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#635 - Evidence & Crimeapple on Releasing Surprise Record, Studio Chemistry, Independent Grind & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Want two Evidence Live and Direct.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Mapple in the house with Bootleg keV Legendary, Legendary. Yo.
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  Speaker 3: is there. You might hear us. Let's get into the interview.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Brutlet Cav podcast special guests in here. Man, I feel like,
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: you know, Christmas just coming early because I could barely
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: get Evidence to do anything in the last decade. Twice
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  Speaker 3: in six months, Evidence is on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Back. We're back, We're back.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go, and this time he has brought Crime Apple welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Sure you guys, just obviously the new album just came
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  Speaker 3: out today. Ye never met, No, we never met?
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  Speaker 2: First time?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, first time. Well, first of all, it's dope. Have
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  Speaker 3: to see you back because I feel like the Blue
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  Speaker 3: album was so good a couple of years ago. Man,
• 1:25
  Speaker 3: what is the genesis of you guys doing war cash?
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  Speaker 3: Just so you know, not car washed war Cash.
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about it last time we were here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it was like, production is serious to me, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as it always has been.
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  Speaker 2: But like.
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  Speaker 1: First Mike down yeap, production is serious to me and
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  Speaker 1: always has been. But as a rapper, sometimes people look
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  Speaker 1: at you maybe as what they know you for, right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's hard to shake the image of that.
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  Speaker 3: You're known for so much. You're known for being an
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  Speaker 3: amazing solo artist, dilated people so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did production through all the Dilated stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I have my foot and a lot of and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of things, and I just felt like starting
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  Speaker 1: my label was away for me to show how serious
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  Speaker 1: I am about the production. And we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: me being on rhyme Sayers and eventually I knew that
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  Speaker 1: was going to come to an end. So starting a label,
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  Speaker 1: producing others and understanding how a label works, doing vinyl,
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  Speaker 1: building a relationship with people. So when I moved myself
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  Speaker 1: over to my label, it wouldn't just be like throwing
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  Speaker 1: myself to it. So I got to do all these
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  Speaker 1: dope people, you know, produce all this stuff, not as
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  Speaker 1: like trial and error, I mean, not as guinea pig shit,
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  Speaker 1: but ur trial and error per se, but just really
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  Speaker 1: learning what happens when you put out a record. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, somebody was on Instagram today like why I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't diverse there, you know, And I was telling you
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  Speaker 1: that too. It's like, if you need a verse to
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  Speaker 1: respect my production, then what does that say about my production? Right?
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  Speaker 1: And so I really wanted to put my foot in
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  Speaker 1: something like I got a bunch of things going on,
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  Speaker 1: but really this year, turn it up and move in
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  Speaker 1: real time. We made this album over the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of months, you know what I mean. And so what
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing is like a fresh fresh you know. Normally
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  Speaker 1: it comes with like me having to wait for Vinyl, right,
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  Speaker 1: and and so this was like, all right, let's just
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  Speaker 1: get to it. And so I was saying Monday night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm working with who's featured on the album and different
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  Speaker 1: people now where I'm gonna throw it out right away
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  Speaker 1: and let people feel it in real time, and then
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  Speaker 1: if the heat is there, if it's really real, then
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  Speaker 1: the vinyl will be a good sell whenever it comes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, whenever it comes, because that's kind of like this.
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  Speaker 3: The thing about vinyl is what it's like, probably like
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  Speaker 3: a at least a three month thing.
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  Speaker 2: If you're lucky.
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  Speaker 3: You're lucky, right right right, and you've been doing the
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  Speaker 3: vinyl thing for so long in terms of just like
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  Speaker 3: physical copies of your music is kind of like how
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  Speaker 3: your fans connect with you, you know what I'm saying. How
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  Speaker 3: did you guys eventually link up and decide like, let's
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we did Camouflage yep, what was that two thousand?
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  Speaker 1: I brought them over the als. I made a beat
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  Speaker 1: on the spot. I gave it to him. But it
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  Speaker 1: was like one joint on a record, right, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: that you can't really tell people what you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: do through one song on a record. So that was
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  Speaker 1: that was cool. We had a show he rocked with me,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in Long Beach or we did the show
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  Speaker 1: somewhere Dope, so the connection has been there. It's not
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  Speaker 1: out of nowhere, but it wasn't really anybody knew about this.
