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Episode 33: Mark 'The Cobra Snake' Hunter, Photographer · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode thirty three of Hurdle, a podcast that
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Speaker 1: talks to everyone from top CEOs to entrepreneurs about how
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Speaker 1: they got through tough times hurdles of sorts by leading
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Speaker 1: in to wellness.
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Speaker 2: I am Emily a.
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Speaker 1: Body, It's Christmas Eve, I'm surrounded by diff rap on
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Speaker 1: the floor of my apartment, and I am so excited
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Speaker 1: to bring you this week's episode with photographer Mark Hunter,
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Speaker 1: otherwise known as.
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Speaker 2: The Cobra Snake, also described by Vice in twenty.
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Speaker 1: full transparency. Mark's episode has been in the vault for
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Speaker 1: a minute. We linked up over the summer when I
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Speaker 1: was in Los Angeles. We tackled a flybeall class together,
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Speaker 1: since the best rendezvous start with a little bit of sweat,
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Speaker 1: and then sat down and had a chat at his
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Speaker 1: Cobra shop in Hollywood, and our talk was a long
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Speaker 1: time coming too. Mark and I met a couple of
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Speaker 1: years ago at an A six event in Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: and I was so enamored by his whole shick, in
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Speaker 1: his personality and his crazy outfits and of course his story.
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Speaker 2: In his early twenties, Mark was a.
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Speaker 1: Thriving popular photographer, a fixture in the LA and New
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Speaker 1: York party scenes, traveling all over the country and the
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Speaker 1: world with big names like Kings of Leon and good
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Speaker 1: friend Steve Aoki, known for his wacky outfits and great aesthetic.
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Speaker 1: Everything changed, remark when Instagram became a thing. With social media,
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Speaker 1: everyone's a photographer in their own right. Our Hurdle moment
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Speaker 1: without a doubt. Mark knew he needed a pivot if
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Speaker 1: you wanted to stay relevant and continue to build his brand,
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Speaker 1: So he stopped going to so many parties. He began
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Speaker 1: advertising free group hikes at a new Instagram account, Copra
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Speaker 1: Fitness Club, and while now he's making friends and having
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Speaker 1: fun doing it, getting fitter each day in the process.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you Mark's hilarious and he has some
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Speaker 1: epic stories ahead. As always Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, at Hurdle Podcast,
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Speaker 1: I am at Emily Abody. Shoot me an email Emily
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Speaker 1: at hurdle dot us to say hi or share a
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Speaker 1: Hurdle moment of your own. Quick little spoiler, a teaser
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Speaker 1: if you will. Next week's episode of Hurdle is really
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Speaker 1: special to me. It's going to be just me talking
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Speaker 1: about some of the highlights and lessons that I learned
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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, which was also now the first full
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Speaker 1: year of Herdle. Wow, it's crazy to say that. It's
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Speaker 1: crazy to think of all the amazing opportunities I've had
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Speaker 1: this year with the pod and all the outstanding awesome
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Speaker 1: things to come. So I'll see you then. Happy holidays, guys.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to Heeartling. Today, I'm sitting here with Mark
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Speaker 1: the Cobra Snake Hunter in Los Angeles. We're here in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles.
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Speaker 3: Right now, Hollywood.
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Speaker 2: Inside the Cobra Shop.
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Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to like a tray of butterfly clips,
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Speaker 1: which is pretty vintage.
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Speaker 2: And you know, there might be a little more noise.
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Speaker 1: Than the typical podcast, but we're just going to work
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Speaker 1: with it because that's what we do here.
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Speaker 2: So I was so drawn to Mark when.
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Speaker 1: We met a year ago because he started to tell
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Speaker 1: me a story about how he got mega interested in fitness.
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Speaker 1: When I asked Mark how I should describe him for
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Speaker 1: the purposes of this podcast, he told me to say
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Speaker 1: that he's a true millennial renaissance man. I would say
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Speaker 1: that most people would describe you as a photographer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean most people know me as a photographer.
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Speaker 4: But then I was recently coined the hipster Richard Simmons.
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Speaker 4: Because what I do with fitness is I make it fun.
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Speaker 4: We might not have the fastest time, but we're gonna
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Speaker 4: have the best time. I like that, you know, And
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Speaker 4: I think the thing that I do is I can't
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Speaker 4: have one focus. So on one day I'm here in
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Speaker 4: my store in Hollywood, and I'm making sure that's running,
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Speaker 4: and then the next day I'm hiking up a mountain,
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Speaker 4: and the next day I'm on a photo shoot. So
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Speaker 4: I keep myself constantly inspired and busy with many different tasks.
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Speaker 1: I think that's great, though, because people often ask me
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Speaker 1: what the thing is that I like the most about
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Speaker 1: being freelance versus obviously being an editor at a magazine
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Speaker 1: or some sort of brand. And what I love is
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Speaker 1: that none of my days.
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Speaker 4: Are totally I mean, I'm so add that I literally
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Speaker 4: probably will like lose my train of thought on this podcast.
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Speaker 4: The whole thing is, it's just that I was never
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Speaker 4: very conventional growing up, and I don't think I could
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Speaker 4: ever sit at a desk for longer than an hour.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, writing emails is probably the hardest
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Speaker 4: part of my day.
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Speaker 1: So let's backtrack a little bit because I really want to. Also,
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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's important to note that this
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Speaker 1: podcast has probably been a year in the making.
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Speaker 2: I've been like, when are you come into New York?
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Speaker 3: When am I coming to LA You.
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Speaker 4: Got this really fancy microphone where we can record anywhere now,
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Speaker 4: and it's gonna sound amazing.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna sound amazing. So I'm just really am just
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Speaker 1: sit down with you. So why don't you tell me
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Speaker 1: a little bit about your background. I know you grew
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Speaker 1: up in the Santa Monica area.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was born and raised in LA
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Speaker 4: which is kind of crazy. You know, most people move
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Speaker 4: here with big hopes and dreams, but this is kind
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Speaker 4: of where I grew up, and that's really what shaped
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Speaker 4: me into the crazy dude that I am. I was.
