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🎉 KeyForge Celebration Schedule Revealed & Why Adaptive is the Worst Format Ever · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Times like are you and get to know if we're
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be you know, if we're gonna be speaking intelligently
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: And then he's like, yeah, I'm out of here. I'll
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: steal all their ideas later on the recast.
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: That's not just Josh, that's pretty much anyone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could see fair enough a lot of what's
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: going on everybody.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: I am the one, the only, the w o okay,
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: I you joined here by my normal cast of misfits.
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  Speaker 1: We got the drazz Boar, Hey, guys, how's it going?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor m Sheep Hello, and the Ewokyist of Ewoks Ewok Jr.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Hello, Keyboard Community, glad to be here.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: It's nice. Gigi threw us a bone at Huh. We're like, man,
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: what are we going to talk about? And then they're like, hey,
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: I know, we'll release the new key Ford Celebrations schedule.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: So I also have cats, and we also have cats
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  Speaker 2: and dogs here. Who is at the end we're gonna
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: we figured we'd have them join in and talk about
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: KFC since this will be their first KFC. You want
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: to say hello cats.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And then uh.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: And uh, he's going to try to convince us that
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: alliance uh not alliance adaptive is good, the other the
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  Speaker 2: other dirty A word the a word we don't recognize
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  Speaker 2: around here. Yeah, a little chat. We'll have a chat.
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: You're going to see how incredibly hardheaded, too grumpy old
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  Speaker 2: men can be and we'll go from there. So starting
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: with everything we knew KFC was right around the corner.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: It will be sometime in November, and by sometimes I
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  Speaker 2: mean starting on Thursday, November sixth, unless you are a
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: Vault Warrior, it actually starts on the fifth, because you
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: got to go to a dinner. Sheep, How are we
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: getting to this dinner? I don't need to go, but
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  Speaker 2: I heard there was a party bus that was going
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  Speaker 2: to Whirllyball.
• 2:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah that's for you. Yes, I'm going to drive a
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  Speaker 5: car to Minnesota. And then once I'm in Minnesota, we'll
• 2:40
  Speaker 5: probably be staying at the hotel that's very nearby, so
• 2:43
  Speaker 5: I will just go over to dinner. No crazy plans,
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  Speaker 5: and then Sydney on her show will tell the rest
• 2:55
  Speaker 5: of you what you can do.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: Oh that's other crazy plans. Don't involve the game just
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: degenerating into people beating each other with sticks. Definitely doesn't
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 3: That happens later.
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  Speaker 5: I do intend to make it to beating you with
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  Speaker 5: a stick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I look forward to it, but we have
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  Speaker 2: to flight was earlier switch until ten.
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  Speaker 1: Mmm.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: Well, looking at this keyboard celebration the actual landing page cheap.
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  Speaker 3: I hope you can hold your cup while beating this
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: wookie and have this look that the Sarian has.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: It's a very man.
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  Speaker 5: I'm only got one hand, so holding a cump and
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  Speaker 5: beating at the same time is not in my skill set.
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  Speaker 3: You do have a small stick, so probably won't.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: Oh man, this is where we're headed with this automatically
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  Speaker 2: hont That's fine, that's pretty much par for the course
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  Speaker 2: for this show. But I'm glad to sell like you're yeah,
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: the small stick. I'm glad to see that they were
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: just like, you know what, We're not going to stop
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  Speaker 2: them from drinking, so we'll just lean into it.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: And now the sorry it is holding a cup.
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  Speaker 5: Ready to go?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a blinged out cup. I might have
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  Speaker 2: to bring out my my og cup from two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and five, my crunk juice goblet.
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: I think this I think we did see a goblet
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  Speaker 3: previously EDKC and I think this is really paying homage
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  Speaker 3: to that image.
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  Speaker 1: We saw goblet it. Wait, hold on what?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there was a special princess cup. You don't
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  Speaker 3: remember these things?
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  Speaker 1: How do people net?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what he's talking about either.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I've never saw this princess cup.
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  Speaker 3: No, got it?
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  Speaker 1: Got it. But we start off on well, we start off.
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  Speaker 2: On Wednesday, which if you are a Vault Warrior, you're
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  Speaker 2: probably gonna want to get your free dinner. Weird that
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  Speaker 2: they would put it on Wednesday, a whole day before
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  Speaker 2: anything even starts.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they want.
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  Speaker 1: As minimal participation as possible.
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  Speaker 3: I would love I would love for minimal and the
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  Speaker 3: GG staff to go ahead and come in and talk
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  Speaker 3: to us about it.
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  Speaker 1: I offer. I know, but I'm going to offer a spot.
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  Speaker 1: And he has nothing to do with this. He's o P.
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  Speaker 1: He probably doesn't even know there's a dinner on Thursday.
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: I said, I said, c TP, or did anyone from
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  Speaker 3: GG staffs.
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  Speaker 1: I'm opening it up. I know who's wearing the DP.
• 5:29
  Speaker 5: If you listen to this trash show, you're welcome to
• 5:32
  Speaker 5: come on. We will be potholes to you too.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: That's our favorite thing to do, being buttholes really really
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: Lauren a mid Yeah, we just want it to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: like we don't want to bait and switch somebody thinking
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  Speaker 1: like we're a help from future self and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's this this ship.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we just want to know why. Well, there
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  Speaker 3: would just be one question.
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  Speaker 5: What because they already run the events until ten o'clock
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  Speaker 5: every other night of the week, So when else are
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  Speaker 5: they going to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Because they want to have one night where they all
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: don't have to eat crummy buffalo wild wings. I bet
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  Speaker 2: you that has a lot to do with it, because
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  Speaker 2: that's all that's open.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Then they should have they should have either
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  Speaker 1: gone to that brewery or that roast beef place. That
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: was awesome. That's what they should should have done. I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I just thought that was fine.
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: That was beef, that was pretty good. It was it
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  Speaker 1: was fine, said Philly.
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: Just add that in right, like they don't know.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like raccoon food, trash food. Oh no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm seen people eat it. It's it's something that's like
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  Speaker 1: it's a wired taste.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought that, uh, they should poney up for
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  Speaker 3: a nice party bus and then take the people to
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  Speaker 3: the brewery, have it catered, or a nice restaurant, have
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  Speaker 3: it catered, because it's already ready to go for you.
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  Speaker 3: Sit down, you eat good beverage, soda, water, whatever you want,
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  Speaker 3: and then come on back on the party bus.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: We got this three fingers of jack with a splash
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: of water whatever. Or there's this place which actually we
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  Speaker 1: definitely have to check out. It's called the Nashville Coop.
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  Speaker 1: It's a fried chicken spot. Not too far nice. Okay,
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: what night are we doing that? Thursday? Ac KFC, the
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  Speaker 1: next Yeah, maybe, Yeah, I don't know what days things
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  Speaker 1: are going down, so we'll play it by ear. But yeah,
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: let's say, what's I'm going to go to a chicken spot? Yeah,
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: they're until nine pm. Yeah, a bunch of us have
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: scrubbed out by then, so we can go.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's insane. All Yeah, that far away.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: Speaking of.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: Thoughts and prayers with all those who are are hurt.
