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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Reaction to: 49ers-Seahawks, Bears-Packers, Eagles-Jaguars, Broncos-Chargers · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume.
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  Speaker 2: A Sunday night podcast. The Colin Coward Podcast presented by
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  Speaker 2: Bud Light. Easy to drink. Easy to enjoy. Heavyweight fight.
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  Speaker 2: We could spend 30 minutes on this. Seattle falls to
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  Speaker 2: the Niners. 32-29. 38 points off turnovers. It was not.
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  Speaker 2: That aesthetically appealing, you could argue, but I think it
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  Speaker 2: just added to the drama. From the very beginning, there
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: was turnovers and fumbles. By the way, you go on
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: the internet and people are beating up on Darnold and Purdy.
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  Speaker 2: There are 10 defensive players in this game that are
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  Speaker 2: either going to be in the Hall of Fame, close
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  Speaker 2: to Hall of Fame, or ascending toward it like Devon Witherspoon.
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  Speaker 2: The quality of talent San Francisco has. I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: about this, John. Mike Evans will make the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: McCaffrey will. Kittle will. Trent Williams will. Shanahan. I watched
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  Speaker 2: Fred Warner. Obviously, he's great. But it's like it's older
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  Speaker 2: and it's more brittle. there is so much talent on
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  Speaker 2: this field. So my, my takeaway to start is you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to play. Listen, this is a heavyweight fight.
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  Speaker 2: Both teams land punches. I mean, Fred Warner's punching footballs out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, pretty has a bad pick. Seattle fumbles in
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  Speaker 2: the end zone. Like this is what happens when great
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  Speaker 2: physical teams play. This game looks so much more physical
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  Speaker 2: than any game I watched today that In the end,
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  Speaker 2: I really did think San Francisco deserved a win. I
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  Speaker 2: thought they got kind of a– we'll get to this
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  Speaker 2: in a bit, but the grounding call was horrible. But
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  Speaker 2: in the end, I felt like San Francisco was the
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  Speaker 2: better team. Your thoughts?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wrote down this felt more like a January
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  Speaker 1: 20th game than a mid-October game. This felt like the
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  Speaker 1: second round, like you said, in terms of physicality. The
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  Speaker 1: 49ers got all the turnovers. it felt like you can't
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  Speaker 1: blow this game up there. They had lost the last
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  Speaker 1: two games, 13-3 and 41-6, but those games, the 13-3
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  Speaker 1: game wasn't close. One major difference in this game, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the difference this year in Seattle, those two games,
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  Speaker 1: 39 for 180 and 33 for 175, they dominated on
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  Speaker 1: the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So you feel more pressure on Sam. And listen, he
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  Speaker 1: threw two awful picks. Purdy paid him back with an
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  Speaker 1: also an awful pick that Brady called just a fantastic coverage.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know, off your back foot, you can't
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  Speaker 1: throw it. This is a big swing game, Colin. The
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  Speaker 1: 49ers have not... They've beat the Rams and Seattle on
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  Speaker 1: the road. You know, the Rams game was in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: but that was a road game. And now, because Seattle
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  Speaker 1: blew that game to Washington, they're 5-0 and they're 3-2. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's a long season. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a big, big... I mean, the 49ers get
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  Speaker 1: the Commanders next game. So, I mean, the 49ers are
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  Speaker 1: in fantastic position.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 1: They were melting down in the third. I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: a complete meltdown. The Purdy pick, the Debo, where his
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  Speaker 1: hamstring blew, and I think he felt awful because he
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: just dropped the ball, and you could feel it on Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like it was going to unravel. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen this song and dance, and it was last year.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to lose this game. Mike Evans was the difference.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Colin, he felt like a basketball player. Just
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  Speaker 1: give him the ball. Just give him the ball. Just
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  Speaker 1: give him the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Just give him the ball.
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  Speaker 1: It was incredible.
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  Speaker 2: In games like this, it's hard for me to be critical.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest. JSN drops that ball from Darnold,
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  Speaker 2: or Seattle is either tied or with a chance to
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  Speaker 2: win the game. I mean, there were just so many
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  Speaker 2: moments in this game. The two-point conversion. When I look
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  Speaker 2: at these teams... And I was thinking, I know I'm
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  Speaker 2: from the Pacific Northwest, but it would be a shame
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  Speaker 2: if this group of Niner stars don't win a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like we know that happens once in a
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  Speaker 2: while in like pro basketball. You're like, oh, they should
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  Speaker 2: have won. Generally speaking in pro football, if you've got,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when Aaron Rodgers had his best run game
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  Speaker 2: in defense in Green Bay, he won that Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the run game started getting hot in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: That was his best defense. Peyton Manning, when he had
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  Speaker 2: his best defenses, he's getting the Super Bowls. Drew Brees
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  Speaker 2: and Sean Peyton, like they were two. They needed one, right?
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  Speaker 2: And I kind of feel with the Niners, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the other thing to remember about Seattle. This is
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  Speaker 2: what I've been saying all year. So I picked the
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  Speaker 2: Niners to win today. And my take was Seattle's defense
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  Speaker 2: is top five, but that's against bad quarterbacks. Purdy's not
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  Speaker 2: a bad quarterback. They've done that against backups and, you know, Mariota.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, they were number one, and Stafford was the
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  Speaker 2: best quarterback in the league in division. So I kind
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  Speaker 2: of feel like the defense, and this is just the
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  Speaker 2: reality of winning the Super Bowl, you're going to lose
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  Speaker 2: Boye Mafe to Cincinnati. You're going to lose those guys
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  Speaker 2: who are B, B-plus players. The other thing is they're
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  Speaker 2: not running. Now, Seattle does get Price, the rookie from
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, back. So right now, I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of– Smoke and mirrors. I mean, Helani can fumble.
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  Speaker 2: Watson's kind of, you know, he's an undrafted guy. So
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  Speaker 2: I kind of think Seattle's making it up in their
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  Speaker 2: run game and they're kind of overcompensating because of that.
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  Speaker 2: I think Seattle will be a better team later. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the Niners will because of their age.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how many guys got dinged up today? Even
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  Speaker 2: Evans at the end looked like he was limping.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say one big difference in these two teams,
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  Speaker 1: because you're right. I mean, they lost Moffay and they lost,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Kobe Bryant. The Niners have a million injuries.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon Cooks is catching touchdowns. He was added
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  Speaker 1: to the team a couple weeks ago. Who knows how
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  Speaker 1: long he can stay healthy. Is even with Debo going down,
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  Speaker 1: they have George Kittle and Mike Evans. It does feel
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  Speaker 1: Seattle's got JSN and Rasheed Shahid. To me, he's.
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  Speaker 2: More of an elite gadget player.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, you know, returner. Helani was second on
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  Speaker 1: the team in catches with four. So it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: JSN and Cooper had that play at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the game, but let's face it. I mean, he's on
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  Speaker 1: the tail end of his career. So you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: a team like Mike Evans today to me was the
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  Speaker 1: difference in this game. I mean, and I think you
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  Speaker 1: hit on it. Not every game that has a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of turnovers is necessarily poorly played. This had a playoff feel. Oh, God, yes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it. The football today was pretty bad.
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  Speaker 1: Just overall, it was kind of a dud day. This
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  Speaker 1: game had an edge to it. You could feel it.
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  Speaker 1: When Eddie Pinero came out to kick what turned out
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  Speaker 1: to be the game-winning kick, and you could feel that crowd.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like an sec game. And you just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even yesterday, right? There are 10 turnovers in the Oregon
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  Speaker 1: UCLA game. That was an awful game. Like that, that
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  Speaker 1: was a tough watch. This was not a tough watch.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle needed this though. And the 49ers, their unit needed
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  Speaker 1: this to get over this hump Seattle, just not as
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  Speaker 1: dominant as they were at the end of last season.
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  Speaker 1: I think it gets back to, you know, look at
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  Speaker 1: what Kenneth Walker and listen, he hadn't played like that
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  Speaker 1: his whole career. He had been injured. But on that stretch,
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  Speaker 1: when they got hot, they could lean on him. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they can't lean on their running game right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Brady's going nuts. Like, tuck the ball. Even after he
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  Speaker 1: fumbled it. Because he couldn't fathom. Because in his world
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  Speaker 1: for 20 years, you get cut tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: And they didn't fumble.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the guy that fumbled or was late in New England?
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  Speaker 1: But Seattle's kind of in a tough predicament. And they
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  Speaker 1: bring in Joe Mixon. He can't pass him.
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  Speaker 2: Physical.
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  Speaker 1: They got Jadarian price on injured reserve. So I just
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  Speaker 1: think the diners big time guys, you know, Fred Warner
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  Speaker 1: with that punch. I mean, Fred Warner has been, and
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  Speaker 1: let's face it. Greenlaw Greenlaw is a wild card personality.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, last week he goes at Sean Payton and
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  Speaker 1: Fred Warner has to rip them over. That could have
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  Speaker 1: been worse today. You know, it's like, Sam Darnold, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't Lamar Jackson. I'm with Brady. Like, I hate these
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  Speaker 1: ticky-tack flags on the sideline.
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  Speaker 2: The two calls I didn't like. The grounding call against
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  Speaker 2: Purdy was ridiculous. Terrible call. I didn't love the late
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  Speaker 2: hit on Darnold. I thought it was... And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I always defend NBA players, soccer players and football players.
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  Speaker 2: If you lean into the I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 2: 15 yard penalty. You get a yellow card or a
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  Speaker 2: red card like I get it. It's situationally a manufacturing
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  Speaker 2: like offense. But I didn't think that was a late hit.
