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The Kenny Report | 28 January · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny.
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Speaker 2: Report spot on Roscoe. We'll have plenty on that tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Inflation is not beaten, interest rates
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Speaker 2: are set to rise again and electricity prices are heading
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Speaker 2: ever higher to labor breaking faith with all it's promised.
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Speaker 3: US Opposition chaos continues now.
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Speaker 2: The Nationals leader David little Proud is facing a leadership
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Speaker 2: showdown as the latest Sky News poll confirms one nation
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Speaker 2: is out polling the coalition parties. Pauline Hansen joins me,
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Speaker 2: I'll cross to esther Kraku in the UK two, where
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Speaker 2: reform is poaching MPs from the Conservatives. Scott Morrison looks
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Speaker 2: to the Muslim community to help fight Islamist extremism and
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Speaker 2: immediately cops a slap down from the Immans.
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Speaker 3: Also heat waves and weather records.
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Speaker 2: I'll share some long forgotten facts with you, Tom Switzer,
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Speaker 2: Melissa McIntosh and the Wednesday wrangle with the Nieka and
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Speaker 2: justin let's try and squeeze it all in. First, Inflation
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Speaker 2: is up and that means interest rates are about to
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Speaker 2: go up again too. Consumer prices jump by one percent
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Speaker 2: last month, up one full percentage point in a month
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Speaker 2: that's pushed the annual inflation rate up to three point
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Speaker 2: eight percent and the underlying rate to three point three percent,
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Speaker 2: both figures way above the Reserve Bank's target. So when
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Speaker 2: the RBA Board meets next month next week, actually expect
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Speaker 2: interest rates and your mortgage to go up again. If
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Speaker 2: they don't, it'll look like the Governor Michell Bullock is
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Speaker 2: even more susceptible to political pressure.
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Speaker 3: Than we thought, and it might only delay the inevitable.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, it seems like we've had only five minutes of
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Speaker 2: interest rate relief.
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Speaker 3: Remember what Anthony Albanezi promised.
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Speaker 2: Labor has real lasting plans for cheaper electricity, childcare, cheaper mortgages.
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Speaker 2: But we've had twelve interest rate rises since Labor came
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Speaker 2: to power. We've got three small decreases over the past year,
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Speaker 2: and now they're heading up again. And a key driver
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Speaker 2: of inflation has been record increases in electricity prices, set
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Speaker 2: to continue thanks to Labour's renewables obsession. Not to mention,
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Speaker 2: of course, Labour's record spending fueling the problem too. But
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Speaker 2: the ever smirking Treasurer still reckons he's the bomb.
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Speaker 4: Since we came to office, we've got public spending down
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Speaker 4: from around a third of the economy to closer to
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Speaker 4: a quarter of the economy. We found one hundred and
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Speaker 4: fourteen billion dollars in savings delivered two surpluses, got the
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Speaker 4: debt down via a couple of hundred billion dollars as well.
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Speaker 3: Just this is just delusional.
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Speaker 2: Government spending is still way above a quarter. It should
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Speaker 2: be below twenty five percent, but it's over twenty seven
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Speaker 2: percent and the cost blowouts keep coming. The Australian Financial
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Speaker 2: Review reported today a fifty seven billion dollar budget blowout,
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Speaker 2: and its economics editor John Keyo said that the deterioration
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Speaker 2: in the budget deficit over the medium term is overwhelmingly
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Speaker 2: due to higher planned spending by the Albanese government. As
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Speaker 2: a result, the budget is no longer projected to return
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Speaker 2: to surplus within the next ten years. Yeah, and this
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Speaker 2: helps drive inflation, as does the electricity shambles, and that
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Speaker 2: means we're certain to see interest rates go up again.
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Speaker 2: How many promises can Labor get away with breaking. Former
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison has made a timely call for
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Speaker 2: action to tackle Islamist extremism and anti semitism in the
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Speaker 2: wake of the Bondai terrorist attack. Speaking at an anti
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Speaker 2: Smotism conference in Israel, Morrison echoed the reality that I've
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Speaker 2: pointed out here for more than two years, that the
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Speaker 2: warning signs in.
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Speaker 3: Australia were there.
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Speaker 2: Immediately after October the seventh, twenty twenty three, within.
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Speaker 5: Forty eight hours of October seven, pro Palestinian protesters gathered
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Speaker 5: at the Sydney Opera House, chanting violent anti Semitic slogans.
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Speaker 5: Regular protests followed in Sydney and in Melbourne over the
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Speaker 5: next two years, culminating in an estimated one hundred thousand
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Speaker 5: people marching across our Sydney Harbor Bridge along side those
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Speaker 5: calling for globalized Intofada, death to Israel defense forces, the
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Speaker 5: elimination of the Jewish state from the river to the sea,
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Speaker 5: and even the display of portraits of Iran's supreme leader
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Speaker 5: as Ione Herziali observed of similar protests in the UK,
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Speaker 5: many participants were compassionate people seeking peace, but they chose
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Speaker 5: to march side by side with those promoting hatred.
