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Katie Woolf spoke with Independent for Araluen Robyn Lambley · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Parliament this week the legislation which has indeed been controversial
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  Speaker 1: but passed. And joining us on the line is the
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  Speaker 1: Independent member Farra lu And Robin Lambley.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Robin.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.
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  Speaker 2: Robin.
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you know some saying this legislation is controversial.
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  Speaker 1: The community has been calling for change. Child and health
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  Speaker 1: advocates feel that it is a step in the wrong direction.
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  Speaker 1: Will you please though that that legislation eventually passed, Well.
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  Speaker 4: It was a complete scissor, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the government talked it up over the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of months making it out to be a strong
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  Speaker 3: step to stop these kids from immediately getting bail and
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  Speaker 3: set out back on the street to reoffend again. And
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  Speaker 3: what we got at the end of the day was
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  Speaker 3: a completely watered down version which allows the the lawyers
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  Speaker 3: representing these children to get them off on a different
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  Speaker 3: circumstances trivial, technical and exceptional circumstances. So any junior lawyer
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  Speaker 3: or any lawyer work half their weight will be able
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  Speaker 3: to use these circumstances that were shoved into the bill
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  Speaker 3: at the last minute to get the kids off. There
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  Speaker 3: the potential of going to detention and get them fail. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it was all a bit of a storm
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  Speaker 3: in a teacup and Robin.
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  Speaker 1: It was something that really got our listeners quite fired up.
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  Speaker 1: I'd have to say earlier in the week when the
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  Speaker 1: Minister for Police revealed on the show that that was
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  Speaker 1: going to you know that that change was going to
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  Speaker 1: come into place with that legislation, because it had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people questioning, you know, whether we're actually going
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  Speaker 1: to see any change in this space or as you said,
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  Speaker 1: are we just going to end up in a situation
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  Speaker 1: where where young people who who continued to repeat offend
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  Speaker 1: where they're going to be able to continue to be
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  Speaker 1: let off on Baal because of that change. With the
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  Speaker 1: exceptional circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: There'll be no change, Katie. I can reassure territorians that
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  Speaker 3: this bill will mean absolutely nothing in terms of addressing
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  Speaker 3: crime throughout the Northern Territory. They watered it down to
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  Speaker 3: the point where it was a complete waste of time.
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  Speaker 3: It was embarrassing watching the Minister for Police trying to
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  Speaker 3: worm her way out of explaining what exceptional trivial and
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  Speaker 3: technical circumstances actually mean. She couldn't explain what they would
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  Speaker 3: mean in real in real terms.
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  Speaker 4: This is it's a nothing.
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  Speaker 3: It's a complete waste of time. Territorian should be bitterly
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  Speaker 3: disappointed in the Labor government to leading them to think
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  Speaker 3: that this was going to make a difference. It will
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  Speaker 3: not make a difference at all.
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  Speaker 2: Robin, what's been the feedback.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you're in Darwin at the moment as
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  Speaker 1: Parliament sits, but what has been the feedback from your
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  Speaker 1: understanding from the Alice Springs community which really has been
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  Speaker 1: hit very hard by these youth issues.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Katie, all that people know about this potential for
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  Speaker 3: change is what they may or may not have heard
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  Speaker 3: in the media or read in the media. There was
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  Speaker 3: no consultation done with the community on this.
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  Speaker 4: It was ran through.
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  Speaker 3: So once again I'd say most people in Central Australia
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  Speaker 3: are in the dark about this whole scenario, This complete
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  Speaker 3: shamodel and waste of time. So what they're experiencing down
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  Speaker 3: there is a continuation of the crime crisis. I'm hearing
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  Speaker 3: stories of cars being broken into houses and stolen hows
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  Speaker 3: has been broken into. The usual stories are continuing to
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  Speaker 3: filter out of Central Australia, just as they have been
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  Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. There's no change at
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  Speaker 3: all in sight for an alleviation of crime in the
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  Speaker 3: Northern Territory and that includes Central Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Good and aided.
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  Speaker 3: By this government after what they pulled well in Parliament
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday and Robin.
