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Show 142: Hell · The Uncensored Catholic

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The a B. Y'all, welcome to today's show. We'll pick up where
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we left off. Well, its actually week before last. I was unable
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to podcast last week. I had an incredibly bad bronchial viral bronchitis. But
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yeah, last week was like I couldn't do much more than right. But
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that's okay because I got a lot of writing done. A lot of writing
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done. In fact, I'm pleased to announce it. As of yesterday,
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I have finished my fourteenth book, and it will be Daily Gospel Reflections for
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the second half of this year, and if I can get it edited and
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published god willing, it'll be available for sale by the fifteenth of this month,
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and that'll actually give you six weeks to buy it before you know.
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The July one comes so long, I guess it's right. Honestly, I've
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edited like ninety pages today, so if I'm getting my dates wrong, I've
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forgive me. Next week I'll have the announcement of it being for sale,
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God will. And yeah, you know, it's tough to do these because
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you do have to write them in advance, and not just six months in
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advance, but with enough time so people can actually buy it and start it
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on day one. So I often, because I don't write on Sundays,
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I'll be writing, you know, three four hours a day, doing three
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to five day's worth of gospel reflections, trying to catch up if I had
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to miss a day, you know, going out of town or you know,
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helping a family member or something. Plus my other writing, my herbal
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writing, so it can be it can actually be quite exhausting. And I
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letter list, it's free, you'll probably enjoy it. So yeah, people
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ask me what it's like to be an author, what's it like to be
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your own boss? And I tell him, when you're your own boss,
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you have to be a really tough boss. But anyway, let's get back
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where we were, and at the show is a little choppy for some reason,
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I am still coughing. I'm not really congested anymore of us, still
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got some bronchial inflammation. And I'll edit all the coughing out as best I
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can, but you know, if it has a little choppy, that's what's
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going on. So in radio replies, the questioners are of course asking the
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priests questions about religion, and one person says, the higher synthesis, known
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as theosophy, at least does not exclude Catholics. Now there's maybe a word
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you're not familiar with, or with which you're not familiar. It's the combination
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of philosophy and theology called theosophie. The theosophy I have trouble with it myself,
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t s o phy. And it was actually quite popular in early America
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into the early nineteen hundreds. In fact, a few of our founding fathers
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were practiced practitioners of it. And I think it was Benjamin Franklin. Yeah,
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Benjamin Franklin founded a theosophical society. These were Misayic, These were members
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of the Masonic Corps, These were Freemasons. It is truly not Christian at
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its core and its principles and doctrine, it is actually Masonic. And you
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know, I have tremendous respect for Benjamin Franklin's accomplishments, but we have to
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remember he was not Catholic. And you know, a lot of people try
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to make him like this totally virtuous character, and yeah, I mean he
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had some really good points. He was a very smart man, and you
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know, he had a moral comp that was right more often than it was
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wrong. But it was really funny when like Glenn Beck, for instance,
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tried to explain away that Benjamin Franklin would work out on basically his porch in
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Pennsylvania in broad daylight inside of everyone buck naked every day for the week,
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and he's like, well, he didn't have athletic clothing back then, Well,
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actually they did. He was quite the ladies man, and he was
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very proud of his body. He was in very good shape. We think
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of him as the he was elderly, you know when he led the Constitutional
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Convention. I mean he had been ambassador in England and France, and I
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mean he was very old, and that's how we see him. He was
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actually a very muscular, strapping young man and quite the ladies man. He
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had a lot of extramural affairs, or maybe I should say a lot of
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affairs with married women really, and in his letters he advised young men to
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find older women with which to have affairs, so they didn't break a young
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girl's heart, So you can see that he did have somewhat of them oral
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compass, whereas it was not always pointing in the right direction. And yeah,
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he wasn't just working out naked, as we say in the South buck
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naked. It was Lewis Bazaar that says there's a difference between naked and nicked,
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neked being spelled in e kki D. He said, when you're naked,
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it means you got no clothes on. If you nicked, you got
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no clothes on and you upped something. That's where I'm going with that intonation.
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One might say that pronunciation. So let's get into this question about theosophy.
