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Hutton & Withrow: Lincoln Riley’s $70M USC Problem + Derrick Mason Goes OFF on Refs | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 3: Derek Mason getting reprimanded for saying this.
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  Speaker 4: Coming off a tough loss to Jack State and facing
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  Speaker 4: a really good football team. I just got off the
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  Speaker 4: phone with Trey. I just had some serious dialogue about
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  Speaker 4: the referee calls in this damn ball game. I'm tired
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  Speaker 4: of the bulls * * t. Excuse my French. I'm tired.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, we've got to get
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  Speaker 4: to a point where these damn referees show up and
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  Speaker 4: do their damn job. OK, man, there's over, you know,
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  Speaker 4: 17 submitted, you know, man, holding calls. OK, man, against
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  Speaker 4: a really good Jack State team, man, that were ready
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  Speaker 4: and available. OK, and they were at the point of confrontation.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought, man, this was straight up bull. OK,
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  Speaker 4: like for us, man, man, I don't mind, you know, man,
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  Speaker 4: a loss. And I'm not one to ever get in
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  Speaker 4: front of the media and talk about like these types
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  Speaker 4: of things. But at the end of the day, man,
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  Speaker 4: these referees got to be better. They got to do
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  Speaker 4: their damn job and be better. Okay, man? And that's
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  Speaker 4: a message going out to everybody, okay, who reps these
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  Speaker 4: damn games.
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  Speaker 1: Chad, I was going to stand up and give a
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  Speaker 1: standing ovation.
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  Speaker 3: Just a standing ovation. But then I hear holding. Holding calls?
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  Speaker 3: 17 holding? I can find holding on every single snap.
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  Speaker 3: Why'd you stop at 17, coach? Do your damn job.
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  Speaker 3: Submit more than 17 if you're going to go into holding.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, man. I got to look at– by the way,
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  Speaker 3: they lost 23 to 13. Stopped at 17. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: go to 18. He stopped at 17.
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  Speaker 2: They lost 23 to 13. And I'm trying to find
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  Speaker 2: the penalty stats in the game for them versus– let's
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  Speaker 2: see here. Penalties for MTSU, seven for 55.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's not bad at all for any game. Not
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  Speaker 3: a single one was deserved, though. Three for 30 for
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  Speaker 3: Jacksonville State.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to claim that all seven of our,
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  Speaker 2: which they weren't because it's 55 yards, but we got
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  Speaker 2: six holding penalties to their done, and we were doing
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  Speaker 2: the same thing they were, which was holding on every play.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't call them. This game is glorious. You've got
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  Speaker 3: it right. This game is glorious.
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  Speaker 2: If you think they're going to call 17 holding penalties
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  Speaker 2: over the course of a game, then you're crazy. I've
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  Speaker 2: got 17 instances where holding should have been called. No ref,
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  Speaker 2: I can't recall a game where 17 holds were called
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  Speaker 2: on one team if you think all those are going.
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  Speaker 3: To get called.
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  Speaker 2: This also is so out of character for Derek Mason
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  Speaker 2: to act this way. Like, I don't ever recall seeing
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  Speaker 2: him this angry in a press conference or doing this.
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  Speaker 2: This is the work of a desperate man.
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  Speaker 3: I hope. This is the work of a guy who's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what? It's not going well. I'm losing. I
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  Speaker 3: better just start blaming the officials.
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  Speaker 1: I can only hope, Chad. We had, what, 10 total
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  Speaker 1: penalties in this entire game?
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  Speaker 3: Is that what you said?
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  Speaker 2: No. There were 10 total penalties for 85 total yards.
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  Speaker 3: This is officiating, ladies and gentlemen. 10.
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  Speaker 1: What I hear is, I have a coach who's inept
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't know that he can get away with holding
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  Speaker 1: in this game. He can get away with holding this game.
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  Speaker 1: Tell your team to hold instead of trying to nitpick
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  Speaker 1: 17 other penalties that you're going to send into the
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  Speaker 1: league office. The Conference USA league office. Is there a
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  Speaker 1: league office for Conference USA? I've never heard of it.
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  Speaker 1: What are they going to do? What are they going
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  Speaker 1: to do? No, I think this is a fan's dream.
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  Speaker 1: Come to MTSU and play in games where the refs
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  Speaker 1: don't take over the game. This is what I've been
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  Speaker 1: longing for.
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  Speaker 3: This is what should be preached from the mountaintop.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, we're going to send in 17 examples, just not 18,
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  Speaker 1: not 18, 17 examples of holding that should have been
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  Speaker 1: called in this game. There's holding on every single play.
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  Speaker 3: There is a flag. Trust me. Go to the NFL preseason.
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  Speaker 3: There is a flag.
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  Speaker 1: Go to week one across high school football. There is
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  Speaker 1: a flag on every single play. When can we just
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  Speaker 1: keep the flag in the pockets?
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  Speaker 3: When?
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  Speaker 1: The answer is Conference USA. Derek Mason, GTFO, if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to complain about this.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. 517 yards to 319 for Jacksonville State.
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville State had two turnovers. MTSU had zero.
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  Speaker 3: In that game.
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  Speaker 2: See?
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  Speaker 3: A 23-13 game. Perfect game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a 23-13 game. I say all those stats. That
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  Speaker 2: feels pretty legit to me. They outgained you by 200 yards.
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  Speaker 2: They won the game by 10 points. They are one
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  Speaker 2: of the better teams in Conference USA. You lost by 10,
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  Speaker 2: and you want.
