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Biden’s in His Jacked-Up Joe Era · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Levitt. I'm Tommy Detour.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Donald Trump kicks off the general election
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  Speaker 1: by mocking Joe Biden's stutter, hosting a concert for Viktor Orban.
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  Speaker 1: and floating cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Alabama Senator
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  Speaker 1: Katie Britt and Republicans are still dealing with the fallout
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  Speaker 1: from what may have been the worst ever State of
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  Speaker 1: the Union response. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: And later, take appreciator, it's back. And so is Elijah.
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  Speaker 1: But first, the man Sean Hannity now calls Jacked Up
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  Speaker 1: Joe has kicked his re-election effort into high gear. Team
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  Speaker 1: Biden raised $ 10 million in the first 24 hours after
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  Speaker 1: the State of the Union. That's the... Most they've raised
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  Speaker 1: all cycle and one 24-hour period. Since then, the president
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  Speaker 1: has been on a campaign swing that includes Pennsylvania, Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Biden's out there talking about
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  Speaker 1: his second term economic agenda, a newly released 2025 budget
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  Speaker 1: that's focused on lowering costs and taxing the rich. And
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  Speaker 1: the campaign has launched a $ 30 million ad buy in
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  Speaker 1: the battleground states that begins with this new ad. Let's listen.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm not a young guy.
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  Speaker 1: That's no secret. But here's the deal.
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  Speaker 3: I understand how to get things done for the American people.
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  Speaker 3: I led the country through the COVID crisis. Today, we
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  Speaker 3: have the strongest economy in the world. I passed a
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  Speaker 3: law that lowers prescription drug prices, caps insulin at $ 35
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  Speaker 3: a month for seniors. For four years, Donald Trump tried
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  Speaker 3: to pass an infrastructure law, and he failed. I got
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  Speaker 3: it done. Now we're rebuilding America. I passed the biggest
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  Speaker 3: law in history to combat climate change, because our future
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  Speaker 3: depends on Donald Trump took away the freedom of women
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  Speaker 3: to choose. I'm determined to make Roe v. Wade the
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  Speaker 3: law of the land again. Donald Trump believes the job
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  Speaker 3: of the president is to take care of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I believe the job of the president is to fight
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  Speaker 3: for you, the American people, and that's what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Joe Biden, and I approve this message.
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  Speaker 4: Can we do one more take?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm very young.
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  Speaker 2: Energetic, and handsome.
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  Speaker 3: What the hell am I doing this for?
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  Speaker 1: Funny.
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  Speaker 2: It was great.
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  Speaker 1: I liked it. I really liked it. Also, he somehow
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  Speaker 1: looks younger in the ad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks great. He looks great. Snapchat filter. Everyone's
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  Speaker 2: a while there.
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  Speaker 5: He gets fucking sandblasted in Tanner and he looks awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I also like the little score.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. Classic.
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  Speaker 6: Uplifting.
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  Speaker 1: Classic opening campaign ad score right there. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: the campaign's begun. What did you guys think overall of
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  Speaker 1: the ad and sort of the overall post-SOTU rollout?
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  Speaker 2: That's how I was thinking about it. I just had
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  Speaker 2: this sense of relief.
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  Speaker 1: You and Ezra Klein. Ezra's back.
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  Speaker 2: Ezra's back. Got Ezra back. Got Ezra back. That's a relief.
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  Speaker 2: Can't have him out there giving us ideas.
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  Speaker 7: Worried.
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  Speaker 2: Give us ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Called himself a weak-knee pundit. Did he?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't caught up on the vicissitudes of Ezra's Biden.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I cut you off. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's how I felt. It was like.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we've been saying it. A lot of people
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  Speaker 5: have been saying it like we want to see Biden
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  Speaker 5: out there. The Biden campaign has been saying he will be.
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  Speaker 5: The campaign is about to begin and now it has.
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  Speaker 5: And the past like 72 hours, you've seen a ton
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  Speaker 5: of back and forth between Trump and Biden on his
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  Speaker 5: affinity for dictators, on Trump's being open to cutting Medicare
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  Speaker 5: and Social Security.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like these are all really good fights.
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  Speaker 5: And I think four days of stories about how energetic
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  Speaker 5: and on top of the shit Biden seemed was a very,
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  Speaker 5: very good couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if your opponents go from calling you too old
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  Speaker 2: to saying you're using drugs, that's probably good. Hey, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Jacked up Joe, I'd make t-shirts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too. I like jacked up Joe. Also,
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  Speaker 2: most people won't think that's a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like you've been lifting weights. I like that
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  Speaker 2: it took the age, I like that his ad took
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  Speaker 2: the age issue.
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  Speaker 1: Head on and it was funny.
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  Speaker 2: I think they walked through his accomplishments in a way
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  Speaker 2: that was not defensive, but talked about some of the
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  Speaker 2: bills they passed, but also contrasted Trump like, oh, he
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  Speaker 2: tried to get infrastructure done.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: The real value I think will come from these swing
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  Speaker 2: state visits. I imagine the White House wasn't, Totally thrilled
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  Speaker 2: with what spun out of the MSNBC interview with Jonathan Capehart,
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  Speaker 2: which we can get into.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that, pretty good. Yeah, no, I'm always
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  Speaker 1: interested in how they decide what to put in these ads, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because making an ad is extremely difficult, 30 seconds, or
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  Speaker 1: in this case, it was 60 seconds. I found it
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  Speaker 1: interesting that they chose infrastructure. And I think they did
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  Speaker 1: that as a proof point around effectiveness, right? not just
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  Speaker 1: because it's popular that he passed an infrastructure bill that's
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  Speaker 1: creating a lot of jobs, but Biden got it done,
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  Speaker 1: Trump didn't. I do think they're trying to sort of
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  Speaker 1: litigate the, here's what Trump did as president, here's what
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  Speaker 1: I did, which is good. And I think it's good
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  Speaker 1: for now because memories need to be refreshed. I do
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  Speaker 1: hope that soon they'll pivot to what I'll do versus
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  Speaker 1: what he'll do. But I think at the beginning, at
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  Speaker 1: the campaign, you've got to remind people both what Trump
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  Speaker 1: did and also What the year 2020 was like since
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  Speaker 1: Trump continues to want us to remember what life was
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  Speaker 1: like four years ago. And four years ago today, everything
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  Speaker 1: was shutting down around the country.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my sort of on the ad that
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  Speaker 5: it goes at age directly. Then it does a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of record, but use it for contrast. And then
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  Speaker 5: it lands on I'm out for you. Trump's out for himself.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm hot.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm hot.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm hot as hell.