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You won't find many people that still practice this, but it will come
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around. Everything comes around again. In fact, well, I do know
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of one that would probably fall into that catch, someone actually podcaster and writer
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I have a lot of respect for. So I mean it will come around
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again. Actually, I mean he has millions of listeners and followers. So
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yeah. Anyway, they say theosophy is not a higher synthesis, it is
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an anti Catholic, anti Catholic confusion of philosophical remnants, and whether it excludes
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Catholic adherents or not. The Catholic Church excludes theosophy, prohibiting its doctrines as
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being utterly irreconcilable with the teachings of Christ. The doctrines were well weighed before
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the Church issued a decree in nineteen nineteen, and that decree would not will
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never be withdrawn by it. The Catholic Church showed once more how conscious she
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is of her duty to preserve the exact doctrine of Christ, just as He
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gave it to mankind. And on those lines what they call it spiritualism.
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It was very popular in nineteen hundred seances and such, and someone asks may
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Catholics assist in spiritual seances? They say no. In nineteen seventeen, the
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Church to creed as follows, it is not lawful to assist at spiritual seances
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or manifestations, whether with or without a medium, even though such meetings seem
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to be honest and religious. Spiritualism claims to be a new religion and therefore
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meets with the same fate as all other religions invented by men since the time
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of Christ. The only true religion is that established by Christ, and in
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the form in which he established it. It is little used to call oneself
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Christian and to reject the church that Christ has built, excepting any form of
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religions, any form of religion, men would like to substitute for it.
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And they ask us there any truth in spiritualism, and they answer, there
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is truth in the claim that the soul is distinct from and can survive the
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body. All men instinctively know this, and as they lose faith in Protestantism,
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this fundamental truth of reason remains many of them. Therefore term of spiritualism.
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Thus this new phase gains ground among non Catholics. As a religious system,
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Spiritualism is the outcome of human effort, and is in vogue among certain
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men for a time, but it is valueless as a religion in the sight
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of God. It will die out in due course, possibly to give place
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to some other extravagant form of religious excitement. Man is constitutionally religious, and
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if deprived of Catholic truth, will grasp it anything for a time, but
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substitutes are bound to disappoint in the end. They ask why does Catholic Church
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condemn spiritualism? And they say, the Catholic Church certainly believes in the existence
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of the spiritual world of God, of good and evil, and created of
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good and evil, created spirits, and in the continued existence of souls of
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men. But the phenomena of spiritualism are due at best to natural causes,
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at times to imposture a meaning. There are fakes. You know, a
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lot of these mediums and seances were con men and very often to evil spirits.
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Certainly, any effects due to the influence of spirits are not due to
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the intervention of good spirits. The medium acts under uncanny and feverish excitement.
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The effects are evil only too often, and messages received, as well as
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the methods adopted, are openly blasphemous and immoral, and quite unworthy of God.
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God himself says, neither let there be found among you one that seeketh
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the truth from the dead. And it's an interesting I'm going to stay on
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this for just another few minutes because it's going to tie very much into our
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secondary topic for the day. You know, I last podcast I gave you
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from Father's Bragus Exhaustive Catechism, the Catholic Church, the Catholic teaching on Heaven.
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Well, we're going to talk about hell today and spiritualism. You may
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think this is all stuff like an old you know, Charlie Chan movies and
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such. This is what gave birth to the New Age movement. I mean,
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it's still very much with us, just under a different name. People
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may not be reading Edgar Casey and going to formal seances with crystal balls and
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such, but I mean there's certainly still palm readers all over the place,
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tarot cards, wickens, and really all the New Age stuff grew out of
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the spiritualism and neo pagan movement of the late eighteen hundreds orly nineteen hundreds.
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That yeah, I mean, I've told you before. People began rejecting Catholic
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teaching really in the Enlightenment so called, which was anything but, and men
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of higher learned being started studying the old gods and the old pagan systems,
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claiming, you know, the Catholic Church had stripped them of their native traditions.
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That led to a lot of bad stuff. It led to the neopagan
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movement. It led to Nazism, you know, Nazis had a lot of
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occult symbolism and belief, and it led to the Spiritualist movement, the seances,
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and now the New Age frankly garbage. It's just a garbled mess of
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watered down traditions that somebody wrote about them, may have may not have been
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true. I mean, you think of Carlos Castaneda. He wrote those books
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about supposed you know, Native American practice shamanism. Turned out he made the
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whole thing up. He got him from books actually about Gnostic beliefs and ancient
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Indian and Tibetan beliefs, made the whole thing up, formed a cult around
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himself with what he called his witches, and yeah, that was this was
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a huge influence on the modern New Age movement. People who study that would
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readily admit that he was an absolute con man, an evil cult member who
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just wanted to have a lot of concubines and used a lot of drugs.