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Speaker 4: I was around celebrities at a young age, just being
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Speaker 4: in Hollywood, and when I wanted to start taking photos,
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Speaker 4: it wasn't so much to document celebrities, but it was
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Speaker 4: to document the culture that was here. And it just
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Speaker 4: so happened that I ended up at the best parties
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Speaker 4: at the right time. And this was all around that
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Speaker 4: time of you know, Lindsay Lohan in the club and
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Speaker 4: Para Siltan in the club, and I was in the
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Speaker 4: club and I wasn't the paparazzi. I was getting photos
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Speaker 4: of them like actually having fun before Instagram.
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Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about like how
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Speaker 1: one really gets to be in that position, because it's
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Speaker 1: like when you first picked up a camera where you
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Speaker 1: like I'm pretty good at taking these photos. And also
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Speaker 1: just I feel like an important background mark on Instagram
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Speaker 1: is at the Cobra Snake and if you go there,
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Speaker 1: you'll see that he's got about one hundred thousand followers.
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Speaker 4: And I'm verified, which I'm blessed. You know, that's like,
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Speaker 4: that's like gold in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 3: It is, It's instant gold.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I mean I would say that I
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Speaker 4: was I have a really good positive energy, and I
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Speaker 4: think that goes a long way, especially with photography, because
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Speaker 4: when I was shooting those photos in these parties, I
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Speaker 4: wasn't there trying to make people look bad. I was
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Speaker 4: really glamorizing what was going on and supporting it. And
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Speaker 4: it was pre Instagram, so you didn't have a place
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Speaker 4: to see these photos besides like on my blog. And
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Speaker 4: so people really took to that because somebody said it
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Speaker 4: was like visual popcorn or potato chips. You just couldn't
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Speaker 4: get enough. And that's sort of what Instagram has become.
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Speaker 1: Right, right, And so what were you using to blog
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Speaker 1: at that time?
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Speaker 4: I literally built a website on dream Weaver, which was
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Speaker 4: like a nerdy program, and the whole thing was that
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Speaker 4: I didn't want to rely on anybody else, So like
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Speaker 4: I learned the most basic coding and how to do
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Speaker 4: the layouts on there and did it all myself. And
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Speaker 4: I really owe a lot to Shepherd Ferry, who was
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Speaker 4: my first real boss. He's famous for Obey and the
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Speaker 4: Obama poster and you know, his whole sort of motto
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Speaker 4: and just drive of working around a NonStop was really
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Speaker 4: inspiring for me. And for two years I was his
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Speaker 4: assistant and I learned so much.
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Speaker 3: From him, and it was kind of stuff were you
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Speaker 3: doing for him?
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Speaker 4: I mean everything from literally going out and putting the
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Speaker 4: posters up with him at three in the morning, yeah,
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Speaker 4: traveling and helping him with his art shows, organizing his
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Speaker 4: record collection. You know, I learned so much about culture
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Speaker 4: just from hanging out with him, and that's when I
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Speaker 4: started bringing my camera out and that's when those photos
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Speaker 4: started developing.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, there's like automatic barrier of entry
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Speaker 1: to like, I mean, Instagram makes being a photographer like
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Speaker 1: anyone can be a photographer. I think you and I
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Speaker 1: were talking a little bit about this, but it's to
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Speaker 1: be a like a class photographer. There's a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a barrier and entry because what kind of camera
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Speaker 1: were you using, Like they're not inexpensive.
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Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean at the time, it was all
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Speaker 4: about like having a good SLR that you know you
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Speaker 4: can shoot with. But the whole thing was not only that,
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Speaker 4: it was the consistency. And I posted the photos the
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Speaker 4: same night. Every night, I'd stay up all night and
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Speaker 4: get them on the online so people could see them
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Speaker 4: the next day. And that's what really made me successful
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Speaker 4: because I would go to New York as this like
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Speaker 4: goofy eighteen year old and shoot the hottest club and
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Speaker 4: people like, why are you in here taking photos? Because
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Speaker 4: this again, smartphones didn't exist, so people weren't used to
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Speaker 4: having their photo taken at the parties. And when they
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Speaker 4: saw the photos the next day, they fully understood what
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Speaker 4: I was doing and invited me to ten other parties. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: and so it was this snowball effect. And again pre
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Speaker 4: it was literally text messages and random emails with like
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Speaker 4: magazine editors saying, oh, come shoot this, or there's a
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Speaker 4: launch for some clothing brand I'd never heard of that
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Speaker 4: turned out to be some really buzz thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how were you paying to fly from point A
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Speaker 1: to point B? And when people were saying do you
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Speaker 1: come do this party? Were they like, and we'll pay
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Speaker 1: you x y Z.
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Speaker 4: So in the beginning, I paid to do it. So
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Speaker 4: like if I was into a band, I bought a
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Speaker 4: concert ticket and I snuck my camera and I didn't
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Speaker 4: have access, and I took great photos, literally getting messages
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Speaker 4: from that band saying come shoot our next show and
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Speaker 4: we'll take you backstage, like flipped like instantly, and I
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Speaker 4: literally like the yea yea yeahs when they were first starting,
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Speaker 4: like Kings of Leon, like all these bands, but in
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Speaker 4: their early days. You know, this was when they were
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Speaker 4: playing at the Troubadour, which is like the I don't know,
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Speaker 4: the Bowery.
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Speaker 3: Or something smaller, smaller venues.
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Speaker 4: And I think and then I was just really resourceful.
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Speaker 4: Did I ever stay in a hotel? No. I slept
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Speaker 4: on people's couches, I slept on people's floors. I roughed it.