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  Speaker 1: Super hot. And I'm funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm funny. Funny and fuckable.
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  Speaker 5: Joe Biden 2024.
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  Speaker 1: Another good T-shirt. Let's get this in the crooked store
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  Speaker 1: before the Biden campaign.
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  Speaker 2: No bad ideas in a brainstorm.
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  Speaker 1: I also, you know, the budget came out today. It's
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  Speaker 1: never going to pass. But everyone puts a budget out
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  Speaker 1: as their their ideal.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And especially important in a reelection campaign because it's going
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  Speaker 1: to it's basically takes the place of what basically it
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  Speaker 1: doubles as Biden's second term agenda. Heavily focused on costs.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about housing costs today, which I thought was great.
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  Speaker 1: Housing is the biggest cost people face. It comes up
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  Speaker 1: in every single focus group across every demographic, and yet
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  Speaker 1: it's not a big part of the national political debate.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's great to see Biden talking about housing
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  Speaker 1: costs in this campaign. He's talking about giving mortgage relief
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  Speaker 1: to people, saving people thousands of dollars. So I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was great as well. Tommy mentioned the MSNBC interview.
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  Speaker 1: He sat down with Jonathan Capehart. In that interview, he
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  Speaker 1: doubled down on his criticism of the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision.
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  Speaker 1: He said he wished he used a different word, other
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  Speaker 1: than illegals, to describe undocumented immigrants in his State of
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  Speaker 1: the Union speech. And he answered plenty of questions about Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 9: What is your red line with Prime Minister Netanyahu? Do
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  Speaker 9: you have a red line? For instance, would invasion of Rafah,
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  Speaker 9: which you have urged him not to do, would that
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  Speaker 9: be a red line?
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  Speaker 3: It is a red line, but I'm never going to
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  Speaker 3: leave Israel. The defense of Israel is still critical. So
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  Speaker 3: There's no red line, I'm going to cut off all
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  Speaker 3: weapons so they don't have the Iron Dome to protect them.
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  Speaker 3: But there's red lines that if he crosses, he cannot
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  Speaker 3: have 30,000 more Palestinians dead as a consequence of going after.
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  Speaker 3: There's other ways to deal, to get to, to deal
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  Speaker 3: with the trauma caused by Hamas. He has a right
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  Speaker 3: to defend Israel, a right to continue to pursue Hamas.
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  Speaker 3: But he must, he must, he must pay more attention
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  Speaker 3: to the innocent lives being lost as a consequence of
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  Speaker 3: the actions taken. He's hurting, in my view, he's hurting
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  Speaker 3: Israel more than helping Israel by making the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the world, it's contrary to what Israel stands for.
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  Speaker 1: So in response, Bibi told Politico, as one does, that
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  Speaker 1: he still intends to move into Rafah. He thinks Biden
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  Speaker 1: is wrong and rejects any attempt to, quote, ram down
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  Speaker 1: our throats, a Palestinian state. So what now, Tommy? Where
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  Speaker 1: does that leave Biden?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it leaves the U.S. and Israel in totally
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  Speaker 2: different places, both in terms of near-term military strategy and
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  Speaker 2: long-term political goals. And it's very bad. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't be further apart. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: any leader that faced an attack like October 7th would
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  Speaker 2: have responded with a military response. Rockets were still being fired.
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  Speaker 2: There were hostages being held. But five months later, even
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  Speaker 2: Bibi Netanyahu in that Politico interview said, admits that at
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  Speaker 2: least 26,000 people have been killed and at least half
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  Speaker 2: of them are civilians. Now, I suspect the number is
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  Speaker 2: much higher. The number of civilians killed is much higher.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we have any idea how many people
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  Speaker 2: are trapped in rubble. But it's this catastrophic humanitarian situation.
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  Speaker 2: And now Netanyahu is threatening to go into Rafah, where 1.4
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  Speaker 2: million people are sheltering. But that's also where all the
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  Speaker 2: aid crosses into Gaza. So you have people starving to
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  Speaker 2: death because the Israeli government will not allow insufficient aid.
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  Speaker 2: If the rest of the trucks that are getting in,
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  Speaker 2: like the 100 trucks a day that are getting in
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  Speaker 2: are blocked because of some big military campaign, you'll see
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  Speaker 2: mass starvation. Airdrops cannot solve that. This new seaport that
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  Speaker 2: Biden talked about is months away from being created. So
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  Speaker 2: that's the near-term challenge. Longer term, even the Israeli military
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  Speaker 2: thinks that Hamas survives this war. They're going to be
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  Speaker 2: a guerrilla group or a terrorist organization. You also cannot
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  Speaker 2: kill the idea of Hamas, the resistance to occupation anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And that won't go away until there's a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 2: So Netanyahu is ruling out talks. He's ruling out a
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  Speaker 2: two-state solution. That means people are going to look to
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  Speaker 2: armed groups like Hamas. So they're just not aligned on anything.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that will continue to be the case
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  Speaker 2: unless the Biden administration says there will be consequences if
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  Speaker 2: you do these things that we don't want you to do,
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  Speaker 2: like invade Rafah, like reject a two-state solution. But thus far,
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  Speaker 2: Biden has been very hesitant to do that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw a There's a Politico story just before
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  Speaker 1: we started recording that the Biden administration has a couple
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  Speaker 1: of senior officials on background saying that Biden will consider
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  Speaker 1: conditioning aid if Bibi goes ahead and moves into Rafah.
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  Speaker 1: Which is too late.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say that.
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  Speaker 2: Way too late.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then it said that like, then an Israeli military
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  Speaker 1: sources said, oh, it's not imminent, the moving into Rafah
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 5: It's also just, there's a strange sort of, not complacency,
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  Speaker 5: but sort of like like the tone of an observer
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  Speaker 5: of this situation.
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  Speaker 2: It's fatalistic.
