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  Hello and welcome. This is my second UK column
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  interview of 2026. I'm Mark Anderson, correspondent
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  based in the US for UK column and I am very glad to welcome to
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  the show today Orlean Curla of California.
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  She's a long time Eagle Forum President and member in that
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  state. California is the other left
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  coast, along with the East Coast.
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  There's two left coasts in the US, as the joke goes.
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  But she's been fighting the good fight for a long time.
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  And it was in 1995, Orlean, as I recall reading your books and
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  talking with you, that you first began to realise that very
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  strange things were afoot with regards to water policy, with
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  with regards to drought, with regards to the weather, the
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  nature of the weather even. And it's been a long learning
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  curve for you. And you've been showing up at
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  meetings, you've been doing a lot of things to try and get
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  people to see the light as you learned what was going on you.
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  You've tried to help others. You've done a very good job of
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  it. A number of proposals and
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  propositions on the California ballot.
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  You've had a lot to do with some of those, some past, some
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  didn't, but you've really made a difference.
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  That's always impressed me in about the 15 years or so that
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  I've known you. But welcome to the show, Orlean.
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  Thank you very much, Mark. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  I've heard wonderful things about this UK column and it's
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  great that that Britain has such a wonderful organisation and
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  it's nice to be back with you. Indeed, yes, we're trying to
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  make a real difference beyond exposure seeking solutions.
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  Anyway, a good place to start is just a little bit of background.
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  I know I gave some there, but I think you've been a teacher.
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  Tell us just a little snapshot about yourself to supplement
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  what I said and maybe add to it. Well, I actually grew up on a
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  nice Idaho potato farm in a little town called Roberts,
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  Idaho. So I understand the plight of
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  the farmers that people are facing across the world now.
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  But I, I loved those wonderful, conservative, nice people that I
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  grew up with. And my father was the mayor of
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  the town. My uncle was a state senator.
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  And so that's kind of how I got started being interested in
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  politics. That's what we spoke about it
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  every dining room table, evening meal.
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  And I thought everyone grew up in a family like that, but I
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  discovered that was not the case.
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  Anyway, I when we moved to Santa Rosa, CA, it was my husband who
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  got a job at Sonoma State University that brought us here
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  and our youngest son was born the day after we arrived.
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  I have five sons and one daughter and when our youngest
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  son was in the 6th grade, I thought maybe I can go back to
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  teaching. So I had taught in Idaho Falls
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  when we were first married. I taught speech and drama and
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  journalism. It was really the journalism
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  that got me interested in writing.
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  And after teaching 20 years, then in when I was in 19 or
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  2010, I decided to retire and started writing even more books.
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  But my, my first book that I really was very interested in
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  was a very huge one. I'll show you that this is
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  called USA Transformation and it's parallel to the European
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  Union. And that was what really woke me
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  up to what was going on in the world.
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  But in 2006 is when I started really finding out about United
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  Nations Agenda 21, because we discovered that was right here
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  in Santa Rosa. And they were making it so that
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  anyone that had a Creek in their property, we have 7 acres and a
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  Creek running through it. That that Creek was supposed to
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  have 100 foot set back on both sides.
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  And you couldn't plough the land, you couldn't use it.
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  And I thought, what on earth is going on?
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  And I discovered this is all part of the agenda 21 plans for
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  us to have total control of our lives and our water, the air we
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  breathe, everything, our transportation.
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  And so I started doing more and more investigation about it.
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  And and that's when this California water crisis but came
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  out. And in this I mentioned How I
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  Met this wonderful lady, Rosa Corey.
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  And I know the UK column, Sandy Adams has mentioned her, that it
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  was her book Behind the Green Mask that woke her up.
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  And it was actually Rosa Curry that found out about Agenda 21
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  from me because she started attending some of our meetings
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  and heard me speak about it. And she was fighting the battles
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  inside our cities while I was fighting them out in our rural
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  area. So we would join forces and help
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  fight each other's battles, and that's kind of where my whole
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  beginning of battling, fighting, fighting has started was back in
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  2006. Anyway, Arlene, thank you for
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  that additional background on yourself.
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  And we can sprinkle more of that throughout the interview today
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  if we need to. But anyway, I've been looking
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  at, I've been looking at the aforementioned books,
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  California's water crisis, Agenda 212030.
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  Hopefully that'll become Agenda 3000 and never happened, right?
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  And Inferno, Enigma and I, I noticed that when I read through
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  these two books, there was a strong continuity.
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  One thing led to another, which led to another.
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  You, you're very talented in peeling the onion, as it were.
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  And in the book about California's water crisis, which
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  by itself is really unsettling to read, that this kind of
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  arrogance and this kind of mismanagement can happen in any
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  government, be it local, state, regional, whatever it it notes
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  here. And I took some notes on this.
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  Author Orlean Curla asked an important question of the
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  California water agencies at a Grange Hall meeting back
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  November 19, 2015. So just past your 10 year
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  anniversary there in Bennett Valley near Santa Rosa, CA.
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  And you asked this question, what if California has plenty of
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  rain and the drought is literally declared over?
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  Will the state of emergency, this, these are declared kind of
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  frequently, Will that state of emergency be ended?
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  And will all the regulations end?
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  And will, will the, will the water agencies like yourselves
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  who you're speaking to, will they go away?
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  And the agent in charge replied, of course not.
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  California will never receive enough rain to end this drought
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  or crisis. And we, the agents who are
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  overseeing this will never go away.
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  But I'm, what I'm getting out of this as I look through this, is
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  that a crisis is a very good business.
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  Some of us recall Rahm Emanuel, a long time mayor of Chicago,
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  who was involved in the global cities movement and he wrote a
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  book called When Mayors Ruled the World.
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  And the the idea was that cities would become much more involved
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  in global governance, kind of local globalism or what's called
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  globalism, and they would sort of invert everything.
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  And the cities would network together and basically step
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  outside the legal framework of the nations they inhabit and
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  network together to bring about grassroots globalism.
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  And so Rahm Emanuel was famous for saying never let a good
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  crisis go to waste. And this seems to be what's been
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  going on in California. They've never let a good crisis
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  go to waste. That's right.
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  And they keep creating new ones. They love those crises to keep
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  working with. I do quote him in my book.
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  And what was interesting, when I first wrote the book I had on
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  the cover, it showed a lake that had been totally, you know,
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  drained of its water like Folsom.
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  And then when I updated the book, we had a state of so much
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  rain that there was flooding all across.
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  Going to Reading Hwy 5. All of the trucks were
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  underwater and and it didn't matter then.
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  So now they use too much rain as a crisis.
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  So you they go from drought to flooding and never let the
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  crisis go away. Yeah, I recall travelling about
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  3 years ago in West TX out toward El Paso, toward New
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  Mexico, and I picked up a newspaper, the Pioneer Times I
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  believe it was called. And I was somewhat astonished,
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  although not blown away to read that the Texas Department of
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  Licencing and Regulation would rather routinely list the
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  applications for licences for cloud seeding.
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  And all told, the licences that were shared, the information
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  about the licence applications were shared as a legal news
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  notice in that small newspaper. So the companies wanting to do
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  the cloud seeding could say that they, they, they made the
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  minimum requirement of public notice by publishing that legal
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  ad in that rather obscure paper that probably hardly anybody
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  ever read, at least not in large numbers.
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  And some 30 million acres or so, or at least up to that were
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  targeted for cloud seeding. And what I find kind of
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  paradoxical is on the one hand, you could, you could logically
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  and in in an advanced way, you could plan on cloud seeding to
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  mitigate an expected drought. You know, we know this time of
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  year is going to be going to be dry.
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  We have to keep the water table up, the aquifers from which the
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  irrigation systems draw. And so therefore, we we need to
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  encourage a little rain, bring up the water table, and then the
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  irrigation will work better. Things won't become overly dry.
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  The crops won't fail. Otherwise, if you don't do that
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  minimal cloud seeding, in my mind, it's almost like a planned
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  fail. Let's just let the crops fail.
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  Let's let the almond trees dry up into nothing.
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  Or here in South Texas where I live, the orange Groves are
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  suffering something terrible. Even right now, as I speak,
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  we're having an extended route here in Hidalgo County and the
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  Rio Grande Valley, South Texas. But that's what's strange,
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  right, is that there's all this technology to mitigate drought.
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  And OK, on the other hand, we can have too much rain, then you
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  wouldn't want a cloud seed if you're anticipating too much
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  rain. Or is the cloud seeding causing
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  too much rain? But the bottom line is, is that
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  there is this kind of tool kit of different ways to modify the
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  weather, cloud seeding being one of them, and it could be used
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  for good. It seems to me and I this was in
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  the book that you just showed it could be used for good.