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  Speaker 3: 17 holding calls.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to crush a coach for being honest.
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  Speaker 2: 17 holding calls. He specifically says holding. Not just procedural issues. Also,
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  Speaker 2: it's really tough when you're going to get– the subjective
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  Speaker 2: part of it, which holding is always going to be
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  Speaker 2: a subjective call. It's not a procedural issue. It's not, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: they lined up illegally every time. And I kept telling
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  Speaker 2: the ref to look at it and they wouldn't throw
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  Speaker 2: the flag. So I went to the conference office and said,
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  Speaker 2: this is an illegal formation. And they did it on 70%
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  Speaker 2: of their snaps. That is where you go off and say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for the refs to do their bleeping job
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  Speaker 2: at some point and stop doing this. But going after
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  Speaker 2: the fact that, And also, did you complain in the
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  Speaker 2: moment about all.
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  Speaker 3: 17 holding calls?
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  Speaker 2: And you saw all of them perfectly? Or did you
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  Speaker 2: go back and watch y'all?
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  Speaker 3: Guys, there it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's the meme of Leo and Once Upon a Time
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood looking at himself on the TV.
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  Speaker 3: Holding. Holding on that one with a beer in their hand.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, man. There's a hold. There's a hold.
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  Speaker 3: There's a hold. Every single.
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  Speaker 2: Hold. Here's what I'll say about Derrick Mason, too. Excellent
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  Speaker 2: bowling partner when he was on our bowling team for
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  Speaker 2: one year. Way better than Lee Greenwood. Way better than
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  Speaker 2: Lee Greenwood and Chris Kirkpatrick from NSYNC who refused to
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  Speaker 2: bowl with the people and had their own private bowling
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  Speaker 2: lane off in another private room.
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  Speaker 3: Derek Mason bowled with the people.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Kirkpatrick, who has made amends by coming on this
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  Speaker 1: show in previous years and has told us he had
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with that because it was Lee Greenwood
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  Speaker 1: with his fake broke arm. that he had to go
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  Speaker 1: bowl behind a curtain instead of bowl with the commoners,
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  Speaker 1: bowl with the peasants, bowl.
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  Speaker 3: With us in steerage. He couldn't do that. And, you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lee Greenwood can bowl by himself next time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: We were bowling with Jack Dawson in steerage the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: on the bottom of the ship. And Derek Mason was
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  Speaker 2: right there with us in the trenches.
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  Speaker 3: And we won. And he did his part.
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  Speaker 2: We won the Celebrity Bowl off, and Derek Mason did
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  Speaker 2: his part on that team.
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  Speaker 3: Despite Paul bowling a 70-something, we won. Great job.
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  Speaker 2: Now, he did call the bowling office afterward and said,
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  Speaker 2: I had a foot fault at least 17 times.
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  Speaker 3: At least 17 times.
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  Speaker 2: And he was tired of that marker not going off
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  Speaker 2: and the horn. And he said, we need people around
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  Speaker 2: here to do their damn jobs, and I'm tired of it.
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  Speaker 2: But other than that, great teammate. Great, great job.
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  Speaker 3: And Derek Mason's going to have a hard time being
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  Speaker 3: the coach next year, right, is what I'm guessing?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: He's at MTSU. He's got this job for life if
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  Speaker 3: he wants, Chad. That's true. It's like a Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: previous coach, Rick Stock still was there.
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  Speaker 3: Is Brent still coaching?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe Brent's still coaching. I think Stock's down
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  Speaker 1: at Florida State right now.
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  Speaker 3: That's a tough one. I don't know. He's probably the
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  Speaker 3: coach waiting to get in here. Yeah, it's a tough one. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Now that you said he's clearly paying people to keep
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the comedians who always have other comedians that
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  Speaker 2: get credit, but they probably get paid in some way.
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  Speaker 2: That's definitely happening with television shows.
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  Speaker 4: Jed.
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  Speaker 3: You know who else gets to get paid and keep
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  Speaker 3: their mouth shut? Lincoln Riley. Lincoln Riley. Roughly a $ 70
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  Speaker 3: million buyout. Am I reading this right?
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  Speaker 1: Roughly a $ 70 million buyout. And our question today is,
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  Speaker 1: is he cooked? The answer is yes and no. Is
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  Speaker 1: he going to be the head coach much longer?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: Is he going to be cooked? No, he's not. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to be laughing at all of us all the
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: way to the bank. For failing. Paid to fail.
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  Speaker 1: This will be the next prime example of the best
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: job in America.
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  Speaker 3: Head football coach for a college. Because you are paid
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  Speaker 3: to fail. You leave.
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  Speaker 1: You probably owe somebody $ 5 million to leave and go
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  Speaker 1: somewhere else. $ 70 million, according to CBS Sports. Lincoln Riley's
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: UFC future in doubt after Oregon lost despite roughly $ 70
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  Speaker 1: million buyout.
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  Speaker 3: That is insane.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's also, when was the last time the giant lateral
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  Speaker 2: move worked out? By the way, not just the loss
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday, but Desmond Stevens acting a fool after knocking
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  Speaker 2: Dante Moore out on the field and celebrating and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: making gestures to the crowd and all that. He had
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: to come out and apologize. I know he was asked, like,
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  Speaker 2: why was he even on the sideline? He's like, because
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  Speaker 2: he's on our team. After he was ejected for.
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  Speaker 3: That hit and doing it. And he just.
