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Aaron Chadbourne- Segment 6 · Newsradio WGAN

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For more than 20 years, Inside Maine has connected you with the
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state's top voices, diving deep into the political stories
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shaping our lives on 98.5 FM, AM 560 and wgan.com.
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We are back. It is the home stretch Love
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Inside Main here on WGAN. I'm your host, Aaron Chadbourn.
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Phone lines are finally open. 879-9426 We had some calls at
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the beginning of the show and now is your time to get in.
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879-9426 That was fun though, having, you know, candidates.
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We had four of them. We'll have I think more than
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that next week because I already have 4 planned for the 1st 4
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segments next time. I think 5 planned for the 1st 4
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segments next time, but that was good.
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Did you learn anything new, Tony Randazzo, that you hadn't heard
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from any of these candidates before?
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Well, I just took taking it all in and I'm going to have to
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really, really, really listen to it again to to hear most of more
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new things things. I mean, there's a lot to think
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about. And that is a good reminder that
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all these interviews are up on wgn.com under podcast.
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Click inside main. You can catch our interviews
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today. We spoke to Garrett Mason.
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We spoke to Angus King the third.
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We chatted with Ben Midgley and then Owen McCarthy.
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Owen was in studio. In studio is always more fun.
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Jonathan Bush will be in studio next week.
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Oh, cool. Yeah, he'll be in studio.
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Bobby Charles will be by phone. I've got Robert Wessels, Shanna
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Bellows lined up by phone. Doctor Shaw will be by phone.
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We're still finalizing a time and then just waiting to hear
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back from the others. But we put out the call to all
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of them. Rick Bennett's people reached
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out so we might have him as well. 8799426 First up is Jeff
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and Gray. What's up Jeff?
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Hey, how are you? Aaron good.
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It's Jeff Bubble from Gray. I just wanted to comment on the
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difference in the tone and the interview between Dan Midgley
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and Owen and. My tone or their tone?
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Their tone. OK, good.
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Their tone. I'm I'm not qualified to comment
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on your tone. I'm no announcer.
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I'm just a loudmouth. No, I was just like, Oh my gosh,
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I used a different tone with them, but I don't think I did.
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But all right, go ahead. The difference in tone.
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What did you get from the difference between them?
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Well, just the, you could hear the, the ability to kind of put
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their thoughts in order quicker, more concisely.
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I thought as far as how they would get things done, Angus
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always seemed to be thinking about how he was going to defer
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to other government officials to get anything done.
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Like have I felt like he didn't have any of his own thoughts?
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I don't really know him or anything about him much other
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than that, you know, you know what he is.
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I just worry that much as we've much as we've seen with our last
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politically connected governor and her family, is that we're
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going to get more of, you know, what we had with his father
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where, you know, you, you put all these proposals in, you do
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all these things. Like, for instance, the laptop.
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You give kids laptops and then no ways to hook them up and then
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leave the schools on the hook for Tonville.
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What to do with the laptops? I don't want anymore.
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I don't want any more people coming in then after they get
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done, I'm going to use their influence to better their own,
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excuse me, better their own businesses AKA wind, etcetera.
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And I don't I just don't trust them.
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But the main thing I hear is I don't hear the competency in his
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when he's talking to you that I heard in the other two.
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Ben and on both sound a lot more qualified to me.
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That's my personal opinion, Sir. Thanks for the call, Jeff.
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Appreciate it. 879-9426. I think, you know, it's
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interesting because all three of them come from the business
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world. Angus did mention that he worked
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early in politics in the Clinton White House.
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And no, I think it's interesting Point of contrast, interesting
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story that I've heard about Angus King in the laptop
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program, his dad. The the story I've heard, I
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haven't verified this though, about where the idea came from
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and why they did it. You know, everyone thinks that
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was his big long term plan. He had this whole idea about the
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laptops. What I heard is he was at a
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conference and he was going to be giving a speech and he asked
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his staff. He said, I have to announce
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something that people will remember.
