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Rich Kid Mows Down 4 Pepperdine Sorority Sisters, Demands Lower Bond · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: And out of control luxury BMW driver accused of mowing
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  Speaker 2: down four beautiful Pepperdine University co eds, goes to court
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  Speaker 2: and with a straightcase, demands a bond reduction so he,
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  Speaker 2: the BMW driver, can use the extra money to hire
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  Speaker 2: the high profile lawyer that represented Karen Reid. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. This guy, Fraser Baumb and Attorney Alan Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: We're just in court demanding a reduction in bond. Now
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  Speaker 2: the lawyer he wants to hire, an LA lawyer has
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  Speaker 2: defended Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, most recently Karen Reid, and
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to get Baum's bail redeased from four million
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  Speaker 2: to ten million. Now why would the driver have a
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  Speaker 2: four million dollar bond?
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 3: Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties
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  Speaker 3: with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,
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  Speaker 3: but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon
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  Speaker 3: became a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel,
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  Speaker 2: are two dear friends of the victims.
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  Speaker 1: But first listen to this, these four females.
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  Speaker 4: Are pronounced dead.
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  Speaker 5: I see Fi Alpha Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's
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  Speaker 5: party and are waiting outside when a red BMW speeding
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  Speaker 5: down the PCH going at least one hundred miles per hour,
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  Speaker 5: suddenly swears from the road and slams into parked cars.
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  Speaker 5: Partygoers scream as the parked cars are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha,
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  Speaker 5: and Deslin, while by standers call nine to one one
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  Speaker 5: and attend to two others injured in the crash. The
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  Speaker 5: BMW's driver gets out, stumbling away from the mangled cars.
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  Speaker 2: So don't bother telling me he was too out of
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  Speaker 2: it or injured to know what he is doing under
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  Speaker 2: the law that is called flight. I'm sure veteran trial
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  Speaker 2: lawyer Brian Klaypool will argue with me about that. What
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  Speaker 2: you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.
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  Speaker 2: Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,
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  Speaker 2: standing there minding their own business, are mowed down at
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  Speaker 2: speeds up one hundred and four mph in a residential area.
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  Speaker 2: Now will a rich brat manage to escape justice? Having
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  Speaker 2: just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen Reid
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  Speaker 2: get an acquittal again with me in All Star panel.
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  Speaker 2: But first I want to go to two very special guests.
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  Speaker 2: Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,
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  Speaker 2: and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the
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  Speaker 2: crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call
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  Speaker 2: it an accident because when you put your foot to
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  Speaker 2: the pedal and exceed one hundred and four mph, that's
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  Speaker 2: no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know, Coco,
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  Speaker 2: about the night of the deadly crash.
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  Speaker 1: It stole your friends from you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,
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  Speaker 7: don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think
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  Speaker 7: it was Ash's car.
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  Speaker 6: So I immediately drove down there.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, to have no family, all their families
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  Speaker 7: out out of state, you know, they need someone in.
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  Speaker 7: Bridget met me at Bridge, met at the scene or
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  Speaker 7: as close as and as we could get. But we
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  Speaker 7: just sat on the curb all night, not really knowing
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  Speaker 7: what was going on. But then you know, news broken
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  Speaker 7: once we hadn't heard from them for a couple hours
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  Speaker 7: because we were always in contact with our friends.
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  Speaker 6: We knew that something was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just imagining U, Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to tell you, I've been to so many
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  Speaker 2: crime scenes and seeing family and loved ones and best
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  Speaker 2: friends like you literally sitting on a curb because there's
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  Speaker 2: nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you just
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  Speaker 2: sit there, kind of suspended in time and space, just waiting.
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  Speaker 2: It's like everything comes to a standstill. Everything seems to
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  Speaker 2: stop and you're just waiting, waiting to hear something, to
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  Speaker 2: know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also with
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  Speaker 2: US roommate and bestie of the crash victims. Bridget, what
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  Speaker 2: do you recall about that night?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah? For me, I actually was supposed to be with
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  Speaker 8: them that night. I had cheer practice that night and
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  Speaker 8: it ended running a little late, so I texted them
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  Speaker 8: and let them know that I'll just meet them there.
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  Speaker 8: And as I was on my way, I got a
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  Speaker 8: call as well, and it was kind of the same
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  Speaker 8: along the same lines as Coco, and just thought there
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  Speaker 8: was an accident and the girls aren't answering. I tried
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  Speaker 8: calling all of them, but none of them answered, and
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  Speaker 8: like Coco said, I went over to the scene and
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  Speaker 8: tried to do whatever I could, but at that point
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  Speaker 8: it was just such a helpless.
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  Speaker 1: Feeling, Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did
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  Speaker 1: you observe, Well, we.
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  Speaker 8: Couldn't get passed, like the police officer that was blocking
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  Speaker 8: us off, So really it was just a bunch of
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  Speaker 8: stopped calls and a police officer standing there, and then
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  Speaker 8: in the distance we saw a bunch of sirens ambulances,
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  Speaker 8: but nothing other than that.
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  Speaker 1: Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened?
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  Speaker 8: Not directly. There was things coming out in the news
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  Speaker 8: because there was quite a bit of news coverage on it,
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  Speaker 8: and that's kind of how we found out our information.
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  Speaker 8: We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we
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  Speaker 8: were praying that hopefully we only lost two of our
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  Speaker 8: friends with that math, but unfortunately that just wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 1: Bridget.
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  Speaker 2: Did you try and question the police or try and
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  Speaker 2: ask anyone any questions?
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  Speaker 8: We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really
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  Speaker 8: information that they could give us.
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  Speaker 1: What did you do, who did you try to speak to?
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  Speaker 1: What time of the night was this?