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  Speaker 1: It's certainly I think that a lot of people will
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  Speaker 1: find that disappointing because they have been waiting and really hoping,
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  Speaker 1: you know that some of these changes that have been
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  Speaker 1: announced by the Northern Territory government will make a real impact.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess you know the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Is time will tell, But Territorians have been suffering for
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  Speaker 1: quite some time. When you talk about crime meeting worse, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's a reality. The crime statistics show that the
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  Speaker 3: crime is getting worse. That we even had the government
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  Speaker 3: members trying to put a twist on on that somehow,
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  Speaker 3: trying to tell us that crime really wasn't as bad
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  Speaker 3: as what we thought it we think it is and
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  Speaker 3: things are improving in some respects. Well we know that
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  Speaker 3: that's not true.
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  Speaker 4: Look, this is appalling.
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  Speaker 3: The Gunner government has bent down to the various factions
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  Speaker 3: that they're beholden to that ultimately give them control and
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  Speaker 3: power and government.
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  Speaker 4: This is a political move.
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  Speaker 3: It was a political move to pull this stunt in
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  Speaker 3: the first place, to say that they would address the
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  Speaker 3: problems with juveniles and bail and it's political the fact
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  Speaker 3: that they watered it down. I think you've got we've
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  Speaker 3: got an impotent government that really is and has proven
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  Speaker 3: this week to be unable to address the problem of
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  Speaker 3: crime throughout the Northern Territory. I am completely pessimistic for
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  Speaker 3: the next three years, Katie Well.
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  Speaker 2: Rob and I you know, look the.
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  Speaker 1: Opposition or sorry, the government Minister for Small Business, Paul Kirby,
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  Speaker 1: he came on the show yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: He said, you know that.
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  Speaker 1: We've got sort of lobby groups or some of those
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  Speaker 1: health groups and new advocacy groups calling for one thing
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  Speaker 1: to happen. You've then, obviously, he said, got the opposition
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  Speaker 1: and the Independence calling for something else, and they feel
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  Speaker 1: as though they've.
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  Speaker 2: Met somewhere in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the thing that I feel has been
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  Speaker 1: totally sort of lost in this discussion, and I know
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  Speaker 1: it's not lost on you, but where the consultation with
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  Speaker 1: those victims is at.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's sort of the main victims.
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  Speaker 3: They're good at talking about, you know, the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they care about the experience of victims that they place
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  Speaker 3: victims first.
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  Speaker 4: It's all spin.
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  Speaker 3: You get a lot of words, but when in practice
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  Speaker 3: they had an opportunity to change something quite significant, stopping
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  Speaker 3: kids from just being put on bail and back out
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  Speaker 3: on the street, they just couldn't follow through with it.
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  Speaker 4: They just couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Stomach the backlash from their own factions around the implications
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  Speaker 3: of that.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a ship without a rudder.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a week leader week ministers that are bowing
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  Speaker 3: to the left factions within labor and.
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  Speaker 4: Crime will go on. Katie.
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  Speaker 3: I suspect that it will continue to worsen unless they
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  Speaker 3: really find some courage and do something about it. But
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  Speaker 3: we didn't see that courage played out in Parliament this week, Robin.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other things that's really been spoken quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit about in recent times, but it's something that
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  Speaker 1: one of our listeners actually got in contact with us
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  Speaker 1: about over the weekend as well, is the police attrition rate.
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  Speaker 1: And we are going to be catching up with the
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  Speaker 1: Police Association in just a little while. But the leader
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  Speaker 1: of the opposition Leofanocchiaro, has come out today and she
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  Speaker 1: says that the Northern Territory Police force attrition rate has
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  Speaker 1: hit crisis point and an urgent investigation by an independent
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  Speaker 1: parliamentary committee must be launched to work out why so
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  Speaker 1: many officers are leave and what can be done to
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  Speaker 1: improve retention rates.
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  Speaker 2: Robin, is this something that you would.
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  Speaker 3: Support, Absolutely, Katie, But we'll be debating that in a
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  Speaker 3: few minutes when we go into Parliament at ten o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: She's calling on a select committee to undertake an independent
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  Speaker 3: investigation into what's happening in this space.
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  Speaker 4: This is a serious problem.
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  Speaker 3: You've got crime out of control, you've got the police
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  Speaker 3: really struggling to keep their numbers up, and you've got
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  Speaker 3: a police minister who tells you that everything's fabulous and
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  Speaker 3: everything's fine, and it's not. But Katie, like we saw
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  Speaker 3: last week in Parliament when they're independent Member for Malka
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  Speaker 3: ying Yagoulia, tried to set up a select committee to
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  Speaker 3: look at youth crime. This will not get up in parliament.