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  Speaker 5: And just as, look, the announcement in the State of
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  Speaker 5: the Union that we are going to begin the building
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  Speaker 5: of a pier off of Gaza, as someone who has no,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm not in any way expert in any of
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  Speaker 5: the logistics or realities of what it is like to
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  Speaker 5: try to get aid into this place, but the idea
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  Speaker 5: that we have so few levers to gain access to
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  Speaker 5: this place, that we are forced to build something in
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  Speaker 5: the waters off the coast as if we are dealing
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  Speaker 5: with the Soviet Union in the height of the Cold
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  Speaker 5: War or dropping it from the sky as if we
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  Speaker 5: are not trying to get around, not an enemy, but
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  Speaker 5: supposedly one of our great allies to try to help
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  Speaker 5: these people who are, by the way, committing atrocities with
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  Speaker 5: weapons we supplied. I just, it makes us look weak.
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  Speaker 5: It makes Biden look weak. And forget, you know, on
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  Speaker 5: top of the fact that he says in this interview,
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  Speaker 5: my red line is another 30,000 dead, which to me,
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  Speaker 5: like sounds cavalier. And then the fact that you then
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  Speaker 5: hear reports that he's saying, oh, he's going to have that. Oh, quietly,
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  Speaker 5: he says, you know, caught off mic. Oh, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to have a come to Jesus moment.
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  Speaker 2: When?
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  Speaker 5: The time for the time to come to Jesus was
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  Speaker 5: weeks ago, was months ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just asked again just now about, have
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  Speaker 1: you scheduled to come to Jesus' meeting? And he said no. Which,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you were saying that it's obviously too late
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  Speaker 1: to condition aid after they move into RAFA. What's the
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  Speaker 1: ideal outcome, like right from what Biden said right now?
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  Speaker 1: If Biden suddenly was like, you know what? No, I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: This is bad. I'm going to actually do something and
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  Speaker 1: not just be an observer.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think what you want to get to
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  Speaker 2: is a negotiated ceasefire that It's probably going to end
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  Speaker 2: up being longer than six weeks, which is what the
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  Speaker 2: Israelis want. The Israelis want a shorter ceasefire in exchange
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  Speaker 2: for 40 hostages and sort of a phased process. I
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  Speaker 2: think what President Biden should demand is a permanent ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: a full hostage release, and then you go from there. Netanyahu,
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  Speaker 2: the challenge here is that Netanyahu knows that he is
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  Speaker 2: clinging to power for as long as this military conflict
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  Speaker 2: is happening. He is deeply unpopular. He is facing prosecution
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  Speaker 2: for all kinds of corruption schemes and alleged crimes. And
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  Speaker 2: he knows that his coalition could fall apart at any
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  Speaker 2: moment and then he'll be out of power. He is
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  Speaker 2: very unlikely to get reelected in that case. And then
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  Speaker 2: we'll just have to face legal accountability for all these
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  Speaker 2: things he's done. So he has an incentive to prolong
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  Speaker 2: this war, to drag this out and to keep this
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  Speaker 2: sort of like emergency coalition going. that is leading the
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  Speaker 2: war effort. And he also wants Donald Trump to be president.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just be honest about it. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And Donald Trump, who said, you got to let them
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  Speaker 1: finish the job in Gaza.
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  Speaker 5: Can I make one more point about this too, which
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  Speaker 5: is very clearly there is, Joe Biden personally views his
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  Speaker 5: responsibility as what he is going to try to get
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  Speaker 5: done behind the scenes versus what he says publicly. Even
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  Speaker 5: if you accept that, which Tommy doesn't, I don't, there
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  Speaker 5: is still space to be, I think, more at least rhetorically,
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  Speaker 5: in defense of the rights of Palestinian people. When Bibi
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  Speaker 5: says we will not have a Palestinian state shoved down
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  Speaker 5: our throat, even if you're not willing to draw red
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  Speaker 5: lines publicly, even if you're not willing to push Bibi
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  Speaker 5: harder publicly, I would like to see an American president
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  Speaker 5: say a Palestinian state is not something that is bestowed
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  Speaker 5: by the prime minister of Israel because we believe in
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  Speaker 5: the inalienable rights of these people and that having a state,
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  Speaker 5: having self-determination isn't something granted by others. It is something
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  Speaker 5: that belongs to them regardless of who is standing in
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  Speaker 5: the way or the obstacles that stand in the way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's longstanding U.S. policy that we should have
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  Speaker 2: a negotiated solution that leads to a two different Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 2: And I like your point about the rhetoric use and
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  Speaker 2: the emphasis. Again, like Kamala Harris gave a speech a
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  Speaker 2: couple weeks ago now where she talked about a ceasefire
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  Speaker 2: and made it sound like a demand. And it was
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  Speaker 2: commanding and authoritative. And she's, you know, centers the humanity
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  Speaker 2: of the Palestinian people. And it lands differently. You know,
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  Speaker 2: she got cheered at this event where Biden's getting booed.
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  Speaker 2: Cheered and cheered. Same policy.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 2: The same policy.
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  Speaker 5: Cheered for just laying out the moral stakes of the
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  Speaker 5: same policy and what they're trying to get done.
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  Speaker 1: We know Biden can get feisty and angry. We've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard it. And so it would be really great
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  Speaker 1: to see that with Bibi.
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  Speaker 2: And Bibi Netanyahu is a great person to get feisty at.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say this is not. Because he's
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  Speaker 2: a corrupt, racist, terrible leader who's harming his country. And
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  Speaker 2: he's built a coalition off of people.
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  Speaker 5: Who are extremists. And Biden draws distinction in that interview.
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  Speaker 5: between what he views as the interest of Israel and
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  Speaker 5: what Benjamin Netanyahu is doing. And he should be drawing
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  Speaker 5: more of a distinction between the prerogatives of one terrible
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  Speaker 5: leader and what he believes in the best interest of
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  Speaker 5: that state for everybody who believes in the right of
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  Speaker 5: Israel to exist.
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  Speaker 1: So Trump also campaigned in Georgia over the weekend where
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: he attacked Biden's State of the Union as an angry, dark,
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  Speaker 1: hate-filled rant before delivering one of his own. Here's what
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  Speaker 1: you missed.
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  Speaker 8: Two nights ago, we all heard Crooked Joe's angry, dark,
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  Speaker 8: hate-filled rant of.
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  Speaker 3: A State of the Union address.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't it? Didn't it bring us together?
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  Speaker 4: Remember, he said, I'm going to bring the country together.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it together. They're conquering our country.
