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163: Sunlight, Homeopathy, and Regenerative Farming: A Systems Approach to Healing with Heathar Shepard · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

• 6:24
  Okay, Heather Shepard, welcome
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  back to the QVC podcast.
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  All right, so this is going to be fun. I always have such a good
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  time talking to you. Let's start
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  for, you know, people who have joined recently
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  and haven't heard your crazy story, let's just start
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  with that and how you came into the world of
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  light and quantum healing and now
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  quantum regenerative farming. I like that.
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  I like that we use that. Yeah,
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  absolutely. So, so I'll do a, a short
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  synopsis. So I think like many of us,
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  I've had like many lives this lifetime. So
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  when, when I was 23, up till that point I was training
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  professional athletes and you know, weightlifting and training
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  and endurance and, and that was my world. And I was working for
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  an amazing corporate company. You know what I thought at the time? And I
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  was like, yes, I've like got this figured out
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  is this is it, you know, working with
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  NFL guys and NBA and this like tiny little five
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  foot me, like training these guys
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  and I'm like, awesome. And.
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  But that changed and
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  long at all. One day I was driving to work
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  and you know, it was so weird. When I look back on,
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  on that day, it's so vivid. I like remember laying in my bed and
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  I'm like, oh, I don't want to get out of bed today. Which is
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  not a normal feeling for me. I'm like a 5:30am or like,
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  let's go, let's milk these cows, let's watch sunrise,
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  you know, so, so I was like,
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  oh, like, you know, whatever. Didn't pay attention to my intuition
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  at the time and definitely still working on that, but
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  pushed right through it. And I'm driving to work and just
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  myself in the car, lost control of my car and
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  split a telephone pole in two. It was
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  some, oh no, oh yeah. Some sort of act of God. Like
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  obviously this was not the trajectory
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  of my life and that event made it
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  very clear. So I hit my head on the
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  steering wheel, passed out. The jaws of
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  life had to come get me out of the car. I had a really bad
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  tbi. All my scans were clear,
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  however, thankfully. But I had a lot of
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  residual effect from that accident.
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  I couldn't work out the way I used to, even though I had all
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  these clearance letters from doctors like, you're clear, you're clear, no problem.
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  And I was like, oh, but I can't do that
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  right. That story we hear so often where it's like, your labs
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  are fine, your scans are clear, you're good. And the patient is like,
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  I don't Feel good? Yeah. It's like, wait, I
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  literally can hardly walk to the bathroom without getting a
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  migraine or vertigo. And this, like, went
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  on for years.
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  And at the time I was. I was 23, I had no idea. Like, I
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  tried everything alternative because there's really no
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  western approach to. Not that there's any good western approach
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  for any condition, but really.
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  For a tbi, it's just like, well, good luck, you know,
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  and. Yeah, well, your scans are clear, so see
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  ya. Yeah, we can't help you. Nothing else we can do here,
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  so. Oh, man. So then it was just like, am I ever gonna
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  get better? It was literally like five, six, seven years just kept going
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  by. And I learned how to manage, but
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  definitely symptomatic every day. And then it went into the mental emotional
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  realm because I'm like, what? Like something's really wrong with
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  me. And I started having panic attacks and it was. It was really
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  debilitating. And so
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  I finally tried acupuncture, which provided some relief, which
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  took me into acupuncture school and those
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  treatments, I love acupuncture, but they were short lasting for
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  my tbi. And
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  I just happened to have a really bad breakup when I was in
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  acupuncture school. And I was like, I'm moving
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  to the desert because I was in Portland, Oregon, going to acupuncture school. And I
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  was like, I'm going to the desert. I got to get out of here. This
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  was like, not a fun experience.
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  And so I get to the desert and it's like, you know,
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  Portland, like, I know some people love rain. I think
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  it's like, it's not good for, for my constitution,
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  personally. And I got to New Mexico and I was
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  like, oh, my God, the sun comes out
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  every day. Every day, Every day. It's not
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  damp ever. Ever. It's like, there's no.
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  Hardly any mold, no damp. It's like, whoa.
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  Okay. So my body, like really resonated with
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  the dryness with the sun on. And it
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  wasn't long after that I just happened to hear a podcast
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  of like light water magnetism. I
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  think it was a. With Jack Cruz, you know, And I was like,
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  wait a minute, I'm in the, like, ideal, like a pretty ideal environment
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  for this. And I started
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  diving into that. I started, okay, sunrise. And I like,
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  I couldn't do much, so that's all I did. It was like I was in
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  a position where I couldn't show up to a job. I couldn't stay there
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  very long, you know, without having symptoms. So I Was like,
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  the hell with it. I'm just going to do this thing.
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  And I was watching the sunrise and then I started to piece together. Oh,
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  you have the sunrise, the uva, the uvb, then you go back
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  down towards in the other direction. And
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  I, I stayed outside as I like, just
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  stayed outside most of the day. And
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  I'm like, I'm not kidding. By day three, I was like,
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  let's go. Oh my God.
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  I was worried. I was like, this cannot be
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  from sunlight. After like 10 years of
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  trying, like, spending all my student loan money,
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  went to healing. It was like, oh, I'm not gonna show up to class.
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  I'm just gonna go get sessions and eat good food and,
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  and. But none of that helped. And then I get this
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  free thing outside of my door and it's
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  like, oh, what? It was, it was
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  what? Yeah, that's crazy. So it was like, within a
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  few days. Oh yeah. Your symptoms were starting to clear up. You could,
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  you could have a normal day as opposed to a day filled with
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  headaches and dizziness and I could. Have a normal
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  day. I could actually now start practice and make money
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  and like, you know, all of these like, my whole life changed.
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  And it was like just from
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  learning how to use sunlight to heal my brain
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  and the mitochondria were just like, oh, my God, feed me, feed me, feed me.
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  Yeah. And that's how my
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  journey into the quantum world really started.
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  And it's definitely
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  taken off from there. But, yeah, that's how I got,
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  that's how I got here. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And, and
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  I've heard your story before, but I actually forgot how really
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  crazy it is. Right. Like to have this longstanding
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  issue. Yeah. And now that we understand, so. And maybe we can
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  talk about that a little bit. And like, you know, it, it
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  sounds like at first you were like, okay, really light.
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  I'll, I'll do that experiment. It's free. I'm in New Mexico.
