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Angus, Thongs, and Perfect Snogging with Kate Cheka · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast. The questions ask if movies have.
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  Speaker 3: so we'll see you there and enjoy this episode. Dear
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  Speaker 3: Diary slash, Dear Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Caitlyn, it's me your diary. Y.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love my cat angus and I love boys.
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  Speaker 1: And that sounds probably like that's it pretty much. I
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  Speaker 1: would not want to hear about you having any sort
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  Speaker 1: of hobby or interests that would suck. Oh thank god. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Kat is Angus is a hobby. Angus seems
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  Speaker 1: like a full time job.
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  Speaker 3: He's a fully developed character as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: He's a piece of work. He's a real piece of work.
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  Speaker 1: He's the protagonist. Yeah, I mean the titular tituler. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what cat actor they had on this,
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  Speaker 1: but what a star? Whoa he was taking direction? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that. I mean, I'm sure that there was
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  Speaker 1: like a fake cat in there at some point, but
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like he was really owning the space.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, every thing I saw on screen that resembled a
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  Speaker 3: cat seemed like a real cat.
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  Speaker 1: It was that cat. And it's I like, I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about animal acting on the show before, and like,
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  Speaker 1: what are the ethics of it? And then occasionally there's
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  Speaker 1: a born star and you're just like, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to tell that guy to get off stage. He clearly
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  Speaker 1: belongs there.
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  Speaker 3: A star is born and it's not Lady Gaga. It
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  Speaker 3: is Angus.
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  Speaker 1: The cat cat rip to him maybe is kind of
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  Speaker 1: an old movie.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, sad, but come to the cat. Sad but true, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: welcome My name is Caitlin Deronte.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast
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  Speaker 1: where we talk about your favorite movies using an intersectional
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  Speaker 1: feminist lens, using the Bechdel test as a jumping off
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  Speaker 1: point for discussion. But Caitlin, what the hell is that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: We didn't. I think the whole beginning of it, for example,
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  Speaker 1: didn't pass because we were talking about the Kale cat.
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  Speaker 3: Well, cats don't have gen or so I think talking
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  Speaker 3: about a cat is not talking about a man, a
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  Speaker 3: human man. I think that would say.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that Angus has a very masculine energy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he is intense, but he's also so freaking chill.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see the scene where the little sister's putting
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  Speaker 3: spaghetti on his head.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the real cat? I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how was this real cat like spaghetti trained? You're like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell? And yeah, he does like et also
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  Speaker 1: very gender fluid with the dress. Yes, wears all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of outfits. Okay, okay, point taking.
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  Speaker 3: And Georgia, the main character is always like stop dressing
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  Speaker 3: Angus and drag.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Georgia has a lot of issues with gender that
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to. Georgia has to answer for her crimes
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  Speaker 1: and it's like leave angus out of it. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that did pass the Bechtel test. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And when you say that, what do you mean? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's just a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel.
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  Speaker 3: There are many versions of the tests. The one that
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  Speaker 3: we use is do two characters of a mo originalized
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  Speaker 3: gender have names? Do they speak to each other? And
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  Speaker 3: is it about something other than a man for two
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  Speaker 3: lines of dialogue or a like substantial meatia conversation. So
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  Speaker 3: that's the Bechdel test. We will I'm not really sure
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  Speaker 3: about this one.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there, but yeah, I think it's a softy
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  Speaker 1: as but not as much as you'd want. Yes, all
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  Speaker 1: things considered.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I want to point out listeners that we are
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  Speaker 3: recording in person for the first time in ages.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird because we have a guest visiting us all
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  Speaker 1: the way from the UK. Ever heard of it?
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  Speaker 3: And stare We're all like breathing the same air right now,
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  Speaker 3: and so let's bring her in.
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  Speaker 1: She's a comedian.
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  Speaker 3: You may have seen her at our live Shrek Tannic
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  Speaker 3: show in Manchester, UK. Ever heard of that?
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  Speaker 5: It's Kate cheka, welcome, Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, you really had to like sit through us doing
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  Speaker 1: that whole thing, didn't you.
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  Speaker 5: I really enjoyed it there.
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  Speaker 4: This is why I flew all the way for it
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  Speaker 4: to be live, because you don't get that, you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get that same experience, right, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 5: Was like, I need to be in the room for that.
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  Speaker 4: Life's just many experiences stats on top of each other,
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  Speaker 4: and that was one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're welcome, very judicious, Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: being here. Caitlin's living room. Yeah, here we are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what a day. What a day. And we're also recording
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  Speaker 1: this the day before the American election, so we're to be.
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  Speaker 3: Because you'll probably be listening to this listeners in January.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the moth might have ended.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might never actually be in the revolution at
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  Speaker 1: that point. Yeah. Yeah, so if you're listening from the
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  Speaker 1: from the front lines of the revolution, Hello and thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Feel sady.
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  Speaker 1: Here are our thoughts about it, Angus perfect snaring.
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  Speaker 5: About a movie work twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe this movie is so interesting, Yes we are. This
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  Speaker 1: is a very common request on the movie. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it is a like millennial, like late millennial. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: earlier gen Z Staple movie, So I want to know
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  Speaker 1: what everyone's history. Yeah, okay, kid.
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  Speaker 4: So I got the books, but not the first one.
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  Speaker 4: Someone gave me like the fourth book in the sequence
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  Speaker 4: of books as a present when I was like twelve,
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  Speaker 4: and I thought it was the funniest thing I'd.
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  Speaker 5: Ever read in my hold.
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  Speaker 4: Like it was just I remember like bringing it to school,
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  Speaker 4: like reading it during reading time in class and like laughing,
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  Speaker 4: and all my friends.
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  Speaker 5: But why is she laughing so much?
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  Speaker 4: And then they'd read it and be like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: even think it's that funny, but I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: so funny. Yeah, and then I think I read the books,
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  Speaker 4: and then I anticipated the movie because I loved the books, Okay, and.
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  Speaker 5: Then I don't remember the movie that well.
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  Speaker 4: I definitely saw it, but I think I was like,
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  Speaker 4: you know when you read the books and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: it's not the books.
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  Speaker 1: The book is better.
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  Speaker 5: The book is better.
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  Speaker 4: My imagination's wondrous fast and you could never do what
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  Speaker 4: I can do in my mind, of course, of course,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but yeah, so, but I just adored the books.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever go back and like read the first one?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I re read them all again. But
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  Speaker 4: then at some point I aged out of them before
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  Speaker 4: they've been finished being written, because there's ten in total.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many more.
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  Speaker 4: I aged out and I got to the point where
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't read them, but I wanted to, Okay, And
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  Speaker 4: then some one time, a fourteen year old or like child,
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  Speaker 4: not a child, a fourteen year old air teenage they
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  Speaker 4: like offered me like, do you want to borrow my ones?
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  Speaker 5: And I really wanted to, but I was too embarrassed
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  Speaker 5: to see it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that always takes to me so sad, Like the
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  Speaker 1: first time I remember like turning away a ya classic
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm over it, I'm over it. Why Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you hate to see it. But a day comes for
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  Speaker 1: us all.
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  Speaker 5: And then you can get you just know a young adults.
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  Speaker 5: Now let me just go to be like I'm at today.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up.
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  Speaker 3: I've just come of age too much and I'm over this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but now I would read them again, and now
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  Speaker 4: I maybe will after this, I think I'm gonna Kaitlyn.
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  Speaker 1: Did Kaitlyn Kaitlyn, who vows to never read a book
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  Speaker 1: on the show regularly hate read a book.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest, I had an e book be
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  Speaker 3: read to me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, this would be I mean, I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm remembering the cadence of the books, that it
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  Speaker 1: would be a fun listen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you listen to it on like two
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  Speaker 3: times speed. It really makes it go nicely. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: my history with this, so I did read the first book.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I read beyond that first one and
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  Speaker 3: didn't even know there were more than two books, So
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  Speaker 3: my bad.
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  Speaker 1: Can is wild. Yeah, I think I got to three.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I yeah, I got to the first two, I believe,
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  Speaker 3: and I read them when I was already too old,
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  Speaker 3: so this would have been the mid two thousand. I
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  Speaker 3: think I was still in high school. I did the
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  Speaker 3: same thing with Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, where I
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  Speaker 3: read these books that were geared toward a demographic that
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  Speaker 3: was like maybe two or three years younger than me.
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  Speaker 3: They were more for like eleven, twelve, thirteen year olds,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like fifteen, and I was like, I've
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  Speaker 3: already kissed the boys and I've touched a penis at
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  Speaker 3: this point. So these little a loser, these little babies
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  Speaker 3: who were still having their first kiss. I can't relate
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  Speaker 3: but for some reason I still read these books. I
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  Speaker 3: think I thought that angus thongs and full frontal snogging
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  Speaker 3: was funny. I liked her sense of humor, and so
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's why I kept reading. Like I finished
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  Speaker 3: that book and I read onto the second one. But
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  Speaker 3: by the time the movie came out, which was two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and eight, I had fully aged out of the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing, and so I didn't see the movie until
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  Speaker 3: we started prepping for the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, same same. I read the I read
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  Speaker 1: I think the first three books. I loved diary style
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  Speaker 1: books when I was a kid. I feel like this
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  Speaker 1: was like probably a series I would have picked up
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  Speaker 1: when I ran out of Princess Diaries books to read,
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  Speaker 1: which were like other I just like love them and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's kind of like British Princess Diaries.
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  Speaker 1: And I also knew I don't know. I was very like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: she was using all these words I've never heard of.
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  Speaker 1: I loved the slang and these books. I flagg, slaggy, lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: I had to look up what slag was.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa I know, we don't know over, you don't say slag.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know what it means it's like slut.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of but yeah, like I
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  Speaker 1: had to, like, I think, if I'm remembering qurectly or
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  Speaker 1: maybe like came at the Scholastic book fair or something,
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  Speaker 1: you would get like a little glossary to be like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're American, here's what they're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I did think that I did have gloceries in them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very helpful and I tried to
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  Speaker 1: integrate it into my like daily word usage and all
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  Speaker 1: my friends were like, shut up, nerdy is not a thing.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you tried to make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: I was really trying to make it hatt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was Gretchen Wiener's style, like trying to make thatch happen.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, trying to make British slang app was not.
