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One Piece, 546-548 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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  episodes five forty six through five forty eight. A sudden tragedy a gunshot shuts
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  down the future and back to the present. Horty makes a move, and
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  then the Kingdom in shock an order to execute Neptune issued. In these episodes,
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  we get to find out what happened to the Queen, and I have
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  a lot of suspicions that things with her death are not what they seem.
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  Welcome to spoil Me, and welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha.
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  Thank you very much to Florian for commissioning this episode. You guys,
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  I actually really really enjoyed these three episodes, and I found myself genuinely choked
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  up at one point. This show is so unpredictable because there are times where
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  it wants me to feel something and I can tell it wants me to and
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  it's just not hitting. And then there are times where it just nails it,
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  you know, And I'm not really entirely sure what that magical ingredient is,
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  but it really was there for these episodes. So let's start off with
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  back to the press. No sorry, A sudden tragedy. That's the first
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  of the three episodes. And this is so funny because you guys, you
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  saw the way that I behaved at the end of the last trio. I
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  was very unimpressed with the fact that the Queen had decided she was going to
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  go and meet with the humans after the way that this fucking celestial dragon had
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  treated her. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me,
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  and I stand by that to be honest, Like, it just is kind
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  of wild that after the way he behaved, that he that he doesn't turn
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  out to be representative of the whole, Like I don't know who she talked
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  to in this meeting. That's part of it as well. I was assuming
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  that she met with other celestial dragons and that they would have taken his word
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  on how things went down and it would have been a complete like no go
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  for her. So I was relieved when she turns up because I was thinking,
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  like, I just really thought I knew how this was going to go.
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  At the same time, it was worse in a way when she turned
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  up because I was thinking, oh God, this means that whatever terrible thing
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  happens to her, which we know that's what's coming. Happens like here at
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  home in front of her family, and that was I was not excited about
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  this. So when she comes back, she is really excited. It says
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  she brought a piece of paper back with her that would prove a beacon of
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  hope to our entire island. It was a greater miracle than any of us
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  could have imagined. Everyone, despite our troubled history with them, the celestial
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  dragons are influential, and by meeting with them, I've been able to bridge
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  a gap. Okay, so she did meet with those explicitly celestial dragons.
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  We may attend the World Summit, listen to what we've written, and she's
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  telling them about like the endorsement. If we can fill my petition with signatures
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  at all, the world leaders at the summit will have no choice but to
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  recognize our right to be there, and furthermore, our right to be a
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  part of the surface world. Finally we will see our dream. Excuse me,
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  guys, I'm so sorry. I'm a little bit confused about this because
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  I was hoping that what she was going to come back with would turn out
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  to be like, Oh, now that we have gone and spoken to them
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  in person. It turns out that they are willing to recognize our personhood,
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  but it seems like it's more about if we have enough people's signatures to show
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  that we're cooperating, that we will get a chance to argue for our personhood.
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  And I might be misunderstanding this, but I just really wanted to put
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  this out there and ask folks that, like, if you're listening and you
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  feel like you have a better grasp of exactly how this works than I do,
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  it may even be based on something real. I was a little bit
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  mystified by some of this, and I don't I think that like it's coherent
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  within the universe what she's saying, you know, and the way that things
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  happen with the signatures there is still I felt a sufficient sense of urgency,
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  but I didn't understand exactly how this was meant to work. So she says,
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  you know, basically, I still need your signatures. We can do
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  this, but we all have to do it together. And there's a long
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  pause as the camera goes from face to face and everybody is sort of avoiding
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  eye contact, and it really seems as if nobody is on board with this
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  after all, and she begins to get really like just sort of downtrodden,
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  discouraged looking, and then some kids come up and they have their signatures,
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  and she's like, thanks, but don't get my hopes up. They're just
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  gonna take them back. I think these are the same kids that like she
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  thought were coming to class and then grabbed their parents' signatures out of the box
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  and ran off. And they say, no, no, no, my
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  mom said that she would sign up too, And all of these people finally
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  like they this has proven to be what was needed, and they all begin
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  coming forward. Eventually, this one guy says, I think you're gonna need
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  a bigger box. And we have one of the dudes, one of the
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  two guys. I can't remember what you guys said. They're called like right
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  and Left, I think. But they bring out the one that looks like
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  a sea horse, a huge box, like the size of a car,
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  and everybody begins to put their signatures in there, and she gets really overwhelmed
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  at the support of all of the people, and Jimbay, who is here
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  for all of this, is saying, how if Tiger were here, he
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  would be so touched by this whole thing. So this is all looking very
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  optimistic, and we have this moment when after all of that has settled down
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  and she's back at home with her children, who were really really worried about
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  her. She is talking to them about the future of things. But I
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  think it's just her sons that are with her for this conversation, and she
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  talks to them about what happened with the sea kings, and she calls it
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  a miracle. At first, at least in the dubs, she calls it
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  a miracle. I'm not totally sure if that's the way it like, if
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  the translation is the same. But at first, I really thought that it
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  was going to be sort of, oh, how mysterious that I was saved
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  by the sea kings, who knows what happened, you know, that sort
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  of And instead it turns out that she knows exactly what happened, and that
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  it was her daughter. I was so surprised by this. I didn't think
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  that she was going to have like heard of this this power. I'm gonna
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  read how this goes exactly she says, they say in a legend passed down
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  by our family, that every few hundred years, a mermaid will be born
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  into the royal house. With a fearsome power that no one else on the
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  island possesses. So it's not like a precise thing, it's every few hundred
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  years. And I, for some reason, I didn't really like stop and
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  consider, well, if Vanderdecken has heard of this, then maybe her family
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  has heard of this. But like guys, I genuinely didn't think of that
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  because I thought Vanderdcken was going to have been privy to some sort of like
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  private information for some reason. Why did I think this, I genuinely can't
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  tell you. I think I figured it was some sort of like nefarious thing
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  that being a bad guy, that he just has a connection with something,
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  you know. But suffice to say, she tells her sons if anything were
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  to happen that would cause her trauma, though it would potentially be catastrophic.