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  And yet we don't see a pattern of stewardship that suggests
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  that the authorities are doing the right thing.
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  It always looks like something nefarious or inexplicable is
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  happening. And they don't even want people
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  to know that cloud seeding is possible.
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  I try to keep it very hidden. And but we do know that it, it
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  really started with the Vietnam War.
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  They were using cloud seeding to create enormous rain so that the
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  the Viet Cong could not travel. There was too much mud on the
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  ground. And they've been using it for a
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  long, long time. And as I mentioned in my book,
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  PG and E Pacific gas and electric car electrical
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  providers here actually have a room on the 6th floor that's
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  called the weather modification room.
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  If they were not capable of doing such a thing, why would
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  they call it that? Yeah, PG and E, for the record,
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  is Pacific Gas and Electric in California, correct?
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  Yes. Yeah, that's a very large
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  utility there. Yeah, the the 6th floor, it
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  almost has that Kennedy sound to it, right, the 6th floor.
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  And at any rate that that is somewhat shocking in the sense
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  that they would be that open about it.
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  And yet at the same time, there's this kind of general
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  sense of denial that weather modification can exist.
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  It's worth mentioning at this, at this juncture, that someone
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  spoke to a think tank recently and they talked about NOAA, the
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  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
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  And this person representing NOAA said that there's no
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  substantive, meaningful, impactful way that human beings
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  can modify the weather. But if you go to Noaa's website,
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  the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, part
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  of the federal government, it lists at least nine, maybe 10
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  ways that the weather can conceivably be modified.
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  And the reason it lists them is that it says that if you do
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  these without a licence, any of them or any combination of them,
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  you can be fined $10,000. Well, how can you be fined
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  $10,000 for multiple ways to modify the weather unless those
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  ways of modifying actually exist?
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  Exactly. And as I mentioned earlier, they
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  they have a patent to allow all of these various methods to be
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  used. You can't have a patent for
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  something that isn't possible. Yeah, exactly.
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  Multiple patents. The Patent Office of the United
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  States will not grant you a patent for something that's
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  theoretical. It has to actually work.
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  Look at my new mousetrap. It has to actually catch a
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  mouse. So, you know, yeah, these are
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  the things that make it so inexplicable and and disturbing.
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  Unsettling where you see what we're talking about, and yet
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  you've been to many meetings. I've been to a few myself.
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  And if you bring up even the most tame or innocuous ideas
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  regarding the weather that it could be modified by human
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  beings whatsoever, you're looked at like you have 3 heads.
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  Well, everything is are improving.
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  We have several states in our nation now that have passed laws
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  that there will be no chemtrails seating over their skies.
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  Florida is one of those. And you know, maybe 10 years ago
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  you it was impossible to even mention chemtrails without being
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  laughed at that the fact that they even have legislation that
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  has passed prohibiting this is, is remarkable.
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  So we have made a little progress.
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  Yeah, it's being recognised, just like in Florida, the
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  addition of fluoride, the fluoride to so called take care
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  of your teeth in water, in public water.
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  They're finally recognising that the principle is wrong.
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  You shall not mass Medicaid. It doesn't matter whether
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  fluoride helps your teeth when you put it in the public water
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  or not. You cannot mass Medicaid.
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  You cannot make everyone take something at the same time
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  without their consent. So it doesn't matter if it works
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  or not. The principle is wrong.
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  And I would argue, and I, and I know you've made this argument,
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  that here again, if you're putting something into the
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  atmosphere, no matter how innocuous, whether it works or
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  not, whether it, whether it is what you say it is or not, if
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  you do it without disclosure, it's wrong on its face.
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  And it it seems like what we do in the air, just like what we do
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  in the public water supply, ought to follow that same
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  principle. Definitely.
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  At any rate, the you also mentioned in your California
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  water crisis book that fast track to the winners of 2017,
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  2019-2020, 1 and 2025. We talked about that question
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  that you asked in 2015, and they said that the, you know, no
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  matter what happens, even if the heavy rains and whether there's
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  a drought or not a drought, they'll never drop the crisis
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  mode, the crisis status. You mentioned that the real
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  agenda behind water crisis is what are the goals of
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  regionalism and Agenda 21, which became Agenda 2030 under the UN
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  Sustainable Development Goals. There's seventeen of those.
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  How does geoengineering play into this crisis and that.
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  Let's get into that. How does geoengineering play
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  into this never ending crisis that you were told would never
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  go away by those California officials and then talk about
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  the Klamath River where you have hydraulic energy sources being
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  subdued or destroyed. First of all, yeah, how does the
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  geoengineering that we're we're definitely pounding on here.
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  How does that fit into the the greater agenda?
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  Well, geoengineering is just another fancier word for weather
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  modification and being able to manipulate the weather.
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  And in my book, I do show the various ways they can do this.
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  One of those is by HARP. HARP stands for High Area Aurora
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  Morales. What's the project?
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  And this is it still exists. It's in Alaska.
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  I show a picture of it. So it can be turned on and send
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  these very powerful electromagnetic waves into the
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  upper atmosphere. And through that it can heat up
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  the air. It can then move clouds.
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  It can especially move and work with the chemtrails that have
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  already been sprayed over a certain area.
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  It can create horrific winds out of nowhere and it can create
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  periods of drought. It can create periods of
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  horrific hail and rain. And this is all under the big
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  title of geoengineering. And so definitely it plays into
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  either creating storms or creating droughts, whatever the
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  a prescribed agenda is. And I'm sorry to say it is an
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  agenda and it works really well with Agenda 21, which desires
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  essentially to get people off their land and move them into
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  the cities where they can be more easily controlled.
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  It's all about control. And your second point that you
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  wanted me to talk about was the amazing things that have
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  happened on the Klamath River. So the Klamath River at one time
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  had four dams, one on the Oregon side, 1/3 on the Northern
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  California side. Between the years 2023 and 2024,
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  these dams were all removed and something that we had all been
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  fighting against for probably 15 years when they first started to
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  come up with this idea, they actually had federal legislation
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  to allow it to happen. That never was passed, but it
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  was through the environmental groups that they finally got
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  this to to finally be done and PG and E was going along with
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  it. And I'm so sorry to say one of
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  our wonderful congressman, Doug Lamalfa from Northern California
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  was the outspoken one fighting against it.
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  I quote him in my book and show his picture.
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  He just passed away January 6th. Sorry, I get all emotional
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  because he was one of our favourite people and really a
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  courageous man standing up against this.
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  And he predicted exactly what would happen if these dams came
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  down. And his prediction is exactly
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  correct. The environmentalists were
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  saying, oh, we're going to be saving the salmon and those poor
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  little salmon that couldn't make it upstream because of the dams.
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  Those salmon have been doing so well.
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  They've never been endangered. We can get them at every
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  restaurant we want to order them and yet, thank you.
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  I'm saying that they're they were endangered.
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  Well, bringing down the dams caused hundreds of thousands of
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  salmon to die. You would see them flying on the
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  side of the banks of these sad looking Klamath rivers and the
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  salmon need to have a gravel on both sides of the rivers to be
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  able to spawn. That is totally gone.
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  It's just covered with horrible thick mud.
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  And the poor little animals that would try to get to the river to
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  drink, they were got stuck in that mud and there was no way to
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  rescue them and they just died. So many little deer and
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  different animals were just stuck in that mud.
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  So it was a terrible disaster and terrible outcome for not
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  only the fish, but for other wildlife.
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  And yet the goal is to continue to do this because bringing down
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  dams let's these evil people control water even more.
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  And as I mentioned, Agenda 21/20/30 is all about control.
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  80 dams in the past few years have been brought down across
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  our nation. Those people are not even aware
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  of that because it's done very quietly, no big fanfare, and
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  they continue to try to bring down more.
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  And of course, it also takes away the reservoirs that are
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  there, that these wonderful, beautiful lakes, reservoirs that
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  have been created. If you do have wildfires, you
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  need to dip into those reservoirs to fight them.
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  They're gone. So it's it's been a disaster for
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  Northern California. It's been a disaster especially
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  for the farmers and ranchers that relied on that water coming
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  through the Klamath River. The Klamath needed those dams to
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  regulate it. Otherwise, it has periods of
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  flooding, periods of drought, and with a dam, it continue.
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  It regulates the constant flow of the water.
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  These dams also had the best hydraulic power, clean energy,
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  that's all removed. And one of the dams even had a
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  fish hatchery that produced 6,000,000 little salmon fish
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  every year. Of course, that's all gone.
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  So it's been a disaster in every sense of the word.
