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6-05-26 Hour 1 - Carolina ties up the series 1-1/Courtland Sutton defends TE room/Trade for Dylan Larkin? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: So the Canes tied up yesterday with a Seth Jarvis
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  Speaker 2: power play goal in ot But the one thing I
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  Speaker 2: can't stop thinking of is Braden McNabb's nose being crooked
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  Speaker 2: for the rest of his life now.
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  Speaker 3: Because that looked terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I we're just talking about this, Whether it's a puck
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  Speaker 2: like that right off the beak or taking like one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and two mon our fastball to the teeth, it's
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  Speaker 2: gotta be a top I don't know whatever. Most terrifying
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  Speaker 2: moment in sports when you see how tough hockey players
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  Speaker 2: aren't most Did you see the zoomed in slow motion
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  Speaker 2: footage of that hit McNab right in the mouth or nose?
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  Speaker 2: I should say I did the horror on his face
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  Speaker 2: when he knows what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: There's only a puck to the face that can do
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  Speaker 3: that to a hockey player. That's it. It's the only
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  Speaker 3: thing that makes a face do what his face did
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  Speaker 3: last night.
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  Speaker 4: You can't get out of the way you simply, there's
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  Speaker 4: you have to take it. I don't know what it'd
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  Speaker 4: be like being on the front stretch of the eighty
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  Speaker 4: five hundred as the cars were coming down the front
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  Speaker 4: freet You get, you got nowhere to go. Yeah, lamb,
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna get. You're gonna You're gonna eat it.
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  Speaker 5: It's a Mike Tyson right without a glove.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 5: It's a Mike Tyson haymaker, a Mike Tyson right to
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  Speaker 5: the nose without a glove.
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  Speaker 2: I had one ninety two miles an hour that I
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  Speaker 2: took off the helmet, the bill of the helmet, my
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  Speaker 2: helmet flew back and hit the backstop, missed me entirely,
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  Speaker 2: thank God. But I can tell you it's one of
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  Speaker 2: the moments in life. You can recount the milliseconds of
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  Speaker 2: it because it moves in slow motion, because you have
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  Speaker 2: a million thoughts in your head about how bad is
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  Speaker 2: this gonna hurt? Is my face gonna look the same,
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  Speaker 2: like all of those things are going.
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  Speaker 3: Through your head.
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  Speaker 5: Can I ask you a serious question? So you took
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  Speaker 5: ninety two miles an hour off the head, but it
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  Speaker 5: didn't hurt you because the helmet took the brunt of it, right, correct,
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  Speaker 5: So Gaul, how how do you get back in the box.
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  Speaker 2: I got to base hit up the middle of my
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  Speaker 2: next at bat, and I'll tell you, vic, I was
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  Speaker 2: shaking in the batter's box, and I think I swung
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  Speaker 2: with my eyes closed.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to. I swung first pitch. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I just want to be out of here.
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  Speaker 5: I would have been done. I don't know how you.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how you climb back in there without
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  Speaker 5: thinking about that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm not some macho guy. I got back in
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  Speaker 2: the box. I was horrified, and I just I swung
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  Speaker 2: first pitch. I was like, I went out of here
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  Speaker 2: as soon as possible, and I just got lucky. But
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  Speaker 2: it is crazy now. I thought Vegas was gonna do
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  Speaker 2: the Vegas thing last night. Everything was set up again
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  Speaker 2: for them to like, oh late score, tie the game up,
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  Speaker 2: team of God like that that sort of thing. Thank
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  Speaker 2: god the Carolina one, because I couldn't stomach another one
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  Speaker 2: of those.
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  Speaker 3: The game started most.
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  Speaker 2: With another hail Mary pass that Howden finishes on, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I couldn't help but just think, is this destiny?
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  Speaker 2: Is this just what's happening? The team that was twenty
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  Speaker 2: first in the league and wins this year is going
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  Speaker 2: to be doing this.
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  Speaker 4: That's how hockey goes. Yeah, the Vegas Golden Knights won
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  Speaker 4: thirty nine games. They were twenty first in the National
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  Speaker 4: Hockey League. Teams with more wins or equal wins with
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  Speaker 4: them did not even make the postseason. But sometimes you
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  Speaker 4: just catch lightning in a bottle. Sometimes you just when
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  Speaker 4: I saw Marnarth Ugh.
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  Speaker 3: I was just on F word control today again.
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  Speaker 4: Vic, come only, I openly shouted f in my house.
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  Speaker 4: One of the dogs went cowering, like, yeah, I uh,
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe Marner. Marner with his back turned up
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  Speaker 4: the up the ice, throws up backhanded hail mary. That
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  Speaker 4: there's don't get me wrong, there's some skill to it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you gotta be able to lift the puck
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  Speaker 4: with your backhand. Good play, yah, you know, lifted seventy
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  Speaker 4: five feet in the air and have it drop right
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  Speaker 4: inside the blue line while your guy is on side.
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  Speaker 4: The timing of it is pretty amazing. But dude, I
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  Speaker 4: mean that those are home run hail mary's once in
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  Speaker 4: a lifetime, and now we've.
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  Speaker 2: Seen twice and twice in a week and a half.
