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Garth Glissman: Part 2 / Shut Up Sipple (sponsored by Bagels & Joe) · Early Break – 93.7 The Ticket KNTK

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  [SPEAKER_04]: The reason I bring that up is because we've talked about this all the time, Garth, that Carson shot likes to hire people that are that are that are go getters, maybe not qualified, not qualified, but not maybe not educated in that area.
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Garth started off as a basketball coach in the lawyer, then he essentially ran the NBA and now he's running the SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's not what that wasn't on your you're gonna give me a trouble.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: That wasn't on your bucket list Was it when you when you were when you were driving from Omaha to Lincoln?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Were you thinking you know what I might get this NBA thing and that wasn't your and all of a sudden This wasn't what that wasn't what he trained himself for but that's what he's doing now
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's what I was thinking I was driving from how to Lincoln I had a lot more fun coaching these kids Yeah, and I do work at the law firm.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, and I needed to coach those kids to fill my cup Have a carcinning Garth that might be a quite the taste of that together.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Wow The only thing would be Garth would be something of a threat to cars
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, in Carson, might be a threat to us.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're very friendly.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you can get competitive.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the world of Carson and I'm just success is great to see.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I want to ask this question.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: And this is good.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: This is, now these guys know I'm an SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a vow to SEC fan.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm not, I'm just saying that because you're sitting here.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: There's that staff that struck me, I don't know if it was earlier in the week or as this weekend.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I was looking at something in this staff presented itself.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I was bold over by it.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not perfect in big-ten country to go in this direction, but
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  [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about the most watched college football teams in 2025 in terms of average viewership or game.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: This is according to Nielsen.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Eight of the top 10 teams are from the SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Only Ohio State and Michigan crack that top 10.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Alabama number one, Texas number two, Georgia number three, even then, etc.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Why does the SEC dominate viewership to that level?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a macro and a micro explanation.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll start macro, the population trends are,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: incredibly beneficial for the South Eastern conference.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You think about the part of the country that has grown the fastest out these in the last 10, 20 years, it's the southeast.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There are Texas and Florida, no states in this country are growing at that rate.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: In terms of population growth, economic growth, and then Georgia, Tennessee.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, across the board of the Southeast, there's been explosive population growth.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: transcended into enrollment growth.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So you so you have a lot of macro demographic shifts working in the SEC's favor in that regard football is is king and that part of the country and also I think football is it's it's king, but also.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no, not to the same level as in big 10 country.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's not the same amount of competition with NFL teams.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you think about the big 10 footprint, it's a national footprint.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Nebraska, there's obviously no NFL team here.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But in Ohio, you have NFL teams in California, you have NFL teams in pencil, you know, you go across the board.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a little bit of a delusion of your football fans.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So first and foremost, macro explanation.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot that's going right for the South Eastern, part of the United States.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And culturally,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's certain parts, I'm not trying to make any partisan political points, but there's certain parts of the country that like football more than others, and that breakdown I think is even more noticeable when you look at college football.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I just, just the reality of it.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Part of some, yeah, I like that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So Matt, Matt, explanation, I think is, is key to understanding those trends.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And then secondly, the SEC and the Big Ten have different media strategy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So the SEC is all in with Disney slash ESPN.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: OK.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So when you turn on ABC to 11 a.m. Central and watch an SEC game on most Saturdays, you can just leave the channel
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And you're going to get an SEC game through the evening broadcast.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: So three, let's talk tonight when you turn it off.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The big ten has more of.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: NFL like model where you have Fox for the first window and you've got the CBS window and you've got the NBC window and what our research shows is the decision to go all in on one platform and essentially just make it really easy for fans to sit down and just watch one channel not up to change channel all day.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's been a good strategy for us so far.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I never thought of that.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I never thought of it that way.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, part of the appeal of the SEC is
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  [SPEAKER_05]: It's all in one region, all the schools are in a region.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: The big tends broken up.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think about the TV being fragmented too, but that's the factor.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The regional rivalries in the SEC are one of our competitive advantages.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yes.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: 100%.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: One thing to question.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's Bill Liff.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: When you think about what makes college athletics unique, there's a cultural element to it.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And regional rivalries, friends and family