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  Speaker 2: It was a late push, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: And I see both sides of it. You can't headbutt,
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  Speaker 1: but he's over there. He's surrounded by 50 guys. Ernest
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  Speaker 1: Jones comes at him. It's like, what's good going to
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  Speaker 1: come of this? But, and then Brady mentions on the broadcast,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle said, they're going to come at us. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to try, especially him, you know, try to get you
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  Speaker 1: a personal foul penalties. This, you know, in a day
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  Speaker 1: and age, I think in college, in the NFL, there's
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  Speaker 1: such a transactional sport and guys bounce around. there's something
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  Speaker 1: old school about the hatred and the venom that you
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  Speaker 1: could feel it, you know, in this game, this rivalry, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's awesome. I mean, I was, I was on the
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  Speaker 1: edge of my, the violence in that game for both sides.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you had ran, there, there was a hit
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  Speaker 1: from Mustafa on the 49ers and, where he leveled the
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver on Seattle. And I think typically they throw
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  Speaker 1: that flag. And I'm glad Tom said this. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you can't throw that ball and put your wide receiver
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  Speaker 1: in that position. No one talks like that anymore because
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  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a hospital ball because it's
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  Speaker 1: a flag. But they were actually pretty good today about
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  Speaker 1: just letting the physicality.
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  Speaker 2: Go on the field. At one point, a Seahawk came
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  Speaker 2: up and hit I forget the player for the Niners.
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  Speaker 2: It was in the fourth quarter, and Brady almost laughed.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, wow. You could hear it up in
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  Speaker 2: the booth. Listen, this was a– I grew up in
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: the Ollie Frazier era, like when there was no UFC
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  Speaker 2: and you'd get these heavyweight fights and the guys would
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  Speaker 2: fight three times. And the reason I like San Francisco today,
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  Speaker 2: because last year at the end of the year, John
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  Speaker 2: Seattle bullied them and humiliated them twice. And this is
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  Speaker 2: a 49er team that takes incredible pride in their violence
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  Speaker 2: and physicality. The Rams don't. The Rams can be physical,
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  Speaker 2: but they're pretty. They're clever. They're efficient with a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of physicality. San Francisco's entire identity is when you
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: watch a Niner game, the only team in the league
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  Speaker 2: that goes hit to hit for them Seattle. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, you know what it reminds me of? The
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  Speaker 2: Ray Lewis Ravens when they play the Steelers. Those games,
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  Speaker 2: you could put it on Thursday or Monday or Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, okay, this just sounds different to my ear
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  Speaker 2: on television. You could tell in the first half after
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: Greenlaw got thrown out, Darnold got sacked twice back to back.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty damn good old line. San Francisco- It
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: just felt like all day to me. It's just like
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: they went to Seattle as a total business trip. They
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: knew very well what happened last year. And if they
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: went down, they were going to go down. They were
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: going to go down so physically. The other thing I
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  Speaker 2: have to say, that brought pretty drive that got them
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  Speaker 2: the touchdown and the two point conversion. That was MVP stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was sensational.
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  Speaker 1: I thought when they kicked the field goal that ultimately
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: won it on fourth or I guess it was third
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  Speaker 1: and short. Kyle, listen, he can get a little conservative
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  Speaker 1: in those spots, tried to go bully ball, which I
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: don't like when Seattle knows it's coming because Byron Murphy
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  Speaker 1: is I mean, he's got a chance to be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's pretty special player. I would have put it in
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  Speaker 1: Purdy's hands. You got Kittle, you got Mike Evans, Purdy
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  Speaker 1: can run. I would have spread it out. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, ah, didn't love it. It ended up not
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  Speaker 1: costing them, but I'm with you. I think, I think
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  Speaker 1: the defining second half for the 49ers was just the
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  Speaker 1: mental bounce back. Cause once Purdy throws that pick, I
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  Speaker 1: think a couple of years ago, it could unravel on
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: them a little bit. And like you said, he came
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: right back. It also helps. You know, I mean, Mike
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty unique player in this day and age.
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  Speaker 1: That size. I mean, he's going up against guys that
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: are 5'11 to 6 feet tall. He's got them by 5,
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  Speaker 1: 6 inches. And then you factor in his strength. It's
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  Speaker 1: not really a fair fight, but he was... He was
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  Speaker 1: exceptional down the stretch of this game. Colin, he broke
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: his ribs a couple weeks ago. I mean, last week,
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  Speaker 1: John Lynch, who I would say is considered one of
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: the tougher guys in the last 30 years to play
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, went up to him and was like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: no big deal. We'll save you for Seattle. And Mike Evans,
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: he said it on local radio this week, looked at
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  Speaker 1: him in the eye like, no, I'm playing in this game.
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  Speaker 1: The doctors were telling the 49ers coach he wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to play. So to me, the 49ers
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: have made Trent Williams and Christian McCaffrey great acquisitions, but
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: those were traits. This is probably one of their best
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: free agent acquisitions in the Harbaugh Kyle era. I think
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: because most of their players were either homegrown late round
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  Speaker 1: picks or trades the Mike Evans thing. And it's a,
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  Speaker 1: it's basically like a Tom Brady level guy, but playing
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. I mean, he's a, he's just a pretty
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  Speaker 1: unique guy. And he fits their culture. I mean, is
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: there a better culture fit at wide receiver for Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan in the 49ers? He's Julio Jones type.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, like the San Francisco, it's interesting because
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Kansas City has struggled since they lost Tyreek Hill to
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: put a receiving group together that works. But a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the troubles have been Rasheed Rice's immaturity. San Francisco's
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: issues are just injuries. I mean, Pearsall this year. What
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  Speaker 2: if they had him? He's not available. Debo got banged
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  Speaker 2: up today. Evans was limping at one point, just broke
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  Speaker 2: his ribs. But I think it's almost like I always
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: say about the Dodgers, that they'll go get a Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Glass now, and they don't even really need him until
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Mike Evans was brought in. to be a
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: red zone problem. I mean, that's against, to me, against
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: the Rams because Trent McDuffie's not a big corner, right? Seattle,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: Weatherspoon's a great corner. But when I watched the Mike
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: Evans move, that felt like a baseball team saying, we
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: can live with 11 starts. We just want them to
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: be in the biggest games. So I think, I think
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  Speaker 2: the smart organizations, I mean, San Francisco entered this year
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  Speaker 2: as this team's aging, John, this is a super bowl
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  Speaker 2: or bust year for them. And for the Rams, because
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: of Matt Stafford's age, it's not for the Seahawks. They've
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: got their ring. It's a very young team. Stafford makes
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: the Rams like this is really, really big. And by
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: the way, Aaron Donald's coming back for one year. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So like, I feel like bringing Mike Evans is in
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  Speaker 2: and then bringing Debo back is You kind of bake in.
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  Speaker 2: If they can give us 10 games and be ready
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: for the playoffs, we're good. And I think this game today,
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  Speaker 2: to your point, it was a playoff game. This could
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  Speaker 2: decide a home field in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would imagine the majority of the guys that
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: played in that game will not be able to get
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: out of bed in the morning. You look around the NFL,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: no one on the Lions is going to struggle to
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: get out of bed tomorrow morning. There are a lot
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: of games that I watched today that are like, this
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: isn't great football. That thing was, and I think it
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: starts with the coaches, the organization, the type of guys
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  Speaker 1: they like. Because the other thing is, you know, part
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  Speaker 1: of your culture and who you become is the type
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: guys you bring into the organization. Ozzie did this forever
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: with the Ravens. It's like Steve Smith Sr. 's available.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Come on. And Quan Bolden. You know, it's like they
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: had a certain type of guy they liked at every position. Basically,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: they had wide receivers that played like they were linebackers,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: running backs that played like they could be hard-hitting safeties.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Look at the 49ers. Kalon Black, who was a pretty
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: controversial pick, third rounder from Indiana. It's like, he didn't
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: go to the combine. It's like, well, we just watched
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: him help carry the load for Indiana. They won 16 games.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: And Cignetti, again, watching his team again this year, pretty
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: mentally tough. Like you ain't cracking that lineup. If you ain't,
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  Speaker 1: your chin straps aren't buckled and you're hitting the hole.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he fits it. I mean, he didn't have
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: a great statistical game, but he plays exactly how they
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: would like. Goes right into the hole. And I think
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: for the first time in a while, it's like McCaffrey
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: who gets exhausted. I mean, you talk about a guy,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: he can tap, go out, and they can bring in
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: another guy that they trust and is a rookie. And who,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: by all accounts, carries himself like he's a five-year vet.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: So they don't get as consumed. And this is what
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: a great front office and, you know, putting a team together.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: He didn't go to the combine. You can't draft him
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: in the third round. We don't give a shit. We
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: met him. We like him. We've watched the tape.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Plug and play. Back up running back. Now, I'm not
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: saying make a living off non-combine guys. But if you
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: have conviction in a guy... who's coming from last year's
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Indiana team. I mean, Chiefs, we need a left tackle. Boom,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: undrafted free agent, Indiana. I would say last year's track
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: record on that franchise or program is pretty impressive.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: One of the things that really blew me away, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: thought that pretty drive, the touchdown and two-point conversion drive,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: where he got, think about it, a bad grounding call
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and then a bad break. They threw a touchdown and
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Seattle called the timeout, and he still got the touchdown
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: and two-point conversion. You go look at those last two
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: drives by the Niners. Christian McCaffrey, the beating he took,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: even on successful runs. Remember, he just has raw arm.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: He didn't put any cover on that. McCaffrey, it's a
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: gun show. Some of the helmet on bicep hits, just
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: those last two drives, I'm like, this guy.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Took four or five shots from, I mean, Seattle safeties
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: are rockets. They're missiles. They are, you can't head hunt anymore,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: but you can body hunt. And a couple of those
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: shots that McCaffrey took on those final two drives. I'm like,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I just hope the audience understands that is one of
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: the toughest running backs. Walter Payton and Christian McCaffrey, Barry
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Sanders was amazing. But when I watch, McCaffrey, he has
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Walter Payton's toughness. Just literally the ability to shred, endure hits.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Do you notice when he comes back into the game,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: when he's out and takes a playoff and Black comes
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: in and then he comes out, how fast he sprints
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to the huddle? He is sprinting like it's a race
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: in the Olympics. I think that's the whole thing with him.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, Christian, They try to they try to
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: pull off the reins because when he practices, he never
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: slows down. But this is his I think he pushed back.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I have to do this to maintain this level. And
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there are many players, at least
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: in my lifetime, who it was clear once he got
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to the Panthers, he was damn good. but whose career
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: just perception-wise went to another level, and now everyone's like
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, one of the great all-around players. He's
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: probably not, I mean, he's clearly not quite as fast
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: as he was three or four years ago, but he
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: is just an exceptional winning player that you can rely
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: on to catch balls, break that extra tackle. Cause again,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: part of playing physical in the run game, this is
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the Kyle mentality and most of the old school coaches
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: is it wears them down too. So we're, we're just
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: keep hitting you. It's, it's wearing their defense. How many
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: teams is Seattle going to play? Like they, they play
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the Rams. It's, he wants to throw Stafford 45 times
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a game. You know, this is, this goes back to
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the Richard Sherman teams against Harbaugh. They're the 49ers deep down,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: want to run it 30, 35 times and right between
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the tackles downhill, uh, So that drive you're talking about
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: was 12 plays, 74 yards, seven minutes long, and they
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: were down five points. And it felt more like a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: 10-point deficit. It felt like, God, this is a game
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: for the line.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And I want to say it again. I don't want
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to be too hard on Seattle because if JSN makes
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that catch and he does 90 out of 92 times,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: they are in an unbooked.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Seattle showed a lot of metal, too, because they were
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: melting down in the first half with all the turnovers.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: The turnover at the end of the half McDonald's calling timeout.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So you get the ball back with 20 seconds and
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: first play, the guy fumbles and the D lineman lands
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: on it. I thought it could unraveled for them too,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: but that that's part of having the home field advantage
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with that, that crowd. How many teams have that? Oh God.
