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Taking Things for Grant-ed with Julianna Pasquarosa · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. Today we are here with you
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Speaker 2: bringing you some very very I'm actually Ashley very excited
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Speaker 2: to talk to this person, because we're always excited to
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Speaker 2: talk to somebody new. But there's people that have captivated us,
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Speaker 2: people that I just want to know what they know.
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Speaker 3: That's what that is? This one, I just need to
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Speaker 3: know what she was in her brain.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll get there, but we've had Letia,
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Speaker 2: Carolina and Grant for the most recent season on You
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Speaker 2: can go back and listen to those episodes. I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you they're interesting. All of them are interesting in their
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Speaker 2: own ways, some funny, some off the wall, some serious,
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Speaker 2: and some somewhat confusing. And today it's like we're getting
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Speaker 2: the final piece of this puzzle. Yes, our guest today is,
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Speaker 2: of course the woman that Grant chose lucky. Here we're
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Speaker 2: talking about Juliana. Juliana, welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, guys, Juliana, welcome to the podcast
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Speaker 4: that rose Grant all the time. I'm I'm sure we're
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Speaker 4: not unique in that, and we are sorry. Ben was
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Speaker 4: the one who did the interview with him a couple
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Speaker 4: like about a month ago, and I was, I was,
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Speaker 4: And he was supposed to come on a couple.
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Speaker 3: Of weeks ago, like a week or so ago, and
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Speaker 3: he didn't show. Didn't show, So leave that to your imagination.
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Speaker 3: I think he didn't want to talk to me. I've
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Speaker 3: been hard than.
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Speaker 5: If you can't praise the critics, you can't do baby,
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Speaker 5: gotta take it.
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Juliana, you were on recently with Joe
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Speaker 4: and Serena, and there was a lingering question that I
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Speaker 4: certainly had after that, and that was.
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Speaker 3: What happened with the hotel.
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Speaker 4: Hell fight that you guys had after the final rowse
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Speaker 4: How did it get reconciled?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, I mean I think I think that I
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Speaker 5: probably like didn't provide enough context.
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Speaker 6: I think I was trying to answer a question.
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Speaker 3: And that's why we have you here.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, bit of like a roundabout way without spilling too
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Speaker 5: much tea, but giving some insight as to like when
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Speaker 5: I first started to have doubts. You know, we got
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Speaker 5: through that that argument. It was just like the moment
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Speaker 5: for me was like how is this happening to me?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 5: How did I end up here? This morning I'm feeling alone.
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Speaker 5: You're kind of like creating that space and also making
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Speaker 5: me feel like I wasn't going to be supported. The
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Speaker 5: hotel fight was was really just you know that phrase,
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Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna butcher it. But it's like when
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Speaker 5: you're with somebody to the public, you'll always kind of
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Speaker 5: like pret them and stand up for them, but then
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Speaker 5: behind closed doors you can have those conversations and maybe
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Speaker 5: call them out for things that you need to. I
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Speaker 5: think that's what I was trying to do through a
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Speaker 5: lot of this, and so people, you know, didn't see
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Speaker 5: me holding him accountable or thought that we were ganging
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Speaker 5: up on Latia and creating this narrative, and I think
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Speaker 5: ultimately I was just in a protector mode for him,
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Speaker 5: and then behind closed doors, especially after the finale, and
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Speaker 5: when I was able to watch how he handled it
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Speaker 5: with Latia on stage because I saw the you know,
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Speaker 5: I already saw the final episode before the finale, it
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Speaker 5: was just how he handled it. I think that that's
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Speaker 5: what caused me a lot of frustration, was the lack
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Speaker 5: of accountability from him. I think she was a little
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Speaker 5: harsh if if that's just my opinion, but I think
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Speaker 5: he could have. I think he did the best he could,
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Speaker 5: but I think there was a little bit of lack
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Speaker 5: of accountability there. And then I kind of I kind
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Speaker 5: of came at him a little bit for it, and
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Speaker 5: I was really frustrated, and I was like, well, now
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Speaker 5: we have to do a you know, like we have
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Speaker 5: to carry that forward. And I would love for you
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Speaker 5: to hold yourself a little bit higher in the sense that,
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Speaker 5: you know, admitting where you went wrong and what you
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Speaker 5: said wrong and validating her feelings of feeling led on,
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Speaker 5: you know, and that just wasn't the way things were going.
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Speaker 6: So we were not on the same page.
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Speaker 5: Once the finale kind of aired, and yeah, that was
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Speaker 5: just like one piece of the puzzle.
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Speaker 2: I Ashley, can I can I just have a conversation
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Speaker 2: with Juliana for a second.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just jumped right into it. So let's backtrack
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Speaker 4: or do whatever this is track?
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is just she's reminding me of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody knows what it feels like to
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Speaker 2: lead some on this show, I think I would be
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Speaker 2: the one to say I did it best or worst? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And I mean I can go both ways, right, Like
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Speaker 2: I did, I know I did I mean, that's exactly
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Speaker 2: what I did, and it was unfair to Jojo at
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Speaker 2: the time, but it did cause Lauren a lot of pain,
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Speaker 2: I think because she had to answer questions about it
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Speaker 2: for me, and I think when you are together, I
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Speaker 2: think you just said it. And I think that's what
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Speaker 2: reminded me is in the public you want to support
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Speaker 2: your partner. Behind closed doors, though, you need to hold
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Speaker 2: your partner accountable, and I remember many moments where she
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Speaker 2: would do that and there was a lot of like,
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Speaker 2: it's a weird conversation to have. I'm going off on
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Speaker 2: a tangent here, but you just reminded me of so
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Speaker 2: much during that time. It's a weird conversation to have
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Speaker 2: with the person that you're with to be like, hey,
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Speaker 2: you need to also be like more respectful to the
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Speaker 2: person that you broke up with when we were like
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Speaker 2: figuring this thing out, and I think at the time
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Speaker 2: it was really hard to process, like, Okay, how much
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Speaker 2: do I talk about with this with Lauren about you know, Jojo?
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Speaker 2: How much do I not talk about? What do I
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Speaker 2: say to Jojo? Do I send her a text to say, hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry for how things went down? Is that inappropriate?
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Speaker 2: There was a lot there, but you need a partner
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Speaker 2: to kind of step in with you. I want to
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Speaker 2: go back a little bit though. I remember when I
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Speaker 2: first felt like Lauren was thrown off was like the
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Speaker 2: night after our proposal on the show. It was the
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Speaker 2: next day when we were like, She's like, okay, so
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Speaker 2: what do we do now? And I'm like, I don't
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Speaker 2: really know what we do now, Like I'm my middle
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Speaker 2: name is Edward, and here's my phone number, and I
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Speaker 2: hope this works. There was a lot happening, yeah, and
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Speaker 2: so can we go back to like next day for you?