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: It's been sad. You guys have not heard.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the mass shoot, the school shooting in Minnesota. It
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: was it was in Minnesota. Well, yeah, it is a church,
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  Speaker 1: the school church.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how Just so you're where five in
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  Speaker 3: the US since school started this year, oh Man, school
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  Speaker 3: just started last week. No, it started earlier depending on
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: where you are. We will start next Tuesday. But a
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: lot of schools have been in session. But yeah, there
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: have been five, which is wow, do better, do better, peeps,
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  Speaker 3: but chicken.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're thinking you could do a school shooting, don't,
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  Speaker 1: please don't please don't. All right, this is what people
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  Speaker 1: listen to us far you know something hot chicken school shootings?
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: You got it?
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  Speaker 3: Does Does this count as KFC finger licking?
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  Speaker 1: Good?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's this place looks real good. This series this year,
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: you have to your favorite ARCon.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, looking good. Yep. The human I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't recommend this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, look how happy her. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: put her image marsas.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: I could do mimosas. That's like a morning you could
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  Speaker 1: start right away at nine am. Mimosas.
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  Speaker 3: Drazz your picture that you posted in our live show, amazing.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: Now the falling knife, that's the falling Knife brewery. There's
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: a falling knife. Okay, so falling knife. When he was like,
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder what I should call it, and he like
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: looks across the bar like the taps are literally knives.
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  Speaker 1: Put it down. So now we gotta go to the
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  Speaker 1: Falling How many minutes is this from the game center.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta go to the Falling Knife Brewery and the
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  Speaker 1: Chicken coop, So it is a seven minute drive from
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  Speaker 1: the game center. Don't tell me he wasn't there when
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: he thought this up. All right, So I'm glad we're
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: getting food already figured out. That's half the Hey, that
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: is always the most power to struggle. Yeah, that is
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: the big struggle every night. I don't care. Where do
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: you want to go? I don't care where do you
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  Speaker 1: want to go?
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, in all seriousness, we got to write this down
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: so we remember.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Drafts cords already, got Google docs open. I'm sure I
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: got it, I got it? Yeah, yeah, what do I
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: have a Google I'm had the map, I could great
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: Google doc yeah yeah. But starting out for Thursday, let's
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: get too some key forage activities, gentlemen, what do you say?
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: All right? Do it? World Registration from ten am to
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: five pm. World Championship are we Yeah we don't. It's
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: happening on six through ninth.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: Sign up sign up this yeah, but yeah, there's an
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  Speaker 3: open in a World Championship. Agin, We're good.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on the weekend. Two things have changed this year.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys noticed. So last year,
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: I can't remember when was the keynote. It was at
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: the end of Sunday, right, I know the Meet the
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Ghosties was on Sunday.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, are you talking keynote as where he presented information about.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where CTP gets up on the stage
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: and goes, we know we haven't given you op this year,
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: but we'll do better next year.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: And that happened. That was Friday.
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: I know, Meet the Ghosties was on Sunday last year,
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: and either they didn't have a lot of questions or
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: they just really really missed us because they put it
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: back on Thursday this year.
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  Speaker 3: I think they just want to be done.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Or CTP has got a boat to catch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's going to show up for like that one
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  Speaker 5: hour on Thursday and.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: It will never be seen again. Yeah, yep, that's what
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: I was thinking.
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  Speaker 5: That's what he's got minions for.
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  Speaker 1: M yep, yep.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but Thursday, Yes, they do the keynote. Really
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: that makes this matches with what we've seen in the past.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but like last again, last year it was
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  Speaker 2: a little I thought it was on Sunday, because I
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: thought we sift all that, oh.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: Met the posts for this. Theer is on the six
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  Speaker 3: as well.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Last Chance qualifiers because this
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: is where the real meat and potatoes we start getting
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: into it. Nothing has really changed except there's this big
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: thing in the middle here, to which Sheep was so
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: nicely to point it out for me to get me
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: really riled up to there. Players are purchase ticket that
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: includes the Last Chance Qualifier option. No additional entry fees
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: will be assessed, no event key required. Players will be
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: provided three sealed key four charge Crucible Clash decks. In
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: order to participate. We got to sleep and they'll give
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: you sleeves. So yes, your Last Chance Qualifier will be
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: played in Crucible Clash Crucible Net. All right, So so
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: cats and Dogs before we all get into that, what
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: do you think about this?
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: I like playing that set, but I'm I don't know
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: how it's going to go down for competition. I'm going
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: to open Thievery and then I will win. That's basically
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: my plan.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: That sounds like that sounds like a fandom me because
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: at first I was like, yeah, they top day, it
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: will just be Thievery yeah, well for me, and one that.
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: Lets you fetch up stuff, you know, like grab grab
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: your three cards out of your deck that'll kill two.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, none of those are kind of powers. Were definitely
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: none of them are overpowered at.
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  Speaker 5: All, balance optimized.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: They are balanced optimized. However, I thought you weren't even
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: going to be able to play with the ARCon powers
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: until Sheep was so nice to point out to me
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: that's only an ARCon and Alliance Sealed is another story.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: You get to pay, you get one of three garbage
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: ARCon powers because that's what you'll be drawing.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Alliance rules. You have to use a pod from the
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: deck that you're the r power for. Weird you should
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: ask that, because I have it right here. If a
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: seal deck is constructed from a set using ARCon power cards,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: it must include exactly one ARCon power reference card from
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: an ARCon deck that contributed at least one house pod
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: to the sealed deck. Decks constructed from other sets cannot
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: include an ARCon power card. M M, yeah, I mean
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: I wish they just wouldn't have the ARCon power Then
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: the bush cards you play them. It's fun. Yeah, that's
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: kind of what I thought it would be, but I
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: told I was wrong. I mean, look, we did play
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: We played our Crucible Clash this past weekend. On Sunday,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: we played our three deck event, so it was monthly event. Well,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: so what we did was we took a vote as
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: to how we wanted to do it. It was voted
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: almost unanimously that we would play True Sealed, except that
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: you could select any of the three ARCon powers from
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: any of the decks to put with your deck. So
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: that that was what we did.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: You know, like, did you guys do like no bust
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: like when you were playing Double O seven with your kids?
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Wait, no, no, no one guy did have thie three? Sorry
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: he did? Did he win? Good?