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  Speaker 1: I was always trying to like get the slang from
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  Speaker 1: Angustong's in full frontal snogging and also just random Gilmore
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  Speaker 1: Girls references I didn't fully understand and just eke them
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  Speaker 1: into conversation and other twelve year olds were like, shut
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  Speaker 1: the fuck up. Anyways, I enjoyed these books, but I
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  Speaker 1: also did not see the movie because I think I
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  Speaker 1: was in high school when it came out and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to see it. And also
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize this is a Nickelodeon movie, which I
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  Speaker 1: feel like as I was watching it felt it really
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  Speaker 1: felt like a Nickelodeon movie. So I think I missed
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  Speaker 1: this one because I was probably like, I'm you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fifteen, I'm tootle when it's like I should have
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  Speaker 1: just seen it.
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  Speaker 5: Then Okay, I've got a question. What's the feel of
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  Speaker 5: a Nickelodeon movie.
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  Speaker 1: It's very I think I said this one yesterday. It's
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  Speaker 1: very like boying like, it's very like it's like what
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, it's weird. It's weird that this is
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  Speaker 1: like a movie or like a story about like coming
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  Speaker 1: of age and adolescence that I feel like normally would
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  Speaker 1: be treated with like some sense sensitivity. But it's like
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  Speaker 1: they sort of the parents are written in the movie
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  Speaker 1: to feel more like sitcom parents than I remember them
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  Speaker 1: in the book. They it just feels like a Nickelodeon
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  Speaker 1: sitcom at certain places, it does, but I think that
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  Speaker 1: the books.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it actually pretty accurately reflects the tone
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  Speaker 3: of the act.
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  Speaker 1: Having just reread it, it's interesting, Well.
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  Speaker 3: She spends a lot of the book talking about how
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  Speaker 3: much she hates her parents and especially her dad. Yeah
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  Speaker 3: so and she like, oh, they're so corny blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also like, if you're adapting the book, you
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  Speaker 1: should probably assume that Georgia's words are to be taken
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  Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, because everyone like you shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: just adapt a twelve year old characterization of their parents
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  Speaker 1: and be like, here are these fucking weird losers.
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  Speaker 5: You're just like, whoa, oh, maybe we should do that
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  Speaker 5: whole Maybe that's what everything's lacking.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, It's true. We have to get more twelve
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  Speaker 1: year olds in the writers.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we're not digging the opinions of twelve year old seriously.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that probably is true. But yeah, I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's what I mean. When it felt it felt like
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  Speaker 1: Nickelodeon movie like snow Day and like other ones that
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  Speaker 1: were just like kind of edgier kids movies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a question.
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  Speaker 4: Was the book called Anger Songs and Perfect Snugging here? No,
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  Speaker 4: it was called full frontal Snogging here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just assuming they didn't want full frontal as
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  Speaker 1: a name for a kid's movie, which I could understand.
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  Speaker 4: I remember reading this is Gonna be I remember reading
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  Speaker 4: an art school about how this music movie was developed.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, yes, in like some kind of teenage magazine
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  Speaker 4: work an article with the director, and they said it
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  Speaker 4: was a nightmare to try and get filming permission in
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  Speaker 4: locations with the title full frontal snogging because everyone thought
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  Speaker 4: they were filming a porn movie.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it does sound.
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  Speaker 4: To change the name to get permission to film in
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  Speaker 4: these locations.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. I was reading that the book
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  Speaker 1: is I wouldn't have guessed this, but it's like frequently
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  Speaker 1: on banned books because of George's disrespect for authority.
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  Speaker 5: And that's respect for other people, would reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then some of the and then
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  Speaker 1: some of the homophobia, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's more like just references to lgbt Q
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  Speaker 3: plus people at all, rather than like the homophobia itself.
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  Speaker 3: And then just like you know, references to like sexual
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  Speaker 3: like Christian Yeah, yeah, because most of what book banning
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  Speaker 3: is is like, yes, conservative agenda, like crystal fascists, weirdos.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: You know, let's take a quick break and then we'll
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  Speaker 3: come back for the recap, shall we, And we're back,
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  Speaker 3: and here's the recap for angus songs and perfect snogging. Sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do that and it's going to be offensive,
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  Speaker 3: but I won't be.
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  Speaker 1: Able to stop. Okay we are.
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  Speaker 5: We're in Eastbourne, UK, Eastbourn, Eastbourne, which is funny enough,
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  Speaker 5: where my mother was born and.
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  Speaker 3: Where is it in relation to the only place I
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  Speaker 3: know London?
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  Speaker 4: So if you go straight down from London, it's Brighton,
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  Speaker 4: and it's very close to Brighton, it's like just a
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: little bit further along the coast.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: But it is just one of those old people places,
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: like just a place full of loads of old people.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: All right. So when Georgia says it's boring, she's not lying.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's not lying about the vibe. Okay, Yeah, people
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: come here to die.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: God, it's the Florida.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's the Florida of the UK.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: But not that's crazy, okay, not, it's very cuckock cole. Okay.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: So we meet a fourteen year old girl, Georgia played
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: by Georgia Groom, while she's heading to a costume party
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: dressed as a stuffed all of in this like big
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: bulky costume. And she gets to the party and realizes
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: she's very out of place and her friends and all
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: everyone else is like dressed in like not goofy costumes.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: We meet her friends Ellen, Rosie, and Georgia's best friend Jazz,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: who again they were supposed to all be dressed as
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: orders but they bailed and Jazz points out that boys
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: don't like girls for funniness, and we'll talk about that.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Except one one time.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Right, So then Georgia is humiliated and she runs home,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: where we meet her family, her mom and dad, who
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: constantly embarrass her.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: They're very boying and she's like stop.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Her little sister Libby, and her cat Angus, the most
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: important character of the film, played by one of the
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: great cat actors of our.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Time, acting his ass off.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Georgia gears up for the first day of a new
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: school year. She accidentally shaves off half of her eyebrow.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: She's insecure because she thinks her nose is too big.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: She's worried that she'll never get a boyfriend. Stuff like that. Then,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: on the first day of school, Georgia is in the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: school yard chatting with Jazz, Ellen, and Rosie. They call
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: themselves the Ace Gang, and they're talking about kissing, or.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Rather snogging boys.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking about having their boobs touched. They're grossed
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: out by anything that seems quote unquote lesbiany as they
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: put it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yep, they sure didn't edit any of that. Well, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: guess maybe they did edit some of that out, according.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: It is more prevalent in the book.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: It is so prevalent in the movie that's wild.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Well it's well like triple triple it and that's the
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: amount that it's in the book. Then these two boys
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: walk past, who the friends think are proper fit that
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: a sorry.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I can't sorry listeners. Kate is sinking into the floor.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: She's like stop.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: It's like being the Ace.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Gang follows these boys around, stalks them with binoculars and
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: every which is also.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Very Nickelodeon movie Harriet the Spy.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Coded true uh, And they discover that they're twin brothers
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: who just moved from London.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And one of them is Aaron Johnson.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I okay. I watched like an hour
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: of this movie before I realized.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: Who that was.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, because, yeah, he's kind of got like
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the Bieber hair, So you have to like squint really
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: hard to be like, oh whoa is that guy.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: So that's Robbie played by Aaron Taylor Johnson. And every
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: time I hear that night name, I'm like, don't you
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: mean Anya Taylor Joy And they're like, no, it's a
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: different person I got.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I mean it's too close. It's too close.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And he just has one of those like white man
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: faces that I cannot by, just like my eyes and
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: my brain do not register or recognize.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I am like, what do I even know him from?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: He's in kick Ass. I haven't seen he's in.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: He was in that Ryan Gosling movie that came out
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: where Ryan Gosling played his stunt double fall Guy.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: He's in. He's in the New Noes Foratu, So I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: won't he also Tenant Wild.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't remember him being in that. Anyway, He's a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: guy and he plays Robbie.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: The other brother is Tom, played by I didn't bother
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: to look it up and.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Get his ass.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: He doesn't even have a Wikipedia page Sean Bork.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Wow, whoa Yeah. Anyway, their parents have opened up an
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: organic grocery store in town. So Georgia and Jazz go
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: to the store one day so that Jazz can flirt
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: with Tom. She she has like staked her claim on Tom. Meanwhile,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Georgia is crushing on Robbie the Anya Taylor joy Man
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and she learns that he's in a band called the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Stiff Dylan's and that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Band name and god have being fourteen having a crush
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: on a boy and a band. What a vibe?
