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Bonus Episode: Grinder Men, The Jon Bon Jovi Effect, and the Greatest English Groups of the Post-Punk Era · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this episode, we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: New Order, the greatest British bands of the post punk era,
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  Speaker 1: and me getting to know you and of course your voicemails, text,
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  Speaker 1: dms and more, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, disc goes, let's get into it, all right,
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  Speaker 1: all right, all right, we are here. We are in session,
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  Speaker 1: the discos have entered the chat and I'm grateful you're
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  Speaker 1: here with me today. On this bonus episode of Disgraceland,
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  Speaker 1: we are starting off prompted by this week's full episode
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  Speaker 1: subject to Disgraceland New Order. And there's a lot going
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  Speaker 1: on in this episode on the crime front that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to use this space to discuss, but instead
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  Speaker 1: I want to jump off one musical fact for the
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  Speaker 1: New Order story as a way into a larger musical
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  Speaker 1: question that I've been thinking about. Some of you may
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  Speaker 1: be saying, who the hell is New Order? I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard of New Order, and that's cool, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: we have the full episode for you to check out.
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  Speaker 1: But know this, you might not know who New Order is,
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  Speaker 1: but you definitely know who Quincy Jones is. Quinsy or
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  Speaker 1: Q is one of the biggest names in the music
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  Speaker 1: industry and has been for the last sixty some odd years.
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  Speaker 1: The dude is a giant, and back in the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighties sort of at the apex of his career, or
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  Speaker 1: right about at the beginning of the apex of his career,
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  Speaker 1: he recognized that New Order was one of the most
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  Speaker 1: promising groups to emerge out of England. So Quincy Jones
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  Speaker 1: AKAQ here set about to work with New Order. The
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  Speaker 1: results debatable. What it wasn't was the next thriller, but
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't erase the fact that one of the greatest
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  Speaker 1: producers of all time recognized the greatness in a little
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  Speaker 1: synth band from the UK. It's no secret that the
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  Speaker 1: United Kingdom, more specifically let's just narrow it down. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say England. This is where my thoughts have been. It's
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  Speaker 1: no secret that England has produced some of the greatest
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  Speaker 1: groups of all times, specifically of the past forty years.
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  Speaker 1: That's the era that I'm more interested in, from the
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  Speaker 1: time of New Order on from nineteen eighty to now.
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  Speaker 1: The years prior, from say the Beatles in nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 1: two sixty three through the punk explosion of the seventies
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  Speaker 1: and up until nineteen eighty are less inner to be
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  Speaker 1: because it's music history territory that has been strip mine
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  Speaker 1: time and time again. We've talked about I've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this era so much, have done episodes on so many
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  Speaker 1: of these subjects. I love that era. I love those bands.
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  Speaker 1: But you know there's more, Okay, That's what I'm interested in.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in discussing or debating the greatness of
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  Speaker 1: the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, led Zeppelin, even the Clash,
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  Speaker 1: or any of the other amazing rock bands that emerge
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  Speaker 1: from England between sixty three and seventy nine, and all
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  Speaker 1: the great punk bands as well. But I am interested
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  Speaker 1: in discussing and debating the English bands that broke out
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  Speaker 1: after punk rock broke through? Who are the greatest English
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  Speaker 1: groups of the post punk era? It is an impressive list.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about post punk bands. I
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  Speaker 1: know that's a genre, Okay, I mean the era, I
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  Speaker 1: mean after punk. I mean it literally post punk era.
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  Speaker 1: It's an impressive list and it starts with New Order.
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  Speaker 1: It includes a long list of great bands. Peche Mode, Police,
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  Speaker 1: Dire Straits. And I know you're saying, hey, depeche Mode
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  Speaker 1: started in seventy nine or whatever. The Police started in
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  Speaker 1: seventy seven. Yeah, but they weren't punk bands, so therefore
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  Speaker 1: they are post punk. They are after punk. Dire Straits
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't hit really until the eighties either. The
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  Speaker 1: Police didn't really break through until the eighties. Dire Straits
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  Speaker 1: and I say that already. I think I did the
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  Speaker 1: the the Rhythmics, Doran, Duran, Echo and the Bunny Men
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  Speaker 1: and the Cure, the Smiths. Okay, that's the eighties. The
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  Speaker 1: nineties might even be more impressive. Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Radiohead, Stone, Roses, Supergrass,
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  Speaker 1: The Verve, Swede, Bush, Travis Happy Mondays. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm a great Scott. Listen, let's break it down. You
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  Speaker 1: basically got two decades of greatness the eighties in the
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  Speaker 1: nineties to choose from here. Remember we're talking about England, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't know why I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say that again. And we are excluding the sixties
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  Speaker 1: and the seventies. But if you're picking two bands from
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  Speaker 1: the sixties, you'd probably go Beatlestones, And if you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go two bands in the seventies, he probably go Zepp
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  Speaker 1: and Clasher. Maybe not, but that's what I sow. What
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  Speaker 1: two English bands from the eighties do you choose? And
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  Speaker 1: what two English bands from the nineties do you choose?