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  Let's. Let's see what happens now. And then you
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  got like, just insane recovery time
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  and results. So how would you explain now, like, what your
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  understanding of is, like, what happened when you put your body
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  outside in that sunlight? Oh, my gosh. So
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  I'll say at first my body, like,
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  soaked it up like a sponge. And I'd say, like,
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  after two years I was of doing this regularly, I
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  was a completely different person. And I could actually scale my
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  practice back without with while still feeling like
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  a normal person or whatever that means still feeling good in my body.
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  Right. So you didn't need to be outside all day. You could. Yeah,
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  mix. Mix it up a little and you were recovered enough to be able to.
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  Yeah, exactly. Feel good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And
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  of course, I was doing. I was starting my homeopathy journey
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  at the time, so I was like, combining those two, and in a
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  couple years, I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I. I feel like I can
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  show up. I feel normal, you know,
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  from. For me. And. And.
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  But I was like, I had. Throughout
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  those two years, I had spent so much time outside in
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  nature, living more rurally and removed from
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  living in. In a more urban environment.
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  And I was like, I can't actually
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  go back to that. My body wouldn't let me.
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  It didn't want to do that. It was like, no, you have
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  to stay. And. And
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  I felt so much better. So it was like this whole
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  awakening to
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  living a totally different lifestyle, because up until, you
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  know, I got to New Mexico, I lived in a pretty, like, urban environment
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  and. And just thought, oh, and I know
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  it's really different now since. Especially since COVID
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  and everything went online, but I was like, oh, I have
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  to work a job and show up, and you have to be in the city
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  to do that, and I'm not going to be successful if not. And then
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  all that shifted. And so
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  I was like, oh, my gosh, I can do this. I can actually live where
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  I want to live, where my body feels really well
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  and feels the most regulated. And that,
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  like, immersion. That sunlight immersion therapy
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  I had for two years just opened the doors to this
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  whole other lifestyle. So.
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  And then, okay, let's weave in, because you also layered in
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  the homeopathy, which is a totally quantum
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  modality. And it's funny because I just did an interview, and now.
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  Now that we're talking, I think I'll. I'll do your interview. The week after
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  his. I just did an interview with a doctor
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  who's in the uk. He's been practicing for, like,
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  decades. He wrote a book in 1988 called Daylight
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  Robbery on how we weren't getting enough sunlight.
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  But he just. He more recently went down the quantum rabbit hole.
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  And he just was saying he was, like, always somewhat skeptical
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  of, like, homeopathy. He's an integrative physician, obviously not an
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  allopathic. But yeah, he was always kind of like, you know.
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  And then anyway, he's. He's done a deep dive on all
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  the things, including May Wen Ho. And he's like, now I see.
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  Yes, I see there is definitely.
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  And I'm like, well, if there's Homeopathy is there to, you see, is the
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  mech. Does the mechanism play out for telepathy and
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  intuition? He's like, I think probably yes.
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  Okay. I love it.
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  1988. That's. Yeah, yeah. He
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  was clearly following like the circadian research that was happening
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  at that time. Right. Like, because there was, when you. There was a
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  ton of research coming out that's like around the time they found the,
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  the SCN and all the clocks and everything. And so he was
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  clearly paying attention and he could
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  elucidate the benefits of sunlight even. Yeah. Even in the 80s, even though he
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  didn't know why. And now with the quantum piece, he can explain why.
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  But. Yeah. So anyway, all that to
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  say. I think I'd love to hear like, let's layer in the
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  homeopathy piece. Oh, I love that.
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  Equally as, as healing or, you know, it's hard to say
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  on a scale, but as sunlight therapy for,
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  for my brain. And it, it helped so immensely. Then I started, like, I
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  did a deep dive into studying that, went to school for it
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  and then when I graduated started practicing. I've been practicing
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  for over a decade and,
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  and I love this medicine. It is, it.
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  It is very much a quantum medicine for it's liter
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  of a substance in pellets or a liquid, whatever form you take.
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  And the, the results that I
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  had for my brain injury were like, oh my gosh.
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  Amazing, amazing, amazing.
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  And gosh. So I've been practicing
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  for 10 years and, and
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  have started a school which is now predominantly
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  online because most of my time goes cows and
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  cooking and so forth. But people were like,
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  please keep teaching. And I was like, yes, I will. Because really,
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  I'm not pleased with the programs that are the
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  education that's offered right now for, for homeopathy.
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  And I hope that will change. So
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  I also have an online program for
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  homeopathy. Amazing. And how do you, like,
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  how do you explain like, for a non. For a non
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  homeopath. Yeah. How do you see it
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  working from a, from a quantum perspective and light as well? I
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  mean, it all. Yeah, all in there. It is all in there.
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  I'm going to do my best to explain this so.
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  You can explain it as a metaphor. That's totally cool with me. I.
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  We don't have to get into. I just,
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  yeah. As I say, I just spent some time going deep, so I'm happy
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  to stay up high. You went down.
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  You went down into the. I was in the weeds a little. Yeah.
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  So let's go, let's go up. All right,
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  let's see if I can bring you out of that. So,
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  okay, so in homeopathy, people are always like, wait, is it like a
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  supplement? Is it a vitamin? Is it a. An herbal?
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  And the answer is no, it's none of those things.
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  It's kind of in its own category. You
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  have a plant, a mineral,
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  a metal, you have a
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  bacteria. And you take that substance, you dilute it
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  in alcohol or water for a period of time. It
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  depends on what you're making. And
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  then you dilute that, you take like a drop of that
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  substance, and then you do something, what's called
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  succus, which is just literally pounding that.
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  That remedy. And to make a. What's called a
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  potentized or activated remedy, you have to pound
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  it 6.02 times 10 to the 23rd
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  time. Okay,
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  okay, okay. So in
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  order to potentize that remedy
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  into a state that will. There's literally
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  the more. Use a cus. Or pound it. If you. When you get to that
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  number, there is zero amount
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  of the original substance remaining in those. Those
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  pellets that the original substance was immersed in.
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  So then you just have the energetics of that substance
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  on those pellets or in that liquid that you had just succussed.
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  This is why people are like, homeopathy is horseshit. There's not even anything
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  in it. It's just sugar pellets. And
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  I'm just like, the proof is in the pudding. I mean, it's just,
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  you can't deny the effects of this medicine,
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  but that's what makes it a quantum medicine, because you have
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  this thing that contains the energetics of the subst.
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  But actually there's no trace of the original substance
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  remaining in that remedy.
