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Confronting Bias: A Discussion on Gender and Music · Music Explored Podcast

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  What's
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  funny
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  is
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  I
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  actually.
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  Because
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  I'm
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  taking
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  piano
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  lessons,
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  I
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  actually
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  knew
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  what
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  you
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  were
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  saying
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  and
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  it
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  felt
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  good.
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  Okay,
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  start.
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  I
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  know.
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  Root
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  position.
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  Next
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  up.
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  You're.
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  Can
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  you.
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  Yeah.
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  You're
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  on
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  your
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  way,
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  man.
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  Hopefully.
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  So.
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  Yeah,
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  go
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  ahead.
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  Super
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  fan.
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  I.
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  I'm
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  even
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  afraid
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  to
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  ask
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  this
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  because
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  I'm
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  sure
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  you
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  get
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  asked
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  all
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  the
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  time,
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  but
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  what.
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  What
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  limitations
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  have
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  you
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  had,
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  both
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  with
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  just
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  physically
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  drums
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  being
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  stupid
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  heavy
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  and
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  just
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  people
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  not
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  taking
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  you
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  probably
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  seriously
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  in
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  the
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  beginning?
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  can
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  you
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  tell
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  us
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  about.
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  The
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  thing
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  is,
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  I'm
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  sure
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  every
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  interview
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  has
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  this
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  question,
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  but
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  it
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  is.
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  know.
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  understand,
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  because
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  as
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  a
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  drummer,
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  I
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  know
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  the
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  attitude
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  drummers
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  have
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  had
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  and
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  just
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  musicians
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  in
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  general,
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  I
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  find.
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  Yeah.
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  How
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  did
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  you
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  combat
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  that?
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  So
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  you're
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  sugar
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  coating
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  the
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  question.
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  I
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  mean,
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  just
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  like,
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  it's
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  not
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  his
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  style.
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  It's
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  okay.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  mean,
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  there's
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  also
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  other
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  females
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  who
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  are
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  probably
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  listening
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  who
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  are
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  coming
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  up.
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  So
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  this
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  is.
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  This
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  is
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  good
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  stuff.
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  I'll
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  say
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  things.
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  So
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  I'll
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  say
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  things.
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  Like,
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  so
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  growing
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  up,
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  for
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  me,
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  especially,
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  like,
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  on
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  tour
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  and
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  stuff
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  like
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  that,
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  when
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  I
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  walked
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  in
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  the
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  room,
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  everyone's
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  like,
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  oh,
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  the
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  singer's
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  here.
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  Or
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  when
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  I
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  walked
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  to
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  the
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  drums,
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  like,
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  nobody
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  paid
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  any
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  attention
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  to
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  me.
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  And
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  until
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  I
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  started
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  playing
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  a
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  groove
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  and
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  I'm
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  like,
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  do
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  I
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  have
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  to,
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  like,
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  purposely
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  prove
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  myself
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  every
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  single
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  time?
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  Frustrating.
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  Very
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  frustrating.
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  So
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  that
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  became
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  a
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  thing.
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  And
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  then
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  people
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  started
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  saying,
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  we
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  didn't
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  expect
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  you
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  to
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  play
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  like
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  that.
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  You're
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  amazing.
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  And
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  I'm
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  like,
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  like,
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  like,
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  thank
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  you.
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  Yeah.
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  But,
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  like,
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  yeah,
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  it's
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  a
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  bit,
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  you.
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  Know,
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  I
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  totally
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  understand.
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  And
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  re.
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  Have
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  you
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  guys
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  heard
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  of
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  drumeo?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  So
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  I
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  don't,
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  like,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  work
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  with
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  drumeo.
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  And
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  back
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  in
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  November,
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  I
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  did.
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  I
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  played
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  Thriller
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  and
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  drumeo's
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  like,
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  talk
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  about
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  something
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  that's
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  very
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  near
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  and
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  dear
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  to
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  your
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  heart.
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  So
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  I'm
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  like,
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  all
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  right,
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  cool.
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  Like,
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  gender
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  inequality.
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  And
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  this
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  was
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  the
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  first
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  time
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  I
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  really,
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  like,
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  talked
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  about
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  something
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  that
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  was
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  not
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  political,
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  but
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  maybe
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  some
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  people
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  could,
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  like,
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  argue
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  against
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  for
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  sure.
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  I
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  didn't
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  know
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  how
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  it
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  would
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  have
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  been
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  received.
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  okay,
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  no
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  one's
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  even
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  going
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  to
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  pay
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  any
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  attention.
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  Oh,
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  my
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  God.
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  The
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  chaos
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  that
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  that
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  video
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  caused
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  online.
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  Oh,
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  my
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  God.
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  Like,
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  I
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  couldn't
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  sleep
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  for
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  two
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  nights.
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  Like,
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  I
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  would
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  say
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  60%
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  of
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  people
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  were
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  like,
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  yes,
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  gender
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  inequality
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  exists.
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  And
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  then
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  40%
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  was
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  like,
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  we
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  talking
• 2:25
  about
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  men
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  face
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  the
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  same
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  thing.
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  And
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  I
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  go
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  here,
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  but
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  I
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  do.
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  So,
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  like,
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  for
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  example.
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  Yeah,
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  okay,
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  I'll
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  do
• 2:31
  it.
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  Lace
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  up
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  your
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  boots.
• 2:34
  Let's
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  go,
• 2:34
  let's
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  go.
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  So,
• 2:35
  you
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  know,
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  like,
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  black.
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  Black
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  lives
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  matter.
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  And
• 2:39
  when
• 2:39
  people
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  said
• 2:39
  all
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  lives
• 2:40
  matter,
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  it's
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  like,
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  I'm
• 2:42
  not
• 2:42
  comparing,
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  but
• 2:43
  I'm
• 2:43
  saying
• 2:44
  the
• 2:44
  effect
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  that
• 2:45
  you
• 2:45
  feel
• 2:46
  when.
• 2:46
  When
• 2:47
  you're
• 2:47
  facing
• 2:47
  something
• 2:48
  and
• 2:48
  someone
• 2:48
  says,
• 2:48
  but
• 2:49
  we
• 2:49
  face
• 2:49
  it,
• 2:49
  too,
• 2:49
  but
• 2:50
  it's
• 2:50
  like,
• 2:50
  it's
• 2:51
  different.