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  Speaker 1: So he came over to do I have a forty
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  Speaker 1: five series where I've been doing Strangers one and Boldie
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  Speaker 1: and Flyanik and Theravada and Raka and Blue, so we
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  Speaker 1: came over to do one of those. Pretty much, it
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  Speaker 1: was like, let's let's figure out a way to break
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  Speaker 1: the ice. And then yo, he was killing it for real,
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  Speaker 1: for real, because I have a thing where I'm when
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  Speaker 1: I'm recording somebody if I could, if I'm while i'm recording,
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  Speaker 1: if I just go, oh, don't fuck up right now,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm hearing it like a record in the recording,
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  Speaker 1: not like after I had plugins and shitle direct and
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  Speaker 1: that it started happening off the rip with him. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, he writes, really asked, and then writes about
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  Speaker 1: things that we were talking about in the conversations, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And so it was like, oh, this is actually like
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  Speaker 1: you making I'm making the beats on the.
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  Speaker 3: Spot and you're making the verses literally with.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're both here in the next day something
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  Speaker 1: that I don't remember he doesn't and I heard it
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  Speaker 1: like a fan and I was like, Yo, this is heat,
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  Speaker 1: this is heat right here. So we just did it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like, can we hold water and
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  Speaker 1: make a surprise record and tell nobody in the social
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  Speaker 1: media era that that's what you do? You know, and
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  Speaker 1: you have the making of it, and you're asking the fans,
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  Speaker 1: you're playing snippets to tell them which one you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: put out first. You're letting the audience almost dictate it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. And so with this we went the other
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  Speaker 1: way and put out a surprise record and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: I love it, It's fire.
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  Speaker 3: What about you?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 3: Like, obviously working with evvs a fucking legend, you know,
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  Speaker 3: especially on the production side, what was the like your
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  Speaker 3: approach to this record and working solely with ev on
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  Speaker 3: an album It's gotta be dope?
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty straightforward. I fuck with him as a
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  Speaker 2: human being first and foremost, and you know, he's always
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  Speaker 2: been holding it down with just like good advice and
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  Speaker 2: you know, so it was pretty straightforward working with him.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really have like any expectation. I really pulled
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  Speaker 2: up to do like one of two songs and of
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  Speaker 2: course you hope that you know, you hit it out
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  Speaker 2: the park and that was it. It's like cool, you
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  Speaker 2: do a third song or fourth song and fifth song, sixth.
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  Speaker 3: Song, and it's like, whoa, it's the whole fucking album. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for you? Like do you usually cause? I like, are
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  Speaker 3: you usually?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Cause that's kind of the one thing that me and
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  Speaker 3: I would talk about was like not to overthink shit,
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  Speaker 3: get it out, and then worry about the hard copy
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  Speaker 3: shit later. Is this new for you too, like putting
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  Speaker 3: something out so fast without having all of the vinyl
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  Speaker 3: ready and all that shit. Does that make sense.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit? Yeah, It's definitely new in the sense
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  Speaker 2: where it's like a secret, you know what I'm saying. Like,
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  Speaker 2: usually when I'm doing something, there's some inkling of notification
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  Speaker 2: to the people, whether it's a you know, a single
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  Speaker 2: that comes out and then you know, there's always some time.
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  Speaker 2: But this was like complete the area of fifty one.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the first time for sure. I didn't see
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  Speaker 2: this coming.
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  Speaker 3: You've obviously worked with a lot of dope producers, mugs,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, going on around, But what is kind of
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  Speaker 3: for you the process of because I feel like we
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  Speaker 3: don't talk about ev enough as a producer. I was
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  Speaker 3: just talking with my boy Spencer about this and I
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  Speaker 3: was telling him. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 3: interview ev and Crying Apple. They did the album together,
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  Speaker 3: but Evan just did the beats and he's like, Yo,
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  Speaker 3: that's crazy. We don't talk about him enough, but like,
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  Speaker 3: what is the process? Like that's unique about his creative
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  Speaker 3: process compared to some of the other dope.
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  Speaker 2: Producers you've been in with and my experience, the only
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  Speaker 2: person who's like, you got to be here. Everyone's not
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I made him fly out twice. I was like recording something, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Never worked with anyone that was like, yo, you got
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  Speaker 2: so Yeah. But we've done records through email too, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I know with him,
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  Speaker 2: we've done the album, you know, and if we do
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  Speaker 2: something else, it's not like he's going to email me
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  Speaker 2: a pack still, Like there's some people who start like
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  Speaker 2: that and then once they get to know you, they
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  Speaker 2: get comfortable they'll email you. He's ever going to email
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  Speaker 2: me beats, So I already know come.