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah that is a good name for a band. It's
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: pretty cool, correct, Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I feel like that felt authentically like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a teenage boy band.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, which maybe shows how cool and the
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: musical lie music listening. I do.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: You're down with the kids with the kids, Hello, fellow kids,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I'm here for the stuff Llans concert.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I used to have a huge crush on this kid, Stephen.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I'm the full name. I'm Stephen MASSARONI who like worked
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: part time at the Hot Topic and played like the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: bass and like a scream oh band, And I was like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: he's a dreaming would not talk to me, but like, well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I lost Yeah, look at me now, still
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: thinking about him. There.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: So she's trying to flirt with Robbie, Georgia is and
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: then her mom comes in and embarrasses her and talks
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: about her farting, and she's like.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Mom, stop, she's doing the boring thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: But Georgia keeps daydreaming about kissing and snogging Robbie. But
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: then Georgia sees Robbie with her classmate Lindsay, who Georgia
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: thinks is a boring slag. Though Georgia thinks she can't
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: compete with Lindsay because she feels Lindsay is like more
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: conventionally attractive, so.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Quote unquote developed, just like a big deal when you're that.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Age, right, And so Georgia and her friends spy on
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Lindsay to try to learn some tricks on how to
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: be more attractive to boys, and they learn that Lindsay
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: wears thongs and uses these like silicone bra inserts to
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: make her boobs look bigger.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Which is proof that she's a bad person. Is how
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the movie, and it was the Lindsay thing is so
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: wild because it's like before we even really hear her
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: say or do anything, we learn that about her, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: then it just does translate to like, so obviously she's
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a horrible she's a liar. You're like, I don't know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: check the math there.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Right, yes, So then Georgia decides to pay a visit
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to a boy named Peter Dyer, who gives kissing lessons jail.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: This movie runs a minute. It's crazy how much they
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: do in one day.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Truly, like, yeah, Peter Dyer, jail.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: But shout out to the huge poster. He has a
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: few Grant in his bedroom.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Why do we think that's there? Is that for him
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: or oh oh maybe clients? I bet it's for his
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: That makes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: I assume the client because he wants to just stare
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: at this.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: What it's because this is hetero world, except we hate
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: lesbians and so what's going to get a girl in
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the mood more than a huge poster of Hugh Grant?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That makes more sense to me.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So my theory is that he just knows
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that in I don't know, ten years from now, that
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Hugh Grant will be cast as the villain in Paddington
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I giving the performance of a lifetime, and he's just anticipating,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: he's getting ready, he smuggling and yeah, yeah, yeah, he's
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: like he's going to play Phoenix Buchanan and it's going
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to be the best performance of all time. I think
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: that's the more likely theory. Then, So Peter teaches Georgia
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: how to do different types of kissing, including tongue kissing,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: we will have and he tells her that she's a natural.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: When I was around that age, because I was like
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: a super late bloomer with like first kisses and stuff
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like that, or I was probably younger. I was like
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: probably like eleven or twelve. But my mom was like,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I bought it, but she was like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: kissing with tongue is I would never do that. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: would never do that. And I was like oh, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: she's like it's really unsanitary. I would never do it,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and like I asked her about it years later, she's like, yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why I said that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: What was she trying to do scam me out?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't know. I guess it's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: like I'll do that when i'm a parent too. I'm like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fuck with them today. Like, I don't know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know why she I think it was like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I was reading a teen magazine, but like a kissing
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: article or something. She's like, don't do that. I would
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: never do that, and I was like ooh, And then
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know, a year later, I was doing tongue kissing. Yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: let me just say wow.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe Yeah, she knew she couldn't really hold the gates back.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she was just trying to buy time.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would never you will.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I would get the flu. That was I think part
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of the argument she wasn't gonna get the flu.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I will say that as a full adult who has
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: snogged many times, I hate tongue kissing. Do not put
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: your tongue in my mouth. I don't want to put
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: my tongue.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, So what this is huge is an American thing
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: because I'm from Europe and we just I know.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I know it's a thing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I will do very light, very subtle tongue, but I
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: would I just want an open mouth kiss with I
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: don't want anyone's tongue really near me that much.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: For me, it's like a skill thing, like if you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: if you, if you're skilled with the tongue and you're
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: not slobbering around like well.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Most men aren't skilled.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, So I don't know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe I should be a Maybe I should be a
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: kissing teacher. You should be less creepy, Peter, just to
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: teach all these.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Men how to get you a giant I must have
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: one around here somewhere.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Because that's what you need. That's your qualification.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: You have a you have a full Monty poster. It's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: close enough.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, then we'll just do set up a time people
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: can come back to. That's the point of kissing.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I would not mind it if people were better
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: at it, but it's just that it's I don't know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: they do it so grossly and it grosses me out.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I've been I mean, when I've been in like long
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: term relationships. If if the kissing is not solid right away,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, look, if you're if you're hanging around,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: we've I've got to show you how it works for me,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: which does not proclude tongue. I'm like into that, but
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, but you know, try to develop some technique
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: for crying out loud.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: It's why to me that people some people can't.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like and also like, you know, I'm in my
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: mid thirties, I'm like, what's happening?
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: How did you get this fun?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: How did you gussd?
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And the hotter they are, the less good they're at it,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: because I feel like people are just afraid to tell
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: them or something. I don't know not me, No, not you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You've you've been doing that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I've already kind of a kissing teacher because I have
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I know, I'll be like, sir, stop and do it
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: this way and not that way.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I had to say once. I was like, you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: can't like your tongue, can't hit me before your lips.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: That's like that would be insane.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: But there's but there's but there's people out there that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: they're like, they're like they're leading with the tongue.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so wild.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I've been there. I've been like, you're thirty five, How
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: is that awsible? Like, what's going on?
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Do you know what I mean?
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Like in the olden days, you'd be dead by now
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: and you wouldn't have even failed the thing.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Well, your life is over. You never learned to kiss skill,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean tragic.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, back to the flim. So Georgia is learning how
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: to kiss. It's also her birthday coming up, and she's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: trying to convince her parents to let her throw a
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: big party at a nightclub.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And this is another upper middle class like formative story.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So it's not a money problem, it's just they don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: want her to be at a nightclub.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Right, And then her dad tells her that he's been
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: offered a job in New Zealand and that he's going
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: there for a few months, and she's like, oh fine,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: My dad is so embarrassing. And so then Georgia comes
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: up with a plan to pretend that her cat Angus
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: has gone missing so that she can enlist Robbie's help
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: in finding Angus, because Robbie also loves cats, and she
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: sees this as a way to get closer to him,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and it kind of works because they're vibing while they're
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: looking for Angus and Robbie does eventually rescue him, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: then he like leaves to go hang out with his
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: girlfriend Lindsey. But the plan does help Jazz, Georgia's best friend,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: because Robbie's brother Tom asks Jazz out and she's thrilled
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: about it. Then Georgie's dad leaves for New Zealand, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: then her mom starts having a man named Jem come
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: over to redo the kitchen.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: This storyline that yeah, I can't which is Steve Jones.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know who that is, Okay, real quick, Steve Jones, yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: British TV presenter, Okay, he's well, she's very, very hot
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: and very attracted.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: But he's dated so many he for a while was
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: like he was a slack. I'm gonna I'm calling him.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I'm calling it now, but dated so many Hollywood women
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: because he'd interview them when they'd come to the UK,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: and they were like, this guy is really hot with
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: a fun accent. So he's had like a thing with
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Pamela Anderson. Oh yeah, and Angelina Jolie asked for his
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: number and hey didn't.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I can't Yeah that one and they had Yeah, they
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: were like seen together on a yacht.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And can Okay, Well, good for him, and he is
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: handsome and muscular, and George worried that her mom is
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: having sex with Jem.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Correctly worried because he's like a flag and.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: He's sure, you know how your interior decorator is topless,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: just like that's the boying I'm talking about. Does the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: adults do not behave rationally? Yeah?
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: So Robbie's girlfriend Lindsay seems to know that Georgia likes Robbie,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: so she tells Georgia to stay away from her man,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: and then she pushes her down in gym class while
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: they're playing field hockey, which is very similar to a
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: scene from a movie we covered recently, Ginger Snaps, where
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the popular mean girl pushes over the protagonist, but this
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: time it's into a dog carcass, so it's a little
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: different in Ginger Snaps, but similar vibes. And so then
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Georgia and her friends go to a classmate's birthday party.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Georgia is hoping that Robbie will be there, but she
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: doesn't see him. But who is there is kissing instructor
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: boy Peter, and he, like surprise, kisses slash lunges at Georgia,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: making her fall into the bushes and causing her dress
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: to fly up. And just then Robbie shows up with
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Lindsay and Tom and Jazz, and everyone sees George's underwear.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: And it's two thousand and eight, so no one is like, hey,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that's an assault we just saw. They're just like, oh
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: my god, Georgia, you're so embarrassing, which, unfortunately, I think
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: is probably how that would have went down at that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: time for.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Sure, And of course Georgia is humiliated. And then I
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's like the next day or a
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: few days later, but Georgia goes to the pool with
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: her sister, knowing that Robbie will be there, and she
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: tells him like, don't worry, I'm not dating that Peter boy.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, really, well in that case, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: he kisses her. Yeah, but then he runs off because
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: he's like, I have to sort some things out, but
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: he says he'll call her. Several days past, he hasn't called. Meanwhile, though,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Peter asks out Georgia and she lies and says she
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: can't go out with him because she's alone lesbian, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: he's like, oh no. Other things are falling apart as well.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Lindsay moves her birthday party to the same day as
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Georgia's party. George's dad wants to take the job in
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: New Zealand permanently, so she's afraid she's gonna have to
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: move there, and she's still sad that Robbie hasn't called.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Then Georgia's mom gives her a copy of the book
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus, in.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Which which is another what a two thousand's move.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: So in the book, Georgia learns the trick of basically
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: playing hard to get, so she gets the idea to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: go to Robbie's band's gig with a friend.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Of his, This boy Dave the Laugh What a brittal nickname.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: They're just like they might as well just be like Dave,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: who no one wants to have sex with? Like that
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: is what that is how the movie approaches You're funny,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: no one wants you. Yeah, and let's compare our lived experiences.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: And also at this gig, the band play the Stiff
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Dylan's plays a cover of a song that I know
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: exclusively from the soundtrack of Say It with Me Now
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Shrek Too. Really, yeah, it's the ever fallen in love
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: parentheses with someone you shouldn't have by buzz Coos is.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: The name of the love I love Buzzcocks. I didn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: know that was Wow, it's in Shrek Too. I'm a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: fake fan. Yeah, I'm a fake fan. I should have
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: known that. I was like, wait a minute, why do
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I recognize this song? And I was like, and then
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you're like with regrets Shrek too?