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  Speaker 2: These people are conquering our country.
• 15:43
  Speaker 8: Joe Biden went on television and apologized for calling Lakin's.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Murderer an illegal.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: He didn't want to call him illegal.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: He's apologizing.
• 15:52
  Speaker 8: It's so interesting.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: I watched these criminals back there, the press.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Look at how many of them. And we did nothing wrong.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: Perfect phone call. Other than we challenged the honesty of
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: this election.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: This election was rigged.
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: You know, the polls were all rigged. Of course, lately
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: they haven't been rigged because they're winning by so much,
• 16:11
  Speaker 8: I would say.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Disregard that statement. I love the polls very much.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Telling. Lots to unpack there from the guy whose aides
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: told NBC a few weeks ago they'll be pivoting to
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: less grievance and more policy.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Thoughtful, yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I have one hot take here, which is I hope
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Trump keeps talking about Biden stutter because Biden's going to
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: be a lot better off if people... think that his
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: verbal gaffes, know that his verbal gaffes are related to
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: his stutter and not his age.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: And he sounds like a vicious, mean person.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: He does. He does. Well, that's pretty much baked in
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: with Trump at this point. But it is like it's
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: also a realization from Trump that he's not going to
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: be able to get as much mileage out of the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: age thing as maybe he had hoped after the State
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: of the Union. And so now he's got to go
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to the stutter. But anyway, I'm not sure to you guys.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure. I was thinking about that. I
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: can tell if it's Trump reacting to how strong Biden seemed.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: And so he doesn't think the age attack is as
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: salient or If we just take Trump at his word
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: from this speech, which is he views the press's focus
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: on Biden's age as an indirect attack on him. He
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: takes it personally because he says in the speech they're
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: only calling Biden old because they're trying to say I'm old.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I'm actually four years younger, by the way. And there's
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: a lot of great 80 year olds, a lot of
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: great 90 year olds is about incompetence. So I felt
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: like some of it was not strategic so much as
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: he doesn't like the fact that he's 78 years old.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: And he doesn't like talking about it, doesn't like thinking
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: about it. So he's trying to make it about stutter
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: and he's trying to make it about incompetence.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying to make it about incompetence. I mean,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: clearly the core message they're trying to drive is about
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Lake and Riley and about immigration. If you folks don't
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: know the story, it's this horrible incident in Georgia where
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: a 22-year-old woman went jogging. She was murdered by a
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: man from Venezuela who had unlawfully crossed into the country,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: into the U.S. and was allowed to stay. So Trump
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: invited Lake and Riley's family to the event. Marjorie Taylor
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Greene was passing out Lake and Riley buttons at the
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: State of the Union that led to that exchange. There
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: were posters printed. So, Trump spends a lot of time
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: at every event talking about immigration policy. But then he also,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of in real time got this information
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: about the Jonathan Capehart interview and said that Biden apologized
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to Lake and Riley's killer for calling the killer illegal,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: which did not happen in any way. So clearly that's
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: their message. It's demagoguing immigration. But it was also like
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: two hours long. It was a great hits album.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: By the end.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So fucking long.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Getting really just.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: He whined about every case in detail. He's still pretending
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: he didn't misspeak when he keeps saying Obama's president. He
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: continues to say that he'll defund any school with a
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: vaccine or mask mandate and never says COVID. So again,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: if you like polio, if you like measles, if you
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like diseases recently eradicated from the United States, I got
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: a candidate for you.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And this isn't like a hypothetical. We're seeing cases of
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: measles pop up In places where they haven't been in decades.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: 45 of them this year. There were 58 total in 2023.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's also an indication that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Biden picking fights with Trump throws him off his game
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: and gets him to go off message. Not that he's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: like disciplined on message, but, you know, we have seen him.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: In recent months, every once in a while, the campaign
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: gets them to be a little bit more on message. And,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know, he was clearly I think he was thrown
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: off a little bit by the State of the Union.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And so we got the we got the two hour
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: crazy fest.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: I have speaking of throwing Trump off a little bit.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: What do you think about this pitch? It's a stupid pitch.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Here's my pitch.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I think Joe Biden should come out to proud to
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: be American. I think he should come out to Trump's song.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, is that Trump's song now?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Proud to be an American.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: There's so many.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: But that's the one he loves the most. That's the
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: one he comes out to, Proud to be an American.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: He loves it. He walks around. He hears the whole song.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: We're proud to be American.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: He'd be so pissed.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: He'd be so pissed. I like that idea. I'd love
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: to watch Joe Biden come out to that song.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I think he should come out to the QAnon music. Oh,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: that's beautiful.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: J6 Choir.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: We're taking back. Yeah, yeah. J6 Choir, a little QAnon.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Laura Trump's Won't Back Down version.