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  She could summon all of the sea kings at once and basically destroy the island,
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  like and because you know, when she did it to save her mother,
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  that was only three of them, I think, so she's like,
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  yeah, she could summon a whole lot more than that, and there would
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  just probably be no way that the island would survive that. So that's grim.
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  So she really impresses upon her kids in this like you've got to watch
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  out for her and make sure that something like that doesn't happen, because it's
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  you know, like she's your sister and she should be under your protection.
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  This is your responsibility, which is a real big responsibility to place on kids
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  at this age. But it leads to the scene later that, like I
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  said, got me really really choked up. So all right, let's jump
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  to the fucking signature thing. She's got all of these boxes, like I
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  told I said about the one that was big as a car. When the
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  camera pulls back, there's three boxes that size, and they are all full
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  to the top of signatures, and there is this moment when all of a
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  sudden, the signatures go up in flames out of nowhere. This was such
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  a weird thing because and like I understand that the show can't exactly like be
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  everywhere all at once, but I got so frustrated with the fact that we
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  aren't allowed to see how the guards are pursuing whoever did this. Like I
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  know that we eventually go over there to that to Jimbay and the soldiers and
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  everything, but because of the way the timing works out, it really feels
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  as if they didn't get moving looking for the perpetrator until after she died,
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  and her death scene is quite long, so it was just a sort of
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  like me just being like, is anybody like looking for these people? What
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  are we doing? And yeah, the what becomes clear is somebody lit the
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  signatures up. I suspect, and I will be honest, like, this
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  is totally an assumption on my part, but I think it's true, not
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  just to get rid of the signatures themselves, but I believe to lure her
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  to that platform where it would be easier to take her out. And so
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  yeah, she's freaking out about the signatures, imploring the guards to take this
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  seriously. I'll have to get them all over again, like it's been days
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  of work. Please do everything you can to make sure that we get as
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  we save as many of them as possible. And as she is standing there
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  collecting them, looking around with like a real the expression on her face was
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  so devastated, you know, all of a sudden, a shot rings out
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  and in the usual fashion. I loved this, guys. The way this
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  is animated is so beautifully done, and the shock of the moment and it's
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  like there's a there's all of the uh way that it's divided up. I'm
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  going to sort of rewind so that i can just talk about each frame of
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  this and the way that it goes. So she's talking to the guards,
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  let's see retreat to safety. You can count on us. And she stands
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  up, and then you see the muzzle of a gun. You see a
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  finger on the trigger, You see what looks like a view of the platform
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  through like a rifle sight, and then you hear the shot and almost follow
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  the bullet down to her. And then it's just bright red on a black
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  background with like papers fluttering, so it's as if you are looking at a
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  close up of the gunshot wound itself. I thought that was so well done.
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  And then the camera pulls out and you have the silhouette of her in
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  the flames with all of the papers flying, and then it comes back to
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  her collapsing and the this is so the moment of this and how close to
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  her first real victory with her own people she is really makes this exceptionally tragic.
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  You know, it's like she has scored a victory with her being able
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  to get this like endorsement for the petition in the first place. So I'm
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  not trying to say it's her first victory period, but it's definitely like the
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  thing that has catapulted the fishmen themselves to believe in this. And you,
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  guys, I can't tell you there is something. So when something of potential
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  gets cut off before it has a chance to really like bloom, I always
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  think that's the saddest thing, you know, whether that is a project or
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  a dream or a relationship or whatever. If you if you feel like it's
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  there and you weren't allowed to like pursue it, it just feels like life
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  being genuinely unfair in a way that I can't help but be like, why
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  why does it work out like this? You know? So meanwhile we have
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  Ottohime, who has watched this whole thing, and her eyes are doing this
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  thing like to indicate her utter shock and horror as she is distracted looking at
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  her mother who has just been fucking shot. Vanderdecken comes up behind her and
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  is about to try and like grab her and abduct her. And I was
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  like, really, at this point, even when she's this young, but
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  it's at this point I guess meant to be that it's more about her power
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  than it is about her beauty. Although later on the conversation that he has
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  with one of his men, which is highly questionable, I was sort of
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  like, maybe it's kind of both, like I'm not really entirely sure what
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  to think and how much of a benefit of the doubt to give this guy.
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  So this is when we have the scene that really got me choked up.
