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Killer Clown Guns Down Young Mom Answering Door: Why is The Suspect Now Walking Free? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I hope you're sitting down.
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Speaker 1: You may need to lay down for this. A woman
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Speaker 1: dressed as a clown with flowers in balloons guns down
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Speaker 1: the wife of her lover. When the wife answers the
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Speaker 1: front door, and guess what, the so called clown killer
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Speaker 1: is walking free. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. A Florida woman dubbed
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Speaker 1: the killer clown after she murders the wife of a
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Speaker 1: man she later marries, has walked out of prison. Okay,
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Speaker 1: there's just so much to unpack right there. Why would
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Speaker 1: he marry a woman that killed his wife, even if
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Speaker 1: he's no longer in love with the Why would you
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Speaker 1: marry her? What about your children? What are they supposed
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Speaker 1: to think now? The so called female killer clown walked
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Speaker 1: free for years before she was finally apprehended, and now
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Speaker 1: she walks free again. Is there no justice? What is
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Speaker 1: going on in Florida? Okay, let's start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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Speaker 2: What do you remember of May twenty sixth, nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 3: I remember that being one of the most terrible days
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Speaker 3: of my life.
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Speaker 2: You're in the house with your mom, right, Yes, what's
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Speaker 2: going on? Well, a typical morning.
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Speaker 4: She and I were cooking breakfast that morning, joking Karen.
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Speaker 2: On did Marlene have any enemies in this world?
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Speaker 1: None?
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Speaker 2: Everybody loved her.
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Speaker 3: She is my everything, a mom, my friend, She was
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Speaker 3: my everything. I was in the living room.
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Speaker 5: I sat down in the eaves.
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Speaker 4: There was a balloon and some clown coming at the door.
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Speaker 1: Look at that client.
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Speaker 5: She was going to that door. She was excited.
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Speaker 2: When your mother opened the door, did she say something?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 1: How pretty well?
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Speaker 3: At first we thought maybe it was a balloon opped,
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Speaker 3: but when we saw our fall, we knew something was
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Speaker 3: definitely seriously wrong.
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Speaker 4: We had no clue what was going on. It was
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Speaker 4: like the whole world was in slow emotion.
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Speaker 2: Did the clown say anything, nothing, not a word.
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Speaker 4: The clown slowly walked back to the car like no
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Speaker 4: care in the world.
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Speaker 1: The clown slowly walked back to the car, not a
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Speaker 1: care in the world. The clown didn't speak, The voice
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Speaker 1: was never heard. I was just listening to this son
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Speaker 1: talk about his mother. I was just thinking about you
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Speaker 1: grow up with your mother, and they had to think
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Speaker 1: your mother, essentially your world at a young age, goes
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Speaker 1: to the door and gets shot dead again. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nations Series XM with me an all star panel,
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Speaker 1: and boy do we need a panel on this one.
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Speaker 1: Kirk Nermi is with me, renowned trial lawyer who represented
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Speaker 1: Jody Arius at trial, author of Trapped with Miss Arias
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold, well known psychiatrist, joining us
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Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jeff Cortesi, former FBI Special Agent.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, joining us from
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Speaker 1: Erie County mm's office. That's Buffalo. George skiro DNA technical leader,
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Speaker 1: lab director at Scales Biological Laboratory, Inc. But right now
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Speaker 1: to Crime Online dot Com, I'm an investigative reporter. Levi Page, Levi.
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Speaker 1: I want to start at the beginning, when Marlene Warren
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Speaker 1: goes to the door, tell me what happened.
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Speaker 7: So, Nancy, this is in Wellington, Florida, Palm Beach County,
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Speaker 7: and it's nineteen ninety it's a Memorial Day weekend, and
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Speaker 7: forty year old Marlene Warren, she was eating breakfast with
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Speaker 7: her son and his friends. They were in their early
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Speaker 7: twenties and the doorbell rings. She got up to answer it,
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Speaker 7: and she opened the door and there was a clown
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Speaker 7: that had a flower arrangement and balloons. And that's not
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Speaker 7: all he had. He had a gun, pulled it out
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Speaker 7: and I say he meaning a clown, you think of
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Speaker 7: a He and shot Marlene Warren dead shot her in
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Speaker 7: the face, then got into a white Chrysler convertible and
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Speaker 7: left the scene. Marlene Warren died two days later in
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Speaker 7: the hospital.