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  Speaker 4: And Marner did it with the backhand. Listen, Marner is
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  Speaker 4: an incredibly gifted player, He's a star. But even the
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  Speaker 4: best guys on the planet, how do you literally how
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  Speaker 4: do you flip that out of your own zone like that? Backhanded?
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  Speaker 4: It butterflies end over and and it doesn't bounce on
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  Speaker 4: edge and go into the corner. It lands flat? So
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  Speaker 4: howd you can skate right into I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 4: you know what the most I mean, come on, bro,
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  Speaker 4: give the Canes grow.
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  Speaker 5: They ate all that mysticism and witchcraft that Vegas employed
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  Speaker 5: to take a to nothing lead, and they rallied late
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  Speaker 5: like a feverish team that was hungry to stay alive,
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  Speaker 5: and they made it happen. And my goodness, was that
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  Speaker 5: third period magic?
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  Speaker 3: Well you know, whatsow crazy?
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  Speaker 2: I just had this argument yesterday with somebody, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand people that are wired like this.
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  Speaker 3: It makes no.
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  Speaker 2: Sense to me, the people that seem to take some
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  Speaker 2: sort of solace in the idea because this happened to
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  Speaker 2: the Nuggets repeatedly, not this year. But you want the
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  Speaker 2: team that beats you, the team that beats you win
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  Speaker 2: the titles.
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  Speaker 3: I just I have no identification with those people.
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  Speaker 2: I want the team to beat me, to suffer the
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  Speaker 2: most miserable, awful, terrible loss that they've ever suffered in
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  Speaker 2: the history of their lives.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I want. And I take nothing away from well,
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  Speaker 3: the best team, the team that won the title was
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  Speaker 3: the one that beat you.
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  Speaker 4: Who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Why do I care who wins at the end of it?
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  Speaker 2: If my team's eliminated, if you beat me, I want
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  Speaker 2: you to suffer an immense amount of emotional distress.
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  Speaker 4: I would call Lee Blair right now, Vick. I would
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  Speaker 4: call Lee for emotional support. But I don't think we
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  Speaker 4: need it. I think my word should be sufficient. Have
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  Speaker 4: whoever said that? Who said that to you? Do I
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  Speaker 4: know them? No? A right? Well, whoever this dull bag is,
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  Speaker 4: you've seen this, so you've seen people have said it
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  Speaker 4: a million times. But you tell them to go and
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  Speaker 4: sit in the stands in Vegas one time, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: see if they have the same sentiments because I don't.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I got some caught wind of some
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  Speaker 5: other stuff that the Vegas franchise pulled during the AVS series.
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  Speaker 5: I am not at liberty to say what they did,
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  Speaker 5: but it's it's downright, but what's the word greedy? Selfish?
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  Speaker 5: Crosses the line?
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  Speaker 3: Can you hint at something like finial?
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  Speaker 4: Are you talking about the ICE's financially related?
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  Speaker 5: No, it's financially what they did in that series borderline.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know the reputation they have in the league,
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  Speaker 5: that mosure you told us before the series, the reputation
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  Speaker 5: of being, you know, the rebel of the league, the Raiders.
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  Speaker 5: Remember how the Raiders had that rep for so many
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  Speaker 5: years in the National Football League. They have the same rep.
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  Speaker 5: It's totally warranted. After I heard this after the stunt
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  Speaker 5: they pulled.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like when you say stuff like this, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 5: I know, but I promised I could. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 5: I just I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you, well, you can't.
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  Speaker 3: We can't even code it somehow.
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  Speaker 4: I can't. I can't.
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  Speaker 5: I can just tell you they did something that in
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  Speaker 5: the sport, it's just not common practice. It's like, wait,
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  Speaker 5: what you did?
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  Speaker 4: What The Avs have the ice at a certain time,
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  Speaker 4: certain time, and.
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  Speaker 3: Vegas pushes that time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, they would skate their team at the practice facility,
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  Speaker 4: but for their time at the big rink, they'd send
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  Speaker 4: their Black aces over with their backup goalies, and they'd
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  Speaker 4: be like four guys on the ice all the way
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  Speaker 4: up until.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get what, so what they couldn't clean the
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  Speaker 2: ice or what are you trying to say?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, the rest of the team is someplace else,
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  Speaker 4: and the guys who aren't playing and just.
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  Speaker 5: To occupy the ice.
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  Speaker 4: Out there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Texa says, you sound bitter about Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: You're damn right, damn right, I am.
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  Speaker 6: So what.
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  Speaker 2: I can't be bitter about things about the way my
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  Speaker 2: team season ended.
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  Speaker 3: I can be bitter. It's a human emotion.
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  Speaker 2: Like, all I'm saying is I can't identify with anyone
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  Speaker 2: who has the mindset of I need to root for
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  Speaker 2: the team that just beat me. And you know what's funny,
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  Speaker 2: Me and Nelly were talking about this in the appetizer.
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  Speaker 2: It would be different, Moses. Maybe if they were playing
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  Speaker 2: the Wings in the finals, right, or they were playing
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  Speaker 2: against Boston or somebody like that, you'd maybe have some
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  Speaker 2: conflicting idea of who you'd want to win. Carolina feels
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  Speaker 2: like the most inoffensive team in the league. I don't
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  Speaker 2: like them, I don't hate them. There's nobody that I
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  Speaker 2: super dislike on their team. Brenda Moore seems fine, And
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  Speaker 2: then I realized every professional team that resides in the
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  Speaker 2: Carolinas is like that. I don't feel anything towards the Anthers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel anything towards the Hornets, like it's the
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  Speaker 2: most inoffensive.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you. I the Charlotte Hornets
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  Speaker 4: outside ball, may be the most anonymous team in pros.