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  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley comes across as such an arrogant prick all
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  Speaker 2: the time about things, too, even when his team's not
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  Speaker 2: doing what they should be doing.
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  Speaker 3: So that doesn't help him at all.
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  Speaker 2: When was the last time the lateral move for big
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  Speaker 2: money and the big splash hire that, oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: that guy left this for that, truly worked out? Because
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  Speaker 2: the most high-profile ones I can think of, Jimbo Fisher,
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  Speaker 2: after winning a national title at Florida State, You know,
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  Speaker 2: leaving for Texas A & M obviously did not work
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  Speaker 2: out for them. Lincoln Riley leaving Oklahoma to go to
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  Speaker 2: USC is another one.
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  Speaker 1: It would be the ones where you're unconventional lateral moves.
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  Speaker 1: So like John Gruden, lateral move in the NFL to
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  Speaker 1: go win a Super Bowl. Urban Meyer did it whenever
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: he faked a heart condition.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he got out for a year and then reemerged.
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  Speaker 3: But like lateral move, he faked it to make a
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  Speaker 3: lateral move. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fire away on the YouTube chat if you can give
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  Speaker 2: me an example. Like, Kalen DeBoer from Washington to Alabama
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  Speaker 2: is not.
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  Speaker 3: A lateral move.
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  Speaker 2: That's a step up in program, and they paid him
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money. And I think that's working out well, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: right now. It's working out fine for them, but it's
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: just hard to find. John Sumrall was the natural step up, right?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: You go hire Tulane's coach. That's done really well if
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: you're Florida.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: We haven't seen Kiffin do it.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Kiffin is fine, but he lost the game at Ole Miss.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: That's the one that we don't know yet. That's the
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: next big example of let's go pay someone gobs of
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: money to leave where they are. I would say it's
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: not quite lateral, but closer within conference because Ole Miss
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: and what they were built up to be.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: That would be the example. Is that going to work out?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I guess I say all this to say these large
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: buyouts and just using– this is what coaches want.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: They want to convince everyone. Jeff Braum at Louisville has.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: A team that wants to convince everyone he's going to
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: be Michigan's next coach or he's going to be Penn
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: State's next coach or he's going to go here so
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: he can get the money he wants from Louisville even
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: when Louisville's not ready to give him an extension and
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: pay him. And now Jeff Braum, who gets a big win,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: loses at home to Wake Forest. The next week where
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: everything's on the table and they've got an easy schedule.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: To get to the ACC championship game and face Miami.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: But that's what the coaches want is they want fake
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: interest so they can get whatever they want from the
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: place they're at or leave. But when you do business
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: with those coaches, most of the time it doesn't work out.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like I don't think it's working out with
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley at USC based off what expectations were when
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: he took that job leaving Oklahoma.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: What a quote by Dan Lanning, by the way, who
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: just beat Lincoln Riley for the third time in three
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: meetings since Lincoln Riley went to USC. Three wins against
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: these guys, Lanning said. I guess if you're interested in
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: winning football games and you're from this area, you should
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: go to Oregon. If you want to go to a
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Chris Brown concert, you should go here.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Great line. Great, great, great line. I love Dan Lanning.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: And he's got a nice bounce back after losing to
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma State.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: That was a great win for them.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Brooks Carter says Brian Kelly from Notre Dame to LSU
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: certainly didn't work out as another example. I just, when
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you're that guy, and I'm not trying to disparage the
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: open market of people trying to make more money, but
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: when you become that dude that has a great job,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that's not content with that great job, and instead is
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: out looking for every slight with the AD or players
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: on your team or location or whatever it may be,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: and you're going to leave for a lateral move to
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: just go make a little bit more money, or in
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: some cases a lot more money and get a huge buyout,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know that that's the best path to success
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: for an athletic department in how to hire coaches and
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: how to spend your money and how you bring up
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the paid-to-fail approach.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Part of this. These buyouts have.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: To get under control, but they don't get under control
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: because USC or LSU or someone is always going to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: be distracted by the shiny object of the coach they want,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that they feel like they can win the PR battle
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: by getting them to leave a lateral move job to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: come and coach for them. As long as there's one
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: or two athletic departments and ADs willing to do that,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: then this is going to continue to spiral out of control.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: USC still has three ranked opponents on their schedule. plus
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: they have Washington and Penn State on their schedule. And
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the question would be, are they actually going to pay $ 70.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Million to move on?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Initially, I would be like, nah, that's too steep. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: year in and year out, we see somebody, we see
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: some institution willing to just pay for no reason other
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: than let's just move on. The biggest penalty and the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: toughest thing that you can make Lincoln Riley do is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: have to coach, have to actually work Instead of getting
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: paid to fail. Force him to continue to coach. Because
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: at this point, I would love to take the $ 70
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: million if I'm him.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, figure it out, dude. That's part of it, too.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: We're not going to spend this much money in dead money,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: dead cap money, to spend it to give you money