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Speaker 1: There's so many questions, just rickcheting off the inside of
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Speaker 1: my mind right now, because you know, if you look
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Speaker 1: at this Jeff Cortesi for or FBI, she's so clearly
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Speaker 1: targeted because the person walks up to the door, rings
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Speaker 1: the doorbell, she answers the shooter, and then walk back
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Speaker 1: to the car. This isn't a drive by shooting. It's
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Speaker 1: not a rape, it's not a burglary, it's not a robbery.
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Speaker 1: She is targeted. Not only that the killer clown takes
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Speaker 1: great efforts to cover their identity. They never utter a word,
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Speaker 1: which means they don't want their voice to be heard.
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Speaker 1: This has to be someone that knows her, or is
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Speaker 1: obsessed with her, or has been watching her. And my
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Speaker 1: guess would be she knows them too. Agree or disagree?
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Speaker 8: No, absolutely agree.
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Speaker 6: This is a cold, calculated and well thought out I mean,
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Speaker 6: the steps that were taken to shield the identity of
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Speaker 6: the shooter from anybody around were very well planned out,
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Speaker 6: and all indications are that these two people would know
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Speaker 6: each other.
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Speaker 1: The first thing I would be doing is trying to
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Speaker 1: get the make and model of that vehicle that the
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Speaker 1: killer was driving, and going to every grocery store in
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Speaker 1: about a ten to fifteen mile vicinity that sales balloons
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Speaker 1: or flowers. You know, there's always that balloon and flower
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Speaker 1: section typically in grocery stores. Definitely flowers, first move, and
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Speaker 1: looking for forensics. For all I know, the clown was
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Speaker 1: wearing gloves. Take a listen. Now you are hearing Peter
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Speaker 1: van Zana at forty eight hours. This is Alexandra Stone
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Speaker 1: at k ETV. Listen.
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Speaker 9: Marlene Warren was in her Aero Club community home with
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Speaker 9: her adult sign and some of his friends. They were
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Speaker 9: eating breakfast when they noticed someone at their front door.
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Speaker 9: Marlene answered it, revealing a person dressed as a clown
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Speaker 9: holding two balloons and a basket of flowers. A witness
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Speaker 9: who was present at the time recall what happened next
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Speaker 9: in a police interview, saying mar Orlene made a remark like,
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Speaker 9: you know, oh how nice, you know and everything.
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Speaker 1: She was happy about it, and when she went to reach.
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Speaker 9: And grab for it, he just shot her in the
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Speaker 9: mouth twice.
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Speaker 1: The witnesses that the scene said that the clown just
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Speaker 1: turned around, walked back to the car, got into the
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Speaker 1: white price of the baron, and just drove away very calmly.
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Speaker 1: A chrys a little bear in color white. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela.
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Speaker 1: The fact that this woman, this mother, was shot twice
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Speaker 1: in the mouth. Now, I know a lot of people
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Speaker 1: think that that's just let me just say by accident,
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Speaker 1: not that the shooting is by accident, but that the
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Speaker 1: shooting in the mouth, I think it's on purpose.
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Speaker 10: But shot in the mouth, it was very much on purpose.
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Speaker 10: The clown wanted to distigure. The clown wanted to make
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Speaker 10: sure that she was dead. It was very thought out
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Speaker 10: and calculated. It's always is one where someone shooting.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm talking about the fact that she was shot
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Speaker 1: in the mouth, not just shot in the chest or
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Speaker 1: the head, but she was shot twice in the mouth,
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Speaker 1: and I find that very very significant to correct. Nurmi,
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Speaker 1: you represented Jody Arius. She shot Travis Alexander. I know
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Speaker 1: you said she didn't fine have it your way, but
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Speaker 1: he was stabbed twenty nine times, I think, and shot
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Speaker 1: in the head. It's significant when the shooter picks the head,
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Speaker 1: the face in this case, the mouth in which they
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Speaker 1: shoot the victim. And I think in your case, Areas
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Speaker 1: was at close range to Travis Alexander, she knew she
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Speaker 1: was shooting him in the head. In this case, the
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Speaker 1: clown was at close range. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it just feels like there ain't no justice.