• 2:51
  Hello?
• 2:52
  So
• 2:53
  that's
• 2:53
  what
• 2:53
  was
• 2:53
  happening.
• 2:54
  And
• 2:54
  then
• 2:54
  I
• 2:54
  got
• 2:54
  to
• 2:54
  a
• 2:54
  point
• 2:54
  where
• 2:55
  I'm
• 2:55
  like,
• 2:55
  you
• 2:55
  know
• 2:55
  what?
• 2:55
  Like,
• 2:55
  I
• 2:56
  don't
• 2:56
  have
• 2:56
  to
• 2:56
  owe
• 2:56
  anybody
• 2:57
  an
• 2:57
  explanation.
• 2:58
  So
• 2:58
  then
• 2:58
  after
• 2:58
  that
• 2:59
  point,
• 2:59
  I'm
• 2:59
  just
• 2:59
  like,
• 2:59
  I'm
• 2:59
  just
• 2:59
  going
• 3:00
  to
• 3:00
  keep
• 3:00
  speaking
• 3:00
  my
• 3:00
  mind
• 3:00
  after
• 3:01
  that.
• 3:01
  So
• 3:02
  anyway,
• 3:02
  like,
• 3:02
  people
• 3:03
  don't
• 3:03
  understand,
• 3:03
  and
• 3:04
  it's
• 3:04
  a
• 3:04
  hard
• 3:04
  thing
• 3:04
  all
• 3:04
  the
• 3:04
  time.
• 3:04
  Even,
• 3:05
  like,
• 3:05
  feeling
• 3:05
  sometimes
• 3:06
  unsafe.
• 3:06
  The
• 3:07
  simplest
• 3:07
  thing
• 3:07
  is,
• 3:07
  like,
• 3:07
  walking
• 3:08
  around
• 3:08
  at
• 3:08
  nighttime.
• 3:09
  Right.
• 3:09
  I
• 3:09
  always
• 3:10
  tell,
• 3:10
  like.
• 3:10
  Like
• 3:11
  the
• 3:11
  guys
• 3:11
  around
• 3:11
  me,
• 3:11
  like,
• 3:12
  wait
• 3:12
  for
• 3:12
  me.
• 3:12
  Right.
• 3:13
  You
• 3:13
  know,
• 3:13
  So
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  always
• 3:13
  tell
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  them
• 3:16
  they
• 3:16
  should
• 3:16
  know.
• 3:17
  So
• 3:17
  whatever.
• 3:18
  Guys
• 3:18
  are
• 3:18
  listening
• 3:19
  right
• 3:19
  now.
• 3:19
  Like,
• 3:19
  when
• 3:19
  you
• 3:19
  see,
• 3:20
  like,
• 3:20
  a
• 3:20
  lady,
• 3:20
  just,
• 3:21
  like,
• 3:21
  wait
• 3:21
  for
• 3:21
  her
• 3:21
  and
• 3:22
  make
• 3:22
  sure
• 3:22
  she
• 3:22
  goes
• 3:23
  to
• 3:23
  her
• 3:23
  car
• 3:23
  safely
• 3:23
  and
• 3:24
  stuff
• 3:24
  like
• 3:24
  that.
• 3:24
  And
• 3:25
  you
• 3:25
  be
• 3:25
  safe.
• 3:25
  Don't
• 3:25
  be
• 3:25
  a
• 3:25
  creep,
• 3:26
  too.
• 3:26
  Yeah,
• 3:26
  yeah,
• 3:26
  don't.
• 3:27
  And
• 3:27
  there's
• 3:27
  been,
• 3:27
  like,
• 3:27
  creeps
• 3:28
  around
• 3:28
  me,
• 3:28
  too.
• 3:28
  And
• 3:28
  you
• 3:29
  gotta
• 3:29
  like,
• 3:30
  yeah.
• 3:30
  Oh,
• 3:30
  my.
• 3:31
  That's
• 3:31
  a
• 3:32
  whole
• 3:32
  other
• 3:32
  thing.
• 3:33
  And
• 3:33
  if
• 3:33
  you're
• 3:33
  walking
• 3:34
  alone
• 3:34
  at
• 3:34
  night
• 3:34
  and
• 3:34
  you
• 3:35
  see
• 3:35
  a
• 3:35
  woman
• 3:35
  or
• 3:36
  anybody
• 3:36
  who
• 3:36
  seems
• 3:36
  vulnerable
• 3:37
  coming
• 3:37
  towards
• 3:37
  you
• 3:37
  cross
• 3:37
  the
• 3:38
  street,
• 3:38
  do
• 3:38
  them
• 3:38
  a
• 3:38
  favor.
• 3:39
  Yeah,
• 3:39
  yeah.
• 3:40
  Run
• 3:41
  ice
• 3:41
  cream
• 3:41
  and
• 3:42
  run.
• 3:42
  Run
• 3:42
  away.
• 3:44
  But,
• 3:44
  you
• 3:45
  know,
• 3:45
  one
• 3:45
  thing
• 3:45
  that,
• 3:47
  you
• 3:47
  know,
• 3:47
  hunting
• 3:48
  for
• 3:48
  educational
• 3:49
  videos
• 3:49
  and
• 3:50
  all
• 3:50
  that.
• 3:51
  One
• 3:51
  thing
• 3:51
  that
• 3:52
  did
• 3:53
  always
• 3:53
  bother
• 3:54
  me
• 3:54
  is
• 3:54
  that
• 3:54
  the.
• 3:55
  The
• 3:55
  videos
• 3:55
  of
• 3:56
  female
• 3:56
  drummers
• 3:57
  that
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  algorithm
• 3:59
  favored
• 4:01
  were
• 4:01
  not
• 4:01
  necessarily
• 4:02
  very
• 4:03
  skilled.
• 4:04
  I
• 4:04
  know
• 4:05
  where
• 4:05
  you're
• 4:05
  going
• 4:05
  with
• 4:05
  this.