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  So the queen isn't dead yet. She has her moment to say goodbye
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  to her family, and her son has been you know, he didn't realize
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  that she was still conscious and with them, and he's swearing vengeance. Of
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  course, you know that's that's what you do. But she is still present
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  enough to say it to him like that's please don't like it doesn't matter who
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  did this to me. Please don't be angry on my behalf. That's not
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  what I want. I want you to fight the resentment and the hatred that
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  I know is going to try and take over. And everybody around her as
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  well, who's hearing this is also like starting to cry, and she can
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  see her daughter really like starting to lose it, and there's as she's crying,
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  there's a rumbling and she says, SHIRAJOHI calm yourself, and the brothers
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  all at the same moment realize, oh god, oh god, this is
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  what could be happening. And then we get her two goofy brothers trying to
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  like cheer her up and dance and sing about how even if their mother's not
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  there, I'm choked up again that they'll be there for her and that she
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  has them. And there was something about them like clearly being in awful pain,
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  like they are crying while they're dancing and trying to laugh. And it's
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  sort of ironic that, like oftentimes somebody being forced to present an emotion that
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  they are not at all feeling is like awful to me, But here it's
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  them doing this willingly for their sister's sake and for the sake of the island,
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  and for the sake of their mother, who is watching this all because
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  she's still alive. And it was just so sweet. It was just so
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  sweet. You guys, like the it's the little round one that starts it
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  off, and then it's the guy who is like long and thin who jumps
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  in with him, the hot brother, which is what I'll call him.
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  He watches but he isn't like willing to make as much of a a fool
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  of himself. I guess I don't know, but he's it. Just there
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  was something about these two immediately jumping to her defense in a way. I
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  don't know how else to say it, especially while their mother is still here
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  and her the last thing that she sees is that her sons are going to
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  look out for her daughter, like she asked that she doesn't have to worry.
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  I didn't cry during watching, but now I'm crying. And her son
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  says, I'll collect all of the signatures again. I'll do it, you
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  know, like I'm just going to take over where you left off, and
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  I'm going to honor your memory and we'll protect her and we are going to
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  keep fighting for your dream. And this she finally passes away, and there's
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  a moment where she like puts up her pinky and they all put up their
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  pinkies together. I don't remember if we saw them do this before, and
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  this is something that's like a family thing, or if this is meant to
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  be sort of a gesture of affection in Japan that I'm not aware of.
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  But they all do this together as like their last moment with their mother,
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  and it was just really really sweet, you guys. I really loved this.
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  I thought this was so well executed punintended, I guess. And then
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  yeah, the episode ends with her hand falling. So then we go into
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  back to the present, Hoardy makes a move. I you know, my
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  whole thing during that scene was why isn't nobody looking for the person who did
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  this? Where are the fucking guards and soldiers and whatever? And we go
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  to Jimbay, who is just like, how do I get past this kind
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  of anger? How can I find peace after everything that has happened? And
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  we have this moment where you hear somebody yell no, damn it, and
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  there's a gun that falls and one of the soldiers yells, that's him.
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  There he is, and we see a dude who gets like, it's really
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  weird, you guys. He gets sort of yanked away from the edge of
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  the building, but it's unclear who he is, how he got here.
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  Why after killing her, would he have stood there and just waited to be
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  caught. It doesn't really make sense. And of course Hordy is the one
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  who catches him and shot him in the chest before anybody was able to question
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  him. I think we can all agree it's pretty clear if he didn't,
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  like if Hordy didn't shoot the queen himself, he got this guy to do
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  it. Whatever it is, Hardy was involved and has set this whole thing
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  up because he is way too eager to hold the dude up in front of
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  everybody and be like, this is a piece of shit. Is who killed
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  the queen? It was a human After everything that Jimbei tries to be like,
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  Hey, all of the world that she has put into moving past things
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  is going to be completely ruined. Don't tell everybody what's going on here,
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  and he's just like, fuck you, I'm not keeping this to myself.
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  Which, on the one hand, I understand that Jinbei is doing what the
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  queen would have actually wanted, and I really believe that. On the other
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  hand, I can't help but think that, like, yeah, I I
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  do feel like people deserve to know. I don't know where I stand on
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  this, y'all, I really don't, but I don't think ultimately it matters.
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  I think that Hordy was really disgusted at what the queen was doing and
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  wanted to thwart it in any way that he could, and he just decided
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  to light up all the signatures and take her out, and that was the
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  way he was going to do it. So this I there's no suggestion that
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  anybody suspects him in this episode or the one after, So I'm just sort
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  of waiting for that reveal to happen. And I don't know whether to expect
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  it soon or if it's going to be something that gets sort of sat on
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  and then we eventually get there, like at the way end of the arc.
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  I don't know, but yeah, he holds this dead body up and
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  tells everybody, and basically all of the humans are just losing their minds over
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  the fact that they were about to like go full in with the humans and
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  they had done this. Meanwhile, the King, you guys, the King
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  is I was very glad that he later on comes out and apologizes because I'll
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  tell you what, the fact that he locked himself in a room and left
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  his children when they have just lost their mother and it's not just that that
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  she died, their mother was shot to death in front of their eyes,
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  and he just isolates himself. I was really disgusted with him. I'm not
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  gonna lie like there was just for me. I don't know if I could
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  have forgiven that if I were his children, I feel like I would just
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  be like carrying that my whole life, that you were just not there for
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  us in the most literal fashion during what is hopefully the worst moment of their
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  lives. And what he is claiming is that he is like keeping himself apart
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  so that he won't like lose his temper and go on a killing rampage or
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  do something that he would regret. I guess, I guess, you know.