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• 22:05
  Speaker 2: This was the early game from London, but I think
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: it's newsworthy. Jags 19, Eagles 17. Second week in a row,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni has a blunder, end-of-game management blunder. So we
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: know he doesn't call plays. So to me, you have
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to be one of two things, John. Either a great
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: leader situationally, second week in a row, Sirianni with a
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: coaching blunder, or a play caller. He's neither. So in
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: the last three weeks... And I understand the injuries. The
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Eagles have three second half points combined and 13 three
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: and outs just in the second half. So, and by
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the way, For Jacksonville, that was Liam Cohen's worst game
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: as a head coach. It was an odd when they
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: drove the ball down the field and then put Trevor
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: out at wide receiver, hiked the ball to somebody, not
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, got a penalty, then another, then another. It
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: was as bad. I mean, I think Liam Cohen's great.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I thought it was his worst game as a coach. Certainly,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and he had eyed watch. They overthought the room. They
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: got too cute. He's bright. Smart people do get too cute.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Sometimes McVay used to do that in his first two,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: three years. He'd get a little cute. He doesn't anymore.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: But why the Eagles did not kick the ball out
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of the end zone, forcing Jacksonville to burn time. Remember,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: we just saw Brian Schottenheimer make a mistake recently where
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he should have kicked the ball out of the end
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: zone and did not against Baltimore. So Nick Ceriani should
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: have kicked it and had the ball returned. Therefore, um,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: You're saying.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: He should have kicked the ball out of the end zone.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So they get it at the 35. They don't have
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: any timeouts. Who cares? Because if they catch a ball
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: 20 yards, they can't stop the clock. The game's overs.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Play the sidelines. Let them catch it in the middle
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of the field. It doesn't matter. So, yeah.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: So, again, situationally, what do you do with Sirianni? I mean,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: he's not a play caller. He's completely coordinator-dependent. And now
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: he has butchered back-to-back weeks, situational football. To his credit,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: he acknowledged it. What do you do with him?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he's in today felt like the lowest point,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know, because again, you last year factors into this year.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So last year is, you know, I don't know if
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you saw some of these clips of these, the tide
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: in Southern California coming from El Nino. That's what it
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: feels like right now. And today when he kicked that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: field one, when he returned the kick, This is the first,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I'm proud to say it, because most of them are
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: awful games. I usually turn on that bad boy on
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a Sunday morning on the West Coast, you know, second quarter.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: The game's usually terrible. I was sitting there with coffee
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: at about 6.20 this morning. I was pretty excited for
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: this Sunday morning game. Obviously, I knew we were going
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, and sometimes we don't because the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: games are awful. But, like, the Sirianni, the Jags are
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: one of the best teams in the NFL. The Jags
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: took the first kickoff to the house. but it was
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: called back for a penalty. So they had returned it before.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And then when you don't have any timeouts, who cares?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: If he starts at a 35, you, you could argue,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you could kick it out of bounds. You can start
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: at the 40. They don't have any timeouts. It doesn't matter.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: So once he returned it, now you could argue they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: got a little lucky as they talked about in the broadcast.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: If he just would have gone like five yards more,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it would have ended. But still, uh, I, I saw
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the clip during one of the halftimes of the afternoon
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: games of, uh, what's their kicker's name that he was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: saying like, Hey, I just do what I was told.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, and Sirianni blamed himself, but, and I guess
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he told the team like, this is my fault. I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: just think that this is my fault. Like, I mean, that's,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: pretty hollow. I know people that don't love this is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: my fault and that's Lurie and Howie. This is tough, Colin.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: We have a convergence of two things. Owners are richer
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and more impulsive, so they're making more changes. And there
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: are 96 jobs in the NFL of either OC, DC,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: or head coach. And this is my take, is that
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys' young defensive coordinator was not quite
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: ready to be a I don't think Nick Ceriani is
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: really a head coach. And I think he could work
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: in college maybe. He's a big kid, recruiter personality, but
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: he is not a play designer. And maybe he deserved
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to be a head coach today or four years from today.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But one of the things that is happening in the NFL,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: we are seeing– A lot of clock management mistakes. That's
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: always been an issue. Andy Reid used to get pegged
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: for that when he was in Philadelphia. I know it's
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: not easy. Herm Edwards did. But there are some of
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: these that are really basic math, basic stuff. Schottenheimer, he
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't interviewing for any other high-end coordinator job. Head coach, Cowboys. Okay.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Sirianni was a shock to the league. My theory on
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia was always that Howie– got kicked to the curb
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: by Chip Kelly. And so he was never going to
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: hire a coach with power. So he gave it to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Doug Peterson, who, you know, there wasn't multiple offers. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: he gave it to Nick Ceriani that surprised the league.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: He wants to have some control because Chip Kelly, fair
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: or not, he feels like, you know, Chip pushed him Out.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, well, I'm not doing that again.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to hire a coach with that kind
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of gravitas. I don't want that in the building again
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: because I got burned by it. I totally, absolutely understand that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Howie and Lurie feel like to me they run the franchise.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: But the downside of that is you end up with
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a coach who's really not a head coach at this level.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Certainly in his division, think about this. What if he
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: was in a division with Andy Reid twice a year?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and Sean Payton twice. He's in that division. He's in
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that division, so he's going up against Schottenheimer and Dan
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Quinn today. We can get to that in a second.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: It's not one of the great coached divisions. I do
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: think you have to have conversations about– I don't think
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: they have anybody in the building that can replace him,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: but we always talk about this. If he was on
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: the market, anybody hire him as a head coach? Not
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: a chance.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Well, Sirianni, if he was fired tomorrow– in 2027 would
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: not be an OC for any of the trial team.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Obviously not a head coach. Look at Raheem Morris. who's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: not a head coach, immediately hires a defensive coordinator, probably
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: had three other options and is excellent. You could argue
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the Niners defense looks better with him under Sala. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: he is an example of a lot of guys. Dayball fired,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and it's not going well, but he would have been
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: hired immediately. The Eagles wanted him. I think when you look,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I've had this theory that I think McVay and some
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of these younger guys, you know, the Kyle crew, Kyle's
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: older now, but when he was hired, he was like 38.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that all these teams now hire younger coaches. If you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: look at, you know, Davis Webb was elevated and then
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: kind of demoted. Christian Parker and Sean Mannion. Sean Mannion
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: started coaching like four years ago. Davis Webb, three years ago.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Before 10, I'd even say a couple years into McVay,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: coordinator jobs on pressure-packed operations like the Cowboys or like
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: watching the Cowboy game. You know what I thought? Brian Schottenheimer.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Next year, hire Todd Bowles when he gets fired. That's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: who you need.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: You know, not Christian Parker, a 34-year-old who isn't prepared
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: to handle this. Today, the last, before they kicked that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: field goal to take the lead, it was three yards
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: minus six yards punt. Three yards, one yard punt. Three yards,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: zero yard punt. All these drives like a minute long. Well,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: this guy. and I'm not saying Bill Walsh could be
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: calling plays and the Eagles offense might be broken, but
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: this guy doesn't have anything in his back pocket to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: go and kyle or mcdonald calling defense they have things
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: behind all this experience i get i remember four years
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: ago this worked against this he he just started doing
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: this and listen when i was younger i was like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: hey i'm all power for this then you get older
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you realize like experience does really matter no matter what
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you do especially in these public jobs where the pressure
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: is immense sean manion the eagles had trouble getting people
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to take this job is their offensive coordinator. I do
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: think this time around, even Sirianni, I think people were
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: turned off how he's proven to be one of the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: best GMs in like league history. I do think it
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: would be a different vibe this time. Cause the other
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: thing they would know is like, he's not anchored to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the quarterback, big picture. Maybe he gets another year because
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of his contract. But if we got a pivot, we'll pivot.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Now he has all these picks and, I do wonder
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: if they play it out like another year, Sirianni and Jalen.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Because in 2028, now they've got those two first-round picks,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the two second-round picks. But I spent two years working
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: five feet away from him. That's not the way he's wired.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. I don't know how long that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: plane ride is from London to Philly. I mean, I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: don't remember a team. You know, the Cowboy thing, once
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: they kicked it out of bounds and they got it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: at 35, they still got Lamar Jackson.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: This one, they got no timeouts. You could have done
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: anything except what they did. And then it happens. Jacksonville's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: kicker right there with like Brandon Aubrey, but it doesn't
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: have like one of the biggest legs in league history.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Now they got this backup snapper and it was kind
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of a thrilling. Yeah. Cause you were like, can he
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: get this? Can he get this snap down? But that loss,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: this is the same old story, right? The punting, punting, punting, punting,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: no offense. They drafted a guy who made a couple
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of plays in lemon, but lemon strength. is running all
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: these plays over the middle of the field, getting open
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in zones, sitting there. Well, that's not really Jalen's strength.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I know it ended with A.J., but where did they
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: have a lot of success? Working the sidelines. So they
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: draft this guy who he showed today. There's stuff there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You and I have watched him in college. He's a
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: talented player. But his skill set with the quarterback skill set,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: it goes back to the Russell thing. And I think
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Russell was a better player than Jalen, but they don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: really like they're not eating alive the middle of the field.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So it's just and now they're running games a disaster.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jacksonville didn't play well. Jacksonville played again.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I think Jacksonville played as badly as you can play