• 4:05
  Yeah.
• 4:06
  And
• 4:06
  I'm
• 4:06
  just
• 4:06
  like,
• 4:07
  there's
• 4:08
  no
• 4:08
  way
• 4:09
  that
• 4:09
  there
• 4:09
  aren't
• 4:09
  female
• 4:10
  drummers
• 4:11
  that
• 4:11
  kick
• 4:11
  ass
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  have
• 4:12
  to
• 4:12
  really
• 4:13
  look
• 4:13
  for
• 4:13
  them.
• 4:14
  And
• 4:15
  what
• 4:16
  are
• 4:16
  your
• 4:16
  thoughts
• 4:16
  on
• 4:16
  that?
• 4:17
  Because
• 4:17
  it's
• 4:17
  obviously
• 4:19
  a
• 4:19
  veneer
• 4:19
  of
• 4:19
  what
• 4:19
  the
• 4:20
  world's
• 4:20
  actually
• 4:20
  like
• 4:21
  on
• 4:21
  my
• 4:21
  Instagram.
• 4:22
  That's
• 4:22
  interesting.
• 4:23
  Yes.
• 4:23
  Blame
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  algorithm.
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  swear,
• 4:26
  honey,
• 4:27
  this
• 4:27
  is
• 4:27
  what
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  think.
• 4:28
  Like,
• 4:28
  every
• 4:29
  human
• 4:29
  being
• 4:30
  who's
• 4:30
  a
• 4:30
  drummer
• 4:30
  is
• 4:31
  good
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  bad,
• 4:32
  but
• 4:33
  what
• 4:33
  society
• 4:34
  does
• 4:34
  today
• 4:35
  is
• 4:35
  because
• 4:35
  women
• 4:36
  can
• 4:37
  look
• 4:37
  cute.
• 4:38
  You
• 4:38
  know,
• 4:38
  they
• 4:38
  can
• 4:38
  look
• 4:39
  sexy
• 4:39
  online
• 4:40
  or
• 4:40
  whatever,
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  then
• 4:41
  they
• 4:42
  get
• 4:42
  labeled
• 4:42
  as,
• 4:42
  oh,
• 4:43
  women
• 4:43
  who
• 4:43
  show
• 4:44
  their
• 4:44
  belly.
• 4:44
  Right.
• 4:45
  Oh,
• 4:46
  so
• 4:46
  that
• 4:46
  means
• 4:46
  all
• 4:46
  women
• 4:47
  who
• 4:47
  are
• 4:47
  cute,
• 4:47
  they
• 4:47
  play
• 4:48
  bad.
• 4:48
  And
• 4:48
  I
• 4:49
  think
• 4:49
  it's
• 4:49
  just
• 4:49
  labels,
• 4:50
  for
• 4:50
  sure.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:50
  when
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  see
• 4:51
  these
• 4:51
  Labels.
• 4:51
  I
• 4:52
  see
• 4:52
  it
• 4:52
  across
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  board,
• 4:53
  even
• 4:53
  in
• 4:53
  terms
• 4:53
  of
• 4:54
  race,
• 4:54
  gender.
• 4:56
  Every.
• 4:56
  Every.
• 4:57
  So
• 4:57
  I
• 4:57
  think,
• 4:58
  like,
• 4:58
  that's
• 4:58
  an
• 4:58
  issue
• 4:59
  because
• 4:59
  it's
• 4:59
  like,
• 4:59
  even
• 5:00
  sometimes
• 5:00
  when
• 5:00
  I,
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:01
  want
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  look
• 5:01
  a
• 5:01
  little
• 5:01
  cute
• 5:01
  and
• 5:02
  play
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  little
• 5:02
  bit
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  drums,
• 5:02
  you
• 5:03
  know,
• 5:03
  like,
• 5:03
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• 5:03
  I
• 5:04
  get
• 5:04
  comments
• 5:04
  like,
• 5:05
  oh,
• 5:06
  she's
• 5:06
  just
• 5:06
  getting
• 5:07
  raised
• 5:07
  because
• 5:08
  she's
• 5:08
  a
• 5:08
  girl.
• 5:09
  And
• 5:09
  it's
• 5:09
  like,
• 5:09
  then
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  means,
• 5:10
  like,
• 5:10
  then
• 5:11
  all
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  work
• 5:12
  that
• 5:12
  I've
• 5:12
  done
• 5:12
  now
• 5:13
  that
• 5:13
  gets
• 5:13
  taken
• 5:13
  away
• 5:13
  from
• 5:14
  me.
• 5:14
  So
• 5:14
  it's
• 5:14
  like,
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  feel
• 5:15
  like
• 5:15
  either
• 5:15
  way
• 5:15
  you
• 5:16
  look
• 5:16
  at
• 5:16
  it,
• 5:16
  it's
• 5:16
  like
• 5:17
  we're
• 5:17
  losing.
• 5:17
  Right?
• 5:18
  But
• 5:18
  not.
• 5:18
  I
• 5:19
  don't
• 5:19
  want
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  like,
• 5:19
  play
• 5:19
  this
• 5:20
  victim
• 5:20
  party.
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  mean,
• 5:21
  like,
• 5:21
  it's
• 5:21
  getting
• 5:21
  better.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  feel
• 5:22
  like
• 5:22
  we're
• 5:23
  at
• 5:23
  such
• 5:23
  a
• 5:23
  good
• 5:24
  place
• 5:24
  now.
• 5:24
  And
• 5:24
  like,
• 5:25
  Sheila
• 5:25
  E.
• 5:25
  She's
• 5:26
  been
• 5:26
  so
• 5:26
  supportive
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  me.
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  played
• 5:27
  like
• 5:27
  on
• 5:28
  a
• 5:28
  song
• 5:28
  with
• 5:28
  her.
• 5:30
  So
• 5:30
  why
• 5:30
  am
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  surprised
• 5:31
  that,
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:31
  she,
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  course,
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  know,
• 5:32
  she,
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  course.
• 5:32
  Yeah.