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  Speaker 1: It is New Order one of them greatest English group
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  Speaker 1: not solo artists of the post punk era. For the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: I probably go The Cure in the Smiths and for
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  Speaker 1: the nineties I probably go Away Assistant Blur. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying that exactly, and I got to think about
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  Speaker 1: it more. Not sure about a fifth, more modern band,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Arctic Monkeys again, need I need to give it
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  Speaker 1: a think. So what are your top five English groups
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  Speaker 1: from the post punk era? Prompted by a New Order,
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  Speaker 1: this new full episode we have on New Order six one, seven,
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight, leave me a voicemail,
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  Speaker 1: send me a text, let me know, or you can
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  Speaker 1: hit me at this grace lamp pod on the Socials.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna take a quick break back in a flash, your
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  Speaker 1: voicemails and your texts, all right, you know the drills
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  Speaker 1: six one seven, nine oh six six six three eight
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  Speaker 1: to send a text, to leave a voicemail, just like
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  Speaker 1: this dude from the nine to seven eight. Uh So,
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  Speaker 1: before we get to the message, here's just a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, I told you guys about my experience
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  Speaker 1: as a little kid backstage at an Arrowsmith concert that
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  Speaker 1: was probably eighty eight eighty nine. This dude has his
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  Speaker 1: own story about being kid backstage at an Arrowsmith concert
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  Speaker 1: from a different era of the band, entirely from seventy
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  Speaker 1: eight seventy nine, and it's freaking awesome. Sean, let's play
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  Speaker 1: the nine seven eight.
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  Speaker 2: Jake Annie from the nine to seven eight part of
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  Speaker 2: Boston Great Podcast, Long Time Listen. I got a little
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  Speaker 2: Arrowsmith story for you. My dad was a buddy of
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  Speaker 2: the backstage man of manager of Arrowsmith and us backstage
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  Speaker 2: passes late seventy seventy eight seventy nine. So we went
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  Speaker 2: in Boston Garden backstage and tell us, come on, let's
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  Speaker 2: go see the guys. He goes, but I got to
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  Speaker 2: put you to work. So we carried in big trash
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  Speaker 2: barrels full of beer into this locker room and barrow
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  Speaker 2: Smith was in there, Steve Tyler, everybody, a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: girls everywhere, and he said, Joe said to us, just look,
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  Speaker 2: don't say nothing. We're going to the end of the
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  Speaker 2: locker room and then we'll come back. So we're going down.
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  Speaker 2: There were drugs everywhere. It was a freaking madhouse. So
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  Speaker 2: we go back there and one of them, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was Tyler, yelled to get their kids out of there.
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  Speaker 2: We were seventeen eighteen at the time, so we get out.
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  Speaker 2: They were playing with zz Top and as we're out there,
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  Speaker 2: Billy Gibbons goes by and he goes, I hope you
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  Speaker 2: boys are bringing beer into our locker too, So we
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  Speaker 2: went in there. I got to admit, the girls from
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  Speaker 2: ZZ Talk were a lot prettier than the girls from Arrowsmith,
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  Speaker 2: and those guys were actually pretty cool. They just kind
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  Speaker 2: of had this essence around him that was just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: They were just laid back, cool, guys. They chatted a
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  Speaker 2: little bit and then they said, well, get out of here.
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  Speaker 2: We got to get ready for the show.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just a.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty cool experience over and out from being.
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  Speaker 1: Time dude, amazing story. Not surprised that the Texas boys
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  Speaker 1: had better taste in women than the New Englanders. And
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  Speaker 1: I love that their vibe was so cool and so
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  Speaker 1: different than Aerosmith. So thank you for the story. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this before I started talking into
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  Speaker 1: the microphone of you guys today. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 1: all the Aerosmiths incoming I've received from you guys, and
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: all this sort of shit. We've talked about Aerosmith, and
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  Speaker 1: I just we haven't talked a lot about Joe Perry.