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  Speaker 5: Well, their announcer, their announcers pretty popular.
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  Speaker 4: He's that guy that goes crazy. Yeah, but they are
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  Speaker 4: that team, that team. Think of all the pro sports,
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  Speaker 4: is there a more anonymous team, more anonymous team than
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  Speaker 4: the Charlotte Hornets.
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  Speaker 3: But most people, I mean, they're all of them, all
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 2: College is different because they got Duke in North Carolina
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  Speaker 2: and that can disperse some emotion. As far as professional
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  Speaker 2: sports franchises the Carolinas, do they have a single team
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  Speaker 2: professionally that you're like, I feel strongly one way or
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  Speaker 2: the other about, Well, they only.
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  Speaker 4: Have three I know. Well that's so, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I name another state or region of the country with
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  Speaker 2: three teams that you have no feelings towards. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: hard to Maybe the Panthers would be different if like
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos lost to them in the Super Bowl, but
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  Speaker 2: you almost kind of pity them because of what happened
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  Speaker 2: in the franchise after that Super Bowl and what von
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  Speaker 2: Miller did, like all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: He ruined Cam Newton is what he did. He ruined him. Yes, Vic,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Power play that led to the go ahead goal. I
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  Speaker 5: need to walk through it because it's one of those
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  Speaker 5: weird plays where it's a judgment called by the referee
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  Speaker 5: and when he blows the whistle, intend to blow the
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  Speaker 5: whistle correct puck in the crease. I have to be
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  Speaker 5: honest with you. If I'm an av Sayan and I
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  Speaker 5: get that called against me, no goal.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be mad. Well, you have to go back, Vic,
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  Speaker 4: this is where the president is set. You have to
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  Speaker 4: go back to what the original call on the ice was.
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  Speaker 5: Explain what happened for those who may not have watched.
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  Speaker 4: Hurdle comes in and he gets there's a save by Anderson,
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  Speaker 4: grabs the puck, a wrap around try. Anderson makes one save.
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  Speaker 4: It's a two to two game, by the way, that's correct.
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  Speaker 4: Then he makes another save. Hurdle sort of fans on
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  Speaker 4: the puck after the paddle is out there, Anderson with
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  Speaker 4: his with his glove hands scoops the puck underneath his
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  Speaker 4: tummy and he's laying on top of it, and there's
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  Speaker 4: bodies around and door Fiev comes in and jams it
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  Speaker 4: out from underneath him and it crosses the line. So
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  Speaker 4: the puck is underneath his tummy. Right, yeah, secured, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the the puck disappeared. The referee has no side of
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  Speaker 4: the puck, right one one thousand and two. Then comes
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  Speaker 4: the stick in underneath his tummy and he pool cues
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  Speaker 4: it out from underneath the tummy and it squirts across
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  Speaker 4: the line. Off and the.
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  Speaker 5: Whistle's blown after it squirts across the line.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, I mean, I guess it is. It's but but
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  Speaker 4: the referee right there is like, I have this. There's
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  Speaker 4: no goal all day all night. You know, he's on
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  Speaker 4: top of the mother truck and puck all day all night.
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  Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no. Now whether he physically blew
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  Speaker 4: the whistle after the puck was on the line across
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  Speaker 4: he in his brain, vict I mean, from the get go,
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  Speaker 4: he's like no, no, no, no, no no no no
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  Speaker 4: no no no no, no, no no, no, what's that? Song.
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  Speaker 3: No no no no no no no no.
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  Speaker 4: No no no no.
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  Speaker 5: Why why did Tortorella challenge it?
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  Speaker 4: Then? Well, because the only thing they can really use
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  Speaker 4: is goalie interference or intentable. I mean they used goalie interference.
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  Speaker 6: What for.
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  Speaker 4: He's on top of the puck and you pulled cut
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  Speaker 4: it out from underneath him, right, you moved to whatever? Vic,
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  Speaker 4: This is where you get to a gray area. Even
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  Speaker 4: Dave Jackson yesterday explained this is a bit of intent
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  Speaker 4: and gray area. But the referee is like no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: no no.
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  Speaker 3: So this is sort of the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: So why did they challenge I? First of all, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe they're doing this. Second of all, it
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  Speaker 4: seemed incredibly Yeah that is that is? That? Is that
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  Speaker 4: a good goal?
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  Speaker 5: It's a very risky challenge with less than five minutes
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  Speaker 5: to play in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now you know what I thought, though, Vick, what
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  Speaker 2: I thought.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't believe he was doing it, But I thought
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  Speaker 4: in my head, I'm like, damn, that's cocky. That's cocky. Sure,
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  Speaker 4: five minutes to go in a Cup final game, in
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  Speaker 4: a tie game, and you're gonna challenge that. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 4: your team has been playing pretty damn well all game long.