• 5:34
  But
• 5:35
  like,
• 5:35
  people
• 5:35
  like
• 5:35
  K,
• 5:36
  everyone's
• 5:36
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• 5:36
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• 5:36
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• 5:37
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• 5:37
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• 5:37
  So
• 5:38
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• 5:38
  It's
• 5:38
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• 5:38
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• 5:39
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• 5:39
  believe
• 5:39
  it
• 5:39
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• 5:40
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• 6:01
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• 6:01
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• 6:01
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• 6:02
  stopped
• 6:02
  at
• 6:02
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• 6:02
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• 6:03
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  it
• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
  overwhelming.
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  It's
• 6:04
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• 6:06
  stopping
• 6:06
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  As
• 6:07
  of
• 6:08
  this
• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
  of
• 6:09
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• 6:09
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• 6:10
  It's
• 6:10
  hurtful,
• 6:10
  like,
• 6:11
  especially.
• 6:12
  Yeah.
• 6:12
  And
• 6:13
  like,
• 6:13
  since
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  pandemic
• 6:14
  started,
• 6:14
  like,
• 6:16
  and
• 6:16
  I
• 6:16
  did
• 6:16
  that
• 6:16
  Thriller
• 6:17
  video
• 6:17
  where
• 6:17
  I
• 6:17
  got
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  lot
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  negative
• 6:18
  comments,
• 6:18
  I'm
• 6:19
  like,
• 6:19
  I
• 6:19
  have
• 6:19
  nothing
• 6:20
  to
• 6:20
  lose.
• 6:20
  Let
• 6:20
  me
• 6:20
  just
• 6:21
  freaking
• 6:21
  be
• 6:21
  me.
• 6:22
  Just
• 6:23
  go
• 6:23
  for
• 6:23
  it.
• 6:23
  And
• 6:23
  even
• 6:24
  like
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  merch
• 6:24
  that
• 6:24
  I
• 6:25
  launched,
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  don't
• 6:25
  know
• 6:25
  if
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  guys
• 6:25
  got
• 6:25
  a
• 6:25
  chance
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  check
• 6:26
  it
• 6:26
  out.
• 6:26
  You
• 6:27
  know,
• 6:27
  Got
• 6:27
  your
• 6:27
  face
• 6:28
  on.
• 6:28
  Oh
• 6:28
  my.
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  was
• 6:28
  gonna
• 6:29
  wear
• 6:29
  that
• 6:29
  today,
• 6:29
  actually.
• 6:30
  Let
• 6:30
  me
• 6:30
  wear
• 6:30
  these
• 6:31
  red
• 6:31
  ones
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  look
• 6:31
  good
• 6:31
  on
• 6:31
  camera.
• 6:33
  But
• 6:33
  it's
• 6:34
  just
• 6:34
  like
• 6:34
  trying
• 6:34
  to
• 6:34
  be
• 6:34
  my
• 6:34
  stuff.
• 6:35
  And
• 6:35
  some
• 6:35
  people
• 6:35
  are
• 6:35
  like,
• 6:36
  she's
• 6:36
  on
• 6:36
  acid,
• 6:37
  she's
• 6:37
  on
• 6:37
  drugs.
• 6:39
  She
• 6:39
  needs.
• 6:39
  She
• 6:39
  needs
• 6:40
  a
• 6:40
  psychiatrist.
• 6:41
  People
• 6:41
  that
• 6:42
  don't
• 6:42
  know
• 6:42
  you,
• 6:42
  it's
• 6:42
  just
• 6:42
  ridiculous.
• 6:43
  But
• 6:43
  it's
• 6:44
  okay.
• 6:44
  I
• 6:45
  like
• 6:45
  it
• 6:45
  because
• 6:46
  it's
• 6:46
  like,
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  know,
• 6:47
  we're
• 6:47
  all.
• 6:47
  Okay
• 6:47
  not
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  get
• 6:48
  a
• 6:48
  little
• 6:49
  philosophical,
• 6:50
  like,
• 6:50
  we're
• 6:50
  all
• 6:50
  children
• 6:51
  of
• 6:51
  God,
• 6:51
  right?
• 6:52
  Like,
• 6:52
  we're
• 6:52
  all
• 6:53
  beautiful.
• 6:53
  And
• 6:53
  why
• 6:54
  do
• 6:54
  we
• 6:54
  have
• 6:54
  to
• 6:54
  be
• 6:55
  one
• 6:55
  specific
• 6:56
  way
• 6:56
  to
• 6:56
  be
• 6:56
  accepted
• 6:57
  in
• 6:57
  society.
• 6:58
  So
• 6:58
  I'm
• 6:58
  just
• 6:58
  trying
• 6:59
  to,
• 6:59
  like,
• 6:59
  break
• 7:00
  those
• 7:00
  boundaries.
• 7:01
  That's
• 7:01
  it.
• 7:02
  But
• 7:02
  do
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  find
• 7:03
  that
• 7:05
  reading
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  comments
• 7:05
  had
• 7:06
  an
• 7:06
  effect
• 7:06
  on
• 7:07
  you?
• 7:07
  Yeah,
• 7:07
  because
• 7:08
  it
• 7:08
  made
• 7:08
  me
• 7:09
  question
• 7:09
  what
• 7:09
  I'm
• 7:10
  doing
• 7:10
  and
• 7:10
  if
• 7:10
  I'm
• 7:10
  good
• 7:11
  enough
• 7:11
  or
• 7:11
  if
• 7:11
  I'm
• 7:11
  right
• 7:11
  or
• 7:12
  wrong.
• 7:12
  And
• 7:12
  you
• 7:12
  think
• 7:13
  still
• 7:13
  reading
• 7:13
  it
• 7:13
  is
• 7:13
  okay?
• 7:14
  Like,
• 7:14
  instead
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  just
• 7:15
  avoiding
• 7:15
  it,
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  think.
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  don't
• 7:17
  know.
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  think
• 7:18
  you
• 7:18
  can't
• 7:18
  avoid
• 7:18
  it.
• 7:19
  Because
• 7:19
  sometimes
• 7:19
  what
• 7:19
  if
• 7:19
  you
• 7:19
  see
• 7:20
  it?
• 7:20
  Like,
• 7:20
  if
• 7:20
  you
• 7:20
  open.