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But he made up a whole spiritualism supposedly from you know, Mexican Native American
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tribes and claimed that the Catholic Church took that away from people. That's really
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all the New Age movement is in any way, shape or form. I
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don't care if it's wicca, I don't care if it's shamanism as people call
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it these days, or the druid stuff. It's all made up, really,
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I mean, there's a little there's always a kernel truth and everything.
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Yes, stone Hinge exists, but the people that once used stone hinge aren't
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there anymore. Tell you what they used it for. You know, we
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don't know if it was used for human sacrifice or just a big compass or
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or a map of the stars. You know, we're never going to know
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because those people aren't here anymore. And Druidism wasn't practice after Saint Patrick christianized
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Ireland, wasn't practiced for you know, hundreds of years. Yeah, they
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were religioes, but they weren't druids. They may have killed some Jewish traditions
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and especially in their you know, potions and formulas and such, but those
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Druid priests were all men and they're gone. They've been gone for a long
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time. They've been gone since Saint Patrick exposed them as being demon worshipers and
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frauds. And I'm irish, you know, Yeah, I'm to freely say
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that the pre Christian religion of Ireland was demonic and it was replaced by the
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true Christian religion of Catholicism, just as was the religions of Germany and England
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and Spain, and you know wherever, Rome, Greece, Egypt. I
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mean, well for a time for the Muslims took over. But you know,
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you can go throughout the ancient world and you will find not a true
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religion, a religion with true religious intent, but you know, they were
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worshiping false gods and often I mean very violent, a lot of cannibalism.
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Like I've said, archaeologists have found throughout the Americas, North and South America
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just pits of human bones with human teeth marks on them. You know,
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there's not a lot of good. I mean, we really like lionize the
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Native American religions, like just act like they were just wow, they were
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so pure and so wonderful in some extent. To some extent, yeah,
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I mean there's you know, God puts the need to worship God in the
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heart of it every man. But only there's only one true religion. And
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you're going to find a lot of human sacrifice and a lot of cannibalism,
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and a lot of slavery, and a lot of really bad stuff in every
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single people on the face of the earth, on the face of the earth,
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every tribe, every race, every single one until the resurrection of our
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Lord. I mean, that's the truth, and anyone who's honest, who
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and knows history, would actually admit that. But we're not being taught honest
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history. But anyway, like I said, I stand on this for just
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another minute. Here they say, has the Catholic Church ever been in communication
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with spirits from the next world? And they say the history of the Catholic
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Church. There are many accounts of messages received from the souls of the departed.
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The truth of these accounts is subject to the ordinary laws of historical criticism,
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and some accounts have certainly been proved doubtful. Others leave no room for
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prudent doubt. A rule God permits the soul only on occasion to communicate,
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momentarily a warning or a quest for prayers, but nothing fantastical. Likewise,
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these messages are spontaneous and not due to the curious effects of people seeking the
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truth from the dead. The Church tests the messages received or claimed as received
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in order to discern whether good or evil spirits are responsible for communication. The
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messages must in no way conflict with Catholic teaching or moral principles. The person
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who claims to have received. Such communication must be characterized by sound common sense,
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and even be undesirous of such occurrences. The effects of the message must
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be good, the recipient having being moved to a holier life, and nothing
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in decent, shameful or contrary to Christian standards. And finally, the person
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asks, spirits have told spiritualists that we shall not see God face to face,
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and that we shall only have natural happiness, and that we shall only
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have natural happiness in heaven. Is there any truth to this? And they
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answer the ideas of merely natural happiness in heaven is nonsense. The supreme happiness
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of heaven is totally different from any happiness we know on earth. I has
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not seen, nor ear, hath heard what things God hath prepared for them
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who love him. That's from First Corinthians. An eternity of these things we
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know not here, and of life as we experience it would soon become a
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blank misery, and not heaven at all. God himself tells us that we
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shall see him face to face. It is better to believe God, who
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made us, than the spiritualist who would only unmake us as regards to our
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rational nature. And now we will get into the topic of Hell. That
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sounds very pleasant, doesn't it. Well, it's not, but it's very
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important to know. So Father Spirago wrote of Hell, Hell is the abode
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of everlasting torment. The unhappy rich Man of the Gospel prayed Abraham to send
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one from the dead to his brethren, that they may not come to this
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place of torments. That's in Luke sixteen twenty eight. Frankly, I think
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that's more of a parable about purgatory, but we'll talk about that another time.