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: to go away and not work.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I'm with you. He needs to sink or swim. He
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: needs to figure it out.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Out. And it's not just– his best year was his
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: first year at USC. And if that was, he would
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: improve steadily. And you might– You're going to have a
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: low ebb at some point too. You're going to have
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: a bad year, but you bounce back from the bad
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: year and you continue to build. That's what they're relying
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: on him to do. And it's just not– there's always these–
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: built-in excuses with everything. Oh, the Big Ten's a bad fit. Or,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you know, we need more investment in our own stadium
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and fans need to show up. And I'm just thinking,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: you're the head football coach at USC. Pretty good history there.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of talent in your area. Figure it out.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Figure it out where you don't have Dan Lanning clowning
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you about players going there to attend a Chris Brown
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: concert instead of playing football.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: That's what you're paid to do.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: His best year was the year he left Oklahoma and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: took all the players with him.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Congrats, Lincoln. It's not worked out since. Yeah, how about
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that quarterback play?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Catfish Jake said Tommy Tuberville left Ole Miss for Auburn.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss, when he left it, was not the Ole
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Miss that Lane Kiffin left in an NIL world.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: This was pre-NIL Ole Miss. It was not.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: People didn't bat an eye about Tommy Tuberville leaving Ole
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Miss for Auburn. That's what you did at that point. But, yes,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: he did very well at Auburn. I mean, that's a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: good example of that happening and paying off.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say Brian Kelly is most recently the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: worst example to use. I can't think of a great example.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And Jimbo. Jimbo's a bad one, too.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's not– unless I'm completely blanking on somebody,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I just can't think.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Of the– But at least Jimbo had won a title
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: where he was. This was Brian Kelly saying he could
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: win a title at Notre Dame.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of like, okay, someone went somewhere for a time–
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and then came back Nick Saban to the NFL and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: then back to Alabama. Great at LSU, even better at Alabama.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: That obviously worked out within the conference. Steve Spurrier leaves
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: for the Washington Redskins, comes back to South Carolina, great
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: at South Carolina, one of their greatest coaches in history
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: when he takes over there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: There's those examples.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer, the heart attack, followed by him going to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Ohio State.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the heart issues, sorry. Was it a year off?
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I think it only took one year off when he
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: was back at Ohio State. After he left Florida. It
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: was like a year, yeah. And he was great there, too.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: But it's tough. Jim Harbaugh, good at Stanford. Just so happened.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Good in the NFL, back to Michigan. Good, but it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't straight Stanford to Michigan and tons of success.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Just so happened that Urban Meyer left Florida as soon
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: as they were going to get bad, Chad.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Funny how that works. Yeah. He saw the prospects of
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: no Tim Tebow.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Hard as you happen. Right as they were going to
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: get bad, yeah. Yeah, John Brantley's my quarterback.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: No, I'm good.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and take a year off
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and head up to Ohio State. Just like he was good.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: They would take the team flight back. He'll stay back
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in Ohio for a Thursday night football matchup for the Jaguars.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: They'll stay back. Got to hit that favorite sports bar
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: spot when you're up in Ohio. Yeah, got to have
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: the blonde. Got to have the blonde. Yeah, Lincoln Riley,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: dead men walking.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: But I don't feel, we say that like We're doing
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: him a service here. This is doing him a huge favor.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: $ 70 million, roughly, is the buyout. That's unbelievable, man, for
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: this result at USC. We're not talking about USC upside.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: He's also going to get a job somewhere else if
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: he wants. He could just pay that money to not
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: do anything or go into media if he wanted, or
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he could go get another job somewhere else.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: He's going to be able to work.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Elsewhere.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And I also think for USC, who are you hiring?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, who's the no-brainer perfect coach? It's probably some
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: up-and-comer like we're seeing with a John Sumrall or someone
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: like that that would kill to be USC's head football
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: coach that would do a great job with a ton
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of energy. But I don't know who that person is
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: right offhand.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want a West Coast job right now if
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm in college football or college athletics, especially the West
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Coast teams that are in the Big Ten.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: That's a ton of travel, man. I think that's tough to.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Recruit to, especially if you're in anything but football.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It's why Oregon needs to hold on for dear life
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to Dan Lanning at all costs. You pay him what's necessary.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That's the one program that I feel like has withstood it,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and it's because of their coach and obviously because of
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Phil Knight's investment in Nike and into that program too.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: But that's one– shining example of okay this this is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: working out and hey credit to Bob Chesney and UCLA
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: they're 4-0 right now they just won 54-3 they haven't
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: played anybody great yet but still they're off to a
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: great start this year too so maybe that's a guy
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: just because every you know every JMU coach every James
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Madison coach seems to go on to have success maybe
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Bob Chesney's that next guy at UCLA.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 2023 was the last time he was in the
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  Speaker 2: league before 2025.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Took a year off.
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  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson got him to come out of retirement to
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  Speaker 2: be a backup in Chicago and now gets the start.
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  Speaker 2: books at Houston in college, it feels like forever ago.