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Speaker 1: A jealous mistress dresses up like a clown and delivers flowers, balloons,
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Speaker 1: and a bullet to the wife of her lover as
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Speaker 1: the wife mother. That's right, This wife is a mother,
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Speaker 1: answers the front a door. And now, in their wisdom,
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Speaker 1: the Florida Justice officials have released her. Sheila Keene One
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Speaker 1: pled guilty to second degree murder after she admits she
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Speaker 1: dressed up like a clown, even clutching balloons and flowers
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Speaker 1: in hand, and gunning down a woman shooting her in
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Speaker 1: the face on the doorstep of her own home. But
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Speaker 1: just eighteen months after that guilty plea, she walks free. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she's out of jail. What happened that faithful day? Marlene
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Speaker 1: Warren goes to the door. She thinks she's getting a surprise,
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Speaker 1: flowers and balloons. What she gets a surprise? All right?
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Speaker 1: She gets shot dead twice in the mouth. Normie, don't
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Speaker 1: you think your client? Jody aris aside, it is significant
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Speaker 1: when someone is shot close range, specifically in the mouth.
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Speaker 1: That is a deep psychological uh, it's a neon sign
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Speaker 1: to me.
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Speaker 11: Well, it certainly adds a personal anger element to it. Right,
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Speaker 11: It's not just a matter of killing. It's a matter
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Speaker 11: of disfiguring, naming, and making sure that person life and
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Speaker 11: their deaths will never be the same. It is a
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Speaker 11: intensely personal way of shooting someone.
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Speaker 1: Well, another thing pointing at the mouth. You want to
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Speaker 1: make sure she Marlene Warren never says another word. But
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Speaker 1: why to doctor Catherine Maloney, deputy medical examiner joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Erie County, Buffalo, Is there any way a
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Speaker 1: person could live if they have been shot front to
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Speaker 1: back in the mouth.
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Speaker 12: It would really depend on the trajectory of the bullet.
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Speaker 7: So if the bullet goes straight.
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Speaker 12: Front to back such that it hits the base of
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Speaker 12: the brain, then the person will definitely die because you
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Speaker 12: require the bottom part of your brain to stay alive.
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Speaker 12: If instead, however, the bullet manages to either go to
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Speaker 12: the right or the left, you know, sort of towards
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Speaker 12: through the side of the head, it's possible that the
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Speaker 12: person could survive, but it would be a very long
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Speaker 12: and prolonged process to kind of put them back together again.
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Speaker 1: To Levipage climbonline dot Com investigative reporter, do we know
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Speaker 1: whether the clown was wearing gloves?
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Speaker 7: We don't know that for sure, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So To George Skiro, DNA really on the forefront of
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Speaker 1: DNA Forensic Scientists, Lab Director Scales Biological Labs, George Skiro,
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Speaker 1: if she's when Marlene goes to the door, she opens
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Speaker 1: the door. If the clown is wearing gloves, what's the
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Speaker 1: likelihood we're going to get any DNA off the balloons
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Speaker 1: of the flowers.
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Speaker 13: Now, Mancy, it depends on the person who was dressed
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Speaker 13: as the clown handled the items beforehand without gloves, then
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Speaker 13: there may be some DNA present. But of course in
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Speaker 13: order to do that, you have to find the gloves,
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Speaker 13: and you need to find the person so that you
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Speaker 13: could then compare the DNA to that person.
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Speaker 1: Well, another issue is if the clown went and bought
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Speaker 1: the flowers and the balloons, say in the grocery store,
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Speaker 1: would they have been wearing the gloves at the time
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Speaker 1: of the purchase. Their DNA could be on the balloons,
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Speaker 1: could be on the flowers. What would that be touch DNA.
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Speaker 13: Yes, that would be touched DNA where someone's DNA is
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Speaker 13: transferred basically from the skin on their hands to the
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Speaker 13: items that they're handling.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen now to Peter van Zandt At
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours.
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Speaker 14: Joe was living at home and his friends were over
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Speaker 14: that morning, including Jeannie Pratt, who helped ten to Marlene
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Speaker 14: a neighbor called nine one one.
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Speaker 4: I was right next to her and I rolled her
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Speaker 4: tour side. Was a big hole in her cheek and
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Speaker 4: up a lip.
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Speaker 14: Joe, hobbled by a broken leg and cast followed the clown.
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Speaker 14: Outside the shooter's car, a white Chrysler le Baron was
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Speaker 14: parked in the driveway.
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Speaker 3: The car was right here. The door was open, the
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Speaker 3: car was running. I tried to get the clown to
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Speaker 3: turn around. I call him every word in the book.