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Speaker 2: It wasn't I expected this whole show to end in
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Speaker 2: this like fairy tale where the next morning you wake
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Speaker 2: up up and everybody's happy and you're like, look at
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Speaker 2: this beautiful thing that happened if in it, and I
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Speaker 2: know why it wasn't this way. It felt very opposite
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Speaker 2: of that. It felt very much like, okay, now let's
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Speaker 2: get to know each other.
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Speaker 6: M hm.
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Speaker 2: And also, can you explain to me how this thing
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Speaker 2: all worked out at the end, because I don't think
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Speaker 2: it was as like clean cut as what I think.
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Speaker 2: You know, she was away for a lot of it,
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Speaker 2: so I had to explain the whole thing to her.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard. I don't know what they don't know right.
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Speaker 5: So then it's a lot of backtracking, and it's a
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Speaker 5: lot of having to revisit weird things, and you know,
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Speaker 5: I think in some ways it brought Grant and I
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Speaker 5: a lot closer because I think I don't know where
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Speaker 5: he said it. And I have to admit I don't
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Speaker 5: usually listen to like any of the podcasts he does,
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Speaker 5: unless if somebody says, you know, he was talking about
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Speaker 5: me in some way. But I think we've been pretty
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Speaker 5: respectful in that sense. Maybe me not so much, but
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Speaker 5: I will say, like he said something recently along the
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Speaker 5: line of like he would have been a little bit
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Speaker 5: more stern with production now.
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Speaker 6: I think that there's twofold to that.
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Speaker 5: I think that if you don't know yourself well enough,
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Speaker 5: how can you really stay strong and true to who
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Speaker 5: you are throughout that process?
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Speaker 6: I think it can get messy.
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Speaker 5: And I think that for me, the Grant I met
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Speaker 5: and kind of fell and that did fall in love
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Speaker 5: with in the show. Shortly after we kind of got
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Speaker 5: back from all of this, I was quick to find
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Speaker 5: out it was a very different Grant in the outside world, and.
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Speaker 6: I think that I did.
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Speaker 5: You know, I fell in love with the basis of
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Speaker 5: who I thought he was and what was presented to me,
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Speaker 5: and I still care for that person deeply, But in
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Speaker 5: terms of it being a long lasting relationship, I think
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Speaker 5: I was struggling to get to that point once we
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Speaker 5: were really getting to know each other. I mean, I
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Speaker 5: don't he could say the same about me, but I
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Speaker 5: I mean, I would like to think that, at least
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Speaker 5: from what my friends and family have told me from
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Speaker 5: watching it, like they thought that I was pretty true
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Speaker 5: to who I was, And I think afterwards my walls
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Speaker 5: went up really high, really fast, because I was like, whoa,
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Speaker 5: I don't know this person, you know, Like I was
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Speaker 5: kind of like, shuck a little bit.
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Speaker 4: You don't have to spill your gods, but like, can
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Speaker 4: you give us an example as to how he's different
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Speaker 4: in real life?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think he's like I say this
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Speaker 5: not in a mean way, but I think you guys
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Speaker 5: might understand he's a little aloof you know, he's kind
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Speaker 5: of a little like not like super clear direction. And
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Speaker 5: that's okay, you know, it's not a negative thing per se.
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Speaker 5: But I think we had talked about things we wanted
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Speaker 5: to do, places we wanted to go together, foundations we
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Speaker 5: wanted to represent. Like I thought we kind of had
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Speaker 5: a bit of a clear picture of like the magic
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Speaker 5: we could make together as a couple, and like really
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Speaker 5: resonated on the same things and then coming out of it,
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Speaker 5: you know, it was like one day he wanted to
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Speaker 5: make music, the next day he wasn't going to be
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Speaker 5: an artist, but then he was still going to release it.
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Speaker 5: And then he wanted to do a dating app, and
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Speaker 5: then he wanted to have his you know, marketing class.
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Speaker 5: And I was having a hard time following following it,
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Speaker 5: you know, and feeling like included in his life's path
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Speaker 5: to you know, spread this mission that you can do
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Speaker 5: it all and be in a relationship. But I was like, Hi,
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Speaker 5: you have to pay attention to me. If you want
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Speaker 5: me a part of this, you have to include me.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: And and I think he was just you scatterbrained a
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Speaker 5: little bit. And maybe that's because he went through what
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Speaker 5: he went through. And I mean, listen, it took me
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Speaker 5: a minute to kind of come down from like the
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Speaker 5: mess of everything that happened too. But I think I
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Speaker 5: still feel that with him, you know now and maybe
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Speaker 5: that's just.
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Speaker 6: Who he is.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, you're you're giving him a lot of grace,
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Speaker 2: and you should because it is a wild time. You
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Speaker 2: go from zero to one hundred, and I think you
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Speaker 2: need to find people to ground you in that. And
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Speaker 2: I would think somebody like you who ends up with
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Speaker 2: it from the show would be that grounding source to
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Speaker 2: speak into him and be like, hey, let's let's cut
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Speaker 2: out some things, or let's add some things, or where
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Speaker 2: are we trying to go with this? I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: kind of what a partner, you know, is for in
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Speaker 2: a lot of ways when it comes to your professional
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Speaker 2: life and lifestyle. There was and I think out of
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Speaker 2: everything that's been said, there wasn't a comment. I felt
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Speaker 2: like I read preparing for this and I don't know
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Speaker 2: the exact line, but I felt like this would have
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Speaker 2: been a big red flag for me. This never happened
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Speaker 2: in my two seasons on the show with Caitlin or
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Speaker 2: you know, when I was the Bachelor. Was there was
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Speaker 2: this comment made shortly after about kind of like being
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Speaker 2: famous from this. I think that he made he said
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Speaker 2: something along along the lines of like, you know, we're
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Speaker 2: going to kind of get a lot of attention from
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Speaker 2: this and all that. To me, that feels like the
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Speaker 2: last thing you should be thinking about. It felt it
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Speaker 2: feels distracting from the relationship at hand. Did you feel
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Speaker 2: that way totally?
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that that is kind of what
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Speaker 5: I meant when I said in the last podcast I
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Speaker 5: did about like it always being about the optics.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: I think I did my best to support him because
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Speaker 5: I like had the support system and I was able
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Speaker 5: to kind of work through it and he was getting
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Speaker 5: a lot of heat, and so I think like through
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Speaker 5: it all, I was like, Okay, let's just get through this.