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  I it's not good enough for me for to like abandon your kids like
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  that Minister of the Left and right. That's what these guys are called.
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  Sorry, I just saw it in the subtitles here. So eventually he does
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  come out, it's been what five days, He's in there for several days,
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  and you know, he's like just barely going to make it to his
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  wife's funeral, which like again, y'all, his children are here waiting for
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  him and genuinely not sure if he's going to turn up for their mother's funeral.
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  I just have a really hard time with that. I I like,
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  you, Neptune, why did you have to do this? Dude? You
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  know, I guess, just grief, we're not always at our best,
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  and that's just how that happens sometimes. So oh, I also wanted to
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  mention too that I know that King Neptune is huge, but I didn't really
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  quite understand that that was likely where shiro Ho she got her size from here.
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  When she's still very little, she like flies up. I say flies,
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  but I guess it swims up to him and grabs his beard and is
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  like crying into his beard, and she is very very small in proportion to
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  him. And I didn't realize like how teeny tiny she was in comparison,
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  because she's bigger than her brothers, so I was thinking that she was like
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  not the same size as she is full grown adult obviously, but evidently the
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  growth spurt that she goes through is insane because the size that she becomes later.
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  It's just I don't know how the sex would work between a woman who
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  her mother's size and a dude Neptune size, but you know what, I
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  guess that's none of my business. So and I wanted to mention too that
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  the design of like the queen and her son's in Chirahoshi, they all have
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  this sort of floating. I don't really know what to call it, like
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  a sash behind them that sort of comes off of their shoulders, and it
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  feels like it almost it's almost like a cape, but with all the fabrics
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  taken out of the middle. Do you know what I'm saying? And I
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  think this is meant to sort of reflect the whiskers of like fish or something.
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  I don't know, but all of them have it except for King Neptune.
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  The ones that the Queen had were even like more elaborate. They each
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  only have one that's like coming off of each shoulder, but the Queen had
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  like three, I think. So I was just wondering if anybody had info
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  about what that might signify, or the choice, like the design choice and
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  why they design them like this. So this is when the princess like comes
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  up to her father and she's like, these notes keep coming for me everywhere
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  I go. And Hulu doesn't give you the translation of the note, so
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  I'm not sure what it says precisely, but it's clearly like a love note
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  or a you know we're meant to be together or something like this, And
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  rightfully, the King is like, what the fuck you're a child who's doing
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  this, and it's Vanderdecken already on his bullshit. So then we have the
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  queen's funeral and it's uh interrupted by the Prince. And I really like the
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  Prince, and this is like a moment where despite the fact that I was
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  sort of disappointed that he doesn't join in with his brothers to be silly and
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  calm his sister down, it's I think there was sort of a sense with
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  Oda of like, he's the one supposed to have dignity and be really serious,
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  and how do I make him do that and not actually be a funny
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  moment, you know, which I think is probably the right call. But
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  the Prince has like got tears in his eyes and he says, look,
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  everybody. One of the last things that my mother said to me was that
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  we are almost there. And I understand that after everything, it's likely you
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  aren't going to be ready for the summit in two years. There's another summit
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  after that in six years, and maybe you won't be ready for that one
• 32:43
  either. But I understand after what has happened to my mother that it's just
• 32:52
  affirmed all of your worst fears about humans. So I'm not holding you to
• 33:00
  what you signed before this occurred. I am not going to keep those signatures.
• 33:06
  I'm burning them, and I am going to start at the beginning.
• 33:14
  I just really like respected the way he handles this. He says, together,
• 33:23
  we'll start at the beginning. Someday in our future, when your wounds
• 33:28
  have finally begun to heal, once you feel you are ready united, we
• 33:34
  will dream of a new life in the sun. And this prince is a
• 33:39
  good dude. He's going to make a good king. I am happy with
• 33:45
  him. So the funeral ends and we go back to the present with Jimbei
• 33:53
  telling the story to everything to everybody, and he describes how the king like
• 34:00
  really rarely left the palace after that, and the signatures from the island began
• 34:07
  to replenish. People did begin to have hope of this again. But yeah,
• 34:12
  it's been like sixteen years and there is still so much divisiveness between the
• 34:19
  fishmen pirates and the awful things that oh my god, you guys, I
• 34:24
  almost said, aragorn arlong did I am still sort of responsible for He was
• 34:35
  like a brother to me, and so I hope that you can understand.
• 34:38
  And we heard about what he was up to, and we tried to stop
• 34:43
  him, but he was so good at avoiding consequences because he was able to
• 34:47
  bribe and intimidate people, so there was really like very little recourse. And
• 34:55
  nevertheless he's still taking responsibility for that, and he says, that's why,
• 35:04
  though it pains me, it's my fault. And then here comes Sonji,
• 35:13
  Soanji says to him, Oh, yeah, well, if you're so sorry,
• 35:22
  kill yourself. I was irritated with Sanji to begin with that he was
• 35:31
  sort of inserting himself and this thing with Nami that he was not really a
• 35:36
  part of this moment. I was so irritated, and I loved the response
• 35:45
  the voice actress who is doing Chopper's voice, the way that she says Sanji
• 35:53
  with this genuine shock and like reprimand it was truly like a perfect reading.