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Speaker 5: The shooter looked back.
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Speaker 14: Joe saw white and red clown makeup, a fuzzy orange wig,
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Speaker 14: and the eyes of the person who had just shot
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Speaker 14: his mother.
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Speaker 3: Just really dark brown eyes.
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Speaker 5: The shooter calmly got in the car and drove away.
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Speaker 3: Didn't even squeal a tire, just drove off like nothing happened.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI
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Speaker 1: special agent, I.
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Speaker 8: Mean it tells me that there was a lot of
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Speaker 8: thought that was put into this. I mean, when you
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Speaker 8: put yourself in a high stress situation, you know, the
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Speaker 8: world starts to shrink around you, the heart rate starts going,
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Speaker 8: you get tunnel vision, et cetera. In order to overcome that,
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Speaker 8: it takes either a great amount of training in high
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Speaker 8: stress situations and a great amount of planning. So this
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Speaker 8: was somebody who did not allow the events taking place
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Speaker 8: to change or manipulate the behavior beyond what they had
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Speaker 8: intended to do, and that was remain calm and cool
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Speaker 8: and get in and out and it was it's cold.
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Speaker 1: In the theory, I find that pretty bold, pretty brace
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Speaker 1: and not to even run. If I had just murdered somebody,
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Speaker 1: I would at least run to get away. Here's Peter
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Speaker 1: van sant Listen.
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Speaker 15: Investigators had very little to work with initially.
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Speaker 5: Daphne Durett of the Palm Beach Post.
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Speaker 15: They knew that the shooter sped off in a white
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Speaker 15: Chrysler LeBaron. What they also knew was that the shooter
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Speaker 15: had brown eyes.
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Speaker 14: Because of all the makeup and the costume, Joe couldn't
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Speaker 14: even be sure if the shooter was a man or
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Speaker 14: a woman, which left police with a problem.
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Speaker 5: There's a thing called a bolo. What is a bolo?
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Speaker 15: A bolo is an acronym for be on the lookout,
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Speaker 15: and in this case, the bolo was for someone dressed
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Speaker 15: in a clown costume.
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Speaker 5: It was not a lot to go on.
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Speaker 1: Man, you're not kidding. A bolo be able to look
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Speaker 1: out for in person dressed a clown costume. So let
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Speaker 1: me ask you this Levi page Clime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Tell me who was in the home at the time
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Speaker 1: of the shooting.
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Speaker 7: So there was Marlene Warren her Son and some of
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Speaker 7: his friends, a girlfriend and some of his friends. Neighbors
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Speaker 7: said that after the shooting, some of his friends were
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Speaker 7: running out of the house, frantic and scared.
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Speaker 1: On one of the balloons it was written You're the Greatest,
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Speaker 1: while the other had snow white painted on it. The
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Speaker 1: clown was wearing one of those wigs, the fuzzy haired
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Speaker 1: wigs bright orange. So the only identifier is that the
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Speaker 1: killer has brown eyes. I would immediately begin canvassing the
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Speaker 1: area for who may have sold those balloons and flowers.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 14: Other investigators continued trying to find where the flower arrangement
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Speaker 14: and balloons were purchased. Once said You're the great and
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Speaker 14: the other one had snow white and the seven dwarfs.
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Speaker 15: On it right, so they had these two very distinctive balloons.
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Speaker 14: Police learned that those balloons were distinctive enough that they
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Speaker 14: could link them back to a specific supermarket.
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Speaker 16: The balloons and flowers left at the doorstep of the
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Speaker 16: murder scene were purchased at this public's. The buyer described
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Speaker 16: as a white female with dark brown hair.
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Speaker 5: Dark brown hair.
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Speaker 14: Police discovered that purchase was made at nine twenty two am,
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Speaker 14: an hour and a half before the shooting, and the
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Speaker 14: store's location caught their attention.
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Speaker 15: Sheila Keene's home is about a little more than half
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Speaker 15: a mile over here.