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  Speaker 1: I would have in the past. This is my new
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  Speaker 1: me where I really want to see my vision through
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  Speaker 1: from the recording side, to the mixing side, to choosing
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  Speaker 1: who we mastered with, shooting and cover myself shot the video.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I want to do I've always passed it
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  Speaker 1: off to another mixer. I've always done something that gets
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  Speaker 1: in the way of my full vision. So it was like,
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  Speaker 1: can I do this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because you know, especially now that you have
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  Speaker 3: your own label, it's like that's important too, Like there's
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: a there. I don't know if you know about the
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  Speaker 3: artist Russ of course.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So Russ is like one of those guys who just
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  Speaker 3: everything's vertical. This guy will do the artwork he makes
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  Speaker 3: as a master's he makes the beat he ran.
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  Speaker 1: Whether you like his music, don't, or anything in between.
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  Speaker 1: He's made a lot of really valid points that I
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  Speaker 1: took to heart. Yeah, listening to I like some of
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  Speaker 1: his music.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: You know, he's hard them Unch, what was it was it? Munch?
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  Speaker 3: The ships he was wrapping on with like black thin.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was there when I was doing shit
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  Speaker 1: with him and we're you know, and we're just sitting
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  Speaker 1: like this. You can say what you want. He's killing it,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so fuck with that
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but for you, it's got to be just like
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  Speaker 3: you're fully this is important for you because this is
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  Speaker 3: like you're you got your own thing now rhyme sayers.
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  Speaker 3: You know obviously you're you Now evidence is on bigger picture,
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  Speaker 3: which is your labeled which will happens to you, right,
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  Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, you know, it's got to be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I want to make sure I really have the ball
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  Speaker 3: in my hands.
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  Speaker 1: But the part that I like is like, there's mixers
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  Speaker 1: who mixed records. That's what they do. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning it. There's videographers who make videos, that's what
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  Speaker 1: they do. I'm learning it. There's photographers, right, there's I
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  Speaker 1: make beats. But you know, my point is is like
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: whether I'm good or however you rate me at this,
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  Speaker 1: I want to I want to evolve publicly, like with
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  Speaker 1: my cre right now. And working with him was super
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: inspiring on this one because it was like somebody matching
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: my as fast as I can make to be how
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: many meats I make on the spot for this one,
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: the majority of it, right, Yeah, I would say at
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  Speaker 1: least six thousand and nine, right, And by the time
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  Speaker 1: I was done doing what I was doing. The rhyme
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  Speaker 1: was already ready and you could tell it wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: pre done rhyme.
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  Speaker 3: like when I was growing up, like you could be
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  Speaker 3: like a I guess what you would consider whatever an
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  Speaker 3: underground rapper was back in the day, and like sell
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  Speaker 3: out shows, sell hard copies, get a disco deal where
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  Speaker 2: I think, like seven and a half under my belt years.
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  Speaker 2: Customer service is probably one of the main things. Especially
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  Speaker 2: I'm DIY for a lot of stuff, you know, I'll
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  Speaker 2: do like temporary licensing with some people where they'll press
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: something up. But I do a lot of that shit
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  Speaker 2: on my own, like my merge all that, So that's
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: like really important. You got to make sure that the
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: customer service is like top of the line if you
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  Speaker 2: want to keep it going for years and years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like funny, we don't even think about that,
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  Speaker 3: Like you'd like fans are customers, Like you want them
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: to be customers investors, You want them to invest in
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: your in your movement.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's crazy because some we didn't do a
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  Speaker 1: vinyl drop yet, but he's actually known for doing really
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: well on violul drops, you know what I mean. So
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: we're not even seeing the full potential of this. But
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: like getting the music out in real time was more
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  Speaker 1: important first, and I've got a good product, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel like the vinyl game is Like I
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: feel like a lot of artists still don't take advantage
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  Speaker 3: of like the hard media. Like there's people who I'll
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: talk to on this podcast where I'm like, you're not
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  Speaker 3: doing a vinyl like you have fans that are like
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: real people walking like you're fucking just depending on streaming
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  Speaker 3: to me is just a wild thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now people sleep on CDs and cassettes too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for sure they sleep on all that. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people that sleep on those things. I think they're important.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you're leaving money on the table. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess it depends on the type of artists. You know,
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: some people that's like a shift, the pivot that they
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  Speaker 2: have to make. That's kind of how I started though.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like hard copy base.
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  Speaker 3: So so you've only been doing this for real, for
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  Speaker 3: real for seven and a half years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting wrapped before that, like as an occupation,
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  Speaker 2: it started to make sense to Yeah, as an occupation,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't worked for anyone else in seven eight years,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: seven and a half eight years.
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  Speaker 3: So you are always writing and ship for sure. Yeah
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: how about say fuck for you only rapping? You're pretty stellar, man,
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: That's like not a lot of people could say that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, what it's you.