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  Speaker 8: The crash occurred at eight thirty pm, so we were
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  Speaker 8: trying to speak to just the police officers standing, you know,
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  Speaker 8: blocking off the scene, and then we were calling hospitals
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  Speaker 8: all night trying to see if we could locate them anywhere,
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  Speaker 8: because at this point we didn't know that they had
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  Speaker 8: died at the scene and a hospital just wasn't necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson. Coco,
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  Speaker 2: were you there sitting on the curb waiting for answers
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  Speaker 2: as well?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so Bridget and I'm happy to get there around
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  Speaker 7: the same time, and we both were pleading to the
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  Speaker 7: officer to let us through, to give us any insight
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  Speaker 7: on what was going on, and we're like, we know,
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  Speaker 7: those are our friends in the scene. We can track them.
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  Speaker 7: We see they're not quite at the party, and yeah,
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  Speaker 7: like Bridget said, they couldn't really give us any answers.
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  Speaker 7: So we just sat there for hours, you know, calling
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  Speaker 7: hospitals and asking if.
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  Speaker 6: They had our friends tracking them, and probably, I.
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  Speaker 7: Mean, like Bridget said, I don't know if I even
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  Speaker 7: fully remember a time, but I think it was around
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  Speaker 7: one pm or one am. And then we went back
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  Speaker 7: to Pepperdine's campus up until you know, six am the
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  Speaker 7: next morning when more information was released.
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  Speaker 1: Who told the girls parents?
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  Speaker 7: Originally the school was the one to break it to them,
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  Speaker 7: but the parents. I mean, you know, mothers know when
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  Speaker 7: something's wrong, and so a lot of the parents were
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  Speaker 7: also calling and just saying, hey, you know what's going on?
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  Speaker 7: Where's my do you know where my daughter is?
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  Speaker 6: Whatever?
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  Speaker 7: But the court it took a while for the coroner
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  Speaker 7: to confirm what had happened, so well, couldn't officially, you know,
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  Speaker 7: tell the parents right away because we had to wait
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  Speaker 7: for the officials to confirm it.
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  Speaker 2: Bridget, When did you first say or speak with the
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  Speaker 2: girl's parents.
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  Speaker 8: I was in touch with some of them over the
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  Speaker 8: phone the next day. So early in the morning on
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  Speaker 8: October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said,
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  Speaker 8: Nieves parents are downstairs. They want to talk to you.
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  Speaker 8: And I just broke down because that was like a
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  Speaker 8: realization to me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and
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  Speaker 2: trying to speak to the parents. And the parents were
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  Speaker 2: there in the apartment, the place that you guys shared.
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  Speaker 8: No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went
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  Speaker 8: back to that apartment. I briefly said bye, but they
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  Speaker 8: had us in a hotel room on campus. When you
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  Speaker 8: first saw the parents what happened, it was hard. They
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  Speaker 8: were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear of
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  Speaker 8: what had happened exactly. So I tried to give them
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  Speaker 8: all the information that I knew, but it was a
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  Speaker 8: situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was really
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  Speaker 8: really heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: Coca, what do you recall?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I, like Bridget said, remember the parents coming up.
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  Speaker 6: They came so fast.
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  Speaker 7: And I remember when Ash's parents came, because they had
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  Speaker 7: flew from the East Coast, and there was just so
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  Speaker 7: much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And I
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  Speaker 7: just remember walking outside the hotel and meeting her in
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  Speaker 7: the parking lot and we just held each other and cried,
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  Speaker 7: and I remember seeing her brothers and there was just.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of tears shed.
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  Speaker 7: And eventually we got to kind of all sit in
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  Speaker 7: a room together with you know, all the parents and
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  Speaker 7: Bridget and I and some of our close friends as well,
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  Speaker 7: and we tried to just you know, tell their parents
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  Speaker 7: all amazing memories that we've had with them at school
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  Speaker 7: and how wonderful they are, and just share you know
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  Speaker 7: more about the how Malibu was a happy place for them.
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  Speaker 2: It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance
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  Speaker 2: was merged. When you're trying to in those first hours
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  Speaker 2: and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows
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  Speaker 2: it's real, but the rest of you doesn't know it's real,
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  Speaker 2: And you're like remembering events together, things you did together.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's some sort of comfort or
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  Speaker 2: solace to your mind as you try to absorb what
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  Speaker 2: has happened. Bridget You stated you did not go back
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  Speaker 2: to the apartment.
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  Speaker 8: Why Oh, I just couldn't. I mean, when I left there,
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  Speaker 8: I could still picture them right now. They were all
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  Speaker 8: sitting on the couch. We were laughing, giggling. I told
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  Speaker 8: them I would see them after cheer practice, and we
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  Speaker 8: had so many amazing memories in that apartment. We, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going
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  Speaker 8: back without them. It was and when I did, just
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  Speaker 8: because I felt like I needed that for my closure.
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  Speaker 8: When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that
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  Speaker 8: they were meant to come back. It was clear they
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  Speaker 8: had their pajamas set all on their bed, their lights
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  Speaker 8: still on they were they were meant to come back.
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  Speaker 8: I just it was truly heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 2: Then I you are at the crash saying girls did
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  Speaker 2: eat see the descendant, No, we did not.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the last days, the California judge comes to his
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  Speaker 2: senses and refuses.
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  Speaker 1: To lower bail for the quote.
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  Speaker 2: Out of control BMW driver accused of mowing down four
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  Speaker 2: Pepperdine co eds, mowing them down dead.
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  Speaker 1: The judge said it's not the court's.