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  So. So that, in
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  a nutshell is. And people are like, can you, can you just make your own
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  remedies? I was like, no, you can't. Can you imagine, like, pounding
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  6.02 times 10 to the 20, literally? My teacher tried doing it
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  and broke his arm. And he's like, well, I'm not doing that again.
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  He's like, in his 90s now. And it's like, there
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  are actually some good uses for machines, and this is
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  one of them just to cause the
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  homeopathy revenue.
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  I wonder if anyone in Silicon Valley is making a robot for that.
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  Oh, I bet they are.
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  An AI bot that succusses your own remedy.
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  This is my homeopathy bot.
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  Oh, I think you're onto something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Okay. And then once you. So you know, for
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  working out of a quantum framework, which we are,
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  the energy Is arguably more
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  potent than the matter. Yes.
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  The material. Yes. And you can, you can
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  succeed that remedy greater than 6.02 times 10 to the 23rd.
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  And, and the more you do the, the, the more potent
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  that remedy is. Which we wouldn't think that we would
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  think like, oh, you know, the lower, the
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  more potent. No, but the more you actually succuss that remedy,
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  the more energetics of that substance, the
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  more potent that gets and the,
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  the stronger the effect that remedy will have in, in your body.
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  And so I don't want to say that like the higher, higher
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  potencies are better than the lower. They
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  just do different things. The more you use a cuss that they have different
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  healing capabilities. Like the higher
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  potencies you definitely want to use for things like head
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  injuries and mental emotional struggles. The lower
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  potencies you want to use more for like joint pain
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  and like physical issues. And let's say you get stung by
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  a scorpion or a bee though, that's when the lower
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  potencies, you know, work its best. And then the
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  higher ones are like panic attacks,
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  depression, head injuries,
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  intense pain after an injury. Let's say you drop like a block
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  a brick on your foot or something. And like
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  so they have, they both have their own roles,
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  but very. It's, it's interesting that the more you succuss
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  it, the like more
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  intense health issues it can successfully
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  address. And is that what
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  happened with your traumatic brain injury?
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  Yeah, it's really interesting because I had taken
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  Arnica Montana. It's probably the most common
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  homeopathic remedy. Moms give it to their kids like candy when
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  the kids are little and they fall and she's like, oh, take Arnica, take Arnica.
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  Right. And so usually we give it in like a 12C or a
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  30C. And so when I had my head injury, I was like, oh, I'll take
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  some Arnica. And I think I took like 30C, 200C.
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  And it wasn't until I learned about these higher potencies, which you
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  cannot buy. You can't walk into a store and buy them. You have to buy
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  them from an online pharmacy. And I took like a
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  10m 50m, which is a very, very high
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  potency in homeopathy. And, and that's what
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  turned things around for me. So I had the right remedy, I just
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  didn't have the right potency. Right,
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  yeah. So you were giving the,
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  on the one hand the homeopathic frequency and then on the other hand
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  the sunlight was like feeding your body to
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  be able to work with whatever.
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  No. How do you describe Sort of how those things. Yeah,
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  I think. How do you think about it? There's, there's an
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  article that I think it's really easy to find.
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  I think it's the effects. It's. It's like how
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  homeopathy affects the electron spin rate of.
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  And, and so there's a great article on that.
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  And so this is what I
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  think really helped. I think this, you can apply this to any
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  disorder. But with regard to my brain healing, it
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  totally changed how the electron spin rate in
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  my brain, in my mitochondria, and then I added the sun in there, which came
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  in and added the healing effects of red light, of UV light, of
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  uvb, and my brain just like
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  soaked all that up like, like a sponge. I was sleeping better,
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  I had better energy. My panic attacks went away.
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  It was, it was like this whole. It was this.
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  I. I can't even. It was just very
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  synergistic how they work together. Yeah, yeah.
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  And transformative. I mean,
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  it's really incredible because you are such a high energy person. I
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  know, me, like, trying to. No, I
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  can't sit here and read. Like, I love reading.
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  I read every day. But like to lay on the couch and read like
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  all day, it was just like I was ready to. Oh, my
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  God, I was. It was so hard.
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  Right? Because this sort of, this brings us into where you are now.
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  Like, given your full energetic capacity, you choose
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  to do things like start a regenerative farm.
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  I have to say, I don't know what, you know, for my
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  constitution, I'm like, oh, boy. Heather, I
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  don't know what you and Jen are up to. That's a lot of cows.
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  I think one time we were on a zoom and there were like baby pigs
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  in the mud room. Oh, yeah,
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  that's right. Yes. Yes. My God,
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  I forgot about that. Yes. You were like, yeah, they were getting
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  out of the pen, so we got to keep them inside till they get big
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  enough. Yeah. And there were four
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  baby piglets in our mudroom in this like, animal feed
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  trough. And I just like throw in scrambled eggs and, you know,
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  they were like, housing it. They loved it. I
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  bet. Yeah. So, like, walk us through,
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  you know. How do you, how are you even. How do you describe
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  regenerative farming as opposed to, you know,
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  just being organic or something like that? And
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  it's my understanding that regenerative farming
• 30:59
  is really like the key to the future of agriculture
• 31:03
  is my limited position. But I'm not like, I don't know
• 31:06
  a lot about it. That's just my impression So I wanted to get into it
• 31:10
  with you. Yeah, I think this is a great question, because
• 31:15
  I think it's like back in the day, we were like, organic,
• 31:19
  organic, organic. And this is the thing. And
• 31:22
  then suddenly, very recently, this
• 31:26
  whole regenerative movement came in.
• 31:30
  And instead of organic being here, we now have, like,
• 31:34
  organic here and regenerative definitely
• 31:37
  here. And so
• 31:42
  the standards are much, much different
• 31:46
  for regenerative versus organic. Like, if you have the
• 31:50
  choice, an ability to choose between
• 31:54
  organic beef and regenerative beef, you
• 31:57
  want to go with regenerative. And I'll break down
• 32:01
  why. So, okay. So
• 32:05
  regenerative is. Is unique in the sense
• 32:09
  that it involves animals. So organic,
• 32:13
  you don't necessarily need to involve animals. Okay. They don't even have
• 32:16
  to be part of the equation. Regenerative, you
• 32:20
  have animals on a piece of land,
• 32:24
  and that piece of land is broken up into parcels,
• 32:29
  and the animals stay in one parcel for a
• 32:33
  day. It depends on the farm. A few days,
• 32:37
  they eat the grass, the forage there,
• 32:41
  they defecate on it, they stomp on it,
• 32:46
  and then the farmer moves the
• 32:50
  animals to the next parcel. And so they're not allowed on
• 32:54
  that other parcel that they just stomped on and ate on and defecated on
• 32:58
  for a minimum of a few months
• 33:02
  in an ideal situation, a year or two. And
• 33:06
  so as that land rests,
• 33:10
  it regenerates. There's more life that comes
• 33:14
  to the land. There's more native grasses that are able to grow from that
• 33:18
  soil. The root systems are able to deepen
• 33:21
  down into the soil, preventing erosion. That's causing
• 33:25
  all of the basically, Big Ag causes so much
• 33:29
  erosion in the soil, we're losing our topsoil, which means
• 33:33
  the food we eat doesn't contain as many
• 33:36
  minerals or vitamins and nutrients as. As it once did.