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  Speaker 1: We talked a lot about Steven Tyler and how goofy is,
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  Speaker 1: and I talked about how cool Tom Hamilton was, but
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  Speaker 1: I never mentioned how cool I think Joe Perry was
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  Speaker 1: and is. I guess not to mention that he is
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: a beast of a guitar player, and I just I
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  Speaker 1: felt that worth mentioning. It's important to remember the positive
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  Speaker 1: stuff here. I feel like we're pretty balanced, but I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to get that out. I'm not sure I
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  Speaker 1: said it in the last few weeks. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: check out this voicemail from the two to seven.
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  Speaker 3: Well you but you bit one off of that one.
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  Speaker 3: All right? So who are we? Well, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: who anybody else is. I'm John, I'm from New Hampshire.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a craftsman. I work by myself because I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's harry enough standing myself as opposed to
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  Speaker 3: anybody else. But yeah, so I spend a lot of
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  Speaker 3: hours by myself doing detailed things, and I listened to music,
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: and I listened to interesting, thought provoking podcasts, one of
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: which are actually all of your stuff is really interesting
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: and thought provoking. In music, I find it's so suited
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: to the situation. If I'm doing something really cerebral, I
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: want to listen to jazz or something jazz influence, you know,
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  Speaker 3: something that's really just technical and there but not there,
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: just kind of I hate to say numbers, but it's
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: almost like numbers, you know. And then you know, if
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: I'm doing something loud and thrashy, you got to put
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  Speaker 3: on something loud and trashy. And you know, if a
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: thirty eight year old man needs to feel like a
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: teenager again. Well then I put on motherfucking Wutia Clan.
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: So that's that's who I am, brother, and you're a
• 10:41
  Speaker 3: big part of it in all the podcasters, so that's huge.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you guys for what you do, and specifically
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: thank you for this part of your podcast because it's
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: really interesting to be able to take part in it
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: and like kind of take a little bit of ownership
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: in it. I feel like you actually listen to us,
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like some of the stuff
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: he says say drive me absolutely batshit sometimes and then
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: other times I'm frigging thumping on the roof of my
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: truck going yeah, buddy. So that's that, and listen. I'm
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: sure you've heard a million arrowsmith stories at this point,
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  Speaker 3: but here's one for you. All right. I can't believe
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: I forgot this. My family owned a seafood market in
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire. Stephen Tyler walked in one time. There was
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: a Vietnamese guy working, and he, with his accent, said
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: to my mother, he's in aerosmith. My mother heard this
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: as he's an arrowsmith. My mother didn't know who Stephen
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  Speaker 3: Tyler was, so hand to God, my mother as she's
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: checking Steven Tyler out says, so do you make arrows? Shit?
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  Speaker 3: You not, bro. You should have seen the friggin sideways
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: head that he had. Fucking hilarious. All right, buddy, keep
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: up the good work. I'm gonna listen to the rest
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: of your podcast. You just inspired a way too long
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: voicemail chaff and.
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  Speaker 1: Now doc rolla John amazing man, amazing. I literally laughed
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  Speaker 1: out loud when I heard your mom asked Steven Tyler
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  Speaker 1: if he made arrows, So yeah, stoke to get to
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  Speaker 1: know you, John. If you guys missed the after party
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: last week, a listener called in and asked about me,
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: and I gave an answer.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: The listener wanted to know where you know, sort of
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: where I come from, what makes me me, It's et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: But I turned it around afterward and I asked about
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: you guys, and that's what John is responding to here,
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that, And uh, I want to know
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: who you guys are, and what you do, what you
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: listen to when you listen to it, what makes you tick,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: not only because I want to make better content for you,
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: but because fucking social media in the world today can
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: be so anti social when you get right down to it.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: So John, I love the message. I'm the same dude,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: jazz in the morning when I'm writing, and loud music
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon when I'm working around the house or
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: hitting balls with my boys. Guys six one seven, nine
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  Speaker 1: oh six, six three eight, call me, leave me a voicemail,
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  Speaker 1: send me a text, introduce yourselves. All right, let's check
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  Speaker 1: out with another disco here with Laura from the nine
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  Speaker 1: to one four.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Jake, it's Laura. Love the show. Of course. I
• 13:13
  Speaker 5: love everything you do and all the story view on Earth.