• 7:20
  I
• 7:21
  open
• 7:21
  my
• 7:21
  phone,
• 7:21
  I'll
• 7:21
  be
• 7:21
  like,
• 7:22
  oh,
• 7:22
  negative
• 7:22
  comment.
• 7:23
  Right.
• 7:23
  So
• 7:23
  if
• 7:23
  I
• 7:24
  try
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  dodge
• 7:24
  something
• 7:25
  or
• 7:25
  avoid
• 7:25
  it,
• 7:25
  I'm
• 7:26
  resisting
• 7:26
  it
• 7:27
  rather
• 7:27
  than.
• 7:28
  Yeah.
• 7:28
  And
• 7:29
  then
• 7:29
  it
• 7:29
  kind
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  just
• 7:29
  like,
• 7:29
  it
• 7:29
  stays
• 7:30
  there
• 7:30
  and
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  lingers
• 7:30
  there.
• 7:31
  So,
• 7:31
  oh,
• 7:32
  that
• 7:32
  person
• 7:32
  thinks
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  I
• 7:33
  suck
• 7:33
  or
• 7:34
  whatever.
• 7:34
  That's
• 7:35
  their
• 7:35
  opinion.
• 7:35
  But,
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  know,
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  love
• 7:36
  what
• 7:36
  I
• 7:37
  do,
• 7:37
  and
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  don't
• 7:37
  need,
• 7:37
  like,
• 7:38
  somebody's
• 7:38
  validation,
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  know,
• 7:40
  especially
• 7:40
  through
• 7:40
  that.
• 7:41
  You've
• 7:41
  already
• 7:41
  more
• 7:42
  than
• 7:42
  proven
• 7:42
  yourself.
• 7:43
  Continue
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  do
• 7:43
  that
• 7:43
  every
• 7:44
  day.
• 7:44
  Appreciate
• 7:44
  that.
• 7:44
  You're
• 7:45
  outplaying,
• 7:45
  outperforming
• 7:46
  almost
• 7:47
  everybody.
• 7:48
  Right.
• 7:48
  So
• 7:49
  listen,
• 7:49
  if
• 7:49
  you
• 7:49
  guys
• 7:50
  have
• 7:50
  something
• 7:50
  negative
• 7:50
  to
• 7:51
  say
• 7:51
  to
• 7:51
  Sarah,
• 7:52
  email
• 7:52
  us.
• 7:53
  Yeah.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:53
  we'll
• 7:53
  deal
• 7:53
  with
• 7:53
  you.
• 7:54
  Deal
• 7:54
  with
• 7:54
  you.
• 7:56
  Hey,
• 7:56
  man,
• 7:57
  I
• 7:57
  hung
• 7:57
  out
• 7:57
  with
• 7:57
  Jay
• 7:57
  Martin
• 7:58
  on
• 7:58
  It's
• 7:59
  Crazy,
• 7:59
  man.
• 8:01
  Man,
• 8:02
  that's
• 8:02
  funny.
• 8:02
  You
• 8:02
  got
• 8:03
  this,
• 8:03
  Sarah.
• 8:04
  Thank
• 8:04
  you.
• 8:04
  What's
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  best
• 8:05
  email
• 8:06
  or
• 8:06
  phone
• 8:06
  call
• 8:06
  that
• 8:06
  you've
• 8:07
  ever
• 8:07
  received?
• 8:08
  Oh,
• 8:09
  I
• 8:10
  think
• 8:10
  about
• 8:10
  that.
• 8:10
  Second
• 8:11
  to
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  podcast.
• 8:12
  Yeah.
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  was
• 8:12
  gonna
• 8:13
  say
• 8:13
  that
• 8:13
  this
• 8:13
  is
• 8:13
  number
• 8:14
  one.
• 8:14
  That
• 8:14
  was
• 8:14
  assumed.
• 8:15
  Yeah,
• 8:15
  that's
• 8:15
  okay.
• 8:16
  That's
• 8:16
  obvious.
• 8:17
  Number
• 8:17
  two,
• 8:18
  I
• 8:18
  have
• 8:19
  to.
• 8:19
  Oh,
• 8:19
  my
• 8:19
  God.
• 8:19
  The
• 8:20
  best
• 8:20
  phone
• 8:21
  call.
• 8:21
  Ms.
• 8:21
  Cleo.
• 8:25
  You
• 8:25
  might
• 8:25
  be
• 8:25
  too
• 8:25
  young.
• 8:25
  You
• 8:26
  might
• 8:26
  be
• 8:26
  too
• 8:26
  young
• 8:26
  for
• 8:26
  Ms.
• 8:27
  Cleo.
• 8:27
  Wow.
• 8:27
  Ms.
• 8:27
  Cleo.
• 8:28
  Yeah.
• 8:28
  Who's
• 8:29
  Ms.
• 8:29
  Cleo?
• 8:29
  There
• 8:29
  was
• 8:29
  a.
• 8:30
  She
• 8:30
  was
• 8:30
  a
• 8:30
  Jamaica
• 8:31
  fake
• 8:31
  Jamaican
• 8:32
  psychic.
• 8:33
  And
• 8:33
  she'd
• 8:33
  like
• 8:34
  on
• 8:34
  TV
• 8:34
  in
• 8:34
  Toronto.
• 8:35
  It
• 8:35
  was
• 8:35
  local.
• 8:35
  Yeah.
• 8:36
  People
• 8:36
  would
• 8:37
  call
• 8:37
  in
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  ask.
• 8:38
  She
• 8:38
  must
• 8:38
  be
• 8:39
  on
• 8:39
  YouTube.
• 8:39
  Yeah.
• 8:40
  For
• 8:40
  like,
• 8:40
  their
• 8:40
  fortune.
• 8:41
  And
• 8:41
  she
• 8:41
  would.
• 8:41
  Yeah.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  she
• 8:42
  wasn't
• 8:42
  Jamaican.
• 8:43
  No.
• 8:43
  That
• 8:43
  accent
• 8:44
  was
• 8:44
  horrific.
• 8:44
  Maybe
• 8:45
  you
• 8:45
  could
• 8:45
  do
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  Drum
• 8:45
  video
• 8:45
  to
• 8:46
  Ms.