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  Speaker 2: Job to help the defendant pay for a high profile lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: the same lawyer who recently got Karen Reid acquitted in
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  Speaker 2: a shock verdict. The driver, Fraser Baum, twenty three, is
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  Speaker 2: facing murder and vehicular manslaughter charges for allegedly plowing into
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  Speaker 2: four sorority sisters.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Crime story is investigative reporter Dave Mack Who who is
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  Speaker 2: the defendant.
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  Speaker 9: His name is Fraser Bohm. He is a twenty three
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  Speaker 9: year old rich kid growing up in privilege in Malibu
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  Speaker 9: and an eight pointy seven million dollar seaside mansion. He
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  Speaker 9: was driving his eighteenth birthday president of BMW and he
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  Speaker 9: is a former athlete, was a pitcher in high school
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  Speaker 9: and pretty privileged young man, anthy, why.
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  Speaker 2: Do you say that, I'm looking at a pature of
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  Speaker 2: him and apparently a shirtless selfie.
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  Speaker 1: Can we circle back to that place?
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  Speaker 2: And he's got rings on every finger, he's dripping in
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  Speaker 2: silver jewelry.
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  Speaker 1: What did you say about a seven million.
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  Speaker 9: Dollar what an eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion
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  Speaker 9: with a view of the Pacific Ocean a beautiful view
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  Speaker 9: of the Pacific Ocean actually, and by the way, also
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  Speaker 9: a seven hundred one thousand dollars vacation place out near
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  Speaker 9: Palm Springs.
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  Speaker 10: In this particular incident, we lost four young people with
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  Speaker 10: a complete life ahead of them for really no reason
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  Speaker 10: other than complete and reckless this regard for the life
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  Speaker 10: of others. So Neam Rolston, Peyton Store, Dissline Williams and
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  Speaker 10: Asha Ware were seniors at Pepperdine and they were mining
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  Speaker 10: their own business, just being in the neighborhood where their
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  Speaker 10: school his, and they lost their life unnecessarily.
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  Speaker 11: Between two and a half to four and a half seconds.
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  Speaker 12: Prior to the provision, the defendancy vehicle was at sheet
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  Speaker 12: of one hundred and.
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  Speaker 2: Four miles an hour KTLA five loved by all who
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  Speaker 2: knew the four young women were more than best friends.
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  Speaker 3: They were sisters, bonded through Pepperdine's alpha feet. While they
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  Speaker 3: were planning a glamorous night out, one young Malibu man
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  Speaker 3: would change the course of their night.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed
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  Speaker 2: down dead by a BMW traveling at rates of that
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  Speaker 2: we know of one hundred and four mph. They're standing
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  Speaker 2: on the side of the road. They are not in
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  Speaker 2: the road waiting to enter a college party.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're dead.
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  Speaker 2: Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls.
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  Speaker 1: They're gone.
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  Speaker 2: Name Peyton, Asha, Desert gone tonight. We're analyzing why. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, gone, Let me say it correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Why they're dead. They're dead, and don't you know their
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  Speaker 2: parents are wondering the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: You just met two of their best friends that they
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  Speaker 1: lived with.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been them too. It didn't matter who
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  Speaker 2: was standing there. It didn't matter how young or innocent,
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  Speaker 2: or vivationous, or how scrubbed and sunshine they were.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: To the defendant, who was driving his brand new BMW
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  Speaker 2: given to him by Mommy and Daddy at.
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  Speaker 1: Least one hundred and four mph.
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  Speaker 10: On October seventeenth, had a round a thirty pm. Mister
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  Speaker 10: Bond was allegedly speeding up speeding at a spece of
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  Speaker 10: one hundred and four miles an hour on a forty
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  Speaker 10: five mile an hour zone on PCH when he lost control.
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  Speaker 10: He allegedly crashed into a park car before crashing into
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  Speaker 10: four pedestrians standing together on the side of the roadway.
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  Speaker 10: All the young women die of the scene.
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  Speaker 1: To top it all off, it's a fixed object.
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  Speaker 2: Out of everywhere you could drive your car, you plow
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  Speaker 2: into a fixed object and then into four young girls.
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  Speaker 1: And listen to.
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  Speaker 5: This party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle the mail driver
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  Speaker 5: to the ground and hold him there until police arrive.
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  Speaker 8: I just saw some people taking him out of the
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  Speaker 8: car and holding him down on the curb and everything else,
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  Speaker 8: and he was just yelling and screaming.
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  Speaker 2: From my friends at KTLA five joining me. Veteran trial lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney Brian Claypool, Managing partner Claypool Law Firm, author
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  Speaker 2: of Break the Code of Silence, Raising My Voice to
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  Speaker 2: Protect our kids, Brian Claypool.
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  Speaker 1: He tried to get away. That's called flight.
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  Speaker 2: Under the law, so don't tell me he was out
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  Speaker 2: of his mind, or he was depressed, or.
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  Speaker 1: He hit his head.
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  Speaker 2: He tried to get away, Brian, that's damning under the law.
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  Speaker 1: The guys had to tackle him and drag him back.
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  Speaker 11: Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, we all have kids, but we can't measure
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  Speaker 13: how a young man is going to react to a
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  Speaker 13: traumatic situation. It's not like he hopped in a buddy's
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  Speaker 13: car and was driving to the to the Mexican border.
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  Speaker 1: Are you making that Why are you making that up?
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he hopped in a buddy's car. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: he would have, but he didn't have a buddy's car there.
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  Speaker 2: So he did all he could do, and he took
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  Speaker 2: the turner Pata Street and turned the corner.
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  Speaker 1: He tried to run.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Claypool, that that is evidence of guilt.
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  Speaker 2: Flight is evidence of guilt when you try to get
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  Speaker 2: away from the crime scene as fast as you can.