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  You know, what you're, what you're describing shows the
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  utter hypocrisy of the people that advocate removing dams, the
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  very things that they say are good, you know, helping
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  wildlife. And you mentioned the fish
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  hatchery and all the, the deer and other wildlife, both land,
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  land dwellers and, and the fish themselves.
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  All of it came to harm, all of it went downhill and all of it
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  turned out wrong. And yet these people will say,
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  you know, we're, we're environmentalists.
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  We believe in improving the environment.
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  There's nothing there whatsoever that speaks of improving the
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  environment in any way at all. You know, also the, it's worth
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  mentioning or emphasising that you mentioned that hydroelectric
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  power could and was being generated by the Klamath River
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  dams, at least some of them. That kind of that kind of power
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  is also what they call renewable energy, you know, clean energy.
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  So even there they couldn't even bat 1000 on that, they couldn't
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  even get that. And so it, it just shows it, it
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  just shows the utter bankruptcy of the arguments of those who
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  are making these blatant and unnecessary and very damaging
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  changes. And and as you say, some 80 dams
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  and probably even more than that, that we don't fully
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  realise have been completely torn down or torn out.
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  It's a wonder they don't take out the Hoover Dam.
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  You know it's is that the last standing major dance?
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  On the schedule. Have you?
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  Are you? Serious.
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  And yes, and it's probably happening in other countries
• 24:10
  too, because this is a worldwide agenda.
• 24:16
  Boy, there's something to keep an eye on for some subsequent
• 24:19
  articles to this interview perhaps, and and maybe some
• 24:22
  further books or updates of books that you might do.
• 24:25
  But anyway, the the water crisis alone, it is so disturbing.
• 24:32
  You mentioned Operation Popeye as it was known in Vietnam,
• 24:36
  where they shot flares into the air to make it rain, including
• 24:40
  on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. So North Vietnamese and Viet
• 24:42
  Cong forces couldn't travel well.
• 24:44
  And that was declassified relatively recently and finally
• 24:49
  made known. And I'll mention as a quick
• 24:51
  footnote, Ron Avery, a videographer and kind of
• 24:56
  political philosopher, a friend of mine.
• 24:58
  He and I went to a 2017, I believe it was American
• 25:03
  Meteorological Association meeting.
• 25:07
  And we were asking questions on the exhibit floor about high
• 25:11
  tech companies wanting to get involved with the weather with
• 25:14
  regards to the military. So in other words, on the floor
• 25:18
  where all these companies advertising their wares and
• 25:21
  their technology and their gadgets, we will help the Army
• 25:25
  predict the weather. We will help the Navy use use
• 25:29
  their knowledge of the weather to fight our wars.
• 25:33
  And all of it was not quite saying that we will modify the
• 25:38
  weather in a militarily favourable way, but it was
• 25:41
  knocking on the door of that and we were asking questions.
• 25:45
  And I'll just mention this is a little anecdotal thing before we
• 25:48
  move on to another tier on this that we were actually they
• 25:51
  attempted to kick us out of a weather or excuse me, the
• 25:55
  American Meteorological Association conference, most of
• 26:00
  it pretty innocuous. And because we were asking
• 26:02
  questions about weather mod and the questions were not hardball,
• 26:06
  they were pretty softball. They threatened to throw us out.
• 26:10
  Isn't that amazing? They do not want the truth
• 26:13
  revealed in any way, do they? Well, we weren't, we weren't as
• 26:17
  Privy or or as knowledgeable then as we are now.
• 26:20
  And so the questions really weren't that hardball as I said
• 26:23
  and even then. And I just told the guy I have
• 26:27
  press credentials, I'm not going anywhere and he dropped it.
• 26:29
  But anyway, it just shows the sensitivity.
• 26:32
  This is why I mention it to anyone that asks even the most
• 26:35
  basic questions about these things.
• 26:38
  But anyway, the other book that you wrote and not that these are
• 26:44
  the only two books you've written several Inferno enigma.
• 26:48
  Now there there's a a definite pet.
• 26:51
  Yes, there's a definite pattern here.
• 26:53
  You know, from why is it raining too much?
• 26:57
  Why is it not raining enough? Why do we have a drought or
• 27:00
  floods? And then, as you mentioned with
• 27:02
  the Klamath River, they even got rid of the all important
• 27:06
  reservoirs that the dam system would work with or kind of, you
• 27:11
  know, work within a in a synergistic fashion to create
• 27:15
  reservoirs with which to fight fires that might break out.
• 27:20
  And so they're destroying not only the dams, not only hurting
• 27:25
  wildlife, not only hurting farmers, but they're actually
• 27:29
  lessening or harming the ability to fight fires, which harms
• 27:33
  everyone, farmers, wildlife, people's homes and property,
• 27:37
  leads to death and destruction. So removing those dams was kind
• 27:43
  of the ecological nuclear bomb, if you will.
• 27:47
  It's it's affecting everything. So therefore, when you look at
• 27:51
  the whole continuity of everything, too much rain, not
• 27:53
  enough rain, things are getting too dry, the ground's getting
• 27:57
  too hard because we haven't had enough rain.
• 27:59
  Therefore the the ground's not as porous.
• 28:01
  So it's almost like the rain is hitting concrete.
• 28:04
  When it finally does rain, it doesn't soak into the ground
• 28:06
  well. Therefore the water table, the
• 28:09
  the reservoirs, the aquifers are not being regenerated to help
• 28:13
  the irrigation systems. I mean, look at how everything
• 28:17
  is adversely affected. And then you do get fires.
• 28:22
  But not only do you have what are called conventional
• 28:24
  wildfires, you also have fires, as you've documented here, that
• 28:28
  have characteristics that are very strange.
• 28:32
  And so as if it isn't bad enough that there's extreme
• 28:36
  comprehensive water mismanagement, oh, no, that's
• 28:39
  let's not stop there. Let's also enter a world where
• 28:44
  fires are showing burn patterns and intensity that make no
• 28:50
  sense, especially to those that have experienced conventional
• 28:53
  fires. And you yourself at your own
• 28:56
  home in California experienced a fire.
• 28:59
  Take us there. Start there with your own fire
• 29:02
  and now take us on the journey with looking at these fires that
• 29:07
  we've seen in recent years. Right.
• 29:11
  So in 2017, October 9th, my husband and I and we actually
• 29:19
  had three house guests with us. We were out walking on a Sunday
• 29:24
  afternoon and suddenly this horrendous wind came up out of
• 29:28
  nowhere. It was like a 50 to 60 mile an
• 29:31
  hour wind and I, I couldn't believe it.
• 29:34
  It was almost like it blew us off The Walking path.
• 29:37
  I said, this is really worrisome.
• 29:39
  I wonder if we're going to have some kind of a strange fire.
• 29:42
  What had also happened? I'd noticed three days before
• 29:46
  this fire, really heavy chemtrails.
• 29:49
  You saw them everywhere, and they were just continuing on.
• 29:53
  And as I write in my book, these chemtrails are dropping off and
• 29:57
  aluminium oxide, which causes fires to ignite really quickly
• 30:03
  and especially covering trees. So anyway, we went to bed that
• 30:08
  night. And at 2:30 in the morning, the
• 30:12
  winds were still blowing. Our daughter heard a knock on
• 30:15
  the door, and her window was right over where the front door
• 30:19
  is. And so she opened the window and
• 30:21
  said, what is it? And this fireman said, you have
• 30:24
  to evacuate. There's a fire coming over the
• 30:27
  Ridge behind your home. And so our three houseguests
• 30:31
  were already packed, ready to go.
• 30:33
  So they immediately evacuated and my daughter, thinking that
• 30:38
  this was not going to be too much, had a shower because she
• 30:41
  had to teach school that day. But anyway, by the time we
• 30:46
  finally got ourselves out, it was 1/2 an hour later.
• 30:49
  We grabbed some supplies and each of us took a car.
• 30:53
  Thank goodness because what happened to the cars that were
• 30:56
  left, It's just horrible. But we before we left, I had my
• 31:01
  husband give our home a blessing and we prayed really hard and,
• 31:06
  and we left. Well, we went to a our, our
• 31:10
  daughter in So we were there and a good
• 31:27
  friend who was able to go through the Little League field
• 31:31
  to see where our property was, he called us and said your home
• 31:35
  survive while all these other six homes around you were
• 31:38
  totally destroyed. He said you could actually see
• 31:41
  where the fire came to your property line and stopped.
• 31:45
  So of course we thought that was miraculous and so grateful.
• 31:49
  But I personally believe it also had something to do with the
• 31:52
  fact our home was the only home that did not have a smart metre.