• 8:46
  Cleo.
• 8:46
  Okay,
• 8:47
  I'm
• 8:47
  gonna
• 8:47
  do
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  now.
• 8:49
  We
• 8:50
  can
• 8:50
  chop
• 8:50
  it
• 8:50
  up.
• 8:50
  We
• 8:50
  can
• 8:50
  figure
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  out.
• 8:51
  Maybe
• 8:51
  we
• 8:51
  can
• 8:51
  do
• 8:51
  it
• 8:52
  today.
• 8:53
  Let's
• 8:53
  do
• 8:53
  it
• 8:54
  serious.
• 8:55
  Okay.
• 8:55
  You
• 8:55
  find
• 8:55
  the
• 8:55
  video
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  we'll
• 8:56
  do
• 8:56
  it
• 8:56
  today.
• 8:57
  Done.
• 8:57
  All
• 8:58
  right.
• 8:59
  Who's
• 8:59
  been
• 8:59
  the
• 9:00
  fa.
• 9:00
  Your
• 9:00
  most
• 9:01
  favorite
• 9:01
  artist
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  play
• 9:02
  with?
• 9:02
  Oh.
• 9:03
  Oh.
• 9:04
  I
• 9:05
  guess
• 9:05
  that
• 9:05
  might
• 9:05
  put
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  in
• 9:06
  a
• 9:06
  bad
• 9:06
  situation
• 9:07
  or
• 9:07
  some
• 9:07
  of
• 9:07
  your
• 9:07
  favorite.
• 9:08
  Name
• 9:08
  some.
• 9:08
  You
• 9:08
  have
• 9:09
  to
• 9:09
  name
• 9:09
  one
• 9:09
  too
• 9:09
  many,
• 9:09
  man.
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  can
• 9:10
  imagine.
• 9:11
  Oh,
• 9:11
  man.
• 9:14
  I
• 9:14
  should
• 9:14
  have
• 9:14
  come
• 9:14
  prepared.
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  know.
• 9:15
  Oh,
• 9:16
  you
• 9:16
  played
• 9:16
  with
• 9:16
  Rich
• 9:16
  Brown,
• 9:17
  too?
• 9:17
  What?
• 9:17
  You
• 9:17
  did
• 9:17
  with
• 9:18
  Rich
• 9:18
  Brown.
• 9:18
  Okay,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  know
• 9:18
  what?
• 9:19
  Okay,
• 9:19
  let
• 9:19
  me
• 9:19
  say.
• 9:20
  So
• 9:20
  when
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  played
• 9:20
  with
• 9:20
  Rich
• 9:21
  Brown
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  Mark
• 9:21
  Leteri,
• 9:22
  who's
• 9:22
  from
• 9:22
  Snarky
• 9:22
  Puppy,
• 9:23
  okay.
• 9:23
  We
• 9:23
  played
• 9:23
  at
• 9:24
  Hugh's
• 9:24
  room
• 9:25
  two
• 9:25
  years
• 9:26
  ago
• 9:26
  now,
• 9:27
  and
• 9:27
  it
• 9:27
  was,
• 9:27
  like,
• 9:27
  one
• 9:27
  of
• 9:28
  my
• 9:28
  favorite
• 9:28
  gigs
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  I've
• 9:29
  ever
• 9:29
  done
• 9:29
  because,
• 9:29
  like,
• 9:30
  Mark
• 9:30
  sent
• 9:31
  us
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  music.
• 9:31
  Obviously,
• 9:32
  we
• 9:32
  had
• 9:32
  no
• 9:32
  rehearsal.
• 9:33
  We
• 9:33
  just,
• 9:33
  like,
• 9:33
  did
• 9:33
  sound
• 9:33
  check
• 9:33
  and
• 9:33
  we
• 9:34
  played.
• 9:34
  But
• 9:34
  it
• 9:34
  was
• 9:34
  kind
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  like,
• 9:35
  know
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  music
• 9:35
  and
• 9:36
  do
• 9:36
  your
• 9:36
  thing.
• 9:36
  And
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  felt
• 9:37
  like
• 9:37
  us
• 9:37
  three
• 9:37
  were
• 9:37
  so
• 9:38
  locked
• 9:38
  into
• 9:38
  the
• 9:39
  moment.
• 9:39
  It
• 9:39
  felt
• 9:39
  like
• 9:40
  amazing.
• 9:40
  Nice.
• 9:41
  Magic.
• 9:41
  Oh,
• 9:42
  actually,
• 9:42
  wait.
• 9:43
  Oh,
• 9:43
  another
• 9:43
  one.
• 9:44
  Okay,
• 9:44
  now
• 9:45
  things
• 9:45
  are
• 9:45
  popping
• 9:45
  up.
• 9:46
  Okay,
• 9:46
  so
• 9:47
  at
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  Colbert
• 9:48
  show,
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  played
• 9:49
  with
• 9:49
  Tegan.
• 9:49
  Stephen
• 9:50
  Colbert
• 9:50
  show.
• 9:51
  Oh,
• 9:51
  okay.
• 9:53
  That
• 9:53
  was,
• 9:53
  like,
• 9:54
  one
• 9:54
  year
• 9:54
  ago
• 9:54
  or
• 9:54
  something,
• 9:55
  and
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  was
• 9:55
  with
• 9:55
  Tegan.
• 9:56
  I
• 9:57
  know
• 9:57
  I'm
• 9:57
  losing
• 9:58
  track
• 9:58
  of
• 9:58
  time,
• 9:59
  but.
• 9:59
  No,
• 9:59
  recently
• 9:59
  was
• 10:00
  Seth
• 10:00
  Meyers.
• 10:00
  You're
• 10:01
  probably
• 10:01
  thinking
• 10:01
  about
• 10:01
  that
• 10:02
  maybe.
• 10:02
  No,
• 10:02
  I'm
• 10:03
  thinking
• 10:03
  of
• 10:03
  Colbert.
• 10:04
  Okay.
• 10:04
  Yeah.
• 10:04
  I'm
• 10:05
  just.