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: It's such a journey. And I don't know if you've
• 13:20
  Speaker 5: already covered this artist. I haven't been through all of
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: the backlog of episodes. But Sia, whatever you think of
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: her as a pop star or her pop music, you
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  Speaker 5: can't deny the unbelievable talents that she's got. And I
• 13:36
  Speaker 5: seem to remember a story of some kind of betrayal
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: or intrigue in her background where she did not intend
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  Speaker 5: to release her vocals on a track, But since someone
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: maybe a producer I don't know who would make this decision,
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  Speaker 5: decided that she did it the best, he went out
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  Speaker 5: and released it. Without her knowledge or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even know if that's even possible, But if
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  Speaker 5: this story really happened, I would to hear it on Disgraceline.
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  Speaker 5: Would be amazing because I know you would put the
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: spin on it that it needs, that it deserves if
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: this really happened. So from what I remember of this story,
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: that's why she covers her face with her hair because
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: the last thing she wants is same and you know,
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  Speaker 5: without without rocking her world at all, I would I
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  Speaker 5: would love to learn more about her. Thanks again for
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: everything you do. Bye bye.
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  Speaker 1: Great idea, Laura, And yes, that sounds totally like something
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: that a producer would do and could do. Sia go
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: to look into it. I never knew this story. I
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: never I don't know anything about her, to be perfectly honest,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: but this is intriguing and I appreciate the recommendation. It's
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: a good one, all right, guys six one seven nine
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  Speaker 1: O six six six three eight. If you've got a recommendation,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we should be doing an episode. Excuse me.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: You leave me a voicemail or a text, let me
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  Speaker 1: know your favorite English groups of the post punk era are,
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  Speaker 1: and also just introduce yourself. Let me know a little
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: bit about you, what you do, what makes you tick?
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Let's check out some texts. We have this conversation going
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  Speaker 1: about engagement and how artists connect with their audience and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: what makes you, guys, as an audience, connect with your
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: favorite musicians. And of course we've been talking about Taylor
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Swift and talking about her here in the after Party
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: and also in the little mini episodes we do on
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Mondays when I'm unofficially calling the pre party. But anyways,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: you know Taylor Swift, the phenomenon that she is. I'm
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: just I'm intrigued what people are responding to. We got
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: a text here from eight to six. Oh hey, Jake,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: weighing in on the Taylor Swift. She engages with fans
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  Speaker 1: in a way nobody has ever done before. I think
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: she understands her fans better than any artist in history
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and truly enjoys creating an interactive world for the fandom.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: The effort she puts in is unparalleled. Thanks for everything
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: you do, love all the content. Eight six, Oh, I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: hear you give me some examples. What exactly what is
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: the effort that she puts in and what is the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: interactive world that is the Taylor Swift fandom. How do you,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: as a fan engage with Taylor Swift? That's what I
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: want to know. Six one seven nine oh six six
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  Speaker 1: six three eight text me back eight six to oh
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  Speaker 1: or hit me with a voicemail. All right, I said, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I said, We're gonna put this one to bed.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: But this is a funny text from the three oh three.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Hey Jake Stephanie from the three oh three Billboards top
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: fifty best Rap Groups of all Time left me highly offended,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: especially the top five. My top five best rap groups
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: of all time. It's number one, NWA, number two, WU Tang,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: number three, Public Endemy, number four one DMC, and number
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: five Beastie Boys. I stand by what I said and
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'll die on this hill. Thanks for your podcast. I
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: enjoy listening to it every week, especially the bonus episodes. Yeah,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you got a three oh three Rockin' I like that list.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: That's a good, good, good list. Sorry, five to four
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to oh rights in Thin Lizzie is great. Sex pistols
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: are great. Yes, members of Thin Lizzie, Paul Cook and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Steve Jones. That is cool, but I digress deuces. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where this thin Lizzy stuff is coming from.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Did I say something, Who's I didn't
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: say anything about thin Lizzy, And all of a sudden,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I start getting all these texts about din Lizzy and