• 36:00
  It's such a small moment saying only his name, but there's a lot in
• 36:06
  there. However, I was satisfied very shortly by the fact that Nami says,
• 36:15
  okay, Sanji, that's enough, and she finally steps in and is
• 36:19
  just like, you don't get to speak for me, and he says,
• 36:23
  are you serious? How could you excuse what they did to you? And
• 36:27
  she's like, I am not excusing anything, but Jimmy didn't mean for people
• 36:32
  to get hurt. And jimbay over here, if you wish for me to
• 36:38
  take my own life, and Nommy says, drop it, and she just
• 36:45
  does one of those speeches that I say one of those speeches in a sort
• 36:49
  of flippant manner. I don't mean to be like dismissive of this. I
• 36:52
  think that this is like a good moment, but it is something that we
• 36:57
  have heard before, which is everything awful that has happened to me has made
• 37:04
  me who I am. And there are so many things that if they had
• 37:07
  gone a different way, who knows where my life would be right now.
• 37:13
  I wouldn't have met my amazing friends if I hadn't been out there hustling trying
• 37:19
  to like collect the berries to pay him back. And I wouldn't change anything
• 37:23
  about where I am now because I am in the present, really happy,
• 37:30
  and I like just all of those things along the way came together to make
• 37:37
  me happy in the present, even though my past was a living hell.
• 37:42
  So I'm at peace with that. And JIMBEI is clearly like just not fully
• 37:52
  prepared to accept this, like mercy. I don't even know if that's the
• 37:57
  right word. And when when she says this, he just thinks about the
• 38:02
  Queen and how she says it doesn't matter who did this to me, and
• 38:07
  don't become angry on my behalf, and then even remembers Tiger on his deathbed.
• 38:14
  You can't tell anyone on the island what happened. The tragedy we've endured,
• 38:17
  and our hatred must die with us, and this is just such a
• 38:27
  you guys, look, it's complicated, right. This is one of those
• 38:36
  things where a big part of me can't get fully on board with the idea
• 38:44
  of hiding things from people, because folks deserve to know fully what they're getting
• 38:52
  into. So even though I definitely understand that it was the best of intention,
• 39:00
  you know that she the Queen said like, don't pursue this, don't
• 39:07
  get angry on my behalf, even though it is completely understandable the approach that
• 39:14
  Tiger took with just like, please keep this under wraps, don't let people
• 39:20
  know. I am not fully comfortable with that when it seems to be happening
• 39:28
  so often that like, maybe this is evidence that the pattern is dangerous.
• 39:37
  At this time, and it isn't the right time in history for people to
• 39:44
  band together and forgive and try and become friends. Like I feel like,
• 39:49
  if you don't know about some of the awful things that humans have done recently,
• 39:55
  you might be thinking this is going to go a lot more smoothly than
• 40:00
  it is and put yourself in a position to be really either you could be
• 40:07
  hurt, your family could be her. You know, like, there's just
• 40:12
  so much for me that that plays into this that I really love the sentiment,
• 40:22
  especially in terms of like the stop, the the what's the word I
• 40:30
  want? Somebody finally decided to put their foot down and not pursue vengeance.
• 40:37
  I think that is genuinely important. But not pursuing vengeance isn't the same as
• 40:45
  you not telling them what somebody did. Not pursuing vengeance has to be a
• 40:51
  conscious choice you make while fully informed, or it doesn't mean anything. So
• 40:59
  I guess it's supposed to be that they're not pursuing vengeance by telling people what
• 41:04
  happened. But I don't think that simply telling the truth is the same as
• 41:09
  pursuing vengeance. I think that it's informing folks of what the danger is still
• 41:17
  out there, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know you,
• 41:21
  guys, I was very like uncertain of how I felt about this, and
• 41:27
  it's it's so funny to you because like the other series that I'm covering right
• 41:30
  now, Red Rising, which I'm covering later today, there is a very
• 41:35
  similar scene as in this where it's a bunch of people who have decided they
• 41:40
  want blood and somebody having to talk them down from just that endless cycle because
• 41:49
  you know, you try and go after somebody for revenge and then whoever's left
• 41:53
  that cared about that person is going after you for revenge and then you're killed
• 41:59
  in somebody that cared about you goes after them for revenge, and fucking where
• 42:01
  does it end. Somebody has to be willing to sacrifice their desire to even
• 42:10
  the scales to get that kind of like really shortsighted justice in the interests of
• 42:22
  everybody, and what could happen to like more than just themselves due to the
• 42:28
  repercussions of that. And so yeah, this Jimbay gets very very overwhelmed here
• 42:37
  starts crying. We have Frankie over there crying as well over this whole story,
• 42:42
  and Nami is looking at jim Bay kind of like, oh man,
• 42:45
  he clearly was carrying a lot of guilt around with this, you know.