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Speaker 4: I was punk rock about it because I just believed
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Speaker 4: what I was doing was special and I really wanted
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Speaker 4: to put my my all into it. And did I
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Speaker 4: take a taxi into the city of New York. No,
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Speaker 4: I rode the AirTrain, you know, seven dollars. It was amazing.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how many times I rode that AirTrain
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Speaker 4: back and forth from JFK.
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Speaker 1: I feel like that's like what your parents tell you
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Speaker 1: that you're supposed to do when you're like young and scrappy.
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Speaker 1: They're like, don't take the cab, Like take the subway,
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Speaker 1: do whatever you gotta do, and all the kids are like,
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Speaker 1: I think I know better, Like I'm just gonna hop
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Speaker 1: the cab.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And did I pay for expensive drinks. No. I
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Speaker 4: always got drinks if I wanted drinks from the clubs.
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Speaker 4: Like I was able to be as resourceful as possible.
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Speaker 1: So when you were starting out, when was like the
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Speaker 1: moment that you kind of started to realize that what
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Speaker 1: you were doing was really picking up traction.
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Speaker 4: I would say, you know, I was a good year
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Speaker 4: into doing this with my blog, and I got written
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Speaker 4: up in the New York Times, and I showed that
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Speaker 4: to my parents and they couldn't believe it. I was
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Speaker 4: maybe nineteen at the time, but it was just mind
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Speaker 4: blowing to see, like with about a year under my belt,
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Speaker 4: that I was getting some great notoriety. And then shortly
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Speaker 4: after that it was pre recession, pre two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 4: and people were spending money on stuff. There would be
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Speaker 4: events for the launch of the new T mobile Sidekick,
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Speaker 4: or there would be a party for some vodka brand,
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Speaker 4: and they just had money to spend, and so I
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Speaker 4: was getting paid like a DJ would. I was like
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Speaker 4: a rock star photographer where I had to be at
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Speaker 4: the event, and so there was decent budgets for me,
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Speaker 4: and I said, Wow, I'm actually getting a true value
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Speaker 4: of my work. And at the time, my website had
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Speaker 4: huge reach and so everything sort of just went into
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Speaker 4: a really strong flow, and you know, this snowball effect
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Speaker 4: started happening, and said, oh, you got to have Cob
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Speaker 4: Snake at your event. It's so much fun. These photos
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Speaker 4: will spread through the internet. You know, it was a
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Speaker 4: necessary thing at the time.
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Speaker 1: Did you feel when you started to get to this
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Speaker 1: level that your ego was growing a little bit or
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Speaker 1: did you feel like you were able to keep it
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Speaker 1: in check.
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Speaker 4: I mean I was definitely grounded. I was young for
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Speaker 4: all the success, right, and I was smart about it,
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Speaker 4: so like I didn't blow all the money you know
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Speaker 4: that I made. I ended up buying a house at
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Speaker 4: a young age. I still heavy mortgage, but you know,
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Speaker 4: it was it was certain things that I had a
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Speaker 4: vision board for my future, and I didn't want to.
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Speaker 4: I needed this to last longer than a few years.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's so interesting that you say that you were
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Speaker 1: still willing to be a little bit frugal, because in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, the La Times wrote an article
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Speaker 1: on you, Copra Snake is young, making money and still
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Speaker 1: using coupons.
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Speaker 4: I love a good coupon. You know, a dollar off
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Speaker 4: a box of cereal. You know it adds up if
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Speaker 4: you buy a lot of cereal.
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Speaker 2: If you buy a lot, what's the cereal that you
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Speaker 2: go for?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a huge raisin brand fan. You know,
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Speaker 4: it keeps me regular, and you know, whatever's I kind
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Speaker 4: of go for what's on sale. You know some of
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Speaker 4: this Kashi, I don't know, flax plus or good good
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Speaker 4: varieties in the caschie cereals.
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Speaker 3: And good coupons to buy them with. Yes.
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Speaker 1: At a point around twenty twelve, you are You've you've
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Speaker 1: been everywhere. You've been to Tokyo, You're in New York,
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Speaker 1: you're in Los Angeles, you're in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 4: I had like four passports at that time. I added
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Speaker 4: pages and it got too thick, and they said I
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Speaker 4: hadn't have new passports. I mean, the amount of countries
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Speaker 4: I had been and the things I had seen by
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Speaker 4: the time I was in my late twenties was nuts.
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Speaker 4: And it wasn't so much that I was like partying
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Speaker 4: too much, because I barely would drink because if you
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Speaker 4: if you're doing this professionally, you can't party. Yeah, you're
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Speaker 4: there doing your job. And I was there to take pictures.
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Speaker 4: But just all that travel, not having a consistent schedule,
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Speaker 4: not eating great, you know, it all added up and
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Speaker 4: I never felt like my old self. Yeah, and people
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Speaker 4: noticed that, and I was grum, and like, my best
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Speaker 4: friend Steve Aoki is like, dude, what's wrong with you?
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Speaker 4: Used to be so fun? And I'm like, well, I
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Speaker 4: think I'm a little out of shape now, and I
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Speaker 4: you know, I haven't been taking care of myself like
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Speaker 4: I should.
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Speaker 3: Can we just pause that?
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Speaker 1: You just like casually threw down that your best friend
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Speaker 1: is Steve Aoki.
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Speaker 4: I mean the thing is, it's like we literally have
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Speaker 4: known each other since we were not famous whatsoever. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: he was DJing in small bars in Hollywood and I
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Speaker 4: was taking pictures of him. And I owe a lot
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Speaker 4: to Steve because we traveled around the world together. Many
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Speaker 4: times me documenting him. It grew both of our names
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Speaker 4: at the time.
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Speaker 3: So interesting.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know we're still still close and he's
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Speaker 4: so fit now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is a good transition into kind
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Speaker 1: of what I will effectively call your hurdle moment. You're
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Speaker 1: traveling the world, You've seen all the sights, your passport
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Speaker 1: book is exploding, and you start to observe something that's
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Speaker 1: happening in your industry.