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  Speaker 3: So you're seeing the timing of this though.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like the opposite of refs with delay game calls,
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  Speaker 2: Like you're saying, he didn't blow the whistle yet, but
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  Speaker 2: he called it off right away.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And in the NFL, how many times do you see
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  Speaker 2: the clock the play clock hit zero and they snap
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  Speaker 2: it like a half second later. But it's like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: the ref's gotta look at the ball and then look
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  Speaker 2: at the clock and look back at the ball and
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  Speaker 2: that's a half second.
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  Speaker 5: So blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is, Vic this is one
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  Speaker 4: of those ones where whatever the call on the ice
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  Speaker 4: is is probably ninety percent of the time, it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: stand up. It's gonna stand tall. And that's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Carolina ties it up. It's a one to one series.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Now, if you guys want to hear another series, guess
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: what what. The Eagles in Chicago Wolves Game five and
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  Speaker 2: their two to two tide series is gonna be right
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  Speaker 2: here on ninety two five tonight at six o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: That's a hell of a battle going on right now.
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  Speaker 4: The Wolves are playing well, Eagles are playing well, it's
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  Speaker 4: a hell of a battle.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: She'll both have that and Game six on Sunday at
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: six o'clock as well. There was a quote yesterday, unprompted
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  Speaker 2: by the way Cortland Sutton was asked a question about
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Jalen Model and he turned that into stop bashing my
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: tight ends.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to it next, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm trying to figure out if you guys remember
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  Speaker 2: years ago, do you remember when von Miller said about
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  Speaker 2: Drew Locke that he threw one of the best incompletions
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  Speaker 2: he's ever seen in training camp? Here, I do, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I do, Yes, I do, And whenever Vaughn said something
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  Speaker 2: like that, it's just you know what, Vaughn's always going
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  Speaker 2: to defend his guys.
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  Speaker 3: He's always gonna say.
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  Speaker 4: I thought Trevor Simmon was the second coming of Peyton Manning.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he basically propped up Vic every guy around him,
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  Speaker 4: which I think is a team leader. You know what
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  Speaker 4: team captain should be, should be positive about his guys.
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  Speaker 4: But I thought, you know, I'm seeing through this a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, von'd right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'm trying to figure out this quote from Courtland
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  Speaker 2: Sutton yesterday, if this is a guy defending his teammates
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  Speaker 2: or is this something that he truly believes is fans
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  Speaker 2: and media are evaluating this incorrectly. And so he was
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: asked a question about playing with Jaalen Wodel because they're
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: on the field together and doing all the drills wide
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  Speaker 2: receiver room revamped with Jayleen Waddel in it, and unprompted,
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  Speaker 2: he turns that.
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  Speaker 6: To this, I think that we're all we're all being
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  Speaker 6: able to do our thing, and then, you know, can't
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  Speaker 6: leave out this group. The tight ends look really good.
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  Speaker 6: You know, trout looks really well, really good. I don't
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  Speaker 6: like the bashing of our tight end room. I'm going
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: to say that publicly. I think we have great tight ends.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: I think that they do their job really really well.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: I think that they they do what's asked them to
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: a high level. And I think that they have looked really,
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: really good so far through OTA's Trout f Lucas. Getting
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: those guys going is really big. And I think that
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: when every piece of our offense is able to contribute
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: to the game, that's where our offense is going to
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: grow and going to be able to contribute to our games.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: And I think that everyone looks really really good so far.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: So first question I have is that a guy defending
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: his guys or is that a guy who believes the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: evaluation is wrong of that position group.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: I think the way he defined it was, Hey, they're
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: doing what they're asked to do. Is exactly what he's said,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: and maybe they're not asked to do enough. I was
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: at practice yesterday and I watched exactly how they operated
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: the offense. I noticed a couple of things that were different.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: They were a little more higher paced, the pacing was
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: different than normal.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: They're like, go, go.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Go, and man did they feature Evan Ingram. They spread
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Evan Ingram all over that field. He was split wide
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: and on several occasions outside of that normal tight end role,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: and they made sure that we all saw Evan Ingram
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: get a lot of play. So maybe it's a different
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: deal this year with Davis web calling the shots.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Nolly, can you play that one more time because I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: want to address what Vick pointed out there from Courtland
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Sutton go ahead.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: I think they were all we're all being able to
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: do our thing, and then you know, can't can't leave
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: out this group. The tight ends looked really good, you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Trout looks really well, really good. I don't like the
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: bashing of our tight end room. I'm gonna say that publicly.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: I think we have great tight ends. I think that
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: they do their job really really well. I think that
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: they they do what's asked of them to a high level.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Stott, I think that they do what's
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: asked of them at a high level. Maybe that's just
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it Vic, because we asked the question. There's been a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: couple of these with Sean Payton and his offenses before
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: about Hey, it is the running game not working because
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: there's a lack of commitment? Or is it because the
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: guys that are running backs aren't good enough? Like we
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: asked that for years. Yeah, maybe Sean Payton just didn't
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: have an interest in featuring a tight end and that
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: was part of it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: And look, I'll tell you one set.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: That's pretty glaring that I just looked up from last
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: year in regards to Evan Ingram, tight ends.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Are typically reserved for two different kind of roles.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be really big in the red zone