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Yep. Okay.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: So this plan of Georgia's to like make Robbie jealous
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: backfires because Dave, who seems to really like Georgia, finds
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: out from Jazz the Georgia just used Dave to make
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Robbie jealous. So Georgia gets mad at Jazz for like blabbing,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: and they get in a huge fight and they like
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: say they're never going to talk to each other again.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Plus Robbie is pissed at Georgia for hurting his friend
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Dave's feelings. And then also Georgia had like very classiestly
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: told Jazz that Tom isn't good enough for her because
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: he's like a grosser, and so Robbie realizes how immature
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: and shallow Georgia is. Meanwhile, it really seems like her
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: mom is having sex with Jem and she's gonna leave her.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Dad for Also, just the signifier in the two thousands
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: of like wearing a thong being like something bad it's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: gonna happen to this, something bad's about to happen. Did
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you I did either of you watch Degrassy No, there's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: such an iconic scene where it's like the character who
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I think. It's like she's coming in for her sophomore
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: year of high school a Manny Santo's everyone's screaming on
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the other end of the podcast, but she comes back
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: after a summer and in the way that sometimes teenagers do,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and she's wearing a thong and everyone's like, oh, you've changed.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: You're hot now, Like it was just like the two thousands.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: That's how you told people I'm hot.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: Now, that's how you inlerted people. You were hot and
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: down exactly exactly.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: The whale tail was what was like, yeast infections, be damned,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I'm hot to know I'm hot and at.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Risk for.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I do remember being a teenager and wanting the thong look,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: but not being able to wear one for uncomfortable reasons.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're so uncomfortable. Yeah, I think I like sneakily
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: bought one in high school because my cousin worked at
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret. And then I got it and then I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: put it on.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: I was like, what the yeah, what the hell is this?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Never mind, sorry, this was a mistake.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: The only time I've worn a thong is I dressed
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: up one year speaking of the Full Monty as like
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: their strip costume and they wear these like little red
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: thongs that they like expose at the end, and so
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I did that for a Halloween costume. No, I had
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the full like they're dressed is like security guards that
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: they like then remove them. But so I was wearing
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that most of the time, but sometimes I would like
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: show my butt and I'd be like look and people
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: will be like, oh, scandalous, she's down, she's she's so cool,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: she's hot.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Now I was like nineteen at the time. Yeah, this
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: was in college.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Cool, that is cool. It was so cool.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you. It's however new you were hot now exactly.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, the whole thing with Georgie's mom maybe
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: having an affair with Jem. So then this makes Georgia
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: go to her dad's company to try to speak with
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: his boss to convince him to like have her dad
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: come back to the UK, but the boss isn't there,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: so she's just like crying to a receptionist. And then
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: she goes home having decided that the whole family should
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: move to New Zealand, and her mom's like what, oh
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: my gosh. And then she like starts doing yoga and
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: like other forms of self care and spiritual cleansing. She's
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: growing up, this Georgia. And then she approaches Robbie to
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: apologize for her behavior and he's like, yeah, you were
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a bitch, but I can't stop thinking about you. And
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: also I broke up with Lindsay.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Last night, and she's like, well, the teen drama, so drama.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: And then she tells him she's moving to New Zealand
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: and he's like, damn, well, let's hold hands. So they
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: do that, and then we cut to the next morning.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: It's her birthday and her mom tells her she's taking
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: her out dancing at a nightclub that night, which I
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: don't think any teenager would want, but she's.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Like really into it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: But it turns out to be this huge surprise party
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: that Jazz helped organize, which means that Georgia and Jazz
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: are best friends again. And surprise, also, George's dad is there,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: and it turns out he's not going to stay in
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: New Zealand after all, he's been offered an even better
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: job right there at home. And then another huge twist,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: her mom has not been having sex with Jem because he's.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Gay and his boyfriend owns the club.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: And guess who else is there? Robbie playing with the
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: stiff Dylan's.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe this stiff Dylan's probably made money
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: off of her party. Oh yeah, unless they played for free.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Hard to say.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Then Lindsay crashes the party and she comes on stage
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: and she insults Georgia, and she tries to get back
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: together with Robbie, but he's like, no, I like Georgia.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: She's goofy and I like that actually, And then they
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: kiss on the lips in front of everyone. What and
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: they're all cheering. And now Georgia's life is perfect because
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: she's got a cute boyfriend and great friends. Her parents
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: are horny for each other again, and she's more confident
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and mature, and most importantly, her cat angus is awesome.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: The end, the end. What a journey.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So let's take another quick break and we'll come back
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: to discuss, and we're back.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Where to begin with this movie? I wanted to start
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: with something I did not previously know about this movie
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: that I found surprising, which is that this movie was
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: co written and directed by Grinder Chada, who also wrote
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and directed Bend It, like Beckham and Brydon, Prejudice and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: all of these kind of iconic millennial movies. I did
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: not know that she was the director behind this movie,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have guessed it. I guess well, because
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like Bend It like Beckham, I mean, and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I have a quote from her that sort of contextualizes
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: this a little bit. But I feel like her style
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: of writing is not this right, and so I have
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a quote from her here. There is like a whole
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: oral history done in the Independent about this movie last
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: year with the star Georgia Groome, who is also fun fact,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I think married to Rupert Grint. I know, I don't
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: think she performs very much anymore, but yeah, that's.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Ruper Grint's probably got so much money.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I mean that Harry Potter. Yeah, I was married to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Ruper Grint. I may retire also, no, but but yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: because like Angus songs and full frontals snot smogging snogging,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: we're in la here. It's Smoggings has like such a
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: specific cadence and like authorial voice. But I feel like
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: so do her movies. But it's like clear that the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: book got preference here. So I have a quote from her,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: hear saying I'd already made it, bend it like Beckham,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: which in a way was my teen movie. It captured
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that sense of girls who were smart and real as
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: opposed to high school the not mean girls as it
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: were just authentic girls with a dream that really had
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a big impact. But Angus was different. It was Louise's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: version of Teenagers, which was great. When I read it,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I know how to do this, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I can do it well. So she's also acknowledging. She's like,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: this is not really this kind of movie I would
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: normally yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: So she also co wrote the screenplay along with three
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: other credited writers, and I have a quote about yes, yes,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: where she says quote when the project came to me,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the studio Paramount had it for five years, and even
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: though they're British books, they had these two American guys
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: adapt the book and they couldn't get it to work.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I read the script and thought, how weird. This is
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: sort of La Male's version of an English girl's childhood God,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: and then I read the books and I thought, there's
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: something here that relates to me growing up that I
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: hadn't seen in the script. I thought this could be
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: a British genre film, or be like Clueless or Mean
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Girls in England, and I liked the idea of doing
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: a British version of those films. Then it clicked that
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: it should be like sixteen Candles unquote. So she had
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: to like kind of clean up the mess that these
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: like two American men.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Of course they would hire two American men about a
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: British teenage girl.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: That would have been a worrying film.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I'm very glad that she got a
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: hand in it. I wish she'd maybe gotten more of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a hand in it, but I did. Like, I mean,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: starting with the positive stuff. I like, reading through this
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: oral history was really nice. It seemed like, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: everyone had a good experience. And also working with a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: woman director seemed to be really impactful on the young
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: women in the cast. I've got a quote from Georgia
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Groom here, watching Grinder lead as a woman was quite
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a pivotal moment for all of us as young teenagers
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: to see that strength and tenacity that she had to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: be able to lead that charge. It's not an easy job,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and she just did it so well and was so
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: much fun inside of her. It was a real girl
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: power thing. Also, she had just had twins when she
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: directed this movie, so there's all of these really like
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: cool pictures of Grinder Tata and her twins on set.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And also it seems like she prioritized like teaching the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: child actors how the cameras worked, and like was really
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: like hands on with like kind of giving them an
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: education if they ever wanted to. I don't know. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's it just seems like she's I'm
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: sure we talked about this on the Benditt like back
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: of my episode two, but she just seems like a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: terrific person who's like really sweet and supportive of her cast,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: and you know she she also has a couple quotes
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and hear about how you know, infrequent girls are centered
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: in stories and how she felt like in wait, I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: do want to get this quoted of how the release
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in America. I also didn't remember this was kind of botched,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: like it was never released theatrically and it was only
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: aired on Nickelodeon because they're like the parents go boing.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop saying it, but yeah, Grindotada says
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: in America, Nickelodeon didn't know what to do with the film.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: They didn't think it would be a big hit, so
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: they never released it theatrically and aired it on a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: big day on Nickelodeon and ratings went through the roof.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: An executive did say to me after that they'd made
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: a huge mistake and they should have put it out
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: theatrically because the amount of times girls have watched that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: film over and over again. So it's just like, I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: feel like yet another example of people underestimating Do.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: They just think that women don't do anything like that?
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: We just are in the house, like not doing it,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: like absorbing any culture.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: It's so I feel like we learned that time and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: time again with any like non white male audience, where
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think we talked about it on
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: our first Wives Club episode where they're like, no one
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: wants to see women over forty and then that movie
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: made up aajillion dollars and like how difficult it was
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to get Black Panther made, And then that movie made
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: an actual billion dollars And I was just like, it's.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Like they keep doing the conversation again with Bobby. They
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: were like, who knew that were women out here?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And where's another billion? And women watch things? Oh my god?
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: What they What do they think we're up to? Or
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: do they just not know that we're here?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: They kind of just freak you out of sight, out
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of mind because we won't hang out with them.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: But I've never seen any around but both my mom.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: But those are those are some of the positive things
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I have to say about the movie. It seems like
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: it was a really good on set experience, and I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like the director's body of work, but this may be
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: one maybe not as much.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Right, So I want to touch on the book because
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I did spend all that time.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Reading it, all those you know, all those late nights,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: all those.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Five hours listening to the audio book on one point
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: nine speed. So this movie is based on the first
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: two books in the series. I didn't read this second book, which.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Has it now I'm the girlfriend of a sex God.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on the bright side, I'm now the girlfriend of
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: a sex god. That's the American title. Oh no, it's okay,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: big yeahs.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's so. I feel like the American title is
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: like Saucier in that case.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, just because you didn't know what Nick is,
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: well probably.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Fortunately that we already had so much confusion.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: We know what nogging, so we didn't want to confuse
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: anyone again.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I still don't.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: So in the movie they call each other mingers a lot.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: What is that.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: You've never come across mingus? Oh, it's just like an
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: ugly person like they're minging.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I would not they're like ugly.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, I guess, I guess it's like an abject an adjective.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: But they are minging.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are minging.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: And the minging was like very much thing. I remember saying.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, so is is minge something also?
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: And what inge is just the giant minge is separate
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: from ming I think. I hope so, I hope they
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: don't have the same etymology.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: They might do, I don't They're spelled quite similarly. Okay,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: just ye clearing mingus minging. You wouldn't say ming okay, okay,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't have that, but you would say minge. But
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't say, oh she minging she's having extra vagina, but.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: You can't be vagina.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: No, okay, just minge okay, okay.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: But I would say minge, but I would say that
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: to like my best friend now because it's funny.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: Or I would say clunge because plunges. I did I
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: know about clumb Yeah, because I alway, I think they're
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: quite funny words.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: They are really yeah wow.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, I did know about minge because shout out
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: to my former roommate, British Martinage. She taught me about minge.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, so do you call
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: pubic hair minge fringe?