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Speaker 3: So what do you what do you come across?
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Speaker 4: So social media kind of fucked me.
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Speaker 3: Up in twelve. Yeah, okay, when.
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Speaker 4: Instagram launched, I didn't believe in it. I didn't really
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Speaker 4: want to. I love that. I was on my own island.
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Speaker 4: I had the Cobsnake dot com and it was vibrant.
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Speaker 4: You know, there was you know, so many people, uh
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Speaker 4: coming to the website like it was ridiculous. It was
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Speaker 4: like football stadium of people per day. We're seeing it.
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Speaker 3: I love that. I love that measure up.
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Speaker 4: No, and that was the thing. It was like, I
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Speaker 4: was like, whoa, you know, I met Coachella, seeing this
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Speaker 4: many people you know, at this concert, and that's sometimes
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Speaker 4: the traffic I was getting on a day. It was
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Speaker 4: like nuts and then when social media came around, I
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Speaker 4: just didn't jump on it quick enough and I wasn't
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Speaker 4: as needed, you know, to go to a party when
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Speaker 4: everyone can take the photos, and that there's a social
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Speaker 4: influencers with huge each they don't really care about the
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Speaker 4: party photographer as much anymore, right, And so.
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Speaker 1: You kind of started to understand that if you wanted
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Speaker 1: to continue pursuing to do what you love, which was
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Speaker 1: take photos, and you'd have to a probably get a
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Speaker 1: little bit more social and be maybe pivot from the
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Speaker 1: kinds of material that you were capturing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, after ten years of shooting parties,
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Speaker 4: you kind of get tired of it. So I was
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Speaker 4: really excited to pivot and jump over a hurdle and
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Speaker 4: try something new. And the thing when I started Cobra
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Speaker 4: Fitness Club, I knew it wasn't going to be an
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Speaker 4: overnight success. I it took me over ten years to
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Speaker 4: be like the successful photographer that I am, and I'm
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Speaker 4: on that same journey with Cobra Fitness Club now.
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Speaker 1: So tell us, Okay, we just dropped Cobra Fitness Club
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Speaker 1: like a mic like Mike Draft Fitness Club. So why
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Speaker 1: don't you explain to the listeners what Cobra Fitness Club is,
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Speaker 1: and like, how you kind of even concepted that there
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Speaker 1: was a need for something like this.
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Speaker 4: So Fitness Club really stemmed out of my own personal
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Speaker 4: need to be accountable and to get back in shape.
18:08
Speaker 4: It started with me not taking a nap in the
18:10
Speaker 4: afternoon and going on a hike instead. And those were
18:13
Speaker 4: the complete opposite things, you know, from something that is
18:18
Speaker 4: completely lazy and not really great for the rest of
18:22
Speaker 4: your day, to you know, exerting a lot of energy
18:25
Speaker 4: and getting sweaty and climbing in a mountain. And people
18:29
Speaker 4: started seeing that I actually used my Instagram to post
18:33
Speaker 4: primarily hiking photos in the beginning on the Cobra Snake
18:36
Speaker 4: and people are like, you're a photographer, why is it
18:38
Speaker 4: just pictures of you sweating on Runyon And I was like, oh, well,
18:42
Speaker 4: you're right, maybe I should stem and grow a separate
18:46
Speaker 4: Instagram account. And so cob Fitness Club started. People wanted
18:50
Speaker 4: to join what I was doing because it was fun.
18:52
Speaker 4: They saw that, like I was getting epic photos because
18:55
Speaker 4: I knew how to take photos, and the content that
18:59
Speaker 4: I created with a small group of people on Running
19:02
Speaker 4: Canyon made people from all around the world want to
19:04
Speaker 4: hike with me. It was also the thing that I
19:06
Speaker 4: had relationships with people that i'd met traveling, so when
19:10
Speaker 4: they came to LA, They're like, I gotta go hiking
19:12
Speaker 4: with you. So it became the new social hour for me.
19:15
Speaker 3: Well, I met you at an ASEX event.
19:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, I'm sure if you took a stop
19:20
Speaker 1: about five years prior to that, you would have never thought, oh, yeah,
19:25
Speaker 1: I'm going to go hang out with some people from
19:26
Speaker 1: ASEX and we're going to go on a run around
19:28
Speaker 1: Los Angeles.
19:29
Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that I've been supported by so
19:32
Speaker 4: many like legit brands in the fitness space is so nuts.
19:35
Speaker 4: And the thing is that I don't take it seriously
19:38
Speaker 4: and I know my place, like I might never get
19:41
Speaker 4: a six pack, but that's okay. And I'm here to
19:45
Speaker 4: inspire people that don't have like a taste for the
19:49
Speaker 4: traditional things that are out.
19:50
Speaker 1: There, right, And so that's kind of what I really
19:54
Speaker 1: came to appreciate when I asked you to describe what
19:56
Speaker 1: Cobra the Copra fitness club was to me over the phone.
20:00
Speaker 1: You said to me, and I won't be able to
20:03
Speaker 1: say it verbatim, but it was just like, we like
20:06
Speaker 1: to do fitness because it's fun. We don't like need
20:09
Speaker 1: to do fitness and show up and be like the
20:11
Speaker 1: most serious competitive people that there are in the world.
20:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's enough of that, And I think business can
20:17
Speaker 4: be competitive, but fitness doesn't have.
20:19
Speaker 3: To be right, you know.
20:20
Speaker 4: I know how hard it is for me to get
20:23
Speaker 4: these photo jobs now when I'm pitching clients and there's
20:26
Speaker 4: three other people that are all triple bidding it, and
20:29
Speaker 4: it's like really aggressive. So when I approach fitness, I
20:33
Speaker 4: don't want it to have any of that. I want
20:34
Speaker 4: it to be this just free spirited, fun California lifestyle. Yeah,
20:39
Speaker 4: and it doesn't have to Saying it's a California lifestyle
20:42
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it can only be in California. I've had
20:44
Speaker 4: like amazing workout groups in New York and South Korea
20:49
Speaker 4: and pretty much everywhere I go. I try to work
20:52
Speaker 4: out and find like minded people in those cities.