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And I say that because the dead and Hell are completely turned in on
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themselves, not caring for anyone else, and unable to communicate with those in
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heaven. So even though it was traditionally taught that the rich man was in
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Hell, it makes not a lot of sense. Actually, and many,
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well many Catholic writers have come to the same conclusion I've drawn. In his
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Discourse on the General Judgment, Christ speaks of Hell as everlasting punishment, everlasting,
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not just a place of torment. So Matthew twenty five, forty six.
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Hell is both a place and a state. Traditionally it has been seen
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as situated beneath the earth. You know, that's allegorical, just as not
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really in the skies above us. Hell's not really in the earth below us.
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Heaven's right here with us every time we go to mass. You know,
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these are states of being as well as being spiritual places. And you
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can actually absolutely have Hell on earth if you're possessed by demons and an evil
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person. And I think, I mean you look at the Nazi concentration camps.
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But anyway, hence the expression of the creed descended into Hell, and
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we call Helen Abyss. In the exorcisms, we find the expression God has
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cast you from the heights of Heaven into the bowels of the earth. Hell
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is sharply defined from heaven between It is a yawning chasm. That's Luke sixteen
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twenty six. The loss are separated from the saints, the Matthew twenty four
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fifty one. And so of course the rich man wouldn't be able to speak
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with Abraham, you know, with good reasons. Saint John Christausom extorts us,
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exhorts us not to inquire so much as to where Hell is as to
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how to avoid it. Hell is a state, and moreover the continuation of
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the same state in which the sinner is found in death Thus, says Saint
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John Damascene, the pains of Hell are not do so much, are not
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so much? Are due not so much to God as to man himself.
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Since Hell is a state, it is quite clear that the evil spirits may
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be near to us. You know. That's that's why I don't like for
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people to think of Hell as being you know, under the ground, and
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Heaven is being up in the sky. The the the demons are here with
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us now, and the angels are here with us now, and the saints
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are here with us now. And you know, Saint Padre Pio said,
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if we could see what he saw, he said, there's so many angels
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and demons vying for our souls that they would blot out the sun better.
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I think much better to have a spiritual understanding of the reality than a cartoonish
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idea. You know, that's just just me this way. I think you
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might disagree. And you know, Father Spiago, obviously I would have disagreed
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on this point, and I would have deferred to him as being much more
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learned than I am. So he was referencing One Peter five eight, and
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he says that the evil spirits may be near to us, and even dwelling
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sinners Matthew twelve forty five. Even pagans believed in hell. Hints the story
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of Tantalus condemned to Tantalus, I guess condemned to suffer perpetual hunger and thirst,
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and I am able to satisfy either, because the water which he tried
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to drink with the fruits which he attempted to eat withdrew from his lips.
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The danny I have so much trouble with these words d danaids. Danny Ds
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condemned to draw water from with in sieves, and sis forced ever to push
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the great rock up the top of the hill, only to see it roll
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down again furnish other examples of this belief. The torments of hell are terrible,
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for the damn never see God. They are in the company of evil
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spirits, and in fire they endure great anguish of mind, and after the
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resurrection will have to suffer in their bodies. Saint Paul said, it's a
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fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God Hebrews ten thirty one.
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Saint John of the Cross teaches us that as one hundredfold has promised for
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every sacrifice that has made so for every unlawful pleasure indulged in one hundredfold penalty
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must be paid. Saint John Christostom applies the words of Saint Paul in Heaven
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to describe Hell. Neither I have seen, nor ear, hath heard,
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nor hath it entered into the heart of man to conceive what God has prepared
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for them who love Him or not one Corinthians two nine. Christ calls Hell
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an unquenchable fire Mark ninety four, because the station of burning is the greatest
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pain which a man can conceive of of an earth. In other places,
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he speaks of outer darkness, because the dam never see God, the source
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of eternal light Matthew twenty two thirteen Matthew eight twelve. He says it's a
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place where there's weeping and gnashing of teeth, the worm never dies Mark nine
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forty three, and conscience never ceases to reproach the damn. Christ also speaks
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of the loss as bound hand and foot, to show that they have no
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freedom and are on a place of banishment. From the words used by Christ
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to the dam depart from me into everlasting fire, we learned that they have
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a double pain. They are banished from the vision of God, pain of
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loss, and condemned to suffer the torment of pain, suffer torment, pain
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of sense. The pain of loss is the greatest of the suffering, of
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the sufferings of hell. The greater the value of what is lost, the
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greater is the pain of the loss. The damned have lost what is of
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infinite worth. Hence their pain is infinite, says Saint Alfonsis how keenly does
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he suffer who is cut off from the sight of beauty and the creation of
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creation by blindness? Yet how much greater is the suffering of he who is
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deprived of the sight of infinite beauty of God. Saint Saint John Damascene.