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  Speaker 13: Right, No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan
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  Speaker 13: Jackson has a tough case ahead too. It's not just
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  Speaker 13: because he won the Karen Reid trial. Remember in that
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  Speaker 13: case there you couldn't even establish the manner of death
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  Speaker 13: in that.
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  Speaker 2: Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy
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  Speaker 2: trying to get away from the scene. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about. So let me try to get the car
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  Speaker 2: back in.
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  Speaker 1: The middle of the road.
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  Speaker 2: Cay do you address him trying to leave the scene
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  Speaker 2: and I haven't even gotten to the crash yet.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't
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  Speaker 11: matter how rich this kid is.
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  Speaker 13: Every defendant in a criminal case is entitled to a defense,
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  Speaker 13: whether we'd like that or not. So what he's likely
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  Speaker 13: going to argue in the defense of Boem is the following.
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  Speaker 13: Was there a potential malfunction in his car? They're going
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  Speaker 13: to expect examine the car. How did he go from.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just caved up my hot tea.
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  Speaker 2: A malfunction in the car, like lead foot, like his
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  Speaker 2: foot on the pedal?
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  Speaker 1: What possible?
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  Speaker 2: Now you know what, I'm glad you said that because
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  Speaker 2: I happened to have an accident reconstruction with me, a renowned.
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  Speaker 1: One, which I'm going to follow up with what you're saying.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But I like that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, spend me some more gold. Rumpel stilts can accident, malfunction.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, I can't write fast enough.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: he was involved in a road raid road rage incident.
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: if there was a road.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Rage, let me make sure I understand what you're talking about.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: was chasing him that nobody's been able to find on
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: any of the road camp that car.
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: They're going to have to look really hard, really hard.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It may take a little let me just say, creative
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: editing to find that mystery car that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: He's claiming, something.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Along the lines of he cut somebody off because he
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was texting and the guy got mad at him, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: so he boom ran away as fast as he could
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: so he wouldn't be injured, and then crashed and killed
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the four girls.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: That's one of his arguments. On other arnament I.
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: Think to look one of his other arguments. My job
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: is to tell you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: What a defense way hold on Dave mac joining me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I want to follow up on everything.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Claypool is saying, because well, I don't buy any of it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: It could be a defense that they try to raise
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a trial, and the best thing the prosecution can do
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: is be ready for that defense and be prepared to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: shoot it down when it Here's it, sugly head. Dave
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Mack tell me about the mystery road rage incident.
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: Malibu for over thirty five years. He's driving his twenty
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: sixteen GMC twenty five hundred pickup truck in close prescimity
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: to Fraser Bomb Boom, and he says that Bomb was
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: speeding and driving in and out of traffic, and they
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: actually caught up to one another right at Sunset Boulevard
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: towards Tipanga, and that's when Calandra said, he's trying to
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: get Boum's attention at the light to tell him to
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: slow down, and Bohm never acknowledges him, and when the
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: light turns green, Bomb accelerate with extreme I think is
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: the term, with extreme acceleration up the road. Calandra couldn't
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: was not. He was right there at the light with him,
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: but did not keep up with him. As Bom takes
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: off and it seconds later when the accident happens, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: it is Calandra who actually was yelling bomb at the
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: crash then, and that's who they're claiming was actually road
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: rage when in fact he was telling him to slow down.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You know, there's going to be footage of that, Dave, Mac,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: What stretch of the road was the alleged road rage incident.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Where now we're learning from the other driver.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He was trying to motion to boom to slow the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: hay down. But what stretch of the road was this.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: Well, we're dealing with, you know stretch of the PCH
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: that is called dead Man's Curve, which is actually a
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: long stretch there, but it's an area of PCH that
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: is just beyond Sunset Boulevard toward Tipanga and the erratic
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: vehicle in this case being driven by Bomb was at
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: the Las Flores Canyon stoplight. That's where they caught up.
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: So it's a very short area where they actually caught
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: up at the light where calandrac You know.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: What you just used off.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: You just made me so happy, Mac, which typically does
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: not happen in a case like this, but you just
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: made me so happy because to Joseph Tremblay joining me
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Senior forensic Engineer Accident Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering. Tremblay,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that was the music to my ears because I heard
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: PCH Pacific Coast Highway and we all know it is
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: dripping in traffic cams.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I heard dead Man's Curve, which, as.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I recall, has signs posted the curvy nature like beware
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: on dead Man's Curve, and also the speed limit there
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: is greatly greatly reduced because of the curves. Also, I
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: heard Dave Mack from Crime Stories state the intersection at
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Los Florides Canyon stoplight.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I bet you they have a traffic cam as well.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm hoping they do.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Because this could corroborate the witnesses story, it could corroborate
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the defendant, but I don't think it is. What does
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: all this mean to you, Tremblay.
• 26:15
  Speaker 14: When I look into a case like this, I start
• 26:18
  Speaker 14: with the evidence of the scene itself. And in this
• 26:22
  Speaker 14: particular area, it's a very windy part of the road,
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: and those wines in the road require certain steering inputs
• 26:33
  Speaker 14: which would require a tent of driving essentially, And I
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: want to reiterate the fact that in this particular area
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: there are cautionary signs indicating that a.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: Turn is ahead.
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: But the speed limit in that area is forty five
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: miles per hour, and I'll do the math for you.
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: He was going fifty nine over the speed limit.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: That's more than double this hold Tremblay.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I did a little research last night, and we found
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: out that in some of those spots it's actually thirty five.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: There's also some forty fives, but in spots where he was,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: it's actually thirty five mph.
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: I'd like to also.
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: Point out that the dynamics of this impact suggests that
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: he contacted three other cars.
• 27:29
  Speaker 11: Those cars have significant damage.