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: There we go. There we go.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Trump did compliment Biden, though. Do you guys catch that?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: He said Biden probably did well enough that they're not
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: going to replace him on the ballot.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said that was good news because
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: he wants to run against Biden. He also attacked E.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Jean Carroll again, prompting yet another threat of a defamation
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: suit from her lawyer.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said she was a liar. He called her Mrs.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Bergdorf Goodman, whatever the department store was called.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Not really learning his lesson as he had to do
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: the bond on Friday.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not learning his lesson at all. Trump's also
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: back to doing phone interviews with all his favorite cable shows.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Here's what he said to conservative Squawk Box host Joe
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Kernan about his plans for Medicare and Social Security.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: Have you changed your mind? your outlook on how to
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: handle entitlements, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: President, it seems like something has to be done or
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: else we're going to be stuck at 120 percent of
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: debt to GDP forever.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: So, first of all, there is a lot you can
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: do in terms of entitlements, in terms of cutting, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: in terms of also the theft and the bad management
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: of entitlements, tremendous bad management of entitlements. There's tremendous amounts
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: of things and numbers of things you can do. So
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily agree with the statement. I know that
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: they're going to end up weakening Social Security because the
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: country is weak. I mean, take a look at outside
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: of the stock market, we're going through hell.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: People are going through hell.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So Biden pounced on that as did his campaign. Biden said,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: not on my watch. He spoke about it at his
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: event today. There's a digital ad that's out now from
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the Biden campaign that's going to be part of that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: $ 30 million buy. Trump campaign said he was just talking
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: about cutting waste.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Waste, fraud, and abuse.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Waste, fraud, and abuse, though Trump did propose budgets every
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: year of his presidency that would cut Medicare and Social
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Security and Medicaid. It does seem notable to me that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the Trump folks want to avoid this conversation, but what
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: do you guys think?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: That's a just ran against Nikki Haley by accusing her
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: of messing with Social Security.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Also, what I thought was, They got to stop letting
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Trump do these phoners with these CNBC guys. Because he's too,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: he's not, he's not in his, he's like kind of
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: old Trump. He's sort of just like kind of just
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: shooting the shit.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Let Trump be Trump.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I'm all for it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Let Joe be Joe and let Trump be Trump.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: And let the chips fall.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: He also like loves talking about cutting entitlements on CNBC.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It was January of 2020 that he was talking to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: CNBC from Davos of all places. And said that at
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the right time, he'd take a look at cutting Social
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Security and Medicare.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: He knows the audience. He's thinking about the audience of
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that channel. It's funny. I was triggered by the phoners,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: the TV phone interview in the opposite direction. It just
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: made me think of 2015 and 16, all these news
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: outlets not learning their lesson because none of them, he
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: never answers their question. Even like Andrew Ross Sorkin, the progressive,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: super smart journalist, tried to ask some good questions and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Trump just doesn't even come close to responding, evades the question.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You can't interrupt him because he's just ranting away. They're terrible.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Let him talk.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Word salad. Word salad. makes mistakes, says stuff that's damaging.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, for sure.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Unlearn all your lessons. I don't care at this point.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, uh, looking at his record on social
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: security and Medicare. I didn't, I forgot about the story
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: from the Trump years because there were too many to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: keep track of. Do you know Mick Mulvaney who ended up,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it's like a very freedom caucus, conservative Republican congressman who
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: ended up becoming Trump's chief of staff, one of the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: many chiefs of staff. And, um, He bragged at one
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: point about tricking Trump into proposing cuts to Social Security
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: disability insurance. So he went into the Oval right after
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Trump won in 16. He said, all right, let's talk
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: about cutting Social Security. And Trump's like, I can't do that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I just said I wouldn't do it. Talk about, let's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: cut Medicare. I don't think I can do that either.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I just campaigned on it. And he goes, well, what
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: about disability insurance? We can cut that. Trump goes, yeah, great, great.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Let's cut that. Let's cut that. Didn't realize that it
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was part of a Social Security program. Doesn't realize that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: it would affect Medicare and cut Medicare as well. It
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: just goes to show that like, Even on these issues
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: where Trump feels like he has to be more of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a populist or go against the Republican Party, he's so
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: stupid you can trick him into anything. Like it goes
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: back to the conversation about like the Project 2025, the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Christian nationalism, like all these people. Trump gets back in
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the White House and he's not going to have to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: face reelection again. And he's going to be surrounded by
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: all these right wing kooks. They're going to be able
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to get him to do anything they want, anything they want.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Well, he tells everyone what he thinks they want to hear.
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: He's telling a bunch of people watching financial TV that
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: he cares about the debt and deficit and thus will
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: manage entitlement somehow, but he doesn't get specific. So I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: think there's some truth to it. Well, I mean, look,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: he goes.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: To Michigan, pretends he's a union guy, and his NLRB
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: would get union protections. His judges will be the judges
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: if this happens that will got the ability of people
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: to organize. He doesn't care about the details. So he
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: just says yes to whatever list they put in front
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: of him. That's who ended up on the Supreme Court.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: That's Mitch McConnell's list. That's the right-wing establishment's list.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: That's not Trump's list. He doesn't give a fuck.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's important because part of the fear of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Trump or part of what the right tends to say
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is like an overblown fear of Trump is that he's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: some dictator and waiting with an ideology. And it's like, well,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that. He's just a useful
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: idiot to a lot of people on the right who
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: are very dangerous. Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: And like long before we were dealing with Trump threatening
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: to overturn elections, the logical conclusion of what Republicans wanted
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: was the end of the EPA. It was the end
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: of a ton of just basic consumer protections, the end
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: of Roe, the end of organizing, the end of the
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: National Labor Relations Board, the end of the Consumer Financial
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Protection Bureau. Like this is the conclusion that they want.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: They just never had somebody who was so willing to
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: just sign off on these ideas, even though they're extremely unpopular.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Here's another totally normal thing for a presidential candidate to do.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Trump threw a party in Mar-a-Lago over the weekend for
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: right-wing Hungarian autocrat Viktor Orban, who later said that Trump
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: told him he wouldn't send a penny to Ukraine if
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he becomes president. Here's Trump praising Orban at the concert,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: which featured Beatles and Rolling Stones tribute bands, along with
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the Palm Beach Orchestra.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: Truly a fucking hell on earth.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Tommy, every once in a while, I feel like we
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: need a refresher on why Viktor Orban is not someone
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a potential U.S. president should model himself after. Can you
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: help us out?
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: So he is a dictator. He has all but killed
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: off democracy in Hungary. The issues that he ran on
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: will sound very familiar to you guys. He said that
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Hungary was getting invaded by migrants, that they had to
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: build a wall, demagogued refugees, Muslims in particular. He ran
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a bunch of ads attacking George Soros in blatantly anti-Semitic ways.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And then while in power, Orban slowly destroyed the institutions
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: at the heart of the democracy in Hungary. He cracked
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: down on the media. He ran outlets out of business
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: that he didn't like, or he forced them to be
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: sold to his friends. He rewrote the Constitution, expanded the courts,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: then he packed the courts, then he forced old judges
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: off of the courts so he could pack them even further,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: gerrymandered parliamentary districts. His political party would create fake political
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: parties to run against, so they would split the opposition
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: vote and just use the powers of the state to
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: destroy his opponents and route money to his little kind
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: of oligarch So if you want to be rich in Hungary,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you have to be on Orban's good side. And Republicans
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: see him and they love the guy. Like Steve Bannon
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: is openly talks about how Orban is the kind of
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: leader we should emulate. There's CPACs in Hungary. Tucker Carlson
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: goes over there, you know, records a show for a
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: week from Budapest. So this is the model. This is
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: who they want to be.
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: It was good to see Biden included.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: This in his speech over the weekend as well uh
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: sort of attacked trump for praising orban uh which you
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: know is maybe a lot of voters don't know who
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: victor orban is but um all you need to know
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: is it's a it's a it's a guy who's an
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: autocrat who said he doesn't like democracy.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's a story worth telling also did you guys
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: just notice how hard they tried to make it look
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like a state visit like they had the motorcade roll
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: up they had the flags he was a greeting committee
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: like It's so thirsty to want to be president.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is play pretend president now. It's like everyone
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: on the right and Fox now also they call him
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: President Trump. They don't say former President Trump. He he
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just had a video out where the video was this
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like weird fantasy where Joe Biden is delivering the State
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of the Union. But then they cut to Donald Trump
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: walking into the chamber from when he was at the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: State of the Union. And it's like him replacing Joe Biden.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden walks off the stage and it's like Trump's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: tweeting this video all the time. Like, what is so weird?
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: It really is a shame that we that like the
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: media environment is so attenuated that that really is only
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: going to reach the people that either hate it like
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: us and are already on board or absolutely fucking love it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Because like the shit that Trump does that normies don't
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: know would weird people out.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Did you see him playing with Snapchat filters?
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: He's very bored.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Biden colors. It's like, it's just so childish.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So this is Victor Orban story. Uh, this, the, the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: big bash at Mar-a-Lago, uh, it happened, uh, fortuitous moment, uh,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: at CNN, Jim Schudo is, uh, he's got a book
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: out this week and he talks to a lot of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: former Trump staff about sort of like what drove Trump. Uh,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: he had a conversation with, uh, John Kelly, who was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: one of Trump's, uh, chief, another one of the, another
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: chief of staff for Trump. And, and Kelly, uh, recounted
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: this conversation between he and Trump about Hitler. And Trump said, well,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: but Hitler did some good things.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And Kelly said, what? And Trump said, well, Hitler rebuilt
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the economy. And then Trump also expressed admiration for Hitler's
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: hold on senior Nazi officers, but was dismayed when Kelly
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: told him that actually those German generals tried to assassinate
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Hitler a few times. And then Trump's like, oh, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: didn't know that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Show him Valkyrie. Show him Valkyrie.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: There's a movie.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. They don't succeed.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But still. It is. That is.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: He definitely, it is such an autocrat impulse. He's like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and you heard him in the clip with Orban. He
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: makes the rules. He says what goes. No one crosses him.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: That's it. He just wants to do what he wants
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to be recountable to anyone else.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: That's his whole fucking story. And Biden hit it in
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that ad, right? Trump wants to be president for himself.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I want to be president for Americans. That's it. That's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the message.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: There's this little kind of crew of right-wing leaders that
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: they all, like the Republicans of the U.S., openly invite
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: them to events. If you watch CPAC, you'll see Viktor
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Orban You'll see Bolsonaro from Brazil. You'll see Liz Truss,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the former prime minister of the UK. You'll see Nigel Farage.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You'll see Nayib Bukele, who's this Bitcoin bro dictator down
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: in El Salvador. And it's very weird how they all
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: work together and they gather at events and they trade notes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: It's very scary. You also see the gradient that leads from.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Kind of like the Republican talking points that like Democrats
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: buy voters votes with their programs and their social programs.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: And once you give people an entitlement, you can't take
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: it back. Mitt Romney saying the 47 percent thing that
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: slowly leads them towards like this place at which they
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: just believe democracy is inherently illegitimate. And the only way
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: you can rule is with without having to deal with
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: the the frustrations that come along with a democratic process.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Orban calls it Christian democracy.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, it's a very old story. It's an old
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: playbook from autocrats for decades and decades, if not centuries.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing about these populists. You don't need
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: to be smart and savvy or coherent even. There's a
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: lot of buffoonish dictators who gain a lot of power,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: like a Mussolini.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: For example. Yeah. Speaking of Mar-a-Lago, we're still waiting to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: hear whether Trump will stand trial before the election for
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: refusing to give back the classified information he hid in
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: his beach club. But already Politico has reported that Intel
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: officials are preparing to brief Trump on national security matters
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: once he officially becomes the Republican nominee for president. Adam
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Schiff was on Meet the Press over the weekend, said
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: that he hopes the Intel community will, quote, dumb down
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the briefings for Trump.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: I think they already were doing that for many years.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So can they do that, Tommy? And can they refuse
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to give him Intel briefings at all since he's facing
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: criminal charges on the issue? I know they do that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: for every nominee of a major party for a long time, but.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I do think it's worth just pausing and saying, I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: can't believe this is happening. I know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I did have. Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: How is this possible? I mean, I think.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: He's the nominee. He shouldn't have a security clearance. It's
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: basically a coin flip away from being president.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I think so. The briefings that the candidates get are
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: already a lot less detailed than what a president gets.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I think they just get like high level assessments of
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: things like the threat from ISIS. You know, Russia's nuclear arsenal,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: how it's going in Ukraine, and it's derived from classified information.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: When you're the president, you get the highly compartmented, the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: so-called code word level stuff that tells you how we
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: got that information. Like, oh, we paid off the top
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: intel guy in X country for the following information. Or
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: we have a source deep within the Russian military that
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: told us X about their plan to invade Ukraine. So
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: he won't get any of that. Maybe they'll dumb it
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: down even further.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I hope he just gets, sir, it's Sonny and Keef today.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Those get the clips. Just get a New York Times.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Bebe Netanyahu this morning had breakfast.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: We're not sure what's going on with Middleton. The photo
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: was hinky.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's all they're giving him. All right. Finally,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it turns out the biggest problem with Katie Britt's State
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of the Union response is wasn't the bizarrely overdramatic delivery,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it's that she was full of shit. Here's Scarlett Johansson
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: alluding to the mishap when she played Brit on the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: SNL cold open.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: First and foremost, I'm a mom. And like any mom,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: I'm going to do a pivot out of nowhere into
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: a shockingly violent story about sex trafficking. And rest assured,
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: every detail about it is real, except the year, where
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: it took place, and who was president when it happened.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Four Pinocchios, says the Washington Post for Katie Craig.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Can't come back from that. That's it for you.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: As Scarlett Johansson said, the woman's story didn't take place
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in Joe Biden's America. It took place in Mexico when
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: George W. Bush was president. It's just completely full of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: shit from beginning to end. You know, the Katie Britz
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: people maintains that it was like technically truthful because she
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: just like she she said the story and she wedged
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: it in between saying and Joe Biden's policies are bad. Also,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: here's a story about this woman who was sex trafficked
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: in a woman.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Fuck these people. I know a horrible story.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: A woman went through a fucking horrific ordeal, went public
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: with it and then is exploited in this way. Like,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: fuck you for pretending this had any business being in
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: that speech. It is disgusting. It is disgusting in a
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: kitchen with your cross pretending you're a good person.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Fucking gross.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So would you say this was the worst State of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the Union response ever?
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: No.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, because I went and looked and I was thinking, well,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: this is surely up there. First of all, you forget
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: how bad Bobby Jindal was.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So much worse than Bobby Jindal.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I agree. But then I went digging further. And in
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: the early 1980s. Let's go.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: In the early 1980s.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Democrats decided they were no longer going to do a
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: standard State of the Union speech. They were going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: do focus group infomercials.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: It is opportunity, but it's really a freedom.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: It's a freedom to be able to express.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: It's a freedom to be able to compete. It's a
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: freedom to be able to fail.
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: And it's a freedom that allows us.
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: This ability to dream.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's the.
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: Thing that the Democratic Party can offer.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: It can offer hope.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Is that a bunch of them together? Is that Bill Richardson? Yes.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Here's what they did.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: They had governors fan out across the country doing focus
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: groups in which people talked about why they didn't like Democrats.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: And then Bill Clinton stood in front of this map.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: In the past few weeks, Democratic leaders have gone all
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: across America talking to all kinds of people. They spoke
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: with people in what are called focus groups.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Back then, it was all the rage, you know?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: It was pretty bad. I don't know.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not great.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: Still.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I'm, I'm, I'm back on board. Worst ever. I was
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: looking at this list of who had delivered the response
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: every year to see if there are any good ones.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: There's a few, but yeah, there's sometimes where there's like
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: 10 people. Yes.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: In the early eighties, in the early eighties, they did
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: these strange infomercials that were very poorly received.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: God, that's weird. I thought, I thought the reigning champion
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: before this was Rubio in the water.
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: But, uh, when you go back and look at that one,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it's still, it's fun to watch because it's pretty awful. But, um,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: this was just the delivery, the made up story, the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: made up story really just puts it, it brings it
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to another level.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I have questioned every political opinion I've had about this
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: country since 2016 or so. So I was watching and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: being like, this is terrible, right? Like this is crazy
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: to go from that high to that low to go from,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: you know, like kind of smiley friendly face of fascism
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to telling this lurid story about this incident in Mexico. Like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: but then for that, for that story, which, for the
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: purposes of her rebuttal speech was totally unnecessary.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: You know, like if she wanted to talk about sort
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of some sort of crime that was associated with migration,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of examples out there. The Lake and
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Riley story.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, why didn't she go?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: But for her to have included that and for it
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to just be so unbelievably false and misleading. And the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: fact that it was Jonathan Katz, a former AP reporter
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: who dug it up and got it out there via
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: a TikTok video, first of all, credit to him. But boy,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: did everybody else fall down on the job.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Also, it wasn't like she had this speech looked at
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: just by like her small Senate staff from Alabama. Like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: when you give the response, like the RNC had to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: be involved. Yeah, everyone had to have looked at that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And no one in the party gave a shit about that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: If you watch her TV ads from her campaign, she
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: does a similar delivery style of like performing the hell
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: out of it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Some media consultant fucking sucks.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I can't believe someone didn't tell her this is super off-putting.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: The reaction to right-wing pundits watching it was fantastic. Megan Kelly,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: a few others, just went ham on this thing.
• 38:33
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• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Take Appreciators. I'm going
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: to be sharing some takes with you all. The producers
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: have seen these takes. John, John, and Tommy have not.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: They will react and then rate them on a scale
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: of one to four politicos, with four politicos being the worst.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Are you guys ready?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Sure am. Yeah, we're ready. Hell yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Let's stick with Katie Britt. I thought you guys were
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: spot on, but apparently y'all just don't get it. Here's
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: an alternative take from a pundit you must always fade,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Clay Travis, quote, Katie Britt is killing it. Her speech
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: isn't for dudes. They're all already voting for Trump. It's
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: for suburban women, the kind of people who buy into
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: the idea that Republicans are all old, rich white guys.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I don't get the pyramid scheme facial cream party scene either,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: but it's real. What do you guys think?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Wow, that was just swerved off at the end there.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: What's the facial cream party scene?
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: What is that?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Is that like MLM stuff?
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: What are we talking about?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: That was like Tommy Tuberville's reaction, which was, she was
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: picked because she was a suburban housewife.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Trump did something really strange in his speech where he
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: like called out these women that have been traveling around
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: the country. And he's like, their husbands can't be excited
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: that they're out.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Of the house. He's like, what the fuck? Clay is
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: an idiot as a general matter, Clay Travis. He seems
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: to be doing what he says he hates there, which
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: is identity politics and suggesting that because Katie Britt's a woman,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: all women who are watching must have liked it. I
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: think that is undercut by reality. The 2016 election? It's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a nonsensical take by Mr. Travis.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Suburban women are like, they're really into these lurid stories.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: About sex-trafficked women in Mexico. Lies and overacting. Just weird. Oh,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that gets a four from me. That's a four.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Unanimous four across the board?
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I'll hit them with a three.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: I think it's a three because I think it's just
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: sort of like a... Yeah, I'm on a three.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: So, Clay Travis, we'll say a three and a half.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: All right. Moving on.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Take number two. Let's do some presidential primary cleanup. This
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: is a little old. It's a deep cut, though, that
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: we have to look at. It's from billionaire and terminally
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: online person Bill Ackman.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Here he is talking about Dean Phillips' chances to take
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: off after the Michigan primary.
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: Biden in Michigan. Biden's doing very poorly in Michigan. His
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: polls are terrible. The Muslim community is not happy with him.
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: And he really has spent no time there. And so,
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: If he's embarrassed in Michigan, it could be a catalyst
• 42:13
  Speaker 10: for him withdrawing. Then Dean will get funding. If he
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: wins Michigan or shows well in Michigan and people say
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: he's viable, he's the only choice we have, he'll attract
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: from the center. He'll attract from people, Republicans who won't
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: vote for Trump, which they're a big percentage, could be
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: 60% or more. It could be 70% won't vote for Trump.
• 42:33
  Speaker 10: And also from the Democrats. So I think he's a
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: really interesting candidate, but we've got to get the word out.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: 400. 400.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: The reason that one is so great is because Bill Ackman,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: just an insufferable billionaire, not only came out and endorsed
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Dean Phillips, but he gave him $ 1 million. A million dollars?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: A million dollars. He gave him a million dollars? Dean
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Phillips got 20,605 votes in Michigan, less than Marianne Williams.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Oh my God.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: And Uncommitted and Joe Biden.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Stick to playing around with money. If you go back
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and look at every prediction, political prediction or political analysis
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: from Elon Musk or Bill Ackman or the all-in pod,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: they are just so incredibly wrong about everything, it just
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: nothing pans out for them. None of their predictions pan out.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: You love to see it. Vivek Ramaswamy, Ron DeSantis, Dean Phillips,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: just RFK over and over again. They just keep getting
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: it wrong. All talking to each other. Also, 70% of
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Republicans might not vote for Trump.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That was a good one in there, too, that he
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: just sort of... sandwiched in that, uh, that terrible take.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there are layers to that one. So what do
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: you guys want to rate it?
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: What's the max?
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: Off the charts.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: It's a four, yeah. It's just not a, not a,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: not a, not a good take.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: A billion. 4,000, yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: A million dollars to Dean Phillips.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Even Dean Phillips was like, are you sure?
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: What are you doing, man?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I just say, at least if you set it on fire,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: you might keep somebody warm.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: For a bit.
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: So that's rare. That's, That's the worst take of the primary.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Let's move on to the last take. Sunday night was
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the Oscars. Here's a take on the host from Donald Trump.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: It's a long one.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Get ready.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Has there ever been a worse host than Jimmy Kimmel
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: at the Oscars? His opening was that of a less
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: than average person trying too hard to be something which
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: he is not and can never be. Get rid of
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Kimmel and perhaps replace him with another washed up but
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: cheap ABC talent. George Slopinopoulos, he would make everybody on
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: stage look bigger, stronger, and more glamorous. Also a really bad,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: politically correct show tonight, and for years, disjointed, boring, and
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: very unfair. Why don't they just give the Oscars to
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: those that deserve them? Maybe that way their audience and
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: TV ratings will come back from the depths. Make America
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: great again. Kimmel responded to the Republican nominee live on stage,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: and I believe we have that clip here.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, President Trump. Thank you for watching. I'm
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: surprised you're still watching. Isn't it past your jail time?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Good for Jimmy. Also, what is Donald Trump doing? That
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: truth reveals so much knowledge of everything that happened on
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Sunday online. At the Oscars, the Stephanopoulos thing was because
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of the Nancy Mace interview on Stephanopoulos' show, so he
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: knows about that controversy, which we didn't even talk about.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Is Slopinopoulos new material? I haven't heard Slopinopoulos.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Slopinopoulos is new material, but he had to hit George
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: for the Nancy Mace thing, and then he was watching
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the Oscars. It's the guy running for president? What's he doing?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: He's got trials coming up. He's running for president. What's
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: he doing?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: What was his best picture pic? Was it... Oppenheimer is
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: too woke? I didn't think of.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: You think he thinks Oppenheimer's too woke?
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I just... What did he prefer? Was he more
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: of a past lives guy? What was he... Who does
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: he think got robbed? The holdovers?
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Like, what are we doing here?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Anatomy of a fall?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: He does not like a movie about.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: No.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I don't think he likes a movie about wives killing
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: their husbands.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I don't think that that's his favorite topic.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That's a biopic. Yeah, so I... First of all, also,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the Oscars were great. The Oscars were, it was a great,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: great show.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: It was like my favorite, it was my favorite award show,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: my favorite version of the Oscars in like a very.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: In like a living memory.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: What made it great?
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I did not watch any of it. The jokes were good.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: It was tight. There were funny moments. The production looked great.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: It moved, moved well. The thing moved. Shout out Josh
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Holloway and Louis Vertel.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a CBS This Morning piece on the Oscars
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and Louis and Josh, Josh who wrote our book with us,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: were both on the show.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: Love that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: They did a good job. Yeah, Donald Trump, he's just,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: go touch grass, man.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: He can't help himself watching these events that he despises,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: wishing that the people in that room liked him, and
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: then tweeting mean things at them. And I, yeah, I don't.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Also, he can't love that an event that was watched
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: by that many people, that everyone's laughing at him. jimmy
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: does the joke and then the whole crowd's laughing and
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: then he knows that millions of people are watching that's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: uh probably not what he intended.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: It was awesome it was jimmy reading that making a
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: joke at his house was fucking awesome it was great
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: it was a great little coda to the whole thing
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: and uh i think that um trump has not seen
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: a movie in a long time yeah he can't have
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: the attention span for that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: So i would give that a i'll give that a
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: four but uh slopinopolis is funny.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah slopinopolis is good that's good.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love George Stephanopoulos, but also, it's just
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a funny, funny name. Every once in a while, we
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: get some humor from him, but, you know, it's three
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and a half, maybe.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: And, you know, George Stephanopoulos, a short king, and he
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: can take it, you know? He can take being deprecated
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: for being small.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Stephanop-polish those jokes up? I'm trying to, is there anything
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: better we could do here?
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: Stephanopoulos.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Stephanopoulos.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: It's just so bad. Slopinopolis. Slopinopolis.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Except you say it and you fucking laugh.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: You like it?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: We can't intellectually defend it, but you say Slopinopolis, there's
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: a smile on your face because there's a feral genius
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: to it.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Just like when you say De Sanctis.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny. At the event in Georgia, he said
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: like he said ron de sanctimonious and he was like
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: i don't say that anymore i just say ron de
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: sanctus no.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: He he said he said uh ron de sanctimonious sorry
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: sorry that's insulting ron de sanctus it was like he
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: came back in to fucking punch him twice it was
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: awesome awesome great job ron great job great job standing
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: up for yourself.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable anyway uh that's our show for today is that
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it that's it we will uh we'll have another uh
• 48:43
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• 48:46
  Speaker 1: then have a good.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: One maybe trump like zone of interest You know what?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't get it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I meant Zone of Interest, and I said Anatomy of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a Fall. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Not your fault. Two German films.
• 48:56
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