• 33:41
  So with regenerative. So you can, you can have animals on this
• 33:45
  piece of land, like one of these parcels, for forever, and they could still be
• 33:49
  organic. If you're feeding them organic feed, you're not spraying anything.
• 33:52
  It's organic. But we're not considering the soil. We're
• 33:56
  not considering the biodiversity that that comes in and
• 34:00
  happens in regenerative. We're not
• 34:03
  considering the health of the animals. They need new land. They.
• 34:07
  They need to be rotated for their health
• 34:11
  and, and. And so forth. So,
• 34:15
  so that's a huge aspect of regenerative, is this movement
• 34:19
  of animals throughout different parcels
• 34:23
  to not only allow the animals to be
• 34:26
  healthier and get fresh forage as they move, but also
• 34:30
  to regenerate the land, to heal the topsoil
• 34:34
  to rebuild the nutrients in the soil.
• 34:38
  So from a nutrient standpoint,
• 34:42
  organic is. Is. Is down here now
• 34:45
  because we're not restoring the topsoil, we're not
• 34:49
  getting that mineral input that we are with regenerative.
• 34:53
  And so everyone's always like, oh, well, our food doesn't
• 34:57
  contain the minerals it used to and the nutrients.
• 35:01
  And I don't fully buy that, especially with regenerative. That's
• 35:04
  why I'm a big fan of that. And. But also,
• 35:08
  we, if we remember the period of the Dust bowl and
• 35:12
  how much, you know, topsoil got displaced during that time as
• 35:15
  well. I think this has always been a struggle of, of our.
• 35:20
  Of our world is how to. How to maintain the
• 35:23
  topsoil. And I think we're in a place right now
• 35:28
  with people becoming more aware of regenerative and what it
• 35:32
  actually does to help. I don't know about
• 35:36
  solve, but definitely improve that issue.
• 35:39
  That's a small snippet on the, on the difference.
• 35:44
  Also. Regenerative, the animals have to be outside. You can't like, fake it
• 35:47
  like organic. You can keep organic hens
• 35:51
  inside, all crowded. They don't get access to outside,
• 35:55
  and they're considered organic eggs. You can't do that. You can't
• 35:58
  like, fake regenerative. You can't put them on like Astroturf and keep them.
• 36:04
  I mean, at least not yet. Who knows what they'll think of. But, you know,
• 36:07
  it's like, yeah, yeah, so. So
• 36:11
  you are so regenerative. You are
• 36:15
  like, just by nature of what that means getting food
• 36:19
  and animals that were grown under sunlight. Yes,
• 36:23
  yes. Grew up under sunlight, ate food that was grown under
• 36:26
  sunlight. Exactly, exactly. Yes.
• 36:30
  And the amount of wildlife that also returns
• 36:34
  to these landscapes that are
• 36:37
  regeneratively farmed is insane. Like the bird populations, the
• 36:41
  bee populations that are returning. Because once you let
• 36:44
  that land rest like this mimics what. What the bison
• 36:48
  did, you know, before we went and
• 36:52
  slaughtered them, because the bison would just.
• 36:56
  They would roam. They would roam and there was like heaps of
• 37:00
  these antlers. The deer and the antelope roam. Right,
• 37:03
  exactly. Exactly. And so then all these wild grasses would
• 37:07
  come and grow and the wildlife would come and grow. And after the
• 37:10
  bison moved on because that land was so
• 37:14
  lush and rich and nutrient dense. And
• 37:17
  so we went way away from that with, with
• 37:21
  conventional farming, big ag and. And
• 37:25
  feedlot farming. So this is
• 37:29
  an awesome time in the world for
• 37:32
  regenerative farming. And it's like the timing spot on
• 37:36
  because we're in serious trouble. But this is a
• 37:40
  huge, A huge. Can
• 37:43
  help correct the issue for sure.
• 37:47
  Okay, so this is super cool. So you
• 37:52
  and your wife decided to actually put this into
• 37:55
  practice. So listen, I,
• 37:59
  I have all the respect in the world for people who just, like, do stuff,
• 38:03
  right? It's like I could, I've watched a documentary on regenerative
• 38:06
  farming. You have created a regenerative farm.
• 38:13
  Listen, I'm not even. Why.
• 38:18
  When I was like, let's. I was like, let's buy a
• 38:21
  dairy cow. Because this was during COVID
• 38:25
  Because they're going to take my favorite food away. Butter.
• 38:29
  And so literally my impetus was, let's just
• 38:32
  get a dairy cow and we can have our own source of butter. So naive.
• 38:37
  So,
• 38:40
  so no idea what I was getting into. I didn't
• 38:44
  even know what regenerative meant when I got the first cow. I literally had
• 38:48
  no idea. And he got her and I was like, I
• 38:52
  started doing all the research and I was like, oh, my God.
• 38:59
  It all starts with one cow. It starts with one. And I
• 39:02
  will say, if you want a cow, you do not buy one cow. Because
• 39:06
  that cow will not shut up. It'll move and it'll move
• 39:10
  and it'll bother your neighbors and they'll say, what's wrong with your
• 39:14
  cow? And you'll be like,
• 39:18
  they're herd animals. She needs friends. So now here
• 39:21
  come all the freaking cows.
• 39:27
  This is how it started, to be honest. Here's
• 39:31
  our regenerative plan and we're going to have this real nice, you know, laid
• 39:35
  out. No, we didn't even.