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  Speaker 1: me not liking them, and I don't know what that's about.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe I said something that sounded like thin Lizzie.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. It's bizarre, okay eight one oh? Right, sin,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: it's sort of music news for this week. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know if you saw I did see this what the
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  Speaker 1: eight one I was about to say here, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know if you saw that Lizzie van Houghton was released
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: from prison yesterday. She was part of the Charles Manson
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: family and actively participated in the Healter Skelter murders. Definitely
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to have been released. If you asked me,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: thanks for all you do and rock and rolla Dean
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Dean from the eight one. Oh, I did see that.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I thought about posting something about that on Instagram and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: talking to you guys about it over there, but last
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: time I made a post about Charles manson Instagram basically
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: shut my freaking account down, which is ridiculous. So uh yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I guess I can talk about it here. And I
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: did see this, and I have very mixed feelings about it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Leslie van Houghton definitely yeah, Manson girl, one of Charlie's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: girls and like a for real one, like the one
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: who was on the inside doing the killing. And uh,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I do have mixed feelings. I mean, I don't know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: this woman's been in prison since the early seventies. This
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: crime is horrific. How they behaved was barbaric, and some
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: really innocent people lost their lives and that sucks. On
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the other hand, you know this, I go back and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: forth in my head all the time, the difference between
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the you know, punitive punishment and redemption, and it's, uh,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you know, we're all imperfect, and I think our imperfection
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: sometimes stems to our ability to even figure this stuff out.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Then again, I'm sure there's some of you who are
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: very black and white about this, and I respect that
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: as well, and at times I am too. So anyways,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting topic. I'm always obsessed with the Manson family.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I saw a picture someone now didn't text it to me,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: they sent it to me on Instagram. Today if you
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: remember in the one of the Manson episodes we did.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I think it might have been one of the Mama
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Cass episodes I talk about, or no, it might have
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: been the Manson episode that the like Charles Manson the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: music Man episode of Disgrace Land, I talk about how
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Neil Young gifted Charles Manson a motorcycle. And someone found
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: an image of that of Charlie on this chopper that
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Neil Young gave him and sent it to me today
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and it's incredible. It's a it's just a shocking image.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I'd post it, but like I said, I'm done fucking
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: around with the boys at Meta. They don't play all right,
• 19:45
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• 19:57
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• 20:00
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• 20:02
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• 20:05
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• 20:10
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• 20:17
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• 20:24
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• 20:27
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• 20:30
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• 20:33
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• 20:36
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• 20:56
  Speaker 1: one more text. Here you, Know i'm. SURPRISED i think
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: we got interrupted by the fourth Of, july and that's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: why this topic didn't really go as far AS i
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: wanted it to. Go but last we, SPOKE i asked
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you guys about the year nineteen ninety four for, music
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: AND i didn't get a lot of incoming on it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Either you weren't paying, attention or MAYBE i didn't record that,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: part or my taked just isn't as interesting AS i
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  Speaker 1: think it. Is, man that's Some Elaine bennis. Humor there
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  Speaker 1: is it possible That i'm not as attractive AS i
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: THINK i? Am, ANYWAYS i. Digress BUT i asked the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: question about nineteen ninety four and whether or not it
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: was the greatest year of music or one of the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: greatest years of, Music and, yeah we got this, Back Yo,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: dude nineteen ninety Four. Lallapalooza this is from the three
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  Speaker 1: to zero Two Yo, dude nineteen ninety Four lallapalooza With
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: beastie's whole was supposed to Be, NIRVANA Ba Kurt, Died Nick,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: cave The, BREEDERS P Funk All. Stars you're not wrong
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: about nineteen ninety. Four also on that, Bill Sonic, Youth Fishbone,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: PRIMUS i believe as. WELL i was there ninety four ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Four they had it In Rhode, island IF i remember,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: CORRECTLY i remember the monks who were, touring The buddhist
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: monks who were touring with The Beastie boys being. Backstage
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: don't ask me HOW i got. BACKSTAGE i did.
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  Speaker 3: What?