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: in this league and win. They were they were the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: coaching was bad. The mistakes. I mean, when you have
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: back to back to back red zone penalties, it's like, guys,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: button it up. You got I mean, Trevor's been around
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: here forever. Like he's a pro. OK, Green Bay, 31, Chicago, seven. OK,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: this game proved a couple of things. Mr.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Didn't see that. Mr.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: October, Jordan Love. We've talked about this for years. He's
• 32:43
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  Speaker 2: our link in bio. I don't think everybody's satisfied with that,
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  Speaker 2: but to me, this game was more about They looked
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• 36:01
  Speaker 2: game by Chicago, it's masked a very average defense, and
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  Speaker 1: To me, it was as simple as Jordan Love, like
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you said, was exceptional. The pass that he had, I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: think the second touchdown to Watson, where he one-hand caught
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in the back, that might have been the most beautiful
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: play so far of 2026 in the NFL. I mean,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: just he let it rip, and Watson caught it, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: that was gorgeous. I mean, Watson and Golden couldn't be stopped.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And on the flip side, that quarterback play, Tyson Bajent,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: who I know they liked, I don't think he could
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: have been worse. I mean, I saw one quarterback worse
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: than him, and his name was Dylan Raiola, and he
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: also got benched this week. I mean, that was... You
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: can't function with that level of quarterback play. So I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: have a hard time like what happened to all these guys.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: The quarterback play was really, really atrocious. I gave him
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a pass last week. It was
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: kind of a weird game. This, though, was he was unplayed.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: He could have been benched way earlier, too. You know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I think he tried to battle through it. And then
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: when Case came in, I think to start the fourth quarter.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you probably could have had the hook at halftime, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it just got worse and worse. Like you said, the Bears'
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: defense for the first time, it's like, I think I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: saw a stat Watson and Golden so far this season
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: statistically are two of the top five wide receivers. I mean,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: they are, Matthew Golden, the Texas kid for them, Watson
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: gets a lot of, he looks fantastic. They got a
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: one-two punch, but their defense had no shot of stopping them.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: So this would have been Caleb Williams, hey, this is
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: going to be– we've got to try to win 34-31.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: But that quarterback play, I mean, they couldn't have scored 10.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: They couldn't move the ball. The turnovers, throwing picks. I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: think Case, the Case throw two, Tyson threw two, he
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: threw one.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Listen, you had two almost perfect offensive performances, one with
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Case Keenum, one with Tyson Badgett. This is why they're backups.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: You're not going to go on a three game winning streak.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, and also when Tyson, Tyson Beijing
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: gets behind, okay. Backup quarterbacks generally don't play well from behind.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: They play well when there's an element of surprise. There's
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: not a lot of film. They have good protection in
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a run game. They can play with a lead. Case
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Keenum playing with a lead in the second half against Philadelphia. OK,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that's different. Now, all of a sudden, you're on the road.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: You're down. You don't have much of a run game.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: It's like, OK, that's a snowball. That's I think if
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you would have told them they go two and one
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: with Caleb Williams out with two great performances from backups,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: you would sign up for that every day.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Of the week. 100 i will give i think we
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: need to give green bay a lot of credit because
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: i assume the bears were going to kill him now
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: once but none guy i think he got you know
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that thing popped up on like friday that's not ideal
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: but and i've listened you and i are both on
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: ben johnson couldn't think any more highly of them they
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: have talked a lot of you know what though about
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the packers and they have circled this franchise and It
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: was the first time in 20 years there was actual momentum.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: It was like, Bears are favored on the road in Lambeau,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: 20 years. And so I'm starting to think, oh, that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: was the Urlacher, that team, against an old Favre. That's pre-Rogers.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So they went in there. They got their ass kicked today.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was– and the one thing you see
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: with Green Bay, if Love– but they haven't been able
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to protect them. Well, Love was only sacked a couple times.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't have to run the ball. It shows you Mnangai,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: pretty important player for them. I mean, that's pretty, you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: for a seventh rounder who's kind of established himself as like,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I know you guys paid Swift, but I might be
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the best runner on this team, especially between the tackles,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: just hammer him. But Tyson, this gets back to Tyson.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: He was... He played like a backup play today, and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they've paid him. He didn't play great last week either.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It's a little concerning. I was high on him just
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: because they were high on him, and he looks— I mean,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the Packers' defense has been atrocious, too.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I think I will say this, is that the mystery
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: teams in the league have been, how is Green Bay
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: this bad, and how are the Chargers this bad? The
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Chargers put up a fight today, but again, they can't
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: move the ball. The offense is broken. But this was
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: going to happen for Green Bay. They weren't going to
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: play 14 straight horrible weeks. Right. Like this was eventually
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: going to happen. So it happened.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I kind of thought they would. I started thinking after
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the last couple of games, they might be like a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: four win team. But, you know, they're probably if Jordan
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Love's going to play better than seven to nine wins.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Patriots 45, Raiders 17. Two weeks ago, the world quit
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: on Drake May. On FS1, I said, I'll buy the stock.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Hold it. You don't have to buy more Drake May stock.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Don't sell it. Just hold it. I believe that good
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: coaches in this league, and I think Vrabel and Josh
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: McDaniels are excellent coaches. Good coaches in this league, they're
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: like middle relief and bullpens. They stop big innings. Good
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: coaches course correct very quickly. In college, if you have
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a flaw, it can take a month to figure it out.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Sometimes in the NFL, you can figure it out at half.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: But Drake May was going through a process where too
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: much was on his plate. I thought today six Patriots
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: had three or more receptions. He sprinkled the ball everywhere.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: He totally saw the field. Guy was 26 of 34,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: 374 yards. Four touchdowns, no picks. I also think some of,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you know, everybody's got film now on Kirk Cousins and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the limitations of that offense. I think some of this is,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: you know, the Patriots have, you know, there's the Super
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Bowl team last year. They're at home. But I think
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the thing, I think what's happening, John, with social media,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: we all make decisions very quickly now, and they're very
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: harsh decisions. And Drake May, you know, that Seattle game
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: where he's in Seattle, he throws that really bad end
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: zone pick. It's a standalone game. We're all watching it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: That's terrible. And then he has a bad game or two.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: And we're like, OK, he's done. This is a raw,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: really young player. I thought today he was as good
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: as any quarterback in the league. I mean, he moved,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: didn't have great run support, but New England just was.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were up 21-7 at half. He was 11-15.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: They obliterated him. I thought he was as good. Again,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: there is a clear pattern with Drake May. When he's
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: comfortable and willing to scramble a little bit with a
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: decent run game, he's a damn good quarterback. If he
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: plays a great team, there's leakage on the offensive line.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He feels rushed. He starts backfooting it. He tends to
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: do that. He is a quarterback that Purdy now has
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: moved to another level. Purdy did some of this early
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: in his career and in college. He could be reckless
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: if you pressured him. Brock has gotten out of that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Brock has graduated to the kind of VIP-level quarterback, which
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: you blitz him, you get burned. You blitz him, he
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: reads it, he gets rid of it. I think Drake's
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: still learning the game. And if you put pressure on
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: him and there's, you know, the offensive line on the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: left side is struggling, he can get bad really quickly.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And I think where you graduate as a quarterback in
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the NFL is how you handle pressure. Purdy has graduated
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: to the Brady level where he just, please bring it on,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: put pressure on me. I don't think Drake's there. And
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I thought today he was really comfortable and he looked brilliant.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Shows you, I think confidence with young players can really
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: just swing back and forth. And it was gone, I thought,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. I mean, he couldn't have been
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: much worse. And then whatever happened last week, he got
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: his swag back. Because you could tell, I felt like
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: two drives in, I'm like, the Raiders are in major
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: trouble today. And when he scrambles to his right, because
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: he was missing plays moving. and throwing when he was off. Well, today,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: every time he moved, I went, this is going to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: be a layup throat. He's hitting guys in stride. They're
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: walking into the end zone. So I would say his
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: great strength is he's not Brady or Manning inside the pocket.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: It's get them on the move to throw. When you
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: get them on the move to throw that to me
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: is where he just, and they, they, They feel like, okay,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: they got some juice back. I think the Raiders are
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a little flawed. I mean, their quarterback can't move at all.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: They can't run the ball. They're wide receivers. I mean,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Bowers is incredible. But, I mean, I'm looking at their
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: box score right now. Jenty was second on the team.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: They have no wide receivers. So they got two tight ends.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Jenty can catch the ball. But, like, the other thing is, like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I like Spytek a lot, and I think they're going
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to be on a trajectory, big picture, in good shape.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and it was a weird draft, but when you take
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a running back six overall, Bijan McCaffrey, you know, Gibbs,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: they traded back from six to 12, but they said
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: they would have taken them at six. Like he's gotta
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: be one of the best players in the league. Is
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Gentry ever going to be a top five running back
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in the league? Probably not. So he's just going to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: have to be a really good, but he's, you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: in a game like today, it's like, Hey, can I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: just lean on you? And you give us like 70
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and slow the game down. And you know, there, there
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: were offensive lines getting shoved around, uh, Yeah, I mean,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: it starts and ends. Like, if Drake's going to play