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  Speaker 3: Know obviously I know and I know you've worked a
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: lot with the Griselda guys. Was anything about what they
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  Speaker 3: were doing inspired you to kind of take the approach
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: you would take to your music and the way you
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: release it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's in general like that generation or and
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: maybe there's a couple of years in between some of
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  Speaker 2: these artists, but like I was really inspired by like
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: what I saw Rock doing, Rock Willy, the Kids on Price, Griselda.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It was like however many years that spanned,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: it was super inspiring while I was sitting on the sidelines,
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  Speaker 2: like yo, people fuck with you know these types of music.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be some catchy, trendy.
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  Speaker 3: Things that you don't have to do some auto tune
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  Speaker 3: shit or get a club rec or you don't have
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  Speaker 3: to have.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: A gazillion followers to make a living doing this.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: I think that's the key is Like I think a
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: lot of artists, they their priorities are so like I
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: would say, upside down, instead of cultivating the people they have,
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: which will result in like the word of mouth spreading.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: They're worried about like damn, I gotta pay someone to
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: get on some playlists that are most likely bodied and
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: they look the thing that they look at is like
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: they were so worried about their monthly listeners before they're
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: worried about like I'm having actual fans that will support
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: you with their wallet, you know, Like which is where
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: it actually matters.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I think depends on the type of music. If you're
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: making more of a current or a pop type rap thing,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: then that might be the better way to go because
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: you know, if you make a song that sticks, then
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: all of that's just going to happen. You don't have
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: to worry about it. It'll all come to you. That is
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: a different model than most of the people that I'm seeing,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: and we all are guilty of our stab at doing
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: that at one point in our career.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've all try to touch by the way, you
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: guys did a really good job.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: We did best around. But you know what it is,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: it's like some people have a better fit doing this.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: It's not. It's like because it actually works and connects
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: this way where you don't have to chase it. I
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: think monthly followers is a is a good metric, but
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I would look at how people are selling vinyl before
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I would look at that because that's the way to
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: make money.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I think too, Like for you like you, it's like, man,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: the longevity, I mean, fuck, the first dilated when was
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Work the Angles eight well platform was two thousand, what
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: that actually came out? So yeah, so Work the Angles
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: was what got y all that deal crazy. So we're
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: almost thirty thirty years. It'll be thirty years in like
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: two years, crazy fucking one. No, no, yeah, because I'm
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: thirty nine, So in twenty twenty eight, it'll be thirty years.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Oh for that record. Yeah, I thought what I'm saying.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fucking you know.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's still just as much of a puzzle
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: as it was then to me as it is now.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: But it's like to have the longevity and make this
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: like a thing for real, it's like you got to
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: always kind of reinvent yourself or evolve.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I think the live show thing kept everything moving, you know.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I think when you have a live show. I've seen
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: him performing during Rock Marcy said he brought him.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Out yea Rocks so underrated man, you know.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: But when he came out, the crowding from crazy. So me,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I think Opio souls a Michig for watch it like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: oh shit. Okay, So like those kind of things tell me, like,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: because you can't fake the live, and the live is
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: what keeps you going for a long time.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Hundred percent. Are you from Jersey or New York Jersey?
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: What part of Jersey?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Northern New Jersey? Okay, Okay, Okay. Yeah, it's like, you know,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want to call it die in New York,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: but we're like ten minutes away.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Little die in New York, A little Die in New York. Yeah,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Jersey's wild, dude, because it's like, you got a lot
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: going on. It's a lot. There's like so many pockets,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: and if you drive across through Jersey you might think
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: you're in the South and something.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: It's a bunch of different states rolled in the one
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: for sure, Nah, for sure for you like, because I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, we think of Jersey.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I think of like obviously Joe Budden, Redman, you know
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: all that shit.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Don't start Jersey outside is with Jersey, right, Oh my god,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: everything was Jersey.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Uh who else is Jersey? Poor teachers, Queen Latifa? What's
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: the homie Sue Surf about to get released? Ure Notty
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: by Nature. I just met Trench in Jersey at the
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: where the Devil's play It for credential. Yeah. I was like, yo,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: fucking Tretch, did you go to that show? There was
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: like that old school like random like a rock the
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Bell show like like it was it was, by the way,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: shout out to the old school hip hop shows. Because
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: being backstage at those shows it's the best because being
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: backstage are rolling loud, You're gonna want to blow your
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: head off eventually. It's like what the old school dudes
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: are just the coolest money, Like everyone just hanging out.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: No one's being extra like rock Kim's just sitting there
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: on a chair like wild. But for you, like, do
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: you feel like coming out of Jersey you kind of
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: have like a chip on your shoulder naturally to kind of,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: you know, prove your against the New York scene.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Nah, not really. I never thought in terms of region
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and like states and stuff like that. I don't. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: don't think Jersey defines me in any way musically. Like
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I'm super happy that I'm from Jersey and probably why
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I still live there because it's I can go outside
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and it's not crazy.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: It's probably a lot cheaper, too cheaper.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Than New York for sure. Yeah. So, but I don't
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: think it really shaped my music as a state, right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of maybe East Coast so I grew
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: up listening to all that East Coast shit.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It was too much influence from everywhere around.