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Love each other, but they're on different sides of a particular game on a Saturday that's really what makes college athletics so unique and the SEC has that in spades, and then the last point I would make it's a more micro point this kind of gets into the debate back and forth between the big 10 in the past these days.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: there's incredible depth in the SEC right so if you were you know take whether it's the median SEC team whether it's the SEC team that's like in the bottom quartile those are still solid teams people want to watch those games those teams have a lot of future and NFL players on them and so
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  [SPEAKER_03]: of can obviously drive overall viewership numbers higher.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas I think it's fair to say, and what I was thinking about this segment, you know, the last thing I wanted to do is come in here today and make some, you know, proists like sound like an SEC homework.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind that's not mine.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You do work the wrong way.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: You work the wrong way.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's fair to say that at least in recent years, the results would show that the big 10 is,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: strongest at the top as evidenced by three consecutive national championships, but there's also data to suggest that the SEC is the deeper conference in terms of is just go down the standings think any fan would agree.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So the depth of the SEC.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It becomes an NFL like TV product and that you have more competitive games on a weekly basis and that creates higher overall viewership.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: What good answers?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: What is the thought process?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we might, we all do on this show, push back on the, when you guys are saying it go, I'm like, okay, the SEC, our best games at 230 in the big 10s, best games at 11am.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: because that we we we just feel that the 11 a.m. game is a woo, just woo, I mean, the game, I mean, I know this and when I I played in a coach and several of those SEC 233 30.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, it's insane with that feels like for that with that game when at the time it was CBS now has changed, but when that game came on at 23330 Eastern, I mean, the whole world was watching that game about a night game in Tiger Stadium.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: That was craziness.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the played night games in the SEC was incredible.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: But the 11 o'clock game, that's another advantage for the SEC, isn't it?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: They have the 230 window in the night window where the biggest game in the Big 10 is at 11 am.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a function of the differing media strategies.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I mentioned that the Big 10 has a fragmented media strategy where you have.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: different networks with different windows.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so Foxes premier Big Ten window is the 11 AM central window.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so the way it works for NFL and even the Big Ten, the networks essentially contractually own slots and a draft.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So every year, the networks draft games.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't have that dynamic in the SEC because we only have one TV partner.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So if Fox by virtue of its draft pick picks a game, and that's going to be its best game of the week, it's going to play that game at 11 a.m. central if NBC drafts that game, they're going to put it in the evening slot.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's part of the system design that the Big Ten has all these 11 AM Fox games and that's where Fox is actually going to put their best game.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So in the SEC, we can mix and match all of our best games are on ABC.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, the Big Ten has done a lot right.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, a enormous respect for them.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They're formidable competitor.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... economically they've done a lot right that actually generating more revenue than any other league at this point but i do think the cc media strategy has some unique advantages that have contributed to uh... our viewership numbers is it a concerning element and the discussions it in the cc offices that the big ten as one three straight national grounds is it it's something that
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: The results speak for themselves, you know, that's the beauty of, of competition.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the SEC still, we have a lot of confidence that we're going to compete at the highest levels in the sports that matter most.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's Coach Bush, you know this better than I, you said, you've covered great football for many years.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the margin of error when you're competing for a championship is pretty slim.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not when you have Joe Burrow and Jefferson and Jamar Chase, but that was that help.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That was a historic season, but.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: The point is, you think back to the last three seasons and could something have happened a little differently in those playoff games where you have a different outcome.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's not to take anything away.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: No, let's grow up from the big 10, but the margin of error is very slim.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I look at the SEC this year and football, I think there's gonna be really good quarterback play.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's six or seven elite quarterbacks in the SEC this year.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think to play high level college football, these days, you need to have strong quarterback play.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think the quarterback play in the league bows well for us in the 26 season.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But as it relates to the SEC standard, the SEC standard is national championships.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And of course, it's it's bothersome when you don't meet your your own standard.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, obviously, the baseball you've won seven in a row, is that right, seven and the SEC's won in a seven and a row.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Seven in a row.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: In baseball last year, if obviously Florida was the champion and the Big Ten won a this year in basketball.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: But I said, it's not like that, but it's still football still gets a big view, right?