• 31:57
  And as I write in my book, I think there's a direct
• 32:00
  correlation between these smart metres and what I truly believe
• 32:05
  was causing these fires. Direct Energy weapon.
• 32:08
  Because there was no way that this was a wildfire could do it.
• 32:12
  What happened? Every single home was destroyed,
• 32:16
  totally down to its cement foundation.
• 32:19
  Everything crumbled. All metal melted.
• 32:22
  All glass melted first, then melted.
• 32:26
  A normal house fire does not 'cause that we had a normal
• 32:30
  house fire back in 1984, but did not melt our refrigerators, did
• 32:34
  not melt our washing machines, and did not crumble the cement
• 32:38
  foundation. But every single home.
• 32:40
  And in Santa Rosa, 5600, homes were destroyed one after the
• 32:46
  other, and everything left looking the same, with the
• 32:49
  cement foundation totally gone. Everything melted.
• 32:53
  And the cars, if any car was left, they look just the same,
• 32:57
  totally gutted out. And some were absolutely too
• 33:02
  straight down to their foundation.
• 33:04
  Others, at least this steel frame was a little bit there.
• 33:09
  But these fires were even melting steel.
• 33:12
  And a forest fire does not melt metal.
• 33:15
  A forest fire maybe at the most burns 1000°.
• 33:19
  It takes 3000° to melt metal and steel.
• 33:22
  So you knew something else was going on.
• 33:25
  And as I write in my book, the only explanation is a something
• 33:30
  coming from the sky. And so many people actually saw
• 33:34
  5G laser, blue laser shooting. And where do these lasers aim
• 33:40
  for? They in the thick dark clouds,
• 33:43
  they wouldn't know or tissue, except the smart metre gives out
• 33:47
  this pulsed radiation constant and they have that to aim for.
• 33:52
  And then the smart metre itself is made from a lithium battery
• 33:55
  and lithium is highly explosive. So it goes from maybe 100°C to
• 34:03
  6000° Fahrenheit, not centigrade, 6000°F in just
• 34:09
  seconds. So the smart metre explodes and
• 34:12
  continues that through the the copper wiring through the house.
• 34:17
  And so you immediately have the house burning from the inside
• 34:21
  out. And that's what I truly believed
• 34:24
  happened. Let me pull over there.
• 34:27
  What would you say to those? And there are a number of people
• 34:30
  that have looked at the water issues, have looked at all these
• 34:34
  matters, but they stop a little short about dude, directed
• 34:38
  energy weapons. DEW.
• 34:40
  Yes, the military does have noted directed energy
• 34:43
  programmes, the US military included, I believe, other
• 34:46
  militaries. But some people will say, oh,
• 34:49
  come on, you know, lasers from the sky, directed energy
• 34:52
  weapons. That's the stuff of Star Trek.
• 34:54
  Flash Gordon. It's too futuristic.
• 34:57
  We're not there yet. Of course you're going to get
• 35:00
  denial from from the government. But maybe in this case, they're
• 35:04
  telling the truth. You know, maybe they're not
• 35:06
  there yet. We've heard John Brennan, former
• 35:09
  head of the CIA, the Central Central Intelligence Agency,
• 35:14
  address the Council on Foreign Relations.
• 35:16
  That's documented where he talked about weather
• 35:19
  modification in a somewhat vague and futuristic way.
• 35:23
  Like someday we'll be there. Someday we'll be able to do
• 35:26
  this. Someday we'll be able to do
• 35:27
  that. So there seems to be this
• 35:29
  knowledge gap or this perspective, different
• 35:34
  perspectives where some people will readily say, yes, directed
• 35:39
  energy, but others don't grab onto that or they don't feel
• 35:43
  there's enough proof of that. What, what would you say based
• 35:46
  on the experiences of yourself and others to that?
• 35:49
  Because I get a lot of that. So it is more and more the fact
• 35:55
  that people are beginning to recognise that something was
• 35:59
  very different from these fires and it was not only the centres
• 36:03
  of fire. I go into the fire that happened
• 36:06
  in Paradise where 19,000 homes were destroyed, all looking the
• 36:11
  same, and the same with Lahaina and Maui where 2000 homes were
• 36:17
  destroyed, all looking the same. And then I, I go into the fires
• 36:23
  that happened the next year in Texas as well as Canada.
• 36:27
  And then I end up with the fires that happened in Los Angeles
• 36:31
  and, or they had 16,000 homes destroyed again, all metal
• 36:37
  melted down to the cement foundation pulverised.
• 36:41
  And you cannot say that these are normal forest fires.
• 36:45
  But and, and then the other thing, what kind of a forest
• 36:47
  fire zaps every home and leaves the forest standing?
• 36:51
  All the trees were standing around these homes and trees
• 36:55
  around our neighbours homes we're standing.
• 36:58
  So I know it's a horrible thought to think that any
• 37:02
  government could possibly be doing this, but 32 nations have
• 37:06
  Direct Energy weapons and you go into a government website, they
• 37:10
  are very proud of them. They show what they're they're
• 37:15
  amazing different I instruments look like that are causing this
• 37:21
  in my book. I show a picture of right there
• 37:24
  on the Maui island as a second Air Force Base that uses Direct
• 37:30
  Energy weapons and they were just awarded for creating this
• 37:34
  really large one. And if you go to the Lockheed
• 37:38
  Martin website, they're the biggest government agency that
• 37:43
  helps produce these weapons. They have videos that show their
• 37:46
  technology, what they're able capable of doing, how they can
• 37:50
  either shoot from down below and destroy any kind of a drone up
• 37:56
  in the sky, or they can shoot from the drone down to the
• 37:59
  ground and and cause fires even or destroy weapons.
• 38:05
  They can shoot ships on the ocean and destroy them.
• 38:09
  So of course they're saying that these are all being used for
• 38:13
  protection for people, but the fact that they're being so
• 38:19
  widely, these fires everywhere, and that's really the only
• 38:24
  explanation for them. And and then in my book, I also
• 38:28
  let people understand why I truly believe these were planned
• 38:32
  fires, because they wanted that land for something else.
• 38:37
  You can't have a planned fire with a little forest fire that
• 38:41
  chooses its own method and where it's going.
• 38:45
  In my book, I show there was a section of Santa Rosa called
• 38:49
  Coffee Park that the city, the Board of Supervisors had already
• 38:54
  planned a certain section of it and had a map laid out in June
• 38:59
  of 2017. And then lo and behold, in
• 39:02
  October when this fire hit, that exact same map was destroyed.
• 39:08
  A little bit over the edges here and there, but you can't have
• 39:12
  something already planned out and follow a map unless this was
• 39:17
  a directed energy fire. And that's, that's the only
• 39:21
  explanation. And more and more people are
• 39:23
  finally beginning to realise this, as painful as it is, but
• 39:27
  to be able to talk about. Yeah, I mean, if I look at it
• 39:32
  like a detective, I, I grew up watching Colombo and Sherlock
• 39:36
  Holmes serials and whatnot, Colombo would say, but you know,
• 39:40
  how else could it happen? I mean, in other words, there's
• 39:43
  only so many ways that you could make that happen.
• 39:46
  And you have plenty of photos in actually both books, especially
• 39:50
  the Infernal Enigma, Inferno Enigma, excuse me, but both
• 39:54
  books, you've got several pictures where, as you
• 39:57
  described, the fire patterns are precise for each house.
• 40:02
  It's very surgical. And then you get to a street and
• 40:06
  the entire fire stops and there's barely any, if any
• 40:10
  debris on the net on the street. That is sort of where everything
• 40:14
  ends. And then the houses across that
• 40:16
  street are perfectly intact. That's right.
• 40:19
  That was in Coffee Park and the other.
• 40:21
  You also show you also show pictures.
• 40:26
  Sorry, sorry. Go ahead.
• 40:29
  For them to get to coffee park they're supposed to forest fire,
• 40:32
  had to jump 4 lanes of a super freeway and then start the fire
• 40:37
  again. It just it doesn't make sense.
• 40:42
  Yeah, and, and again, looking at it like the detective, if the
• 40:45
  trees aren't burning much, if any of the trees, then how can
• 40:49
  the forest fire travel from one place to another?
• 40:52
  What is fire? Fire is basically a plasma of
• 40:56
  burning material and it it feeds on itself and it has to have
• 41:01
  something to feed on. You can't have a campfire
• 41:03
  without wood. You can't just say voila, voila,
• 41:06
  make fire. So there has to be fuel for the
• 41:09
  fire. And if the if the trees aren't
• 41:12
  burning, how could it travel, much less have the intensity to
• 41:17
  take out all the homes in the same absolutist total way that
• 41:21
  you're describing? So the detective runs into the
• 41:24
  wall and says, there's only so many ways this could happen.