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: because you're a big body, you can handle some physicality,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, and you're you're big on third down
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: because you can park yourself in the middle of the field,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: grab a third and six catch, pick up the or
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: move the chains and pick up a first down on
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: fifty catches last year, do you know any first downs
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Evan Ingram had.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: It's only nineteen. That seems like a weird number to me.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And perhaps going to Davis Webb and what you mentioned
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: yesterday Vic of him being sort of split out everywhere
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and featured everywhere within the the that portion of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: offense that you watched, maybe Davis Webb is going to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: make a bigger commitment to getting the tight end involved.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Now make note, I need to say this, it's
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: not real football what we witnessed yesterday's staged. They're just
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: going over plays. Nobody's rushing the quarterback, there are no pads,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: but the tempo was increased. It looked different, it felt different.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I think they went out of the way, out of
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: their way to make sure it looked different to us.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So I'm eager to see exactly how they use these guys.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: I really am. By the way, Jalen Waddle is small
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: height wise than Marvin Mims. He's smaller, but my god,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: he moves in places I haven't seen people move. Yeah,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: he has some wiggle to him when he sets people,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: when he sets a defensive backup.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Good Night explosion.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: It's just he's just different.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: He's just different the way he operates, the way he
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: sets up the dB to get open. So they went
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: from only big receivers, right, only big guys. That's all
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: they ever wanted to. Wow, this guy's tiny.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you get him in the open field.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Good night, goodbye, have a good one.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I think mos.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Here's what didn't help things from a tight end perspective,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and to calm people's nerves about it, the tight ends
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: just weren't great last year for whatever reason. Maybe they
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: weren't good enough, maybe they weren't featured enough.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know. You you choose, there's probably there's probably
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a meat him in there somewhere, happy medium as to
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: why they were not as effective as preps you want
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: them to be or they could be.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I just think that for top tier offenses in this league,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: almost all of them have a tight end that is
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: featured in their offense that they make into a weapon.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Somehow, Someway and the Broncos didn't have that last year.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, the typical sort of thing about tight
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: ends is that if you have a really good one,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: well he's too big for a corner to cover and
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: he's too fast for a linebacker to cover.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: That's sort of the story in the case of what
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the Broncos have.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: They have Evan Ingram, who is not big, he's kind
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of the size of a wide out, but he is fast.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And then you have Troutman, who is big but it's
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: not fast at all, and you don't really have a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: guy that can do both.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: But what I think is interesting about this is.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: For all the teams that need tight end production for
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: their offense to go, I think the Broncos can find
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: some of that. The issue is, you were so disappointed
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: last year, and the first move they made from a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: tight end perspective this offseason was.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: What they drafted two of them.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: No, first, they gave Troutman three years and seventeen million
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: dollars and you're like, seventeen million, then what Then they
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: drafted a guy in the fifth and seventh round. But
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: do you guys remember the quote from Troutman by the
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: way after he signed.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: That excepension, basically, screw you.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I'm an all around tight end and this contract shows it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I'm one of the best blockers in the entire league,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: regardless of what pro football folks thinking. He's basically, I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: don't care what they say, and no other player does either.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: He's like, I got I got the bag that I wanted,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: so up yours is basically what it is, and I
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: like that. I have absolutely no problem with Adam Troutman
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: defending his abilities. I like the confidence. Hey, I guess,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: but Vic, my thought real quick is this is that
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: you don't have the all around guy, you know. I mean,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: listen to brock Hours of the world and the George
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Kittles of the world. Those are hard to find, very
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: hard to find. And one thing I do know, if
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you're satisfied with your tight end room, you don't have
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: seven of them in there right now.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, no offense to any of the guys,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: because I think Cortland Sutton is probably right with what
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: they're asked to do. They do a good job, but
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: you don't. Why would you have it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: It's like if the Nuggets had eight centers in camp.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: It's exactly right. Can't means you clearly you're you're hoping
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: you're to shake them up in the Yachtzi Cup and
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: that God sorts them out. I mean, no offense. And
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: maybe they just like this guy and they like that guy,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: but they're clearly looking for something, and that's all. That's all.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: So it's hard to ascertain anything from again, an Ota,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: it's not real football. All you could do is make
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: observation about who's there, maybe how they look physically, but
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: real football doesn't take place until hitting takes place. Okay,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: I will, I will live and die by that. You're
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: not gonna get me to sit here and tell you
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: how a certain player looked. Outside of Jaylen Waddle's wiggle,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna give you anything about how.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: They looked, Jonah Coleman's legs, how those look.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Every running back looks the same, all small, all my size, yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: with much more girth, but all my height, short kings unite.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: The Broncos running back group is all short kings, every single.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: One of them.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Sean Payton likes his running back short and his wide
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: receiver six foot five.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: But beyond that, I'm not gonna tell you they're good
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: or bad because we don't know. Are you kidding me?