20:54
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast with the CEO of
20:58
Speaker 1: Outdoor Voices the other day, and she was saying that
21:02
Speaker 1: when she started working out and when she started ov
21:07
Speaker 1: the nickname for Outdoor Voices, her goal with the clothes
21:10
Speaker 1: was to make something that didn't make you feel like
21:12
Speaker 1: you needed to be like an Olympic athlete to work out.
21:16
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's like kind of along the
21:17
Speaker 1: same mission statement for you. It's like you just let
21:20
Speaker 1: have to like what you do, like you got to
21:22
Speaker 1: feel good in what you've got going on.
21:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, Ty and I are friends, and
21:26
Speaker 4: I've done some great work with out your voices over
21:29
Speaker 4: the years. It's amazing to see how fast that company's
21:32
Speaker 4: grown and the energy that they're putting out towards fitness.
21:36
Speaker 4: I love that. I think that there's something to say
21:39
Speaker 4: for getting back to sort of that like pe class. Yeah,
21:43
Speaker 4: and I don't know where it all had to become
21:45
Speaker 4: so competitive it is.
21:48
Speaker 3: It feels feel competitive.
21:49
Speaker 1: It feels especially competitive, I guess I would say coming
21:52
Speaker 1: from New York inside like the boutique fitness industry, it's
21:55
Speaker 1: like you are already paying like thirty to forty dollars
21:59
Speaker 1: just to show up somewhere and like give something your all.
22:03
Speaker 1: And if you're going to spend thirty fourty dollars, you
22:05
Speaker 1: might as well be giving it you're all. It's bigger
22:08
Speaker 1: than just like showing up and like looking a certain way.
22:11
Speaker 1: It's like, if you're going to invest in that time, well, man,
22:15
Speaker 1: like you better put in the work.
22:16
Speaker 4: Yes, no, I mean, and that's the thing is you'll
22:19
Speaker 4: you will get results when you put in that effort.
22:22
Speaker 4: And it's not just about working out. You have to
22:25
Speaker 4: eat right and you have to you know, take care
22:27
Speaker 4: of yourself and stretching. I need to stretch more. You
22:31
Speaker 4: don't know how sore I am after working out, and
22:33
Speaker 4: I just forget to stretch and stay hydrated.
22:37
Speaker 1: I remember also, when we were kind of talking about
22:39
Speaker 1: the beginning of this, you said a huge hurdle for
22:43
Speaker 1: you was getting to be comfortable working out in the
22:46
Speaker 1: first place, and for you at times it was really
22:49
Speaker 1: truly challenging.
22:50
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when I referenced run in Canyon, you know,
22:54
Speaker 4: it's an iconic mountain in Hollywood, and you have to
22:59
Speaker 4: climb the mountain, like literally, like you can't stop and
23:03
Speaker 4: turn around. I mean, yeah, you could, but that would
23:05
Speaker 4: kind of be defeating. And so I looked at that
23:08
Speaker 4: mountain top and I'm like, I'm going to get up there.
23:11
Speaker 4: As slow as it is, I'm going to get up there.
23:14
Speaker 4: And day by day I got faster, and you know,
23:18
Speaker 4: I say, don't stop till the top because you're basically
23:22
Speaker 4: any goal you want to set, you have to get
23:24
Speaker 4: to the top. And if it's a mountain, or if
23:26
Speaker 4: it's finishing a project, or if it's getting through school,
23:30
Speaker 4: or if it's building your company, why stop halfway? You know,
23:33
Speaker 4: you really want to accomplish as much as you can.
23:36
Speaker 1: When you started Cobra Fitness Clubs and you had already
23:41
Speaker 1: had so much success as a photographer, was that equally
23:47
Speaker 1: as overwhelming to an extent?
23:49
Speaker 4: So, I mean it was funny because people are like,
23:52
Speaker 4: why are you spending so much time and energy on
23:54
Speaker 4: Cobra Fitness Club. You have a successful photography career and
23:58
Speaker 4: that should be your focus. Also run a store in Hollywood,
24:01
Speaker 4: like you don't need another thing to be busy with.
24:05
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, this is something that's like personally
24:07
Speaker 4: going to make me better and help everything else that
24:10
Speaker 4: I do. And it all sort of is this three
24:12
Speaker 4: sixty because what I do with Cobrafitness Club we involve
24:16
Speaker 4: Cobra shop with and my photography is like the whole
24:19
Speaker 4: reason why Cobrafitness Club exists, right, And so it's this
24:23
Speaker 4: nice vertically integrated sort of pyramid scheme.
24:28
Speaker 3: Where did where did the cobra name come from?
24:32
Speaker 4: When when I was young, I was in traditional photography
24:35
Speaker 4: school and everyone made a website with their own name
24:39
Speaker 4: and photography afterwards. So mine would have been Mark Hunter
24:42
Speaker 4: photography dot com. And I'm like, that sounds so lame
24:46
Speaker 4: and so boring and no offense to anybody that has
24:48
Speaker 4: a blog like that. If you went to Brooks College
24:51
Speaker 4: or some photography school, I guarantee you have a website
24:55
Speaker 4: like that. But I wanted to create something that was
24:58
Speaker 4: more of a brand and didn't have anything to do
25:01
Speaker 4: with photography. The fact that I've been able to stem
25:05
Speaker 4: into so many different sort of aspects of lifestyle is
25:11
Speaker 4: like so fun for me.
25:12
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. So what would you say, is
25:14
Speaker 1: like your favorite way to work out at the moment.