• 42:49
  And then we're interrupted by Lufy just capt like just falling over. He just
• 42:57
  collapses and snores, and it turns out that he fell asleep at the very
• 43:05
  beginning of the story. Like when he wakes up, he says, oh,
• 43:09
  I like must have missed. What happened to that criminal? What is
• 43:15
  it that he says, I'm trying to find it. Uh oh yeah.
• 43:20
  Somebody says forget it and move on, and Lufy says, oh, sure,
• 43:22
  whatever. So Jianbae, what did the queen end up doing to that
• 43:28
  thief she caught? Yeah, way way way back in the beginning of the
• 43:32
  story. So then we have the sort of like blossoming friendship between the princess
• 43:42
  and Nami. The princess says, I feel like I've known you a long
• 43:45
  time and that we have been friends, you know, and Nami just says
• 43:49
  basically, well, we've both been through a lot of horseshit, so that
• 43:52
  makes sense. And then Jimbey says, I'll okay, guys, I lost
• 43:58
  track of time. What's this at the palace anyway? Like what's going on.
• 44:02
  You told me that Hoardy and his crew took the King and the guards
• 44:07
  captive, right, and then some of your crew members are also like in
• 44:12
  the mix. You don't know anything further than that. And Hatchi says,
• 44:17
  if the siege is playing out as Hordy plan, there's a good chance the
• 44:21
  rest of the country is falling to his forces now too, And Jim Bay
• 44:27
  says, wait a second, he told you what he's going to do,
• 44:30
  Like, I had my suspicions after he left the army, but he knew
• 44:36
  not to tell me, of all people. And Hatchi is like, he
• 44:40
  wasn't smart enough to keep that shit from me, But I am going to
• 44:45
  warn you. The hatred that he feels about humans is so intense it's even
• 44:53
  worse than our alongs Our Along. There was a real funda mental difference at
• 45:00
  the bottom of the way that both of them saw things. And Arlong would
• 45:06
  never hurt his own people fishmen like we are all on the same side,
• 45:12
  and that is just not how he would roll. But Hordy feels that anybody
• 45:17
  who sympathizes with humans is also a problem that he's got to deal with,
• 45:22
  and he would have no problem taking those people out, and Hatchie says,
• 45:30
  like, also, in the last four years, we have for the first
• 45:37
  time collected enough signatures for King Neptune to speak at the summit about relocating Fishman
• 45:44
  Island to the surface, and that is the he like Jimbay assumes this is
• 45:54
  the main thing that is Hordy's focus, but Hachi's like, no, that
• 46:00
  would be nice if that's all it was, but it's a lot more than
• 46:05
  that. And this is when we get the interruption of this giant transponder snail,
• 46:14
  which everybody seems almost horrified by, like they didn't know something this big
• 46:17
  existed, and it projects the image onto the side of the bubble that the
• 46:24
  entire island is within, so everybody in the whole island, it seems,
• 46:31
  can actually see this and hear this as well. And Hordy announces to everybody
• 46:40
  it's so funny he because that's the end of the episode, is like him
• 46:45
  appearing on the screen. But then when he starts things out off, he's
• 46:50
  like, hey, am I coming through, Like he basically doesn't like a
• 46:54
  tap tap tap is this thing on when he begins And I thought that that
• 46:59
  was actually genuinely funny, but yeah, Horty is letting everybody know that he
• 47:07
  has the king and he is going to kill him, that anybody who likes
• 47:15
  humans should get the fuck out, and you he you know, had been
• 47:21
  having his men go around with this photo of the queen that people had to
• 47:24
  step on to prove that they weren't loyal to the King and Queen anymore.
• 47:31
  But Hordy says, that's way too easy. There is no way that's enough.
• 47:38
  What I'm doing is looking through the signatures and everybody who signed this fucking
• 47:49
  thing saying that we should be friends with the fucking humans. All of you
• 47:54
  are being eliminated because this kingdom is going to be a lot better off without
• 48:00
  you. And it like it makes a lot of sense actually that this is
• 48:07
  the way that he would like approach this. It's kind of perfect to just
• 48:12
  have a list of names and all of these people get gripped up like right
• 48:17
  away. It was sort of surprising to me how perfectly organized this is for
• 48:24
  him to take out his vengeance on human lovers essentially. And Hordy, for
• 48:32
  his part, is talking about how like there's going to be a whole new
• 48:36
  era, we'll have more discipline, and end friendly relations with the humans,
• 48:42
  and all of his men are, you know, standing behind him with their
• 48:45
  weapons ready, and he's like, I think it's high time that we just
• 48:50
  acknowledge the fact that humans are inferior to us, like we are stronger,
• 48:58
  we are faster, we are better, loul and the fact that we have
• 49:06
  been serving them as slaves makes no fucking sense, which I can't help but
• 49:13
  also see the point there. But yeah, so he says that my men
• 49:19
  are going to be out there ridding the people of everybody who would like weaken
• 49:25
  this discipline that I'm trying to establish, and you have to treat all of
• 49:32
  my men with respect, And then he actually says something like kind of nice
• 49:37
  about the queen Otohime was indeed selfless and worked tirelessly to build a bridge between
• 49:45
  fishmen and humans. I do respect her spirit, but have you forgotten the
• 49:52
  end of her tail? She was killed by a human. Even if you
• 49:55
  approach them with a true heart and kind intentions, they'll take advanta of you
• 50:00
  and leave you in the dirt. We have to wake up, can't you
• 50:05
  see? And again I really do think that he was the one who killed
• 50:09
  her, and his overall thesis is just as long as we follow this royal
• 50:17
  family and do what they say, we're doomed. We're just like all eventually
• 50:23
  going to be enslaved. It's just going to end badly for us because there's
• 50:29
  no other end in sight, you know. And he says, the king
• 50:37
  got old. It happens to everyone. The only way to advance is to
• 50:42
  eliminate the old guards so they won't hold us back anymore. And then we
• 50:46
  have this weird interruption from Nami. She says, when you think about it,
• 50:53
  this mess is kind of our fault. If we hadn't shown up,
• 50:59
  the king might be fine. I don't follow this line of thinking. I
• 51:07
  may like, is it forgive me, guys, because so much happened at
• 51:15
  once that I'm not like sure where to start with this. Is she talking
• 51:21
  about like Loofy being invited in and then like supposedly abducting but actually just sort
• 51:28
  of absconding with the princess? Or is she talking about Zoro and the like?