• 19:37
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  Speaker 3: would you say is like your main I would just
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: say I wouldn't ask you your influences, but like just
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: your goats, Like who's your top four or five guys?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: That's fluid My brother was asking me this the other day,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and it's like, it really could depend on the day.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: That depends on what I need from hip hop at
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: the moment. So it's kind of tricky. I mean, of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: course it's going to be nas Jay, Big Pac some days.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: You know, Andre three thousands in the mix.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: All right, then guy for more nuanced dancer?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Though, what is.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It to hard?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Tricky? I mean rock? You know my huge fan of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Willy the Kid.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: You know, Willy don't get enough flowers man, Wily's cold.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So that's like, yeah, so it's like eras.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Willie the Kid, A lot of the
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: dark Band, Little Little Pocket that those guys were in,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and like Willy was with drama right for a second, Yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I got Willie is tough.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Some days it's like x poc you know what I mean,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Like some things, I don't you know, what do I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: need from from the music. So that's fluid. I don't know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: it's hard to say too many, too much good music.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: You have some of the more awesome random project names ever,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Like when you come up with like a Jaguar on
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Palisade like series like what did Spot? I feel like
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I visually see that.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: The explanation is probably super boring. I mean, that's like
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a street where where I grew up and when I
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: had let him up, I guess I used to just
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time walking up and down that street.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: So one of the things I bought when I got
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit of rat money was a X type
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: mint old joint, La too, thou Man.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: That was like, that was a joint, the X type.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So that was like a thing that I always liked
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: before when I was younger, And it kind of just
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: hit me one day when I was driving, like, damn,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I used to be up and down.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hurting.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Now I'm in the crispy jag.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I gave him a rule, no animals under something m
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: or cars or cars. We called one pento, but I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: named it that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: So you have age driving. Used to bean, you have
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: a new Jaguar now because I'm in the beam now
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: on the beam now. The last time I was in
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars was in Waymouth. Do you know what? Yeah, yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: yeah they're jaguars.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: They got to deal with Jaguars.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: You don't realize you get in and you're like, this
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: is a fucking Jaguars. Is so fucking contraption, This death
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: contraption that's driving me around Austin, Texas right now.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Now. They're in la.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Worst ways to die or I mean it could I
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: mean yeah, I mean I guess I feel like my
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: family would benefit nicely if I died in a way moo,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: they could sue.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: How many albums do you have officially.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: A lost count? It's double digits for sure.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: It's a lot.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, Yeah, double digits.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: You think it's like knocking on twenty.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Might be past that, Yeah, but I just look at
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: it different because of the generation. To me, they just
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: feel more you know, like, yeah, their albums, but it's
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: also some things to me when I made them are
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like mixtapes or yeah, like stream of Consciousness. It's it's
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: not the same way it used to be with albums, sure, right,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Like the attention spans are shorter. Music's coming out all
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the time. So but yeah, technically you call them albums.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: You guys obviously working on this in person, you've had
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: records where you work with skills or you work with mugs.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Does this feel like part up? Maybe another one?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think so? I agree, Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun to make. I made
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a beat that was the first one. It's a three
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: four rhythm, it's sixty five beats permitted. There's no percussion
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and wrap on this. Normally I'd have to chop it
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to like a four to four, try to make it
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a premiere. Mind it kind of be you know what
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I mean? And I mean he was like, I'm rap
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: on it like that. So it's like, I'm realizing that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: working with him was dope because it might allow me
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to do might push me a little bit or make
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: me do something different, And I like the options of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: having that, you.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, for you man like v Like, you've locked
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: in with so many incredible mcs. Obviously Rocket Aside, but
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: you know even Blue, you know Blues on the album,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: but he's also a fucking alien. Is it like, do
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you approach each one of these studio sessions depending on
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: who the who the MC is differently or is it like, hey,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you're you're pulling up. I just followed my head blew.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: This one was a very It was a wild card
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit in the sense that I kind of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I knew we'd been trying to link forever. I knew
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: we made something dope he came over into twenty or
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one on the way back to the airport,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and I had a beat up and he did a
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: rhyme and it was quick, and I didn't feel the magic,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and it just sat in my fucking not that the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: rhyme was bad or my beat was bad, I just
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: didn't feel the Yeah. And then this time something different happened,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: so our lives have whatever you've been doing and whatever
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I've been doing came back right here to where I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: was like, I want to do this project. Not to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: mention his accolades and everything else, I have a high
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: respect for his rappid you know, but yeah, it's something
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: we could run back, especially if the if the vinyls
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: received well, then definitely.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: You know, what is it for you? Man? Like being