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And so they just kind of came up with it on the fly. 1 laptop per
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child. That was what he thought they
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would announce. And then once he announced it,
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they had to do and deliver on it, which then also makes sense
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why it wasn't well thought out, well executed at the beginning.
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But then it became his signature thing that he did.
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It's because he had at a policy conference he was speaking at,
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he needed to come up with something flashy to to announce
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which interesting. Sometimes that's how things
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happen in politics and policy. 879-9426 Next up is our good
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friend Mike and Harp Cell. What's up, Gunny?
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Hey, put your lawyer hat on for a heartbeat, will you?
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Oh, do I have to? Just for a minute, Monday night
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at midnight, the five year statue of limitations will run.
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I'm Anthony Fauci for perjury before Congress.
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I can't believe the Justice Department is not moved on this.
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Now they have moved on David Moran, the one underneath him at
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the National Institute of Health.
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They have indicted him for destroying evidence and other
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records. Now Bobby Kennedy has been
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working with Rand Paul. There's been over 4 criminal
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referrals from the Senate on this and just no movement at
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DOJI. Don't get it.
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I don't get it at all. Yeah, no, I think it's
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interesting. I think it's probably a hard one
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for them to win or even indict. And then maybe they've tried in
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the grand jury. We don't know if the grand jury,
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they've tried and they failed because you have to do it.
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Of course, if you're going to prosecute, you're doing it in
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Washington, DC, where it's a very sympathetic, you know,
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population. I don't know.
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I think if you want to get fouchy, though, just have him
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back in and subpoena him again, Get him to come back and lie
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again. He'll do it.
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You know he will. He'll perjure himself in front
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of Congress. If they do that after the
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pardon, the 5th Amendment does not apply.
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Yeah. So that would be another way to
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go. But you know what I'm saying.
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So I just wanted to check. Would you think what you?
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And maybe that's why they haven't done it too, because
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they don't want it because of the pardon.
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They they're yeah, I forgot about that.
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That's another another theory of the case, but it's interesting.
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Yeah. I don't know.
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I think at the end of the day, like the Justice Department I
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had, I don't know if you've, if anyone's been listening to me on
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the radio, I got a lot of Flack from listeners of this program,
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listeners of Howie Show and other places because I've had my
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list of people that I didn't want to see in the that I
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thought should maybe be replaced in the Trump administration.
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High on the list, very high on the list were Christy Noem and
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Pam Bondi. Christy Noem and Pam Bondi were
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too. Christy Noem, I thought never
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should have been picked. She was a surprising pick,
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didn't have a background in law enforcement, cared more about
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her own image. I thought she should be gone and
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she was one of the 1st to go. So glad to see her her replaced.
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And then Pam Bondi I've been very disappointed on.
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I thought the way that she handled the Epstein scandal, the
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way that she made all these promises about the binders,
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there just wasn't a there there. I do think she was a better pick
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than Matt Gaetz. I don't know why Trump ever did
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it. You know, they're on a flight
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together and Matt Gaetz convinced him that it would make
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liberals heads explode if he nominated them and then they had
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to withdraw him because he couldn't be confirmed.
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Pam Bondi was better than that, but she was a disappointment.
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I thought she needed to go. Also on my list to remind people
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our secretary of I guess he calls himself Secretary of War,
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Pete Hagseth. I don't think he's up for the
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job. I don't think he knows what he's
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doing. And Cash Patel, those are the
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four that I've had on my list this whole time.
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Cash Patel, you know, he's, he's seeming to weather these
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scandals that keep coming up. I wasn't after him for any of
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these reasons other than I just don't think he has the right
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background in law enforcement to do the job and to do it
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effectively. And like he seems to be a
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lightning rod for scandal. Well, I think the problem with
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Gnome and Bondy was it was never a camera they could go past.
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If you get my drip, you know what I mean?
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It it it if there was a camera they wanted to be in front of
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it, they were all flash and no dance, you know what I mean?
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So all right, I'll let you go. Yeah, thanks for the call, Mike,
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879-9426. I mean, I don't know that Bondy
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was as guilty of the the camera thing as Christy Noem was, but
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even replacing, replacing Christy Noem with Mark Wayne
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Mullen, like he wouldn't have been my choice either.