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: like that, they can play with anybody, especially in New England.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And it also goes back to, you know, that west
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to east thing for the 10 a.m. kickoffs. Historically, the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: numbers speak for themselves. And the Raiders looked asleep. I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: was also thinking, because I was like, you know, I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: kind of want the Raiders in the points. Someone sent
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: me a thing with the trends when the Patriots, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: in situations like this, coming off a win. Against a
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: West to East team, it goes back to Brady and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Belichick who have blown them out. Think of that game
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: last week for the Raiders. You speak of Ali Frazier.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: To them, that was their Ali Frazier.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: High emotion.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: And they lost it. So high emotion, high physicality. I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: can imagine a lot of guys on their team, even
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: by Wednesday's practice, still kind of feeling it. Let's face it,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: they haven't played in that many games like that. And now, Colin,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: their stretch, I like the Raiders, or I mean, I
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: did before this game, but it's Bills-Rams the next two games.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you get some positivity. You know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: you could go 0-3 in that stretch, and after the 0-4,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: because you lost to the Chiefs. So, you know, I
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: think Cousins... Now, it would be hard for Fernando, too,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: because their wide receivers are nonexistent, but he can't move.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So if you can just corral him and you can't
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: run the ball, the Raiders are kind of sitting ducks.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: And that's what it felt like today. He's just getting engulfed.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And especially once you're down 21-7, 28-7, it's like, well,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: they're not going to run it between the tackles. They've
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: got to pass. What are you going to do with Kirk?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: So this fight for Abel makes a lot of money
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: because it did feel– It was pretty negative, especially back there.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: The Red Sox get their ass kicked by the Yankees.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Drake Mays sucks. It's just a lot of negativity in
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the air. Boston, they kind of feed off that. And
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I gave him credit last week. You've got to be
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: mentally tough in some of these markets.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, listen, Boston and Jalen Brown got traded for Paul
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: George and People Are Furious. There's some real animosity in
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the building. This is also the market in America that
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: has the highest sports radio ratings. So, I mean, their
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: shows get like 15s and 16s. What does that mean?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Everybody in Boston listens to sports talk radio. It's one
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: of the last sports sections that matters. So, it is
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a very tough place to play and coach. The game
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: ended 27-27. Giants and Washington. Two things off the top.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I said before the season, I thought New York had
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: better personnel than people gave them credit for. Even with
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston, who I thought had an excellent second half.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Isaiah likely had 11 catches. Malik neighbors had 11 catches.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Matt Nagy had a very, very good day calling plays. Scataboo,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: although he had a fumble, um, because I thought they
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: were going to go in for the win. Scataboo worked. Um,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston had three touchdowns, no picks. The Giants looked dead,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: and then they played a great fourth quarter, and Jameis
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Winston looked like– he looked like a– there's a reason
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: he's always had talent. Even when Tom Brady replaced him
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: in Tampa, he was putting up huge numbers. He just
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: had too many picks. You watched him today in the
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: second half. Jameis Winston was magical, and the play calling
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: was excellent. But this game comes down to the most– inexcusable,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: inexplicable thing I've ever seen in coaching. I was sitting
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: watching it on TV and I thought, okay, they're going
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: to down the ball, bring in the field goal kicker
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and win. And for the record, I had the Giants
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and the points. I thought, okay, this is, and when
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: they snapped the ball, I thought, all right, they're trying
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to burn time and then they're going to dirt it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: They're going to incomplete. And they didn't. And I'm like,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: do I blame Jaden Daniels? Do I blame Dan Quinn?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I don't feel that would happen with an offensive coach.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Dan Quinn's a defensive coach. So my take is, in
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the building, I mean, Jaden's still a kid. Jaden's still
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: a young quarterback. I feel like there should be some
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: coach in his ear. I think that is almost fireable.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was so bad. I mean, you have
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: a coach. You have an owner with a very strong personality,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Josh Harris. Ben Johnson famously didn't take the job saying
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: it's basketball guys who think they know way more about
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: football than they do. But I watched that. And I
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: think this ownership group went into the season looking for
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: a reason to move on from Dan Quinn. I mean,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: they already remember we had Cliff Kingsbury. It's like, I quit.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So this year was a lot. There's been a lot
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: of talk. You know that your sources. There's a lot
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: of talk that this thing is it's hot. I think
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: that's almost a fireable moment.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I know he's a nice guy, but I'd fire him.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: If people are listening this Monday morning, I wouldn't be
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: shocked if the news comes out. I don't even know
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: who else is on the staff that's been a head coach.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: To me, I don't put it on the quarterback as
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: much as the head coach. It's inexcusable. His only job.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: He's not calling the plays. He doesn't call offense or defense.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: He just stands there. I know you love it with
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: that backwards hat running up and down the sideline. So
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be the rah-rah CEO guy in
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a situation– I left the room. I had to go
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom so bad. It was like 50 seconds left.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: They're going to walk off field goal, and I came–
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and I look on social– I'm like– so I had
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: to rewatch it. I couldn't believe– Jaden– Some of it,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I guess, is on the quarterback. You just look over like,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: shouldn't I just dirt the ball with 10 seconds to go?
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: And then we kick it. This isn't the end of
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the game. A field goal. You could have kicked the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: field goal 45 seconds.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: The game's over.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Everyone's touched the ball. This is overtime. You just leave.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: But to me, Dan Quinn has to, again, another coordinator,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: 31 years old, 31 years old. You know, Ditka just
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: passed in his era. It would have been unheard of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to give these guys chances at that age, not even
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: because they were anti young, talented people. I couldn't trust
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: you in these situations. You have this quarterback who's been injured.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: He's coming back. I just don't understand how Dan Quinn,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: who's literal job, because I'm with you. You know, I
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: was in Philly when Andy was in the peak of
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the late game. There's a lot going on in some
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: of these situations. Sometimes the quarterbacks are exhausted when, you know,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it happens a lot on explosive plays. They get a
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: delay a game because everyone's huffing and puffing down the field,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: not paying attention. Everyone was stagnant on this. There was
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: because this started with like 50 seconds when they when
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: they ran the play and then they got up and
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: they just kind of waited around and then they snapped
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: it at whatever in the team's. Dan Quinn would have
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: had to say something, just start screaming from the sideline.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like any coach that weren't their salt in
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the history of the league would have just taken over
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: from the sideline and started screaming at Jaden Daniels. So
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: for him to do what ended up happening was, even
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the announcers, because I don't think anyone, you see John
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh's quotes, like, yeah, I didn't envision that happening. I mean,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: in his mind, he thinks they've lost the game. So
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Dan Quinn is Look who their owner is, too, a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: basketball guy. They've run through a bunch of coaches with
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the Sixers. If this year does not go well, Nurse
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: will get fired. I mean, that's what this guy's used
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to doing. So, you know, I think Dan's hung his
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: hat on being a good guy. And he had a
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: good run with the Cowboys, right? Their defense was good.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Ever since that ending with the Green Bay Packers, I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: know they had that one year touched by the Angels
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of winning some of those games. It has been now
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: two years of embarrassing. Like, really, that's... that might be
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: one of the worst moments in the history of the league.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I thought again, I very rarely have I thought, if
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I thought, wow, that's a fireable offense, but it's, if
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I have, it's been with a coach that's already in trouble.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: You're not going to do that with Ben Johnson or
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Sean McVay, but when you're already questioning kind of a
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: coach and what the franchise last year, um, You know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: they beat Seattle, and I thought, okay, that's a reprieve.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: That's a nice win for him. But, I mean, the
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: immediate reaction in an East Coast city, East Coast talk
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: radio owners, they listen to it. They read. They listen
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: for reaction. It's– I think.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Has anyone ever been fired after a tie? It'd probably
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: be the first time in a season after a tie, but–
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I would say it's probably above a 50% chance. I
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: would not be stunned at all because this team now,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the NFC East is in shambles. I mean, it's there
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: to be taken. If Washington wins that game, Jaden was
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: making some plays. Sonny Stiles made some plays. You'd be like, oh,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: we got a little moment. The division's wide open. Eagles stink.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: The Giants have a backup quarterback. I'd even go back
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: before the play. They're up 14 points. against Jameis Winston,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: who had not looked good in that game in the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I think with like eight minutes.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: And he just caught fire.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Giants got the ball back. He caught fire and they
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: got annihilated for two drives of 14 points. For a
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: split second when they scored the second touchdown, and I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: know Harbaugh's old school conservative, I thought you could have
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: gone for two there and just ended them. But he
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: kicked the extra point and then obviously tied the game.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Steelers 34 Colts 22. Um, I think McCarthy and Aaron Rogers,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: we'd probably agree on this high ceiling, excuse me, high floor,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: pretty low ceiling. They're not real creative or clever. Aaron
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: spun for a big play today, but he doesn't move
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: like he used to, but it is the third straight
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: game where their offenses look beyond competent. Jalen Warren was good. Uh, Bernard,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the receiver, had 80 yards. Friermuth had a couple of touchdowns,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: seven yards of play, two for two in the red zone.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: When I watch them today, I think Pittsburgh's actually got
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a little better talent. Now, some of it's older. Hayward,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: TJ Watt, some of it's older. Like the Niners, that's okay.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I tend to think it's an organization. They play really
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: well at home. Their defense at home tends to play