• 41:28
  Now, someone might say, let's keep exploring this.
• 41:31
  I'm not totally satisfied with the directed energy theory.
• 41:35
  We'll just call it that. But the important thing is that
• 41:39
  this needs to be thoroughly investigated and not that it
• 41:43
  hasn't been. You've done a great job
• 41:44
  yourself, but those that are experiencing these things, those
• 41:49
  that already have unfortunately. And if, if this happens again,
• 41:53
  I've always contended that soil samples and partially burnt wood
• 41:57
  samples, partially burnt metal samples, anything remaining
• 42:02
  needs to be taken to a lab and given a very, a very complex set
• 42:07
  of testing, a lot of testing needs to go on.
• 42:10
  I'll just put that out there. And so I would just say to those
• 42:13
  sceptics that maybe kind of stop after the water crisis thing and
• 42:18
  they're hedging a little, a little bit about what they're
• 42:20
  hearing right now in this interview.
• 42:22
  The main thing is the line of inquiry.
• 42:24
  The inquiry needs to continue. Then we can all be satisfied
• 42:28
  that the evidence is is continuing to be accumulated and
• 42:32
  we'll all find out what the answers are.
• 42:34
  But a good detective at this point, based on what you know,
• 42:38
  would say directed energy cannot be taken off the table.
• 42:42
  It has to be perhaps the predominant theory or the
• 42:45
  predominant presupposition of what probably happened.
• 42:49
  But we'll keep looking. If I could also add one other
• 42:52
  point, There were trees that burned, but they were burning
• 42:56
  from the inside out and I show several pictures of that.
• 43:00
  How can a tree burn from the inside out unless there was a
• 43:04
  ZAP, a directed energy weapon that hit the ground.
• 43:08
  And as you know, water carries electricity.
• 43:10
  So the water in the ground was carrying this electromagnetic
• 43:14
  current energy fire that then goes through the roots of the
• 43:19
  tree up inside the tree and causes it to catch fire and burn
• 43:23
  from the inside out. And then the other interesting
• 43:26
  thing is no plastic garbage cans burned.
• 43:30
  So if this were a normal fire, our fire back in 1984,
• 43:34
  everything plastic burned and melted, but no plastic garbage
• 43:39
  cans burned. As you know, a microwave fire
• 43:42
  does not burn plastic, but it metal in a microwave it destroys
• 43:48
  the the microwave but but plastic does not burn.
• 43:52
  And so in my book, I show one picture after another of all the
• 43:56
  plastic garbage cans that were left standing.
• 43:59
  And a lady and her husband in Natra had a fire come that
• 44:05
  destroyed their entire home, but all their plastic lawn chairs
• 44:10
  were still there. No plastic melted.
• 44:14
  Isn't that a phenomenal thing? No, that that is uncanny because
• 44:18
  plastic would have a much lower threshold.
• 44:21
  Generally speaking, when confronted with high heat, it
• 44:25
  would be by all our normal experiences, it would be among
• 44:29
  the first things to kind of collapse upon itself.
• 44:31
  Put a lightweight plastic cup too close to a gas burner on
• 44:36
  your stove and see what happens. It just kind of, it just kind of
• 44:40
  crumples and melts and dissolves, if you will.
• 44:45
  And, And so yeah, that these are among the many anomalies and we
• 44:49
  can all put our detective caps on regardless of what level we
• 44:53
  believe, regardless of what, if we think the evidence is
• 44:56
  satisfying for directed energy or not, the main thing is to
• 45:00
  keep looking. Don't stop looking, don't stop
• 45:02
  investigating. And then we can all get
• 45:04
  together. It won't be a divisive issue in
• 45:06
  any way. And and keep finding out,
• 45:09
  peeling the onion and find out what's going on here.
• 45:12
  And if I could add just one more thing, many people believe that
• 45:16
  that is why in Lahaina, they turned off the water.
• 45:21
  And the water agent in charge said, oh, well, it's a matter of
• 45:25
  equity. And before we can allow the
• 45:28
  water to be used for everyone on the island, we must first have a
• 45:31
  discussion of equity, which was ridiculous.
• 45:35
  And the same with Los Angeles. The reservoir there that they
• 45:40
  could have dipped in to use water was totally empty.
• 45:43
  And some people believe had they tried to use that water on a on
• 45:47
  an electrical fire, people then would have been very suspicious
• 45:52
  that this was not a normal fire because the water would not put
• 45:57
  out the fire. It would just make it worse.
• 45:59
  So they just got rid of the water so no one could actually
• 46:02
  see that water tried to put out a fire.
• 46:07
  Oh, so yeah, you're saying that had they use conventional water
• 46:10
  firefighting techniques and use water just like if you look
• 46:15
  online or go to your fire department and get some public
• 46:18
  information books, you know, if you have a kitchen fire or if
• 46:21
  you have an electrical fire, do not use water.
• 46:24
  And most of us grew up knowing that that in an electrical fire
• 46:28
  you need to use some sort of special extinguisher that has a
• 46:30
  certain kind of foam. So in other words, you're saying
• 46:33
  that had there been plenty of water with which to fight fires,
• 46:37
  but had the fire been mainly electrical in nature or origin,
• 46:41
  then it would have been all the more obvious that the fire
• 46:44
  wasn't conventional? That's right, they would have
• 46:47
  known that this was like a microwave fire.
• 46:52
  That's, that's very interesting to consider for the detectives
• 46:55
  among us and we can all be good detectives here.
• 46:58
  Now looking at your Inferno Enigma book a little more
• 47:01
  closely and some some of my notes here.
• 47:03
  I've been doing a lot of reading lately and really enjoying your
• 47:06
  work about about the Maui fires in Hawaii in particular.
• 47:13
  Here's just some of the questions.
• 47:15
  Why was the power turned off in certain areas so no cell phones
• 47:18
  could be used? Why were no alarms sounded in
• 47:22
  Maui? Not even any warning from police
• 47:24
  or firemen with their bull horns, which is just, you know,
• 47:28
  that's not even electronic or maybe they have a little
• 47:31
  electronic speaker on them. What kind of brush fire burns
• 47:35
  hot enough to melt metal and glass?
• 47:36
  We've went over that. Why was there a police blockade
• 47:41
  in Maui? So no cars could leave until the
• 47:44
  cars were all, you know, seriously damaged by this
• 47:47
  paradoxical kind of fire. Why was the water turned off and
• 47:51
  the reservoir not filled, etcetera?
• 47:54
  And then of course, the grand question perhaps of them all,
• 47:57
  the actually there's two Were the fires caused by man made
• 48:01
  climate change, as the media and governors have been saying?
• 48:04
  Or could it have been something seemingly exotic like directed
• 48:09
  energy weapons? And were these planned fires?
• 48:12
  Were they done for a land grab to turn certain areas into, you
• 48:17
  might say ripe acreage for smart cities, 15 minute cities?
• 48:22
  And I talked about Rahm Emanuel and how the global cities thing
• 48:25
  works a little bit. Never let a good crisis go to
• 48:27
  waste. In other words, what were the
• 48:29
  Maui fires? The ultimate crisis to not let
• 48:33
  it go to waste. That's right.
• 48:36
  And the fact that they will not let any rebuilding go in these
• 48:40
  certain areas that had already been designated to be their
• 48:44
  smart cities in in Lahaina, they are saying that they cannot
• 48:49
  rebuild because the coastline is too unstable.
• 48:55
  How many hundreds of years had homes been on those coastlines?
• 48:58
  And they've been just fine, but suddenly they are too unstable,
• 49:01
  so no one can rebuild. And so instead, the governor has
• 49:06
  made the statement that we're not going to let foreigners or
• 49:09
  anyone else come and take over this land.
• 49:12
  We're going to take over it ourselves.
• 49:14
  So the government now owns that land and the government can then
• 49:18
  do whatever they want to do with which I believe they're going to
• 49:21
  turn that that whole area into a big smart city as they had
• 49:25
  planned. They I show a a map that they
• 49:29
  had planned this back in, in I think 2015, 2012.
• 49:36
  It's called smart. It's not smart grid.
• 49:40
  What is it? You probably have this picture
• 49:44
  of that right before you. But anyway, they, they had
• 49:50
  planned this just as they had with Santa Rosa with this
• 49:54
  certain area. And then when you go to, to to
• 50:00
  Los Angeles, they're saying the same thing that they were not
• 50:04
  allowed to rebuild along the coastline, that they need it for
• 50:09
  buffer zones. And so the governor of
• 50:13
  California and that the mayor of Los Angeles, they're all saying
• 50:18
  the same thing that they cannot rebuild.