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: Oh we should call it that, but we don't. But
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: you can make that, but I will.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna make mine fringe happen. Yeah's watch
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: out world. Okay.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: So the book is what I'm trying to talk about.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: So written by Louise Renaissan, who I think wrote, who
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: wrote all ten r I p oh, I didn't really
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: had a passage.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: She passed in her mid sixties, which is crazy. Yeah,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: so really sad.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: So the book was the first book was published in
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: ninety nine. The sequel, which I didn't read but the
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: movie is partially based on, published a year later in
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: two thousand. The format of the books is like Georgia's diary, right,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: So you know, middle school aged teens in the late
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: nineties early two thousands, you know, not known for being
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: the most progressive people. So there's a lot of problematic
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: stuff in the book. A lot of it translates to
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: the movie, but there's even more in the book where
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: there's a lot, as we mentioned of like homophobia and
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: specific like anti lesbian rhetoric. There's like a phizzed teacher
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: that makes an appearance in the movie, but in the
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: book she's always talking about like, ooh, she was staring
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: at me again because she's a lesbian, and Georgia's like
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: praying to God that she's not a lesbian.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Things like that, such like casual homophobia that is like
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: it it really sucks because it's like, I feel like
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: books like that at the time would have like reinforced
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the culture that already existed, which was so so so
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: hostile that it's like a reflection of what was already acceptable,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: but then putting it in the mouth of like Georgia,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: who's supposed to be like the coolest girl ever to
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: readers at least, like the self insert it's like it's yeah,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: very tender age to be getting that kind of messaging.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Not good.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: So there's not only that, there's casual transphobia. Where in
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: the book, Georgia finds a garment of her dad's that
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: she thinks as an apron I think it's implied that
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: it's like some like sexual outfit or something.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: But okay, because her parents are really horny for each other.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah Christ for them, I guess.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: But she finds this garment that she thinks is like
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: a feminine garment, and so she now asson that her
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: dad is transitioning and it's like very disgusting to her.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she keeps, I've forgotten about that.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I honestly really just remember nervy. B that's
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: like really all that stuck.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: The only thing I remember from the book from reading
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: it all those years ago was her being self conscious
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: of her nose. That was the main thing I remembered.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, Cash, I'm glad I don't remember the transphobia storyline, Like.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: What the fun It's good, it's important your brain blocks
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: out things. Yes, yeah, this isn't good, like this is.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Trash self preservation.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: There's also it's not prominent in the book, but it
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: is there. There's racism, where there's at least one example
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: of Georgia making a comment that h anti Asian racism.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: There's a fair amount of fat phobia and body shaming,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: which does translate to the movie. Georgia makes remarks that
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: are ablests that are disparaging about sex workers. She's very
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: callous about suicide. So there's like all these very problematic
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: things in the books.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Some of which monsters rible.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: She does not deserve Robby.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of it does.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Carry over to the movie, namely the homophobia and the
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: fat phobia.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's like the there are certain things
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: that are presented in a way that is like, at
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: least I think at the time would have been clear
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to me, like Georgia's insecure and sensitive about her nose.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: That's not presented as like and she should be. But
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: all of the homophobia is presented very like matter of
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: factly is never challenged in any.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: Way, and all the slat shaming. But the thing is
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: that was like having been a British teenage girl, that
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: is what the culture was. It was a real like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: oh god, we grew up in not good.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Times, yeah, but like the worst West time.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Yet this is the worst of time.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how they managed it keeps getting worse, yeah, because.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: They look back nostalgically, but then weirdly and then you
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: want it and you're like, oh wait, this is the
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: West of times?
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Have we ever had it good?
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: When was the good of.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: In Charles Dickens's Tale of Two Cities, it was the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: best of times, But then really quickly she really cooked
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: And there is racism in the movie in the sense
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: of how the Ellen character.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like watching that, I was like, what did
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: they just bring on this South Asian character to bully
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: to bully her?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Which is like wild to me because Grindotata is she's
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I think Kenyan born British of Indian descent, but like
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: more to the point the writer director of Bend it
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: like Beckham.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: That was where I was really like, yeah, it was
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: very jarring.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to I mean, based on what Caitlin
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: you found about, like her having to clean this grip,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering like how much she was able to ultimately
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: have influence over because that was just like really jarring
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: from someone who has like made such thoughtful inclusive movies
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: in the past.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: What happened there?
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: If I speculate on how I feel like the UK
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: is is that it was going to be four white girls,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: and then she would have pushed to be like can we.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: Have one for some representation? Yeah, the one that gets buddied.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Do you know like that?
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I think how it would have gone down. It's like, yeah,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: but she can't be cool.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: We can't like her. Yeah, I have honestly believed that
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: in the two thousands movie environment, Yeah, like yeah, poor Ellen,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like I just and she disappeared for like such large
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: swaths of the movies. She felt like very disconnected from
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the rest of the friend group because it's like Georgia
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and Jazz are the you know, core friends, and then
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: there's two other friends. But there's there's times where what's
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the other is Ellen? Ellen? Ellen is the one we're
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: talking about, but who's the who's the fourth Rosie Rosie?
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: So it's like you'll see scenes where like Rosie and
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Jazz are walking together and they're like we're mad at Georgia,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, where's Ellen. Like there, She's just
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: like disappeared from the movie for just whole chunks. It's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: really bizarre.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like anytime she like tries to make a
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: suggestion or like give advice or say like what about me?
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Do I get a boy to have a crush on?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And they're always just.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: Like Eude, shut up, shut up. Ellen.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: We treat her like Jerry on Parks and Reck like
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: it's brutal, which is a dynamic that is reflective of
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: real life when there's a close friend group who is
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: predominantly white, but there's like maybe one person of colar
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: so I.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: Was in there, but I don't think I was an Alan.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I would like to put it. I was cool, I
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: was saying there's no problems, but I'm like, I'm not Alan, right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: So it's not as though growing Ellen under the busy.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Why So it's not as though this doesn't happen. It's
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: just that the movie doesn't like interrogate this at all.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Also, they left her at Peter's house, so when Geordia
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: goes in, oh yeah, then Ellen's.
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: Queuing up to go in as well, like all right,
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: we're all going to Peter now, right, and then they
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: all leave her like the other two. Like everyone's waited
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: for Georgia to come.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do not wait for Ellen. But I also
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: was wondering, I mean, because the interests of these characters
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: is very limited, but that Ellen seems to be obviously
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: like really interested in boys and wants to kiss and whatever.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: She seems to have booked a session with Peter or whatever.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: She's looking at the Hugh Grant poster. You know, she's
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: locked in, but that like doesn't really go anywhere. Like
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like that is more presented as a joke
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: of like, and even Ellen's doing it because that doesn't
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: really come back around in any meaningful way. I was
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: sort of wondering, I'm like, I wonder if Ellen will
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: head it off with Peter, but they just sort of
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: toss her a Dave the laugh towards the end. That's right?
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Who she?
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: So?
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: What's the end?
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: At the at the party.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a weird moment as well. You know, any
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: powerful your friends with other men.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like that happens at the end of this
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: type of movie so often, where they're like, which characters
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: are still single?