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: a little better. You know, situationally, they've got old, smart players.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: But Aaron, you know, I looked up and he was
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: 10 for 10. I kind of I kind of feel
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: like what the Steelers are going to be at their
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: best this year was today is that. DK Metcalf, Warren, Bernard, Friermuth.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Aaron's moving pretty well. As you well know, when you
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: hit that age, you go into some of those games
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: and you're not healthy and you're dinged up. Aaron looked
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: pretty spry today. And I think Mike McCarthy got hired
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: to move. I mean, he's not the most progressive offensive coach, John,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: but they decided, let's hire an offensive coach. We can't
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: get some things right. I think you're seeing the Mike
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: McCarthy effect. I think he's squeezing much more juice out
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: of this offense than the previous staff would have.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I think one game changer so far this year,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: because DK has been pretty underwhelming, is Jalen Warren is
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: doing what they gave DK $ 150 million to do. He had, what,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: a 50-yard run. He had a 75, 80-yard catch. I mean,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and he did that in the Cincinnati game. He's had
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: explosive plays.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: So one issue last year for him was like, God,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: he's kind of dink and dunk to the seven tight
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: ends they have. Remember last year they were a seven
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: tight end offense with like DK Metcalf. Well, now it
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: feels like, you know, they got multiple wide receivers that
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: he trusts, even if DK is not doing that much.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: The tight ends are still there. And Warren has really
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: been a game changer for him because the explosive home
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: run hitting speed. and anytime that you're just busting off
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: 50 yard runs or 80 yard screen passes it technically
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't whatever that was it's it makes a lot easier
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: on Aaron because that that guy you know they say
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: what's the best you're you know a quarterback's best friend
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the run game I would just say a running back
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: in general that you can throw it to because running
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: back ain't going to be far away from the line
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage and Aaron is going to get rid of
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the ball fast now in the they can't really make
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you pay because their defensive lines probably average. I mean, Indies,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: that thing is. Well, they're giving up.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: They're giving up.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I thought, I thought Pittsburgh was by far the better team.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: The score reflects what I witnessed. And Aaron's Aaron was good.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was really solid. He was, and he
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: was into it. You can, you can tell he's pointed
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: McCarthy after a play called a friar move, trying to,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I think some, I'm sure they talked about on a
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Wednesday or Thursday that would work. And, Their relationship is
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: much like my grandparents when I was a kid. Been
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: married for 50 years, seen a lot. Some days they
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: love each other, some days just stay away. There's nothing
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: like that in the NFL. Even McCarthy calling him the asshole.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: No one else would have said that, but he's known
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: him for... so long it's and aaron was acting like
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: my nine-year-old or nine-month-old son on the field so it's
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: their relationship's just an outlier to the entire like you
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: know so i i didn't even get that i'd make
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: that big a deal of it i'm like only.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Well and i also i defended this week i said
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: i i tend to defend players who um in the
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: heat of the game jeff saturday and peyton manning are
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: going after it Eric Biennemi and Mahomes are going after it.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Brady and Josh McDaniels. I'm going to give Aaron, you know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: it's like, come on, let's get to playing.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give players always the benefit of the
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: doubt when you're in the heat of the battle. It
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: shows me you care. So I defended Peyton and Jeff Saturday, Mahomes, Brady.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: That's not ego to me. Now, if you're yelling at
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: him in the hallway, in the facility on a Wednesday,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: you're a jerk if you're trying to humiliate him. But, John,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: you know this. I mean, you– You know, podcasting is
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: not live. I've been doing a show before in my
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: life and there's major screw ups. And during the commercial break,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I got a bark and I don't like it. But
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: like when you're in the heat of the battle in life,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: you could be, you know, in court. You could be
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: in a doctor's office. Like, you got patients sitting in
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the chair. Like, you need people to respond. I'm really
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: going to defend the quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, here because he
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: was yelling about the right thing. Get the plan. He
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: wasn't yelling to be a jerk. He wasn't yelling because
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: the receiver, you know, fumbled after getting shelled. He was
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: yelling about the right thing, which is let's be faster
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and more efficient. So I will defend Aaron on that.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Denver 23. Charger 17. This is classic. First three quarters,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix passer rating 72. Last two drives, Bo Nix
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: passer rating 103. So I will say, you know, they
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: can't solve the problem. I think what's happened, and I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: really noticed it today because I really watched for it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I think Bo Nix has lost some of his confidence.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: It could be confidence in the play calling or confidence
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: in himself. But there are positions in this sport, quarterbacks
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: one of them, You know, we know in all sports
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: how you feel about yourself. Like, let's let's look at
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Marvin Harris in Arizona. He clearly has lost his confidence.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: He needs a new organization. He may go to Houston
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: and flourish, but he lost his confidence in Arizona with
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the operation and himself. That's my take today is that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: charges are broken. That season's over. Denver's too talented. Bo
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Nix does have some talent, but I think he I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: just think he's lost his confidence.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I wrote down through three quarters, they had
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: 133 yards of total offense. I mean, he looked pretty terrible.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy. I mean, the Chargers are
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: not any good. Today, you know, they make Sean takes
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: over play calling. It'll look the exact same. Is there
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: a chance that this is all the quarterback and has
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the play call? And for whatever reason,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: he just gets into this complete desperation mode with six
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: minutes on the clock and can play a little looser.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: They also got the ball twice because of these turnovers
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: from the Chargers. So it's not like he's driving them
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: 80 yards down the field. I'm at the point right now,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I know they won. I don't think the Broncos are
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: that good because their quarterback's not that good. And you can't.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: You know, last year was a pretty big outlier season,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: winning all those games. You can't sustain playing like this.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Look at what happened when they played a good team
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: last week. They lost by 10 points because you can't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: have no offense. I mean, they have no offense, Colin.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's in the mid-80s, midway through the third quarter,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: to a team that people are slicing and dicing. It's just,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you can't even fucking... And this is Sean Payton now
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: calling the plays. So it's... I don't... I I'm starting
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: to be like, I'm kind of out. I mean, I'm
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: just out on this. And sometimes for whatever reason, things
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: just don't work. And whatever his major flaws, I don't
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: know if it's mental because physical, he could, we've seen
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: him make incredible throws in these big moments. He's a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: good athlete, but in just the flow of the game,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, Looks like Jalen Hurts in the flow of
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: these games. Like, this is awful. I mean, I had
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: them on two separate TVs. I'm like, this is an
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: awful watch. This is not an enjoyable product. If I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: was just a random consumer on my off day, I'm like, I.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Don't want to watch this crap. I talked to people before.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: He threw for 123 yards, Colin. Less than five yards
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: in a 10.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I talked to people before the draft. I liked him
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: because I saw him play twice. I liked him more
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: than all my executives liked him. Everybody thought he was
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: kind of late first, you know, kind of 39th pick.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix sit for a couple of years. But Sean, remember,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: they wanted Russell gone. They didn't have any draft capital
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: because they used it to get Sean. They had dead
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: cap money. So it was like I think Sean talked
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: himself into he's got 61 college starts. He doesn't take sacks.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: He doesn't turn it over. He won't get in the way.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think Sean thought he was the best quarterback
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: in the draft. I think Sean thought we don't have
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: the draft capital to move up. And he's got 61
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: college starts. He's got a little bit of a breeze comp.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you can talk yourself into a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: lot of things. Stories are out now that Sean liked
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the fact that he There was no negative plays with him.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: He didn't turn it over. Like he was a guy
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: that could come in and run Sean's offense and listen
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: to him, which Russell Wilson was just kind of had
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: a style and couldn't change the style. But I think
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I think and this happens to all of us in life.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it could be a relationship. It could be a
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: business partner. You talk yourself into stuff because you're in
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: a bad place. Denver was in a bad place. dead
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: cap hell, and they'd given away draft capital. But they
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: actually had some really good players. Sean Payton had a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: bumpy first year. And his thing is, I want to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: win now. I don't want to teach a kid how
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: to play football. This guy's dad was a coach. He
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: went to Auburn.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: He went to Oregon.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: He's been on both coasts. He's been in two conferences,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: played a lot of college games. He's ready to start
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: and play. And you talk yourself into it. Because I
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: know Sean's told me he likes him. But I also
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: think is that he's also a guy, the more film
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: you get, the more I mean, he succeeds late for
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. He's usually playing from behind, or
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: a defense is more fatigued, and Denver's got really nice personnel.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: But I think if he lost today, I think you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: go to the backup. I mean, I think the win
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: keeps him starting. You can't watch it.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: For a split second until the Chargers completely unraveled, when
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: it was 17-10, it felt like they were going to lose.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like the thing was melting down.
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• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: You don't want to break down Jets-Browns? Oh, God.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, Titans games are unwatchable. Like, there's some
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: of this stuff. And we got a great one tomorrow, Rams-Bills.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: If they were playing today, that would probably have been
• 1:05:41
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  Speaker 2: a new great coach in college football, Kurt Cignetti or
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman, whenever we find– a great new coach. And
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: this guy at UCLA, you told me before the season,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: did you not? You told me, keep your eye on UCLA.
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  Speaker 2: So they get, he comes from James Madison, Bob Chesney.