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  stopped
• 10:06
  understanding
• 10:06
  time
• 10:07
  at
• 10:07
  this
• 10:07
  point.
• 10:09
  But
• 10:09
  that
• 10:10
  was
• 10:10
  a
• 10:10
  lot
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  fun
• 10:10
  because
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  was
• 10:11
  with,
• 10:11
  like,
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  Canadian,
• 10:12
  like,
• 10:12
  sensations,
• 10:12
  Tegan
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  Sarah.
• 10:13
  It's,
• 10:14
  like,
• 10:14
  kind
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  rock
• 10:14
  pop.
• 10:15
  And
• 10:15
  so
• 10:15
  what
• 10:15
  was
• 10:15
  so
• 10:16
  cool
• 10:16
  was
• 10:16
  that,
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:16
  we
• 10:17
  went
• 10:17
  into
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  setup,
• 10:17
  and
• 10:18
  they're
• 10:18
  like,
• 10:18
  you
• 10:18
  know,
• 10:18
  Sarah,
• 10:19
  there
• 10:19
  was,
• 10:19
  like,
• 10:19
  a
• 10:19
  stylist.
• 10:20
  I'm
• 10:20
  like,
• 10:20
  yeah,
• 10:20
  Tegan
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  Sarah
• 10:21
  over
• 10:21
  there.
• 10:21
  And
• 10:21
  I'm
• 10:22
  like,
• 10:22
  oh,
• 10:22
  they
• 10:22
  want
• 10:22
  to,
• 10:23
  like,
• 10:23
  put
• 10:23
  something
• 10:23
  on
• 10:23
  me.
• 10:23
  I'm
• 10:24
  like,
• 10:24
  oh,
• 10:24
  cool.
• 10:24
  They
• 10:24
  care.
• 10:24
  I'm
• 10:25
  like,
• 10:25
  okay.
• 10:25
  And
• 10:26
  then
• 10:26
  they
• 10:26
  started
• 10:27
  setting
• 10:27
  up
• 10:27
  the
• 10:27
  stage,
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  I'm
• 10:28
  thinking,
• 10:28
  like,
• 10:28
  you
• 10:28
  know,
• 10:28
  I'll
• 10:28
  be
• 10:28
  put
• 10:29
  in
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  corner
• 10:29
  under,
• 10:29
  like,
• 10:30
  black
• 10:30
  curtains
• 10:30
  or
• 10:30
  something.
• 10:31
  Yeah.
• 10:32
  You
• 10:32
  know,
• 10:32
  and
• 10:32
  then
• 10:33
  after
• 10:34
  they
• 10:35
  started,
• 10:35
  like,
• 10:35
  moving
• 10:35
  the
• 10:36
  drum
• 10:36
  riser
• 10:36
  forward,
• 10:36
  and
• 10:37
  I'm
• 10:37
  like,
• 10:37
  oh,
• 10:38
  this
• 10:38
  is
• 10:38
  fancy.
• 10:38
  Then
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  could.
• 10:39
  Then
• 10:39
  when
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  watched
• 10:40
  it
• 10:40
  back,
• 10:40
  like,
• 10:40
  I'm
• 10:41
  like,
• 10:41
  center
• 10:41
  stage
• 10:42
  and,
• 10:42
  like,
• 10:42
  get
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  camera
• 10:43
  on
• 10:44
  me.
• 10:44
  And,
• 10:44
  like,
• 10:44
  John
• 10:44
  Baptiste
• 10:45
  is,
• 10:45
  like,
• 10:45
  right
• 10:46
  there
• 10:46
  watching
• 10:46
  me.
• 10:46
  And,
• 10:47
  like,
• 10:47
  that
• 10:47
  was,
• 10:48
  like,
• 10:48
  crazy.
• 10:48
  That
• 10:48
  was
• 10:48
  one
• 10:49
  of
• 10:49
  my
• 10:49
  favorite
• 10:49
  performances,
• 10:50
  too.
• 10:50
  That's
• 10:50
  amazing.
• 10:50
  It's
• 10:51
  crazy.
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  must
• 10:51
  be
• 10:52
  really
• 10:52
  kind
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  irritating
• 10:53
  to
• 10:54
  start
• 10:55
  getting
• 10:55
  notoriety
• 10:56
  like
• 10:56
  this.
• 10:56
  And
• 10:57
  then
• 10:57
  the
• 10:57
  pandemic
• 10:58
  happens.
• 10:58
  Yeah,
• 10:59
  you
• 10:59
  know
• 10:59
  what?
• 11:00
  But
• 11:00
  still
• 11:01
  virtual,
• 11:01
  right?
• 11:01
  You're
• 11:02
  still
• 11:02
  blowing
• 11:02
  up,
• 11:02
  but
• 11:02
  you
• 11:03
  really
• 11:03
  started
• 11:03
  to
• 11:03
  blow
• 11:04
  up,
• 11:04
  like,
• 11:04
  touring
• 11:04
  and
• 11:05
  everything.
• 11:05
  But
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  know
• 11:05
  what?
• 11:06
  I'm
• 11:06
  so.
• 11:06
  You're
• 11:06
  right.
• 11:07
  And,
• 11:07
  like,
• 11:07
  what
• 11:07
  I'm
• 11:07
  so
• 11:07
  grateful
• 11:08
  for
• 11:08
  is
• 11:08
  that,
• 11:08
  like,
• 11:08
  I
• 11:09
  feel
• 11:09
  like
• 11:09
  I've
• 11:09
  changed
• 11:09
  my
• 11:09
  perspective.
• 11:10
  Like,
• 11:10
  I
• 11:11
  feel
• 11:11
  like
• 11:11
  when
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  come
• 11:11
  out
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  the
• 11:12
  Pandemic,
• 11:12
  I'm
• 11:12
  not
• 11:12
  going
• 11:12
  to
• 11:13
  be
• 11:13
  what
• 11:13
  I
• 11:13
  used
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  be
• 11:13
  in
• 11:13
  terms
• 11:14
  of
• 11:14
  mindset.
• 11:14
  So
• 11:14
  I'll
• 11:14
  tell
• 11:14
  you
• 11:14
  why
• 11:15
  I
• 11:15
  don't
• 11:15
  think
• 11:15
  many
• 11:15
  should.