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Speaker 1: Who is Sheila Keene? And it's very interesting and I
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Speaker 1: don't doubt it for one minute that the clark remembered
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Speaker 1: selling those particular balloons to a woman, white female with
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Speaker 1: long brown hair. That's what the clerk remembers. Why because
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Speaker 1: one was a snow white balloon and one said you're
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Speaker 1: the greatest. Very ironical that the recipient of the balloons
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Speaker 1: You're the greatest, ends up dead. Now again, you may
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Speaker 1: need to lay down for this. Dave Ehrenberg, the Palm
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Speaker 1: Beach County State's attorney, actually fixed his mouth to say
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Speaker 1: this quote. Sheila Keene Warren will always be an admitted,
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Speaker 1: convicted murderer and will wear that strain for every day
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Speaker 1: for the rest of her life. So what what, She's
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Speaker 1: gonna feel guilty, that's her punishment. I feel bad for
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Speaker 1: murdering someone. Where did he go to law school? Cool?
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Speaker 1: How did this woman escape justice for so long? And
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Speaker 1: yet she escapes it again? That to the beginning. I
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Speaker 1: want to go to Jeff Cortesi, FBI former special agent, Jeff,
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Speaker 1: how do you go about tracking down who sold those balloons?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that. I don't think there
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Speaker 1: was video at the time. So you have to go
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Speaker 1: to every single clerk at every single grocery store.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is a nineteen ninety year on CCTV. Wasn't
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Speaker 8: then what it is now. So it does take a
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Speaker 8: getting out and going from shop to shop and asking
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Speaker 8: the right questions and that is a huge resource dream
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Speaker 8: but that's what it takes sometimes to get the lead
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Speaker 8: you need to take you to the next step.
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Speaker 1: Leavipage crime online dot com. Where is the husband in
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Speaker 1: this scenario?
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Speaker 7: For her husband is Michael Warren, and he ran a
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Speaker 7: used car lot, car rental agency and car reposition repossession business.
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Speaker 1: So he had a car a lot in a repo business.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 14: What police did find in the apartment was hair from
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Speaker 14: the bathroom trash and a stunner more orange fibers on
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Speaker 14: clothing inside she lives home. A police criminologist compared the
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Speaker 14: samples of human hair and the orange fibers from the
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Speaker 14: car and the apartment and in both cases concluded the
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Speaker 14: samples were similar. So this sounds like something boy, you
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Speaker 14: could put this in front of a jury and potentially
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Speaker 14: get a conviction.
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Speaker 15: You could or maybe you couldn't. Similar is not the same.
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Speaker 1: Man, you are so right about that. Similar is not
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Speaker 1: the saying take a listen to our friend Peter van Sample.
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Speaker 14: Four days after the shooting, police got a huge break.
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Speaker 14: They found a white baron maybe this was the getaway car.
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Speaker 15: They find it in the parking lot of a Wen
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Speaker 15: Dixie supermarket.
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Speaker 14: That supermarket is eight miles from the crime scene and
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Speaker 14: nine miles from Sheila Keene's apartment. Inside the car, police
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Speaker 14: found two important clues.
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Speaker 15: They find this orange synthetic hair like.
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Speaker 5: The fibers from a clown wig.
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Speaker 15: They also find strands of brown human.
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Speaker 5: Hair, brown hair like Sheila Keynes.
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Speaker 14: Within hours, police had a warrant to search her apartment.
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Speaker 16: The investigation has turned to the woman who lives here
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Speaker 16: at the Pine Ridge Apartments off Haverhill Road.
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Speaker 5: They didn't find a gun.
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Speaker 14: Sheila's estranged husband told police they owned a thirty eight Revolver,
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Speaker 14: but that Sheila told him she misplaced it about a
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Speaker 14: month before the murder.
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Speaker 1: Misplaced your gun. Remind me to circle back to misplacing
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Speaker 1: your gun. The so much right here, Stop everything. This
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Speaker 1: woman has a whiteless saber. It's abandoned a Wendix parking
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Speaker 1: lot and it's got orange fibers in it and long
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Speaker 1: brown hair in it. That's a coincidence. I don't think so, so,
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Speaker 1: Levi Paige. Why would a completely unknown woman what suddenly
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Speaker 1: dress up like a clown not say a word and
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Speaker 1: gun down Marlane? Who is Sheila King?
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Speaker 6: So?
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Speaker 7: Sheila Keene was twenty six years old in nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 7: She was married, but she worked for Michael Warren and
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Speaker 7: Michael Warren's co workers people that worked for him say
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Speaker 7: that they were having an affair and that she had
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Speaker 7: an apartment that he was paying the rent for.