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I don't have the same objections to him that I did as the former
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governor of South Dakota, but I do I I, I do wish that Trump had
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picked someone with a law enforcement background.
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That's who I would have liked to have seen in that role, a
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governor, former attorney general, a former, you know, law
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enforcement officer. I would like to see someone with
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that because that's what inspires confidence in the
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people that you have to lead in that department.
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And, and, and by the way, I don't think senators make good
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cabinet officials. The one exception though, that I
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have to say, I think Marco Rubio.
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Marco Rubio, I think his way outperformed anything I expected
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from him, both in terms of his relationship with the president
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and his way to deliver on the job performance. 879-9426 Next
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up, Ethan from Sacco. Ethan, what's up today?
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Aaron, I would add to that list of people who who used to be
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good women, who used to be good looking in Trump's cabinet and
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and the cash Patel. I mean, he'll, he has a look of
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he looks like an active shooter and he's running our FBI.
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Ha, ha, ha. Anyway, there's there's my intro
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joke. Is that about his appearance?
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Like I mean, I feel in control what they look like.
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I care more about their job. I know, I know that's it's not,
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it's not fair to pick apart with how they look.
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But hey, there are public, there are public figures.
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We can do that. No, I just wanted to comment
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briefly on your your show good show having them guys in there
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and, and, and and if I could overall just say we a thumbnail
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or headline for my call. It's, I don't know if we're
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going to vote our way out of this, but having said that, so.
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We should abolish democracy. Get rid of it, No.
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Voting. Well, yeah.
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Oh, my God, we're we're living in it.
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Yeah, it's a, it's a crony capitalist corruptocracy at this
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point. But let me come back to that and
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just say Angus King the third. Oh my God, listen, go back and
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listen to that. He said if there was a political
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correctness, you know, glossary, he would have picked every
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single word term out of it. He sounds just like one of
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these, another one of these Democrats who, who don't really,
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we're going to get more of the same.
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So we got to get some, we got to get a Republican in there and,
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and, and, and independent Rick Bennett.
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He's got to get out because he's just going to steal votes away
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from Republicans. And then we're going to end up
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with another Democrat in more, 8 more years of this crap.
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And I'm sick and tired of it. Really.
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This, This is why I say we're never going to vote our way out
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of this. And we don't need a great Grand
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Platinum revolution because he's he is just another one of them.
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Well, so, but that's the, that's what's the counter to what
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you're saying though, right? So like right now, let's focus
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on we got November is coming and we're going to see who's there
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then. But coming up, we have choices
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to make in the primary and it's so we're looking at the
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Democrats. If you're looking at the
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Democrats, your choice is Angus King, the 3rd Doctor Shaw,
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Shanna Bellows, Hannah Pingree and Troy Jackson, right?
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So of those five people, I think if you put them on a spectrum,
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Angus King, with his business background and some of the
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things he said and those platitudes being what he was
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describing as a Bill Clinton Democrat, puts him far to the
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right of Troy Jackson and Shanna Bellows, right?
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Well, but but listen, here's what about that what what you
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just said, he contradicted himself.
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He said I've spent my entire life in business and building
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companies. Well, then he just then he just
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says that he was worked for the Clinton administration and some
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other administration. He.
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Didn't say most of my life. He didn't say all of his life.
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He was, he was honest about it. He said most of my life.
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I said that too. I, I, I introduced him saying
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most of your life and he said most.
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And then he said the Bill Clinton because he was trying to
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claim that he has some government experience, which I
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do think is relevant, by the way.
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And I made that comment when Garrett Mason was on too.
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I said, you know, he's making an argument.
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I do think it's a weird political message to say I'm an
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insider. Send me in because most people
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think insiders are the problem, especially in the Republican
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primary voter. But I think that, you know what
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I said with Garrett Mason, something I think is really true
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is that having government experience is very, very
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important to knowing how to run the government and how to get
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what you want done. If you're just a pure outsider,
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a Bobby Charles, even Paula Page.