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Speaker 3: And making another point that we've made here often.
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Speaker 2: Morrison said that as well as doing too little to
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Speaker 2: quell this hatred, the Albanesi government's actions only made it worse.
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Speaker 5: At the policy level, the Albenese Labor government ended seventy
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Speaker 5: five years of bipartisan support for Israel by unilaterally recognizing
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Speaker 5: Palestinian statehood. Are moved praised by Hamas itself. In this environment,
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Speaker 5: is it surprising that radicalized Islamis bent on violence convinced
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Speaker 5: themselves their moment had arrived and that another Australian icon,
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Speaker 5: Bondi Beach, should be the scene for their atrocity.
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Speaker 2: Rather than merely criticized. The former PM outlined a policy
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Speaker 2: plan to tackle Islamist extremism, saying we need to learn
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Speaker 2: from how Muslim nations combat radicalization themselves.
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Speaker 5: Islamic leaders have a pastoral duty to protect their communities
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Speaker 5: from radicalization, and I believe most take this responsibility very seriously. However,
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Speaker 5: stronger institutional frameworks would assist them, but it would also
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Speaker 5: expose those who do not share their commitment. And it
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Speaker 5: is time that the Islamic institutions in Australia adopted nationally consistent,
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Speaker 5: self regulated standards, including a recognized accreditation work from ARMS,
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Speaker 5: a national register for public facing roles, clear training and
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Speaker 5: conduct requirements, and disciplinary authority for their governing councils. This
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Speaker 5: requires a peak body that goes beyond representation to being
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Speaker 5: given the authority and tools to enforce membership standards. This
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Speaker 5: does not currently exist in Australia. Religious education should promote coexistence,
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Speaker 5: civic responsibility and respect for Australia's pluralism, explicitly rejecting anti
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Speaker 5: semitismanism and incitement. Teaching should be transparent with English translations available.
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Speaker 5: Religious leaders must also clearly reject political Islam and transnational
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Speaker 5: movements that weaponize faith for power rather than worship, and
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Speaker 5: warn their faithful about such movements.
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Speaker 3: It all makes sense, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: This is similar to the approach advocated on this program
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Speaker 2: last week by one of Morrison's former ministers, Alan Tudje.
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Speaker 6: What I would like to see though in Australia is
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Speaker 6: for the Islamic Church, for one of a better word,
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Speaker 6: to get together and put greater structures in place and
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Speaker 6: solves are doing the policing so they can monitor it
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Speaker 6: in the same way Now that the Catholic Church, for example,
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Speaker 6: monitors all of the Catholic priests. They have to go
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Speaker 6: through training, they get monitored. If there's misbehavior, then they
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Speaker 6: get removed. That needs to happen and ideally led by
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Speaker 6: the Islamic leadership themselves, and if they don't do that,
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Speaker 6: I think the state will have to step in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it all makes sense. But sadly and predictably,
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Speaker 2: Muslim groups have condemned Scott Morrison's intervention. The National Imam's
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Speaker 2: Council says Morrison's comments calling for reform imply that Islam
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Speaker 2: or Muslims bear responsibility for the recent terrorist attacks at Bondai,
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Speaker 2: and the comments are reckless, irresponsible and deeply ill informed.
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Speaker 2: The Immam's Council says Islamophobia doesn't require spectacular acts of
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Speaker 2: violence to be harmful. The normalization of stereotypes, pejorative labels,
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Speaker 2: and inflammatory language steadily erodes social trust and undermines social cohesion. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what undercuts trust and social cohesion. It's
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Speaker 2: extremism and terrorism. And all Morrison is doing is talking
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Speaker 2: about how Muslim leaders and communities can assist in combating
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Speaker 2: that evil. Morrison knew he'd cop criticism, so listen to
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Speaker 2: his preemptive response.
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Speaker 5: Some will seek to characterize my remarks as hostile to
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Speaker 5: Australia's Islamic community and even multiculturalism itself. Trialing out the
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Speaker 5: usual accusations of Islamophobia. To the contrary, I am advocating
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Speaker 5: reforms that I believe will help religious leaders in our
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Speaker 5: Islamic community keep the wolves from their flock. To treat
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Speaker 5: such issues as taboo serves only those who wish to
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Speaker 5: keep these influences opaque and in the dark, where our
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Speaker 5: too homegrown is stream islamis territrists, terrorists were radicalized after
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Speaker 5: December fourteen. All options to combat anti Semitism must be
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Speaker 5: on the table in Australia without fear or favor. This
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Speaker 5: includes Islam, how Islam is practice and governed in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to be smart enough and courageous enough
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Speaker 2: and mature enough to have this discussion.
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Speaker 3: The problem is known.
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Speaker 2: It is called Islamist extremism, radical Islams. Others call it
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremism. That doesn't mean we blame all Muslims, but
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Speaker 2: it does mean that Muslim communities are vital partners in
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Speaker 2: fighting this threat. Heat Waves and bushfires are a tough
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Speaker 2: aspect of living in this wonderful country. We all know
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Speaker 2: that will always have to deal with them in this
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Speaker 2: land of droughts and flooding rains, which is one reason
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Speaker 2: climate alarmists in our media and politics always worry me.