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: to be honest with you, those cars probably diminished the
• 27:41
  Speaker 14: impact severity that he produced against these four lovely young women.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So Joseph Tremblay and regular people talk. What you're saying
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: is the cars he crashed into to start with were
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: a barrier, a buffer to the victims, and they would
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: have suffered even more had it not crashed into those
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: cars to start with.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: One hundred and four mp eight, that's correct.
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: This is just such a severe impact.
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: The four females both pronounced dead I see Bi Alpha
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: outside when a.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Red BMW speeding down the PCH going at least one
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: hundred miles per hour, suddenly swears from the road and
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: slams into parked cars. Partygoers scream as the parked cars
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: are shoved into Nave, Peyton Asha and Deslin, while bystanders
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: call nine to one one and attend to two others
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out, stumbling
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: away from the mangled cars.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: From Alabi Times.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: miles per hour and a forty five mile per hour zone.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW, allegedly
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: fleeing from a road rage altercation. When his recklessness would
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: create a nightmare, no one could have imagined it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: A BMW brand new to him, just gifted to him
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: by his parents.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Joining me now.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: In addition to Karen Stark, renowned forensic psychologist doctor Kendall
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Crowns joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Starva brand new hit podcast Mayhem and the Morgue. He
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: TCU and has performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies, accidents,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: natural causes, suicides, and homicides, including vehy killer homicides. Doctor
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. The girls
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: standing there minding their own business, waiting to go into
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I believe Bridget and Coco it was a Sigma Kai party.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Was that where they were headed?
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: Yes, it was a mixer. It was like an event
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: for sporty. It wasn't a part.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, what's the difference.
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: There was no drinking involved.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I neither had to be a difference, because when you
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: put the Sigma Kais and the Alpha Fies together in
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: one place, it sounds like a party to me. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: my Coco, crandall were they waiting outside to go in.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: They actually had parked their car. If you're familiar with PCH,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: you only can park on the street.
• 30:25
  Speaker 15: Park their car, got out of their car and were
• 30:28
  Speaker 15: walking to the house to go to the mixer, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 15: in the process of walking, that's when they were got it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, Okay, Dodger Kendle Crowns.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure I understood what they
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: were doing. You know another reason I wanted to know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: doctor Crown's because so often, somehow the victims turn out
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: to be the bad guys in the media and with
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I know you do
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: everything you can to help your client, but doctor.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, they were a not drinking.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: They would be on the side of a street walking
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: into the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I just want to be very clear, all dressed up and.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns, you know what time it is, right,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendll Crown's, what happened to these girls when they
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: were hit by a couple of tons of metal at
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: one hundred and four miles per hour.
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: So what happens when a car is going at a
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,
• 31:52
  Speaker 12: the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: and fulds your knee and because of your side to
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: strike the upper porch of the front of the car,
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: and that pitches the body onto the hood. The head
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: hits the hood or the wind shield, and at that
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: high rate of speed, the body will flip up over
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: the car and then fly through the air and land
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: on the ground. Now, one of the other things when
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: you're having someone drive at that high rate of speed
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: is you'll get traumatic amputations where the legs will be
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: severed from the point of impact and then just kind
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: of spread out all over the roadway. We also might see,
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: depending on their height, amputations that the hit area bodies
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: cut in half and even potentially from the speed with
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: the head hitting the windshield decapitation, it will be massive
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: internal injuries, fractures of all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: then the organs themselves will be ruptured or lacerated as well.
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: It's actually high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Events, Doctor Kindall Crowns, How many cases like this.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Have you worked?
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: So?
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: Pedestrian instruck by vehicles are fairly common, we see them
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: at least probably once a week, But high speed pedestrian
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: instruck by vehicles are very rare because mostly, most of
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: the time, pedestrians aren't on the highway and most people
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four miles
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: per hour when they hit a pedestrian.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that last comment. I'm going to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: circle back to you, doctor Kndall Crowns for more of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: an in depth analysis of what the victims may have
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: lived through. But Brian Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: managing partner Claypool Law Firm joining US out of California, did.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You hear what he said?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Very rarely are victims walking on a highway where high
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: speed crashes normally happened. This was not a highway, and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: they were walking along the edge of a pedestrian street
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: where the mph was thirty five.
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that, But I think what
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: Alan Jackson is going to do in this case is
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: he's going to go after the County of Los Angeles
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: and or the city of MALIBURNI. It's likely the county
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: for failing to adequately maintain that road. What do I
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: mean by that? Your entire show, you've mentioned probably four
• 34:20
  Speaker 13: or five times dead Man's Curve. It was also called
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: Hell's Corner. The county's on notice that this is a
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: dangerous curve. Why wasn't there better lighting? That's what he's
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: going to argue, And he's going.
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: To argue also, was there a guardrail here?
• 34:35
  Speaker 13: I don't think there was, And if there wasn't, there
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: should have been, and that might have minimized the impact,
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: and this tragedy might have been a.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Verb Well, at least you're going down swinging.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: You're going to try and blame bad lighting and no
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: guardrail and push it all off on the county. Okay,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that sounds more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: trying to distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: criminal trial for vehicular homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: are familiar with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the law, which rises too. I would like this to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: be prosecuted as murder not vehicular homicide because of the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: abandoned and malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: be proven in many different ways. One is, of course,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: when you say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: had it and I take.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: A gun, hold it up and shoot you dead. Okay,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence of intent to murder. There
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: is another theory called abandon and malignant heart. What does
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: that mean? Here's an example. You drive one hundred and
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: four miles an hour through let's just say a street
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: festival that's been blocked off where people are selling food,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: food and homemade items and crafts. And there are two
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: hundred people there on a Sunday afternoon, drinking lemonade and
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: eating kebabs.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And suddenly here you.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Come, Claypool, one hundred and four mph, plowing through the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: street festival and you kill people. That shows an abandoned heart.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: In other words, you have a heart which is abandon
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of empathy for other people, and you do something so
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: insanely reckless it equals murder. That would be my argument
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: to this jury. And you're trying to blame bad lighting
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I respect that.