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The possession of God, the highest good, is the end of every rational
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being. It is the evident. It is evident. This is evident from
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the way in which man in this life strives after the greatest happiness. This
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longing increases after death, for the things of the earth no longer distract the
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mind, nor can they give any satisfaction. What an awful fate if this
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longing can never, throughout a turnity be satisfied. And the words of Saint
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Augustine is right that he who rejects God should be rejected of God. The
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sorrow of Esau and the loss of his father's blessing is but a type of
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the sorrow of the damn. For the loss of the vision of God.
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The saints have trembled at the mere thought of this loss. The damned have
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no communication with the blessed. They may see them as the rich man soul
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life Tazatrus. They see them not to their joy, but to their sorrows,
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says Saint Vincent, for rare. They see them as hungry. They
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see them as a hungry man looks on a plenteous table which he may not
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touch. Besides this, the damned have much to suffer from evil spirits,
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and it is meet that those who sided with and subjected themselves to the evil
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spirits on earth should be in their company after death. We are warned in
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the Book of Job and in the case of the possessed person of the Gospel,
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how cruel the devil is when he has a little power. What an
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awful experience it must be to be damned in hell, where devil has where
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the devil has full power. The damned in hell calls one another great suffering,
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for they hate one another. In that region of hatred of God,
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there is no love of God. Hence the number in Hell only increase its
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torments. Moreover, fire, we're torture the lost souls. They shall be
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sunk in fire like fish in the sea, says said Alfonsis. And we
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learn from the teaching of Christ Come sixteen twenty four. And the Holy foloer
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say this fire is a real fire. Even on Earth, God punished the
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punished by fire the sins of Sodo Ingemara. If, says Saint Bellerman,
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the soul can be united to the body so as to suffer in company with
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it, so can the soul be reached by this avenging fire. It is
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so much, is it so much beyond almighty power, that God could not
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call into being all those sensations in the soul which the latter had while in
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the body. It is probable also that the fire of Hell is not like
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the fire we know on earth. Our fire destroys that if Hell does not
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consumed, but rather preserves as salt preserves meat. That's Mark ninety eight.
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Our fire gives light, while in hell there's darkness. Matthew twenty two thirteen.
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Our fire warms, while the fire of hell is accompanied by an insupportable
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cold. And moreover, it is much more painful our fire, says Saint
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Vincent, for rare is cold in comparison with that of hell. The souls
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suffer also from continual remorse of conscience. The loss are given up to despair.
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They recognize what fools they were to reject God's grace so often and prefer
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a passing pleasure to eternal happiness. How unhappy they are in losing forever what
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God who loved them, That God who loved them so much, And their
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shame is ever present, for their sins or revealed to all, and those
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who they despised and laughed to scorn on earth are now in honor. They
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will be tortured with envy, says Saint Anthony, for they will envy the
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blessed their glory. Our experience on earth teaches us that mental suffering us often
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greater than bodily pain. Suicide confirms this. After the resurrection, the loss
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will have to suffer also in the body. They shall come forth to the
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resurrection of judgment John five twenty nine. All their senses will receive punishment.
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The sight by darkness, the hearing by the way and cursing of others lost
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souls Matthew eight twelve. The taste by hunger Luke six twenty five, and
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thirst Luke sixt' twenty four. So it was sixteen twenty four, the smell
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by the unbearable stench, and the sense of touch by the torture of heat
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and cold. Other pains may be added. For instance, we weeded of
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wicked men whose bodies were devoured by worms in Acts twelve twenty three. The
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tortures of the damned are eternal. Satan with his followers is cast into a
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pool fire and brimstone, where he will be tormented day and night forever.
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That's from Revelations twenty ten, or apocalypse as they used to call it.