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: able to connect with like legendary West Coast produces, working
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: on whole albums with Mugs or ev Like, what is it?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: What is it about? You? Feel like the West Coast
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: underground sound that just kind of cuts through and works
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: so well with how you rap? Mm hmm.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I guess again, like that's a regional
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: kind of outlook. I just look at it like just
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the sound that I gravitate towards. Whether it was because
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he could have easily been an East Coast producer, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I mean everybody thought these guys are from New York.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just a sound. It's just that ship
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that I like. But yeah, it's super humbled and honored
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: anytime I get a chance to do something with you
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: know EV or you know someone like a Mugs or
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you know, good resume, and it's always humbling because you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I used to rap on these people's beats on YouTube
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: or whatever back in the day.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I know, you have a project called
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Los Poils Hermanos with Gus fring on the on the cover.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I have to ask you this question, what shows better
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a question that's going to say a.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Lot of people put better call Sau, but Breaking Bad.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I know it's not the popular opinion, but the opinion exists.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Wronger that have you ever did you finish better?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Cos you finished it? Yeah?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: People love that show.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: No, not fire.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: That was okay. As a Jersey guy, I hated Breaking Bad.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: The Sopranosos.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I never watched Sopranos.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I never watched the end.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I never watched one.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Sopranos is not one.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Not one episode, the whole ship. It's it's you gotta
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: watch the bad.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I rewatched it once every two or three.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Years with the wire above everything, and I tried that,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: but it's like time sensitive because I'm like, I can't
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: do it now. Man, you had to be there. It's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like a lot of music, you kind of had to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: be there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: You got to get through that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: You have to smell the air that year.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: No, that's true. It's funny because, like I feel like
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of kids these days have a hard time.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Like if I give somebody, like my kid, like an
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: album that I know he'll like because I know who
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: he likes, it's new, he just can't connect to it
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: because it's old. And like, I'm like, how can you
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: not connect with this? This is my life. Listen to
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: this fucking outcast album A Kleminides. You know you love
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Tyler the Creator, you like all that shit. Listen to this.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You'll love this and you just can't connect to it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: But I guess the TV it could be that way too.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Clem of Thrones I've never watched, and I will never
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: watch probably.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's an old timer. It is, So what about you?
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: What's your favorite TV show? Fucking signed or something?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I just want I do all my ship and then
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I put it on at the end, I watched Bobby
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: beat Bobby fla. That's what I do. Okay, Okay, I'm
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: not into it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Soprano's your goat?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: What of wires up there?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Movies?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Liars up there?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: The wire is so good man, oh so good. You
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: know what's crazy about the wire? As you meant? I mean,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you reacted when season two started
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: and you were like, where's every everybody at? What's this doc? Shit?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: For sure not saying yet that fucking season when you
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: rewatch it, it's so fucking good man.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: And what's his name? Old boy just passed away, the
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: hank the main that the old dude the ball did
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: rest in peace.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: But is this wire talk I missed?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in the middle of some wire talk right now.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Shout out young Guru. He loves the wire.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Shots Young Guru talk about for you man, like, uh,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: do you already have like twelve albums planned for the
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: rest of the year because your output is so fucking insane.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming the next thing is already lined up.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I told him. I said, chill a little,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: step on it, let us live for a month.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Come on, yeah something. I'm always making music and it
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I'm in the studio every day, but
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I just always like to be writing songs and recording them. Yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It might not be in the studio every day, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: when I go, you know, five six songs and they
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: don't have to be for one thing. It's just like
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: a stove has four burners and I like to keep
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: all four burners occupied. What about it?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Rits on a crazy level for real?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: First, well, I mean you live in the studio quite literally.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Are you already working on the new album or you
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: are working as step Brothers coming there's.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I played you a rap.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Fire Fire.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: As soon as it was done, you went, come on.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: That was the word come on, And that's for your first.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just starting to work right now. I want
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to do what we're doing and just work. Yeah, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: when I have it, I'll have it. I'll been I've
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: been talking.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I just like to say the hip Boy al album's
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: got to be like it was good? Right, So you're like, hey, man.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: No, there's Gang Green. You'd be surprised. He'd be pressuring
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: me more than i'd be pressure.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: We've had the conversation with him a bunch.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So no, no, no, I gotta I think a lot.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I gotta get over shit, you know what I mean.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But I feel like you're getting over shit.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I am getting over shit. I've been through a wild
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: time in my life.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: So I feel like this is like I feel like