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  Speaker 2: It was not a short time ago that he was
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: doing that. But at 38 years old, it's remarkable that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: we have this dearth of young backup quarterbacks in the NFL.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Like the inability to get the next good young backup.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Like who is that guy, Josh Dobbs, that's been developed
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: into a lifelong backup quarterback? Josh Dobbs is not a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: starter in the NFL, but he's a competent backup. Mitch
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Trubisky's a good one. And Mitch Trubisky was a starter.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying? It's all old guys
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: who were starters somewhere else that make the best backups everywhere.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And there's just not that guy that's like, hey, we
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: got a guy that we drafted in the fifth round.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: That we developed for two years, and he knows the system.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And we feel very confident that if we play four
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: games with him, with our quarterback Hurt, he can get
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: us a split. Or he can get us close to that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: You've got to have somebody that gets limited reps during
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the week. Extremely limited reps during the week. Because let's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: face it, a lot of these starters in the league,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: unless you're in the top ten starters, you suck. Like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: there's not 32 capable NFL starters right now. If we're
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: just judging based on should this guy start. Cam Ward's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a starter. He should not be an NFL starter.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: But he is. Point being. You're getting these guys all
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the reps during the week. The backups, very little. Very little.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: And right now, you've got a practice squad quarterback handling
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: all of the practice reps, all of the scout team reps.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So the backup quarterback has to be good on mental reps,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: very limited preparation, has to know the game plan, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: know how to prepare. Know how to prepare for the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: upcoming game as if he's the starter. And then whenever
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: he's inserted into the lineup on any given Sunday, the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: idea with the backup is you don't go win the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: game for us. Just don't lose the game for us.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Go manage this football game. Don't do more than what
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you're capable of doing. Play within yourself. Play within what
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: is the framework of what we have put in. You
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: know the game plan. You know what we're doing. You
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: know the timing of the receiver on the right side
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: whenever he's going to run his out or his three-step hook.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Whatever those might be, the backup's going to be able
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to do it. You're not going to find that in
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a young guy. In most cases, it is the NFL
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: journeyman who's going to be doing that on a week-to-week basis.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And if you find somebody that can do that, good.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You do see a lot of the rotation, though. How
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: many teams has Josh Dobbs been on?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: A bunch. And Keenum became.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Only the second quarterback ever to throw a touchdown pass
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: for seven teams.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: It's him and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Last night.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: So he's thrown a touchdown pass for seven different teams,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and it's him and Fitzpatrick are alone in that club
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of quarterbacks to do that over their career. ESPN put
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: together a list. Actually, this was just a couple weeks ago.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Best backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Number one is Fernando Mendoza,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: the number one overall pick.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Who we haven't really seen, but that's a good outside
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the box. Number two, Marcus Mariota, someone we know quite well.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: With the Commanders. Number three, Mack Jones.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Number four, this would be my example, Hutton, of not
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: an old guy that is developed by one team that
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: can go in in a pinch.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Spencer Rattler. with the Saints.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: He's number four. I want to see a little bit
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: more of that across the league. We drafted the guy.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: He knows our system. We like him as a backup.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: We drafted him to eventually be a backup, and that's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: what he is, and we like him there. And he
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: was the starter there, I know, for a short time too.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Michael Penix Jr., not the backup anymore. Jameis Winston at six,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: another old guy. Jalen Daniels with the Bucs, which that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: another example of a young guy. But then we get
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: into Mitchell Trubisky, Tyrod Taylor, Tyler Huntley, Mason Rudolph, Joe Flacco,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz, Gardner Minshew. And then you get into Josh Dobbs,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Justin Fields. I mean, there's a little bit of a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: mix of some young guys in here. Stetson Bennett's on
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: this list. Kenny Pickett, not an old guy yet. But
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: there's just a lot of retread veteran guys.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: In a league that's so much about youth. Can he
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: pick a third list only because he's in the league?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at every other position, it's about youth. But at quarterback, man,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: there's no match for experience.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And again, you want somebody that's not going to go
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: in and try to play hero ball, but.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Someone that can just.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I think the key is, Chad, not about getting you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: into the right play, and many times it's keeping you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: out of the bad one. keeping you out of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: wrong play, where the defense has a trap set in,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and instead of snapping the football, you can take the timeout,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: or you have the audible, where it looks like you
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: just turned and handed off into a brick wall, but
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: what you didn't do is throw in a double coverage,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: or you took the sack instead of giving up the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: late interception. Things like that that go unnoticed, that's the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: veteran instead of the younger quarterback. That's the experience factor,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that these guys are that light
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: years better Like there's not a light years difference between
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs and Kenny Pickett. There's not light years, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: there is experience in just knowing the role. You know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: like some guys come in like Will Levis and can't
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: help themselves, but try to play like they're the Heisman
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Trophy winner. You know, like they're headed back to the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Heisman house. And they're not that guy. The guys that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: realize they're not that guy, like Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: made a ton of money just by being Patrick Mahomes' backup.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: But what Chase Daniels did was, he barely had to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: play at all. I think he threw like nine passes
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: his entire career. But whenever he came in, he was
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: ready to go. And they didn't want to replace him
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: for that one pass for the next year. And he
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: came in and made his money. Those veteran dudes, more
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: power to them, man. They know how to do it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Now, I would say....