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In hell, there is no redemption, for the day of grace is gone
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John three thirty six. Life in hell is everlasting death or second death Apocalypse
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twenty one to eight. For a life without joy and full of torture is
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rather death than life, Oh death, says innocent the third. How sweet
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would what'st thou be to those two whom thou works so bitter? Christ tells
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us that the pains in Hell are eternal. He caused the fire of Hell
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an everlasting fire in Matthew twenty five forty one. The torment of Hell eternal
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in Matthew twenty five forty six. So two teaches the Church and the Council
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of Trent. The error attributed to origin around two hundred and fifty four AD
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that the punishment of Hell came to an end was condemned by the Church at
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the Council of Constantinople. Eternal woe is due to him who destroys in himself
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eternal good, says Saint Augustine. Our judges on Earth inflict lifelong punishment on
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criminals, and even a sentence of death. The torments of the damned are
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not all alike, but very according to sin. The punishments of Hell are
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not allikes as the Council of Florence. According to Saint Thomas, they are
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as various as the sins committed on Earth. They depend on the nature,
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number, and gravity of the sin. Those who have lived in pleasures will
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be punished by a corresponding amount of suffering and torment. That's from Revelations eighteen
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seven. I believe the inhabitants of Sodom and Gamara will have a lighter judgment
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than the city which rejected the apostles. Matthew ten fifteen. The souls who
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die in mortal sin go to Hell. By grave sin, a man cuts
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himself off from God, and in that state it's like a branch broken off
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from Christ Divine, which withers and is cast in the fire. John fifteen
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six. The souls of those who die in mortal sin go into Hell.
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Council of Lyon, in particular, the following go to hell. The enemies
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of Christ. That's from Psalms, all those who refuse to believe in the
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Gospel John three eighteen. The impure, thieves, covetousness, railers Corinthians six
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' ten, all who have neglected the talents given to them by God Matthew
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twenty five thirty. Many who are among the first on earth Matthew nineteen thirty.
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Those two who die with only original sin on their souls, that being
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the unbaptized. But actually the church is clarified. It's teaching on that.
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You know, one has to in order to send know what they're doing sinful
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and make a conscious, conscious decision to do it. So when you're talking
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about like someone who's severely mentally ill or something right, but who's never been
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baptized. God's going to judge that person very differently than he would, you
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know, someone who knows what they're doing and did a cruelty or something.
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But anyway, we don't need to worry about that too much. And of
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course there was also the whole controversy over limbo and you know, unbaptized children
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all that. Since then, the Blessed version Mary has informed us that she
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personally takes the souls of children to heaven, so we don't have to worry
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about that anymore. And then he says, a single mortal sin, done,
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however secretly, is enough to send a man to a perdition. Sinners
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begin their hell even here on earth. The wicked are like the raging sea,
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which can never rest. It's from Isaiah. Every sinner sits in darkness
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and in the shadow of death. That's Luke one seventy nine to him the
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Lessons of religion or folly for Corinthians two fourteen, it is in the hour
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of death that the worldling will awaken to his misery. At present, he
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feels it is not because he's distracted by a thousand things. Think often about
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Hell. The thought will keep us from sin often go down to Hell in
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thy lifetime, that thou mayest not have to go after death, said Saint
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Bernard. He who despises Hell or forgets it, says Saint John Christostan,
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will not escape it. So we will leave that remarkably unpleasant topic there.
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But of course it's one we need to think about and meditate on frequently.
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It's one we need to know about. We want to go to heaven and
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not to Hell. I mean, it is a binary choice. Thank God.
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We also have purgatory, where we can work through the penance for our
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venial sins or things of which we were ignorant. You know, we'll talk
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about that next time. And actually, whereas we would all love to just
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go straight to heaven and be saints, it is purgatory is a wonderful doctrine
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and a great blessing and a very great reason for me too in this one,
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as I always do, with a quote from Saint Padre Pio, pray,
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hope and don't worry, pray and work. In fact, as Saint
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Benedict of Nurse you have said, do you know, do your best and
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follow the teachings of the church as best you can, and go to frequent
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confession, and you'll have a lot better chance of getting to Heaven, most
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likely through purgatory, and then you will go of going to hell. And
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I mean, that's the gift God has given us. So yeah, absolutely
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there's a lot of reason for hoping this. See, y'all, I'm about
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I'm about worn out out of breath and I'm gonna wrap it up here.
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Have a good one and I'll talk to you next time.