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you're in a really good space creatively.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like you're in a really.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Good basically just like like I feel like the old
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: EV would have needed to have everything lined up, the
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: hard copies ready, and you're like, no, let's just stow
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: this out and like see how it does. And well,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: fucking you.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Know, I'm excited for what's to come in. I just
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: want to be creative and move in real time and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: repetition and quality and yeah, for people.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Who don't know, what is the kind of the backstory
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: on Bigger Picture.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I started a label in twenty twenty one and Alchemist
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: was putting me up on Game right around then. It
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was a Boldie James and the early not that. Yeah,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I guess the early releases of ALC. Yeah, I was
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: seeing what he was doing, and he was telling me,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you need to do this, you need to trip it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And so I took a lot of what he said.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: He put me up on a game as far as like,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: here's mistakes I made. If you don't do that, that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: might save you two years right there, you know. So
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like here's how you're going to do this,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: but it was kind of showing me how it works,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you know. And so my first record was an instrumental album.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I started Squirrel Tape instrumentals, Yeah, and then I did
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a Planet Asia album Rule of Thirds and started making
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: forty fives and started doing all this shit. And also
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: because being there for my son, so you know, our
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: single dad, and so it was like, how do I
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: not have to chase the world book broadcast from my room,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and preparation for me to be off rhyme
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: says one day and what am I going to do then?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So it's just I was nesting and nesting this bitch
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and I did. I'm on this is I got almost
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: twenty nine releases. My twenty ninth release that's crazy, you know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And twenty nine is wild it's wild man. I've been
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: working crazy, you know. I got my master's back from
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: ABB and this one and that one. So I'm at
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: bigger picture, oh twenty nine right now.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: So you have like the master's back from the first album. Yeah,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: because Weatherman was ABB, wasn't it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, got that bag, did a re release.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I feel like weather Man, Am I crazy?
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Or was it not? On DSPs for a sec We've
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: had a lot of problems. Yeah, because I just remember
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: being like, how the fuck is the weather.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: And the clean one got logged on eventually and it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: just been a big mess. So oh that's all resolved.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But you know, so just looking out for my future,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: for my son to yeah own all this one day,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you know, things like real boss shit. I want to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: move into that place where it's like on the label
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm making the beats. I can do the wrap.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: There is a ship but on a you know, as
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: not on that level. But dude, I feel like that's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: a great example of everyone to look at, you know
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like Al has somehow underratedly mastered this. Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the merch drop he just did, he did like a book.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know, if y'all see this like little book
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: thing that opened, it was like.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: That's volume three. That's how late you are. There's been
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: two other books.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: No, but I'm just like, I'm like, this fucking guy
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: is you go on eBay and just type in his
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: vinyl and it's it's like it's like collecting. It's like
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: collector's items, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: shouts at my comedy as well as someone who also
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: has done a really good job of that ship. But
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: you know, uh yeah, it's it's crazy just you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: he just I mean, I'll just announced this new Larry
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: June currency album. It's like this guy doesn't stop.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Man, It's beautiful and it's and if you're around that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: every day, yeah, you put yourself in intimidating, humbling situations.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah you're gonna rise.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Is there an EMC man that you would love to
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: do a full collab album with that you haven't worked
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: with yet?
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: MC?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, MC.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, not really full album is crazy like joints
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: for sure, Like.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You don't want to wrap with nobody for a whole
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: like you and somebody stopped you and something because.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: The humanity level. Look, that's a big thing for me,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Like I gotta fuk you as a human who fuck
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: with him as a human, we would have never like
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: this album could have never happened, and he would still
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: be someone who I know, Like if I ask him
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: a question, the answer I could confide in the answer
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: right and the wisdom. So that's like a human thing.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of people that I admire
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a lot that I want to work with. Like what
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: if I say someone in but he's a jerk off
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in real life?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Then what about someone who you have met and have
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a relationship with it just for whatever reason, you guys.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Haven't rock rock Marcy for sure. Yeah, great human you
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I think that would be crazy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And we've talked about working. I don't know it would
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: be that capacity, more like on the production side, so
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: we'll see. But yeah, like the humanity is important, especially
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: for like a full album. Yeah, you don't got to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: be a stand up guy to do a song with me.
• 35:46
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• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you see so many artists who are able to kind
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: of like turn their personality into a thing. Have you
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: ever seen like you know, maybe it's someone has a
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: YouTube channel, or is that ever something you've seen, like, man,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: maybe I should be doing because I feel like you
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: got a good personality. Is that something that you've ever
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: thought about doing? Like, I don't know what you're into,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: like twitch or something cooking?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Is it? No?