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Speaker 1: You know what, can you just surprise me one time
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Speaker 1: a co worker? They have an affair according to co workers,
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Speaker 1: and you know you can't keep that kind of thing
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Speaker 1: a secret. Kurt and Army, could you just one time
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Speaker 1: surprise me and it not be a love triangle with
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Speaker 1: your co worker?
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Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 11: I guess not, because that's clearly what the case was here.
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Speaker 11: And we saw we talked about that personalization element before,
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Speaker 11: and we can kind of see that correlation and that
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Speaker 11: puzzle come together.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, Do they really think the co workers
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Speaker 1: don't notice they're sitting in each other's laps and going
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Speaker 1: out for lunch every day together. You think they don't.
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Speaker 10: See that there's got to be some sort of I
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Speaker 10: don't think that they care. I think that they are
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Speaker 10: so into what they're doing that they have convinced themselves
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Speaker 10: that other people around them do not see this behavior.
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Speaker 1: You know, another issue right here to Jeff Cortez, the
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Speaker 1: FBI formers, special agent office workers always know what's happening.
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Speaker 1: They always know. You can't keep that kind of thing
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Speaker 1: a secret. You can't.
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Speaker 8: And just like in you know other situations similar to this,
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Speaker 8: You know, the first place that anybody's going to look
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Speaker 8: as close to the home and then work out. So
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Speaker 8: investigators are going to start close and work out. So
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Speaker 8: when they start close and they identify something like this,
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Speaker 8: you know, a marital infidelity boy, that's going to grab
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Speaker 8: their attention right away. And there's no way to hide
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Speaker 8: that stuff from people.
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Speaker 1: Mairitual infidelity and the white lists. Saber was actually stolen.
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Speaker 1: So in the stolen whiteless Saber found abandoned at a
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Speaker 1: Winding Sea parking lot. What is the likelihood Georgia Sciro,
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Speaker 1: the lab director of Scales Biological Lab, Inc. That You're
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Speaker 1: going to find orange hair from a wig and long
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Speaker 1: brown hair that they say it's similar to what was used,
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Speaker 1: but without the wig, how can they make a comparison?
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Speaker 1: George Giro, Well.
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Speaker 13: Nancy, what they can do is they can take those fibers,
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Speaker 13: those orange fibers, and run a series of chemical and
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Speaker 13: microscopic analyzes on them to determine what their chemical makeup is,
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Speaker 13: what's the structure of the fiber, what type of dye
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Speaker 13: was used, and that can give investigative information, and also
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Speaker 13: the hair itself can also provide some forensic information that
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Speaker 13: might be of value.
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Speaker 1: If that hair is still in evidence, couldn't it be
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Speaker 1: compared even without a root? Couldn't you get mitochondrial DNA
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Speaker 1: from the hair found in the stolen the saber and
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Speaker 1: try to match it up to the mistress.
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Speaker 13: That's correct, Natcy. Mitochondrial DNA would be the type of
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Speaker 13: analysis that would be used to make that type of comparison.
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Speaker 1: So isn't this true? Levi page Clime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter that the neighbors that lived near Shila Kane
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Speaker 1: actually thought that Warren the husband was her husband because
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Speaker 1: he was there all the time.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you are correct, and they spent a lot of
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Speaker 7: time together.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you call it spending time together. I
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Speaker 1: call it something else. But for all the neighbors to
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Speaker 1: think that was Sheila King's husband, the killer clown? Is
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Speaker 1: it the mistress the love rival? What happens after that? Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Unmasked the Killer Clown.
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Speaker 2: Twenty seven years after Mornine Warren is gunned down in
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Speaker 2: the doorway of her Florida home, the Palm Beach Post
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Speaker 2: uncovers a Salatia's secret.
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Speaker 15: What she found out was that Mike Warren and Sheila Keene,
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Speaker 15: the same people who denied having an affair shortly after
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Speaker 15: Marlene Warren was killed, were now husband and wife.
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Speaker 5: Michael gets out of prison early, and what does he do.
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Speaker 15: He seeks out the same woman who was investigated for
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Speaker 15: killing his wife.
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Speaker 1: Think about it.
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Speaker 5: You don't marry a woman.
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Speaker 4: That you suspect that might have killed your wife.
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Speaker 15: Mike Warren married Sheila Kean in Las Vegas in two
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Speaker 15: thousand and two, twelve years after his wife's murder.