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: There they go there, Yeah that.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: In the movie. That'd be great.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: We can have a single fourteen year old at this party, like.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: What an embarrassing body? Single and fourteen. Uh.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: There's also a scene where Ellen and Georgia are getting
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: ready for the party they go to, and Ellen expresses
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: insecurities about her dark body hair and she's like, oh,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I have a mustache. I'm worried I have sideburns. And
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: she says this to Georgia and she's like, you're lucky
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: you don't have dark hair like me. And Georgia's just like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: I know, first of all, Georgia is white, but she
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: does have dark hair and like speaking as a white
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: person with dark hair, like it is visible in my body.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: My body here, it's visible unless I remove it. So
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: for Georgia to just be like, yeah, sucks for you.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Also, we saw Georgia shave off one of her eyebrows
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: basically to deal with a monobrows situation.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: So I don't know why she's out here talking like
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: she doesn't have a propes.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: It was just like an opportunity to have these two
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: characters connect over something that would have made sense, and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: it's like yet another be like yeah, Ellen, you suck.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: You're like, come on, come on, and we never I mean,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think we meet any of the girl's families.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: But again, it's just I feel like we just have
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the least insight into Ellen, and she's like, I feel
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: like it's worse than tokenized because they just are dumping
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: just mean yeah right.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I was feeling like Rosy gets even slightly less characterization
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: than Ellen, but at least she's not like bullied by
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: her friends. And she she has like a Swedish friend, yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: I assume, because he's yeah, yeah yeah. In the book,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: she talks about her very tall and yeah, I think
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Swedish boyfriend.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Wow, but well here's this before it breaks it, so obviously.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: They could have seen each other. Yeah, Like I always,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Anytime I think about your I'm like, whoa.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: So if you're in the UK and then you're dating
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: someone in Sweden, that would be like what if we
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: were dating someone from Chicago? Like distance wise, it's so
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: boring when we do it.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I think unless because how long is
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: the flight to Chicago? Like three right, so like a
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: flight to Sweden, it's not going to be more than two,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: So maybe Denver.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: The book makes it seem like Spinn is there as
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: like an exchange student, so I don't think it's like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: long distance. But speaking of the book, I don't even
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: remember the Ellen character from the book.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: At all, so I don't she is in the book.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: She is, okay, at least if she is, she's mentioned,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: but not necessarily as like someone who is like hanging out.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: With later books, she's in the books, oh sure, she's
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: No one's given like any race that's not white.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: I just assume everyone's white in the books.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: But the Ellen character and Georgia are definitely like in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: the same friend group but have a rivalry. Oh so
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: down the line there's some issue. Maybe Ellen dates Tom's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: m okay, I don't know. Maybe Dave, the last Dave.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Oh well, that's where she ends up with. At the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: end of the movie.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Something happens with the kind of friends but not friends.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: In the books later I can remember.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: At least again, I only reread the first one. I'm
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: sure Ellen is there, but she's so little of a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: presence that you wouldn't necessarily like remember her. A huge
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: focus on the friendship with Jazz in the like enemy
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: ship with Lindsey, and then there's all the there's other
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: girls that don't make it to the movie that like
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: are like kind of the girls who are like, come on,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: let's do this thing that is scandalous and that will
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: get us into trouble. And so there's like things like
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: that that are kind of memorable. But as far as
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: like Ellen's presence, if she is there at all in
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: the first book, it's like not very noticeable, which means
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: that the writing like beefed up her character for.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: The movie, but for people to be horrible.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's just.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Upsetting, a huge, huge, huge bummer. I want to blame
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: the three American eyes.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: But let's do that. Let's do it. That's okay, sometimes
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: you can.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a real bummer and really stuck out.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: And also that I think it's Ellen's character who like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: says the first homophobic comment too of the movie, who
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: is like, we can't grab our own boobs. That would
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: make that.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: Makes us Yeah, and that's that's sitting on their hands.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: Just tried.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: I was like, does it feel good?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I did it as I was
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: watching the movie.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: You tried it? Yeah, Like.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: It did feel like I was just grabbing my own
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: boob and then my hands really hurt.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: But then I had and needles.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: It was really sad. It was hard for me. But
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a grown up, so I can just have someone
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: grab my boobs. These losers, yeah, grabbing their own boobs. Yeah,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: what do we think about? Okay, Georgia I had such
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: a hard time with because like, I feel like the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: whole internal logic of the movie is like and also
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: she's like a kid, but still still she's like, boys
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: don't like me because I'm funny, and I'm like, I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: would not say that that's not and that's why boys
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: don't like you, which I guess does go into like
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: she's immature, which Robbie does call out, and that she
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: has to I guess grow up a little bit.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Well, what is this storyline that's like men are so
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: much more mature right where he is older, he's seventeen
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: and she he's fourteen.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is more clear in the book where
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: he says.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: To her, Yeah, but it was a stop dating fourteen
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: year olds to seventeen year old maybe. Also, if you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: are worried that they're so immature, that feels like a really.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Easy fix on your data. Fourteen year old, easily done.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: Yes, And I do remember the article being like it
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: was very hard to cast a seventeen year old that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: we could get to snog a fourteen year old that
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: wouldn't feel weird and it turns out yeah, yeah, I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: do remember that from the article. Wow, it was like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: we had trouble casting and it turned out it was
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: Aaron Johnson who's now married to Sam Taylor Wood.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: Yes, so he has no trouble snogging anyone of multiple
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: ag He doesn't mind an age gap, he doesn' mind
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: age up in either direction. He's good to snug anyone that.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Is such a weird thing to put in an article. Yeah,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: and also just I uh wow, yeah, And I think
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that's a good point, is that like the boys are
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: more mature. It doesn't doesn't really track.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Doesn't track.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're older, I guess, which is still.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: Also the whole point is that they're not. That's why
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: seventeen year olds maybe date fourteen year olds, right, I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: just I.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Feel like when I was fourteen, I was more mature
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: than most seventeen year old place. Sure, yeah, like yeah, anyways,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: but I'll suspend my disbelief. I like, like, I like Georgia.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's like the attachment to the books as
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: a kid, where you like you're rooting for her. I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: feel like it was cathartic to be like, yeah, my
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: parents are really annoying too, but if they ever got divorced,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I'd be so sad. Like I thought, like those beats
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: worked better for me in the movie where it's like
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: her balancing like that, very like tween ish age, Like
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I hate my family, but if anything changes, I'll I'll die.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Like that stuff felt good. But I don't know, I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: don't know what do we think of Georgia, Folks?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: The thing that I connected with I think the most
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: as a thirty eight year old person consuming this was that,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: you know, she values humor and being a funny person. Yes,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: and she learns that boys don't like girls for funniness,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: and so part of the movie is her like trying
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: to like figure out what boys do like and like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: catering to that while also trying to like figure out
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: who she is and wants to be like a unique
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: person who has a personality, but like feels like she
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: has to suppress her like silliness.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: All yeah, I like a commitment to the bit. I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: like that she was like I'm going as a stuff,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: don't it this party?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: And that that does I mean, I feel like that's
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: such a great like establishing scene too, where it's like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: she's the only one who was confident enough to follow
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: through on the olive and the girls are.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Like and it's a great idea for I think that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: would be hilarious.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: It looks like so much work, like she was destroying
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh my god.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: Days days.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: I love that it's become a trope for usually a
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: character who's a woman to show up to a to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: a party in a mood because it happens in Bridget
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Jones diary, it happens in Girls, it happens in Legally Blonde,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: where like the person in.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Question forgot it happened in Legally Blonde, shows up.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: As like a bunny, like a the same I don't
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: know which one came first. This sends a woman in
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: a buddy outfit to somewhere where no one's stressed.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: She feels.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of my favorite tweet ever, the Katie
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Dippled tweet. Yes Baba do come first? She stresses the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Baba duck and everyone else is just wearing clothes. There
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: is an example, so it does happen in real life.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: How did it happen? I don't know. I need to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: find it. It's the funniest thing.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Ever.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: While you're looking for that, I can think of one
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: example of a man, or like a male character showing
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: up to a party in a costume that's like very
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: inappropriate for the party he's at, which is zac Efron
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: in a movie that I don't remember what it's called,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: but Michael B. Jordan is also in the movie. I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: think anyway, He shows up to a costume with like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: a prosthetic penis like hanging out of his pants. And
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: it's like because it was pitched to him as a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: dress up party, so he thought that meant costume party.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: But it meant like dress in an elegant dress outfit.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: Okay that no, if you say it's a dress up party,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: that means costumes.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Well, so he was correct. So Zach Cafron innocent.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: I mean the choice of costume questionable, right for sure? Yeah?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: But what was he supposed to be?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: Just a man with his Yeah, just like he's gonna
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm rocking out with my cock out or
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: Because that's a choice.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: I think if I went to a Halloween Putts, I'd question,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: oh for sure if a man came in that outfit.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bad costume.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I I want to chat even
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: my bunny outfit, which I will be wearing because I'm
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: a girl that I'm just stats.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: So I won't be stuffed.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I have the tweet here. I also realized when I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: looked it up, because it was Halloween last week, that
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: friend of the show Ben Rogers is sitting next to her.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I noticed that here it is. It'll still so funny.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: This is so good.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: You can see it really sinking it. It's sinking in
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: for her as the victures. We'll post it, We'll post
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: it on our Instagram. I'm so glad it's so good.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I love that you got to see it for the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: first time. It's one of the greatest tweets of all time. Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, So the point is that, you know, Georgia
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: is like, she doesn't want to suppress this funny, like
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: humorous aspect of herself, but she's learned, like many of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: us have as comedians.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: We learned that like men.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Tend not to val if they value a sense of
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: humor in a woman, what they mean is that they
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: want a woman to laugh at all their jokes, but
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: they don't want a woman who generates her own humor.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Especially not funnier than they are, certainly not yead forbid,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: which is hard because men aren't very funny.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Express a lot of your funny.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: But it turns out that Robbie does like that about her.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: He does, like, you know, like other voice.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: But he does it in a condescending way where he's like,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: you're mad, you're such a nutter, But I love it.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, he does call her that a lot. I don't
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: know how much I'd love that actually if someone was
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: like she just just nuts, but I love it.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I think I feel like that's how a lot of
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: boomer husbands talk about their wives. They're like this broad
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: like they're just like Jesus.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: If I hadn't murder should be in the greasy Yeah
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: I really did.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Like that's that is like a very boomer dad kind
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: of post where you're like, easy, say something nice, like
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: you've been married for forty fucking years, like something nice.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I I uh, he does do that. He
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: also what is the name of the song song he
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: writes about her bitch in a Uniform? You're like, yeah,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, do you like her?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Do you like her?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Well, this was after she was classist, so that's true,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Like not that excuse. That's that's the tricky thing with George.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I guess that was what I was trying to get
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: at earlier, where it's like I like her, and it's
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: hard to be too mad at her because she is
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: canonically fourteen years old, right, and it feels weird at
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: my large age to be like, I don't respect this
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: fictional teenage.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Got her shit together.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: But but I do think, like, yeah, she's uh, she
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: does catch it sometimes, I think deservedly. Yeah, Like yeah,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: but it seems like the movie does sort of address
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: that just not and I don't know. I feel like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: it's because the goal, the endgame goal for all of
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: the young girls in the movie is to have a
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: cute boyfriend. That the only way that like growing up
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: is like addressed or the way that like, oh, she
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: like addressed this like internalized classism where she like had
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: to figure out like how to develop a better relationship
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: with her parents or like whatever. The sort of broad
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: lesson is she's like rewarded quote unquote with boyfriend at
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: the end, Yeah, which just feels a little I don't know.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Of the time, I guess yeah, and it's not a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: good reward, no, but but maybe is when actually is
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: when you're horny and your teenager.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sure at the time it is, but yeah, I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: don't know. And then they're like, oh, wait, we forgot
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: about Ellen. She's dating Dave, like movie over.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, Actually, maybe Ellen wins in the end because
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: she gets the funny guy, and.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Dave did seem like a nice, nice young man and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: he's I think like right to be hurt with how
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Georgia treats him. Yeah, she uses him and he finds
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: out about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like this is the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: life of a lab.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: But that was a bit where I was like, I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: don't know, I just feel like he'll know soon that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: men will use women, so he'll be fine, He'll be fine.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, especially the way he's like he talks about
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: what does he call He's like, yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: That's one of the names of the books.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, that was the one I got as
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: a present. Was knocked out by.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: I, Like you started there. I will say that I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: was looking and I was like.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: This is fab because they say fabl.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I was looking at the list of book titles and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Louise Renaissan really committed to having the most British titles possible.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Knocked out by my nonga nungers. We don't say that
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: dancing Oh really.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Dave Cools breasts. Do you want to explain?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, because he's like yeah, when you grab them and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: then let go, they go looks like the bound they.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of got boing. Okay, then he ate my boy
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: and trancers startled by his furry shorts. Lorve is a
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: many trousered thing. Are these my bazoomas I see before me? Yeah,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: the title's gone.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: I stopped at some point because they because it was