• 51:35
  But she they wind up blaming Zoro. But I don't remember like exactly.
• 51:43
  I know that he got there before them, and that he was drinking
• 51:45
  and stuff, but I can't remember if he initiated anything that would cause this.
• 51:52
  I I don't follow her logic here. For his part, Jim Bay
• 51:58
  just hears Nami say that, and I'm immediately leaps to like the worst conclusion,
• 52:02
  and and the what's her name Kamie is like, dude, they were
• 52:10
  trying to defend themselves. It's not what it sounds like, because instantly wants
• 52:15
  to know what the fuck they did. So, yeah, the old Yugu
• 52:21
  kingdom has worn out. It's welcome, this is hoardy again. Time to
• 52:24
  say goodbye. In three hours, at the Concord Plaza, the weak and
• 52:30
  incompetent King Neptune will be put to death. And of course Shira Hoshi is
• 52:37
  horribly upset by this, and he talks about gold Roger here and says,
• 52:45
  uh, and I didn't know this, so this is like kind of adding
• 52:52
  a new dimension to things. He talks about gold Roger that era was notable
• 52:57
  for countless acts of persecution at the hand of humans. It's only natural that
• 53:02
  Neptune's execution will bring about a great Fishman era, one in which we reign
• 53:09
  over humans. Now, what's sort of funny to me about this is that
• 53:16
  Horty is being really, really shortsighted, because if he were really wanting to
• 53:22
  reign over humans, the thing to do would be to go to that summit
• 53:29
  and act as if you're doing this all in good faith, and then turn
• 53:32
  around and stab them all in the back after, like once they've allowed you
• 53:39
  into the human lands and you have yourself set up so that you're not like.
• 53:46
  The difficulty is that Fishman Island is so deep and difficult to get to
• 53:52
  and create such a separation between humans and and not between him, but like
• 54:02
  between fishmen and their homeland that I think it probably would serve your ends a
• 54:09
  little bit better if you were able to re establish a homeland on the surface
• 54:17
  and then begin your reign of terror from there. For all I know,
• 54:24
  that is his plan, but it doesn't sound like it the like, I
• 54:30
  don't think that he destroys the signatures because he just starts, you know,
• 54:37
  reading them off, So I don't I can't tell if that's something. Let's
• 54:42
  see he has, like the the paper from the queen from ten years ago.
• 54:46
  If I destroyed this letter, you won't get another one along with that.
• 54:52
  Here we have a box and these are the signatures. So I don't
• 54:58
  know. Maybe he isn't when to do my plan, Like, I don't
• 55:02
  think that he has that kind of long term vision. He's not destroying the
• 55:08
  papers, but he is like stomping all over them, so I think that
• 55:13
  pretty much amounts to the same thing. So yeah, then we have the
• 55:17
  sequence of him being like, Okay, now I know who to weed out,
• 55:22
  and he just starts reading different people's names, and you hear like exclamations
• 55:29
  all over the island of folks who are hearing their names called out, and
• 55:34
  the I feel so bad because like, I don't know if this is going
• 55:39
  to go how it seems. There's a weird sort of animation for a moment
• 55:45
  where Hordy is reading the names and it almost looks like there's a spinning disc
• 55:51
  almost like a bandsaw or something, And I don't know what that's supposed to
• 55:57
  be, but it's on either side of his head, like top and bottom,
• 56:02
  and I couldn't understand. I think maybe it's supposed to be like the
• 56:07
  view from inside somebody's eye who's like eyelid is partially shut in fear, who
• 56:14
  has begun sort of trembling. But it just looks so strange that I was
• 56:19
  like, I is that it tagare of Coral Hill and then we hear him
• 56:27
  yelling no, no, not me, please, But he's yelling not me
• 56:31
  even though there aren't like soldiers coming to get him. There aren't pirates like
• 56:37
  you know, in the vicinity immediately approaching him. So I was sort of
• 56:44
  wanting this dude to like bail, you know, to turn around and just
• 56:49
  attempt to escape, and to see what happens when they try to do that,
• 56:52
  because I need there to be I need it to be made clear to
• 56:58
  me as a viewer the position that these people are in and that they can't
• 57:04
  escape. And I don't remember, guys, I feel like this is probably
• 57:10
  true, but I don't recall if it's actually explicitly said. So we know
• 57:16
  that the pressure of the water outside the Fishman Island bubble is such that it
• 57:23
  would crush the humans and their vessel if they weren't coated. Right, are
• 57:30
  the fishmen immune to that pressure or could it destroy them as well? And
• 57:37
  they have to be protected by the bubble of the island Not totally sure,
• 57:44
  but regardless, if there is there's a scene and I'm out of time here,
• 57:52
  but it's very brief with Vanderdecken where one of his men tells him about
• 58:00
  object and this is from like the flashback that could age up the princess so
• 58:05
  that Vanderdecken wouldn't be a creep for marrying her. And I love that one
• 58:09
  of his men is like, it's okay, sir, we already know that
• 58:13
  you're a creep. I did think that was actually kind of funny, and
• 58:20
  an argument about like, well, she's gonna get even bigger, and he's
• 58:22
  like, who cares? I like big women, different strokes. Okay.