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Speaker 1: So he does time on that odometer charge. Remember he
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Speaker 1: works to use car a lot. Convicted of rolling back
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Speaker 1: the o domeiners and tricking customers, gets out, goes straight
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Speaker 1: to Sheila King and marries her. That's pretty strong circumstantial
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Speaker 1: evidence to you, Kirk and Army.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. You have motive, you
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Speaker 11: have you know, evidence of maybe they got married to
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Speaker 11: cover up after the fact they thought they were bringing
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Speaker 11: on privilege, your marital privilege. Who knows, who knows if
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Speaker 11: the husband even knew. But yes, the circumstantial and is
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Speaker 11: piling up in their actions after the fact. Her actions
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Speaker 11: in particular, show of consciousness of yelp, let.
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Speaker 1: Me understand something, Levi Page. The husband was not in
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Speaker 1: jail on the o'dominant charge at the time of the shooting,
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Speaker 1: was he No.
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Speaker 7: He was in That was years later, Nancy, and he
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Speaker 7: served time for that and he actually got out of
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Speaker 7: prison and married Sheila Keene in two thousand and two.
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Speaker 7: And then they moved to Southern Virginia, a community right
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Speaker 7: outside of Kingsport, Tennessee, very upscale community known for retirees
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Speaker 7: moving there, and the mountain was very beautiful and they
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Speaker 7: lived there and shelet by the name Debbie, and they
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Speaker 7: started a restaurant together called the Purple Cow, and apparently
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Speaker 7: they were very well liked.
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Speaker 1: She changed her name. She started going by an alias.
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Speaker 8: Yes, Debbie.
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Speaker 7: She was not going by Sheila.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace Joseph ORNs. That's the mom.
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Speaker 1: Marlene's son was eating breakfast at their Wellington family home
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Speaker 1: with friends that May when a person dressed as a
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Speaker 1: clown rang the doorbell at the front door. His mother
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Speaker 1: got the balloons when she opened the door, and she responded,
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Speaker 1: how nice, just before she was shot in the face.
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Speaker 1: And this monster, this she monster is walking free. Think
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Speaker 1: of all the time and effort she went to to
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Speaker 1: dress up like a clown, even painting her face and
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Speaker 1: wearing some crazy wig to gun down her lover's wife
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Speaker 1: at the front door with the family home. King Warren
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Speaker 1: was long suspected to be the killer clown, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't until twenty seven years later when improved DNA testing
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Speaker 1: actually tied her to evidence found in the getaway car
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Speaker 1: and that led to her arrest. Orange fibers found in
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Speaker 1: the convertible reportedly stolen from Michael's car lot a month
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Speaker 1: before the shooting. Michael as in husband Michael, what else
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Speaker 1: do we know? So they move away from the jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She changes her name. He gets rid of the car
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Speaker 1: a lot and they start a restaurant called the Purple Cow,
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Speaker 1: far far away from the murder. Wow, sounds a little
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Speaker 1: bit like they're on the run. Now, there's another report.
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Speaker 1: At the time of the shooting, he was in fact
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Speaker 1: in a car with the group of guys on the
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Speaker 1: interstate Take a listen now. To unmask the killer clown.
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Speaker 15: The Homage County Sheriff's Office and the Washington County Sheriff's
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Speaker 15: Office of Virginia tracked Michael and Sheila.
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Speaker 5: They were cuted to Vermont for a vacation.
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Speaker 9: He pulled a car over and arrest Sheila.
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Speaker 2: He's sitting in the passenger seat.
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Speaker 5: While she lives in the police car. She asks officers.
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Speaker 1: Questions, why are you arresting me? Are you arresting my husband?
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Speaker 5: Where are you taking me? Are you taking my husband
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Speaker 5: somewhere too?
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Speaker 15: Once police get her into an interrogation room and tell
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Speaker 15: her what the case is about, she tells them that
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Speaker 15: she doesn't want to answer any more questions.
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Speaker 5: And she puts her head down. Sheila Quin is charged
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Speaker 5: with first degree murder and extradited to Palm Beach County.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know. According to the detectives on
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Speaker 1: the case, they say DNA advances since the time of
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Speaker 1: Marlene's murder, combined with other evidence, made this case viable
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Speaker 1: at trial. To George Skiro, a special guest of joining
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Speaker 1: Us at DNA Expert Lab director at the Scales Biological Lab, Inc.
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Speaker 1: George Sciro, what do they mean by advances in DNA technology, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there's been.