25:17
Speaker 4: I'm a cardio king cardio king, and I love being outside,
25:21
Speaker 4: so you know, even if it's cold, I love being outside.
25:24
Speaker 4: I think the outdoors.
25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's cold in La Man?
25:27
Speaker 4: No? No. But I'm saying like, oh, well, people in
25:29
Speaker 4: New York are like, oh, you can't work out when
25:31
Speaker 4: it's cold. Yeah, you can still go running, And I've
25:34
Speaker 4: I've gone running with I worked out with November project
25:37
Speaker 4: in Boston in the winter. Yeah, and my sweat and
25:41
Speaker 4: breath is like drying on me and freezing, and my
25:45
Speaker 4: nose I've never felt my nose so cold. But it
25:48
Speaker 4: was like an amazing feeling and a crazy workout. So
25:51
Speaker 4: you know, you can use your outdoors to your advantage.
25:54
Speaker 4: And then I also, I'm a some studios might hate
25:58
Speaker 4: me for this, but I'm a believer that fitness should
26:00
Speaker 4: be free, and so you can run anywhere outside and
26:06
Speaker 4: if you have a mountain, you can climb it. And
26:08
Speaker 4: if you want to do some pushups, you can do
26:11
Speaker 4: that anywhere. You know, you don't need a gym. The
26:15
Speaker 4: world is a gym.
26:16
Speaker 1: I find this idea like, if you have a mountain,
26:18
Speaker 1: you can climb it obviously applicable to so much more
26:21
Speaker 1: than fitness. How do you feel now that you've been
26:25
Speaker 1: so integrated into this wellness world that these lessons kind
26:29
Speaker 1: of play back into your career?
26:31
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred percent. I mean the same way I'm
26:34
Speaker 4: talking about climbing a mountain or trying to achieve a goal.
26:38
Speaker 4: I think about running across the Williamsburg Bridge and it's like, again,
26:42
Speaker 4: if I don't go all the way, it doesn't make
26:45
Speaker 4: sense for me. And my grandfather always said, if you
26:47
Speaker 4: hang by your head, you hang by your feet, which
26:49
Speaker 4: I never really understood. But I think it's like just
26:52
Speaker 4: go all the way in. I think that in business
26:55
Speaker 4: you have to. It's a struggle. You're going to have
26:58
Speaker 4: a lot of pain and suffering to accomplish something. And
27:02
Speaker 4: same in fitness. You're transforming your body and it hurts
27:06
Speaker 4: and you're sore the next day and you could be
27:09
Speaker 4: emotionally damaged. And same in business. You're going to have
27:13
Speaker 4: people that don't believe in you. You're going to have
27:15
Speaker 4: people that say you're crazy to think that you're going
27:19
Speaker 4: to be a party photographer. I mean when I first started,
27:22
Speaker 4: I had so many people criticize me for not going
27:24
Speaker 4: to college, for making a website, you know, in two
27:30
Speaker 4: thousand and three, Like it was so funny to hear
27:33
Speaker 4: people's opinions of what I was doing. Also, I had
27:38
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure from family or friends that were
27:40
Speaker 4: going to college, that were, you know, becoming professionals, and
27:44
Speaker 4: here I am, like, without really a true certification or anything,
27:50
Speaker 4: trying to build something. And same with the fitness it's
27:53
Speaker 4: like I really have no authority in fitness right, Like,
27:57
Speaker 4: I'm not a personal trainer, and I don't want to
28:01
Speaker 4: be right, you know, I want to be like this
28:03
Speaker 4: motivator and this inspiration for people.
28:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:05
Speaker 1: I mean, but if you go to corporate Fitness and
28:08
Speaker 1: you look at the page, it's not like you're telling
28:10
Speaker 1: people that they need to do like burpies and like
28:12
Speaker 1: eight eight reps of eight reps, three sets of biceps
28:16
Speaker 1: crawls and yeah whatever. You're just like there to have
28:19
Speaker 1: a good time and like hang out with your friends
28:21
Speaker 1: and be fit exactly.
28:22
Speaker 4: And you know the amount of people that feel alive
28:27
Speaker 4: when they come on my workouts, like that's that's what
28:29
Speaker 4: I love seeing. You know. If we go hiking in
28:32
Speaker 4: the Santa Monica Mountains, we hop in the ocean right after, Yeah,
28:36
Speaker 4: and that feeling is like unreal. And so many people
28:40
Speaker 4: will come back and text me saying, that was the
28:42
Speaker 4: most memorable day I've had in a long time. Because
28:46
Speaker 4: people are on their phone all day and they're sitting
28:47
Speaker 4: in an office and they don't even get outside as
28:50
Speaker 4: much as they should. Yeah, And to feel that sun
28:52
Speaker 4: on you and to get sweaty, yeah, and then to
28:55
Speaker 4: feel that salt water when you plunge into the ice
28:58
Speaker 4: cold Pacific, like it's unreal.
29:01
Speaker 3: I love like how grounded you are.
29:02
Speaker 1: I also feel like it's so important to point out
29:06
Speaker 1: that Mark is currently wearing like a half buttoned Hawaiian shirt.
29:12
Speaker 4: It's like I'm always on vacation.
29:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like kind of how I feel sitting with
29:16
Speaker 1: you here. In twenty fifteen, you spoke to Vice for
29:20
Speaker 1: an article. I'm going to pull up a quote here.
29:22
Speaker 1: I think I was always a hipster, even before hipsters
29:25
Speaker 1: were a thing. I've always worn weird clothes that I've
29:28
Speaker 1: bought from the thrift store. I was voted most unique
29:31
Speaker 1: in my high school. I think hipster has become so
29:33
Speaker 1: mainstream that it makes it difficult to tell who the
29:36
Speaker 1: weirdos are. Before you could find somebody based on how
29:40
Speaker 1: they were dressed and know they would know about the
29:42
Speaker 1: Pixies or Radiohead or whatever. But now you could talk
29:46
Speaker 1: to a guy wearing skinny jeans, he might not even
29:49
Speaker 1: be able to name a Radiohead song. The style has
29:52
Speaker 1: transcended the culture.