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I think in some cases, some organizations go too fast
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: to the backup. Some take their time and don't go
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: to the backup much at all. We're seeing that right
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: here in Nashville.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also a little bit of yin and yang.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: When you're trying to match the two, it's a couple.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: In the quarterback room, young quarterback you want to match
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: with a veteran who started in the league before. That's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: no longer a starting quarterback in the league.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Old quarterback, you can match with Spencer Rattler, you know, oftentimes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Or you can put Kirk Cousins to Fernando Mendoza is
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a good example. And Cousins, by the way, looks great
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: through three weeks, 3-0 Raiders, which surprises me. Peyton Manning,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: think of his cast of backups. Jim Sorge over the years,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Dan Orlovsky. I mean, it was always just someone the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Colts drafted that could learn under Manning and was there
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to be his assistant. You know, essentially, like that was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the role, like younger assistant to Peyton Manning, apprentice, if
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you will. But they were never going to be starters
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: in the league. They were never drafted to be a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: starting quarterback. Jim Sorge was never thought of as, this
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: guy's a future All-Pro at quarterback in the National Football League.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: He was there to be Peyton Manning's apprentice the whole time.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So different ways to do it. I guess it's coaching
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: staff preference. I'm just watching, and I'm seeing it on
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: TV right now, I'm watching Case Keenum last night play
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: at 38th. not really having a chance to play since 2023,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and he retired at one point and came back.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Christmas Eve 2024.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking just it's crazy that these old guys
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: can still get it done to this level in the NFL.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is the oldest player now, I think, in
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the league, and he's the classic example of this in
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: his last year of actually being the starter. But a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: guy like Case Keenum can come and do that is incredible.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Phillip Rivers a year ago. He wasn't great, but he
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: looked okay at times, having been away that long.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Brilliant job by Phillip Rivers, too, because the pension. You
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: get the five years free health care or whatever it is,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and had he waited one more year, he would have
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: been ineligible for the health care for his family or
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: whatever it was from the league. And so by coming
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: back and playing that one snap, just by signing to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the practice squad, Like he did for that one week.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Chad, he resets the five years. He's got like 15 kids.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Phillip Rivers named one of those 15 kids,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: like the middle child or the youngest, Phillip Jr.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: The way Robert Sala did. And then skip three or
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: four of his sons before getting to the junior. Now
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I'm ready. Now I'm ready to bequeath my name to
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: my fourth born son.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: None of these bastard children ahead of me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: None of the older children are worth it, but this
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: fourth born is definitely worth it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: This Tyrion Lannister is not going to be the junior.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Not while I'm on the watch.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Not this imp. I got a special feeling about this kid.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: This one's going to be good. He's been kicking hard.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: He's been kicking hard instead of mama.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: He's going to be the junior.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I know this as a golden child. I was the
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: fifth of five kids, and I was the chosen one
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: in the family. You can ask all my siblings. I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: not speaking out of turn here. I was treated differently.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I was the youngest. I was the one that was
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: given expectations where no expectations were placed on them. They
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: weren't thought of highly at all. They were given no advantages,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and I was given every advantage. So I understand this
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: as the golden.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Child of the family. State of innovation for you, Chad.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I'm basically Robert Sala, Jr.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I'm Sith-born, and I wasn't given the Tom Withrow Jr.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Name, which would have been pretty sweet, honestly, had I
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: been given that.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But, you know, Chad will have to do, but definitely
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the Golden Child will do.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Chad will have to do.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Even being the Golden Child, my dad wasn't willing to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: give me his name. He's like, no, I think I've
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: done a little bit too much in life to give
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a Thomas Withrow Jr.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say that I'm against the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: whole junior aspect.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: If you're a junior, more power to you.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: If you're a senior who handed down your name, whatever.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I just find it difficult to be like, you know what?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: This kid's going to have my name. Because there's an
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: arrogance to that, Chad. That is like, okay, not only
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: do you feel good enough and above your child to where...
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: There's also some expectation with that, too.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: You know, like JFK Jr.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: If I had a better name, if my name was
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: John Fitzgerald Kennedy, then I would give my son the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: junior moniker.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I just wouldn't want to do that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I don't have a son, but if I did, I
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't want to do that to a son to give
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: him the name Chad.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Which is not a good name.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: And then, okay, let me go on the flip side
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of this. If you're the third or the fourth, so
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: if you are, if you are, let's see.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Thomas Maypother IV. That's Tom Cruise's actual name.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: But you decide that you're not going to hand down
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the fifth. How dare you? How dare you?
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: If you're the one who breaks it, and you actually
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: have a son, where you could break the sequence, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you choose to break the sequence after four generations?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: That's a weird dynamic. I think that and.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Again, anytime you just don't give the eldest son, because
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: nothing is given. You don't know you're going to have
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: more sons. If your plan is to have a junior.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Excuse me.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to have a son, then you're
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: going to hand down the name.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: How you don't give it to the eldest son, because
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: nothing after that is a given, is a shocking decision
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: It's like one of the owners right now, Kenneth Adams IV.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a son.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: But I'm guessing Kenneth is the oldest son.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: He is the oldest son, but I'm saying he doesn't
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: have a son right now, but I'm assuming that there
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: would be a fifth if they have the opportunity.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, time to get cracking on a son, I guess.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: That's the only solution. British royalty would kill the women
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: who could not produce a son for them and find
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: another one.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: But, man, the idea that– I also respect the idea
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: where it's like, you know what? I'm going to let
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: my son have a different name and make his own
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: name instead of having to live up to this name.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Fair enough. Catfish Jacob.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: In the name.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Catfish Jake says, Philip Fulmer Jr. exists, his first son
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: from a widely unknown first marriage. But that's my point.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: That's the traditional route. If Phil wanted to have a
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Phil Jr., then you go ahead and you get that
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: out of the way. That's a good TV show. Yes,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: with the first son. My brothers have the middle name.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: This is kind of odd, but both my brothers have
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the same middle name. They're Stephen Joseph and Nick Joseph Withrow.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Joseph is my grandfather's name. So my father bestowed upon
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: them his father's name as the middle name. I am
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Chad Thomas Withrow. That's my father's name. So my dad,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: that's sort of the version of junior for him, I guess.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So instead of giving the grandfather's name for the third son,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: he gave his own name as the middle name, right?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: So technically you are a junior.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Hindsight is 20-20, but I would have preferred Thomas Withrow Jr.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: even as the third kid.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Thomas is a more distinguished name than Chad, right? It's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a better name than Chad. It's a presidential name. Hutton,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: if you met me and you're like, hey, I'm Tom,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: as a young guy, you'd be like, wow, that's an
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: odd name. I remember my buddy had a friend named Tom,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and we were like 12, and he'd come and hang
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: out with him from out of town some, and I'm like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: your friend's name is Tom?