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Speaker 13: A lot of advancements in the last several years as
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Speaker 13: far as the DNA analysis goes. However, in this case,
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Speaker 13: mitochondrial DNA analysis is for forensic cases has probably been
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Speaker 13: around since the mid nineties, So unless they use some
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Speaker 13: of the newer genetic genealogy technologies in this case, it
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Speaker 13: seems like it's pretty much standard mitochondrial.
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Speaker 1: DNA in this What we are learning is that the
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Speaker 1: killer clown investigators used DNA from hair samples to make
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Speaker 1: a cold case arrest. Because at one moment, the alleged killer,
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Speaker 1: the mistress, Sheila Keene Warren, is on her way to
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Speaker 1: visit her mom in Vermont. The next minute, she has
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Speaker 1: been handcuffed and plays in the back of a Virginia
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's cruiser. She's saying, where am I going, why am
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Speaker 1: I under arrest? She's sitting back there in her jeans
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Speaker 1: and flip flops. When she's told she's under arrest because
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Speaker 1: of a murder, she immediately puts her head down and
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Speaker 1: refuses to answer any further questions. Now, this is what
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Speaker 1: we know DNA based on hair samples. Again to George Sciro,
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Speaker 1: the lab director Skills Biological Labs, Inc. Try to explain
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Speaker 1: that to me and regular people talk when we say
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Speaker 1: hair samples have managed to solve a twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old cold case murder by a killer clown of all things,
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Speaker 1: what are they saying.
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Speaker 13: Wellncy, what they're saying is that this mitochondrial DNA that
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Speaker 13: was found in the hair samples in the vehicle match
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Speaker 13: the mitochondrial DNA profile of Sheila Key Warren. And this
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Speaker 13: is not like the normal type of DNA that we
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Speaker 13: hear about every day. This one isn't as specific because
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Speaker 13: it's passed along maternal lines within the family.
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Speaker 1: We also know now that the clown was absolutely wearing gloves,
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Speaker 1: a bulb nose, and a painted smile over a white face.
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Speaker 1: We also know that a pistol was the murder weapon.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, But if I had
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Speaker 1: a gun, I don't think I would misplace it. The
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Speaker 1: only person I've ever heard of misplacing, not that it
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Speaker 1: was stolen, but misplaced a gun was Robert Blake, who
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Speaker 1: was acquitted by a jury in the murder of his wife,
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Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Well he killed her just I hope
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Speaker 1: the jury hears that. But I've never heard of another
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Speaker 1: case where a weapon was misplaced. That's what she says.
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Speaker 1: We know to take us collected samples of Sheila Keane's hair,
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Speaker 1: vials of her blood, and a search warrant because she
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Speaker 1: was a suspect at the time. Now, when her apartment
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Speaker 1: was searched, LEEVI page what was found in the apartment
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Speaker 1: that can help me out on this DNA comparison.
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Speaker 7: So, the found fibers that were red that was consistent
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Speaker 7: with the red part of a wig of a clown
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Speaker 7: inside of her apartment.
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Speaker 1: We know that there was a court ordered search of
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Speaker 1: her home. In the apartment, there were fibers from a
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Speaker 1: bright orange wig, not the wig, but fibers and clothing
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Speaker 1: that police were checking from bloodstains. Similar bright red orange
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Speaker 1: fibers were found in the stolen the Saber, the FBI
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Speaker 1: Crime Lab, that's where you come in, Jeff Cortesi, the
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Speaker 1: FBI Crime Lab say matches were made to fibers collected
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Speaker 1: from the getaway car through a precise DNA connection, that
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Speaker 1: Sheila Keane is a possible source of the hairs. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean to you?
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Speaker 8: That means that they are connecting the car to the suspect,
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Speaker 8: the way to the suspect. It is one more piece
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Speaker 8: in a chain of evidence that Moore completely tells a
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Speaker 8: story that gives the prosecutors a little bit more confident.
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Speaker 1: Is it truly vi Page that almost fifty four thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars life insurance policy was paid to Michael Warren at
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Speaker 1: the death of his wife.
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Speaker 7: That is true, Nancy, that there was a life insurance
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Speaker 7: about fifty grand that was awarded to him after she
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Speaker 7: was murdered. Nancy, But he has not faced any charges
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Speaker 7: in the murder of his wife, just Chilie Keene.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's often said no system is perfect, and
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Speaker 1: this case certainly proves it. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend.