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Feminist Movie Friday: Anne of Green Gables · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan.
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Speaker 1: I never told your protection of iHeart Radio. Okay, Annie,
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Speaker 1: I have to ask you a question, and this is
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Speaker 1: gonna date me a little bit because I was trying
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Speaker 1: to remember all about this information. But did you ever
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Speaker 1: watch when PBS or in Georgia's GBS, uh, when they
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Speaker 1: would do the little telethons to raise money for their network, um,
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Speaker 1: and then they would have special uh viewings of things.
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Speaker 1: Did you watch any of those? Do you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about? I know what you're talking about. I
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Speaker 1: don't believe I ever watched that. I watched shows on PBS,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think I watched what you're specifically saying,
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Speaker 1: which is like a kind of special to raise money,
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Speaker 1: right right right. So what they would do is you
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Speaker 1: would watch a series so lay Miss happened to be
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Speaker 1: one that I loved, and they would do a whole
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Speaker 1: viewing of an entire of the entire uh. I guess
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Speaker 1: it was more of us singing. It wasn't the actual play.
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Speaker 1: They would just come up on stage and singing and
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Speaker 1: it was beautiful, and then they would interrupt it every
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes with a thirty minutes segment of them UM
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Speaker 1: trying to raise money and then tell you you can
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Speaker 1: buy this VHST for a pledge. So if you were
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Speaker 1: to pledge five hundred dollars or a hundred dollars of
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Speaker 1: a month, they would send you this or with a
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Speaker 1: tote and all these things. I never got this. I
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Speaker 1: was very sad UM. But I have distinct memories in
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Speaker 1: watching these and being very excited, except not excited about
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Speaker 1: the telethon part, being very excited that they would show
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Speaker 1: something that I loved. And I will tell you one
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Speaker 1: of the things that I loved is what we're gonna
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Speaker 1: be talking about today. And I'm just so excited. Which
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Speaker 1: is the CBC or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation version of
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Speaker 1: and the Gables UH. And this is how I first
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Speaker 1: watched it was on a PBS UH telethon and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is exciting. And it happens once
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Speaker 1: a year, and it happened in my teenage years early
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Speaker 1: years to the US UM. And you know, growing up
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Speaker 1: in a very small town, we only have three channels
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Speaker 1: available literally channel to, channel five and channel eight, so
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Speaker 1: we had ABC, CBS, and PBS didn't have NBC that
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Speaker 1: was too fancy for us, Just so you know that's
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Speaker 1: what we had. Um. And yes, my favorite time of
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Speaker 1: the year would be the telethon which they would put
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Speaker 1: on these shows, which is like a two day stretch
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Speaker 1: of the nineteen five classic, because they would continue on
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Speaker 1: and hopefully we will also continue on with the sequels
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Speaker 1: that Kevin Sullivan, the writer director of this series, would do,
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Speaker 1: which apparently went way off book after the first one
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Speaker 1: from what I understand, UM, which I would try to
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Speaker 1: record ord on VHS, trying to get it perfectly timed
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Speaker 1: without any of the actual Teleson's, trying to make it
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Speaker 1: just one and I failed every time. I failed every time.
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Speaker 1: You'll one time, um, and I would eat a bowl
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Speaker 1: of whatever claim chowder that I could find, because I
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Speaker 1: had never had claim chowder before. So I would get
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Speaker 1: the progressio or Campbell's version of it, uh in like
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Speaker 1: heat induced weather and pretend like I was actually up
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Speaker 1: north during the winter watching this movie because I so
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Speaker 1: desperately wanted to be on Prince Edward Island. I have
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Speaker 1: these distinct memories. Yeah. Again, a reminder, Georgia rarely gets
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Speaker 1: below forty and it's only for a very short season
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Speaker 1: of time. So I have a very fond memories in
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Speaker 1: growing up in loving this movie, and I will watch
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Speaker 1: it to this day. I have the DVDs. I've lost
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Speaker 1: those DVDs I need to find. I know, I know
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Speaker 1: I've got a few. I think I was careless and
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Speaker 1: scratched them up very expensive though. Um so as a
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Speaker 1: fun birthday treat to me, because this is now my
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Speaker 1: birthday month, That's what I'm saying. I've decided that classics
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Speaker 1: will be a theme for us throughout this month. Annie,
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Speaker 1: are you ready for it? I'm excited. I'm so excited.
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Speaker 1: Of course, this means there may be a two parter
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Speaker 1: for this because to me, and green Gables and of
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Speaker 1: avently were hand in hand, which apparently was renamed and
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Speaker 1: gen Gables the sequel. I didn't notice till later, Like
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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, um, but yes, I'm very excited
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Speaker 1: to go down this memory lane with you. I hope
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Speaker 1: you're excited. I am excited. So I The only experience
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Speaker 1: I have with a Green Gables is our local theater.
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Speaker 1: I also grew up in a small town, but we
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Speaker 1: had six channels, That's right, we did, but we had
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Speaker 1: a small theater. I could only show one movie at once,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not kidding. At least three times I was
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Speaker 1: there it like Caught on Fire the projector did so
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Speaker 1: that kind of theater. But one time it did a
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Speaker 1: play of and of Green Gables, and it was when
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Speaker 1: I was like super into. I thought I could be
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Speaker 1: like a star, so I would audition for it. I
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Speaker 1: auditioned for Diana because they wanted somebody with red hair
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Speaker 1: for Ann and my friend Katie, who's been on the
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Speaker 1: show and specifically came on the episode we did about
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Speaker 1: red hair for women. She at that point was already
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Speaker 1: it's funny. It was funny for me watching this for
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Speaker 1: the first time last night. I was like, that sounds like, Heyie,
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Speaker 1: but she doesn't like her red hair being reference, so
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't. She wouldn't audition. However, a lot of my
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Speaker 1: friends that I grew up with loved and Green Gables,
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Speaker 1: and Marissa, who has also been on this show, has
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Speaker 1: done the like Prince Edward Island and too. I'm hoping
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Speaker 1: she'll share pictures with us because they're super cute, Like
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Speaker 1: you can put on like that hat and it has
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Speaker 1: the breeds in it, you know. I'm not sure if
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Speaker 1: I can do all that, being very very Asian, but
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Speaker 1: I would want to go see the tours. Yeah. Oh,
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Speaker 1: she had a It sounds like a delightful time in
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Speaker 1: the pictures are and she's so happy that it makes
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Speaker 1: me very very happy. Oh yeah, so I'm excited. Yeah right,
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Speaker 1: So I actually I have a friend who lives on
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Speaker 1: Prince Edward Island right now, and we've talked about I
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Speaker 1: may have to come see you ly. Um. Oh, but
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Speaker 1: in this love and so people are very aware. Because
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Speaker 1: I know I'm a bit of a snob about this.
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Speaker 1: I have never read the books. I've never actually read
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Speaker 1: the books, and so therefore I cannot tell you what
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Speaker 1: is right and wrong with these When it comes to
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Speaker 1: the film versions, and you know, there's been a lot
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Speaker 1: of silent film. It was actually an animated series in
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Speaker 1: Japan before it was a movie here. Um, there have
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Speaker 1: been many a renditions, including the Newest One, Newest and
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Speaker 1: I say a New World, I guess one and with
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Speaker 1: an E on Netflix. I have yet to try it
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Speaker 1: because I'm a little bit of a purist in that
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Speaker 1: I saw this one first and I cannot change my
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Speaker 1: perspective on this, and I'm worried that it's going to
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Speaker 1: change it. And I do understand that the creator was
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Speaker 1: from Breaking Bad and so she explores the dark side
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Speaker 1: of and with an e based sense, because there's nothing
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Speaker 1: about this orphaned girl who should be happy Dory like
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Speaker 1: Hunky Dorry happy in real life, like I said that
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Speaker 1: about Harry Potter too, So um, I will put that
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Speaker 1: cavity in. And yes we are talking exclusively about the movie.
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Speaker 1: So please don't be mad, Pa, don't be mad. And
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Speaker 1: I also understand there is a bit of a controversy
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Speaker 1: with Kevin Sullivan's take. There was a back and forth
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Speaker 1: about ownership, copyright um rights to the book, royalties between
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Speaker 1: some of the family and the people who own the
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Speaker 1: rights to versus Kevin Sullivan. It was a huge thing.
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Speaker 1: It went to court in Japan, it with the Courton Canada,
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Speaker 1: like there's there's a whole thing um and I'm not
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Speaker 1: we're not going to get into that too much at all,
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Speaker 1: but I am very aware and I want you all
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Speaker 1: to know I'm aware, and it does make me feel
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Speaker 1: kind of slimy and that Kevin Sullivan was not completely
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Speaker 1: respectful of the family's wishes. But because there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of money to be had obviously, So we are
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Speaker 1: talking about the Sullivan Entertainment version of the Night five
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Speaker 1: mini series and of Green Gables. Are you ready, Annie, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I am ready. And also I'm very excited for listeners
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Speaker 1: to write in about like is it this version? What
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Speaker 1: the book? I want to know all your favorite are
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Speaker 1: your opinions? And then she and by the way, Lucy
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Speaker 1: maud Montgomery who wrote this series in Night started with
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Speaker 1: a Green Gables and then started many of follow ups
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Speaker 1: to that and was us hugely celebrated and loved. Um,
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Speaker 1: so I will never uh dispute anyone on that love.
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Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. UM feel that same
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Speaker 1: way about Little Women sometimes in a lot about Jane
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Speaker 1: Austen films, which we will talk about later. Um, but yes,
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Speaker 1: uh so. It was originally released as a two part
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Speaker 1: series in December of nineteen eighty five in Canada, later
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Speaker 1: released on PBS in February nine, eight six, which is
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Speaker 1: when I'm in to the U s by the way,
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Speaker 1: well July EIGHTI six, I guess um and in the
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Speaker 1: UK in nineteen eighties seven, so it had a pretty
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Speaker 1: big hit there. Um. The series was awarded many Jim
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Speaker 1: and I Awards, many of the stars in the movie
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Speaker 1: got awards as well as UM the writers and the
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Speaker 1: directors and the costumes as well as they won an
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Speaker 1: Emmy Award for Outstaying the Children's Series, Peabody Award, and
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Speaker 1: many many more. UM And I just discovered that is
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Speaker 1: only available on Sullivan Entertainments own streaming service called Gazebo TV.
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Speaker 1: I did not know this till last night because it
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Speaker 1: used to be able to be rentable on Amazon. No longer.
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Speaker 1: I will tell you this. It is a free streaming service. However,
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Speaker 1: to watch Anna green Gables, the classics like this one
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Speaker 1: that we're talking about specifically, you do have to buy
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Speaker 1: or rent it. Um, that's the whole thing. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: they have anniversary series and it's very expensive from what
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Speaker 1: I gather, But yes, and if you're interested in what
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Speaker 1: kind of shows they stream, it is very early nineteen
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Speaker 1: hundreds wholesome series. From what I can gather, it seems
10:33
Speaker 1: like it may be the hallmark of Canada type if
10:37
Speaker 1: you like Way Back wind Tills I see. Okay, alright, alright,
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Speaker 1: are you ready for the plot? And I try to
10:45
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to condense this, but I wrote,
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Speaker 1: I'm like I'm so excited. I'm so excited about every partner. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So we're introduced to and Shirley, who was played by
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Speaker 1: Megan Follows, who I've seen it in other things and
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Speaker 1: it would just drag me a because on my bets
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Speaker 1: and why is she that's worth? What's on that's We
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Speaker 1: are introduced to Anne Shirley, an imaginative and talkative orphan
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Speaker 1: who is currently living at the home of the Hammonds,
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Speaker 1: who took her in to help with the house and children,
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Speaker 1: and is treated pretty cruelly by both Mr and Mrs Hammond.
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Speaker 1: But Mr Hammond dies of a heart attack and and
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Speaker 1: is soon seen as an inconvenience and is dropped back
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Speaker 1: off at an orphanage. After six months of being at
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Speaker 1: this said orphanage, we get introduced to Anne's friend or
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Speaker 1: mirror friend, Katie spelled with a k um, and she's
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Speaker 1: given the opportunity to go and live with the Cuthbert's
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Speaker 1: on Prince Edward Island, which has a lot of tourist
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Speaker 1: value at this point in time. I think it's just
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Speaker 1: gorgeous anyway, but yeah, they did a lot for tourism
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Speaker 1: on that one. Um. The Cuthberts are played by Colleen
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Speaker 1: do Hurst who plays Marilla, and Richard Farnsworth who plays Matthew.
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Speaker 1: The best Matthew that ever existed. I just want that
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Speaker 1: to be said. Uh. Soon after arriving, she bonds very
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Speaker 1: quickly with Matthew because he is quiet and likes to
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Speaker 1: be entertained and loves the fact that she just talks
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Speaker 1: and talks and talks, and it's so imaginative and out there. Um.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, he lives with his sister on
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Speaker 1: Green Gables, which is a beautiful piece of farmland. She
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Speaker 1: learns that they had intended on adopting a boy to
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Speaker 1: help around the farm, and not a girl, very very
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Speaker 1: very sad and says, this is a tragical which I love. Um.
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Speaker 1: And she's told that they would have to send her back.
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Speaker 1: The next day, she and Marilla had back to the
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Speaker 1: orphanage to correct the mistake. When Marilla, after being met
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Speaker 1: with her seemingly enemy, has a change of heart and
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Speaker 1: brings her back on a quote trial basis, and the
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Speaker 1: heartwarming adventures truly begin. Um and soon learns to pray,
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Speaker 1: which is a whole scene in itself, just to apologize
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Speaker 1: with flair, and makes friends upon friends upon friends, she
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Speaker 1: meets her bosom buddy, a kindred space it Diana Barry,
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Speaker 1: who is in neighbor in a schoolmate with Raven hair Um.
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Speaker 1: And then she also meets her nemesis and true love,
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Speaker 1: Gilbert whom we all love, who is played by Jonathan Crombie,
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Speaker 1: the best Gilbert there is, I'm so sorry. She excels
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Speaker 1: in her studies and it's often in stiff competition with
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Speaker 1: Gilbert her first place in all the school courses about.
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Speaker 1: Of course, his gravest sin against her is calling her
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Speaker 1: carrots on her first day of school and being very
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Speaker 1: sensitive to her red hair. She breaks a slate over
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Speaker 1: his head uh and apologetically and never talks over again,
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Speaker 1: well for a while anyway. And of course, since she
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Speaker 1: is a poor orphan who has never been a part
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Speaker 1: of a real home life, makes many mistakes along the way,
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Speaker 1: including getting her best friend drunk off of current wine,
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Speaker 1: which was a huge debate during the nineteen hundreds, as
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Speaker 1: you know, alcohol not really uh kind of frown upon,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Because she also confused it
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Speaker 1: for raspberry cordial because she's never had either, and she's
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Speaker 1: a banned from ever see Diane again. Because she has
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Speaker 1: become known as the Troublemaker, a manipulator because she's obviously
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Speaker 1: an orphan who manipulates and lies. Throughout the series, we
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Speaker 1: witness and thriving with her new family and her town,
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Speaker 1: her studies, and her hard work, eventually later to being
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Speaker 1: in the top of her class, being placed in a
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Speaker 1: special class to study forward her interest exams to Queen's
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Speaker 1: Academy in Charlottetown, led by her very supportive and other
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Speaker 1: kindred spirit uh teacher, Miss Muriel Stacy, who uh she
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Speaker 1: almost fed tainted dessert after forgetting to cover the sauce,
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Speaker 1: resulting in mouse drowning in it, also grazing. She was
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Speaker 1: able to save the day when she helps save Diana's
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Speaker 1: sister Minnie May, who was sick with the group and
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Speaker 1: was forgiven it even invited to the Christmas ball yay.
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Speaker 1: Marilla relented after Matthew was able to talk her into it,
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Speaker 1: allowing her to go to the ball, but first he
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Speaker 1: bought her her very own gown with puffed sleeves, very
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Speaker 1: beautiful scene. She soon meets Diana's spinster aunt, very rich
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Speaker 1: aunt Josephine Bay and of course the winds are over
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Speaker 1: with her personality and charm and is invited along with
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Speaker 1: Diana to her home for the exam in Charlottetown. There,
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Speaker 1: she and Diana get to experience the wonders of the
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Speaker 1: city life. Yes arriving back to avonlea summer summer continues,
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Speaker 1: and so do Anne and Diana's adventures. The young ladies
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Speaker 1: decided to take on one of the scenes of Alfred
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Speaker 1: Tennyson's The Lady of Shelot, which she mentions throughout the movie,
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Speaker 1: which Anne plays the lily maid while floating in a
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Speaker 1: dinghy that springs a leak and get stuck in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the waters, but along comes Gilbert to save
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Speaker 1: the day and the forgiveness he has been seeking for
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Speaker 1: so long from the ill fated Carrots Day, and she
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Speaker 1: also finds out that she and Gilbert have tied for
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Speaker 1: first place on the exams, and she becomes the toast
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Speaker 1: of the town. She soon performs at the Hospital of Fundraiser,
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Speaker 1: getting a standing ovation and had an awkward misunderstanding with Gilbert,
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Speaker 1: but then they soon leave for college and there was
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Speaker 1: again she excels at her studies, getting the highest or
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Speaker 1: the Avery Scholarship, beating Gilbert who is second place with Gold,
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Speaker 1: but soon returns home and after she does the tragic death,
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Speaker 1: I can never watch it. I cry. Matthew An decides
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Speaker 1: to stay home with Marilla and start teaching in the
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Speaker 1: nearby town. Gilbert, who was already accepted the teaching position
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Speaker 1: in Avonlea, switches to the two positions so Anne can
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Speaker 1: beat in Avonlea while he travels, and end with a
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Speaker 1: lovely scene on the bridge with Anne and Gilbert with
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Speaker 1: things yet to come seen I've never seen. I've never
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Speaker 1: seen the next one, so I was like, it's over. No,
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Speaker 1: it just stops there. Though, Yes, I adore this movie
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Speaker 1: and everything about it brings me so much comfort. You
16:50
Speaker 1: would think would not because I'm watching it now and
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Speaker 1: I'm like all of the implications about how evil and
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Speaker 1: bad orphans are and essentially like they're just there for servitude.
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Speaker 1: It could have been triggering, but I think I love
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Speaker 1: the fact that she had such a winning personality and
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be her. Um that she just excelled
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Speaker 1: at everything and disproved everything that people were saying about her,
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to be her. Also. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: live in Prince Edward Island and as much as I
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Speaker 1: love her relationship with Gilbert, I loved her relationship with
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Speaker 1: her family and her best friend. Like that to me
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Speaker 1: said everything I wanted growing up, the best friend that
17:28
Speaker 1: I never had, and when I found one, I latched
17:31
Speaker 1: onto him very quickly, as you know. But I felt
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Speaker 1: like it just was so heartwarming and it felt so
17:37
Speaker 1: good to watch that. I had those memories that spring
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Speaker 1: in my head and I adore it, um, And I
17:44
Speaker 1: want to know, what did you think about the movie?
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure what to expect. Um.
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Speaker 1: I'll admit when I saw the three hour runtime, I
17:52
Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, okay, but I didn't think about
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Speaker 1: that at all. No, No, it's all good. Um. I
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Speaker 1: I was beautiful, And I would say hats off to
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Speaker 1: all the actors in it because they really sold it
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Speaker 1: and it was very charming and won me over very quickly,
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Speaker 1: and it was it was kind of like a nice,
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Speaker 1: wholesome like they were definitely mishaps, a lot of mishapps,
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Speaker 1: but the way it did it, it wasn't like I
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Speaker 1: feel like usually in a movie structure, there's like the
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Speaker 1: one terrible thing that happens and then what happened, but
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Speaker 1: you kind of were like there was something about the
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Speaker 1: timing and pacing of it. I guess that I really enjoyed. It.
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Speaker 1: Was like, oh, here's this thing, here's this beat, here's
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Speaker 1: this beat, but with the general understanding like there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be sad stuff, but it's kind of gonna work out.
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Speaker 1: There's definitely some sad things. But and yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: just beautiful and I did love I loved all of
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Speaker 1: the and dramatic nous. I thought was very funny, her
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Speaker 1: quoting and her very like tragical as you said, like
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Speaker 1: things like that. Um No, I really really enjoyed it,
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Speaker 1: and I was sad when it was done. I was like, oh, no,
19:04
Speaker 1: I can tell there's so much more, and there is
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Speaker 1: any there is, but you know, there's a lot of this.
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Speaker 1: When I was looking up all the articles, of course,
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of comparison to the new series
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Speaker 1: to the old and what was happening. Is it better?
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Speaker 1: Is it not better? I do understand. I think, like
19:24
Speaker 1: I said, and with an E was on the darker
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Speaker 1: side exploring apparently she does have PTSD and that's that scene.
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Speaker 1: I know. The book I think was a little more
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Speaker 1: dark than the actual nine eight five series. From what
19:37
Speaker 1: I gathered trigger warning y'all for child abuse, that he
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Speaker 1: dies Mr Hammond at the beginning dies while he was
19:44
Speaker 1: whipping her. So in the movie he dies while he's
19:47
Speaker 1: yelling at his employees, So it wasn't really noted to
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Speaker 1: that level. So yeah, I mean that's pretty horrendous um
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Speaker 1: in itself. And again, like I said, about any of
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Speaker 1: these movies, and like The Savior Child or The Good
20:03
Speaker 1: Child or whatever, they may be okay, but they would
20:06
Speaker 1: have had to have a lot of therapy because there's
20:08
Speaker 1: a lot of trauma there um that we would need
20:11
Speaker 1: to look at. But they kind of glazes over that,
20:14
Speaker 1: which I think maybe part of the appeal for me
20:17
Speaker 1: as well, my man, I wish I would have had
20:18
Speaker 1: none of the baggage, just this happiness and hope. But yes,
20:21
Speaker 1: there's a lot of articles out there about why I
20:24
Speaker 1: touched so many people. There's even an article and we're
20:26
Speaker 1: gonna talk about a little more about the feminism of
20:29
Speaker 1: and the Green Gables more of the novel, but we
20:31
Speaker 1: kind of can extrapolate and put that into the film
20:34
Speaker 1: because it had that same intention because even though the
20:39
Speaker 1: romances there, it's really not a big plot. It's a
20:42
Speaker 1: side plot, and I love that me too. It was
20:46
Speaker 1: certainly like I, as you said, the relationship with the
20:49
Speaker 1: family and her friend Diana were the hearts of it
20:54
Speaker 1: to me, and I really enjoyed that as well, that
20:58
Speaker 1: it was sort of like maybe this room, the saying
21:00
Speaker 1: will happen, maybe it won't, but this is the important
21:02
Speaker 1: I want my bosom friend and I want to find
21:03
Speaker 1: my friends like I love it. I love it. Yeah,
21:07
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and talk about the themes of
21:09
Speaker 1: this movie. And again, it's such a long movie. There's
21:12
Speaker 1: so many things that we can pull apart and pull out,
21:14
Speaker 1: but we do want to focus on specific things that
21:16
Speaker 1: uh meant a lot to us. And I think it's
21:19
Speaker 1: important to talk about which women as their own heroines,
21:23
Speaker 1: which I really really loved this bit. And I'm going
21:26
Speaker 1: to read from that study I was telling you about,
21:28
Speaker 1: which talks about the feminism of Anne green Gables, because
21:31
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that they talked about how
21:34
Speaker 1: this was not antonen Gables, It's not considered feminists by
21:38
Speaker 1: most part. No one really say that. They just think
21:40
Speaker 1: that it's a classic and you move on. Um, but
21:43
Speaker 1: when you could look at again the look at the
21:45
Speaker 1: heroines and the independence in here that we see, and
21:47
Speaker 1: we'n talk a little more about that, that these women
21:49
Speaker 1: kind of work for themselves. And I think about that
21:52
Speaker 1: with Miss Stacy. I think about that, which we'll get
21:56
Speaker 1: to revisit her next season, the next one along uh
22:00
Speaker 1: I think about her in that way. Even Rachel Lynn,
22:02
Speaker 1: who is the busybody, but she is kind of the
22:05
Speaker 1: heroine of her own household. That makes sense, the leader
22:09
Speaker 1: of that Marilla making her own pathways like and having
22:13
Speaker 1: a successful life even if it doesn't seem fulfilled. As
22:17
Speaker 1: well as uh ms ms Barry the spinster, who was
22:21
Speaker 1: fine and happy on her own. Yeah. Yeah, there were
22:24
Speaker 1: plenty of examples of women who were unmarried not really
22:29
Speaker 1: portrayed a romantic light, like miss Barry the spinster who
22:36
Speaker 1: and kind of made friends with says, you know, sometimes
22:40
Speaker 1: I wish things have been different because she had been
22:43
Speaker 1: so focused on money or whatever. So it's not like
22:46
Speaker 1: it was painted as this is so much better. But
22:48
Speaker 1: it was interesting to see so many portrayals of women
22:54
Speaker 1: without men, or even if they had a man wasn't
22:58
Speaker 1: really the focus or in the picture, and it wasn't
23:01
Speaker 1: like it seemed kind of but it could have gone there,
23:04
Speaker 1: but they don't. Um, but yeah, one of the things
23:06
Speaker 1: that we talked about about, like, yeah, I would see
23:09
Speaker 1: like her being her own hero, kind of making her
23:12
Speaker 1: own pathway, being a forward feminist thinking in and in
23:18
Speaker 1: this text they talked about they actually quote say, for
23:21
Speaker 1: a long time, it's so called girls stories like this one,
23:25
Speaker 1: we're not recognized as literary texts and ignored by most
23:29
Speaker 1: literary scholars. Whereas children's literature in general was a subject
23:33
Speaker 1: to scholarly studies, girls stories were often overlooked by critics,
23:37
Speaker 1: most of whom were male. And I think that's really
23:39
Speaker 1: true because as much as we go back and forth
23:43
Speaker 1: about the old tilt, we talked about higgets romantic size
23:46
Speaker 1: and then pushed to the side as romance, so therefore
23:49
Speaker 1: is not literary. Of course, we still call it classes
23:53
Speaker 1: today it would come a long way, but at that
23:55
Speaker 1: point in time, it really wasn't. And here's a children's
23:57
Speaker 1: story that talks about up and coming child wild who
24:00
Speaker 1: focuses on herself for the first book. From what I understand,
24:04
Speaker 1: but in this first movie not being really seen as
24:07
Speaker 1: serious and or a model for other girls, which I
24:12
Speaker 1: find interesting because that's not true. Like what if we
24:15
Speaker 1: look at the character of Anna green Gables, it spawned
24:18
Speaker 1: a big fan hood, Like it may not be to
24:21
Speaker 1: the level that we see with Harry Potter or Twilight
24:24
Speaker 1: today because we don't swim over characters and or maybe
24:27
Speaker 1: that's not a magical world, but there was a die
24:30
Speaker 1: hard fandom. I was a part of it of Anna
24:33
Speaker 1: green Gables, and I love that we have for this
24:37
Speaker 1: and seeing these women are seeing these characters as heroes.
24:53
Speaker 1: One of the things that stood out to me, and
24:56
Speaker 1: we've talked about this recently. Ums, I kept waiting for
24:59
Speaker 1: the other shooter drop with like Anne was so good
25:03
Speaker 1: at her studies, she was so smart, So I kept
25:06
Speaker 1: waiting for Diana to be like, I can't be your
25:09
Speaker 1: friend anymore other than the cordial incident, but like her personally. Um,
25:15
Speaker 1: and you did have that one character what was her name, Josephine?
25:18
Speaker 1: There was the one character, yes, but otherwise like, yeah,
25:24
Speaker 1: you got the teacher who's a woman who's supportive of
25:27
Speaker 1: and and like, no, you're so smart, we can make
25:29
Speaker 1: this happen. You've got miss Barry and you've got Diana.
25:32
Speaker 1: And I liked that they were all like, no, you're
25:34
Speaker 1: so we want to see how far you can go,
25:36
Speaker 1: like we're gonna support you. And there was also the
25:40
Speaker 1: scene with Diana where she was like, no, I like
25:42
Speaker 1: Gilbert too, and I was like, oh, here it comes.
25:44
Speaker 1: But it was much more like, no, it's okay, like
25:48
Speaker 1: if you're interested. I didn't know if you were interested.
25:51
Speaker 1: I liked it. I appreciated it. Yeah, there's a love
25:54
Speaker 1: there in the bond. But that's the other part, is
25:56
Speaker 1: like being honest and communicating together. That's yeah. Also, she
26:01
Speaker 1: saved someone's life. She saved many because she had been
26:04
Speaker 1: through so many trials and knew how to take care
26:06
Speaker 1: of children. She was able to save this child's life.
26:09
Speaker 1: And it's a gorgeous, gorgeous look at what she can
26:11
Speaker 1: do um as someone who has always had to fend
26:14
Speaker 1: for herself. I also had an issue, and I do
26:17
Speaker 1: want to come back and say, how did that kid
26:19
Speaker 1: cry like that? Like I don't think that is a
26:22
Speaker 1: good an actor like that? Did they do something to
26:24
Speaker 1: make her cry like that? I've always thought that, I
26:27
Speaker 1: know slide in the back of my head. I'm like,
26:29
Speaker 1: I hope that kid's okay. But then we move on
26:34
Speaker 1: to of course, the obvious at the very beginning is
26:37
Speaker 1: the orphaned person, because that's a big thing when it
26:39
Speaker 1: comes to stories like this, feel good stories, whatever whatnot. Um,
26:43
Speaker 1: this one has a little more heavy leaning and understanding
26:45
Speaker 1: that they were seen as property and or brought into
26:49
Speaker 1: uh to be a servant in the home or a
26:52
Speaker 1: caretaker in the home to lighten the load, not necessarily
26:55
Speaker 1: to care for UM. And I don't think that attitude
26:58
Speaker 1: was a common in the early nine eight hundreds. That
27:03
Speaker 1: was a thing, and unfortunately children were used and abused
27:06
Speaker 1: and all that. Of course we don't get into that
27:09
Speaker 1: too much, just just the implication of that. So of
27:13
Speaker 1: course we are so excited to see her grow out
27:16
Speaker 1: of that, but we do see that conversation happening, especially
27:19
Speaker 1: during the Industrial Revolution when we talk about all of
27:21
Speaker 1: that as well. But then for a specifically, as you mentioned,
27:25
Speaker 1: the red head stigma of the early nighte it was everywhere,
27:31
Speaker 1: and again because I have my friend Katie and because
27:34
Speaker 1: she experienced this so much, every time, I was like,
27:37
Speaker 1: oh there, yeah, there, it is all there it is,
27:40
Speaker 1: and it kind of it did make me sad because
27:42
Speaker 1: it was clear she didn't turnalize it. Yeah, it was
27:47
Speaker 1: just desperate for She tried to dye her hair and
27:50
Speaker 1: it went horribly awry. It was so cute when she
27:54
Speaker 1: cut it. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, so she
27:57
Speaker 1: died it. She tried to die it black, right, and
28:00
Speaker 1: then it went green, went green, so she had to
28:06
Speaker 1: cut it and it was super cute and she cut it.
28:08
Speaker 1: But I know, like when you're I don't want to
28:13
Speaker 1: diminish anything at all, because like when you're a kid,
28:16
Speaker 1: those kinds of things are huge. That's so big and
28:20
Speaker 1: so can hurt so bad and so embarrassing, and even
28:23
Speaker 1: as an adult, but I just know, I think as
28:25
Speaker 1: adults we tend to dismiss that kind of stuff, but
28:28
Speaker 1: it is huge, it is we shouldn't dismiss it. But yeah,
28:32
Speaker 1: for her to have that kind of constant and that's
28:34
Speaker 1: what my friend had said, like it's the first thing
28:36
Speaker 1: people say when they meet her all the time. It's
28:38
Speaker 1: like about your hair. And clearly for Ann it had
28:42
Speaker 1: been stigmatized. It was something she didn't like about herself.
28:47
Speaker 1: It felt like it made her ugly. And so when
28:50
Speaker 1: it was like constantly brought up, Uh, you just got
28:55
Speaker 1: to see this very angry side of Anne. But also
29:00
Speaker 1: the insecure side, the insecurity of having it constantly brought up.
29:05
Speaker 1: I mean she has a temper, She does not hold back.
29:08
Speaker 1: We know this. She defends herself and I appreciate that. Yeah,
29:11
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I mean she and she's got away with words.
29:15
Speaker 1: So as you said, like we get to see it's
29:18
Speaker 1: kind of fun to get her to like really give
29:20
Speaker 1: like Rachel Lynn for instance, like really cutter down this size. Yes,
29:25
Speaker 1: but then to see her kind of do her like
29:27
Speaker 1: apology that she I won't say it's like fake, but
29:31
Speaker 1: she's doing it as an act because she loves like
29:33
Speaker 1: the dramatics of language and putting words together. Like to
29:37
Speaker 1: see that kind of dichotomy and Rachel Lynn being totally
29:41
Speaker 1: like buying it is very fun. It is uh. And
29:45
Speaker 1: then of course with the orphan girl is the idea
29:47
Speaker 1: that she's wild and untamable, which kind of isn't implied
29:52
Speaker 1: by Rachel Lynn at the very beginning talking about she's
29:54
Speaker 1: just wild and oh my gosh, that's so rude and
29:57
Speaker 1: I'm so uncivilized. We see that, and that's kind of
30:01
Speaker 1: that thing is kind of what we see. That's always
30:03
Speaker 1: a part of her which wants to run free, the
30:06
Speaker 1: just independence that has always been her. As much as
30:10
Speaker 1: she wants to belong, she also wants to be free.
30:13
Speaker 1: Is that conversation, which we find out more into the sequel.
30:15
Speaker 1: I'm just saying another part of this, and I don't know.
30:20
Speaker 1: I think you and I have talked about how growing
30:22
Speaker 1: up we would make we would make believe specific errors.
30:25
Speaker 1: For me, I loved nineteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. For me,
30:29
Speaker 1: I would imagine what it would be like to write
30:31
Speaker 1: by candlelight, which sounds horrible because I can't see today,
30:34
Speaker 1: so I don't think that's great. But as a kid
30:37
Speaker 1: like I had those long dresses and sitting by the
30:39
Speaker 1: fire and not having electricity, what that would be like?
30:43
Speaker 1: Which was this? So between this and Little Women, I
30:45
Speaker 1: was really caught up. But I love that this is
30:49
Speaker 1: a part of Anne's world where she has so much imagination,
30:52
Speaker 1: which she talks about as a strength and it is,
30:55
Speaker 1: and where everybody else tried to take that away from her,
30:58
Speaker 1: telling her to get her heads out of the cloud.
31:00
Speaker 1: Its unrealistic expectations, but she lives in and loves it,
31:04
Speaker 1: thrives in it, and it's been something that has been
31:07
Speaker 1: able to carry her on through all the bad parts
31:10
Speaker 1: even when people are mean, and she honestly talks about
31:12
Speaker 1: the fact that when Rachel Lynne doesn't have any imagination
31:15
Speaker 1: and she doesn't can't understand why these bad things may
31:18
Speaker 1: happen or these things that happened, but she does, and
31:20
Speaker 1: so she's there, she's able to have compassion on people.
31:24
Speaker 1: You know, That's what she kind of implies. We see
31:27
Speaker 1: her talking about how rich people don't have much imaginations
31:29
Speaker 1: because they don't have to dream it up, because they
31:32
Speaker 1: have it in the illusion. Like I love that theme
31:36
Speaker 1: so much, and growing up in my own trauma and
31:40
Speaker 1: I know you know this, that's what we did. We
31:42
Speaker 1: had to have imagination to survive the next day. Yeah,
31:46
Speaker 1: And I really loved that too, because I love how
31:51
Speaker 1: I feel like the imagination we see depicted in children.
31:55
Speaker 1: A lot in movies, we do see kind of the
31:57
Speaker 1: like trauma, I'm imagining my way out, definitely, But a
32:00
Speaker 1: lot of times I liked how Anne had this kind
32:03
Speaker 1: of like you don't even have the imagination to imagine
32:06
Speaker 1: the bad part of this. She was kind of looking
32:09
Speaker 1: at both. She was like, I can imagine much better,
32:12
Speaker 1: I can imagine much worse, and you can't imagine either.
32:14
Speaker 1: You have no writing. Yeah, so I really appreciated, right.
32:19
Speaker 1: And she created a friend, Katherine with a k because
32:25
Speaker 1: she needed someone. And she talks about wanting to be
32:27
Speaker 1: in that world, wanted to be in the mirror world,
32:30
Speaker 1: and how beautiful that would be. And this is what
32:33
Speaker 1: she did to survive, especially six months of being uh
32:37
Speaker 1: in an orphanage which would never hear her talk about
32:39
Speaker 1: again after beating Diana, which is gorgeous and beautiful. I
32:42
Speaker 1: love it, um. And of course another big part of
32:45
Speaker 1: this is family finding, family finding belonging, with both Marilla
32:51
Speaker 1: and Matthew having two sides of the same coin, one
32:54
Speaker 1: really tough but still loving, one really kind hearted but quiet.
32:57
Speaker 1: Like just having that in our life it is sgic
33:00
Speaker 1: wargeous picture. I just really like the fact that there
33:03
Speaker 1: is an unconventional family who found balance. Yeah. I liked
33:07
Speaker 1: that too, because if at first, and I blame heteronormative material,
33:13
Speaker 1: I assumed that they were together like Matthew and Marilla, um,
33:17
Speaker 1: and then I found out Marilla's got this kind of
33:20
Speaker 1: tragic like love story in her past and brother and sister.
33:25
Speaker 1: I like how Matthew was pretty immediately like no, I think,
33:29
Speaker 1: and it would be good for us, it seems to
33:31
Speaker 1: kind of know Marilla will arrive at the same the
33:35
Speaker 1: same understanding. But it was cool, it was it was Yeah,
33:39
Speaker 1: it was just a really good like foil for each
33:42
Speaker 1: other because Matthew was so quiet, but he was much
33:44
Speaker 1: more like openly entertained, whereas Marilla was more outspoken, kind
33:49
Speaker 1: of like hiding her affection and her entertainment and and
33:53
Speaker 1: of course it's just like open everything. Um, so those
34:00
Speaker 1: in connected. Yeah, it was. It was a lovely thing
34:05
Speaker 1: to see, um and it was very I liked seeing
34:11
Speaker 1: all of them interact with each other and kind of
34:13
Speaker 1: grow with each other. And I love the like eventual fondness,
34:19
Speaker 1: like with Matthew was always there, but eventually it kind
34:22
Speaker 1: of became more, oh, I'll get her this dress, even
34:25
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed and I don't know what to do
34:27
Speaker 1: because Anne really wants it. And with marill ity became
34:30
Speaker 1: much more like from how do you get in all
34:33
Speaker 1: these troubles child? To how do you get like a
34:36
Speaker 1: fond like how did you would say? Door? Fun facts?
34:42
Speaker 1: Now this is I cannot remember where I found this
34:44
Speaker 1: or if I watched this doing one of the behind
34:46
Speaker 1: the scene things, but apparently the act was Colleen Dhurst
34:49
Speaker 1: was someone vulgar and would kind of like make jokes
34:52
Speaker 1: and and like and laugh and like all these things
34:55
Speaker 1: behind the scene and because really loved her, which I
34:59
Speaker 1: believe even Megan follows with sixteen, so she was pretty young.
35:02
Speaker 1: She was playing eleven twelve year old, so older, but
35:05
Speaker 1: not the significant that we've seen. By the next sequel,
35:09
Speaker 1: she plays an eighteen nineteen year old, so she kind
35:11
Speaker 1: of fits into that. She even looks older than though
35:12
Speaker 1: I don't even know how um she fits that ah
35:16
Speaker 1: h range at that point in time, but apparently, like
35:18
Speaker 1: that's what I had read. No, don't quote me on that,
35:21
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure I read that she was kind
35:23
Speaker 1: of one of those people because she was a famous
35:25
Speaker 1: stage actress, and she was a famous actress at that point,
35:28
Speaker 1: already calling Dewhurst um. And then for Farnsworth, who played Matthew,
35:33
Speaker 1: he was actually a stuntman and this was one of
35:37
Speaker 1: his first acting gigs and eventually he did to win awards,
35:40
Speaker 1: but still best Matthew. I still hold to that, so
35:46
Speaker 1: good um. And then yes, we couldn't not talking about
35:49
Speaker 1: the friendships, the friendship she had been aching for because
35:53
Speaker 1: she had been so alone and she just knew it
35:56
Speaker 1: existed and it was out there and it was She
35:59
Speaker 1: built so many good bonds, but Diana her bosom, kindred spirit.
36:05
Speaker 1: I love the relationship so so much, and poor Diane,
36:09
Speaker 1: I felt like she was like, what is happening? And
36:12
Speaker 1: who is this girl? Yeah? I love it too because
36:15
Speaker 1: it reminded me of when I was nine years old.
36:19
Speaker 1: I lived in a small town. Our houses at that
36:23
Speaker 1: time were pretty spread apart in the area I've lived in.
36:26
Speaker 1: And my friend Katie the Redheaded I've been talking about
36:29
Speaker 1: she when I was nine, she moved into a house
36:32
Speaker 1: that was near me, and I swear like I was like,
36:34
Speaker 1: what is her phone number? I need to call her.
36:37
Speaker 1: We're going to hang out, We're going to be best friends.
36:40
Speaker 1: Like so this scene where Anne was like, we're going
36:42
Speaker 1: to be best friends and Diana is kind of like
36:45
Speaker 1: what I feel like I did that. I feel like
36:47
Speaker 1: I lived that and we're still best friends. Um, and
36:51
Speaker 1: I love it, And I think like we get so
36:53
Speaker 1: many depictions of poor friendships between women in media, but
36:58
Speaker 1: it's clear, like this longing is real for that like
37:02
Speaker 1: your kindred spirit, your soul mate, who is a friend.
37:06
Speaker 1: Friendships between women. Um, and I loved it. Like I said,
37:11
Speaker 1: I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, and
37:13
Speaker 1: it really didn't. They were solid friendship, they were bosom friends.
37:20
Speaker 1: They're amazing. My favorite saying is the walking in the
37:24
Speaker 1: forest after she falls off the roof scene. Yeah, the
37:28
Speaker 1: way that she scares herself, it is so fantastic. I
37:31
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know about you. I'm sure you
37:34
Speaker 1: have many stories. But I had a friend of mine.
37:36
Speaker 1: We would do silly things like that that would cause
37:39
Speaker 1: us to get into trouble or make some make belief
37:41
Speaker 1: thing and I loved it. And I missed those days
37:45
Speaker 1: a little bit, not not enough to actually call them,
37:47
Speaker 1: but you know stuff like that that is like wow, imagination,
37:52
Speaker 1: the things that bond you do. Oh yeah, I mean
37:55
Speaker 1: me and my friend Katie would go on the woods
37:56
Speaker 1: and we would literally like take turns, tell each other
38:00
Speaker 1: about the sand creature under the leaves and it's coming
38:03
Speaker 1: and I can't hear you like it was so fun.
38:06
Speaker 1: It was such like glorious. We spent a whole afternoon
38:09
Speaker 1: just doing that and there was nothing there. It was right,
38:12
Speaker 1: there was nothing. It was just your imagination, which we love.
38:15
Speaker 1: But also I love her usage of kindred spirit, Like
38:18
Speaker 1: I love those terms so much. I think that would
38:20
Speaker 1: be the vibe check now, because if I passed the check.
38:23
Speaker 1: But I'm just kidding. But like the kindred spirits, the
38:27
Speaker 1: idea that you can connect with a person and though
38:29
Speaker 1: that you may not be able to see it the
38:31
Speaker 1: way or you connect, they are the one who is
38:34
Speaker 1: on the same level as you and in spirit with you.
38:36
Speaker 1: And that's I just love that, so I do too,
38:40
Speaker 1: and I again like I also love None of that
38:44
Speaker 1: was in the romantic context. All of that was just
38:47
Speaker 1: the no, we are yeah, we are on the same level,
38:51
Speaker 1: we are connecting, and it was all women from my memory. Yeah, No,
38:58
Speaker 1: Matthew was a kindred spirit. Oh Matthew mm hmm. Yeah.
39:01
Speaker 1: But there's nothing romantic, definitely, like it's a connection and
39:06
Speaker 1: understanding that you you get get my ways. Yes, the
39:12
Speaker 1: level of the small town, the conversations, you know, the
39:14
Speaker 1: first scene, like the third fourth scene at the beginning,
39:18
Speaker 1: we see Rachel Lynn watching Matthew in his suit traveling
39:22
Speaker 1: not on a Sunday with a pipe. Oh my god,
39:25
Speaker 1: what's happening? Mm hmmmm. And then that's kind of the
39:28
Speaker 1: kerfuffle at the end with Gilbert and Anne is that
39:32
Speaker 1: he offered her to her ride. She accepted it. Then
39:36
Speaker 1: he offered her like, I'll take you to this concert
39:38
Speaker 1: she was going to perform at. She accepted it, and
39:41
Speaker 1: then it was like the talk of the town and
39:43
Speaker 1: she was like, oh no, never mind, I won't go
39:45
Speaker 1: with him, Diana, give him this note. I'm not going. Yeah,
39:51
Speaker 1: but that's I mean, I know it kind of like
39:54
Speaker 1: you know Bingo cards, Sinti Bingo card would be me
39:56
Speaker 1: and Samantha from a small town. But it is like
40:00
Speaker 1: these things are true and real and they influence your decisions.
40:06
Speaker 1: I remember my mother saying, so I heard you were
40:09
Speaker 1: driving a little too fast in town. We need to
40:11
Speaker 1: talk about what it's like the tiniest like I heard
40:17
Speaker 1: you get the milkshake at Windy's or whatever. You shouldn't
40:21
Speaker 1: be doing that, And it's like who saw me? How
40:24
Speaker 1: told on me? Who's not right? But I do love that.
40:28
Speaker 1: And then we have the independent woman old maid the
40:31
Speaker 1: slashes Quora, how you look get it? And we talked
40:33
Speaker 1: about it before about all those strong, really independent women
40:38
Speaker 1: who still has a lingering of guilt. So we're gonna
40:40
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that this is like the feminism
40:42
Speaker 1: probably of the like Montgomery, we did want to establish
40:46
Speaker 1: probably these characters I could be wrong in being alone,
40:50
Speaker 1: but they could not be completely happy, because at that
40:52
Speaker 1: point in time, you really a single woman should not
40:55
Speaker 1: be correct right right. It was definitely as I said, Um,
40:59
Speaker 1: the older Mrs Ms Barry Um said, like, you know,
41:04
Speaker 1: I got the money, but sometimes that's not sometimes I missed.
41:07
Speaker 1: I think I missed out, or that's not everything. And
41:10
Speaker 1: I felt like the implication was maybe you should look
41:12
Speaker 1: at Gilbert and maybe I'm wrong, and that that's a
41:15
Speaker 1: fine like opinion to have. But then there was also
41:17
Speaker 1: throughout kind of this understanding of if you pursue your
41:21
Speaker 1: independence as a woman, you won't get the man. So
41:26
Speaker 1: even like there were plenty of independent women throughout, which
41:29
Speaker 1: I loved, but the implication also was like they're independent,
41:33
Speaker 1: so they couldn't get the man. And then also throughout
41:37
Speaker 1: there was this kind of like with Anne, I'd rather
41:40
Speaker 1: be beautiful than smart, Like you can't be both. You
41:43
Speaker 1: have to be beautiful or smart. So I feel like
41:48
Speaker 1: this is kind of the early understanding of a woman
41:52
Speaker 1: can't have it all, she has to either be kind
41:54
Speaker 1: of that the homemaker beautiful to get the man, or
41:59
Speaker 1: the independ smart woman who will never get the man.
42:02
Speaker 1: And this is all very heteronormative, and I don't I
42:05
Speaker 1: don't believe this, but this is right. But this is
42:08
Speaker 1: the hundreds. And when we talk about and we will
42:10
Speaker 1: talk about Jane Austen, that was that similar phase as well.
42:14
Speaker 1: But we know that Jane Austen's history was a little dark,
42:17
Speaker 1: uh in her own life because of that very conversation
42:21
Speaker 1: about uh, not necessarily that you can't have it all,
42:23
Speaker 1: but more so that women are not going to survive
42:25
Speaker 1: without a man and if you try to do that,
42:27
Speaker 1: you're going to fail. So it's it's so therefore trying
42:31
Speaker 1: to be that way with the most independence that you
42:33
Speaker 1: can have, which is what she's trying to do. You
42:36
Speaker 1: see this in the same way, Miss Stacey is a
42:38
Speaker 1: prime example of coming in her loving her life, or
42:42
Speaker 1: a looking up to her and seeing her as a
42:44
Speaker 1: role model, and then Miss Stacy saying, I have my
42:47
Speaker 1: own troubles. We don't know what those troubles are, but
42:51
Speaker 1: she's gone and we know that it pretty much ran
42:55
Speaker 1: her out of Avonlea for what reason we don't know,
42:58
Speaker 1: but she was one of the best teachers for what
43:00
Speaker 1: we can tell that was there. Um. I mean the
43:03
Speaker 1: dude before was literally courting one of the women, one
43:06
Speaker 1: of the kids, and although it was frowned upon eventually,
43:17
Speaker 1: but it was like wow, okay um and he did
43:21
Speaker 1: not like Anne, but he knew she was smart. Like
43:24
Speaker 1: all of those things, like we know that that's what happened.
43:26
Speaker 1: We know that there's an implication here. Marilla says, the
43:30
Speaker 1: same people people talk about her behind her back for
43:32
Speaker 1: losing lob essentially not as much just on Matthew, even
43:36
Speaker 1: though he is alone, but you know whatever, um on.
43:40
Speaker 1: On top of that, I do love the scene where
43:44
Speaker 1: miss Stacy comes and talks to them about the dead
43:46
Speaker 1: mouth scene about her doing the extra classes, and Marilla says,
43:50
Speaker 1: I've always thought that a young woman should have should
43:55
Speaker 1: be prepared to make their own living, just in case
43:58
Speaker 1: in these uncertain times, which I'm like, that's nineteen hundreds.
44:01
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and Marolla, you are really progressive. But yeah,
44:07
Speaker 1: you're right. That was a conversation too. Through out of
44:11
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of that small town like
44:14
Speaker 1: talking behind people's backs, and for Marilla to be alone
44:18
Speaker 1: and to have like lost this love clearly people were
44:22
Speaker 1: kind of talking about it and sort of raising their eyebrow. Okay,
44:30
Speaker 1: like I'm becoming you are now I can't I can't
44:33
Speaker 1: stop it. And you know, also, I love that they
44:36
Speaker 1: actually do focus on Anne's academics on all of that,
44:39
Speaker 1: like they do push her to become more and they
44:42
Speaker 1: are celebrating her for being so smart. There's no conversation
44:45
Speaker 1: about you're not gonna give man if you're too smart.
44:48
Speaker 1: Well kind of of course, Rachel has one word to say,
44:51
Speaker 1: but then Marilla cuts her off very quickly. But outside
44:55
Speaker 1: of that, people celebrate this. People are pushing hard to
44:58
Speaker 1: be this. This is competition is yours, and people are celebrating,
45:02
Speaker 1: including Gilbert, including Gilbert, including Gilbert. And I mean again,
45:08
Speaker 1: when I was like, oh this is from early Ninetreds,
45:10
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, because at that time, I'm
45:14
Speaker 1: that was pretty uncommon to see her to year and
45:18
Speaker 1: there was certainly like a layer of like it was
45:22
Speaker 1: very minimal, actually, but there was a layer of like, wow,
45:24
Speaker 1: look what she can do is like an orphan and
45:26
Speaker 1: a woman. But mostly it was just like, yeah, you
45:30
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I'm talking about how she's doing. Avonulee
45:35
Speaker 1: proud and she is go ahead. Um, but I love that.
45:40
Speaker 1: I think that's It's like, it is so progressive for
45:44
Speaker 1: a time being. Again, if this is different in the books,
45:47
Speaker 1: please let us know, because I do want to know.
45:48
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too far for it far string
45:51
Speaker 1: for this one. But I love that whole avenue that
45:55
Speaker 1: she loves studying, she loves being on top, and she's
45:58
Speaker 1: going to be on top. Oh yeah, which leads into like,
46:03
Speaker 1: this is the feminism in nineteen hundred's right. So the
46:05
Speaker 1: conversation in this paper that I am talking about, uh,
46:09
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that yes, she celebrates her being
46:13
Speaker 1: independent and a little bit wild and doing her own
46:15
Speaker 1: thing and being imaginative, but eventually still comes to as
46:19
Speaker 1: as she grows accustomed to society and cultural norms, she
46:23
Speaker 1: does settle into I just I'm just going to be
46:26
Speaker 1: a teacher, staying at home and settling down and spoiler alert.
46:30
Speaker 1: In the books, Mary's Gilbert and has children and that's
46:35
Speaker 1: her story. That's that does not sound into the story,
46:37
Speaker 1: But she does end up these ways which she was
46:40
Speaker 1: so fearful of of, partially in in other ways. So
46:45
Speaker 1: it's really interesting to see. But it's kind of how
46:48
Speaker 1: we'll talk about and how I see it with Jane Austen.
46:52
Speaker 1: For what it was, it's revolutionary, but for today Sanders
46:56
Speaker 1: is not so great in itself. But they also talk
47:12
Speaker 1: about the idea of eco feminism and a being Gables,
47:16
Speaker 1: giving up the connection to nature and becoming a proper lady.
47:21
Speaker 1: So the idea as you let go of the natural
47:23
Speaker 1: wild person, the untainted from civilized society quote unquote, to
47:29
Speaker 1: become a part of the norm, to be a proper lady.
47:34
Speaker 1: And so they kind of have this whole breakdown, Uh
47:36
Speaker 1: it's a Swedish paper by the way about it, and
47:39
Speaker 1: they break down the orphan any of the young any
47:41
Speaker 1: to adult Annie and how it has changed her. Um
47:46
Speaker 1: the idea that's combining feminist aspects and ecocritical aspects that
47:50
Speaker 1: in order to argue that as wilderness a quote as
47:54
Speaker 1: wildness and her fearless freedom for society's pressing judgments are
47:57
Speaker 1: highly connected to her own connection to nature. So it
48:00
Speaker 1: has this whole level of of her and and like
48:03
Speaker 1: when you see her come into Avon Lee, she's like,
48:06
Speaker 1: oh my God, like she is actually awestruck for a
48:10
Speaker 1: second about the beauties of it and when we talk
48:12
Speaker 1: about her going into the city life, quote unquote, she
48:15
Speaker 1: talks about how she misses and longs for the sounds
48:19
Speaker 1: and the quietness of Avon Lee. But the fact, like
48:22
Speaker 1: the comparing her when she was not a part of
48:25
Speaker 1: society and when she was not a proper lady and
48:26
Speaker 1: she was just a wild orphan versus what happens to
48:30
Speaker 1: her when she does become that Does her feminism change
48:33
Speaker 1: a little bit? Has that taken that away from her
48:36
Speaker 1: and this big like part of who she is in society?
48:40
Speaker 1: Has she came to herself it kind of stepped away
48:43
Speaker 1: from her feminism to become a part of the patriarch,
48:47
Speaker 1: which is the discidal norm of that time and today
48:52
Speaker 1: even And I found that very interesting in this conversation
48:55
Speaker 1: because again when we talk about the academics of and
49:00
Speaker 1: in her her pursuits and again you'll see and in
49:04
Speaker 1: the sequel, of course, this is talking about the books,
49:06
Speaker 1: but in the sequel of the movie, Yeah, it kind
49:09
Speaker 1: of explores that longing to be independent and to travel
49:12
Speaker 1: and to be adventurous. But then coming back to but
49:18
Speaker 1: what am I missing? Yeah, I think that that is
49:24
Speaker 1: the question Smith. I think that is a question that
49:26
Speaker 1: is huge for a lot of of women that we've
49:31
Speaker 1: talked about before, because like they are just certain structural,
49:36
Speaker 1: systemic things that are hard to escape. And I think
49:44
Speaker 1: that it's, you know, if you want to you find somebody,
49:51
Speaker 1: you love them in this head or nord of sense,
49:54
Speaker 1: a man and a woman, you love them, you get married.
49:56
Speaker 1: We can't deny that there are still structural thing things
50:00
Speaker 1: in favor of the man and the relationship and the woman.
50:03
Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard to escape. I guess that's
50:07
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so when you talk about like
50:10
Speaker 1: the city life, it almost feels like you're talking about, oh,
50:14
Speaker 1: how do I fit into these structures that we have
50:17
Speaker 1: in place? And for this in particular, there's sort of
50:22
Speaker 1: this dichotomy of her like you know, at Green Gables
50:27
Speaker 1: in the wild Um, being very like independent and then
50:33
Speaker 1: her going in to the city, which she also likes,
50:36
Speaker 1: since she says and she wants to experience those things,
50:38
Speaker 1: but it requires a certain level of conformity to not
50:42
Speaker 1: be like shunned from society, right, and absolutely I think
50:48
Speaker 1: that's kind of her whole thing is to fit in.
50:51
Speaker 1: But if she's going to be seeing she wants to
50:54
Speaker 1: be seen in the best light, UM, and what does
50:57
Speaker 1: that look like in this type of society? UH want
51:00
Speaker 1: to go into one thing that this paper says. It
51:03
Speaker 1: says another thing that appears in the novel is the
51:06
Speaker 1: wish to fit in, um, to be normal. Regarding this,
51:10
Speaker 1: one can also see strong connection between women and nature
51:13
Speaker 1: and was forced to cave to society both regarding the
51:16
Speaker 1: feminists and the eco critical aspects of her life and
51:18
Speaker 1: adapt accordingly. Again, this is about the novel, but I
51:22
Speaker 1: think it's chosen the movie and just kind of that
51:23
Speaker 1: theme and in general about like I am my own
51:26
Speaker 1: person and don't take my spirit from me. By the
51:28
Speaker 1: same time, yes, I do have to acclimate and or
51:31
Speaker 1: stand out and the best way possible, right, Yeah, exactly,
51:36
Speaker 1: because I think she it was a very fine line
51:40
Speaker 1: she was walking, because the reason she got a lot
51:44
Speaker 1: of the attention she did was because she didn't fit in.
51:47
Speaker 1: And so especially like I'm thinking of the older Ms.
51:50
Speaker 1: Barry who's like, oh you make me laugh, Oh, and
51:53
Speaker 1: I really like you. You speak your mind, and a
51:55
Speaker 1: lot of people in this city life don't. But then
51:57
Speaker 1: at the same time it was her having to figure out,
52:03
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do these things without having to
52:09
Speaker 1: do this kind of drawn out apology, even if the
52:12
Speaker 1: other person was in the wrong or a bunch of
52:14
Speaker 1: things she had to learn and had to adapt to.
52:17
Speaker 1: That does feel a bit of like attaming. And I'm
52:20
Speaker 1: not saying that sometimes you get angry even if it's
52:23
Speaker 1: somebody in the wrong, you've got to apologize. But a
52:25
Speaker 1: lot of it felt kind of like she was having
52:27
Speaker 1: to learn to kind of close this part off and
52:31
Speaker 1: fit in right. Yes, there's so much, like, there's so
52:37
Speaker 1: much more I'm probably could go into, and if we
52:39
Speaker 1: really wanted, I could just expand upon many ideals of her,
52:44
Speaker 1: like even with a dress, trying to be pretty and
52:46
Speaker 1: being the best of everything, trying to impress Marilla but
52:52
Speaker 1: also show appreciation. There's so many to this. Yes, And
52:57
Speaker 1: I don't believe I'm sorry. Maybe I'm going to have
53:01
Speaker 1: people maybe at me, maybe the younger generation. Megan follows
53:05
Speaker 1: is and to me and will always be, and Jonathan
53:08
Speaker 1: Chrome will always be Gilbert. It's kind of have this
53:12
Speaker 1: similar opinion about since its ability about Colin Colin Firth
53:17
Speaker 1: being the only Darcy. I will fight you. I will
53:21
Speaker 1: fight you. Oh my god. I want to start like
53:24
Speaker 1: a bracket. I love this because my friend Marissa, who
53:27
Speaker 1: I said she loves and Green Gables, she said the
53:30
Speaker 1: very same thing. Yeah, she said the very same thing.
53:34
Speaker 1: So I'm all about it. I'm all about it. I
53:38
Speaker 1: want to come back and do I think we should
53:40
Speaker 1: do the next one. I think so, I'm already let's
53:44
Speaker 1: get okay, me too, me too. Well, look out for
53:47
Speaker 1: that listeners and send in your opinions. What are you
53:52
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53:56
Speaker 1: love it because I remember you were like, this is
53:58
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54:00
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54:03
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