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I was just saying, like back in the day, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: remember everybody player remember playing Double O seven And you'd
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: be like, no, odd Job right because odd Job was
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: a character with the smallest hip boxes.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Yep, exactly right. So you'd be like, oh, no, busted powers.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about. I understand the worst.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: It's it's.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: I now, I was a PlayStation kid.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry for you.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: He uh, I don't have over gouber.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for saying what I said because I have
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: brought this episode to a screeching halt of my bad continue. Yeah, so,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: like the one guy did have ochree, he had the
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: odd job, and uh it was I think he was
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: trying a little too hard to like actually play the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: cards that were in his deck instead of just like
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: and just everything out of them to steal thirty six. Yeah,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: and then just steal thirty six is what That steal
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: up to thirty six member per game is what that
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: cards that should be enough to win? Yeah, so good.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: It was the first one I opened, Was it really?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I was that experience? Well well yeah,
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: because I hadn't I didn't know any of the other powers.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: So I read it and I had to reread it
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: a couple of times and ago, you can do this
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: more than once per turn? Oh yeah, I mean this
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: is this.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Is nuts and it would makes sense if it was
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: only once per turn.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: But no, Maybey are rat of that card before world?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe? I mean it's probably not.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Maybe they did it to stupid echo charge.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's only because we liked it. So I really
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: like fevery.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Nice card. Definitely not busted, totally balanced.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Talked some trash about that card I'm with Thrascore here, though,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: crystpal Clash as a whole is perfectly fine minus dark
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: on powers. Alternatively, if you're playing our compowers, if it's
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: there for me, I think that it should be there
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: for both players, and you play that at least it's
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: a more even playing field. Dexto will lean in and
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: have an advantage.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But those are the only two ways that I see
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: it as being as being a good I mean, I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you imagine that game though, it's just like who draws?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Like you're just stealing back, and like what even happens
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: in that game? So did you pick? I guess it's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Stronger than a token because it's a card in play.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: From turning on right ready to.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Thievery, they somebody has to make Amber correct, and so
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: you do have to be able to lean. You can
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: also play like if your house actually has steal, you
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: can purge the other cards to create a very thin
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: like shredder deck that you want to just cycle in
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: your hand. Can just be the key cards that you want.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: There's a real advantage to being able to do that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: That's some actual strategy, but here, just by being able
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: to open thievery versus this. Hey, I have two nights,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: so I'm going to get to gain an extra amber
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: when I play at night.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: These are really fair imbalanced and in no way is
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: there a power disparity between them.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I also this is a This is a bummer because
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I know they create a crucible clash and it really
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: hasn't gotten the play experience that I think they were
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: looking for. However, PV has a number of people who
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: are really liking it or people who are really not
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: liking it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: But I definitely I don't know.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I think that it's it's drawn people in in the
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: competitive scene, at least for playing ARCon So I would
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: have liked to have seen that, at least in the
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: sealed format.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: But I'm not the one decided there are some fun
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: cards in the set. We should I do agree with
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the cards.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fun that the cards are great.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: There's a lot.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: There's nothing that I can really remember that was like
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: on that card's busted right where there's no Trenk's creed.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: There's no there's nothing crazy, crazy crazy that I can remember.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: If I didn't even make it. That was the spoiler
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: that didn't make it in so that was too much
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: right down.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: But then they're like, oh is that what can we
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: do this? And I was like, I do, I do,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like I do.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Like Marty's comment, imagine if they are at of thievery
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: and leave Trinks alone.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: The truth the world finally good enough.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of wondering how that that whole thing,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that that that meeting went when they finally figured out
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that Trunk's creed does what it does, and they're like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: maybe if we won't say anything, no one will notice, right,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: remember like for a Life where it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, great, guys, it is fine for around the
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: kitchen table, we're good.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: But you know remember when Life for a Life just
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: said sacrifice the creature and you could sack your opponent screecher,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: because you know, that's what it didn't say. That didn't
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: say friendly creature. And then they were like, oh yeah,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that was supposed to say friendly and then they changed it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Hmm. I know.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I've voiced more.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Than one, maybe more than one Shrink's creed.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, there are there's a back out there now. Yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: now that you said that, Shrink's creed just went up
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: in power level again. It is now like a seventy six.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Mmmm, every every every top eight deck that had Sanctum
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and it also had shrinks creed weird. Do you think
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that's because because they felt bad for Sanctum, They're like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: oh man, we got to give them something.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think it was just a mistake. I think it
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: was too but well, one one will never know. One
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: will never know. But you'll be playing Crucible Clash at KFC.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Will we see one flicks?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Unlikely.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I mean we have heard so much about Crucible Clash
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: that I would expect, Oh man, it's going to be
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: a dominant set and it's going to win everything and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: so good.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Remember Pepper Farmer members. I mean, there's been very like right,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: like you. The release date for retail hasn't hit yet,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: so doors haven't been able to refill if they've run out.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: So a bunch of people got their three decks through
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the game found and then haven't gotten any more. Yep.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I suspect some people will want to get more. Well now, yes,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: they're like, how can we increase Crucible Clash sales? I know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: let's make it what you'll be playing in the sealed qualifiers? Honestly,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: what yeah?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, I don't have a problem with Crucible Clash
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the actual decks themselves. I enjoy playing that. It just
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: comes down to the ARCon powers are not balanced, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: so if you're not equally accessible to them, and so again,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: three decks, we always play single so three decks I
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: at least have a better chance to pull something. But
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I do think the ark On powers are widely variable.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Marty is in there saying that, And I didn't even
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: look at this because I just immediately teed off on
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: this thing that I'll be playing Crucible Clash the sealed
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: open it is prophetic visions. Yeah, why why.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Would you do World one and not the both PV.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Because it's more fun to play multiple things.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: So remember that, remember that they want to run too, Yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: they want to run. They want to run two different
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: sets too. We've seen that in the past. So we're
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: looking at one kind of older set and one new.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: They just simply put it a C C and then PV. Mmmm,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: that's not that's not a normal because picture of both
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: of them were CC, or both of them were PV.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: They're they're just spreading it out. I'm fine with that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And then we're going to get it. Yeah, the theory
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is good.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this measures for measures is. I
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: can only imagine as stochronian measures. Players are required to
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: bring us special measures for measures, tournament voucher for participation.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: That's that's gonna be late at night for measures.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It's your first look at Draconian measures. They're gonna have
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that ready by KFC.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they always, they always do that. That's your first time.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got the printer right there, right, they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: can they can print it that week, just whip up
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a few.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to remember last year where like, because
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I thought Draconian Measures, I thought the game found was
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: late this year as compared to where as was last year.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: It is a little bit.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It feels a lot late, remember for two three months later.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But you know what they can do, right. CTP can
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: be like, uh, hey, Josh, you know you uh you
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: said you were going to run this event. Well the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: printer's open starting eleven pm night, so you better get
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in there. You gonna run the printer through the night,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: run the printer hand packed decks.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I actually like the events, the early access for people
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: coming to worlds, a chance to play your an upcoming set.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I think that is a good one. I think it's wait, yeah,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I think that works out really well. Give access, let
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: them try it out. And we've seen some erratus. Some
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: cards have been changed as a results of those events.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: One card has been changed, that's it, just the one
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: just which one charge?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know if it was because but again,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: when you can get some play, you just have a
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: lot more people playing and being able to run through
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: those stacks and to see the interactions.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Because I don't remember anything from Ember Sky is getting
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: change due to us playing saying it early or no?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Do we play as early?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: No?
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think we did.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Grimm reminders. I remember we got to play early. Yeah, yeah, No,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think we did.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It was just sure I seem to remember. I don't know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I remember are Yeah it was late night that and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: then yeah talk was the one last year. Yep, late
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: night talk. Oh that's right, Yeah, it wasn't it. It
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: started so late. There was a lot of disagreement as
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: to should we start, should we play or not? Should
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: we start now later things are still going on.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I will simply say where people are you start on time?