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: If anybody goes on the radio today to evaluate a
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: running back in OTAs they're spewing crap, you can't.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: And by the way, Vic, with the tight ends, the
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: running backs everything right now as we sit here on
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: June fifth, it's such speculation. Look, I don't want to
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: be this guy. I don't want to be the guy
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: that says, well, I'll tell you what everybody Monday, September
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: fourteenth at Arrowhead in Kansas City, we're gonna find out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: But that's the God's honest truth. Now. I'm gonna talk
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Broncos football with you all summer long. I'm gonna be
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: a training camp with both of you guys all summer long.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be there looking, sniffing, watching, tasting, touching. I'm
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: gonna be doing all of that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Getting stung by insects that was Burton Olim, eating donuts,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: hammering donut holes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: That I will be doing perhaps although I'm look at
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: me now, good on now what my observation that being said? Though, Vic,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: that's the God's honest truth. You really don't know until
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: you get there, Bro, you don't.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: One of my observations from watching practice yesterday is this,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: And I'm just gonna make observations that I have answers
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: to because a lot of them are unanswerable. The Broncos
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: wore undershirts that had the inscription the initials g t D.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: What do you think g t D stands for.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Get the the division g t D.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Anyone grab the grab the get the grab the.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Give me, give me your guests, grip.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: The g t D.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Well? Do you know? I don't know. Do you know
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the answer, Yes, I know the answer.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: I'm asking you if you know what it is.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I've worked, I threw out a couple of seats. How
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: would I know?
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Go the distance?
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Oh? For christ.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Because they fell short. They fell short, go the distance?
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: And I couldn't help but watch.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: You know every time there was a run play, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: it's the run play that went for more than three yards.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I kept looking over to people saying, God, they could
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: have used that in the fourth quarter the AFC Championship,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: a run play that gained yardage, positive yardage.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: I can't help but think.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: I sat there watching practice and I found myself right
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: at the thirty about thirty four yard line, thirty three
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: yard line, and I said, you know what, this is
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: where they were positioned last year on New England side
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: of the field with a fresh set of downs and
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: a chance to take the lead down by three.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, I got it. There are three things,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: three things that the voice in the corn said. What
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: are the three things the voice in the corn said, Vic.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about Broncos football right now.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I understand that. I'm just saying you're you're the one
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: who brought up GTA about Broncos football. Understood. I honestly
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: think the second thing that the voice in the corn
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: and said might be better than GTD, which is he
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: is his pain. Ease his pain. Yeah, I'm talking. I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: talking about Bonix's ankle. Ease his pain.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: He was on the sideline watching.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I bet so.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Do you think the the moncle, the distance, the monikers
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: and mottos that teams have before the season, do they matter? Well,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: it's not. Do they matter? I suppose Do you think that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Guys actually take it seriously? Or is this just We're
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: back at camp so I'm gonna have a little thing
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that I do. It's like, are they gonna be in
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Week nine? Still saying go the distance? A lot stuff
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: motivate people.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Wear an undershirt with the model with the inscription ms
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: U for our show. I wear it every day. I
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: wear it on my hat, I wear it everywhere. You
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: have like a little tattoo on my rest and my wrists.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I walk around with it ms U, MSU, MSU.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I have one that says gf Y m s U.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Moser, shut up, ms U. How would something's going to
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: make this a better Segon Moser shut up? Gf Y
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Now mos your your shirt probably says l I D right.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: L I D.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is true gt D. That's game
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: time decision.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let's go the distance for the Broncos. But
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: you know what, you could say whatever you want if
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: you had to replay the AFC title game. It really
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: doesn't matter because you don't have your starting quarterback out there,
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: and it felt like that game was lost when he lost.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: He was lost in the previous game. So go the distance.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Can mean a lot of things to a lot of
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: different people, but at the end of the day, stay healthy.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah three h three five four nine two Mozda text
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: line Yes.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: GFY MSU, rhinoceros THERESU.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of rumors going around the NHL already
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the season hasn't ended yet still game three of the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Stanley Cup Final, and you can hear every game of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup Final right here on ninety two five.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But somebody requested the trade yesterday in the NHL.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Big name, Big name?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Do you think, moj We'll get to this in more
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: detail in a second. Do you have any Dylan Larkin
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: interest at all?
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Do I do you? Well? I think if you were
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: a team in the National Hockey League and you didn't
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: have interest in Dylan Lark and then you're probably dead.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, get to this in just a couple of minutes,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: because there is something.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I just look.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: You can make some one to ones on some deals,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: and I want to see if you can put the
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: puzzle pieces together.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Next, the Broncos wore undershirts that had the inscription the
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: initials g t D. What do you think gt D
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: stands for get the get the division gt D, Give me,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: give me your guests, grip the.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: G t D. What is it?
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Go the distance?