29:54
Speaker 4: I mean, it's true. One thing I love about hiking
29:58
Speaker 4: and fitness is you could say you're a fit, but
30:01
Speaker 4: can you climb a mountain? And that should be part
30:03
Speaker 4: of your fitness regime, not saying you have to do
30:06
Speaker 4: it fast, but can you do it? And so there's
30:09
Speaker 4: you know a lot of people that look at me
30:12
Speaker 4: and my physique and they're like, oh, you know, you're
30:15
Speaker 4: not that fit, and then I'll beat them up the mountain,
30:18
Speaker 4: you know, not that that's I'm not trying to be competitive.
30:20
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to make a point there. But in
30:23
Speaker 4: terms of this culture, it's been like so appropriated now
30:28
Speaker 4: where nothing is that original, and you have so much
30:32
Speaker 4: inspiration from social media where I don't know, I don't
30:36
Speaker 4: know where that's going to take us in the future.
30:40
Speaker 1: Where do you feel like you want to go in
30:43
Speaker 1: the future, Like do you want to keep focusing on
30:46
Speaker 1: this on the cover snake Fit to go to Mars?
30:49
Speaker 1: I mean you and everybody else?
30:50
Speaker 4: Man? No, I mean I think that I'm a good
30:54
Speaker 4: few years into building Cobra Fitness Club. The sky's the limit.
31:00
Speaker 4: I've been so lucky to you know, have just crazy opportunities,
31:05
Speaker 4: you know, come day by day and I don't know
31:08
Speaker 4: what could be happening in the future. People joke and
31:11
Speaker 4: they're saying, oh, like let's open a bunch of gyms.
31:14
Speaker 4: You know and have these really like retro gyms all around,
31:19
Speaker 4: you know, and be the next like Equinox, but not Equinox,
31:23
Speaker 4: you know, not even you know, I could have a
31:26
Speaker 4: sports drink. I could I could literally have anything. I
31:28
Speaker 4: could have a whole line of protein. Right, There's so
31:32
Speaker 4: much that I can do, you know. I make just
31:34
Speaker 4: basic T shirts and I could have you know, I
31:38
Speaker 4: want everything.
31:40
Speaker 3: Is it vegan protein?
31:41
Speaker 4: Of course you're talking to some of that grew up
31:45
Speaker 4: in La.
31:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is like vegan and comes with the side
31:48
Speaker 1: of crystals. Yes, I mean, I love how ambitious you are.
31:51
Speaker 1: Looking back on your career. What do you think has
31:54
Speaker 1: been one of the most excellent pieces of advice that
31:57
Speaker 1: you've been given.
31:58
Speaker 4: What I think is funny is that I give good
32:01
Speaker 4: advice to a lot of other people. Yeah, because I've
32:04
Speaker 4: built my own brand and I know a lot of
32:07
Speaker 4: ins and outs of all this sort of world, and
32:12
Speaker 4: I tell everybody great advice. But I don't take that
32:15
Speaker 4: advice for myself in what way where I'll tell somebody, oh,
32:19
Speaker 4: this is how you should run your business. Or I
32:21
Speaker 4: can look at somebody else's project and give them great ideas,
32:26
Speaker 4: but then I don't actually activate those same thoughts for
32:30
Speaker 4: my own ideas. Okay, in a general way, how to
32:33
Speaker 4: say that better, But it's I don't have a specific example,
32:36
Speaker 4: but it would just be like I can tell somebody
32:39
Speaker 4: else xyz, but I'm not listening to myself for x
32:42
Speaker 4: y Z, and it's like I need to listen to
32:45
Speaker 4: myself more.
32:45
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the first step is recognizing that, Yeah,
32:48
Speaker 1: I'm interested. I feel like you and Steve don't chat
32:52
Speaker 1: business ever, all putting games.
32:55
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and you.
32:56
Speaker 1: Reference this before, which is why I think it's actually
32:58
Speaker 1: so dope, because Steve is huge into fitness and wellness.
33:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean Aoki's drive and if you haven't
33:06
Speaker 4: watched his I'll sleep till I'm dead or I'll sleep
33:09
Speaker 4: when I'm dead documentary on Netflix. You have to People
33:13
Speaker 4: might knock him for x y Z, but no, you can't.
33:16
Speaker 4: He works harder than anybody I know, and he deserves
33:20
Speaker 4: all that success. But it is a crazy drive, and
33:24
Speaker 4: it makes sense that he's as successful as he is. Yeah,
33:27
Speaker 4: he launched a pizza Aoki recently where you can get
33:31
Speaker 4: pizza delivered branded by him.
33:35
Speaker 3: Oh that's normal.
33:36
Speaker 2: It's not like justin La or something.
33:38
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's it's via Postmates.
33:41
Speaker 1: It's like how everything else that's cool shows up at
33:44
Speaker 1: your door in a major city.
33:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay cool. So do you have a book that
33:49
Speaker 3: you like to give other people?
33:51
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have two books that I love. Outliers by
33:55
Speaker 4: Malcolm Gladwell. I know that's like probably pretty obvious, but
33:59
Speaker 4: if you haven't read it, you must, and then the
34:02
Speaker 4: Art of Tidying by Condo.
34:04
Speaker 3: Or Art of Tidying Up.
34:06
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that I need to listen to her more.
34:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, have a lot of stuff.
34:11
Speaker 1: I need to listen to her more too. Man, when
34:13
Speaker 1: you think about the things that make you the happiest,
34:18
Speaker 1: would you say that right now in your career you
34:20
Speaker 1: are integrating those enough.