• 39:41
  We just wanted some real butter. Yeah,
• 39:45
  that's how it started. And now I love it. We're
• 39:49
  totally into it and we live in the desert, so
• 39:53
  there's no like dairy cows here. It just wasn't really a thing
• 39:56
  ever. I mean, so now we're
• 40:00
  ordering bull semen online
• 40:06
  so we can have unbaxxed, non antibiotic
• 40:10
  treated Jersey A2, A2
• 40:14
  protein cows as our herd.
• 40:18
  Because you literally. They just don't exist around here. So
• 40:23
  I'm telling you, it's become a whole thing. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm
• 40:27
  gonna have to follow. Have some follow up questions.
• 40:33
  What happens after the bull semen arrives in the mail?
• 40:39
  Yes, we are. Of course, we're, you know, we're
• 40:42
  lesbians, but we're, we're. The semen is for our cows,
• 40:50
  Not for us, not for our cow.
• 40:54
  Noted. Note. So
• 40:58
  it's a whole thing. You need a cryo tank. You need, you need
• 41:02
  to store it in this cryo tank. And
• 41:06
  my wife was. Was a midwife in her past life. So she
• 41:09
  has like, of course, she never delivered a calf.
• 41:16
  So it's like we went down this whole rabbit hole.
• 41:20
  But we, We've. Right now we have a vet
• 41:23
  teaching my wife how to inseminate because I'm, I'm not. That's not
• 41:27
  like, on my to. There's like, no, no fridge too
• 41:31
  far. I'm all set with her. I'm out.
• 41:36
  But that comes and he hurts the straw
• 41:39
  right now, Jen, how to do it. And.
• 41:44
  And at first, you know, to impregnate a cow.
• 41:47
  Most people who do AI with artificial insemination with the
• 41:51
  cow, they give them all these hormones so they
• 41:55
  know exactly when they're ovulating. And our
• 41:58
  vet initially was like, listen, we have to do
• 42:02
  these hormones before we inseminate her. And we're like, oh, no, we
• 42:06
  don't. We don't, because we know when she's ovulating.
• 42:10
  Like, she moves incessantly. She jumps the fence
• 42:13
  looking for a bull, which we don't have.
• 42:19
  She's absolutely unbearable. And
• 42:23
  we're like, we know. He was convinced he would
• 42:26
  not come and do it because he was convinced we did not know when she
• 42:30
  was ovulating. We were like, we're women and we
• 42:33
  can. If you. Cow ovulation fluid is like, so.
• 42:41
  Or like, oh, dude, she's ovulating. He's like,
• 42:44
  fine. And he came, like, to spite us. And it's every single time
• 42:48
  he's like, huh, she's in heat. We're like, no,
• 42:52
  we know.
• 42:58
  So it's. The
• 43:01
  learning curve has been steep, but, but very. And rapid.
• 43:07
  It always is, especially with
• 43:10
  cows. Lots of them. So did she have. So. But she
• 43:14
  did have a baby. Oh, that's right. Because we were going to do our interview
• 43:17
  and then we had to change. It because you guys were birthing a cat.
• 43:21
  Yes, that's right. Yes.
• 43:25
  I'm like,
• 43:29
  so how's the baby? Oh, my God. She's. She's a
• 43:32
  spitfire. She's great. Oh, my gosh. She runs and she
• 43:36
  bucks and she kicks and she eats all the milk and she's.
• 43:40
  A lot of people separate their calf and cow as soon as the calf is
• 43:43
  born, but we do not do that. We keep the calf.
• 43:47
  Cow together. It's like watching them bond
• 43:50
  is. Is like, if you think cows are just like, dumb animals, they
• 43:54
  are so smart. They're so connected. They're so,
• 43:58
  like, family oriented. They.
• 44:02
  They're. They're incredible beings and,
• 44:06
  and very stubborn also. And.
• 44:10
  But you know, they're, they're amazing. And so
• 44:14
  the calf is, is doing great. Her name's Georgia. We call
• 44:17
  her Little Wheat Thin because she's so tiny still.
• 44:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and we
• 44:25
  just impregnated. We just did AI on our, on our. One of our other dairy
• 44:29
  cows. So she'll be due in July. So.
• 44:33
  Yeah. That's amazing. Okay, so,
• 44:37
  so tell me, you know,
• 44:42
  I'm not actually coming to you with this, but hypothetically, if I was coming
• 44:46
  to you with a plan to start a regenerative farm, I
• 44:50
  like to go to the farmer's market and support
• 44:54
  other farmers, but I'm myself, I'm not a farmer.
• 45:00
  So. But I would like to know, like, how, like, what would your advice
• 45:04
  be now that you've done this? And, and is it something that,
• 45:08
  you know, people could just do, like maybe when they've retired
• 45:12
  or, or is it like a real. Does it, is
• 45:15
  it take over your life in a way that you wouldn't recommend that, like just
• 45:18
  all your thoughts. It doesn't have to
• 45:22
  take over your life if you don't get milking animals.
• 45:29
  We have dairy cows, which they have to be milked every morning. So,
• 45:32
  okay, either we. You by me or,
• 45:36
  or by somebody we train, you know, one of our farm hands,
• 45:40
  which is, it's not high on most people's
• 45:43
  priority list, but if it's high on any of your priority lists, feel free to
• 45:47
  send me an email. Anyone would like to intern.
• 45:52
  Yes, the dairy cows. Heather's accepting applications.
• 45:55
  Okay. That's right. Yes.
• 45:59
  So but if, let's say you wanted beef
• 46:03
  cows or, or you wanted
• 46:07
  a flock of, of chickens or you
• 46:10
  wanted to raise sheep for, for meat or
• 46:14
  fleece or whatever, you can have a life
• 46:17
  outside of farming. When you
• 46:21
  make any of those other choices than the dairy sheep or cows,
• 46:28
  you can't milk the cows. You can just leave out in the field. And
• 46:32
  you know, to rotate them is very easy and somebody will, will
• 46:36
  be very happy probably to help you with that versus milking a cow. It's much
• 46:39
  more appealing. So,
• 46:44
  yeah, you can, but my advice would be, is
• 46:47
  to never just get one animal. Because
• 46:52
  most ruminants, they have four stomachs.
• 46:56
  Cows, sheep, goats, they
• 47:00
  need a herd. That's their prey animals. This is
• 47:04
  how they feel safe. It's how they protect themselves.
• 47:07
  It's how they regulate themselves. If you just
• 47:11
  have one, they don't do well. It's very
• 47:15
  stressful for them, actually, and it's more stressful for you.
• 47:18
  People say, oh, well, now that you have More cows? Is it more work? It's
• 47:21
  actually not. It's actually a lot easier
• 47:25
  because they know how to take care of themselves in many regards.