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Speaker 5: You know, I can be there to support him, I
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Speaker 5: can try and guide him. And then after when that
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Speaker 5: still continued, and I was like, hello, you're not like
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Speaker 5: including me in anything I can't You're not listening to me,
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Speaker 5: You're not hearing what I'm saying, and it's all about
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Speaker 5: the optics. It's all like talking him off a ledge
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Speaker 5: about somebody who made a comment that was like hurtful
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Speaker 5: and you know, the Tyler Cameron issue that they had,
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Speaker 5: Like I remember that just being like like deep down,
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Speaker 5: like the one of the hardest two weeks for me,
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Speaker 5: because I was just talking him off a ledge every
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Speaker 5: three hours, and I was like, you've got to just
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Speaker 5: let it go. But you know, I have to give
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Speaker 5: him grace because it is so hard when the world
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Speaker 5: it feels like the world is coming at you. And
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Speaker 5: that's how I felt after the finale, like aired, and
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Speaker 5: I was hoping for like his support the way I
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Speaker 5: supported him, and it wasn't. It was about the optics,
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Speaker 5: and it was about what people are going to think,
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Speaker 5: and if we break up, they're going to think this,
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Speaker 5: and if we stay together, they're going to think that.
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Speaker 6: And I'm like, I don't care.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like what when you said on the other
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Speaker 4: podcast that he was writing statements after your fights how
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Speaker 4: to announce your breakup?
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Speaker 3: A day after after the final rose.
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Speaker 5: I literally rolled over and he was in the bed
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Speaker 5: and he's like, Hagen morning, like did you make a
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Speaker 5: decision because I've come up with some options, and.
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Speaker 6: I was like, are you serious right now? I was like,
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Speaker 6: don't talk to me.
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Speaker 3: I have so many questions they're just bubbling up.
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Speaker 4: So first got to address how you felt when you
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Speaker 4: found out that he had been leading Letia on like
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Speaker 4: that to the point where he was like, you're the
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Speaker 4: one you're the one over and over and over again.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think it was.
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Speaker 5: I think they had their first like one on one
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Speaker 5: date night the second episode, and I was in Florida
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Speaker 5: and I called him and I was I was crying
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Speaker 5: and because I saw the chemistry, you know, when they
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Speaker 5: look so cute, and I was like, I literally said,
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Speaker 5: would you have picked her if she wasn't Mormon? Because
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Speaker 5: I knew that that was something that was like he
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Speaker 5: was struggling with towards the end, and I was like, seriously,
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Speaker 5: would you because I can see it and I feel
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Speaker 5: it and I'm I'm having anxiety over it. And he
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Speaker 5: was like, no, you know that's that wasn't the main thing.
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Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, so I let it go.
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Speaker 5: And I think it's so hard because I think there
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Speaker 5: is a lot of like pushing him one way and
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Speaker 5: he wasn't strong enough and how he really wanted to
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Speaker 5: feel to kind of stick up to that, and I
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Speaker 5: think he kind of is a bit of a people pleaser,
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Speaker 5: and I know he had feelings for Latia, you know,
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Speaker 5: So I think that that was he was grappling with
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Speaker 5: all of that and struggling to communicate the way he
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Speaker 5: should have. But like you know, I think I was
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Speaker 5: frustrated with her anger towards it, because when I say,
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Speaker 5: I wasn't shocked with things she said, like he gave
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Speaker 5: me a notebook that he said something very similar to
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Speaker 5: me her He brought up engagement the night, but to
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Speaker 5: me in a similar way that he did to her.
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Speaker 5: And in my eyes, I could sense that he was
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Speaker 5: a little bit free flowing with what was you know,
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Speaker 5: prompted for him. And I think that I didn't take
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Speaker 5: it to heart. I just I didn't put all my
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Speaker 5: eggs in the basket because I was like, I'm not
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Speaker 5: sure if this is him or if this is Like
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Speaker 5: I knew he was honest about his feelings, but I
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Speaker 5: just didn't know to the magnitude of the validity towards
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Speaker 5: the end, like what it really meant.
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Speaker 6: And I didn't know if I was getting let on.
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Speaker 5: So I think it was just all around hard for
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Speaker 5: me to see it happen to somebody else, because then
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Speaker 5: it was her emotions that he had to deal with,
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Speaker 5: you know, And I didn't feel like he was doing
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Speaker 5: a good job with it. And I was frustrated with
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Speaker 5: Lysia because I felt like she counted me out and
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Speaker 5: took everything he said as if we were not on
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Speaker 5: a dating show where there was other women involved and
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Speaker 5: it was her way or not her way and shoot,
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Speaker 5: and I feel bad that I feel that way, but
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Speaker 5: we looked at it two different ways, so I don't
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Speaker 5: know it.
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Speaker 6: It was hard. It was it was all around herd.
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Speaker 5: I was frustrated with myself and him and her and
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Speaker 5: production and everything.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, from my experience during this, you know,
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Speaker 2: Grant did have two incredible people at the end, and
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Speaker 2: I would always make the argument that so did I,
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Speaker 2: and that's why it was so hard. Like those you're
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Speaker 2: in an environment where you're like, how am I supposed
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Speaker 2: to say goodbye to somebody so awesome? And how do
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Speaker 2: I make them know how special this was for me
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Speaker 2: even though I'm going to be saying goodbye to them,
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Speaker 2: And it doesn't make sense on why and you don't.
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Speaker 2: It sounds so simple now looking back and explaining it,
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Speaker 2: but at the time, you're like, I don't know how
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Speaker 2: to make sense of this personally. I have always said, I,
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Speaker 2: you know, I wish Lauren Jojo, you Letia Grant all
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Speaker 2: these people. When you're in a situation like this, I
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Speaker 2: do wish there was the understanding of, hey, yeah, I can't.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to explain why I did
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Speaker 2: what I did. It doesn't make sense to me and
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Speaker 2: it won't make sense to you, and so let's just
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Speaker 2: start now. Can we just like clean slate, say I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: this is messed up? Did it feel and that's where
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Speaker 2: my question leagues, did it feel like Grant wanted that?
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Speaker 2: Though it kind of felt like it was never this like, hey,
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Speaker 2: can we put a steak in the ground. I'm sorry
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Speaker 2: for all the pain, I'm sorry for all the confusion.
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Speaker 2: Can we put a steak in the ground? Will you
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Speaker 2: give me that as a partner and just say, can
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Speaker 2: we walk past the steak and move forward together as
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Speaker 2: a couple? Or did it always feel like this lingering
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Speaker 2: thing that they almost didn't want to go away.
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Speaker 6: For me and him?
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Speaker 5: I think, especially the day after the finale when we
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Speaker 5: sat through all that press and literally all of the
18:46
Speaker 5: questions had to do with Letia, I think that that's
18:49
Speaker 5: just how our relationship started.
18:51
Speaker 6: And I don't know that there's a way to get around.
18:53
Speaker 1: That with.
18:55
Speaker 5: The fuel that was added to the fire by him
18:58
Speaker 5: maybe not just owning up to it to the full extent.