• 58:30
  Then we go we have a moment in the present with all of our guys
• 58:35
  who have apparently been caught as a prisoner, and it's we have this weird
• 58:43
  flashback before they had been caught, and I don't understand what it was that
• 58:50
  they were attempting to do, Like they're in this cage in the present,
• 58:55
  and who's up is like a ten to do a psychic power to get rid
• 59:01
  of the chains that's making his nose like spin around. It would just we
• 59:07
  have the flashback from Brooke and because he says like, did you see those
• 59:13
  guys faces when I stood up? And we kind of go back and see
• 59:17
  how they all like pretended to be dead Brooke was just hanging over the side
• 59:23
  of a railing here, and eventually he jumps up, surprising them all because
• 59:30
  they thought that he was just a skeleton, and Zorro is excited to see
• 59:37
  the way that he is like frightening these dudes. And I thought it was
• 59:40
  going to be like, oh, Zorro's like nice one, Brooke, because
• 59:45
  then he can attack them, but it doesn't occur. He doesn't attack them.
• 59:52
  Is he already tied up at that moment. This was very puzzling to
• 59:57
  me. I didn't really understand anything that was happening in the scene. So
• 1:00:01
  just like all we know here is just that they have been imprisoned and are
• 1:00:08
  part of the hostage situation. And then we have this brief scene with Robin
• 1:00:15
  who says that this like ponent glyph looks like a letter an apology to somebody,
• 1:00:22
  and she says, like who is it to why would they engrave it
• 1:00:27
  in stone? And part of it she reads aloud as Joyboy, which I've
• 1:00:32
  got no theories on that one. So the episode ends long story short with
• 1:00:44
  a conversation where Jim Bae explains that like the main issue for Hordy is that
• 1:00:53
  he knows the princess has this power to summon these sea kings, and that
• 1:01:02
  he wants her taken off the board. So that is why he has teamed
• 1:01:08
  up with Vanderdecken, because Vanderdkin will kill her if she isn't able, if
• 1:01:15
  she like she won't marry him, and he thinks of the princess as a
• 1:01:22
  huge threat despite the fact that she doesn't actually know how to use her power.
• 1:01:28
  And Jimbay when when she says this like she's not in control of it,
• 1:01:31
  Jimbay's like, all right, well, don't let him know that.
• 1:01:34
  He needs to see you as a threat, like we need to have this
• 1:01:37
  be something that we can leverage, you know. And then Lufy is like,
• 1:01:43
  all right, well, I'm gonna head out and start fighting this guy.
• 1:01:46
  And Jimbay is like, Lufy, you are not up for it and
• 1:01:52
  I have got to take care of this, let me do it. And
• 1:01:55
  Lufy is basically like, have you met me? No, I'm I'm not
• 1:02:00
  just letting you do it. Are you fucking serious? These are my friends?
• 1:02:04
  He's threatening, and the kid like no, and Jimbae has a moment
• 1:02:07
  of like, man, I should have fucking known because your brother was hardheaded
• 1:02:10
  as fuck too, so yeah, of course you're gonna be like this,
• 1:02:16
  And the episode basically ends with the two of them squaring up on each other
• 1:02:21
  like they are going to fight over who gets to go fight, which is
• 1:02:24
  silly, Jimbay, just let Lufy participate. It's been years since the last
• 1:02:30
  time you saw him fight. He is capable of a lot more than he
• 1:02:32
  used to be capable of, which I think you're probably about to find out.
• 1:02:37
  So I would think it would be better for you to save your strength
• 1:02:39
  and energy and health for the fight with the other dudes than just waste time
• 1:02:46
  here fighting each other. But what do I know. I am just a
• 1:02:52
  young woman who doesn't know about the ways of war. As Danny would say,
• 1:02:55
  all right, guys, I'm gonna wrap this up, but thank you
• 1:02:59
  again so much for hanging out with me, for listening. I really hope
• 1:03:01
  you're enjoying the coverage. And until next time to the loo, motherfuckers.
• 1:03:35
  That was an unspoiled Network podcast.