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that other people are still playing. Hey, you're
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: doing really well. Great, keep playing, but we're going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: start the event when don't go ahead and go through it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I like that it was three decks pick one. I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: perfectly fine with that. It just is a very rushed
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: atmosphere last year, and that we can do better with. Yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and the and the prizes need to actually be something. No, no, nope, nope.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Nobody comes for prizes, not a soul right, see.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: No, nobody comes for prizes.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: But the short answer is if you win, if you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: go ahead and go three to zero, there should be
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: something that's worthwhile.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Not here you get another deck.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm I will better do better the prizes.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think the prizes are that critical, but yeah
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: they are pretty poor. Yeah, yeah, poor, that's an acceptable answer.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: They can do foil now, like foil they could and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: here's yeah, yeah, we'll keep all oil. I do think
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I buy them and I give them the sheep because
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: they're still dog shit when I open them. They just
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: have a foil. They look pretty, they do. I think
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: foil solo. You couldn't even tell it was foil.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Oh really, my soils have been awesome.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them are so little for whatever reason,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the solo like whatever, whatever the areas they chose, the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: areas they chose to foil made sense to foil. It
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: just didn't. It didn't come through.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: It doesn't stand out a lot. That is true.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Can I go ahead and give the recommendation? We know
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: that it costs more for foiled decks, yep, but what
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: about an all foiled deck for your new draconian measures?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: So a set that's not overall here no, no.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: That it would cost about fifty dollars to make soil deck.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I am in so we have buy.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: No no, no, But but depending on how many players
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: come out for the sealed events. If you announce ahead
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: of time, you should draw more in because they're excited
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: and will stay. But how many people will go three?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And oh?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: If you have four five, maybe think about what that
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: price point is.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: You can produce five or six ahead of time, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: any of them that don't act like your numbers maybe
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: are low they didn't show up. Then put those in
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: as a final raffle. Those would be sought after items. Again,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: if we announce it, they'd be something with a new
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: set all foil super limited. Who makes it a little
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: bit better than just here's another deck.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Well all right, so all right, if you think about
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: every single card in a set, was that three hundred some? Yeah,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and you think about you have to have either you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: do it slobby or you have an artist design where
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the foil goes Yep, how much do you think it
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: they would have to pay an artist. Well, but it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: going to be a large here's the other idea. That
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: first deck doesn't cost fifty dollars. That first deck costs
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Here's the deal thereafter. I really like the foiler. They
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: did a fantastic job. I don't understand why everything needs
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: to be like head and heels crazy, like we need
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: these crazy foils, right, I mean, why not just take
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the back. You remember how Magic used to do it.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It was just the border. The border would be foil
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and then everything else would be just ha, we got
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: cool border stuff, right, So just just foil out the border, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: just just if it's a Mars card, that Mars border
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: gets foiled, So now you only have to do it
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: eleven times as opposed to I understand it's a quality like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: well these look cooler. Well you want to know what like.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Time in the Yeah. No, I was going to make
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: an analogy there, but I don't know if many people
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: would understand it, so I'm.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Not is it Is it a falling knife analogy?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: It is not a falling knife analogy, butalogy. Oh okay,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: let's let's talk Sega. Yeah, I'm like two duh. It's
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: not like to.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Did you guys ever get a chance to play No Mad?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: No? Okay?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So No Mad was actually the handheld version that could
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: play Sega Genesis games.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Oh the batteries last like fourteen hours. So far, so
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: far ahead of its time. Man, it just that's my childhood, right.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: There was a backlit screen. Yeah, put all the other
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: ones the shame.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, x men Rosarro was at ooh. Well, I played
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of Aladdin Laddin. Now I didn't have the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Psyga Genesis. I had the Super Nintendo. But my next
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: door neighbor he had the Sega, so we would jump
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: back and forth.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Oh so you had the best both worlds.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, I had a Sega. It's pretty sweet.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Now you were Sacha guy. I played a lot of Aladdin.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: That game was on that carpet. I forgot I played
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of Maden Sonic and Madden Sonic. Yeah, played
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of Sonic too. All right, well, oh yeah,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I play a birth Worm gym. I forgot about Earthworm gym.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: That was a good Did you guys ever play Pirates Gold? No?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: No, Pirates Gold and NHL? I did enjoy some NHL.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: But for Pirates Gold, you're basically a little pirate ship
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: and you go around and then like swashbuckle people and
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: steal from them. Man, it was so.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It was robbery with a deadly weapon. What a cool concept. Anyways,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it's definitely not a definitely not a felony. But anyways,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I think that anything we got some over about KFC,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it's happening. Go listen to help from future self. They'll
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: tell you what we're where and when we're drinking. Uh,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I mean we're I mean they're doing the first night.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll we'll we'll lead some mascapades. Don't worry,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: we'll have Yeah, we'll have a jazz core experience. Buy
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: your tickets now on our Patreon for three Maybe maybe
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that'll go to our the Drawbetter dot cards. Also, if
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you want to just say Patreon, yeah, does it not crash.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Do you try to upload on TV next?