19:02
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that he did the best he could,
19:05
Speaker 5: you know. I think that he was also frustrated and
19:07
Speaker 5: didn't want her to paint him to be He didn't
19:11
Speaker 5: want her to paint him to be this like awful
19:14
Speaker 5: person with this intent to lead her on and then
19:16
Speaker 5: screw her over. But that is like the basis of
19:18
Speaker 5: the show, you know, like that someone's gonna get hurt,
19:22
Speaker 5: and I think that they're like, I just don't I
19:25
Speaker 5: don't think we could have gotten over it. And I
19:27
Speaker 5: think it was lingering, especially because that's what people in
19:30
Speaker 5: the comments were saying.
19:31
Speaker 6: That's what the videos on TikTok were saying.
19:34
Speaker 5: It was all Latia leading on him not taking accountability
19:37
Speaker 5: and then me having.
19:38
Speaker 6: To talk him off a ledge over the girl he hurt,
19:41
Speaker 6: you know. So I just don't know it.
19:44
Speaker 5: I don't think that he intended to not get over it.
19:46
Speaker 5: I just don't know that it was possible with the
19:48
Speaker 5: way everything happened.
19:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need to know about your family and what
19:54
Speaker 4: they thought about him when you got off the show,
19:57
Speaker 4: and then how they helped you deal with the break
19:59
Speaker 4: up and like the lead up to the breakup, because
20:02
Speaker 4: your family was so involved, and I loved seeing your family.
20:05
Speaker 3: You could just tell how close.
20:06
Speaker 2: To your family. Your family's probably and if somebody said,
20:09
Speaker 2: what's your top three most memorable things from that season,
20:13
Speaker 2: your family would be one of them for me. And
20:14
Speaker 2: I don't they just they kind of reminded me of
20:17
Speaker 2: my wife's family. Very Italian, like I'm not. They're very loud,
20:24
Speaker 2: and they're very direct fact and I love it now
20:28
Speaker 2: because I know when they are happy with me and not.
20:30
Speaker 2: But yeah, your family was great.
20:33
Speaker 5: Thank you. That really does mean the world to me.
20:35
Speaker 5: I mean, they've just been so supportive. They've just been
20:40
Speaker 5: so helpful in every aspect you could think about. You know,
20:43
Speaker 5: when I need to vent and yell, I'll call my mom.
20:47
Speaker 5: When I need somebody to calm me down, I'll call
20:49
Speaker 5: my dad. When I want to laugh, I'll call my sister.
20:52
Speaker 6: And when I'm freaking out and I don't know what
20:54
Speaker 6: to do, I'll call my brother, you know, and.
20:57
Speaker 3: So so wonderful.
20:58
Speaker 6: Yeah, just like being able to have that.
21:01
Speaker 5: You know, I think I talked to my brother a
21:03
Speaker 5: lot when I was feeling iffy about Grant.
21:05
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just because he was honest.
21:09
Speaker 5: You know, I think my mom and my dad and
21:12
Speaker 5: my sister wanted to make sure that I was okay,
21:17
Speaker 5: but in a way that was like protecting me from
21:20
Speaker 5: the public. I think they were just like, just get
21:22
Speaker 5: through it, you know, afterwards, when this is all done airing,
21:25
Speaker 5: like then maybe you can have a different perspective on him,
21:28
Speaker 5: and you guys can really get to know each other
21:30
Speaker 5: and blah blah blah.
21:31
Speaker 6: Think they wanted me to get through it. My brother
21:36
Speaker 6: was the opposite.
21:36
Speaker 5: My brother was like, if you're feeling like this, like
21:39
Speaker 5: listen to yourself, listen to your gut, you know, don't
21:43
Speaker 5: do anything to please anybody else, and you know yourself
21:46
Speaker 5: well enough. So I think my brother pushed me in
21:49
Speaker 5: all the right ways to break up with him.
21:52
Speaker 6: I think.
21:54
Speaker 5: After the breakup, that's when I think I was like
21:58
Speaker 5: I really needed my parents, Like I just I don't know,
22:02
Speaker 5: I've just I would never wish a public breakup like
22:05
Speaker 5: to that degree on anybody. It's so hard and it's
22:08
Speaker 5: so sad, and I was so sad about everything. I
22:13
Speaker 5: just was crying like all day every day for like
22:15
Speaker 5: two weeks, and I like left to go to Florida
22:17
Speaker 5: and stay with my aunt, and I was like help me,
22:20
Speaker 5: and then they would go to work all day and
22:22
Speaker 5: I'd just like be like crying in the sunshine.
22:24
Speaker 6: But I'm like, at least I'm getting.
22:25
Speaker 2: Tan, you know.
22:26
Speaker 5: He's trying to soak in like any sort of positive
22:30
Speaker 5: around me.
22:31
Speaker 2: It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard to do a
22:33
Speaker 2: public breakup. I've shared this story before, but when Laura
22:37
Speaker 2: and I broke up, we went our separate ways, like immediately,
22:41
Speaker 2: she kind of like grabbed her stuff and left, which
22:43
Speaker 2: was for them.
22:43
Speaker 3: Never saw each other again, well.
22:46
Speaker 2: No, kind of, Well we really haven't. I've seen her
22:48
Speaker 2: husband many times.
22:49
Speaker 3: It's great, but he cast the husband.
22:52
Speaker 2: It's hilarious, it buddy, uh. But I we both ended up.
22:56
Speaker 2: We didn't tell each other we were going. We went
22:58
Speaker 2: to New York City. I was there on a work
23:01
Speaker 2: trip and she went with a friend and I ran
23:04
Speaker 2: into her like three days after our breakup, randomly on
23:07
Speaker 2: the street corner and I sprinted like away, like I
23:12
Speaker 2: ran out a direction. I was so nervous. I didn't
23:15
Speaker 2: want to see her. It was so hard, and there
23:17
Speaker 2: was so much opinion out there. But sometimes and I think,
23:22
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to speak for Lauren here during this,
23:25
Speaker 2: but our breakup was a long time coming. We had
23:29
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for each other and we still
23:31
Speaker 2: do to this day. But it was a weightlifted when
23:34
Speaker 2: we finally said, Okay, this is done, like we know it.
23:39
Speaker 2: I don't know how we're going to do this. A
23:40
Speaker 2: lot of things are going to be said, but this
23:43
Speaker 2: is over. Let's just, you know, rip the band aid
23:46
Speaker 2: off and move forward to the best we can. So
23:50
Speaker 2: it was a weightlifted. It doesn't sound like it felt
23:52
Speaker 2: like a weightlifted to you, though.
23:55
Speaker 6: It did end.
23:56
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I think before we announced it, we'd
23:59
Speaker 5: been broken up maybe for like a few weeks personally,
24:04
Speaker 5: you know, and he had come to Aruba with me
24:08
Speaker 5: and my friends and my family, and that was like
24:11
Speaker 5: the hardest week ever for him and me.
24:14
Speaker 3: Were you broken up or not?
24:16
Speaker 6: We were broken up?
24:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you went to Aruba. M So you went
24:20
Speaker 3: as friends? Yeah.
24:22
Speaker 5: I think it was like he loved my family and
24:26
Speaker 5: my friends and I didn't want him to feel isolated
24:28
Speaker 5: from that because him and I couldn't be together.
24:31
Speaker 6: But I also.
24:32
Speaker 4: Time out hold up this, I know, was it because
24:37
Speaker 4: the trip was just booked.
24:38
Speaker 5: The trip was booked and he ended up leaving early
24:41
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, I think it was like he
24:43
Speaker 5: just he couldn't do it, and it makes sense and
24:45
Speaker 5: it was fair. But I think you have to understand,
24:50
Speaker 5: like before we broke up, because I broke up with him,
24:54
Speaker 5: you know, I think we were drifting a bit naturally.
24:59
Speaker 6: But he still talked to my parents.
25:01
Speaker 5: He you know, he still talked to my brother in
25:03
Speaker 5: law and my best friend's fiance who does music, like
25:08
Speaker 5: they were trying to get into the studio down in Florida,
25:11
Speaker 5: and I was like, listen, bro, like, my people are
25:14
Speaker 5: your people. I care about him. You know, I'm not
25:17
Speaker 5: going to sit here and say he's a horrible guy.
25:18
Speaker 5: That's the one thing that I just like, I hate
25:20
Speaker 5: when people say because he doesn't doesn't mean bad.
25:24
Speaker 6: He's just a loose you know.
25:25
Speaker 3: I think that's also what we've been putting out there.
25:28
Speaker 4: I said that we roast him, which we do, but
25:31
Speaker 4: it's all out of him being aloof and not about
25:34
Speaker 4: him being like bad.
25:36
Speaker 6: Totally.
25:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, And.
25:39
Speaker 5: You know, I think he's been through so much in
25:42
Speaker 5: life and he is like a soldier for staying strong
25:46
Speaker 5: through it all and being a support to his family.
25:49
Speaker 5: I wanted him to feel supported. I didn't want him
25:51
Speaker 5: to feel alone, you know. And I knew the breakup
25:55
Speaker 5: was going to be hard on him. And I didn't
25:56
Speaker 5: know if he was like I was his person that
25:59
Speaker 5: was helping him get through the season. I didn't know
26:02
Speaker 5: who he had, you know, and I didn't want him
26:04
Speaker 5: to be alone. That made me sad. And so I
26:08
Speaker 5: think like it wasn't a weight off my shoulders because
26:11
Speaker 5: I cared about him, and I was really uncertain about
26:16
Speaker 5: how I felt like the person that I fell in
26:19
Speaker 5: love with and that I knew like just like didn't
26:22
Speaker 5: care about me in the way, like couldn't support me.
26:26
Speaker 5: And I just I think I was down on myself.
26:28
Speaker 5: I like I felt like I did myself dirty, you know.
26:33
Speaker 5: And I in my head, all I could think was like,
26:36
Speaker 5: come on now, Juliana, like get it together, Like you know,
26:39
Speaker 5: you're smarter than this. You should have seen these red flags.
26:42
Speaker 5: You should have picked up on these things. And I
26:45
Speaker 5: and then now even to this day, like I feel
26:48
Speaker 5: like it's this weird. When he went on when and
26:51
Speaker 5: did his own podcast and said, like, you know, we
26:53
Speaker 5: hadn't spoke and he didn't talk to my family. It
26:56
Speaker 5: was like we broke up and he flew out to
27:00
Speaker 5: show up to my fashion show without telling me and
27:04
Speaker 5: because of the optics, And I'm like, so, don't sit
27:07
Speaker 5: there and create this narrative that like I iced you out,
27:09
Speaker 5: because that was the complete opposite of anything I was
27:12
Speaker 5: ever trying to do to you and my family.
27:15
Speaker 6: We would never do that.
27:27
Speaker 2: I guess my curiosity is when did I mean, maybe
27:30
Speaker 2: it hasn't so you have, but when did it start
27:33
Speaker 2: to feel easier for you? I think I remember, well,
27:38
Speaker 2: you know, we're trying to track like right after the breakup,
27:42
Speaker 2: like how you both were feeling and I and tell
27:44
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, and I just like dreamt this
27:46
Speaker 2: because that can happen too. But I felt like there
27:49
Speaker 2: was like an instagram that he did where he pretty
27:51
Speaker 2: much said in some way or another like I don't
27:55
Speaker 2: like miss you, or like I'm not like this isn't
27:59
Speaker 2: hard for me, or something that's right that.
28:02
Speaker 6: Yes, wasn't heartbroken.
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. I wasn't heartbroken.
28:07
Speaker 6: I am like, I don't know. That was like the
28:10
Speaker 6: weirdest thing ever.
28:12
Speaker 5: I think that that was again back to the aloof thing.
28:16
Speaker 5: I think he was trying to come off this tough
28:20
Speaker 5: didn't care about at your opinion, what you're saying vibes
28:24
Speaker 5: I'm not heartbroken, like because he was butt hurt that
28:27
Speaker 5: I broke up with him, you know, I think that
28:29
Speaker 5: that was where that came from. But on such a
28:34
Speaker 5: when you have such a following of people that like
28:36
Speaker 5: are so curious and we're not giving them anything about
28:38
Speaker 5: the breakup and you say you're not heartbroken.
28:40
Speaker 6: Like, I was like, was he not?
28:44
Speaker 2: You know?
28:44
Speaker 5: Because I was like I am, and I'm so sad
28:47
Speaker 5: and I'm like, you know, sitting here crying and you're
28:50
Speaker 5: telling people that you don't even care about the breakup.
28:53
Speaker 5: I was like it just it felt so hot and
28:55
Speaker 5: cold all the time, like I was having a really
28:57
Speaker 5: hard time understand standing him. True this day, I still am.
29:02
Speaker 5: And that was I think explains kind of what I
29:04
Speaker 5: mean when I say aloof like I just quit.
29:06
Speaker 6: I can't figure him out, Yeah, if anybody can.
29:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that I mean from based on what you
29:12
Speaker 2: were saying, like, hey, you didn't know who else he had.
29:14
Speaker 2: You're trying to be there for him even though this
29:16
Speaker 2: breakup happened and it was done, You're still trying to
29:19
Speaker 2: be a support And that's a heavy weight to carry
29:23
Speaker 2: for somebody, especially that had just recently gotten out of
29:26
Speaker 2: this relationship. When did it feel When did you finally say, hey,
29:30
Speaker 2: I can't, like I don't know what to do here,
29:32
Speaker 2: so I'm just going to move on and he has
29:34
Speaker 2: to figure this out on his own.
29:39
Speaker 6: Honestly, it was pretty recently.