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the general vibers. He goes between rob in the books,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: she goes between Robbie and.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: Dave the Laugh.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Because David Laugh is her age and they do have
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: a lot, and George is funny, so they have a
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: laugh together.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: And then Robbie's kind of not that funny, but he's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: very hot and in a band. That's the kind of.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: General viber But then they brought in a third love interest, Massimo,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: who's Italian.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Wait I remember him, Okay, so you remember.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: And he had a little purse that he carried around.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I can't deal with a third
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: love interest. I think that's what I checked out.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: I was like, you, it's either going to be Robbie
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: or Dave, but I can't. You can't bring in a thing.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I do feel like it is in a way like
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: having what's a feeling about Georgia, especially when I was
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: a kid, was like, it's very much like she is
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: like a funny, like normal looking quote unquote girl who
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: so many boys want to take her and you're like, oh,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: of course I'm going to love that book. That's that
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: was my dream at the time. It's like, what if
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: nothing about me changed and every hot boy I knew
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: I love you, like, but you did have to change.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: You had to do yoga. Remember it's true, it's true.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: True. It's not that no, no, I had to get
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: on the mat. I wish that this.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is obviously a component of this movie
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: that focuses on like the female friendship, but it's all
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: in the context of like they're talking about boys, and
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: they're talking about how to be more attractive to boys, and.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: It's all like in service of the goal of getting
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they are close friends, except yeah.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: But tragically.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: And then I think even the way the like parental
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: dynamic and like relationship between Georgia and her parents is
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: framed is like, Oh, my dad's so corny, but now
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: that he's gone, I really miss him and I don't
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: want to have I don't want my parents to split up. Meanwhile,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: my slag of a mom is over here right having sex, Yeah,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: I with someone else.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and also even like if Georgia was right, I
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: mean again and just like she's fourteen. I get it,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: like you're fourteen. Probably a lot of fourteen year olds
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: don't want their parents to split up. I know my
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't want my parents to but then they did,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that was so the right call. Wow,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: oh good god.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: You know you guys knew cool.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, we should have done this years ago.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: But I get that it's like scary for kids when
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: it happens. But yeah, it's like she's totally taking it
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: out on her mom. And also her mom seems happier,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Like her mom's going out, she has hobbies, she's with
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: your friends, things that I don't. It's not implied she
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: was really doing when her dad was around. I was like, Georgia,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I think your mom like might be happier without your dad.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: You would have to accept that. She's like, I hate
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: how my mom is wearing clothes she likes and having fun.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I missed when my dad was here and she was miserable.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: But she wasn't miserable. She was really horny for her.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: It seems like he's just really horny, basically horny for life.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: She's hardy for life. Yeah, I don't know, but I
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: just yeah, that was like a weird. There is sort
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: of like a paternalistic frame to how the parents are shown.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: But her dad also played by Alan Davies.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where do I know him from?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: Who is easing? Do you watch QI here?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: No? No?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: Did you watch Oh my God Jonathan Creek?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: What's cooled?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: I never watched.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, he's just like a really classic British comedian actor.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, I recognize him from something, and.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: He in these murder mysteries. But he's just yeah, he's like,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: he's like my dad, if you know what I mean.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: You know these people that you grow up with, and
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, I feel like I know him. I've
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: never met him. I don't think i've met him.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: He's very charming, like yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: He's got that kind of energy and everything.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I did. I mean it's like her parents
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: do love each other. I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: It just feels the movie is weird.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's rare that you're allowed to break into
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: your dad's work office to be like, I need my
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: parents not to boss, so please send him home from
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: his job.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: I mean it's hard to do that.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: We can't accuse Georgia of not having narrative agency. She
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: literally said bring him home.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: And it worked and they were like, yes, we should
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: bring him home and give him a raise.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: It's just the movie and the book feel very just
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: reflective of the times and not challenging any of the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: like internalized misogyny and the like focused on like heteral
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: romance and.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that, right, which a book of this time,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like, if it was part of
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: the filmmaker or writer's intent to present that and then
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: challenge it, that could be really useful for young girls,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: but that's obviously like this is more of just like
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: a reflecting the prejudices of the time persons saying anything
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: It's I think that the success I guess of like
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: something like Mean Girls, which is like the comparison, right
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: of like fourteen fifteen year old girls.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: Trying to get a boyfriend, and then there's one like
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: weird one, but.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Like, because they're supposed to all suck, it doesn't matter
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: what they say because you know they're bad characters.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: But then the problem is we're trying to like Georgia, right,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: She's yeah, It's like.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: The Nickelodeon movie style is not built for the kind
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: of character that that Georgia is. I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I had a hard time when this look. Yeah, it's
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: a it's a tricky one.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just it's just had to deal with.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: Like she gets pushed into a bush by this man.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, missy, she's paid this man to go around
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: his house to snog him.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: And then he's, well, that was consensual.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: That was consensual, and that's fine. That's a kind of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: sex work.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if she does pay him. We don't
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: see money exchanged on the screen.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it's a voluntary service.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe he just doesn't because he wants to snog or
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: he's fourteen years old. I think probably best not to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: overthink kiss it's a consensual encounter.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: But maybe he just offers it voluntarily.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know for.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Sure either way. Yeah, like that that is you know,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: two consenting parties. It's not snogging. But then he does
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: surprise kiss her and put.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: Her into a bush. Here shelter, you shelter, and people
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: are not sympathetic about it.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: No, And then that's like her best friend calls her
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: basically like the next thing was jazz. Jazz is so
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: mean to her.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like, well, your nickers were just stop.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: They were too big, Mike, they were too big. Grandma
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: whears nickers like that.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: I was like we And I was like, that's upsetting
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: because I feel like, also I remembering a teenager and
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: that sort of thing may be kind of happening and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: people not being sympathetic because it is your fault.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: I mean again, very reflective of the time. Yeah, there's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: also something that I'm glad the movie leaves out, but
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: that is present in the book where she has this
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: cousin who comes to visit every now and then, and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: then like.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd forgotten about the cousin. Whoa, and you already
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: do broadcast stuff, don't you.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: So like the cousin is like a boy her age,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: but he's like ancestually like groping her leg and I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: think tries to kiss her and like, yes, like really
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: upsetting troubling things. Again, the movie leaves this out, but again,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: but also the book doesn't. Like She's just like, well
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: that was weird. I don't want to hang out with
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: that cousin anymore. A very like you know, fourteen year
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: old way.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: To process that, honest, see how I process it? No, right,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: you Honestly, if that happened, I'd be like, I'm going
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: to hang out less than my cousin. Yea, for sure.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: It's just I don't know this. The book in the
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: movie touch on things that like aren't.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: Equipped to like really handle it handle right. Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Well, and I also read that Louise rennaiscing Yeah, started
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: as like an edgy stand up and it feels like
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: she just sort of adapted that style to her fourteen
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: year old's voice, which like didn't work is a standard yeah,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: And then I guess she wrote these books in her forties,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Like she didn't start as a youth writer. So it's like,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I see what she's going for and it definitely worked
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: for us at the time.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: This comedy doesn't work out, I'm gonna write inappropriate books.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: Famously, like don't Read Now. Publishing is very famously not
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: a well paid, no, not a livable gig.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Something that the movie does and I think the book
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: does to a slightly more extent, is like commentary from
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Georgia talking about how like unoriginal, uncreative, how dim boys are,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: how they're like losers who she generally doesn't want. And
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: there's like I think one extra boy that she like
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: dates for a little while in the book that's not
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: in the movie, but she's like always trying to avoid
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: him because she's like, I don't even know if I
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: like him, but it's nice to have a boyfriend because
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: that's that's what society tells me I should have. So
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: you know, there's things like that. But I do like
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: that she's often like ragging on boys.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and also the boys aren't very fully formed, they're
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: very they're undeveloped.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I wanted to just touch really quick on how they
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: had the Lindsay character. Yeah, because they are. I felt
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: like like there should is there a phrase for this
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: where it was like the movie was extremely focused on
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: her body. There was literally like a close up of
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: her boobs because because you're seeing I think her body
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: from like George's perspective of like she's hyper focused on
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: So it is the female gaze, but it's still not great.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: But the female game is very judgmentally yes, yes, and
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: like which it can.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Be that absolutely and like that's sort of how I like,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: I don't love how they treat Lindsay at the beginning
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: where they just sort of say she's mean, but then
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: they hyper fixate on her body. But then it turns
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: out like the judgment they're projecting on her turns out
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: to be true and she is mean, and I feel
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: like it's, yeah, like they just have no these girls
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: have no empathy for each other whatsoever, which can be true,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: it seems, but I'm like, it just made me really uncomfortable,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: especially at the end when Lindsay comes back and you know,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: does the whole like you're a bitch and he's my boyfriend,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: like just not even acting like a person. I don't know.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, and then they humiliate her by like ripping out
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: the silicone.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Like bra and she's is having a carry moment and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: then but the music is like, yeah, like.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: She wears faked. You shouldn't reach into people's bros.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: No, that's assault. That is assault. And it's also like
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: And then it's having a bad time anyway because she's
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: already a bathday when no one's uh at the club.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: I also has two clubs, they're both free Friday night,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: and that two teenagers hire them out instead. I was
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: like this is not realistic.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: It's really I just like thought that character was so
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: uneven in the way she was treated, especially because I
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, like being a teen without Teddies in two
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: thousand and eight, there would be pressure to like I
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: remember like wearing padded bras in the two thousands because
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to get made fun of for having
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: small boobs. There's no way to win. Yeah, there's no
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: way to win. And the fact that they are like
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: extremely judgmental for her, which for what I'm they make
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: it seem like, I feel like it's a very common
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: internalized misogyny thing. They project that she is like vain
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: and not that they're that like the oppressive ways that
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: women's bodies are viewed applies to them, but not to
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Lindsay because they don't like her, and it's just like, well,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: no like. But then Lindsay turns out to be awful
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: and she does.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Hoky stics, right, Well, maybe we know she's bad.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Well because of the thing is like, if she is
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: mean and mean to them, that is a great reason
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: not to like her.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: But if someone spy don't meet through my house, maybe
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: I would hit them home with hoy stacks and it's.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Like her being mean is separate from her like, you know,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: succumbing to societal pressure to try to be attractive. But
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: that's I think a larger reason why they don't like her,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: versus like that she's mean.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: It seems that way they don't like her, Yeah, because
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: she's the hall right.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: It's and it's also like, yeah, it's fine to imply
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: that they don't like her because she's mean, but it
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: just doesn't I don't know, it just doesn't really feel
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: like the whole story. And also it's like, I don't know,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: there's grown ups made this movie, like like you can, like.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: You've got to remember all the time the two men
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: and two American men, people.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: In their forties made this whole thing, and so it
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: was like so it's like, yeah, it is. I feel
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: like there is like a level of authenticity of like
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we all have examples of like whether it
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: was happening to you or coming from you, like resenting
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: other girls for their body, especially at this age, Like
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I remember being really jealous of, like and like resentful
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: in some ways of girls who were more developed than
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I was. It's a fine thing to reflect, but again
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: it's like they just show it and they're like, and
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: that's how the world is. And there's no like, I
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, not that it needed to be like a
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: you know, total Disney movie of like I'm sorry I
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: was mean to you about your boobs or whatever the fuck,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: but like it just is presented very like, yeah, Lindsay's horrible,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: and show is her slaggy body. Like it just feels
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: like it's all included.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: And she deserves to be humiliated at the end, and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: Georgia deserves to have the reward of a cute boyfriend.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: And the end a really huge party, like it doesn't
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: imply that Georgia is particularly popular, and there's a hundreds
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: of and no one goes to Lindsay's party. And I
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: was like, I don't see it, Like what, No, she
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: did all this internal work and everyone's watched from a
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: distance and was like, you've got really good with yogas,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: so now we're will come to your past.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: If I was Ellen, I wouldn't even show up, Like,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: you've never said a nice thing to me.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been bullying me the whole movie. Well, you
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: have to remember that there are so many adults at
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: this party, including both of her parents and.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Her grandparents and her.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: And the interior decorator, which, by the way, Jem, who
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: is like the interior decorator, is like, hello, I'm an
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: interior decorator. Obviously I'm gay, and it's like, okay, that.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Was wild where it was like suddenly she was like no,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: don't an affair with Jem and everyone he was like hello,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: and it was like okay, but he's not actually said
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: to hello like that the whole time, so we didn't.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Know that literally, Like it was just I was like,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: was this Did people see this in two thousand and
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: eight and be like wow, representation is so important, Like.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: I didn't even know that. I knew he was an
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: interior decorator. Yeah, right, Like no, that means anything I need.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: We can't, of course, but she can come in all sexuality.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: She calls him a builder the whole time, and then
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: he's like why would you lie about that?