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: No, So so you know, I'm like, I'm like, I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: gonna commit to the vibe coding. I'm not gonna write
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: any code myself or so I'm like doing some stuff.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: This was yesterday and I was like, oh, yeah, let
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: me do this thing. This will be cool. I like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: run it. I sell these like console logs just like flying.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like what, like what is it even doing? Like
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: why is it just like churning and churning and churning.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And I started to see all these errors from d
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: ok that I'm firing too many requests, so like, holy crap,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I'm detossing d okay, so I had to kill the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: process for sport. I fired like hundreds of requests, so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you almost shut down the okay whoops. Yeah, I like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: message Nova. I was like, uh, whoops. So in an
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: attempt to make something better and almost shut down what
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we have, thanks dress Car. Yeah. So so she she's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's pretty smart, like she she puts up protections.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: When I started to see was all these four to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: twenty nine errors, and I was like, wait a second,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, so I made it and it actually
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: tells you how many requests. Yeah, you you've been making.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was like three hundred. Oh gosh,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: let me so woops.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: So what you're saying is SaaS won the first war
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: between SaaS and Drascore.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: For now.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but once we get to PV, don't even worry
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: SaaS candle a candle. Yeah. All the other sets you're
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: on your own. But PV we got you. That's right,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that's right. What I got you? I mean, yeah, I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: got an eventually I got this thing is not I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: can't turn this on right now like somebody else could
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: do what I did. Just whoops.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And then and then all of a sudden, we no
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: longer have d okay either. All right, cool, I'm excited.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I KFC is a great time. If you
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: have not picked up tickets, definitely pick up tickets. Come
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: out again. Community is great. One hundred dollars for the
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: weekend all.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: No.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: A hundred is the weekend pass and then all days,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: so it's your Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: It's like old days. Just sounds weird up.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it was. It was, wasn't it. Now
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: it's one forty five weren't we telling them this should
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: increase the price, wasn't that?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're looking, if you're looking at six,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: but picture you're getting six decks out of it, like
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: it's a good deal.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Are you getting six stacks out of it? Aren't you
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: just getting your three?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Mm?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, y yes, I'll.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: See plus VM twenty five.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're probably getting like one VM twenty five.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Now I gotta go.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I can't remember.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It might be four. It's probably four decks, yeah, because
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: they did for the double event last year. I think
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they if you you had enough vouchers to participate in
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: one of the events, right.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it says make sure to get the bag. All
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: attendings expect to receive a traditional Ghost Galaxy goodie bag
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: with one arc on deck, an event pinning, an event
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: badge in an event program. An additional three to six
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: decks are included for seal depends depending on the ticket
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: type purchased. These complimentary decks are given out. Yeah, so
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: it was six. I had read that, right, Okay, we.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Again six decks?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Is six decks is worth it?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: That's not a bad deal.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I didn't find it funny for a time to register,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: they said, they said two to three minutes allow fifteen
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: minute wait time.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it made me laugh. Once you get to the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: front of the line that want to pick a log dark,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: this is a josh fifteen minutes, which is like an hour.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's like sixty. It's like I think it
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: may be.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: We can move fast.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be fine, it'll be like sixty.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Anyways, all right, tour to that event where we're gonna
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: let cancer Dog tell us why adaptive is the best
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: format ever and then we pooh poo all over it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Are you ready to catch y?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so let's see. Oh no, you jumped on
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: them talk Yeah, listen, So you could have said adaptive, Oh,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: that's not the format for me, and then you know
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: that everyone can respect that. You know, everyone played Keyfards.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: How you want to play Keyfords? Right, but you said adaptive,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: here's the dice roll format, and I just lost my mind.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, most adaptive players do when they hear that.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because look, look, we just went through we went
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: through the Final Refrains, we went through Arkhan, we went
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: through Alliance. You participated in some of those, and how
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: many times did we have a matchup where a deck
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: and a pilot just two to oh flattened the other side.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: And we're sitting there in the chat and we're going like, oh,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: look at these Alliance builds. And if you get the
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: combo on turn one, it's there's nothing to do but
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: just like sit here and laugh and it's over by
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: turn three, and.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Alliance is no good. We agree, Okay, Alliance
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is no good. Arcan ARCon.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: We we still have Like when you have a new
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: set and you open your one hundred decks, how many
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: of them are you going to bring to.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Archon two point zero one point zero one? I'm like, hey,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: can I borrow this?
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Can I borrow that good one? And then PV comes out?
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: And then that one that you borrowed, you know, Aria
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: is Aria already like in the dust or like maybe
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: still good enough?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's probably I mean it likes archives.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, so when you roll into the ARCon tournament, what
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: are we doing except eighty percent seeing who brought the
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: strongest deck.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Honestly, that's very much a matchup game, right, isn't it.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: But if we're playing adaptive, we'll play that game. We'll
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: swap and then we'll find out who's good.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: All right, So here's your first problem.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: If you win too well, if you win too oh
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: that was skill, and then all of a sudden, it
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: breaks the whole game wide open.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Here's here's your first problem. Your first problem is exactly
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: what you said. We got to play one game, then swap. Okay,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: this is an Ewok forge, right, I'm not here for
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: three hours round one? Okay, not interesting? Oh man, I
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: had a practice in Alliance game with Ewok for ABR.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, forever, it is not that slow.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, why did I drive this guy? I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: mean that's fair.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because this guy's only lost one game.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, look at me, mister big time.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: You're the best of three.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: You reply, we're gonna skip skip the best of three
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: and we go to best of one, because that's what
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: we would really play. In a like a in the
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Final Refrain, you would play the best of threes in
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: a vault or whatever. Then we would play best of
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: one and we would sit down. We would look at
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: the two decks and we go, okay, that one's complete nonsense.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Triple Trink's creed. So we're gonna bid on this one.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: And you're gonna use your keyboard skills to figure out
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: how much it's worth, and then you're gonna use your
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: keyboard skills to either make a win or beat it
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: with the other thing.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Have you listened to my argument before?
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that I have, honestly.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, So.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Say we're both really good or even you know, tending
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: towards moderately good right at keyfde right now we're here,
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: and yeah, decks are inequal. This is very very true.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: And I'm sitting here with my Triple Trunk's Creed and
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: you know you just your best deck in the world
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: can't compete with it, right, So you're like, in arcan
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: this is pointless. I understand what you're saying. I'm not
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: disagreeing that that is in fact. Okay, so we sit down.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: We're going to play adaptive. We play a shitty game. Okay,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: you want to go to best of one, So we're
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: gonna sit down, We're gonna go best of one and
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: go well, obviously we're both fitting on the bullshit deck. Yeah, okay,
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: so now we've bid chains. Yep, right now, we're both
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: good at this. Right in my world, I'm generally planning
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: against people who are competent in key Ford, not beating
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: them because I am just better at key Ford, right,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Like I can do that without having to have a
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: triple trinks creed deck if they're just back at key Ford. Sure, sorry,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: we're gonna excellent players. I bid some chains, now you
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: bid some chains, and I doe more chains. And when
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: do we quit bidding chains?
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: When you assess that we've hit the break even point
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: in this matchup.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Which break even means what are the odds I'm gonna
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: win with this deck? Yeah?