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  Speaker 2: Is that his name?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bob replaced Cignetti when he went to Indiana.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: You'll have to edit that. Bob Chesney, who replaced Kurt Cignetti.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: So Cignetti, Marcus Freeman, and this guy. They all use
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: the same formula, really physical, going to build a run
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: game in an offensive line, excellent at the line of scrimmage,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: not a lot of frills, not a lot of nonsense.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: So he brings the running back Wayne Knight from his program,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: had 22 carries against Oregon. Oregon, by the way, lost
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Will Stein, a great offensive coordinator. He went to Kentucky,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: which beat LSU and Lane Kiffin this week. So, you know, listen, sometimes, John,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: as you know, we've seen this with the Detroit Lions.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: You lose a Ben Johnson. Well, there's not a Ben
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Johnson on the market. You downgrade coordinators. Whoever replaced Will Stein,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Will Stein's a brilliant young football coach. It's going to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: be hard to replace him. So they're just not as
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: good offensively. But watching what this guy's done, They doubled
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Oregon in rushing yards, dominated time of possession. Bob Chesney
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: is Signetti, is Marcus Freeman. Whenever somebody catches our eye,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: it's almost, I mean, this is why we love Mike Ditka.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: This is why we love Nick Saban. intense line of scrimmage,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: not a lot of frills, run the football, win time
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: of possession, be smart late. I mean, they had penalties,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: but I look at them right now. And also because
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: of the transfer portal, John, you can do this quicker.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: You know, like Nick Saban in the transfer portal era
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: would not have lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: at Alabama. Like you can do it now in a year.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: You can bring your star players. That's what Signetti did
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: to Indiana from James Madison. But I looked at UCLA
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: and my take watching that game was you better start
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: renegotiating his contract right now. Pay him more. Have punitive outs.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: If he leaves, he's got to because most of those
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: young coaches have never made great money. And it's like L.A.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: 's expensive. But I think UCLA has their best football
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: coach in a long time.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, Colin, this gets back to what we talk
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: about some of these spread offense coaches. Like, why do
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: their defenses always struggle? Sark has so much money, he
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: can just buy the best players. But if he couldn't, like, historically,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: his defenses have never lived up to how well he
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: recruits because that's established in practice. So you use Cignetti,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman, and Bob Chesney. What do you think their
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: practices look like? The majority of it is running the ball.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: When Nico gets hurt yesterday, it's like, whatever. I think
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: they've thrown for four touchdowns on the season. They were 5-0.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Or 4-0. They're not as dependent on Pat. He's not
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: running four and five verticals for periods on end on
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday in the middle of practice. Where a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: lot of these other offensive guys, Lane is a good example.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: What do you think Lane wants to do most of?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Throw the ball. That's what a lot of these guys.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: And I don't even blame them. But that's like... One
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: thing that this guy clearly is going to hang his
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: hat on is we're going to be tougher than you.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: It's why after the game, when landing kind of transition,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: still talking about USC, but into UCLA, he had a
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: lot of respect for UCLA because of the way they play.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Cause coming from Kirby and Nick, that's a mindset. That's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: in theory, how Oregon kind of wants to operate, but
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: their quarterback was so bad. And, I don't know what's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: going on with them. I mean, they got 200 people
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: getting paid, not working.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Remember, Dante Moore can move. The backup, who played well
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: against USC, but remember, he comes into the game against
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: USC in the middle of the game, so you haven't
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: scouted him. You're preparing for Dante Moore and his kind
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: of viability and his mobility. This kid's a pocket quarterback,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: so UCLA knew where he was going to be. He
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: didn't play well. He's kind of a plotting athlete. And
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: it was ugly, but I was just taken by when
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: you watched UCLA play, you're like, it's Cignetti. It's just
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: run the ball, line of scrimmage, no frills. If you
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: have to give a running back 25 carries, that's what
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: you do. Dominate time of possession, go on the road,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: get the crowd to be quiet. You control the ball.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: It was just like watching Indiana in Cignetti's first year
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: where they were good, but Remember his first year? But
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: they just weren't. They didn't have the quarterback. They weren't explosive. Right.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Like last year, they get Mendoza. And it's like, oh, OK,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: now it all comes together. Indiana, to me, has kind
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: of regressed to the first year with Hoover, which is
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: they're really good. They're not quite as explosive offensively. There's
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: some limitations. But I feel like I was watching Indiana
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: first year Signetti. I'm like, that's how you do it.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Physicality jumps to the television.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Well, you hit it on the head when you started
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: with the money thing with the coaches. UCLA has never
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: had to deal with this, ever. Nothing even close to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: be like, you know what the going rate is for
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: a top guy? You know what his coordinators make if
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: he wants to keep them? We're talking $ 2- 3 million. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: especially in this conference. Now, he's not just leaving for
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: any random job at this point in time. Like, to me,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: he feels like a pretty regal big time. But Indiana,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: kind of used to a lot of success, you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: in the basketball program historically, knows what sports mean. Boom,
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  Speaker 1: take care of him now. Signetti and his coordinators are
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: making millions of dollars. UCLA, Big Ten's in a little
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: trouble this year for the playoff spots. Ohio State in.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident Indiana is going to be in.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: After that, you look at UCLA does not play Ohio State.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Their toughest game left is USC, maybe at Michigan, but
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Michigan's been terrible. A lot of.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin, Michigan State, Nevada.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: They're going to be a playoff team, probably. 10-2 playoffs.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because USC's 6-1, but they have.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Ohio State at home. They do not match up. USC
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: secondary is an issue. They do not match up with
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Ohio State. Then they go to Indiana and then it's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: at UCLA. So if you if a betting person, UCLA
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: has an absolute route to the playoff. By the way,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Cignetti's first year from James Madison to Indiana playoffs. What
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: did they lack? Yeah. offensive wow. They were good. They
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: didn't have penalties. The special teams were good, but they
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: didn't have wow. Mendoza was the wow. So I'm telling you,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I'm watching them. I'm like, that's the first Indiana team.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: That's what they look like. Kind of ugly, no frills,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: kind of control the clock. And you look up and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, Indiana's kind of good. And then they
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: played Notre Dame in the playoff. They just didn't have
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: any firepower.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I know UCLA historically wasn't as bad as Indiana, the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: all-time losingest program. But last year, wasn't it week one
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: they played New Mexico and UCLA lost like 40 to nothing?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: And you knew right away, you're like, this Deshaun Foster
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: thing is not– it had hit an Indiana low. Like
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: this program's at an all-time low. So to come and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: do this immediately– the other thing is like whatever JMU–
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: to bring in the running back, and I'm sure he's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: got other transfers– Signetti did the same thing. We're seeing
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Penn State bring Iowa State. They can't play in the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Big Ten. These guys don't belong in the Big Ten.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Some of these guys that move programs and bring their
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: guys with them, it's like, yeah, this is not good enough.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: You've seen it at Penn State when he brought all
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: his Iowa State guys. You're like, this is not good
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: enough here. Yet these guys from JMU, they just come
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: and they don't just belong. You're like, is this one
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: of the best players in the conference? Remember with Cignetti,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: it was immediate. It was like that Pons. It was
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: like multiple guys. You're like, Jesus. So whatever they're doing
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: at that program, it's got to be one of the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: most incredible four-year stretches of Cignetti and then this guy
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: for a couple years and what they produced of getting
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: kids in a day and age when you can transfer portal,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: land guys, steal guys. Pretty incredible story, Colin. They are...
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Not the funnest watch. You got to like some old
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: school football, but it's a pretty great story.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Good coaching jumps off the television. UCLA looks very well coached.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma 27, Texas 24. This is why I want to
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: talk about this game. I think I've told you this before.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: All SART teams are the same. Big, talented, skillful, good
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: quarterback play. Little loose on the details. They had a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: blocked punt. They had eight penalties. There was a pick
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: six by Arch Manning. I feel like all Sark— Sark does
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: the big stuff very well. He's good with your AD.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: He's good with the boosters. He's great on recruiting. he
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: tends to be able to, he's got a good eye
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: for personnel. But penalty, every time I watch a big
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: game with them, I'm like, oh, they'll have like a
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: horrible half or a terrible special teams play or too
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: many penalties. I feel like all Sark teams look the same.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: It's not a criticism, it's a reality. But I was
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: thinking about this with Arch Manning. He's 6'4, 222, mobile,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: good arm and smart. He is really inconsistent. So was
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy in college. And I look at Arch Manning,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: and I thought, of course, he should play another year
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: of college. Wouldn't hurt him at all. But my takeaway is,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: how many years has he been there? Is this year four?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: And my take is, isn't he really better? Because he's
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: going to get drafted. He's big.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: He moves.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: He's smart. He's a Manning. And he does have, I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: don't know if he has a plus arm, but he
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: makes some nice throws. He's just all over the map consistently.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: My take is NFL coaching, if you get the right guy,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: is better than college coaching. And being in an NFL
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: facility is better than being on a college campus. And
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: I'm watching Arch, and I'm thinking to myself, he's never
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: going to be super consistent at college. He needs to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: get NFL coaching. I mean, he's been in that. He's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: got the ecosystem of the Mannings. He's listening to high-end
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: conversations about quarterback play since he was six. And I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: watched them and I said, you know, we can just
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: keep saying, because I don't think Texas is going to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: win a national championship. They make too many mistakes. Sark
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: will always make the playoffs. They'll always have NFL guys.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: But hell, they've got a star receiver, a star quarterback,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: a star left tackle, a star edge rusher, an offensive coach,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: and they're losing to Oklahoma. What about this argument? is
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: that certain quarterbacks, they're not going to get significantly better
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: in college. And by the way, a week ago, you
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: could have talked me into Arch Manning staying in college. Absolutely.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: But I'm watching him and I'm thinking he's big, he moves,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: he's smart. He's got a ton of college starts now
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: by the end of the year. Why not just draft
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: him and sit him for a year or two?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Draft him where?