29:41
Speaker 5: I will say I think that I, you know, I
29:45
Speaker 5: have people online sending me his stuff, or when he
29:48
Speaker 5: was doing podcasts and so was I and even Litia
29:52
Speaker 5: doing podcasts. I think like for me, it was just
29:57
Speaker 5: maybe honestly last month, it was like I was kind
30:00
Speaker 5: of like, wow, I haven't thought about him in a minute,
30:04
Speaker 5: you know, And I think I was seeing things maybe
30:07
Speaker 5: online that he was kind of seeming like he was
30:09
Speaker 5: doing well, and I was like it kind of made
30:12
Speaker 5: me be able to breathe a little bit and just
30:14
Speaker 5: be like, he's okay, he's not my problem, like not
30:19
Speaker 5: the you know what I mean, but like and.
30:23
Speaker 6: He's going to be okay.
30:24
Speaker 5: So then I was like, Okay, now I can focus
30:26
Speaker 5: on my healing and like getting myself back on my feet.
30:32
Speaker 5: And so I started therapy again, and I started working
30:35
Speaker 5: out again and hanging out with my friends and now
30:39
Speaker 5: I'm having having a time with life again.
30:41
Speaker 2: Are you dating?
30:43
Speaker 6: Yeah?
30:43
Speaker 4: I am like, you're like dating someone that you like.
30:47
Speaker 3: I can tell.
30:49
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am seeing somebody I got amazing.
30:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's new, but it's fun and it's flirty,
30:57
Speaker 5: and I like that, you know, I like I think
31:01
Speaker 5: that coming out of that, like it was so hard
31:05
Speaker 5: that I think I've been taking things really really slow again,
31:09
Speaker 5: and it put me back a little bit into my
31:11
Speaker 5: old like I hate men vibe and I don't like
31:14
Speaker 5: I'm not a man hater. I'm not a woman hater, like,
31:17
Speaker 5: and so I think now I was like, let me
31:19
Speaker 5: just give this guy a shot. He's like blown me
31:21
Speaker 5: up for like three straight months NonStop, and I've been
31:25
Speaker 5: like ghosting him, and I was like, you know what's
31:27
Speaker 5: through it? You're cute, So we're going to hang out.
31:32
Speaker 3: I love it.
31:33
Speaker 2: Yay?
31:33
Speaker 3: Is he could be her New Year's date?
31:35
Speaker 6: Yes, he's coming here for New Years?
31:37
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, congratulations already.
31:40
Speaker 4: Well, so the other question I have, I must ask
31:45
Speaker 4: that's such a weird thing to say, but we had
31:48
Speaker 4: Carolina on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, and she.
31:51
Speaker 3: Was an absolute hoot and she was like.
31:56
Speaker 2: Her.
31:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, really very very entertaining, and she was like,
32:01
Speaker 4: I was not the villain of my season.
32:03
Speaker 3: And we were like, okay, well then who was? She
32:05
Speaker 3: goes Juliana me.
32:12
Speaker 6: Like some reasoning because it was mean, because I think that.
32:16
Speaker 3: You like called her out.
32:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, like okay, I'm sorry that we can't handle conflict
32:22
Speaker 5: in our years of life. I mean, listen, I think
32:26
Speaker 5: that that was my last straw. I definitely had had
32:29
Speaker 5: maybe a few glasses of wine that night, but I
32:32
Speaker 5: was over.
32:33
Speaker 6: We all suffered through it.
32:35
Speaker 5: It was all we were talking about in interviews in
32:38
Speaker 5: our couch mornings, and like her passing of like not
32:42
Speaker 5: wanting to participate and then being a grouch.
32:45
Speaker 6: I was like, why are you here?
32:47
Speaker 4: She said, you about poking the bear always I was
32:50
Speaker 4: poking the bear, as in like I guess she's the bear, right.
32:53
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, listen, I'm not I'm not a poker.
32:56
Speaker 5: I have to say, like, I did my very very
32:59
Speaker 5: damn best to stay in my own lane, and they
33:02
Speaker 5: of course caught me swerving and if unfortunately I swerved
33:09
Speaker 5: into Carolina's lane and then through this shit, I'm going
33:12
Speaker 5: back to my lane because I don't want any part
33:14
Speaker 5: of that and someone said one time, I forget who
33:18
Speaker 5: it was that they were, like, production can't make you
33:21
Speaker 5: look like an asshole if you're not an asshole. So
33:24
Speaker 5: like they if they had clips of her being an asshole,
33:29
Speaker 5: it was because she was being an asshole, you know,
33:31
Speaker 5: and not saying that that makes her a villain, Like,
33:33
Speaker 5: I'm sure she's a lovely human, but.
33:36
Speaker 6: Like, you know, maybe you just should have gone.
33:40
Speaker 5: Home because you did felt no good staying and being
33:44
Speaker 5: a grump and talking about the lead that you were
33:46
Speaker 5: trying to date, and then being upset when.
33:47
Speaker 6: He sent you home.
33:49
Speaker 2: I love that you just said production can't make you
33:52
Speaker 2: look like something unless you are something, because I that's
33:55
Speaker 2: always been my argument is, Hey, they've definitely messed over
34:00
Speaker 2: a few we could probably name those. However, for the
34:03
Speaker 2: most part, when you do the things you do and
34:06
Speaker 2: it's shown back on television you don't like the way
34:08
Speaker 2: it looks, you might want to ask yourself, like, was
34:12
Speaker 2: I and the wrong there? And what can I learn
34:14
Speaker 2: from that? Which obviously you just said it. I think
34:18
Speaker 2: it's awesome that you're back out dating. It takes some
34:21
Speaker 2: people longer, but I think one of the best things
34:23
Speaker 2: to do after something like this is to get back
34:25
Speaker 2: out there again and to figure out what you're looking
34:28
Speaker 2: for and a partner. I also love that you're back
34:32
Speaker 2: in therapy. I think therapy was huge for me as
34:35
Speaker 2: I tried to process this weird thing that I came through.
34:38
Speaker 2: I'm sure at some point, though, therapy is going to
34:41
Speaker 2: encourage you to reconcile. That seems to be a thing
34:44
Speaker 2: in therapy is reconciliation and forgiveness. From the conversation we've had,
34:48
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like you have any Harbord like anger
34:51
Speaker 2: towards Grant. You're just it's over, it's done, You've moved on.
34:55
Speaker 2: But there's still and Carolina you didn't really probably even
34:58
Speaker 2: think of until Ashley just brought her up and you're like, oh, yeah,
35:00
Speaker 2: that girl that I had that thing with her. But
35:04
Speaker 2: Latilla is still going to be this thing that like
35:07
Speaker 2: sits over you, and it's going to be brought up
35:09
Speaker 2: to you in conversations and interviews and on the streets
35:12
Speaker 2: when fans stop you. Is there a chance in this
35:16
Speaker 2: new year that you look to reconcile, maybe not to
35:20
Speaker 2: build a front like the best friendship, but to reconcile
35:23
Speaker 2: something with Latia After the months that have passed.