34:23
Speaker 4: Definitely not. One of the things that has been sort
34:26
Speaker 4: of a dark cloud for me is that I haven't
34:29
Speaker 4: ever published a book of my work. And I have
34:33
Speaker 4: the most insane, ripe archive of photos from the two
34:36
Speaker 4: thousands that's definitely deserving of a book. Every single celebrity
34:40
Speaker 4: when they were younger, you know, every single band, every
34:44
Speaker 4: fashion designer, you know, the culture of the two thousands
34:48
Speaker 4: should be represented through my work. And I've just like
34:52
Speaker 4: had some dumb mental block about getting it done. Yeah,
34:56
Speaker 4: and it's I don't know, I need to do it.
34:58
Speaker 1: Maybe someone's going to listen to this podcast and reach.
35:00
Speaker 3: Out to you about it. Please help me about publishing
35:03
Speaker 3: your book.
35:03
Speaker 1: Do you think, looking back in your career, if you
35:06
Speaker 1: could name someone that made you truly starstruck, who that
35:10
Speaker 1: would be.
35:12
Speaker 4: I was really never that impressed by any celebrities.
35:16
Speaker 3: That's so interesting to me, just.
35:19
Speaker 4: Because it was so commonplace.
35:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom was.
35:25
Speaker 4: She's retired now, but she was a dental hygienist in
35:28
Speaker 4: the most wild office in Central City And I would
35:32
Speaker 4: be in there doing my homework after school and it's
35:34
Speaker 4: Mark Wahlberg getting his teeth cleaned, where it's Tom Cruise
35:37
Speaker 4: and they're talking to me and they're just normal people,
35:39
Speaker 4: you know. So I was never really like blown away
35:42
Speaker 4: by celebrity culture.
35:44
Speaker 3: But no one, no gig you got that. You were like, Wow,
35:49
Speaker 3: I'm like the worst at those favorite type things. I'm
35:52
Speaker 3: not mad at you for it.
35:53
Speaker 1: I think it just shows that you're pretty humble.
35:56
Speaker 4: Also, like I just I'm just to being humble. I'm
36:01
Speaker 4: so lucky and blessed that I've been able to do this. Yeah,
36:04
Speaker 4: I haven't. I feel like I haven't had a real
36:06
Speaker 4: job my whole life.
36:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do what I love.
36:09
Speaker 4: Every day and that's what motivates me. It's like, I
36:13
Speaker 4: know that this is a special position that I have,
36:16
Speaker 4: and if I don't put my all into this, I
36:19
Speaker 4: might not be able to do this forever. Yeah, and
36:22
Speaker 4: I don't really want to work at Starbucks. I do
36:24
Speaker 4: love drinking Starbucks. And I'm so happy they're not gonna
36:28
Speaker 4: have straws in a couple of years. It's like very
36:32
Speaker 4: eco friendly of them.
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Speaker 2: You're like, and that's just my position on this particular issue.
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Speaker 1: You now, in twenty eighteen, have the opportunity to give
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Speaker 1: some advice to the guy that dropped out of community
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Speaker 1: college and is about to embark on this crazy journey
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Speaker 1: as a photographer. What is a piece of advice that
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Speaker 1: you give to him.
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Speaker 4: It's a piece of advice that my agent gave me.
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Speaker 4: You have to treat it like a nine to five job.
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Speaker 4: Every day you have to work towards your goal. If
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Speaker 4: you're not on a photo shoot, you should be organizing
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Speaker 4: your portfolio and contacting potential clients and setting up test shoots.
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Speaker 4: You have to be spending literally eight hours every day
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Speaker 4: working on your craft, whether it's photography, whether it's fashion,
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Speaker 4: whatever it may be. You can't just do it for
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Speaker 4: a couple hours here and there.
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Speaker 1: You have to be in it right and a piece
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Speaker 1: of advice you'd give the Mark that was starting out
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Speaker 1: trying to hike that meltain at the beginning.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I just wish that I wasn't so dependent
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Speaker 4: on sugar, and I wish that somebody had been, like,
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Speaker 4: stop eating like bags and bags of sour patch kids,
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Speaker 4: because it just like made me. It was on my
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Speaker 4: rider when I was traveling, that I would have a
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Speaker 4: bag of sour Patch kids in Swedish fish at every
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Speaker 4: gig that I went to.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever sat down with someone
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Speaker 1: who told me about what was in their writer or like,
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Speaker 1: I've sat down with very few people that I.
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Speaker 4: Can't even believe I had a writer writer. It was funny,
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Speaker 4: and it also included like double A batteries for my
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Speaker 4: camera flash Smart, which now the other thing for photography.
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Speaker 4: Get rechargeable batteries. They work amazing and you'd never have
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Speaker 4: to buy batteries again. I wish that I just would
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Speaker 4: take care of I could have taken care of myself
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Speaker 4: better in my twenties. Yeah, and you know, people don't know.
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Speaker 4: People see me and they're like, I'll say I'm thirty three,
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Speaker 4: and they're like, you're thirty three.
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Speaker 3: In a good way or in a bad way. Oh,
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Speaker 3: I think you look great.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I mean
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Speaker 4: I think it's fine. Yeah, I'm all natural if that counts.
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Speaker 2: Mark, thanks for sitting down with me.
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Speaker 4: Thank you. This was dope.
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Speaker 2: We all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to
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Speaker 2: hear about yours.
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Speaker 2: Mark where do they find you?
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Speaker 4: You can find me on Instagram at Thecobrasnake dot com.
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Speaker 4: Send me dms, I replied to pretty much everyone. I
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Speaker 4: love that and I'll if you have a question, I'll
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Speaker 4: get right back to you.
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Speaker 3: And he probably wants you to come hiking with him.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and please if you're ever in town in Hollywood,
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Speaker 4: please hit me up. And you can also see a
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Speaker 4: list of events on the cobrasnake dot com and they're
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Speaker 4: all open to everybody.
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Speaker 3: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Mark, Thanks again, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.