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, sorry, when you're watching with that, that's the thing comes all the time to the SEC's, like, well, Big Ten's won three in a row in football.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I view the SEC Big 10 rivalry is good for college sports.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we talked about the cultural differences between the two, but it's real.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, living in the southeast, been there for about three years, it's a different way of life.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously it's Big 10 Country, very proud of their culture, their traditions, so you have
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  [SPEAKER_03]: These two conferences without size traditions and in the way that's fragmented, decentralized nature of college athletics is evolved as these two conferences have risen to the top and they're jogging for college sports supremacy and I think it makes for a great narrative.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I do too.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Where do you get sent?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: How do they football wise or even basketball?
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: So football, how do you know, because you're, you're at a game, probably every Friday get there and then steer there for the game on Saturday.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Probably be at about five football, five SEC football games this year.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to go every Saturday because then it starts to eat into your, you know, productivity during the work week.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'll be at five or six, it's a collective effort across the staff in terms of who goes where, obviously Commissioner Sanky gets his first pick.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm typically at a gate, he's usually at the best game in the week.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: What are your duties?
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have duties?
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  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what do you pay attention to closest if that's easier way to put it?
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: you stay in the same hotel as the referees and so you ride over what the referees and make sure that they're where they're supposed to be and then they get out of there safely and then essentially during the game it's just relationship management issues arise.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the interesting features of college athletics is it's very decentralized and so all of these functions it is that are driven by the league offices and pro sports that are top down somewhat I don't want to say a authoritarian but very much a top down approach.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: College athletics, it's, you know, these institutions are sorting out a lot among themselves.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, sometimes there's a role for a mediator of sorts.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: The mediator.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The sort through some issues that arise on your day.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: You'd be a good case.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: How about that would happen, Steve, to us?
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're at OKC, we're getting ready to play.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: So when you bring Vanderbilt and we saunter in to get free food and we don't know where to sit and so we sit randomly at this table and there's some, and I'm like, I'm like, look at this like those SECs here, he's here, he's here watching Vanderbilt.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we strike up a conversation with him and we just happen to just name drop.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, we have Garth on the show quite often and the guys eyes were like,
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: You guys know Garth, he's saying a picture, he sent you a picture, he was seriously no Garth close when I go, we know him, he's from that same, he's got Pender Roots and we have him on our show quite often, he was freaked out, because I think he was nervous because he was just sitting there eating a sandwich, he should have been doing something maybe, because we're going to report him, there's in between games, but he was there washing to see Vanderbilt to be that
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: And he was he was freaked out that we knew.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he didn't have anything to worry about.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's our CFO so I need to stay on his good side, right?
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: That was the CFO.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was the CFO of the SEC and we're just.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Bill was just talking to him.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: And I was just words very careful.
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  [SPEAKER_05]: Bill was being the reporter and he was he knew.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not gonna say much.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when you see the SEC logo on some like they you don't all the sudden to start popping off with I was I was like excuse me Mr. SEC man Would you happen to know Mr. Glysmon and that's how the conversation got started because they used a Mr. SEC I think so I think I'd have been Yes, I was being see a phone.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're sitting there having a sandwich me and simple the three of us We broke bread
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's awesome.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You guys can strike up a conversation with anybody.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Why do you say such a popular radio show?
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just a natural conversation list.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, decentralized.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you wish it was more centralized in college sports?