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Else what else from ninety? Four who else was on that?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Bill you, KNOW i think what happened. HERE i think
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the REASON i don't remember P funk on that, bill
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: maybe they were Or Nick. CAVE i don't remember, that
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: BUT i think what happened ninety Four they started swapping
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  Speaker 1: out some of the sort of undercard artists regionally On.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Malapulusa but it doesn't erase the fact ninety four banger
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: year for. Music all? Right uh six one, seven nine oh,
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• 22:47
  Speaker 1: all the. Time you know, what it's fucking boring to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: talk about. YOURSELF i want to talk about you guys
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  Speaker 1: what you do for, Work tell me when you listen to,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: music what music you love when you listen to this,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: podcast and what you're doing when you're listening to, It
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: how you first heard this, podcast what you want out
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of this? Podcast And i'll answer it all as BEST
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: i CAN i want to get to know you guys
• 23:12
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• 23:15
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• 23:18
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  Speaker 1: at gmail dot. Com going to take a quick, break
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: be back in a second with some. Recommendations all, right
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: we are back in the recommendations. Part this is the recommendation's,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: part the part where we recommend the things that need,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: recommending the recommendations. Part What i've been listening to so
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the song Grinder man By John Lee. Hooker do you
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: guys know this? SONG i. DIDN'T i MEAN i have
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years, now but it's relatively new to.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Me what a strange one from The John Lee hooker.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Archive AND i went back to this song recently Because
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: i've just GOT i got a lot of baseball on
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: my mind.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Lately.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Guys i've been talking about baseball to you a little.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Bit i've Been i've been going to, games been to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Two socks games so, far going to A TRIPLE a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: game a couple of weeks down In North, carolina And
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: i'm just baseball right now is better than it's been
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: in at least a, decade if not. More the rules
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: changes that they implemented this year have really played out
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in a positive and exciting way for. VIEWERS i thought
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: The All Star game the other night was. AWESOME i
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: know people were bummed that it, wasn't, like you, know
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a big hitting, game BUT i don't mind. THAT i
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like pitching in defense. Anyways Grinder man is a baseball.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Song BUT i was going to The Red sox game
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: on fourth Of july with my, family with my wife
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and my two, boys and they're playing The Texas, rangers
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: AND i was looking for like, these like a baseball
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: playlist On, spotify and it's just it's there's so you,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: know baseball truly, is or at least it Was america's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: pastime for the major the bulk Of american modern, history
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: and it's really reflected in the wide expanse and diversity
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and different types of songs that are about. Baseball it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: all over the fucking. Map SO i didn't find the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: PLAYLIST i was looking, for BUT i did remember the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: song Grinder man By John Lee, hooker which, it's LIKE i,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: said it's a weird one From John Lee hooker's. Past
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: he recorded it With stacks The memphis, label which Was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: i'm not exactly sure the history of how that. Happened
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the song is so, mean it is so low down
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and so, dirty and it just it makes you want
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to take a fucking bath after you hear. It that's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the type of song this song.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Is BUT.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I Guess John Lee hooker must have been a baseball,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: fan AND i think what a grinder man was at
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that time whenever the song was, WRITTEN i don't, know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Sixties i'm guessing, seventies was a, grinder you, know like they, Say,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: hey that guy's a. Grinder he can really grind him,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: out grind out at, bats grind out his, hustle who's
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: running to the base the, first the, second. Whatever i'm
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: not really sure where the term grinder man fits in
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: exactly in, baseball BUT i know it is a baseball,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: term And John Lee hooker is of course using it
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: as a way a metaphor for sex and how he
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: is the grinder, man and it's kind of, funny but
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it is set to this incredibly, slinky Grimy John Lee hooker.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Sound it's just fucking. Awesome so check that tune, out all.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: RIGHT i know it's a lot about one, song but,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: hey trust, me if we were hanging out at a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: bar and we were just drinking, beers you, know this
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: is What i'd be talking. About the other THING i
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about, here which is not sort of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: as specific and weird as this Obscure John Lee hooker,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: tune quite the. Opposite last, NIGHT i was Watching Turner Classic,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: movies AS i often do When i'm winding, down and
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they run these great bumpers ON, tcm and they were
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: showing all the upcoming films that they're going to be
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: playing over the. Summer and one of, them which is
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: hard for me to think of it as a classic
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: movie because it's still relatively new compared to the stuff
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: That Turner Classic movies, plays was almost famous To Cameron
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: crowe movie About Cameron crow's experience as a young journalist
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: For Rolling stone back in the, seventies which we've all