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Not Tommy, not Thomas, just Tom. Tom.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: His best friend Tom, which was a great name for
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: a kid in 1995, to be a kid was very different.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: But again, I can't think of many examples.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe people can help us out online of not the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: firstborn son being junior, skipping sons, and then later bestowing
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the junior name to a younger kid.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I love when we just have random discussions like this
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: because it brings up another question. We can get this
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: in the chat too. At what point, what age do
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you drop the Y from your name?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Tommy... Johnny, Billy, you know, we can keep going.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: At what point do you just drop the Y and
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you go by Bill or Tom, you know, or whatever
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it might be, whatever your name may be. Chad, I
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: think it's like it's got to be the end of
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: high school.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I mean. Tommy's got to become Tom or Thomas by
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the time you get to college. Bold take. If Y
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: is not in your name. It should never be added
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: to your name.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Ricky is one of the most redneck, trashy names. I
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: say this with love as a guy who also has
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: a terrible first name.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Chad is not a good name. Your name is Richard
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: or it's Rick. Your name is not Ricky. Or Dick.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Thomas or it's Tom. It's not Tommy. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Robert or it's Rob. It's not Robbie. Robbie's another bad name.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: It's John, Jonathan, not Johnny. It's never Richie. It's not Johnny. Absolutely. Jonathan, John, great. Johnny,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: not great.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: There is never a need. America, let me tell you this.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: This doesn't happen overseas. This doesn't happen in Europe. This
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen on the rest of the world. This is
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: something we actually got wrong. You don't add a Y
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: to a proper God-given name of your first name. Just
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: keep it the way it is. If I was Thomas
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Withrow Jr., I would want to either be called Thomas
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: or Tom. I would never want to be called Tommy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But I would say the Y is added for the kid.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: But yet, I see adults now going with the I,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: or not the I, the I-E. I don't see the I-E,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: thank God, or the Y. Bill, there's no Billy. In fact,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: my grandfather's name was William.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: He went by Bill.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: People would call him Billy that grew up with him.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I'm talking like adolescent age.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Hey, Billy. It was more of like a prod. I
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: remember you when you were a kid kind of thing.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: It's demeaning.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: But his name was Bill. Hey, little Billy. David or
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Dave does not need to be Davey. We know some Davies.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I like some Davies. It needs to be David or Dave.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: There's no David. I'm across the board.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I can't think of one example of where you add
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: a Y to the end of a name that makes
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it better. It's always worse every single time. My daughter's
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: names end in a Y, so it's acceptable for them
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: to call them with the name of the Y.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Everly, Lucy. These are names that end in a Y.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: If I tried to take Evelyn and make it Evie,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Even with a girl, that's not the right way to go.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Go by your God-given name. And if your name is Kelly,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: like Kelly in Vegas, that ends in a Y.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Fine. Your name is Kelly. It already ends in a Y.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: We don't need to add Ys.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Hutton, I just wasted a perfectly fine primary complaint on this,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: but maybe we'll revisit tomorrow with primary complaint also.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: No whys. Let's drop the whys, America. We don't need
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: whys in of a name.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I bring it up because there needs to be an
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: age demarcation. There's a line of demarcation here where you
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: have to drop the why in order for me to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: take you seriously.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And you don't want to be treated like a kid.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: You want to be treated like an adult. Have an
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: adult name. Drop the why.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Certainly an age demarcation if you're going to do it. Again,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: my age demarcation is zero.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: We stop that at age zero. When you're born, you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: are your name, and we don't add a Y to it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, here comes Billy. Here comes Ricky. Oh, there's Bobby. Donnie. Donnie.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Here comes Donnie. Robbie. Donnie.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Keep those coming. Freddie. Freddie. Frederick. Great. Fred. Fine. Freddie.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I'm out. Davey's a good one. Davey's a good one.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Davey sounds like a three-year-old for life. And we know Davey's.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I like Davey's again. When your name is Davey, you
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: sound like you're wearing, you know, those like the first
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: photos you get as a toddler.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And you're in the shorts and the high-laced white socks. Yes.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: And the little bitty sailor's cap. Your shoes are going
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to be bronzed. Yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Think of any photo of you as a kid that
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: it's a little glossy and it doesn't quite look right.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: It looks really old. That's what Davey is to me
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: at all times. A toddler who can barely walk wearing
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: white lace socks.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: That's who you are. Yes. Going sailing. Oh, look at
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: our little captain. Look at our little captain, Davey. Our
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: sweet little sailor, Davey, over here. He looks like a
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: little guy who likes a yacht rock. Look at this
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: little guy. Oh, look at him. So sweet. Little Davey.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Coming up, it is time to take a look, a
• 46:14
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• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Hardrock.bet.clay. Time to check out the power lineup. Let's look ahead, Chad,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: see what we like here for the SEC upcoming weekend.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Right now, Alabama favored by six on the road against
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Just run through them real quick.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Georgia and Vanderbilt, excuse me, 24.5 is the line there
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: between the hedges. You've got Florida and Missouri. Gators favored
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: by 5.5 on the road. Tennessee favored by 7 against
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Auburn at home at Neyland. And South Carolina getting 2.5
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: as they host Kentucky. A & M returns home after
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: back-to-back losses. They return home. They're favored by 14 against Arkansas. And, well,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you have LSU and McNeese. Well, no line needed for this,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, FCS teams don't often get a line when they
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: go against FBS opponents, so they're not even going to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: post it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you can go offshore and maybe see something.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: But not with Art Rock. Let's set the line at 34.5.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: So....