• 50:20
  They have to have it as buffer zones.
• 50:23
  They had already planned to have this area as a big smart city as
• 50:27
  well. So this.
• 50:28
  Let me ask you this, Orlean, because this is a very revealing
• 50:33
  question and I don't want to presuppose what the answer is.
• 50:37
  Would it be an accurate statement to say that in
• 50:39
  addition to the areas you just mentioned where they're not
• 50:42
  allowing rebuilding, would it also be true about paradise?
• 50:46
  In other words, is it pretty much across the board that
• 50:49
  wherever these inexplicably uniform and totally destructive
• 50:53
  wildfires, quote unquote happened, is it pretty much true
• 50:56
  across the board that in most or at least or possibly even all of
• 51:01
  those areas, rebuilding has not been allowed?
• 51:03
  Would that be a true statement? Yes.
• 51:07
  And specifically their strategic areas that they had already
• 51:12
  designated as to be used for something else.
• 51:16
  Some people think that they wanted Paradise to be used as to
• 51:19
  bring the smart train through. And fortunately we've been able
• 51:23
  to stop that, this bullet train that the governor has been
• 51:29
  trying to push. But others think there's gold up
• 51:33
  in Paradise and they would like to develop it for her mines.
• 51:37
  And there's definitely other plans that they have for all of
• 51:41
  these cities. And what I write about in in
• 51:45
  Santa Rosa, the Coffee Park area was already planned to be their
• 51:49
  redevelopment area and they were planning all the people moving
• 51:54
  out, 1200 people leaving and selling their land because they
• 51:59
  were going to have such a hard time rebuilding.
• 52:01
  Also, the insurance companies will not usually cover the cost
• 52:05
  of rebuilding the cement foundation because that has
• 52:09
  never been necessary in fires before.
• 52:12
  So the insurance costs are so much higher and people are
• 52:15
  finding that out. But fortunately 1 sweet little
• 52:19
  lady in Coffee Park started this movement and got the people
• 52:24
  working together and loving each other so much that no one wanted
• 52:28
  to leave. And and so they did rebuild and
• 52:31
  they were rebuilt together and they would pass on really good
• 52:34
  tidbits to each other. And every Wednesday night after,
• 52:38
  as soon as the fires happened, as she's a a single mother, a
• 52:42
  teacher would get all of their neighbours together and have
• 52:45
  roast hot dogs and have wine and talk about rebuilding and giving
• 52:50
  each other encouragement. So nobody sold their property.
• 52:54
  So Santa Rosa had to figure out some other areas for their
• 52:58
  redevelopment zone. So that's one of the things I
• 53:01
  say in my book, if we can learn to work together with our
• 53:04
  neighbours and support each other, maybe we can fight this
• 53:08
  and we won't have to give up and move away.
• 53:11
  Of course, where the government has already taken over that
• 53:13
  land, as in Lahaina and parts of Los Angeles, it's going to be
• 53:19
  really hard to do that. Isn't that interesting that the
• 53:25
  most basic, the most, you know, commonplace kind of human
• 53:30
  association, getting together at the kitchen table, having some
• 53:33
  coffee, having some wine and just talking about we love our
• 53:37
  town, we love our neighbourhood, we love our homes.
• 53:39
  We're going to rebuild. And you're you're putting your
• 53:42
  foot down, but you know you're not, you're not raising any
• 53:44
  firearms. You're not, you know, you're not
• 53:47
  engaging in any kind of revolution that people would
• 53:51
  typically think of a revolution, you know, unarmed overthrow of
• 53:54
  these evil governors. You're simply wanting to live
• 53:58
  where you've always lived and enjoy it.
• 54:00
  And it it worked in that case. And possibly it, it could have
• 54:05
  worked in paradise or, or other areas.
• 54:07
  But the media, right? The media pretty much agrees
• 54:10
  with what the government is saying.
• 54:13
  You know, these are just, you know, random fires.
• 54:15
  Maybe some guy put out his cigar in the wrong place.
• 54:18
  You know, let's show Smokey the Bear on TV.
• 54:21
  This is all just conventional. Who left?
• 54:24
  Who left that campfire unattended, Right?
• 54:26
  And and yet we're supposed to believe that an unattended
• 54:29
  campfire or a, a power line that went down when it was when there
• 54:33
  was drought conditions or lightning hit, maybe dry
• 54:37
  lightning or there was a rare storm in an otherwise dry area
• 54:41
  and lightning started a fire somewhere.
• 54:43
  And that that resulted in these massive, uniformly destructive
• 54:48
  fires. It just doesn't hold water,
• 54:50
  pardon the pun, to use those kind of explanations.
• 54:54
  And you know, we have, we have different belief systems and
• 54:58
  many people believe things at different levels.
• 55:01
  But it's just really heartening from my perspective to hear that
• 55:06
  the neighbours got together in that instance and fought back in
• 55:09
  the most basic way, you know, to help each other and, and
• 55:14
  actually make a difference in that way.
• 55:17
  But anyway, the, the overall issues that we're talking about
• 55:22
  here do really beg for solutions.
• 55:26
  Do you feel at this point in time that the machinations that
• 55:35
  you've seen, the, the extreme drought, the floods tearing down
• 55:39
  the dams in the Klamath River and maybe some 76 other dams
• 55:43
  across the country, 4 dams in Klamath and, and these
• 55:47
  paradoxical fires, Plastic ought to meld and it's not the fire so
• 55:52
  uniform and uniformly destructive, suggesting at least
• 55:56
  the possibility of directed energy.
• 55:59
  Are you seeing any of this relenting?
• 56:03
  A lot of this happened between between 2015 and 2019, but
• 56:06
  there's been more recent things. Is this relenting at all?
• 56:10
  Is public awareness beginning to inspire those that might be
• 56:15
  engineering these things to to maybe back off a little?
• 56:19
  Or are they just sharpening their knives quietly and this
• 56:22
  might come around again? Or is it not relenting at all?
• 56:25
  What what's what's the reality right now?
• 56:28
  I do think because of so many podcasts popping up and people
• 56:33
  having their own ability to talk about these things, I think
• 56:37
  people are becoming more aware. There's a a lady in Southern
• 56:41
  California who started her own website and she's been speaking
• 56:48
  about this and, and lots, I think over 100 different podcast
• 56:56
  editions. And she definitely believes that
• 56:59
  these are directed energy weapons and is very forthright
• 57:03
  about talking about it. Her name is Peggy Hall and I do
• 57:08
  quote her in my book. She gives 10 facts that are
• 57:13
  similar with every single fire that could not make any sense if
• 57:17
  they were not coming from DDEWSS dues.
• 57:22
  And then there are other, there's a couple that started a
• 57:25
  website, they talk about it as well.
• 57:28
  So I think more and more people are listening and becoming
• 57:31
  aware. It's just how do you stop this
• 57:35
  from happening? As we mentioned, there are some
• 57:38
  states that are passing laws against chemtrails.
• 57:42
  Maybe they could also, if they believe that, maybe they could
• 57:46
  also believe there are such things as fires started by
• 57:49
  Direct Energy weapons. Maybe they could pass laws
• 57:52
  against that. But we do need to become more
• 57:55
  aware and we need to have the courage to speak out, even if
• 57:58
  it's on a subject that is not very popular.
• 58:03
  I'm sure the whole subject, you know, we, we tend to grow up
• 58:06
  thinking that our government loves us and we kind of think of
• 58:09
  them as parents, that they have our best interests in heart at
• 58:14
  heart. But if you find out things like
• 58:16
  this, you wonder what on earth has gone going on.
• 58:19
  And I do believe all of this is part of Agenda 21, Agenda 2030.
• 58:24
  And in my book, at the very end, I mention the Fabian Society in
• 58:29
  England and how much power they've had over the government
• 58:35
  in England. And very influential people
• 58:38
  belong to it, former prime ministers.
• 58:42
  And they have this stained glass window where they show the
• 58:46
  founders of the Fabian Society all hammering.
• 58:50
  Well, two of them hammering on the earth and one of them
• 58:53
  blowing the the bellows to heat up the earth.
• 58:57
  And, and I thought, is that what they thought by by these fires
• 59:03
  heating up the earth that can actually cause amazing changes.