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  Speaker 4: The government will.
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  Speaker 3: Not allow this, and gosh, I'll eat my word if
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  Speaker 3: it turns out to be wrong. But there's no way
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  Speaker 3: in the world that this government wants to put a
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  Speaker 3: magnifying glass over what's happening within the.
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  Speaker 4: The police force.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to do this a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 3: and they shut me down, and they belittled me, and
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  Speaker 3: they said everything fabulous, and they will continue to say
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  Speaker 3: that it. There's one thing that the Minister for Police
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  Speaker 3: is good at, Niclelee Manison, and that is spin. She
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  Speaker 3: will never concede an inch that there's anything wrong with
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  Speaker 3: anything she says and does. And to my mind, it's
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  Speaker 3: extremely misleading and belittling to territories hearing ministers that just
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  Speaker 3: really all they want to do is obtain themselves in
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  Speaker 3: the bright light, when in fact we have serious problems
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  Speaker 3: within the.
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  Speaker 2: Police I mean at this point in time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and at this point in time, I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about twenty two officers in the space of
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  Speaker 1: just one month, it's quite a large number. And I
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  Speaker 1: know that she'd said to us on the show earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the week when we asked her about it, that
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  Speaker 1: it is because of those competitive well the competitive sort
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  Speaker 1: of oh, I can't think of what the word is. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, trying to get people to relocate to those
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  Speaker 1: other states, so that competition from the other story.
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  Speaker 3: But you sort of think if they're deliriously happy, do
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  Speaker 3: they well they're feeling supported and the legislation and the
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  Speaker 3: policies of the government are helping and assisting them to
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  Speaker 3: keep territory and safe. That's the issue, Katie, And that's
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  Speaker 3: what you won't hear the Minister the police talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll continue to talk about it, Robin, no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, just very quickly though, I know that.
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  Speaker 1: You've been focusing the best that you can on Alice
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  Speaker 1: Springs in Parliament. What have been some of the other
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  Speaker 1: issues that you've raised for the community in Alice.
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  Speaker 3: Oh. Look, I asked a question to the Minister for
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  Speaker 3: Economic Reconstruction in Central Australia again, what's happening with our
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  Speaker 3: art gallery?
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  Speaker 4: And again we've got a pretty much of a non answer.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'll just toil away, Katie, asking the same questions
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  Speaker 3: I asked pretty much during every sitting about crime, about
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  Speaker 3: what's happening with our economy in Central Australia.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's my I'm in.
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  Speaker 3: Parliament to represent the people of Alistair, absolutely and that's
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  Speaker 3: just what I do.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think it's an incredibly important job of
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  Speaker 1: the opposition and the independence that you are there to
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  Speaker 1: ask those questions on behalf of the community. Robin, just
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  Speaker 1: very quickly, are you allowed to still say impotent in parliament?
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  Speaker 4: Oh god, I need to test that out. That's a
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  Speaker 4: good question.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give it a go today and i'll let you
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  Speaker 3: know tomorrow it sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow for the week. That was good
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  Speaker 1: on you, Robin, Thank you, Thanks Katin, you are listening
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  Speaker 1: to mix one oh four point nine's three sixty Robin's
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  Speaker 1: always good at articulating those words. Those, you know, impotents
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  Speaker 1: not a word that I use in my daily life,
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  Speaker 1: but I reckon that's a good one to use in parliament,
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  Speaker 1: and one which she uses quite often given the fact
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  Speaker 1: they're no longer allowed to say incompetent eight nine four
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  Speaker 1: one one oh four nine. If you would like to
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  Speaker 1: call through, if you want to send us a text
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  Speaker 1: message zero four one eight nine five seven three sixty nine. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we actually did just get message from Jared Mayley as well,
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  Speaker 1: and he let us know that the legislation around the
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  Speaker 1: youth bail.
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  Speaker 2: It's for those who go.
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  Speaker 1: On bail as of today, not those that are already
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  Speaker 1: on bail. So that's actually a very interesting part of
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  Speaker 1: this discussion. So basically, these changes that come into play.
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  Speaker 1: They're for those that go on bail well as of today,
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  Speaker 1: not those already on bail.