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: And also build, he is.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: An interior decorator. Nothing about the house changes.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: What did he do?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: He's a bad He takes off his shirt and just
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: sort of looks at the wall.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what is he like when he's existing a light bulb?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, they just go out dancing all the time.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: That's what I mean when I which you don't do
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: with your.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Question to bring them back to boying parents. That's exactly
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: what it is like there. If you like think about
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: what they just always do the goofiest thing possible in
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: this scene, that's the most embarrassing. But if you think about, like, well,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: what are they actually doing, like, the answer is like,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: No fucking idea what they're doing.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: They're just they were born to embarrass Georgia. That's all
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, yeah, my last thing.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: And we've already touched on this, but it's just like
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: yet another example of a coming of age movie about
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: teen girls that center white middle class to upper middle
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: class characters. And that's so many of movies of this ILK. Yeah,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: and this is yet another entry into.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: That cannon.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: So Christian not Bend and I Beckham. So that's weird
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: that I know.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess, yeah, the takeaway skip this movie
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: and watch Bend it like Beckham instead.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, And I don't think that the director agree
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: with them. I think she would probably be like, no,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: definitely that one.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I found it funny but in a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: painful way. Yes, there were parts I had to I will.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: It's like one of the movies that I understand why
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: people liked it at the time, but like it's such
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: a product of its time and there's so many better
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: alternatives that I wouldn't be Like even for nostalgia. I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: feel like it wasn't it wasn't great.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was bad nostalgia. It was it was triggering.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Because it was like, oh, I did live this, but
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't want. I have no desire to read of
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: my teenage.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nostalgia culture is wild in that way where you're like, oh, yeah,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I really miss when people would bully you for fucking anything. Yeah,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: I mean not that that's not true now, but it's
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: different now. Different anyways. Yeah, this movie does pass the
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: Bechdel test, but not very much. They're mostly talking about boys,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: if I think it mainly passes when they're talking about
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: angus or what they think.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: About, but not frontal of the women.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Right, I was saying when they're judging each other's bodies,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: I think that whole like scene where they're passing around
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: the notes of like judging each other's spot.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: For each other's bodies. Out of ten Okay, that.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: With my friend. I hope I didn't do that, but
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: that's I remember boys doing that to girls. Yeah, god, yeah,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget seventh grade, there was like a list
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: going around and it accidentally came to my desk of
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: like the boys were ranking girls by butt and I
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: remembered being like, I'm in I'm in the middle, just coast,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: just coast. Yeah, but it was like, I mean horrible,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: but I and I know that like young women especially
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: that time, were you know, conditioned to judge each other too,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: But that seem was so weird. It passes the Bechel test,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: but it's just being like, here's what's ugly about you. Yeah,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, your nose gets a four out of ten. Yeah,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: and that's what she's So it'scure about I know, I
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: kind of didn't forgive Jazz for that. I was like,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: that was that was dark. You shouldn't have done that.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it does pass the Bechtel test, but most
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: of the conversations, either the context or the subtext is
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: still about boys and being attractive to boys and stuff
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: like that, so it's like almost not pass Honestly.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Spiritually, I don't feel like it passes.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, as far as our nipple scale, though, where
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: we rate the movie based on a scale of zero
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: to five nipples, examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it, like.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: I'll say, like a one, somewhere between like a one
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: point five and a two maybe, like I guess one
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: point seventy five, just because it is about young girls
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: and they are friends that are like mostly on good
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: terms with each other, except for when they're bullying Ellen.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Or they're you know, fighting or horrible to each other. Yeah,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: it is definitely about younger.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: Girls, but it's it is very much one.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go one.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give all my nipples to Angus the cat obviously, Okay.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: I love to hear it. I'll meet you at one
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: point five. I And it's partially out of like my
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: love for Garundo Chada's other work. And it was really
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: nice reading about how, like how the young actors on
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: set learned a lot from her and felt empowered by
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: like watching a woman direct a movie which happened even
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: less then than it did now, and particularly a woman
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: of color, and like there's there are things to love about,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: but like, but I like the behind the scenes story
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: way more than I like the actual product. It's just
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: like so of its time. It feels really studio workshopped
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: to death and yeah, justice for Ellen. So I'll go
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: one point five and I'll also give them to Angus
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: and now Gus three three, Well, he's half cats have
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: eight nipples? Oh way, how did how did you? Jamie cat?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: I haven't, to be fair, I have not talked about
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: cat facts with Caitlin in a very long time.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: I count my own cat's nipples and I only see, well,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: some of them do only have six, okay, but some
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: of them have eight. Casper has six. Wow, I know special,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: unless he's got some fair tires.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they'rehidden. Some of them I think are kind
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: of smaller than the others.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: His are like very out. It's weird. Yeah, yeah, like
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: you're not even using these things?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: What do you do?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: I also quickly want to say, to be clear, the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: hetero girls liking boys is not inherently bad, Like I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: don't know, it's just that like the way it's framed
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: in this movie, and also all the extra stuff of
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: them being homophobic and fat phobic and all that kind
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: of stuff. It's just it could have been framed very
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: differently or thought more thoughtfully.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: And I think it's like just the thing that we
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: talk about a lot in movies like this, where it's
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: it's not even like of course, like you know, most
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: kids that age are becoming interested in someone. I mean,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: this is very heteronormative. But also they usually have a
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: hobby or like another interest or like something that they
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: bond over that isn't just talking about each other. It's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: like their whole friendship is predicated on judging each other
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: and trying to get boys. Where it's like I'm sure,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: like like I did that with my friends, but we
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: also like loved watching TV.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: I'd play soccer with my friends all these things. So yeah, yeah, anyway, okay,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: what's your nipple?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Rab?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: I think one point five is fair?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one one and a half nipples And maybe
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: I'm going to give them to Gem's boyfriend.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh yeah. We don't learn his name, but
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: he only no but.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: He's a gay guy who owns a nightclub in Eastbourne,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: which is actually incredibly aggressive for two thousand and eight.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised that there was. And he seems like he's
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: a man of color.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: So I'm surprised that there's a man of color, a
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: queer man of color who owns a nightclub in Eastpown
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight because I was willing to
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: rent it out to a fifteen year old.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, maybe the business is struggling and you
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: had to rent it out to a fifteen year olds.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: But I'm like, yeah, you, yeah, you're There's a lot
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: of representation because he's one character.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: This is a very like conservative area.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like full of old people. I don't know,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: so I'm just I love that for him. He lives
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: by the sea with his boyfriend. He's aner. They're doing
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: really well for themselves.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Inspirational. Yeah, Kate, thank you so much for joining Thank
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: you today. Where can we find you online? Where can
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• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Kate Checker c htka Instagram. That's basically beautiful.
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• 1:38:32
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• 1:38:35
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• 1:38:38
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• 1:38:42
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• 1:38:46
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• 1:38:49
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  Speaker 3: That's the best way to support the show, as well
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  Speaker 3: as coming to the live shows and buying tickets to
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  Speaker 3: the live streams. So once again, if you go to
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  Speaker 3: upcoming shows in January in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Portland.
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  Speaker 3: All of the details are on our link Tree, so
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  Speaker 3: hope to see you there. Check out Kate's shows in
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  Speaker 3: the UK, and we'll be back next week for another episode.
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  Speaker 1: Bye bye.
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