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: But so this is where we're going to, like is
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: a good turn into a coin.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: Flip, which is not like a game theory sense, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: that it is right in a game three sense, it
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: switches to a coin flip. And actually as if if
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: it's if the game bid is two or three chains,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: it's not that as majorly important, right, But when we're
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: getting into the the seven to fifteen bid range, right, yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: and you're playing with significantly less cards right now, like
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: winning with the bit it up chain deck becomes even
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: more of a crappy luck draw because if you draw
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: how strong, right, if you're drawing four four hands when
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: you're down to chains, like it almost didn't matter that
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: you bid chains and you win because of the draw
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: more than the chain bid.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I'm believing that there's something to that absolutely, and.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: This is ultimately my total problem with this is in
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: game theory, and my game theory is what we're doing
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: is bidding to let's be honest, like sixty forty fifty
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: five forty five, right, You're not really ever going to
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: bid to fifty to fifty. Yeah, and we're just ultimately
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: increasing that luck is going to make a major deciding fact.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: So I think what I would say to that is,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: this is like the hypothetical two perfect player scenario.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Some people are better at.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: So it's wookie yep, yeah, some people are better.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: But also the two players brought decks that they know
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: inside and out, and so there's an interesting asymmetry there.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: And then I think what happens is the player who
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: is if there's a skilled difference, the player who's got,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: you know, the the advantage there manages to apply it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: So in this particular game, like any game, you can
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: draw cold and you can lose, and so things like
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: that can happen. But over a series, I think that
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: the most skillful player will win over and over and
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: over again. And it had nothing to do with I
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: opened a crate full of decks and I think that's
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: I think that's really important.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: So again you're you're missing the rn G point of it, right,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: because it when we bid up chains and we're getting
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: into chat crazy chain numbers right right, And you are
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: in four cards, right, Like, if you draw dead, even
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: with a really good deck and your only you only
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: have four cards, you're still gonna crap out against a
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: deck that has no chains.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I love playing the CODA sixty five SaaS deck against
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: the gr deck with fifteen chains.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: So he and here's the other deal. You're making the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: assumption where was ahead with this? I had, I had
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: an idea where I was headed. Yeah, no, I forgot.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: You're making the assumption that chains is leveling the playing
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: field and that you're able to bring a deck that
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: your opponent can't figure out. And when you're moderately okay
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: at the game, most decks can be figured out. Because
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: you said everything that I always hear from every other
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: adaptive player, Well, you have to bring the super secret
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: deck right that your opponent just won't know what to
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: do with and it's like, no, we've all been around
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: the block most of the time to be able to
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: figure out and in a best of three, you will
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: be showing me how to do it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: That's true, But let's go back to the best of
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: one for a second, and let's go back to the
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: final refrain, because this happened a bunch in arkan An Alliance, like, so,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: didn't you practice like Wookie and Sheet for your match
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: against Aren't? I can't remember, But like a lot of folks,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: I was consuming all the different content and I heard
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of people say the same thing. We practice
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: this matchup all week, and then when we got into it,
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I thought I was favorite like eighty twenty, and it
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: felt completely different when we got in there in the game,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: and I think different people playing that deck on the
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: other side, aren't. You can get some like surface level practice,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: but you can't get the real experience of what that
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: person playing that deck. Assuming that these decks have lots
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: of lines, they don't have to be a puzzle that
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: you can't possibly figure out, but they have lots of lines,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: and they have lots of opportunities to archive here and
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: make little micro decisions that add up and I think
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: that there's a room for your skill expression.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: I don't see why that's missing an ARCon.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Well, the difference between Adaptive and ARCon is that it's accessible,
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: so you're player's accessible.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: If you are newer to this game and you sit
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: down and have to figure out somebody's else's deck and
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: bid chains.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't say I didn't say for newbies. I mean
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: for people who want to compete and they don't have
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: two thousand decks. They have fifty decks.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: So I guess this is where I'll jump in written
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: down a couple different items, But we ask why is
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: it skill that we are consistently placing as adaptive. But
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: before I get to that component, Adaptive has this idea
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: that all decks are playable, and that's just a fallacy.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: The short answer is the short answer is if you
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: actually look at top level Adaptive that they have a
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: very specific set of decks that rise to the top.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: It is a different set of decks than what you
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: see for ARCon or what you will see for Alliance,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: but it is a very specific set of decks, and
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: so we really have three piles. You have a pile
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: of decks that are more conducive for adaptive, conducive for
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: our and more for alliance.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: I agree, we need to make adaptive score now up
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: because this okay, so this is the same thing that
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: happened with SaaS cap adaptive store. And then you can
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: show that these best of the world adaptive decks are
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: just as rare and stupid as ARCon decks. Then we
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: can talk some trash again.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: So when when she when Sheep talks about SaaS cap,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: that is definitely a thing because SaaS is a range.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: But there are certain decks that have the same range,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the same number, but they are drastically different and and
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: and that's when we place a cap. It's just whoever
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: has a wider collection and has tested it more, which
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: again you're talking a little bit about for adaptive, then
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: you can fault and correct.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Honestly, you can find that ARCon.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: By definition, it's only the top of the top and
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: it keeps changing adaptive is there more of the all
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: decks are.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Like that's the subjective part, Sheep, I mean you allowed objective.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: You are absolutely correct. It is subjective. And they sub
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: definitely don't like playing ARCon and I sub definitely have
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: never enjoyed playing an adaptive game in my life.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry, let's keep going dress. Yeah, I want to back
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: up for a second, because that fun is I beholder?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: All right? So you agreed cats my dogs? Muh I
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: want to do cats? I don't know.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: So you agreed that there are a certain type of
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: deck that is more conducive to strong, strong adaptive decks.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like what, I'm not an adaptive player. Tell
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: me what what's like top tier adaptive deck? Look like?
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I am not a top tier adaptive player, but I
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: will tell you that if you go look at Mooseman,
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: dude that plays this like fifty SaaS thing that he
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: wrects everybody with and ADG plays Chandra of the I
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: don't know it's full name, but I've played against it
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: in CAGGI with and against it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Decks with a lot of lines I think are the perfect,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: you know, decks where every house maybe has game, or
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: one house looks terrible, but there's a way.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: To use it to its best.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: So you know, you're getting into the territory of looking
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: at a sealed deck and saying, like, you know, what's
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: the best that can squeeze.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: Out of this?
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: You can pick and choose amongst men. Yeah, I mean
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: another thing that you get to do while you're playing
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Adaptive is say, I have a deck in my collection
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: that is not arkon worthy, but it has a ton
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: of fun and interesting things that can do, and we
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: can play a skillful game with this like fun thing
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: that I'm bringing. So every time you sit down to play,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: you never know where you're going to sit across from,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: and you're going like, oh, that's fun, all that's fun.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: Can't you do that in Arcot? Why can't I Why
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: do you have to have bids to be able to
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: sit down across from somebody and agree to play a
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: game that is on a equal footy, Like I get
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: what you're saying, Like if you're only if your only
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: format that you can ever go and playing this game
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: is at a local store where all they ever play
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: is Crush your face Arcot, where everybody's always bringing Vault
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Tour level art condext to play and you don't have them, Like,
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: this ain't gonna be fun. And if your only experience
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: with key Forge is playing through TCO, that's either a
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: real mess or you're playing in the you know, in
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: the competitive and it is top level arc on stuff.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: Because people are practicing for what there is Like if
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: those are the only experiences you can have, Yeah, I
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: can see we're being new to the game.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Is is.