• 59:06
  And that's what their motto is to remould the earth according
• 59:10
  to our heart's desire. That's at the top of their
• 59:13
  stained glass window. Are they trying to remould the
• 59:17
  earth through these fires to bring about their heart's
• 59:20
  desire, which is pure socialism, communism, and more and more
• 59:24
  control? And I, I truly believe that
• 59:26
  that's part of it. That's the whole purpose behind
• 59:29
  the United Nations and their agendas is total control of our
• 59:34
  lives. And they're very happy to tell
• 59:36
  you about that. And the big thick book that they
• 59:40
  published about Agenda 21, they mentioned that it's all about
• 59:44
  control. They want to control our the air
• 59:47
  we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the clothes we
• 59:50
  wear, our transportation. And by using the myth of climate
• 59:54
  change, they can constantly make us so afraid that we're using
• 59:59
  too much carbon and and that we've got to get rid of our
• 1:00:05
  carbon dioxide and we have to have even the control of our
• 1:00:10
  lives to carbon credits on our our little.
• 1:00:15
  Credit cards. And if we do use up too many
• 1:00:18
  carbon credits, we will not be able to go shopping.
• 1:00:21
  We'll not be able to buy what we need.
• 1:00:23
  And also, if there's social credit score, like in China, if
• 1:00:27
  you are not a good citizen, if you dare to speak out against
• 1:00:30
  the government like I'm doing right now, or expose these
• 1:00:34
  things, then your credits will be taken away on your social
• 1:00:38
  credit score, on your credit card and you won't be able to go
• 1:00:41
  shopping or buy what you need. So this is all about control.
• 1:00:45
  And the more you investigate it, the more you've realised that's
• 1:00:49
  that's the answer. And big governments like to
• 1:00:52
  control their citizens. And that's what socialism,
• 1:00:55
  communism is all about. And we would like to keep our
• 1:00:58
  freedoms in our nation as long as we possibly can.
• 1:01:01
  That's what has made our nation the great country it is.
• 1:01:04
  And it's so sad to see these freedoms being taken away and
• 1:01:10
  that's. You know, I'm, I'm reminded
• 1:01:12
  Orlean, I'm reminded I, I happen to watch a lot of westerns.
• 1:01:17
  I watch mostly older TV shows when I watch TV at all.
• 1:01:20
  And in a lot of the westerns, the there's some sort of
• 1:01:25
  malefact or some sort of dark character or maybe a group of
• 1:01:29
  them, and they might burn down a town or a village or they might
• 1:01:34
  run some Indians off their land. And I think a lot of people
• 1:01:37
  mistakenly believe they were just being mean to the Indians.
• 1:01:40
  But in many of the themes, and, you know, art imitates life,
• 1:01:43
  oftentimes many of the themes of these Westerns, the guys doing
• 1:01:47
  The Dirty work are working for some kind of guys in suit
• 1:01:50
  smoking cigars in a smoky room somewhere.
• 1:01:53
  And they're clearing the land for a railroad.
• 1:01:55
  They're clearing a land to drill oil.
• 1:01:57
  They're clearing the land to mine minerals.
• 1:02:00
  And in the more sophisticated scenarios and some of these
• 1:02:04
  dramas, they're they're devaluing the land so the
• 1:02:08
  governors with their cigars and their buddies in government can
• 1:02:11
  get the land on the cheap. And so it's nothing new and it's
• 1:02:16
  been recorded both in fictional format and non fictional format.
• 1:02:20
  And often times fiction imitates non fiction.
• 1:02:23
  You know, there's a there's a cross pollination there.
• 1:02:27
  It's nothing new for brigands and and pirates wearing three
• 1:02:31
  piece suits to go in, get their kneecappers, send in the guys
• 1:02:36
  that do The Dirty work, devalue land, get the minerals, get the
• 1:02:39
  gold. You mentioned gold possibly
• 1:02:42
  being a factor, which sounds like something out of the past,
• 1:02:45
  right? But so it, it shouldn't be
• 1:02:48
  surprising to any of us, particularly when you look at
• 1:02:51
  the history of the American West, that dark forces and, and
• 1:02:57
  manufacturers and mountabanks and things like that.
• 1:03:03
  You know, people with with very, very deep agendas are going
• 1:03:06
  after natural resources or land and they want to play dirty.
• 1:03:11
  And so, so the only question remains is how sophisticated do
• 1:03:16
  they want to get and just how down and dirty do they want to
• 1:03:19
  get? And so are we seeing, and I'm
• 1:03:21
  only putting it in the form of a question, are we seeing that
• 1:03:25
  Wild West mentality now with high technology, which
• 1:03:28
  yesteryear was done with, you know, guns and cannon maybe and
• 1:03:33
  fire, but now it's it's simply more sophisticated.
• 1:03:36
  But we're simply seeing the more that things change, the more
• 1:03:39
  they stay the same. They're just using different
• 1:03:41
  tools. Could it be true?
• 1:03:43
  And I I did want to mention one of the other thing I in my
• 1:03:48
  investigation of the fires in Texas and Canada.
• 1:03:53
  So at one time, and that's why I wrote that big huge bat book.
• 1:03:58
  I mean, get a copy of it. Anyway, I think it's behind me,
• 1:04:03
  but oh, here it is. That's OK.
• 1:04:04
  So. So this one.
• 1:04:07
  Oh, OK, that's fine. By stealth and deception, USA
• 1:04:10
  transformation. And it's parallel to the to the
• 1:04:14
  European Union. When I wrote that, they were
• 1:04:16
  trying to push through a transatlantic corridor that
• 1:04:21
  would cross from Canada all the way down through the United
• 1:04:24
  States, through Mexico, all the way to Panama.
• 1:04:28
  And Phyllis Schlafly, the lady that started Eagle for him, got
• 1:04:32
  wind of it and started writing about it.
• 1:04:34
  She had a syndicated column and at that time it was just called
• 1:04:38
  Security and and Prosperity Partnership.
• 1:04:42
  But they were just like the Common Market.
• 1:04:44
  The European Common Market was morphed into the European Union.
• 1:04:49
  This security prosperity partnership was a trade
• 1:04:52
  agreement between Canada, the United States and Mexico.
• 1:04:56
  And they were going to slowly morph it into this North
• 1:04:59
  American Union because she got wind of it and started writing
• 1:05:02
  about it. And then other people joined the
• 1:05:05
  battle, like Lou Dobbs started talking about it on his
• 1:05:07
  television show. They've had to backtrack and but
• 1:05:11
  part of the plan was to have a huge transatlantic, well, NAFTA
• 1:05:16
  superhighway because NAFTA was behind this, pushing it.
• 1:05:19
  And so that kind of came to a screeching halt.
• 1:05:23
  The NAFTA superhighway was supposed to start in Texas,
• 1:05:26
  going right through the centre of Texas, through some cities
• 1:05:30
  and areas that they would have had to totally transform and get
• 1:05:34
  rid of. And so that came to a halt.
• 1:05:38
  Well, these new fires that started in the Panhandle,
• 1:05:43
  there's a new plan now. It's no longer called the Trans
• 1:05:46
  Texas corridor. It's now called the Ports 2
• 1:05:50
  Plains corridor. And it's going through a part of
• 1:05:54
  the north part of the Trans, the northern part of Texas, the
• 1:05:59
  Panhandle where the the farmers were more and they wouldn't have
• 1:06:04
  to go through major cities that was not going to be so wide.
• 1:06:08
  But I truly believe that this plan is continuing on.
• 1:06:11
  And Joe Biden signed this into law on in the year 2022.
• 1:06:18
  And 200 other organisations even elected congressman were
• 1:06:24
  supporting this. So this is the new plan.
• 1:06:28
  It's called Ports 2 planes and it will be I-21 now instead of
• 1:06:35
  what it was be going to be before going through the the
• 1:06:38
  Panhandle of of Texas on through all the way on the way up to
• 1:06:44
  Canada and Canada in the meantime was all beings also
• 1:06:48
  being transformed with all of their fires.
• 1:06:51
  So that area is now open for their corridors to be built.
• 1:06:56
  So I think that's another sneaky part of this that most people
• 1:06:59
  are not talking about. And then the trans, the new
• 1:07:03
  Texas corridor will go all the way through Mexico, down through
• 1:07:08
  all the way to the city of Panama.
• 1:07:13
  And that's where China gets in. China has always wanted to
• 1:07:18
  control the Panama Canal. And they were actually building
• 1:07:21
  a bridge to go over the the canal to make this this whole
• 1:07:26
  transportation corridor even easier than it would go across
• 1:07:31
  Panama on through South America. And as you know, some of us
• 1:07:35
  believe they've been trying to have a one world government for
• 1:07:38
  the longest time. And having this, all these
• 1:07:41
  countries connected through their corridors and their
• 1:07:44
  trading makes it so much easier. And, and when you notice the
• 1:07:47
  maps of all of this, there are no boundaries.