35:25
Speaker 5: Now totally, I mean, listen, I think it would only
35:30
Speaker 5: be good for me, and hopefully it would be good
35:34
Speaker 5: for her. I think holding on to such negative emotions
35:39
Speaker 5: around the whole thing and having it be a topic
35:41
Speaker 5: of conversation it is hard for I'm sure her too.
35:45
Speaker 5: I would love for it to be over and done with.
35:49
Speaker 5: And I don't know what the hesitancy is on my
35:53
Speaker 5: end to reach out. Maybe it's because I'm still hurt
35:56
Speaker 5: from it and I need to get over that before
36:00
Speaker 5: or I try and mend the bridge. I don't like
36:02
Speaker 5: to be fake. I don't like to just, you know, apologize,
36:07
Speaker 5: to apologize. I would want to mean it, you know,
36:09
Speaker 5: and I would, really and I do. I feel bad
36:12
Speaker 5: if there's things that I've said that have caused her
36:15
Speaker 5: harm or hurt or negative emotions. And same with Carolina,
36:19
Speaker 5: you know, and even Zoe, Like you know, I'm not
36:21
Speaker 5: perfect and neither are they, so I can't. I can't
36:25
Speaker 5: hold on to it anymore. But I just I think
36:28
Speaker 5: I just need some more time. And it's so weird
36:30
Speaker 5: that I feel like I could have forgiven Grant and
36:34
Speaker 5: not the girls, But I think we were closer. You know,
36:38
Speaker 5: in some odd way, it's like you spend more time
36:40
Speaker 5: with them, you feel like you have a relationship friendship
36:44
Speaker 5: with them, and then when things kind of get turned
36:47
Speaker 5: around and things are said and feelings are hurt, it
36:51
Speaker 5: hurts a little bit more, you know, because you wouldn't
36:54
Speaker 5: expect that from girls, girls, and they are girls girls.
36:58
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think we all were. We
37:00
Speaker 5: were so supportive. And I said this in the Bachelor
37:03
Speaker 5: Happy Hour podcast.
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Speaker 6: It was like.
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Speaker 5: Filming was so phenomenal, Like yeah, it was afterwards that
37:08
Speaker 5: things started to get so weird between all of us,
37:11
Speaker 5: and that hurt me like so bad. I like came
37:16
Speaker 5: out of that like with this newfound confidence and I
37:19
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, I just made like twenty
37:21
Speaker 5: freaking friends and they were all girls, and like we were.
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Speaker 2: So nice, and.
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Speaker 5: Then they kind of started getting weird and uncomfortable, and
37:31
Speaker 5: I was getting anxious in my handling this correctly.
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Speaker 6: What can I do better? Like what did I do
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Speaker 6: to them?
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Speaker 5: And it just took me down like a dark path,
37:41
Speaker 5: like mentally about myself. And that's when I was kind
37:43
Speaker 5: of like, Okay, I don't know these girls. They're not
37:44
Speaker 5: my friends. They don't owe me anything, So I need
37:47
Speaker 5: to heal myself before I have a relationship with them
37:52
Speaker 5: in this environment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's respectable.
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Speaker 4: Also, like, I imagine this happens a lot with the
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Speaker 4: final three, especially because you kind of, yeah, at the
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Speaker 4: end of it, you guys are very secluded from each other,
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Speaker 4: and then you watch it back on TV and I
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Speaker 4: really can't imagine. Then there's some weird scenarios like Katie
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Speaker 4: and Gabby where they're best friends. Yeah, so you know,
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Speaker 4: it all turns out differently, but I totally understand where
38:22
Speaker 4: you're coming from with that. That would that would probably
38:25
Speaker 4: be harder for me to get over as well the
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Speaker 4: girl relationship.
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Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if this is like a
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Speaker 6: weird view. You know.
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Speaker 5: I don't think I knew exactly what to expect in
38:35
Speaker 5: the finale, but for some reason, I didn't expect that
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Speaker 5: from her. I could sense Grant was very anxious, and
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Speaker 5: I could sense he wasn't being fully honest with me
38:47
Speaker 5: the night before when he was like, what if she
38:50
Speaker 5: says this and what if she like lies?
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Speaker 6: And I was like, well, why are you feeling like
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Speaker 6: it's gonna go that way?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 5: I was like, is there something in particular you're nervous about,
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Speaker 5: and he was like, no, no, no. And in that situation,
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Speaker 5: I am not able to watch it live, so I'm
39:07
Speaker 5: kind of just waiting for my moment to come out
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Speaker 5: and hope, you know, he's okay. And he made it through,
39:13
Speaker 5: and I saw him before we went on stage together,
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Speaker 5: and he was like literally like looked pale as a
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Speaker 5: ghosts And my mom got up from her seat watching
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Speaker 5: it and like went to go find me, and production
39:24
Speaker 5: went like chasing after her.
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Speaker 6: I was like, ma'am, like get back to your seat.
39:27
Speaker 6: She's like, screw you, throw this. I'm getting my daughter
39:29
Speaker 6: out of here.
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Speaker 4: But I was wondering how much acting you had to
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Speaker 4: do when you were on the hot seat.
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Speaker 5: I don't I think I was luckily ignorant to what
39:39
Speaker 5: had just happened to some extreme. I mean, to some extent,
39:44
Speaker 5: but I have to be honest, Like I was so
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Speaker 5: nervous that I was going to fall or like I
39:49
Speaker 5: don't know. I just was like I want I was
39:51
Speaker 5: going to throw up. That's how I felt like being
39:53
Speaker 5: on stage in front of all those people.
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Speaker 6: I don't even know.
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Speaker 5: I think I blacked out. Regardless of whether I think
39:58
Speaker 5: I knew what had happened or not, Like I was
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Speaker 5: just like sitting smiling pretty and just trying to get through.
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Speaker 6: It's I can get off stage.
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Speaker 2: It is such a weird. Yeah, the final three is
40:10
Speaker 2: always interesting. I mean during Caitlin season was on the Bachelorette,
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Speaker 2: obviously Nick and Sean almost went to fisticuffs over the
40:17
Speaker 2: over the over the finals, and then when I was
40:21
Speaker 2: a bachelor, you know you do it is nerve wracking.
40:24
Speaker 2: I get what Grant was thinking, is Hey, is she
40:25
Speaker 2: going to get out there and just tear me up.
40:29
Speaker 2: It didn't happen in my scenario because I think I
40:32
Speaker 2: had I think, well, I think Jojo knew she was
40:35
Speaker 2: going to be the next Bachelorette, and so I think
40:37
Speaker 2: she was like, I'm going to come in here and
40:39
Speaker 2: just be kind and nice to Ben and then we're
40:43
Speaker 2: going to get out of here and I'm going to
40:44
Speaker 2: get announced as the Bachelorette and everything's gonna be good,
40:46
Speaker 2: which I'm very thankful for. Yeah, it's it's really hard
40:51
Speaker 2: for somebody in your seat though. I think Juliana, we've
40:55
Speaker 2: talked so much now about your experience on the show.