• 47:29
  So don't just get one. And unless
• 47:33
  you're like a homebody, like I am, and you
• 47:36
  don't care about leaving your home too much, don't get
• 47:40
  a milking animal.
• 47:45
  That is a daily commitment. Daily commitment. And they're not
• 47:49
  like, oh, it's Sunday, I won't. I'll hold my milk in today.
• 47:53
  If you're five minutes late, they'll start mooing and let you know, like, get
• 47:57
  down here.
• 48:00
  So great. And so is the main,
• 48:04
  is the. Main principle of regenerative. This,
• 48:08
  the idea of moving them around so that they
• 48:15
  help the, you know, the animals. Because
• 48:18
  there's. Sorry, I'm going to start over. There's this narrative, right, that like,
• 48:22
  we, we should not. We should have fewer cows in the world because they're,
• 48:25
  they're rooting the land, right. They're eating everything and they ate fart. And
• 48:29
  whatever else people are saying, oh, it's so good. Yes. However,
• 48:33
  what regenerative farming says to, to my understanding is that
• 48:38
  actually if you move them around and only leave them, as you just explained, on
• 48:41
  each part of the land for a short period of time, it actually
• 48:45
  helps the land. So is that the,
• 48:49
  is that the. Kind of main
• 48:52
  directive of regenerative farm is like, move your animals around?
• 48:56
  Yes, yes, that's the main.
• 49:00
  And regenerative, because it regenerates the land, it
• 49:03
  regenerates the soil. And, and I think it's a good
• 49:07
  topic to just touch upon is that
• 49:13
  the amount of methane released from cows
• 49:17
  is totally negligible. Now if you're
• 49:21
  talking about a feedlot, like, yeah, these should, they should not be in existence.
• 49:24
  They're, they're horrible for the cows. They're feeding them horrible things.
• 49:28
  They can't move. You know, it's, it's, it's like,
• 49:32
  it's just a bad environment for, like, if we're talking about environment, that's the,
• 49:36
  that's like the worst environment a cow could be in. And they
• 49:40
  have these feedlots for pigs and chickens and sheep. And so
• 49:45
  this, if we're looking at it from
• 49:49
  a carbon emissions standpoint, yeah, those aren't great,
• 49:53
  but there's a lot of other things that we should look at.
• 49:57
  Or even then the feedlot animals that are a lot more detrimental
• 50:02
  but regenerative. So the carbon emissions are like, oh, the
• 50:06
  carbons is escaping into the atmosphere and it's, it's you know,
• 50:10
  it's not sequestered into the earth. Well, with
• 50:13
  regenerative, there's even been some great studies done
• 50:18
  already about how regenerative
• 50:21
  actually sequesters carbon, stores
• 50:25
  carbon into the earth, so it's not escaping and causing
• 50:29
  these greenhouse gas effects that the
• 50:33
  cows are being blamed for. So when we
• 50:36
  farm regeneratively, and even by you and everyone
• 50:40
  else, just simply buying regenerative when you
• 50:44
  can is making a huge difference
• 50:49
  in so many ways. So.
• 50:52
  Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny. It's like we
• 50:56
  completely degrade the
• 51:01
  natural order of things and then blame the animals.
• 51:06
  Like what? Yeah, exactly. Okay.
• 51:10
  It's our factory farming that's causing the problem. And even then,
• 51:14
  as you said, on the list of problems. So
• 51:17
  how would one, how do you recommend that people find
• 51:22
  food from regenerative farms? Can you, you know, like, farmers
• 51:26
  markets? Can you order it, get it delivered to your house?
• 51:29
  Like, yes, all of the suggestions. Okay.
• 51:33
  All of the above. You can order it. There's so many amazing
• 51:37
  farms that ship now. Lamb,
• 51:41
  beef. Absolutely. You can order it
• 51:45
  online. And more and more people are, you're seeing this more and
• 51:49
  more at, at farmers markets also, because a lot of farmers
• 51:53
  have been doing this for forever, but there was never a
• 51:57
  name for it. Yeah, they're like, so this is just having a farm. What are
• 52:00
  you. We moved our cows since
• 52:04
  forever, and now it's like a
• 52:08
  trendy thing. But it, it's a good trend. I, I, this
• 52:12
  is good. It's very, it's very positive. So now people are like, oh, yeah, this
• 52:15
  is regenerative. Because. But they've always been doing it that way.
• 52:19
  So I would ask at
• 52:23
  your farmer's markets also, like, you know,
• 52:27
  and definitely if you have a, the option between regenerative or
• 52:31
  organic, I would do regenerative for sure.
• 52:36
  Or, yeah, that's what I would suggest. But
• 52:39
  it's more and more accessible. The thing
• 52:43
  is, is they're getting kind of like they're catching on with the marketing. And
• 52:48
  I saw this thing in Whole Foods the other day of, like, regenerative flour,
• 52:52
  like, like wheat flour or something, and I was like,
• 52:57
  well, typically you can't really have, like,
• 53:00
  regenerative flour. It has to be an animal
• 53:04
  or a milk product. So
• 53:08
  if you see things like, on vegetables that are, like,
• 53:11
  regenerative, I would raise an eyebrow. Now,
• 53:14
  biodynamic for vegetables, maybe,
• 53:19
  but regenerative, don't, don't let them trick you with
• 53:22
  that. Okay. Yeah. Because the wheat
• 53:27
  just grows from the wheat field. So it's not. Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe
• 53:31
  the. Can be organic, but. Yeah,
• 53:35
  that's a hard sell. That's a hard sell. Okay. That's a tough one. Yeah.
• 53:39
  What are. What are some other things that,
• 53:43
  you know, that we can be thinking about when we buy our food,
• 53:47
  when we source our food? Because I know, you know, most of the audience here,
• 53:50
  obviously, we make a. I would probably say everyone listening
• 53:55
  eats real food over processed food most of the time. I mean,
• 53:58
  whatever. Unmaked spaghetti sometimes. Sue me, but.
• 54:03
  Good for you. I'm about it. Yeah.
• 54:08
  But just. Yeah. Like, in general, we're buying our dairy and our
• 54:12
  eggs and our meats and our cheeses.
• 54:16
  What are your thoughts on where things are right now? Like, there seems to
• 54:20
  be. I mean, I'm in the state of New York and
• 54:23
  there's actually quite a lot of really cool. Oh, man.