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to have our parlay tomorrow. We're going to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: have locks later in the week. I'm trying to stay
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: undefeated with my locks on the season. If I'm just
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: glancing at this right now, though, Hutton, it would not
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: be my lock because it's a stretch. It was a
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: six-point line. Mississippi State's going to beat Alabama outright at home.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I would lean money line Mississippi State as a six-point
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: underdog at home. I also think that much like Ole
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Miss gets an emotional win at home, they go on
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the road and lay a bit of an egg, I
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: could see Florida doing the exact same thing. Missouri coming
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: off a road loss, Missouri coming home, Florida off that
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: emotional home win in the swamp, they go to Missouri
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and lose. I really like the home teams in these games.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I think South Carolina is going to bounce back. I
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: think Tennessee bounces back. After the loss against Auburn, I
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: think Georgia absolutely covers 24-9.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Keep this in mind, too. Jared Curtis spurned Georgia.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: He was a longtime Georgia commit, and now he goes
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to Athens. And he doesn't have a supporting cast. I mean,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: let's face it. They're at a talent deficit against Georgia
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: when you think about Gunnar Stockton and who he has
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: to throw to compared to Vandy and Jared Curtis. So
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a tough one for him. But, yeah,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I like a lot of these home teams this week.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Let's do that graphic one more time because I want
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: to go through and tell you who I like. I'm
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: taking Bama. Initially, I want to take Bama minus six. But, Chad,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: after watching Mississippi State, it's hard. for me to go
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: against Mississippi State at home. But what does Vegas know here?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like this should be a three and a half,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: two and a half type game.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you agree with that. I thought
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: it would be under five. Yeah, under five, okay. Four
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: and a half, three and a half, three, somewhere like that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I think the Georgia-Vandy game is spot on with what
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I was expecting. A little bit over 21 points there. Again,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I would take Georgia at home. Florida on the road,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: this is the trap where it's telling me don't do
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: exactly what you did last week, which was you're taking
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss on the road.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: And it's roughly the same. You're like, what the hell? Like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: of course Ole Miss is.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Going to go on the road and win. They've got
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Trinidad Chandler. Now I'm looking at this going, of course
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Florida's going to go on the road. They're going to
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: run it right down Missouri's throat. It's hard for me
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to pick Missouri at home and take the five and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a half. I would take Florida initially. That's really the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: only road team just off the top, Chad, that I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: think I would be willing to say– That's my lock,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: would be Florida. Of the road teams that I'm willing
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to put the lock behind right now.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I got a funny feeling that you're going to see
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: both those home teams win outright. Missouri as an underdog
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: and Mississippi State as an underdog. I think this will
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: further my thought that the SEC every year, you're not
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: going to survive it. Even the great teams in the
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: conference are going to lose two to three.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Texas will lose two games this year. I think at
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: least one. Like, you're not going to go unbeaten, unblemished.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And these teams we think are great. I'm hearing talk
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: now that Florida's the best team in America after what
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: they did to Ole Miss, right?
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: And that's legitimate. That's not a joke.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: There are legitimate people arguing that Florida's better than everyone
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: in the country. Florida is going to be cut down
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and chopped down to size. by someone on this schedule.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Could it be Missouri this week?
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Will it be Texas in a few weeks? Probably. But
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: they're going to be coming down to size more and
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: more and more. They're playing between the rocks, though. They're
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: playing between the rocks. This isn't playing between the hedges.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: We need to ask Todd Furman or Kelly in Vegas
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: or Ariel Epstein who do this for a living at
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: some point. What would the line shift be if you
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: replaced the Rocks with people?
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: With people. With Missouri fans for that game?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Instead of a Rock formation, guys, we're going to have
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: people that cover up those Rocks that are making a
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: lot of noise. I wonder if that would give us
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: a point or two for Missouri on that line. We'll
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: do the research and find out.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Tennessee Auburn's a tricky one for me, too. Yeah, especially
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: the one for that. I don't know how I feel
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: about that, man.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Especially with the weather being bad because Auburn does a
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: better job of running it with the quarterback and design
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: runs in the run game.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Tennessee's going to run all over them, though.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: With the QB. Look, I like Tennessee. They've got to
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: find a way to start playing better at home. This
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: is a home game that you've got to win. And
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, Josh Heibel does not want
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: to lose to a guy that he mentored in Alex
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Golish in his return to Neyland Stadium because all the
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: talk's going to be about how that offense has not
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: been any good since he left.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Since he was the offensive coordinator, if he comes in
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: and wins with Auburn.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Between now and tomorrow, I'm going to do some study.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I've got to study up on my going for the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: bundle selection. I'm not going to have it right after
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the show, JT. I've got to get this right this week.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: It's time to start stacking some wins on going for
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the bundle.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: We hit one of these.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: We'll be back to even whenever we kick things off
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a week from now on these parlays.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: We're going for the bundle. Hard rock bet.
• 52:55
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• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Roll with us. on the early look at the SEC. Chad,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: fun show today. Back at it tomorrow. See you then.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I'm about to get in the lab and start researching
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: my going for the bundle also.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: So here we go. It's Hutton and Withrow presented by
• 53:10
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