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Paula Page wasn't a pure outsider because he had been
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mayor of the city of Waterville. He knew how to do municipal
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budgets. He knew where the money came
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from for the state. He knew how to administer state
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programs. But he had a challenge coming in
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to understand how state government worked and how to get
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things done. It took him the whole first term
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to figure some of that out. He was, I think, a lot more
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effective in the second term. But at that point he didn't have
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control of the legislature. He had to work with Democrats
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and everything. But Aaron, Aaron, if the whole
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thing is corrupt, then maybe we do need to.
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't say burn the whole thing down like Graham
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Plattner says. I would say almost do that.
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But Graham Plattner is actually, this may seem self-centered, but
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I think he was because they knew I was going to run against Susan
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Collins, which now I'm I'm looking to not do because of the
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signature thing. But but he they they chose him
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because he was modeled he to model him after me because I am
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the real anti establishment. I am the real back to the
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Constitution, back grassroots. He is not he.
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Do you have any? Do you have any tattoos you want
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to tell us about Ethan? I don't like, I don't have any
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tattoos. I never have like how's?
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Your how's your Reddit history? Well, look, every no, well, God,
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I go on spaces. I spent thousands of hundreds of
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hours on X spaces and I can back every little I've been, I've
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been into some white supremacist spaces and I argue with them and
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they throw me out and I come back and I argue we had.
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This is how we this is where we have to go.
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This is the future, by the way, on X spaces and stuff, but I
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don't know, ashamed of my history.
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I'm not. This is how we need to forge the
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future and and if we're going to hang, hang America to hold on to
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America, we're going to have to ask all these white questions
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and the and the America first questions, Israel last
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questions. And that Anyway, I can tell I'm
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running late and I've taken a lot of your time and I
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appreciate it. So Aaron, thank you.
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And I don't think we're going to vote our way out of this, but
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I'll have a surprise. Something surprising may be
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coming up where where people will have a last chance, a
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chance to to vote for to sign for me to get me on the ballot
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because I'll bring the best fight and keep Susan Collins
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hold her feet to the fire as well as the expose the the sham
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gram Instagram platitude platiner.
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Thank you. But.
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Maybe maybe you should good to talk to you, Ethan.
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Maybe he should. Do you remember on Seinfeld when
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Kramer had like the real Kramer to like the kid sold the story
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to like Jay Peterman? So he was like the real Peterman
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and that was modeled after on real life.
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That's right. The guy they based the character
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on and did a thing that they were, he was like the real
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Kramer and he do the real Kramer tours.
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That's what Ethan should do. He should say I'm the real Grand
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Platner. He should do the real Grand
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Platner tour. He could use that campaign bus
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that he had that he had painted Ethan for whatever he learned
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for last time, like he he's all set.
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He'd be the real Grand Platner tour.
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Ethan money making idea. And you know what?
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I'll just take a 10% royalty of any of the ticket sales.
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You can mail it to my attention, Aaron Chadbourne at WGAN
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Studios, Portland, Portland Media Group.
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They'll they'll get it to me. I might.
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I probably would make more for that than I make filling in here
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on Inside Main 879-9426. We got about four minutes left
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in the show if anyone wants to call in.
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I do want to point out all four interviews that you did are up
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online, so if anybody wants to. If you missed interviews.
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Yeah, if you missed any of those interviews, it's up on wgan.com.
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Go on inside or go on to podcasts and look for Inside
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Main and. They were all up there and if
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you want to hear, you know, Ethan was saying people should
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re listen to Angus King so they can hear his platitudes.
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They can listen to Angus King and hear his his what he had to
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say. Well, he wanted you to listen to
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it. You know, it's funny, which is
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funny. Ethan was.
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He was. Standing by everything, he was
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starting when he said he went to the white nationalist spaces.
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I didn't know what he was saying, if he was like one of
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them, but no, he didn't. He was saying he was arguing
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with the white nationalist white spaces.