• 54:27
  Independent. Yeah. Producers of all kinds of foods.
• 54:30
  Yeah. Which is fun. And are there
• 54:34
  organizations that bring people together? I don't know. Just sort of like, what are your
• 54:37
  thoughts on. On finding the best food, sourcing the best food?
• 54:41
  This is a good question. I think grocery stores might become a little
• 54:44
  obsolete. I
• 54:48
  would say that
• 54:54
  if you can buy from. From farmers or farmer or
• 54:57
  like your. Your neighbor down the way. I love New York because I
• 55:01
  always have freaking vegetable stands and maple syrup and it's like,
• 55:05
  oh, I missed that we don't have that here.
• 55:09
  But I would buy as much as you can from farmers in
• 55:13
  your area and from
• 55:16
  farmers who have online stores.
• 55:19
  And of course, yeah, you have the shipping, the packaging. But if we're talking about
• 55:23
  the quality of food, typically,
• 55:27
  unless your grocery store offers like a lot of local
• 55:31
  options, you're going to get
• 55:34
  for. For health benefits, much more out
• 55:38
  of farmer, real farmers.
• 55:41
  Because the hoops that even people have to jump through
• 55:45
  to sell their product in a grocery store. Most
• 55:49
  farmers, like, for example, like myself, we don't want to go through
• 55:52
  those hoops, and we're actually farming to not go through those hoops.
• 55:56
  And so the quality, the freshness,
• 56:00
  the nutrient content, the less hands
• 56:04
  touch that product, the better.
• 56:08
  And so honestly, I buy very
• 56:12
  little at the grocery store now, and I buy
• 56:16
  most of my stuff online or from other farmers or
• 56:19
  stuff that we grow. So I know not everyone
• 56:23
  has that option, but I'd say the more you can.
• 56:28
  That's what I would recommend. And especially if you're. I know that people,
• 56:31
  like, really take a dump on olive oil. I love olive
• 56:35
  oil and I would never buy it in a store. If you're somebody who loves
• 56:39
  olive oil. I would look for online sources because olive
• 56:43
  oil on your shelf, the grocery shelf, has been there for like,
• 56:47
  who knows, years in that bottle. And if you get fresh olive
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  oil within like a year of it being produced, oh my gosh,
• 56:54
  the health effects and the quality
• 56:58
  is so much better than what you'll find in a store.
• 57:03
  Right? Oh, that's interesting to know because there's actually a brand that is made
• 57:08
  locally that's in, in my store. And I only know that because
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  one day that the owner was there or the owner's son was there with his
• 57:15
  little table and he told me. So now I always buy
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  that one. Yes. That's awesome. I didn't actually
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  realize I was doing it to support the local community,
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  but now I'm like, oh, better.
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  And honestly, before I started farming, I was like, yeah, I'll pay
• 57:34
  for organic food and you know, I'll pay the extra. But once
• 57:38
  you start doing it and you see actually like what it takes,
• 57:44
  there's like, you know, we
• 57:48
  sell our, our raw milk for like $26 a gallon, which some people
• 57:51
  think is insane and some people say is like, oh great. Yeah,
• 57:55
  like the, the price of really what that gallon of milk
• 57:59
  costs, that a 2, a 2 raw milk cost.
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  It's fucking. If I put $200 on it, it. Wouldn'T
• 58:07
  amount for like, it wouldn't cover. It would
• 58:10
  cover the energy and the effort and
• 58:14
  like the non sprayed hay and going to all these efforts to keep
• 58:18
  your cows healthy and not vaccine and not antibiotic them and treat
• 58:22
  them naturally, it's like, oh my gosh,
• 58:26
  like I will never complain about the price of, of real food
• 58:29
  like ever again. And yes, it's.
• 58:33
  If you can afford it, it is so worth it. And
• 58:37
  the farmer is like now I know how thankful they are
• 58:40
  when you like give them a few extra bucks for their product or
• 58:44
  be like keep the change or like thank you for what you're doing. It's
• 58:48
  like I literally cry when that happens because
• 58:51
  you, you don't know until you're like right in the throes of that.
• 58:55
  So tip your farmer. Yes.
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  Yes. How? Like just, I mean
• 59:04
  the, the energy and the devotion that goes into. Yeah.
• 59:08
  Into it and, and you know, the
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  regenerative farmers and you guys are really like
• 59:15
  protecting our ancestral way of life
• 59:18
  is what you're doing. Yeah, I so
• 59:22
  thank you. Yeah, I hope for that so much.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Because I was,
• 59:30
  I noticed like at our farmer's market, there's a farm and they
• 59:33
  always have like a ton of Produce and they have little
• 59:37
  signs explaining what it all is. I mean, I didn't know there was that many
• 59:40
  kinds of onions, to be honest.
• 59:45
  Like nine different kinds of beans and all these things. But they don't, it
• 59:49
  doesn't say organic, but like there's still like
• 59:53
  dirt on some of these. Like they just, and it's, it's local.
• 59:57
  And so in my mind I'm like, that seems probably better than
• 1:00:01
  going to the grocery store to the organic section, if
• 1:00:04
  they even have one, which they don't always in this state. Yeah,
• 1:00:08
  yeah, exactly. And, and most farmers, they don't want to pay to
• 1:00:12
  get the organic like certification. Right. So it's,
• 1:00:16
  it's highly likely that it's not even.
• 1:00:20
  Yeah. Like I doubt they're out there spraying glyphate on theirs.
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, yeah, no, I, I agree.
• 1:00:27
  Yeah. So, yeah, I always just kind of wondered
• 1:00:31
  about that. So I'm glad to talk to you about it, but it seemed to
• 1:00:34
  make intuitive sense to me. Right on. Yeah. Agree.
• 1:00:38
  Yeah. All right, so any last like words
• 1:00:42
  of wisdom from your new, from your new farm life?
• 1:00:51
  Oh, man. Oh, just, just buy from farmers.
• 1:00:54
  That's all I could say. Like really get to know them.
• 1:00:58
  You know, they're introverted, they're weird, they're usually all
• 1:01:02
  outside of the box. They're, they're very,
• 1:01:06
  they're just tend to be really good hearted people.