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, he'll go first round.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: To me, I mean, I know he's made some highlight
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: plays throughout his career, even a couple in this game.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: The unraveling at the end of the game, I mean,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the scramble pick six. Oklahoma has no offense, Colin, like none.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Their quarterback is, I would say, one of the quote-unquote
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: bigger busts of the year in college. But he didn't
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: turn it over, and that kind of turned out to
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: be the difference in the game. I mean, Arch, the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: one pick six, it's like he thought he was Russell Wilson. Coleman,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: when you watch the behind, he's open streaking across the field,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: and Arch just air mails it. The pick was obviously
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: really bad. The second one that led to the game-winning field,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: that just can't happen. You can't turn the ball over.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: When you listen to Brady, there are certain things with players, dude,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: that just to his inner football core, make him want
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: to just like jump out of the booth, you know,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: because he's been trained the way to think. And a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: lot of it is, it's all decision-making. It's not, it's like,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Tom's like, I couldn't run like Sam or Purdy, but
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: you just can't make that throw in that spot. You're
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: better off just hitting the ground. And he's a younger player,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: but like you said, this isn't, I watched Keelan Russell
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: last night against Georgia, and you're watching this redshirt freshman
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: against a team full of I.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know how many like seven, seven guys
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: will get drafted.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, probably all 11 of the starters will
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: eventually play in the NFL and you just see like, okay.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And as the game went, he just kind of calms down.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I do think there's like an innate feel for the position.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: That's my issue back with Bo Nix. You just watch
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: and you're like, something's off. You can give me the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: quarterback rating or some of his touchdowns in the fourth quarter.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I almost feel like there's a luck involved because I don't,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: think that's normal. It's like, you're not going to do this.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: John Elway had a lot of fourth quarter comebacks. He
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: also had a lot of just normal games, you know?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: And the thing with Arch is like, okay, he makes
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: a couple of nice passes. And then throughout the course
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: of the game, they do nothing. I mean, their offense
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: throughout the year has been pretty bad and they are
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: clearly spending a lot of money. Camp Coleman is a two,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: $ 3 million wide receiver who had a pretty good game,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: but he's getting open all the time and Arch can't
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: hit him. And I think there's just a natural inaccuracy
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: with him. Yeah. Whether he's thinking too much, whether there's
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a timing and rhythm to it, but it's just you
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: watch him. I've been watching football to know something's off.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not into those type players. Again, it's not his
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: fault that it's his last name and a bunch of
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: people kind of shit on him. But that was pretty bad.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I also think this. They're in the SEC,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like an SEC game when those
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: two teams play, right? That is a really big deal
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: to those two programs. It means everything.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Well, especially for Venables. And Texas.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: For Venables, it was huge. I mean, it was leaking oil.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: People were down on them. But for Texas, they got
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of people stroking big time checks for this
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: team to win the national championship. And when they're down
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: to stomp about, you know, Oklahoma has never beat Texas.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: I saw yesterday when they've been unranked in Texas, been
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: a top 10 team, let alone number one. Now, was
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Texas a normal number one team? Probably not. But they
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: had earned to be a top five ish team. And
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: they couldn't run away from because they have no offense.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: And how often do you have like a quote-unquote first-round
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: quarterback where you clearly have a lot of skill around
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: you and your offense is just bad every single game?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Beside the fourth quarter in Ohio State when he just
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: kind of let it rip. But throughout the other games,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: El Paso, Oklahoma, they just look terrible. So I have
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: a hard time. If this guy's an NFL quarterback– A
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: first round quarterback, you would think they would just have
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: stretches for like two quarters where they're just scoring with
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: the talent he has around him.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch him. He has a certain anxiety. Bo
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Nix has this too. Lamar Jackson showed a little bit
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: of this in the playoffs where sometimes with Lamar, you'd
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, he's tight. Lamar is so hard on Lamar.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Like Lamar gets so visibly tight. mad at himself. It's like, Lamar,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: you're great.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: But sometimes Lamar on the playoff, she'd be like, oh,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: he's tight. Bo Nix looks tight. Sometimes Arch does. He
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: looks nervous almost. I remember his first game last year
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: against Ohio State, not this year, last year. He skipped
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: balls from 15 yards. Oh my God. His mechanics, it's
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: all in his head. I think a lot of it
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: is the manning thing, but I'm watching him and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: he's big, he moves, he's smart, he's manning. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's just better off to go pros and sit
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: for two years and get round-the-clock coaching because I kind
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: of just feel like what he is in college, the
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: longer he stays, the more you see, the more flaws
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  Speaker 2: he'll have. He could get hurt. I wonder if this
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  Speaker 2: is just sort of what he's going to be even
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  Speaker 2: as a pro, just an inconsistent quarterback. I'm like, I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: don't mind the picks. Again, Brock Purdy threw a ton
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  Speaker 2: in college. Josh Allen was sometimes– I watched him against
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Oregon and Iowa in college. He was awful. There are
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks who– Brady is a great example. I mean, good God,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, North Carolina State said, we're not even going
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: to start yet. So guys' college routes are different. The
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  Speaker 2: college pressure is the college coaching grade. Sark's above average coach.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like with Art sometimes, there's so much
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: state school of Texas. It almost feels like, God, I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: wish a small market team. I wish, honestly, like– He
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: would go to Minnesota or something. A franchise we don't
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: talk a lot about. He could go to a franchise
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  Speaker 2: and hide a little bit, although he's Arch Manning, so
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: he probably couldn't hide.
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought after the Ohio State win, you
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: kind of get the monkey off your back. Biggest win
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  Speaker 1: in the program since some of the peak Mack Brown era.
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  Speaker 1: They'd be loose and they'd start rolling because they have
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: talent everywhere. Then they've just looked, I mean, UTSA, the
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: arch was getting killed. Tennessee game was just a slog.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: This Oklahoma game, now that Florida's bad, but then they
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: still got Trinidad. They got Mississippi State. The Missouri quarterback's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: pretty damn good. They play at LSU. I know LSU's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: not great, but that's going to be a tough environment.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that game's going to be at night. I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: just have no confidence in him, in them, as an
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: offense to win these games. And I do think it
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: shows you Speaking of Chesney or Cignetti, these guys that
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: don't have the– even Freeman. Freeman's hype is he's at
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, but he's not talked about like Lane and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Sark and even the Saban guys. I mean, Sark and Lane–
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  Speaker 1: The hype machine behind them doesn't equal the results. DeBoer's
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: a good example. I know they lost, but you see
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Kalen with a real team. He's going toe-to-toe with Kirby.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing with Arch. You just watch
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks, Stockton's older and Kalen Russell's younger. But
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: as that game's going, both of them are just comfortable
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: playing in that environment, which I can't even imagine. you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't even hear yourself think. And I just, I don't
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: see it with, and it's not, I'm not putting it
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  Speaker 1: all on arch is the Texas program. It starts with
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  Speaker 1: their coach. There's a softness to it. Sark, I think
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: has a lot of parallels with the Lincoln. I even
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: think lane falls under this as well. You know, they're
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: just at their core. These guys are like quarterback kind
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: of softer guys. You see the Kirby thing going viral,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: like Kirby. I mean, Kirby would be like shattering concrete
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: if he wasn't working in football. You know, these guys
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: are just wired a little bit. Marcus Freeman was a
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: linebacker at Ohio State. I mean, you see the thing
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: going viral on Mario Cristobal in the pregame talk. How
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: do you think Mario talks to his team and Lane
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: and Sark? The offensive guys just talk differently. They just do.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: In college, in the NFL, guys get up for it themselves,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: especially older veterans. Trent Williams doesn't need a rah-rah speech.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: It's more about scheme. In college, the motivation and the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: drive and the focus during the week and the standard
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: And there's a toughness that coaches bring. And I think
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: you see some of these guys that, I mean, Sark, Lane, Lincoln,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are making a combined, what, like
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: $ 40 million? There's just something they can buy, especially Lane
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: and Sark can buy the top defensive guys. They're just
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: not tough guys. They're just not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Mike Ditka passed away. I mean, Nick
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Saban documentary. Look at Saban and all the good press
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Saban gets in this documentary and look at Mike Ditka passing.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: What were they? Loud, intense, demanding, relentless, my way or
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: the highway. There is something about the football culture in America.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: It simply works. Mike Ditka, nobody thought he was a
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: better player than a coach, even though he helped build
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl champ. But the reality with Mike is
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: he could be a bully. So could Saban. I mean,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Saban would be throwing headsets at 18-year-old, you know, not
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: at the kids, but throwing them during games. Some of
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: it's like, wow, this is over the top. He's barking
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: at Kiffin. The reality of, we talked about Bob Chesney
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: and Kurt Cignetti and Marcus Freeman. The one way to
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: turn around a program, it's always been physicality. And by
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: the way, this is not the NBA. There's no load management.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: There's no pandering. You know, Adam Silver's like, my players
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: are miserable. They read Twitter all day. It's so negative.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine a football coach saying that? Roger Goodell
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: saying that about pro football players. Is that if you
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: look at Kirby Smart, he's a lot more like Saban
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: and Ditka, right? Like, we allow that in football. And frankly,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: if you look at Saban's ex-players and Ditka's ex-players, they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: love him. They appreciate it. And I think the American
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: football culture, at its core, you play hurt, you play for,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: you sacrifice for the team, and pretty eventually unravels. And
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I think you saw that with Lane this weekend. I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: think you saw it with Sark this weekend. And I
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: think eventually with Lincoln. I mean, it's a fair criticism,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: even against Penn State. The defense didn't look great. I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: think your point's well taken. There is something about football.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I watched New England today, And how
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: they have changed in the last two weeks, outplaying Buffalo
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: and destroying the Raiders. That team three weeks ago was
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: an absolute freaking mess. That is a, you know there
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: was some volume at those New England practices. In the hallway.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you put your head down, you walk past
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: the meeting, keep quiet.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: They pushed Buffalo around. They pushed the Raiders around. The
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: way these kind of guys like Saban, Course Correct, or Ditka,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: or Vrabel, It's always run the ball and be more physical.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: That they forced Josh Allen to have a horrible day.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins was lost. At its core, ground zero for
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: football at its best. It's kind of inappropriate. It's kind
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: of rough around the edges. Go watch the old Jimmy
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Johnson stuff where Jimmy's like, I couldn't have done that today.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: You could not do that today. So rest in peace
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: to Mike.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's very inappropriate kind of at its core.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think people like it. And I
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: think most people that, you know, a large percentage of
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: people that played football, the farthest they ever get to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: high school. And even they, you know, no one watched
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: them play, but they had a similar experience. You get
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: yelled at double days, no water. I mean, the culture
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: for the majority of Americans that played football up into
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: the last like 10, 12 years is, All kind of similar.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Some were just on higher levels, but double days existed
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: when I was in high school. I mean, I think
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people have that shared experience of like
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: a lot less people go to the military. but I think,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's why a lot of people that played
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: football have appreciation for that. There's just a hierarchy. You listen,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: you respect it. You kind of respect your opponent. I
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: saw they had a quote today that I think Burkhart
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: said that Mike McDonald used to get like me versus
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: this guy, me versus Kyle, whoever, when I was defensive coordinator.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Then he realized I can't think like that because that's
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: just that you got to just think me versus the opponent.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: It's almost like Coughlin used to have this like humble
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: and victory because you start feeling yourself. You'll get knocked
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: in the teeth the next week fast. I don't care
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: who you are. So, yeah, I mean, it's that Bama
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Georgia game. You talk about physicality, too. I mean, that's.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: All right, John, you can trade the Rams to beat
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: the Bills at 62%. I had a good day. I
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: like the Rams in this game. Remember, Joe Brady is
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: a rookie coach. San Francisco beat Seattle. Rams cannot afford
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: to fall further behind San Francisco. I think the Rams sat,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: that team sat and watched that San Francisco-Seattle game. I
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: think they're motivated, inspired by it. I like the Rams tomorrow.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: I like the Bills. I think it's a pretty good matchup.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Rams secondary, you still can get after. And the number
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: one thing is Stafford can't move. And the Bills defense
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: got some question marks. They can rush the passer, though.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: They can rush the passer. So if they can get
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: after Stafford, it could be a long night. The volume.
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