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe you're what are you fucking into?
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: You're into collecting fucking basketball cards? I don't know what
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: you're into. But I feel like a lot of artists
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: are like extending their brand past the music in a
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: way where like almost everyone's becoming content creators, you.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, doing an extra shit. Yeah, I think I
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: do that with like the merch you know, which is
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: like depending on who you ask, it's merch or it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a clothing line. Yeah, either way, it probably started off
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: more on the merch side, and now it's like, you
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: know different, you know, we're doing like crazy shit.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: If you consult for other artists where like if like
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: someone needed help with that type of shit, for sure.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah a lot of them need help with that type
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: of shit.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I mean I would argue most of them.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of them need help, man, because it sucks.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It's like one thing can throw everything off, you could
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: be fire, but the album RK sucks or you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: everything else could be fire, but the way your Instagram
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: and there's just ass. I would definitely do that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Do you think, because I know that you don't post
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: a lot, do you think ig aesthetic matters?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah. And there's different rules that right there,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Like you got to do twenty reels a month to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: for your shit to go crazy. Some people say that
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: it depends on what you want. That's fair, It depends
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: on what your is. I'm like catering to my core
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: most of the time. Everyone who hasn't heard of it
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: or is new to it, you guys are welcome aboard.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: But I don't really play that game where it's like
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I have to hack your attention twenty four to seven.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: That's like tedious. I got a real life.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it's definitely dude. Being an artist is
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you know, depending on who you ask, you also have
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: to be a full time content creator, which is like
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: its own thing. Like you said, it's like somebody will
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: shoot twenty reels for one record.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think my way of connecting with people too,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: is like and I've heard this from from fans before,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: it's like just showing even stories and stuff or whatever,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: like or dumps photo dumps where it's like a you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: see where I went, you see what I ate? People
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: will see they know I ride the bikes in the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: spring or shoot hoops or make a good spat show
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: in my kitchen.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: What's your team? Are you a nets guy?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not even a team guy, just because it's just
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: crazy being from New Jersey. They took our team and
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm more like it. You know KD, big
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Westbrook fan, Kobe.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: KD fucking great ear for hip hop. They guy's tap
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the fucking.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Check our new shit out. You and Katie No, I
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm saying, listen to our album.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Oh please? Yeah, I feel like Katie, I feel like
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: you'd be the type of artist like Katie d m
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: randomly like let me exact.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been like more of a follower with
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: players and shit like that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: You like the Keith van Horn nets. Wasn't your your sure?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: No? That was the last time the nets were in
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: my bag? Right, it's Carter Jason k Mark Kittles Right,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Oh that was that was a good team on NBA
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: or ever went to the finals. Against the LA Lakers.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, washed, but it is what it is.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I am watching no sports.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Man, you're not You're not a Laker guy.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Fuck no, I haven't been a Laker guy since I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: could name players on the team.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel the same. I was just saying
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: this the other day. I like sportswear more than I
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: like the sports itself now, right, it's kind of like
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: the coliseum in Rome these days. Yeah, there's some shit
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: going on, so I'm not super like. You know, I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: admire people who have the time to join fantasy leagues
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and shit like that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: That's every year I say to myself, I'm never playing
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: fantasy football again because it takes up so much of
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: my mental space. And then every fucking year I'm part
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: of this league. It's like twenty years old. These motherfuckers
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: dragged me back in and then I'm over here at
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: two am waiting for the waivers to clear to pick
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: up players. Not the live. You're a smart man, Stay
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: away from sports. They're evil. We don't know these fucking teams.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I've been wearing odd socks, so that's a good thing.
• 42:06
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• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Odd socks, shot out socks.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: We gotta get Green Apple some odd socks anyway. List
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: The album is out War Cash.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Car Wash War Cash, Dumb Name, Great.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Name, Video drop Yesterday, Right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Video dropped yesterday. Album is out today streaming. We're gonna
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: do vinyl vinyl limited amounts when I do announce it,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: please tune in. Well, I think we'll be running it back.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Hopefully this can come to be some kind of live
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: event at some point.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like you guys can at least do
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: two or three shows for this, you know, do the
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: East Coast to LA.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Something good or pop up up, do a pop up yea.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: But whenever you guys and I do a merch drop
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: when the vinyl.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Comes coming, and I'm definitely here to say, my god,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I love the way he wrapped on this, and that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: why we're here because I really need to broadcast that message,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like Yo, this is dope.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Go stream it and the hard copies are coming as
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: soon as they're done.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, yep, thank you for having us, of.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Course, bred much appreciated.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: You already know Prime Apple Evidence. Go get the new
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: album Whom