• 1:07:50
  All the borders are gone. And I show those maps in my
• 1:07:53
  book. So anyway, I believe that is
• 1:07:56
  what the Canadian fires and the Texas fires were all about as
• 1:08:00
  well. And so many poor innocent little
• 1:08:02
  farmers were wiped out. And those fires, all their
• 1:08:05
  cattle were killed. Their entire cattle industry
• 1:08:08
  has, has gone. And it's it's very sad that
• 1:08:12
  these evil people don't mind destroying lives, destroying
• 1:08:17
  animals and destroying property to fulfil their dreams.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah, there's, there's a lot to unpack there.
• 1:08:25
  We can begin to summarise. I did cover the Trans Texas
• 1:08:28
  corridor in fairly recent years and I'm familiar with this
• 1:08:32
  transnational nature of the corridor.
• 1:08:35
  And even now, you see, if you drive north, it'll say future
• 1:08:39
  trade corridor to that effect, and it'll show 69 Hwy 69, where
• 1:08:45
  69 doesn't yet exist, but it exists further north.
• 1:08:49
  So it suggests that there'll be a connection made.
• 1:08:52
  And then there's a highway that goes out of Little Rock, AR and
• 1:08:56
  it goes northeast toward 57, a major highway that goes through
• 1:09:00
  Illinois into Missouri, suggesting that that secondary
• 1:09:04
  highway in northeast Arkansas will eventually become part of
• 1:09:09
  Interstate 57. So there's a lot going on there.
• 1:09:14
  And, and it really takes a lot of effort to make it part of 57.
• 1:09:18
  So they're really going out of their way to to make that
• 1:09:21
  happen. A lot of expense and it takes a
• 1:09:23
  lot of time. One thing I will say is what
• 1:09:26
  you're describing there appears to be going quite slowly.
• 1:09:29
  I think they've been running into some roadblocks there
• 1:09:32
  because I drive that way a lot and I don't think they're going
• 1:09:35
  as fast as they'd like to. So there's a little bit of good
• 1:09:38
  news there. I agree.
• 1:09:40
  I think there's some really smart Texans that find out about
• 1:09:43
  it. One of those is Margaret and Dan
• 1:09:45
  Byfield that head up the American Stewards of Liberty.
• 1:09:50
  They live in Texas and they've been, they fought the Trans
• 1:09:53
  Texas corridor early on and they're the ones that actually
• 1:09:56
  told me about the bridge that China's building.
• 1:10:01
  Yeah, there's also a Terry, Terry Hall who runs the turf
• 1:10:05
  group Texas United for Reform and Freedom.
• 1:10:08
  My. First book.
• 1:10:09
  That's right. Yes, yeah, Terry.
• 1:10:12
  Terry is a lot like yourself, just a undefeatable, you know,
• 1:10:16
  untiring activist Terry Hall and yourself and the other person
• 1:10:21
  that you mentioned there. Anyway, as we kind of wind up
• 1:10:24
  today, Orlean, this is all very interesting.
• 1:10:27
  Those watching this interview of course can believe things at
• 1:10:31
  whatever level they want. But the main thing is we all
• 1:10:34
  have to keep our eyes and ears open and keep investigating and
• 1:10:38
  keep an open mind and find out what the ultimate causes are.
• 1:10:42
  Because this is all whatever technologies are being employed,
• 1:10:46
  whatever exactly is being done, this is all going in a direction
• 1:10:49
  that doesn't look good and so far has shown little else than
• 1:10:53
  destruction and total tragedy in many cases.
• 1:10:59
  And, and so if history is our teacher, so far we're not seeing
• 1:11:03
  anything good come out of this. We're seeing that the maybe the
• 1:11:07
  old warning or the the announcement of your Many years
• 1:11:12
  ago in Popular Mechanics, there was an article where the
• 1:11:15
  military claimed it would control the weather by 2025, the
• 1:11:18
  year 2025. That was an article in Popular
• 1:11:21
  Mechanics and perhaps that's what has been unfolding.
• 1:11:27
  Maybe, maybe not. But in in different degrees at
• 1:11:31
  different levels, that appears to be the case.
• 1:11:33
  There's a guy named James Lee or Jim Lee that runs
• 1:11:36
  climateviewer.com and Climate viewer.org.
• 1:11:39
  I believe those websites are still up.
• 1:11:41
  He's got some insights into all of this and the history of
• 1:11:45
  weather modification, which believe it or not, goes back
• 1:11:48
  more than 100 years, the very first attempts at at modifying
• 1:11:52
  the weather. And anyway, Orlean, what are
• 1:11:57
  what are the main websites where people can look up your work and
• 1:12:00
  read it and decide for themselves?
• 1:12:03
  So you can find all of my books on Books for truth.com and then
• 1:12:09
  also the National Eagle Forum carries my books.
• 1:12:12
  So you go to eagleforum.org and just look under books and you'll
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  see my name. And then some of my books are
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  actually on Amazon. And I, I decided early on that
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  it was kind of more beneficial to be my own publisher.
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  So I, I published my own books now and what's so nice, I can
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  then update them whenever I want to.
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  When you go with a professional publisher, that's not possible,
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  but you can find my really large one by stealth interception on
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  Amazon. I've.
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  Also mentioned that. Islam pardon.
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  I wanted to mention that that's important that you use your
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  books in a very journalistic way.
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  When it's time for a new headline or an update, you do it
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  generally speaking. And that's very important.
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  People are not getting something that's just cemented in stone
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  never to be touched again. They're getting an ongoing
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  compendium and ongoing accounting chronicling what's
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  happening. And that's what's really
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  important about your work. And as you say, self publishing
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  is the key to that. I.
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  Was able to add the chapter about the Klamath dams coming
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  down, my book about the water crisis.
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  I was always warning people how terrible this would be if they
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  did come down. And now I've been able to add
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  that yes, everything had had been prophesied about that came
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  true and what a disaster it is. So I do try to keep them up to
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  date, especially on something as important as that.
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  Indeed, the final statement I'll make and then we'll we'll get
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  off the high, We'll get off the Texas superhighway here is that
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  it seems to me that if you were someone wanting to carry out
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  these agendas, and I'm just kind of doing a hypothetical here
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  that you would engineer the climate to change.
• 1:14:04
  You would change the climate in these more deep seated high tech
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  ways. But then you'd blame it on
• 1:14:12
  random climate change that they attribute to everything from Cal
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  flatulence to your your charcoal grill to the very automobile you
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  drive. So change the climate.
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  Yeah. They tried to blame the Maui
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  fire on a hurricane that was 500 miles away.
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  Oh my goodness. Yeah, it.
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  Came from that, but they'll blame it on anything but the
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  truth. Yeah, so.
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  So by deliberately changing things, let's say hypothetically
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  speaking, then you can blame it on the other thing and try and
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  give that theory more credibility because it's the
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  passive climate change, if you will, not the more deliberate
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  engineering one, but the passive one.
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  That's the one they use or cite, CITE site to justify Agenda 2030
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  and beyond. So if you're, if you're Sauron
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  in Lord of the Rings, you know, you're the guy with the the ring
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  and you're the ultimate source of the evil.
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  That conceivably is the kind of scenario that you'd want to put
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  together. That's very good.
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  I love that movie. We've seen it about 20 times.
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  Yeah, you. Definitely, you definitely like
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  it if you've seen it that many times, Orlean, if you have any
• 1:15:30
  final statements. Otherwise, it's been very
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  enjoyable, you know, ferreting this out and getting this out in
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  the open and sorting it out as best we can.
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  Do you have any final thoughts? Well, I just would like to thank
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  you, Mark. It's been a pleasure to be here
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  with you. And my final thoughts are for
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  anyone listening to this, just how important freedom is.
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  And we have to to stick by our actions and whatever we can
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  possibly do to preserve our freedom.
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  As Ronald Reagan said, it's a very vanishing thing.
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  If we do not especially want to preserve it for the next
• 1:16:09
  generation, we shouldn't take it for granted.
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  And I know right now in the UK, the poor people there do not
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  have their freedom of speech anymore.
• 1:16:18
  If they dare to write anything on social media about how they
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  feel. It's terrible that so many
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  Muslims are in the country, they can actually be arrested and
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  that freedom of speech could vanish here as well if we don't
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  diligently try to protect it. So I'm very happy that an
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  organisation like this, UK forum Begin exists, the UK column, and
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  thankful for all the writers and people like you, Mark Anderson,
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  for being part of it and trying to express the truth and get it
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  out to everyone listening. Thank you, Arlene, for those
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  kind words. Well, everyone, you've been
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  listening to my second UK column interview for 2026, Orlene
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  Curla. Thank you, Orlene.
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  You're welcome. My pleasure.