• 1:01:11
  And this profession, we've been
• 1:01:14
  coaxed out of it to move back to the cities
• 1:01:18
  and, and, and, and put all, get all these
• 1:01:22
  loans to get tractors and huge equipments and all these things you
• 1:01:25
  can spray your fields with. And it's been totally taken
• 1:01:29
  over by the government and,
• 1:01:33
  and by more. I. Don'T
• 1:01:37
  know, lofty professions. And so farmers are really
• 1:01:41
  seen as lowly,
• 1:01:44
  poverty stricken,
• 1:01:47
  unintelligent people. And
• 1:01:51
  what I can see from farmers who have been doing it for far longer than
• 1:01:55
  I have, it's just the totally opposite.
• 1:02:00
  If you have a problem to solve, call your farmer, they'll be like,
• 1:02:04
  well go get this. And then you do that. And then right
• 1:02:07
  there's like, oh my God, you know,
• 1:02:12
  so buy from farmers. That's that you really know as much as
• 1:02:16
  you, as much as you can. I love that. Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  And yeah, I mean there's nothing like farming to be literally like living in
• 1:02:24
  the moment of life, surrounded by life, supporting life.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah. Like you never know what's going to happen.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah, I know. I think about that all the time. Like when the weather
• 1:02:35
  does something weird, I'm like, oh, I, I guess I'll have to. Oh, I better
• 1:02:38
  check this so it doesn't fly. I'm like, what if I was a farmer, right?
• 1:02:41
  Like this could be the difference between a crop and not a
• 1:02:45
  crop. Yeah, yeah, it's,
• 1:02:49
  it's crazy. Yeah. And it's true. I, I hear what you're saying. I was
• 1:02:52
  watching. A Jane Austen movie with my
• 1:02:56
  daughter Emma, right. And there was like, you know, the,
• 1:03:00
  the characters that were sort of members of the aristocracy, but
• 1:03:04
  the, the farmers were like a very, very
• 1:03:07
  highly respected, you know, like class
• 1:03:11
  of people. And this was, you know, what are we talking, like 1850s or something?
• 1:03:15
  Right? Like it was like, you know, it was
• 1:03:19
  a, a profession and a working profession. But I actually noticed
• 1:03:22
  that in that film because there's some of the like interplay
• 1:03:26
  between the classes and yeah, like farming, it was
• 1:03:30
  like, oh, to be a farmer's wife was like a very,
• 1:03:34
  like, that was exciting and it meant something and
• 1:03:38
  it was hugely respected in the community. Yeah. And you're
• 1:03:42
  right, we kind of lost. That and then
• 1:03:45
  we've forgotten how to nourish ourselves as a result.
• 1:03:49
  And, and so now I feel like there's
• 1:03:53
  been, there's this whole movement towards now like, oh,
• 1:03:56
  cooking outside and like cooking with meat and like this
• 1:04:00
  whole nourishment piece, not just for the land but for ourselves is
• 1:04:03
  coming back in. And
• 1:04:08
  most people today are really deficient just because
• 1:04:12
  they weren't raised in a way that was like,
• 1:04:15
  here's this bounty of food. You know, it's,
• 1:04:19
  it's just, it used to be part of our culture and now
• 1:04:23
  it's like, oh, let's quick heat up this can of soup
• 1:04:26
  and like this pre made thing and like get back to life.
• 1:04:30
  And it's like, fuck. Life is like to sit down and
• 1:04:34
  have this like huge meal and like courses
• 1:04:38
  and maybe like some really good wine or something. It's like this is like
• 1:04:41
  celebrating life in the land and like community and the people
• 1:04:45
  you're with and like we can sit down and have a face to face with
• 1:04:49
  people versus their phones. And it's like, man, we've
• 1:04:52
  lost that and we've even judged that and said like,
• 1:04:56
  no, that's, this is too. Oh, who has time for that?
• 1:04:59
  Yeah, though, like, what's better than what you just
• 1:05:03
  described? Yeah, like what is better?
• 1:05:06
  It's like, oh, that is like the pinnacle.
• 1:05:10
  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's something
• 1:05:14
  that, yeah, we definitely do in our house
• 1:05:18
  and our community. And I teach cooking classes in
• 1:05:22
  person to help create and reestablish that connection
• 1:05:25
  and environment and we host farm dinners here. And it's
• 1:05:29
  like this whole connecting thing that
• 1:05:33
  really brings people into the experience and
• 1:05:37
  with the food and each other. And I think that's
• 1:05:41
  a real deficiency in our culture that,
• 1:05:45
  man, it's so fun. Like, everyone's like, I'm depressed, I'm
• 1:05:49
  anxious. We don't have any connection anymore, you know? Yeah,
• 1:05:53
  yeah. Go outside and then
• 1:05:56
  bring potluck to a community meal.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I love that.
• 1:06:03
  And now can people visit?
• 1:06:08
  Absolutely, yeah. Because is the casita in.
• 1:06:11
  In operation? It is, yeah. Still great.
• 1:06:15
  Yes. Oh, that's where you are right now. With the fire wood
• 1:06:19
  burning stove. Okay, so quickly tell us about that. This is available for people to
• 1:06:23
  come stay. It's available for people to come stay.
• 1:06:27
  We have been renting it out to. To writers, but it's
• 1:06:31
  definitely open to anyone who really
• 1:06:35
  enjoys a low. I mean, like,
• 1:06:39
  there's no cell service out here. It's all Ethernet. It's like, it's
• 1:06:43
  a really low footprint here in this, in the
• 1:06:46
  casita. It's tucked in into the woods here on our farm. And
• 1:06:50
  it's a really sweet space. Yeah. Oh, it sounds
• 1:06:53
  beautiful. Okay, we will. There will be the link in the show notes.
• 1:06:58
  What? Just. You want to just say the website? Yes, it's our farm
• 1:07:02
  website and it's called Ojo conejo. It's oho like I
• 1:07:06
  in Spanish and canejo like rabbit.
• 1:07:09
  Okay. If you don't know how to. If, if anyone doesn't know how to spell
• 1:07:12
  that, just look up, look up it online. Just translate it.
• 1:07:17
  So oho. Yeah, like ojo and then conejo. Okay.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah. So ojo conejo. And you can
• 1:07:25
  book your. Your regenerative getaway. Regenerate
• 1:07:28
  yourself. In Heather's
• 1:07:32
  casita. That sounds
• 1:07:36
  amazing. Well, Heather, it came. So nice to see you again.
• 1:07:39
  Congratulations on everything that you guys are doing.
• 1:07:43
  Truly. Thank you. Truly amazing and wonderful
• 1:07:47
  contribution to the world. Thank you. Awesome to be
• 1:07:51
  here always.