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  like
• 11:16
  that.
• 11:16
  Yeah,
• 11:17
  that's
• 11:17
  great.
• 11:17
  Oh,
• 11:17
  yeah.
• 11:17
  Like,
• 11:18
  so
• 11:18
  for
• 11:18
  me,
• 11:19
  before
• 11:19
  the
• 11:19
  pandemic,
• 11:19
  it
• 11:20
  was
• 11:20
  just
• 11:20
  go,
• 11:20
  go.
• 11:20
  And
• 11:21
  I
• 11:21
  was
• 11:21
  going
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  go
• 11:21
  on
• 11:21
  tour
• 11:21
  for
• 11:22
  two
• 11:22
  months.
• 11:22
  Like,
• 11:23
  we
• 11:23
  were
• 11:23
  in
• 11:23
  L.
• 11:24
  A.
• 11:24
  Yeah,
• 11:24
  yeah,
• 11:28
  yeah,
• 11:29
  we
• 11:29
  were.
• 11:29
  No,
• 11:29
  no,
• 11:30
  we
• 11:30
  were
• 11:30
  in
• 11:30
  L.
• 11:30
  A.
• 11:31
  Yeah,
• 11:32
  we
• 11:32
  were
• 11:32
  on,
• 11:32
  like,
• 11:32
  day
• 11:33
  two
• 11:33
  of
• 11:33
  rehearsal,
• 11:33
  and
• 11:34
  then
• 11:34
  I
• 11:34
  had
• 11:34
  to
• 11:34
  come
• 11:34
  home.
• 11:35
  And
• 11:35
  I'm
• 11:35
  actually
• 11:36
  grateful
• 11:36
  that
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  didn't
• 11:37
  go
• 11:37
  on
• 11:37
  the
• 11:37
  tour
• 11:38
  because
• 11:38
  then
• 11:38
  I
• 11:38
  realized
• 11:38
  that
• 11:39
  I
• 11:39
  don't
• 11:39
  just
• 11:39
  want
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  be
• 11:39
  a
• 11:40
  musician
• 11:40
  anymore.
• 11:41
  I
• 11:41
  feel
• 11:41
  like
• 11:42
  I've
• 11:42
  always
• 11:43
  had
• 11:43
  a
• 11:43
  dream
• 11:43
  of,
• 11:43
  like,
• 11:44
  being
• 11:44
  at
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  front
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  stage
• 11:45
  since
• 11:45
  I
• 11:45
  was
• 11:45
  a
• 11:45
  kid.
• 11:45
  Like,
• 11:46
  I
• 11:46
  was,
• 11:46
  like.
• 11:47
  I
• 11:47
  was
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  host
• 11:47
  of
• 11:48
  different
• 11:48
  shows.
• 11:48
  I
• 11:49
  did
• 11:49
  plays
• 11:49
  here.
• 11:51
  I
• 11:51
  love,
• 11:51
  like,
• 11:51
  comedy,
• 11:52
  talking
• 11:52
  to
• 11:53
  people,
• 11:53
  and
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  loved
• 11:54
  being
• 11:54
  an
• 11:54
  artist,
• 11:54
  and
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  feel
• 11:55
  like
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  have
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  in
• 11:55
  me.
• 11:56
  So
• 11:56
  I'm
• 11:57
  like,
• 11:57
  let's
• 11:57
  start
• 11:57
  developing
• 11:58
  that
• 11:58
  side.
• 11:58
  So
• 11:59
  I
• 11:59
  feel
• 11:59
  like
• 11:59
  as
• 11:59
  soon
• 11:59
  as
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  pandemic's
• 12:00
  over,
• 12:00
  I'm
• 12:00
  working
• 12:00
  on
• 12:00
  music,
• 12:02
  but
• 12:02
  it's
• 12:02
  like
• 12:02
  jazzy
• 12:04
  music.
• 12:04
  Nerd
• 12:05
  E.
• 12:05
  Okay.
• 12:06
  Drum
• 12:06
  heavy,
• 12:06
  E.
• 12:07
  But,
• 12:07
  like,
• 12:08
  like,
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  know,
• 12:08
  my
• 12:08
  mom,
• 12:09
  who's,
• 12:09
  like,
• 12:09
  tone
• 12:09
  deaf,
• 12:09
  can
• 12:09
  be
• 12:10
  like,
• 12:10
  oh,
• 12:10
  this
• 12:10
  is
• 12:10
  nice,
• 12:11
  you
• 12:11
  know,
• 12:12
  so
• 12:12
  like,
• 12:12
  kind
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  appeals
• 12:13
  to
• 12:13
  everybody.
• 12:14
  So
• 12:14
  when
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  come
• 12:14
  out
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  the
• 12:15
  pandemic,
• 12:15
  I
• 12:15
  want
• 12:16
  to,
• 12:16
  you
• 12:16
  know,
• 12:17
  become
• 12:17
  more
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  an
• 12:17
  artist
• 12:18
  and
• 12:18
  also
• 12:19
  play
• 12:19
  music
• 12:20
  as
• 12:20
  a
• 12:20
  musician,
• 12:20
  but
• 12:20
  with,
• 12:21
  like,
• 12:21
  selective.
• 12:22
  Right.
• 12:23
  You
• 12:23
  know?
• 12:23
  Yeah.
• 12:24
  So
• 12:24
  singing
• 12:24
  heavy,
• 12:25
  are
• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
  going
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  sing?
• 12:26
  Sing?
• 12:26
  Yeah,
• 12:26
  But
• 12:27
  I'm
• 12:27
  not,
• 12:27
  like,
• 12:27
  you
• 12:27
  know,
• 12:27
  like,
• 12:28
  no,
• 12:28
  like,
• 12:28
  Jasmine
• 12:29
  Sullivan
• 12:29
  or
• 12:29
  anything.
• 12:29
  I
• 12:30
  mean,
• 12:30
  like,
• 12:30
  I'll
• 12:30
  just
• 12:30
  sing,
• 12:31
  like,
• 12:31
  a
• 12:31
  hook
• 12:31
  here
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  there.