• 36:40
  Speaker 13: Well, Look, look, I spectfully disagree on that that my
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: argument applies to a civil case.
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: You know as well as I do.
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: You've got a proof causation even in the murder case here,
• 36:50
  Speaker 13: And what Jackson is going to argue is there could
• 36:52
  Speaker 13: be concurrent concurrent causation. And here's another point. In order
• 36:56
  Speaker 13: to prove murder in the situation in California, I approve
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: causation what's called implied malice, not that he intended to
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: drive over these young women. You've got to prove that
• 37:07
  Speaker 13: he acted in such conscious disregard for the lives of
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: others that he knew that it was lead that these
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: young women would die. And what Jackson is going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: argue is that wasn't in his frame of mind that
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: he didn't intend on doing that, didn't intend on trying
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: to ebody.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Again, you just made me so happy because you said
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: he didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: letter of the law, which will be read to the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: jury and jury instructions just after closing arguments that the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: law presumes the definitt intends the natural consequences of his act.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a jury instruction in California,
• 37:54
  Speaker 13: you could try to make that argument as a prosecutor.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Let me refresh your regulation.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: It is don't you want you what you want to
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that you can consequence of your act.
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: Look, if this case goes to trial, Boem is going
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: to have to testify to try to refute. Wait, let's
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: assume you're correct, Nancy, then he's going to have to
• 38:15
  Speaker 13: testify to tell a jury what was going on in
• 38:18
  Speaker 13: his mind at the time of this incident. And that's
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: really what Jackson is going to have to do here.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: What's in his mind? Why do I care what he's thinking?
• 38:28
  Speaker 16: You should care because there is the first question Jackson
• 38:31
  Speaker 16: is going to ask him, did you intend on driving
• 38:34
  Speaker 16: off the side of the road to kill these young ladies?
• 38:37
  Speaker 16: That that is relevant in this trial to refute your
• 38:40
  Speaker 16: abandoned heart theory, it is, Nancy.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Abandoned heart means you at with such gross negligence, with
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a malignant heart, that you kill others. What you're thinking
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: does not go as size called negligence.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: You're not thinking, Hey, I want to kill four girls all.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Dressed up in the party dresses to go to the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Sigma Kai mixer. You don't have to think that if
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I go into the Mall of America with an oozy
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and start firing, I don't have to.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Know who my victims are. I don't have to mean
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to kill them. That is an abandon and malignant heart,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and that is murder.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But I just looked it up just to make sure
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I was right, and guess what I am. The law
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: presumes that you intend the natural consequences of your act,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and it's called in your jurisdiction non target offense liability.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You don't.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Just like I said, if I take a piece of
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: thin china so fine you can see through it and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: intend to do?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Break it?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: When you drive one hundred and four mph in a
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: residential area where people are by the road, the natural
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: consequence of your act is is a crash. Let me
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: ask Cocoa Crandall and Bridget Thompson first to you, Bridget,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: have you ever been in that area before? Have you
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: ever seen the Sigma Kai house?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: Absolutely?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: there homes?
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: on both sides with homes.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Are there other fraternity homes or arity homes on that street?
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: There is one, but it's not like a Greek row
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: or anything. But there's definitely residential.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: So they're private residences.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, so good luck with that, Brian Claypool that there
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: needed to be a guard rail to prevent this horrific,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: deadly crash. You're going to blame a guard rail or
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: bad lighting? Oh, I can't wait.
• 40:53
  Speaker 13: Well, one other thing I would do if I'm Jackson
• 40:55
  Speaker 13: is again I disagree as a state.
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: Of mind a bomb. I think you have to ask
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: him why did he go.
• 41:03
  Speaker 13: From ninety three miles an hour to one hundred and
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: four miles an hour.
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: That gets to your defense.
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: I mean, if he has some rational explanation as to
• 41:12
  Speaker 13: why the car accelerated ten miles an hour in a
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: short amount of time, he might be able to get
• 41:18
  Speaker 13: over this.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Advantage technical legal term. He's an a hole? Did they
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: teach you that at Harvard Law School? An a hole?
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: The defendant knew his actions were dangerous to human life
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life, committing
• 41:36
  Speaker 10: four counts of imply malice murder. In this case, I
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: can't say this enough. We have to realize that when
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: we're driving a car, we have the potential of killing others.
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: When we're driving at one hundred plus miles an hour
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: only forty five mile per hour zone, the only reasonable
• 42:06
  Speaker 10: conclusion that kid arrive out of their behavior is harming others.
• 42:15
  Speaker 17: I told her that the greatest steps to her young,
• 42:18
  Speaker 17: vibrant life and the future goals was a multi vehicle accident,
• 42:26
  Speaker 17: which is still the leading cause of death in an
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: age group at that time. ASDA, that seems I've lost
• 42:36
  Speaker 17: the argument.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: You were just saying Deslin's dad, Desmond Williams speaking and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that's my friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: devastated tonight while we're on air. They're at home, sitting
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: in their dims and around their supper tables looking at
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I want to go to two very special guests, but
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: first to Karen Stark, joining US forensic psychologist, renowned TV
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: radio Trump expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot Com.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: sense of a new normal. Sharen, Please, what is your
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: advice to these two girls joining us today.
• 43:49
  Speaker 18: I think that they need to do exactly what they're doing, Nancy.