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But then I was I was going to ask him about anti-Semitism and
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he he did get like the Israel dig in there at the end, but I
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was more problematic is what he has to say about Israel and and
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and the Jewish people. So glad we didn't go into that
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territory with Ethan Alcorn today.
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But the phone line is still open, 879-9426.
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I think it's a good day. I think I didn't get a chance to
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talk about the Collins race and Grand Platter and Janet Mills.
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We'll save that for another day. I do think that with the primary
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being decided on the Senate side with Grand Platter and Susan
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Collins, my focus right now, this last month before the
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primaries is going to be where people have a choice to make.
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And that choice is on the gubernatorial side.
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There's one more televised debate coming up this week for
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the Republicans. I'm not sure how many more the
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Democrats have. I did watch theirs.
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I thought Greg Lagerquist did a great job moderating the
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Democrat debate. I saw a lot.
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It was interesting. Very, very different dynamics
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playing out. But we'll try to get as many of
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them as we can next week. We had four today.
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There are what, 7 Republicans and five Democrats?
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That's 12. We got 4 out there, 8 left.
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I don't think I'm going to get all 8 next week, but I already
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have 5 confirmed. So we'll have five of them next
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week. We've got, yeah, we've got Bobby
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Charles. We'll start off the show with at
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the 10 O clock hour. Then we've got Jonathan Bush in
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studio, followed by Robert Wessels and Shanna Bellows and
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and Doctor Shaw's. People said that he'll be the
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5th. We're just going to get his
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time. And then if we don't get the
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Democrats or the Republicans on, we'll get Rick Bennett on.
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So we'll have at least 6 candidates for governor next
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week on a marathon edition of Inside Maine.
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I think that'll be good. It'll be, I think I said before,
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I thought I was on before. I don't think I'm on.
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I think Sean has the last show before the primary.
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So I think this might be my last time before the gubernatorial
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primary and it'll be my last time to make good on my New
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Year's resolution, which was to get each of them on.
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And so now that I got that is fantastic.
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I got Garrett Mason. I got Angus King.
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Nirav Shah is the one white whale.
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I've had him on the show before. I had him on maybe Matt's show
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when? During the pandemic, but yeah,
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during. The pandemic, he was calling in
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I think once a week. Yeah, I haven't had him on.
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And then he got mad at mad at some point and stopped doing it.
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But I haven't had him on as a candidate for governor, so I got
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it to get that done. He is the white whale to make
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good of my New Year's resolution that I announced when I was
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hosting the show with Jeremy Mixer.
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And then I'll have done it. I'm done.
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I think I'm going to get him. So that's the last one.
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But we'll have back all the others that I've had on before
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if they want. So we'll, we'll get those next
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week. Hope you'll, you'll join us and
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feel free to text in what you want me to ask for them as well.
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8799426 We'll keep, we'll keep a running total of that.
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But I think it's good. I think it now is the time.
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And, and, and Owen McCarthy made the argument that 40% of people
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make up their mind during that last seven days.
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And some of those 40% have been paying attention all the way
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along and are now deciding what to go.
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I'd probably put myself in that camp.
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I haven't decided who I'm going to rank, what I'm going to do.
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I will rank, I'll be voting in the Republican primary, but I
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still haven't picked who it's going to be.
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I might choose when I go in there.
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And I, I think that as you're making those decisions, figuring
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out what's actually different, what's going to be different.
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And I think in some of our conversations today, I've been
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very excited that we've gotten them to go beyond that prepared
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talking points that they give during the election.
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And the texters have been very active.
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If I didn't get your question in, I read it.
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I tried. Thank you to all of you who've
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been texting and listening. Hope you'll be back with us next
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week here on INSIDE Maine starting at 10 o'clock 12:50
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next Saturday on INSIDE Maine. I have been your host, Aaron
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Chadbourne. I will be your host again next
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week. And we'll continue going down
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the line of people running for governor.
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Until next time, this has been INSIDE Maine.
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Thanks for being with us. Great show, great day.
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Check out the podcast on wgan.com.
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We'll see you next week.