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: Tough or it's not necessarily easy to play in if
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: you have this like whole problem where you'll only play
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: your own decks, right, because I mean, especially online, that
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: is not acquirement.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: So I want to thank you guys for letting me
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: come on and say something. And I think what I
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: would part, you know, end with is something like I
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: get that adaptive isn't everybody's famous favorite format, but I
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: feel like it's one worth promoting because it's a healthy, welcoming,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: accessible way to get more people to come play.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: For But I don't think that's true.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Not for newbies.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I don't mean for newbies, I don't mean for like
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: brand new people.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Here's here's another classic argument I've had with adaptive is
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: so an ARCon Right, I am able to flex the resource,
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: at least in the past, not so much anymore. I
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: can flex the resource I have available to me, which
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: is my money. Right, I can buy a retarded deck,
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: or I can buy a lot of sealed product and
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: try to open something, right, And this is a resource
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: that I have available to me, and that's how I
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: can use it to improve my results in this game.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I understand not everybody gets to do that, right, And
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: Adaptive often and to a great extent, allows somebody to
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: flex the fact that they have far more time to
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: invest in learning the one deck they play, which I
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: don't have. I don't have the ability to sit down
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: and put a thousand reps on a deck and find
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: a deck that's sort of one, right, So it's it
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: is another. It is just flexing a different thing that
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: not everybody has available to them.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: And that's why both of those formats are complimentary to me.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: And and I've never never said Adaptives shouldn't be played.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: I've said I want nothing to do with Adaptive. Well
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: I have changed, I've changed my tune on Adaptive to
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: the extent of like in my I don't think Alliance
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: should be played. But now there's people who want to
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: play Alliance, and why take it away? Same thing, the
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: same you know, the other six people who want to
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: play Adaptive can go over in the other corner. Peple
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: want to play a lot, it's going to go on
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: that corner. And I have no problem with that.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Like because seven people who want to play Shredder all
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: joined in the middle.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Over there, it's just playing Seal.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: And then we're all going to get together to play
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: Sealed now, right, because that's the only thing in this
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: game that isn't some diseased monster, and even that's got
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: issues currently. Yeah, it's it's it's at least fun still,
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: at least, I think, Henny.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only way you're ever gonna honestly skill
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: test anything is if for Sealed we are all given
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: the same deck, and then that's just a skilled test
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: of who who's r G came out better.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: But that's exactly it is.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's literally the only way I
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: play the same deck.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: And then it's timing. So so let me highlight something
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: that I think I think I heard, and you guys
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: can tell me if this is is right or wrong.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: It sound a little bit like hey, for ARCon and
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and Alliance there. It engages with the sort of person
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: who wants to hunt down find either within their own
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: collection or you know, purchase a deck or pods or
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: whatever that they think is going to be the best
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and like that hunt and then honing their skills on
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that deck is the engaging part, whereas perhaps adaptive, it's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: about folks saying well, I just want to bring a
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: deck I enjoy and I like m and find a
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: way to make that a competitive style event. Yeah, which
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: is like the opposite direction. Is that fair?
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's fair. And to me,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: it's like it creates another space. We have three and
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: a half million key Fords, and so many of them
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: are just crying out like play me, no, no, there,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: shred me.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: You're really wrong. You're missing this shape. It is pass
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: it to Pete.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Pete piles, that's what they are.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Pete's piles. I sent Pete some fodder.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: We give Pete fodder on a weekly basis, so get
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: on our level. We just go, well, this is garbage, Pete.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: So I still think that key Forge and the sealed
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: environment is a good investment, and it's investment for time.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Like we're coming out, you're playing with friends. If you're
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: going ahead and doing another social activity, whether that's going
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: to a bar or going ahead and grabbing dinner or
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: going ahead and going to a movie, you would pay
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: for that same amount. And so in that manner, key
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Forge is a really good investment of time. But most
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: of these decks equate to just being middling decks that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: they're fine if you want to bring out and play
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: against some of your friends. But again, this is a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: competitive podcast, and so the idea is to have something
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: that's competitive the range, and Garfield himself has said this,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: there was a it was not intending for this game
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: to be balanced. So as soon as you hear that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: you have decks that have a wide range, it's just
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: depending on how are you going ahead and playing to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: that range. Are you looking for the most broken deck ARCon,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: are you looking for individual pods that you can put
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: together alliance or are you looking for a deck that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: is quirky that you personally have an attachment to that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: can do some very unique things adaptive?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, so looking for a deck? Oh sorry, you
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: got ahead cuts with that?
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Oh I'm just agree yeah, go ahead?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Okright, okay, So all right, so I have a question,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: so looking for a deck. Would it be correct in
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: your opinion to say that most adaptive players are looking
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: for a deck within their own collection, or do a
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: significant number of adoptive players, like kind of Archon style,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: go hunting for a deck that they think meets like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: whatever criteria.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: In my experience, people find a deck and go, oh,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: this is a gem. Oh I love this deck. Oh
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: I've got fifty hundred reps on this deck. Oh maybe
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: I should take this to adaptive like a deck that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: you like.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: That question, mister drascoor adaptive is not a recognized legal format.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: But that that doesn't matter, It doesn't Can I finish
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: this state now? All right? Cool? Yes? No, I'm just
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: gonna keep it to my cel phone and dogs.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: We gotcha, go.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Ahead, wow because the dogs. Wow there you go go ahead.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Lookie, I was gonna say most so, how many people
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: are playing in Kagi?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: We had a record number and I forgot what it was,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: seventy two or whatever.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it has actually been increasing. I will give credit there.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Run KAGGI live at Vegas, by the way, are you going?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: No that I've heard live will be there.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I will not be there. I will say that.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: The one of my issues with each of these formats is, again,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: we have a very small community as a whole. When
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: we show up for an event of key Forge, there's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: not three hundred or five hundred or eight hundred or
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: one thousand players that we see in other card games,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: we're sub one hundred. So to have these different little factions,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, creates more division versus, hey, we're all.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Playing one game.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: And yes, it's great that you can individually play, but
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, Alliance, ARCon, sealed and adaptive that can
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: all be for your local store where your individual playgroup
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: can go ahead and play and figure that out and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: have fun with whatever formats they want. But when we
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: get into a larger environment, we should be playing sealed.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: That's really where it's at. You can play ARCon. It
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: just when we get splits and we're smaller and smaller
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: and smaller demographic, it just it doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: But that's my two cents.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: I think I think the increase is has to do
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: with how you know, and my opinion poor the world
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: of ARCon and Alliance has become. I might be that well,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's part that an Alliance.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: Format is awful, but like it is the rampant craziness
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: and quality of decks that has happened, is that the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: instability that there is in those formats, which some people
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: think is good, but ultimately doesn't actually sit well with
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: long term players.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: I do think that there's two other components that need
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: to be taken in consideration. One of those being that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: we have a smaller community, and so you have players
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: who are just looking to play some of those decks
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: that can't be played again in Arkon and they don't
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: have a pod for Alliance. But also there has been
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: a nice group of people who've come together who've put
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: forward the time and effort to build the community that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: is Adaptive. So I think all three of those parts
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: make for an increase and people wanting to go ahead
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: and join. People have talked about it, and then they've
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: put in the time and effort, and if you show
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: up again weekly or through the events online, then yes
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: it'll grow. But I give real credit to the organizers
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: who have gone ahead and increase the numbers Vegas.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: I'm going to play Stealed ARCon and Adaptive.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: I'm going to Vegas, and I'm not registering for KeyForge.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: You're drinking, so that's because you're arriving late. You would
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: play Sealed, right, Yeah?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, had I got there in time for Sealed, I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: would have registered for that.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: The so so okay, so I I am sympathetic to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: the thought of, Hey, you know, I play a lot