• 43:53
  Speaker 18: They have to keep talking about this, and I'm so
• 43:56
  Speaker 18: glad they're on the show. I'm very sorry that this
• 43:59
  Speaker 18: has happened. But the more they get involved, the more
• 44:03
  Speaker 18: they talk about what this person did, dispeeding all of
• 44:09
  Speaker 18: the neglect, the better they're going to feel. It will
• 44:12
  Speaker 18: never ever go away, unfortunately, don't we know that. I
• 44:16
  Speaker 18: think everyone knows that that hole in the heart never closes,
• 44:21
  Speaker 18: but over time it will get better. Just keep spreading
• 44:25
  Speaker 18: the message that this is terrortle and should never have happened.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: And remember your.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Friends, girls.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: When I first moved to New York to start off
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials together
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: in a dark studio and we would talk about what
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: all those years, eleven years, had those dark studios. And
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You don't
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: cry every single day, but probably right now that's still
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: your situation. And Karen please jump in whenever you have
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: a suggestion. Bridget and Cocoa, tell me about what life
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: was like living with these beautiful girls.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: First to you, Bridget, Uh.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect. When I met them,
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: my life literally changed. They were the most amazing people
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: I have ever met, and I think I will ever meet.
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: They made every day a better one. They knew how
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: to pick me up when I was down. They were
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: always a shoulder to cry on.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: It was.
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: It was just the best to live with them, To
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: wake up to their good mornings every morning, to go
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: to bed hearing their good nights. I just miss it
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: a lot. You know.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I went back to the apartment, I.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Believe it was you.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Their pj's were still lying out on the bed or
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: they replaced them to hop.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Into when they got home.
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they were.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Coco, tell me about a typical day that you would
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: have waking up with these beautiful girls.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: they are the bestest of friends, and I don't think
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: we'll ever find friends like that.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Again, they're truly I don't even.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: Think most people are lucky enough to have friends like
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: we did in their whole lifetime. But we would wake
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: up and we always had a playlist that we would
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: play mornings, and we would wake up, open the curtains
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: of the sunshine in just sit in our pjs, make breakfast,
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: play music.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: We lived obviously.
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: Great area, so we'd walk to the beach a lot
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: of time, either on walks along zoom A Beach or
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: at point Doom.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: And then I feel like we always would go get
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibo, and I
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: just such a dream. And I know, well I can
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: speak for Bridget and I like we would give anything
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: just to have one more day with them.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Do you ever dream about them?
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: with Dosit and Bridget lived with the rest. Bridget and
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: I moved in together afterwards into a different apartment and
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: would be like we both had dreams and it felt
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: so real that both of us were like, we don't
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: want to ever wake up because we just want to
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: keep dreaming.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: And some of them felt so real.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: Some of them were dreams about them coming back and
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in we're in
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: a spot, and you know, it happened so fast, and
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: like I want you guys to know we're okay, and
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: so Bridget and I would just wake up and sometimes
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: just like cry together from our dreams because they felt
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: so real. But then we'd wake up and it's just
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: hard to, you know, keep going in life without them.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: You know, I feel like we were just in a
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: really big denial stage for a really really long time.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But Doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: just all so fast they laid there and died. You
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact at
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred and four mph. They didn't just just like that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: Well, that is very true, Nancy. It really all depends
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: of course the initial impact that could severe limbs to
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: cause a person to go flying over the car but
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: not hit anything else, so their head would be intact,
• 49:19
  Speaker 12: and they would be laying there with the traumatically amputated
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: depends on what organ system got hit and at what
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: point was their head engaged or their neck engaged, or
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: how quickly they may have died, And it can be
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: one of those situations in which just the lower extremities
• 49:41
  Speaker 12: were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist was
• 49:44
  Speaker 12: crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out and
• 49:48
  Speaker 12: nobody could help them because of the amount of damage
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: that was done.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray Well, Thank goodness, the child
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: judge knew not to reduce bond on a case where
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: there are multiple fatalities. Now, according to the defendant and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: his lawyer, they say the bond company has frozen the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: collateral on the family home and the family will not
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: be able to fund the evidence gathering and expert testimony
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: needed to prove the crash was just a quote terrible
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: accident and not a crime. But the judge pointed out
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Bob's bill had already been lowered from the initial amount
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: of eight million. That's two million dollars for each charge.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: The judge further told the family they are welcome to
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: use a free public defender if they are truly indigent
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: as they claim to be.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, if they're broke, how did they afford to.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Give him a shiny new BMW the judge, and I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: quote is believe me when I say there are many
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: many defendants sitting in the county jail right now who
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: would love me to reduce their bail so they can
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: hire Alan Jackson or some other private council. But that's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: not the way it works. What happened the evening these
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: four girls lost their lives. Senior forensic engineer ex reconstructionists
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: at Veritech Consulting, how do you go into this scene,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: knowing what you know, having heard Bridget and Coco and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Karen and doctor Crown's how do you go in and
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: perform a hard, cold evaluation that will hold up in
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: court to explain to a jury what happened?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 51:49
  Speaker 14: I have to look at the facts, I have to
• 51:51
  Speaker 14: look at the evidence, and I think it's fair to
• 51:55
  Speaker 14: say in this situation, at that excessive speed, this was
• 51:59
  Speaker 14: no longer a car accident at that rate of speed,
• 52:03
  Speaker 14: and the collision that occurred would cause severe damage. I mean,
• 52:09
  Speaker 14: he's probably lucky himself that he didn't have any injuries
• 52:13
  Speaker 14: from this. This is so severe, and you know, one
• 52:17
  Speaker 14: of the nice things we have in this situation is
• 52:20
  Speaker 14: so much evidence and so much data, in particular the
• 52:24
  Speaker 14: data from the vehicle itself, which will corroborate his speed,
• 52:29
  Speaker 14: it'll corroborate his pre impact navigation, and whether or not
• 52:34
  Speaker 14: he attempted any sort of maneuver to avoid this collision.