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Oh, for christ, I will find my way.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: I can go the distance.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: You know. I want to have a happy hot What
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: is this? What do you mean? What is this? This
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: is Hercules? He's gonna go the distance. Oh gotcha? Okay,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I knew it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm I'm having to watch all these kids movies again.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I was just trying to prepare myself for which one
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: this is. I don't think Hercules is in baby Jamal
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Cale's future though.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: So I've seen Field of Dreams VIC probably twenty times.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I love that movie. Love that movie. James Earl Jones.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I I love his character in that movie. That being
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: said go the distance? Did he mean drive to Fenway
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Park and eat the dog with James Earl Jones? Is
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: that going the distance or just take it all the way, dude, Like, uh,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: just build the friggin field, you know, get the farmers
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: almost in for closure. Go the distance? Bro? What what
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: was he really referring to the voice.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I would assume building the field, Yeah, finish the job.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: But he also left Iowa bro and his little Volkswagen
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: van in his bus and he drove all the way
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: to Boston to meet up with James Earl Jones.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Speaking of going the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Terrence Man The Boat Rocker by Terrence Mann.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Dylan Larkin wants out of Detroit. He's been there, you
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: know what's crazy emotion his first year and he was
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: seen as somebody who might be some sort of phenom
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: coming into the league. Now, good player. I don't think
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: he's lived up to that sort of status.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: He's a very good player.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: His first year though in the league was when I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: was doing radio and Grand Rapids, so it's like pumped
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: about this new prospect in Detroit and all these different things.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Very good player. That was twenty sixteen. He's been in
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the league for ten years.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: It was twenty fifteen, correct, fifteen. You're right.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: He's been in the league for a decade, and Detroit
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: looked like maybe a couple of years ago they were
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: building something and then they kind of just completely pittered
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: out at the end of the year.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: So he has now requested a trade. Reportedly he wants
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: to win.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Another name that people have thrown out there as far
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: as an AVS guy that maybe hasn't lived up to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: his side of the bargain, especially in the postseason.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Is who tell you about Brock? Yeah, well then say it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just seeing if you're gonna be on the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: safe wavelength as may That's all when we talk about
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: changes that could come this offseason.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be some.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be drastic, But at this point,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: most is the priority For a team like the Avalanche.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: You don't need another regular season smasher. You need somebody
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: in the postseason that's gonna produce. And Dylan Markin's unproven.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: But would this be something where you're like, maybe youre
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: try and do some sort of swap like that to
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: get some new blood in here or somebody.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: In the offseason where every time there's a name that
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: comes up, hey, would this person look good? And well,
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: think about it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: You're in a position where this guy is leaving because
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: he wants to win.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: I get it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: So it's like, if he wants to leave and go somewhere,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: it would be a team like the Avs, wouldn't it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: He's got a full note trade so he can decide
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: where he wants to go.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: His skating ability certainly fits in with what the Avs do.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: He's a good skater. He's the problem with and i'd
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: say a problem. The issue with Dylan Larkin in the
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Red Wings is he's never really been in today's grand
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: scheme of things. Can you win without a true number
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: one center? Well, I mean I think right now, the
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Carolina Hurricanes are showing that you can, at least so far, right,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: they're one to one. Vegas has one and two. Jack Eikeel, Yeah,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: I mean you look at McKinnon, McDavid, ike, I mean
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: you look at all the top Austin Matthews, all the
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: big time number number ones in the league. Well, I mean,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: those don't just grow on trees. So you've got to
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: try to put a guy as a number one when
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: it comes right down to it. Is Dylan Larkin a
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: number one? Well for the Red Wings he has been,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: but if you throw them on the Avs, that ain't
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: the case, right, you throw them on a number of teams.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: He's not the number one center. Yeah, So you're like
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: you're alluding to right now, you're looking at it two, correct,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: that's what you're looking at. And he's never really performed
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: like a true big one. He's never had an eighty
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: point season in his career, yep. But he can score goals,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: he's relatively thick, he's got great wheels still, and he's
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: still in his twenties at this point, late late end
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: of his twenties, but he's still there. And he's a
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: guy that if he becomes available if he wants a trade,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: and seemingly now he's going to waive his no trade
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: to go someplace, then a lot of teams will be
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: inquiring about his availability.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Now, is age at seven pers too steep? You think
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: how big?
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: How big is he? Uh? Six one two ozh five ish?
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Probably right around there somewhere. I mean, he's not a
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: he's not a skinny guy. He's not a he's not
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: like NuGen Hopkins or a guy like that. He's a
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: he's a relatively thickish dude. Yeah, No, I mean two
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: twenty would be thick. Six one two twenty would be thick.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I mean in his contract of eight point seven, maybe
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that's not And.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: To know in today's day and age Brett with with
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a cap going up, well for many many teams, that
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: is palatable.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: What I wanted to say was, it's only one point
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: seven above with Brocks making off his extension, correct, So
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: that's not even that much of you know, a huge
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: jump that you would make because we all know that
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the ABS are pretty limited cap space wise, they don't
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: have a lot of room to work with.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: But that's one that you could make work.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: He's a guy that I'm sure every team in the
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: league will call about in some capacity. Now, some teams,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: like let's say you're Chris McFarland now on the Nashville Predators,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: he would be their one See yeah, okay, here, he
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be In a number of teams, he would not
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: be the one seed, he'd be the two s And
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: so therefore you say he becomes a luxury to have
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: to have d Larkin is a two seed.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Well he look the if his priority is to be
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a one se somewhere, he's not doing that on a
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: team that's competing for account Well, he.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Already is one. I'm just saying, well, I'm I mean
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: the Carolina Hurricanes are doing it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Most likely, actually most likely, it's not gonna be a