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: seen a thousand, times and we've seen it so, MUCH
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: i know we have it it's almost not even worth talking.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: About but in seeing the, movie in this bumper For
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Turner Classic movies with a bunch of other iconic films
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  Speaker 1: edited in and around The Almost famous. Promotion it really struck.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Me and of, course you, know there were sound and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: they were playing cuts from, it they were Playing Tiny.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Dancer it really struck me just how iconic this movie.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Is and when it came, OUT i just thought it
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: was LIKE i thought it was a really cool, movie
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: really fun, Movie BUT i didn't realize at the time
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: what it would become and what it would mean to
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: me now as a guy who's seen this movie a thousand,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Times and it just got me, thinking you, know the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: opposite Of, grinderman thinking About grinderman And John Lee, hooker
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: which is relatively. OBSCURE i mean thinking this is relatively
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: basic in mainstream line of. Thought but what is the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: best movie about? Music and is it almost? Famous you,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Know i'm sitting here asking that, question AND i don't
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: know That i'm saying, yes BUT i don't know That
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: i'm saying no, Either so tell me what is the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: best movie about? Music is it almost? Famous? Is and
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a, Biopick it could be
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: A star Is, born the recent, one The Bradley cooper,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: One Lady, gaga that movie is incredible for eight about
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: ten different reasons that movie ten ten ten different reasons
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that are different from the reasons That Almost famous is
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: an incredible. Movie you, know if you're talking, Biopicks Buddy Holly's,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Story Coal Miner's, daughter there are so many and there
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: are just so many movies about music. Scripted i'm talking
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: about non. Documentaries that's a separate. Question so let me.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: KNOW i want to know six one seven, nine six
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  Speaker 1: six six three, Eight, right some guy from outer space
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: just land On earth today and he wants to watch
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: one movie about. Music what do you tell him to?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Watch let me, know all, RIGHT i want to talk
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: vintage music videos for a. Second, okay As, i'm you,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: know lying in, bed just got my phone, open And
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I'm i'm writing down my thoughts in a document to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: come up in here into the studio and hop into
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: THE iso booth and record this for you. Guys AND
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: i flip on my excite eighties flashback, channel which shows
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: me all the vintage music VIDEOS i, need and Bon
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Jovies You Give love A Bad name is, on AND
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: i am reminded of WHY i hated this guy so
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: damn much as a, child it's so. Cheesy at the same,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: time now as an, ADULT i love. IT i fucking
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: get how much of a hit it was and why
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: it was such a massive. Hit you, Know i've never
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: actively listened To john Bon jovi or Bon, JOVI i should,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: say but when that song comes on Now i'm turning
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the volume. Up it's a fucking. Banger it's a great.
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  Speaker 1: Song the chorus is, incredible no harmony's just gang. Vocals
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it's fucking. Awesome Richie sambora fucking. Rips what WAS i
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: so up tight about and angry about as a young.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Kid why COULDN'T i get with Bon? Jovi you, KNOW
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: i pride myself on being THE i talked about it last.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: WEEK i was the kid who liked all kinds of.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: MUSIC i fucking hated hair metal. THOUGH i don't. Know
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it's just like THE i guess because it was just
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the opposite of punk. Rock BUT i watched that. Video
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: now it's this dude's having. Fun they're just running around
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and their big hair and their spandex and their fucking
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: big stadium with their big choruses and their big guitar,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: solos looking at girls with big hair in the front
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: row and big cleavage and they're just it's this red,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: blooded Hot american. Fun, okay what's wrong with? That there's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: nothing just a place for. That why WAS i so
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: uptight about? IT i don't. KNOW i love. It, also
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: just side, note every Woman i've known in my, life
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: every single one has Loved john Bon. Jovi he is
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the consensus babe amongst. Chicks. WHY i, MEAN i kind
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of get. IT i, mean, yeah he's an, attractive charismatic, guy
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: and he's, talented and he writes, songs could. Sing but
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: even to this, day even, now WHICH i still kind of,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: GET i, GET i get the. Attraction WHAT i don't
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: get is a universal. Consensus so tell me what is
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: it About john Bon jovi that you? LOVE i want to,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Know LIKE i, said literally every single Woman i've ever
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: met in my life That i've, known my dad's, girlfriends my, wife,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: uh you, know previous Girlfriends i've. HAD i don't know
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: whether my sisters have opinions on. THIS i should probably ask,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Them but it's just like every Time john Bon jovie comes,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: up every time he comes on the, screen every time
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: he gets, mentioned whatever it, is it's like Oh, john you,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: know jo what was the? WORD i don't, Know john Bon,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: jovi let me know six one, seven nine oh six
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  Speaker 1: six six three. Eight let me know what your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: On john Bon, jovi our ladies and uh. Yeah also
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: hit me up with your music. Recommendations i'm here for, it,
• 33:07
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