• 52:40
  Speaker 14: So there's a lot of evidence that's going to be
• 52:42
  Speaker 14: presented at trial, and I think it's going to be
• 52:44
  Speaker 14: very elucidating for this particular crash.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Timbly, What do you mean you're going to get a
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: lot of evidence from the car itself. I got a
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from his
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: nav his navigation system, which was awesome. Can't really argue
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: with the NAS system in your own car. What evidence
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: are you talking about.
• 53:05
  Speaker 14: Well, that's a great question, and there is a lot
• 53:08
  Speaker 14: of evidence from a navigation unit individually. But in addition
• 53:13
  Speaker 14: to that, modern cars are constantly recording data. Every car
• 53:19
  Speaker 14: out there, it's a federal mandate that they record data,
• 53:23
  Speaker 14: and that particular data is tied to the airbag system.
• 53:28
  Speaker 14: In the event of an airbag deployment, the car decides
• 53:32
  Speaker 14: whether or not to deploy the airbags based on things
• 53:35
  Speaker 14: like vehicle speed, steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that,
• 53:41
  Speaker 14: and that data is stored.
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: On the car that can be retrieved.
• 53:44
  Speaker 14: In this particular crash, that data was retrieved by the
• 53:48
  Speaker 14: responding officers, and that is most likely the way that
• 53:52
  Speaker 14: they determined the impact speed and then also the way
• 53:57
  Speaker 14: that they determine the pre impact excess eleration that was
• 54:01
  Speaker 14: done by mister Baum.
• 54:03
  Speaker 12: And his.
• 54:06
  Speaker 14: Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Simly, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and smoke.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 54:18
  Speaker 14: Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking
• 54:23
  Speaker 14: an attempt to potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to
• 54:29
  Speaker 14: look into that even more. If it was a skid mark,
• 54:33
  Speaker 14: that would suggest potentially maybe a steering input or a
• 54:36
  Speaker 14: breaking input to decelerate slightly before impact.
• 54:41
  Speaker 11: However, that also kind of.
• 54:43
  Speaker 14: Depends on how the crash unfolded itself. The data will
• 54:50
  Speaker 14: provide a very solid basis for all of that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: And the nice thing about that data.
• 54:55
  Speaker 14: Is that you know, it's been admitted in many different
• 54:59
  Speaker 14: court cases. It's very solid. It's hard to argue that data.
• 55:03
  Speaker 14: I'm sure mister Jackson will probably make a very honest
• 55:07
  Speaker 14: attempt to kind of reduce the credibility of that data.
• 55:12
  Speaker 14: But it's just very solid. It's been used a lot,
• 55:15
  Speaker 14: and it's a very valuable piece of evidence.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Here to Ridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: crash victims, do you ever dream about them?
• 55:26
  Speaker 8: Yes? I have had many dreams with them, and it
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: is an amazing feeling to feel like you get to
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: be with them one more time. But it's hard to
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: wake up and know it's just not the truth.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?
• 55:44
  Speaker 8: Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: it's okay, I'm okay now. And I'll try do I
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: convince them to stay, and they'll be like, I have
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: to go back, I have to go back. It's a
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: really crazy feeling.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: What's happening in the girls' psydechis.
• 56:16
  Speaker 18: It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship
• 56:19
  Speaker 18: with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a
• 56:24
  Speaker 18: lot of people when they lose someone, they want to
• 56:26
  Speaker 18: dream about them. You have a chance to revisit, even
• 56:31
  Speaker 18: to say goodbye, which I'm going to suggest to both
• 56:34
  Speaker 18: of you that you tell yourself you want to do
• 56:37
  Speaker 18: that when you have the dream again to say goodbye
• 56:39
  Speaker 18: to them, and the whole idea of being with them again.
• 56:43
  Speaker 18: It's all beautiful and very very fortunate. I'm glad they're
• 56:48
  Speaker 18: having those dreams. I know that when you wake up
• 56:50
  Speaker 18: and may be upsetting, but take it like a message.
• 56:54
  Speaker 18: You know that your friends have come and they're visiting
• 56:56
  Speaker 18: with you.
• 56:57
  Speaker 19: Pepperdine University seniors and Nevel Peyton Stewart, Osha Weir and
• 57:02
  Speaker 19: Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a
• 57:05
  Speaker 19: Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.
• 57:09
  Speaker 19: After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman
• 57:12
  Speaker 19: year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,
• 57:17
  Speaker 19: future vet TikTok intern, and an aspiring writer. Neive, a
• 57:21
  Speaker 19: twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader,
• 57:24
  Speaker 19: and pole vaulter. Who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslin
• 57:29
  Speaker 19: was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.
• 57:32
  Speaker 19: Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing
• 57:36
  Speaker 19: her dream internship with TikTok before returning to campus for
• 57:40
  Speaker 19: senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the
• 57:44
  Speaker 19: dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at a photo of the four victims, just
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: in the prime of their lives, just absolutely beautiful, their
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: whole lives in front of them, standing on the side
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: of the road, waiting to go to a fraternity mixer,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: when they are mowed down by the defendant careening into
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: them in his lux BMW. According to police. In the
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: last days, a judge turns down the defendance request for
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: another bond reduction.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Leaving in the courthouse.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: High profile lawyer Jackson says the judge's decision will not
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: deter the defense and that the defense team is quote
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: looking forward to our moment to get the truth out.
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that too. We wait as justice unfals.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Goodbye Fred