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: team that's contending for a cup. So as he had
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a point in his career, like you said it, most
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: he got in the league in twenty fifteen. Guess somebody
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: playoff games he's played in his career.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know five, yeah, couples, he played.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: One series, one series in over ten years. I mean,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I think he's looking to have a shot.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: To win something somewhere. So I'm just saying, like, look,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Dick's right, this is the point in the offseason.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: But when you talk about changes that the APS are
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: going to make, I wouldn't assume it's going to be
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: anything small if they do do it.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: And by the way, I don't want I don't want
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: people to get on my bacon and bury me because
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not calling Sebastianajo a one sea. He is a
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: one sea. But but centers of the National Hockey League
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: like quarterbacks of the National Football League, you have your elites.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: And Alho's a very very good player, don't get me wrong,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: but he ain't a Matthew seeing mc and then he
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: ain't a mcpickoles. He ain't. He ain't that right, He's
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: not at that level. Right, But he and copatar one
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: see in La Forever, two time Stanley Cup champion, excellent defensively,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: all around terrific center. Was never one hundred point guy,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: that's not I mean that. But you they won with him,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: They won with that, So I think.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: They're lesson learned. Here is I don't care how many
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: great players you have. I care how great they play
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: in key situations.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing. Well, and the reason I ask it,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Vic is the reason people want to move off from
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: brock Nelson.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Is because brock Nelson hasn't performed in the postseason. He's
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: given you regular season stuff. He's been good in the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: regular season. The thing with Dylan Markin is good player.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I bring up the fact that in over a decade
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: he's played five playoff games. You have no idea what
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: he's like in that department.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Is he a playoff rise Yeah it is.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: I can tell you I know the playoff risers I've
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: seen on this team. Logan O'Connor is a playoff riser.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Yep, would you agree most I would agree.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: I want playoff risers.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: What would you put?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I don't care how great you are, how great are
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: you in key situations?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny is that I've heard moser.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: You're looking at me quizzically.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: No. But but when you say that, I can think
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: of just one guy right now. I mean mark Stone
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: is a playoff riser. I mean I got a my
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: buddy Gideon.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: And mark Stone only plays in the playoffs. He goes,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: he goes.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: He sends me a text last night nine to twelve pm.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: This is after the game time goal, before the game
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: winning goal. Yeah, he goes mark Stone spends eleven months
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: of the year walking around like the fing ten man,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: and then we get this every fing year. I know.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, well that's he's a playoff riser, That's
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: what I mean. He he's actually a playoffs only type
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: of guy, kind of. I mean, he is now in
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: his thirties. But you know, look, I don't know what
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: can brings like an understand the when a guy.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Who else is like that Alex Caruso, Yeah he is,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Alex is a playoffs not this time.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I know you don't like him.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: He was garbage in that game seven.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: He was junk. Yes, it's the it's the Marissa Tomey
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: my cousin Vinny biological clock, right, it starts it's taking
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: like this. So these guys get to the almost the
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: age of thirty and all of a sudden their hockey
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: mortality really starts to come to play.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: And he's he's a local kid too, He's from Michigan
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: like this. He probably dreamed of playing for the Wings girls.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he did. But it's one of those you
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: get to the age of thirty, when's his birthday? Somebody
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: find out Dyln Lorkin's birthday. I don't know what it is.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: But you get to the age of thirty and all
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, you're like, damn, I'm running out of time.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: My life's run a lifespan July thirtieth, so he'll be
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: thirty years old in July thirtieth. There you go, So
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be thirty years old when this season begins,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: and we've gone out of time. My life is running
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: out of there. You go, thanks, coach. But you start
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: to you start to feel that a little bit for
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: guys who have not won, and it's it's a forget,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: forget too difficult thing, which is why so many people
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: are talking about Matthews. So many people are talking about
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: mcpickles and what their future holds, because you you start
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: to hit that age and your mortality comes into play.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's to me, it's not even about like
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: haven't won, it's like, haven't even had the opportunity correctly
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: in your career correct And I think for if you're
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: at this stage, you're probably like, I will take a
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: step down in role if it means I get the chance.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Well, right now, the abs are pretty good shapes still,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can never have too much depth up
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: the middle ever, and they've got still tremendous depth up
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: the middle. And again we talk about Brock, you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: those breakaway opportunities and off the iron and a couple
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: of great saves by heart and so on. Man, I
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know that. You're right. I want to see
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: more out of him. You're right, I do. I want
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: to see brought Nelson in a non Olympic year. Just
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: have a regular human season in an av sweater and
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: then let's go. That's me personally, Brett.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: It's just it's tough.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: It's tough moment because let's be honest here, he really
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: had one point the entire postseason. You want to eliminate
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a couplets. It's one point in thirteen games. That's not
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: acceptable for a second line.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: That is correct, but if you start like grasping it,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Dylan Larkins at eight point sevens, I mean does it
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: make a difference. I mean, can he help He can
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: help any team in the National Hockey League big time.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: He's that guy. He's that kind of guy.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: How do you think he played in the Olympics?
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Dylan, Okay, yeah, yeah, fine, I have no problems with
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: that whatsoever. I mean, he he's a he's a very
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: good player. I don't. I mean he's a thirty goal guy.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: He's he's, uh, you know, honestly, though, where is he?
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: He's probably a mid on this team, though on the Avs,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: he's he's gonna be like Cadrey did that. He's gonna
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: break eighty points on this team. He's more than eighty points.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: I can promise you that because he hasn't really had
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: the supporting cast around in his entire career either, because
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: the Wings have been mostly in rebuild notes since he
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: was a rookie.
• 45:15
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• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Adam Schefter is.
• 45:22
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• 45:25
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• 45:28
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