40:59
Speaker 2: I really want to know, are you glad you did it.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot right now that we've discussed, right like
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Speaker 2: a breakup that's been hard, and finding things out about
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Speaker 2: Grant that maybe didn't lend well towards a future relationship,
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Speaker 2: and then the friendships that have taken a pause. I'm
41:16
Speaker 2: not going to say they ended. I think they come back,
41:17
Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be really fun time
41:19
Speaker 2: for all of us. But as you sit here today,
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Speaker 2: are you glad that you went on this show?
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Speaker 5: I think that that's an easy yes. You know, I
41:28
Speaker 5: wouldn't have had the experiences. I wouldn't have grown into
41:32
Speaker 5: the person that I am. And I also, frankly don't
41:34
Speaker 5: think I would have been dating, you know, if I
41:38
Speaker 5: didn't go on that. I was why I was such
41:40
Speaker 5: a like, I don't know, I just was not dating before.
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Speaker 5: I didn't date anybody, I like.
41:46
Speaker 4: To say with me, but I was like so nervous
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Speaker 4: about it, and then afterward I was like, whatever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to date on TV, you can do it in
41:52
Speaker 3: real life totally.
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Speaker 5: And I just think, you know, I've grown a lot,
41:56
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm like, I'm just so thankful for
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Speaker 5: it all, and for all of the obstacles that I've
42:02
Speaker 5: had to overcome, Like I just feel I'm different in
42:06
Speaker 5: a good way. And there are some things that I
42:08
Speaker 5: see about myself now that I love. And there are
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Speaker 5: some things I see about myself that I've been paying
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Speaker 5: a little bit more attention to and trying to work on.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: So I think all around, if you look at it
42:19
Speaker 5: through the right lens, you know, you can't go wrong
42:22
Speaker 5: dating on TV.
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Speaker 6: I agree.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 4: Wait, I want to give you an opportunity to talk
42:27
Speaker 4: about your clothing line with your sister.
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Speaker 6: Oh thank you, Oh my god, that's so sweet. It's
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Speaker 6: going so well.
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Speaker 5: It's called Nice Girls Label and it is an honor
42:38
Speaker 5: of my grandmother, whose phrase was it's nice to be nice.
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Speaker 5: And it's really just building a community of women, mostly
42:46
Speaker 5: in Boston, but we do sell our clothes online, but
42:49
Speaker 5: we have all different events going on. We're partnering with
42:52
Speaker 5: a bunch of local businesses, brands, foundations to just have
42:58
Speaker 5: fun and create a community of of coziness and love and.
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Speaker 3: Love the cozy.
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Speaker 4: This is one thing I say that's always worth either
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Speaker 4: spending on or gifting it is cozy clothes because you.
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Speaker 3: Know they'll always be worn. I you know, buy jeans oh.
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Speaker 4: My gosh, the amount of jeans that are in my
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Speaker 4: closet that are never worn, but the amount of yoga
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Speaker 4: pants and sweatpants that are worn, They're just always worth
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Speaker 4: the bod.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, totally. I live in loungewear. I'm literally wearing
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Speaker 6: like I like live in it, especially in the winter.
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Speaker 6: I'm like, you are not seeing me in like jeans?
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Speaker 3: Ever, I love never never in jeans in the winter
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Speaker 3: it's too cold.
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Speaker 2: Nice girls label dot com is where people can go
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Speaker 2: to find it. I love this conversation because my wife,
43:43
Speaker 2: you know, I we've been living together for four years now.
43:48
Speaker 2: When she puts on jeans and like a nice shirt,
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Speaker 2: like I can, she wants me to notice because she's
43:55
Speaker 2: like I think she just is like I've lived in
43:58
Speaker 2: sweatpants and sweatshirts for so long that like, look at me,
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Speaker 2: I'm dressed up today, and I'm like, you look like
44:04
Speaker 2: you look every day going to school and now, oh
44:10
Speaker 2: my gosh, I know, thinking.
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Speaker 4: About like what I would wear to college and grad
44:14
Speaker 4: school and especially high school.
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Speaker 6: Oh my god.
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Speaker 3: You know college you have your.
44:18
Speaker 4: Webpans stays for sure, especially like before noon classes. But
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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I used to dress me too.
44:25
Speaker 3: I wore jeans every.
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Speaker 4: Single day to high school maybe at wear sweats like every.
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Speaker 6: Other week, like I did full glam.
44:32
Speaker 3: I like lamb.
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Speaker 6: I mean I've been like hang out with like fifteen
44:36
Speaker 6: year olds, I know.
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Speaker 4: And if I didn't do it before, I did it
44:41
Speaker 4: on the school bus and that everybody in the hallways
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Speaker 4: saw me put together.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I would never do makeup before seven am.
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Speaker 3: Now I never.
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Speaker 6: You're lucky if I put makeup on my face.
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Speaker 2: This is why Nice Girls label is not only needed
44:57
Speaker 2: right now, it's also building this community you spoke about.
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Speaker 2: I think gets I'm looking at the website. It's really great,
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Speaker 2: really and so sure you go check it out. Juliana,
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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on, Thanks for giving us the time
45:07
Speaker 2: this holiday season. It's it's really special to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: And goodness. I mean, I just want to say. My
45:15
Speaker 2: take from this is that what like I'm learning from
45:19
Speaker 2: you as I'm listening to you about how to like
45:21
Speaker 2: walk through something so uniquely weird. I'm not going to
45:25
Speaker 2: say difficult or hard or bad or good. It's just weird,
45:28
Speaker 2: and you're going to learn a lot about yourself. Do
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Speaker 2: us a favor, though, if this relationship ends up, any relationship,
45:35
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say this one. Don't put the pressure
45:36
Speaker 2: on it. If any relationship or any big things happen
45:40
Speaker 2: in your life, please let us know so you can
45:41
Speaker 2: come back on and talk to us. It would be
45:44
Speaker 2: a gift to keep keep track and not do all
45:46
Speaker 2: this weird guessing based on social media posts that have
45:48
Speaker 2: been put out there, or like, do they hate each other?
45:51
Speaker 2: Do they like each other? Were they ever together? Just
45:54
Speaker 2: now come on chat with us. It would be a
45:57
Speaker 2: gift to everybody listening and to Ashley myself. So, Juliana,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today.
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Speaker 6: Thank you guys so much for having me. Thank you
46:04
Speaker 6: brother so lovely.
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Speaker 3: All Right, we'll talk to you soon, hopefully. Until next time,
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Speaker 3: I've been Ashley.
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Speaker 2: And I've been Ben, We'll see you soon.
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