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: It is decentralized.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: We always talk about it.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: We don't use that term, but it is decentralized.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Having experience both pro sports and college sports,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: the reality is that many of the college sports issues arise from a highly decentralized governance model.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the best example of that is that in pro sports by virtue of the combination of the collective bargaining agreement and league by laws, they resolve all disputes within the league.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tom Brady in the aftermath of deflate gate tried to test that.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he took his appeal to federal district court.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: One at the federal district court level, that's why he was able to play the season after deflate gate happened, one of the district court level, but then lost at the appellate level, one step below the Supreme Court.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why a year later, his suspension was reinstated.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so he missed four games
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: full calendar year after deflate gate happened.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So ultimately, the Brady deflate gate precedent strengthens the ability of pro sports leagues to keep all disputes in house.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not taking a grievance from a pro sports league and getting that into a court.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be resolved through the leagues by private resolution procedures.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: the Brady deflate game matters the best illustration of that.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: College sports has lost its ability to govern.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't like an outcome with respect to player mobility, player eligibility, player compensation, you just find a friendly judge.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now the trend is not just going to court but going to state court.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where the plaintiff's attorneys, the
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: people that are seeking to invalidate different NCAA rules have had the most success as in stakeholder.
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't had as much success in federal court.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you think about the three drivers of instability in college sports, it's player compensation, player movement, and player eligibility.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: The courts have been fairly deferential to the SEC on, excuse me, to the NCAA on player eligibility.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a recognition that, hey, we need some common sense rules around player eligibility.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can't have 30 year olds playing college sports.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: The courts have not been deferential and time after time have struck down and steadily rules regarding player compensation and player mobility.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So of the three drivers of chaos and college athletics,
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: proven unable to regulate compensation mobility.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's now being decided by the course.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why you have this push to try to create federal legislation to try to pull the ever be centralized leadership.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: the Protect College Sports Act that is pending in the Senate and the SEC will speak with one voice and that voice will be Commissioner Sanky on that topic, but the one thing I will say about that bill is that it would be unprecedented in the extent to which the federal government would regulate college sports.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what does it mean to work in a heavily federated industry?
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's ask people who work for railroads.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's ask people who work for banks.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Be a dramatic shift in governance.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So as it stands currently, pro sports, they operate with structure, precision, order,
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's because of a very centralized governance model, those commissioners have real power.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: College sports highly decentralized, a lot of institutional decisions.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then layering on to that complexity, you now have this dynamic where even the rules that have been in place are not enforceable because time and time again, especially with respect to compensation mobility courts have invalidated them.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, but the model's simple, right?
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: You've already said it.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: The NFL has the model.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then we always talk about the show.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like,
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Good, well, he runs it.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a commissioner.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: He runs the whole Adam Silver, Silver runs.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's so crystal clear.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a model out there of how this works.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: But then everyone has to give a little bit to get to that.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: It would require a significant shift in thinking.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: To get to that model,
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: would require athletic directors and presidents and chancellor's giving up some control.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a lot to ask.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot to ask and particularly considering that the most prominent institutions in college sports are actually public institutions.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's some legal nuance there.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's one thing to ask a privately owned pro sports team
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: to essentially divest significant authority to a centralized governance model.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's an entirely different thing to ask that of a state entity.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's incredible legal nuance, but just in terms of the structure and governance, there is a model.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I will say this.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: A strong commissioner is the best protector of fans interests.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: because the commissioner, and obviously the league office more broadly, they are going, they know that every game is going to have a winner and a loser.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they're going to cut through all of these localized competitive considerations, and they are going to schedule games that fans want to see because they want optimized interest and ultimately revenue for their league.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a certain beauty to localize control.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think kind of the romanticized notion of college athletics that all of us grew up around.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was some advantages to the localize control.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But one of the advantages to a more centralized model certainly in today's environment is the ability to keep issues and disputes within.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: the ecosystem outside of the courts, and then a commissioner who's going to act in the best interest of the league, which, in my opinion, is the best way to protect the interest of fans.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, we'll get a break.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, all right.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: When we come back with more with Garth, this been next time early breaking the ticket.