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: of sealed. It's my favorite. Sometimes I'll run across the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: seal deck where I'm like, this is just like a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: lot of fun to play, but it's not good enough
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to do something, you know, to take to a.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: R.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Connor Alliance format. So I could see the allure of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: while give me a format that I could still play
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: this deck. Like that thought makes sense to me. I guess,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: so let's hold me back. Well, one, I just play
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: more sealed, right, that's the real answer. But I guess
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: the secondary answer is I don't know that I love
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: chains and chain bidding, Like do I want to invest
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: in the chain bidding skill, which is like a really
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: important part of adaptive Like I enjoy it when I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: do it now and then. But if I was like,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: can I tell you my secret? Yeah, yeah, go ahead, okay.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Sheep said, less than five chains almost doesn't matter, and
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: you just got to figure out what twelve chains is worth,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: like sixty five SaaS coda up against gr eighty eight nonsense,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: and then everything in between. Just use your gut. That'll
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: get you through ninety percent of adaptive games. You don't
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: really have to go into this like micro but it's it's.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: And that is exactly why I could win in adaptive
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: is because yeah, just throwing the gut at it.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Trust your gut, and when we have a lot of
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: play experience, it gives it advantage. But the problem is
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: is that you want to really look at the individual
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: matchup and if I'm bringing a board heavy deck, I'm
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: looking to see are you how many board clears are
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: you bringing? Like all of those nuances are things that
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: have to be kept in mind. But yeah, and you
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: can have some knowledge and basis around it, and.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: So you'll you'll wipe the floor with me using my
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: gut and that's good. I mean, I think I think
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: that should be rewarded.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I would just prefer to speed up the game. I know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: I can hear.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: The can't afford to be a flower.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Okay in the chat and instead actually one you're looking
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: at multiple games, so that that is a deficit. You
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: can play single game adaptive, which again gives more leniency
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: to players who have a larger card pool knowledge base.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: But I would much rather see instead of chains where
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: we're slowing the game down. My opponent is going to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: head and drawing an extra card, which is a very
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: different dynamic, but something to speed up the game of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: extra cards, which again, but that also changes which decks
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: become more viable for adaptive and then that's that's an
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: important thing to be able to keep in mind. How
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: I relate adaptive is when you first come out to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: ARCon you may be playing tabletip with your buddy and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: you may have this deck that just keeps winning, it
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: keeps stomping, you really have fun with it. I still
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: remember my first CODA deck that I had fun with
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: with my wife. We were playing across the table. It
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: had twenty four creatures, and then I brought it to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: what was essentially local p at that time and got
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: stomped because the meta that was in the home was
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: very very different than what we would see anywhere else.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: And adaptive help. It was action based steel and that mattered.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: But when you see that.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Fair and balanced deck, I don't want to hear anything
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is adaptive to me still has
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: that little bit of feel, is that people have some
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: real affinity towards certain decks. They love them, but you
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: bring them into an actual environment where you have some
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: competitive adaptive players and that really slims or cuts certain people.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: And again, similar to ARCon, you see certain players making
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: Top eight consistently adaptive of the same thing. It just
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: seems to be a different set of I won't say
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: different set of people, but a different group of decks.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: That are kind of being able to make it to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: the top.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: And it partially because of who's playing and what decks
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: they're playing.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: I want to share this one dress I did pay
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: for a non ARCon deck. Marty sold me this deck
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: that I put in the chat Incisive to you of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: the Rock. It's Cursed Relic, it has Flints Map, it
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: has triple Daughter and articulated ren This deck is super
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: fun to play, and it's it's not obviously doing one
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: exact you know thing. It's got all these piece parts
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: that are like moving in different directions and uh yeah,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: I think I think this is an example of a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: deck that can kind of capture you and you'll spend
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of time with it.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but notice your joy even when you're talking about it.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: You are having fun. And that's what I want to
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: be able to see and that that should be with
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: a sealed deck. It's a real bummer when you open
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: a sealed stinker and you're like, uh, I don't want
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: to play this again. The same thing happens when you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: show up with an arc on deck and then you're
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: just getting blown out. In the old days, you know
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: you had it wasn't just O two, but you just
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: kept playing. But you're playing other people who are at
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: your same level essentially. But I love hearing your excitement
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: over this deck. And it doesn't need to be a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: big SaaS number, but it has some it has some tools.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, they need a format where you can only
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: play double or tan decks. That's what we need.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: We can't have that format because you own them all.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean I can't help you aren't for double,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: but you that is not true.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Name one.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I sold one back in the past.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Mh.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: One more thing to sell you on a deck, One
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: more thing, one less. When you sit down to play
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: and it ends up that you're playing the other deck
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: and you see the person across from you do something
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: cool with your deck that you've never seen before. That's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: key forge magic. I love that part.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Well I do you think? I mean yeah?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: Then yeah, people play your deck online and stuff. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt to see other people do things with
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: your deck.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it gives you a different perspective. What I like
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: is regardless.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Of what format you're playing close games. Honestly, when it's
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: two keys to two keys and you're pushing and it's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: going back and forth, those are the games and it
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what format it is. So that's why it's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: so important that we test these decks and we make
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: sure that they are more the range is not as
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: drastic as we've seen with some of the more recent.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Or we could just not make busted busted cards.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: Crazy love busted busted cards.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Not busted, just one busted, thank you.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: I don't need bus busted, just busted, fine, but fine.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Busted bust are exponential busted too far, sir, too far.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I can do no cas dogs. You may get a
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: lot of folks coming out to play adaptive because they
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: listen to us to be like, those guys are idiots opposite,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, and just do the opposite of what these
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: fools say. I mean, that's definitely why our guest is
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: here in the audience, right, you know, thousands idiots, what
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: are they saying this time. Yeah, yeah, that's why most
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: people listen to us. They're like, what are these morons
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: Adaptive is just another one of those formats that I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: don't care for. It exists as long as I don't
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: have to play it. Sure, isn't that?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: But that's everything. You're like, I don't care if this
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: card game exists as long as it doesn't come by me.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that's that's how that's get along with life.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: I don't have to that's right. Things don't have to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: die just because I don't like them. Mm hmm, I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: mean something should die.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: A little bit of sorry, go ahead.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: I was just I was just saying, thanks, thanks for
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: letting me come on and say a little something about it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: So Bookie is a licensed troll, quadruple a troll.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I do best, talk ship and troll online.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: These are too bad.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Those don't translate well into a resume somehow. But you know,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: professional ship talker isn't to.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Help you in the hiring process. Professional talker isn't a
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: job yet. It'll be one day, one day, a professional
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: ship talker will be up there. Not today though. Well,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: but I think we've had enough fun for tonight. Can
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: we all agree? Sure?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, I have to get up.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Were you sufficiently violated tonight because we can go further?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: That was great? Did you just ask for consent? Is
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: that what I'm hearing? What? No? Oh my goodness, you
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: have to ask for you well, hold on number one.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: At least he asked. Cats has warned right many times
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: before we even started about what was going to happen
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: here tonight.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: And I think I think Cats and Dogs did a
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: very nice job one being willing to come on and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: then to talk different points knowing that you are essentially
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: in talk radio going against you.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: So I thought you handled it very well. So well done,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. But with that being said, it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: is all of our bedtimes. What have we learned today?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: You'll be playing CC at KFC for the last chance qualifiers.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Our com powers are stupid and adaptive. Still sucks. So
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we all learned things that I just wanted
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: to bullet pointed out at the end. So, but with
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: that being said, we will see you all next week.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Happy chain binding everyone by the forge, be with you.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Draft scores off the show. I didn't tell it's not
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: a good time to talk. Step die say step step
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: down in the way to scrambled