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Speaker 2: They pretend we can somehow reduce natural disasters by I
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Speaker 2: don't know, using renewable energy or driving electric cars. This
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Speaker 2: is arrant nonsense. Of course, nothing we do in Australia
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Speaker 2: will change the climate, and whatever happens with the climate
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Speaker 2: will always have droughts and fires and floods. The other
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Speaker 2: thing to watch out for is exaggeration and lack of
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Speaker 2: context when it comes to weather records, especially heat records.
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Speaker 3: They don't they're not so fussed with the minimum records.
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Speaker 2: And I've shown you before how the Weather Bureau doesn't
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Speaker 2: always share all of the facts. And this week we've
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Speaker 2: seen the news that Victoria recorded its highest ever maximum
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Speaker 2: temperature yesterday, The mercury topped forty eight point nine degrees
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Speaker 2: in the state's northwest at wollpy Up near Oyon. Now
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Speaker 2: that's a stinker in anyone's language. But just for the record,
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Speaker 2: Thanks to the National Library, we can check old newspaper
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Speaker 2: reports and on this date in nineteen thirty two, it
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Speaker 2: was reported that the previous day, Ollion recorded a top
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Speaker 2: temperature of one hundred and twenty four degrees fahrenheit. That's
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Speaker 2: fifty one point one degrees celsius. That's more than two
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Speaker 2: full degrees celsius higher than the new statewide record recorded
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Speaker 2: on the same date ninety four years later yesterday in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: And if we go back even further to January nineteen
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Speaker 2: oh six, we can see that Mildura, just up the
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Speaker 2: road recorded one hundred and twenty three point five degrees
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Speaker 2: fahrenheit or fifty point eight degrees celsius, again almost two
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Speaker 2: degrees celsius higher than yesterday's new statewide record.
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Speaker 3: And this was one hundred and twenty years ago.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Weather Bureau disregards these records. Its homogenization process,
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Speaker 2: massages these temperature records down or in some cases dismisses
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Speaker 2: them altogether, based on the equipment that was used back then.
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Speaker 2: But the temperatures were recorded, and the only reason they're
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Speaker 2: not records now is because of these recent Weather Bureau
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Speaker 2: revisions downwards. Now, even if you accept their scientific methods
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Speaker 2: fair enough, you can hardly be precise, though, can you
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Speaker 2: about adjustments to temperatures recorded a century ago. All we
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Speaker 2: can say is that this week has been about as
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Speaker 2: hot as it gets in this part of the world.
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Speaker 2: But has it been this hot before? Who can really
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Speaker 2: say for sure? I'll cross to a One Nation leader
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen in just a moment. But first let's update
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Speaker 2: the good news for her in the latest opinion poll.
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Speaker 2: This is the first sky News you Gov Pulse survey
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Speaker 2: and it confirms that One Nation is outpolling the Liberals
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Speaker 2: and the Nationals.
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Speaker 3: Even if we put the coalition back together.
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Speaker 7: They're still get twenty percent, so clearly behind One Nation
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Speaker 7: at twenty five and down nearly twelve percent compared to
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Speaker 7: where they were at the last election.
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Speaker 2: This is pretty extraordinary stuff, but tellingly it also shows
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Speaker 2: the potential for the right of center parties. In my view,
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Speaker 2: if you add together One Nation and the coalition parties,
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Speaker 2: they're polling forty five percent of the primary vote. That's
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Speaker 2: more than Labor and the Greens combined, which total forty
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Speaker 2: three percent. So it's not a matter of the Nation
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Speaker 2: becoming suddenly more left wing. It's more a matter of
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Speaker 2: the right of center being divided and not being able
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Speaker 2: to maximize and concentrate its support. And one of the
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Speaker 2: key issues to tap into is immigration, where One Nation
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Speaker 2: is clear cut about reducing migration numbers.
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Speaker 7: Finally, on immigration, a big driver, no doubt of one
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Speaker 7: nation support. Well, the numbers here are start three percent,
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Speaker 7: increase it a lot. They're saying five percent, increase it
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Speaker 7: a small amount, twenty eight percent about the same.
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Speaker 3: But here's where the big numbers come in.
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Speaker 7: Twenty one percent say let's increase it by a small amount,
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Speaker 7: and a massive forty three percent want a big decrease.
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Speaker 2: So there it is sixty four percent of voters, almost
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Speaker 2: two thirds of Australian voters want lower immigration.
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Speaker 3: I bet that doesn't surprise you.
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Speaker 2: Let me bring in Pauline Hanson, who joins US from Canbra, Pauling,
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Speaker 2: I bet it doesn't surprise you either.
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Speaker 8: No, of course it doesn't surprise me. I've been saying
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Speaker 8: it for decades, Chris, And to listen to this and
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Speaker 8: the polling that's happening, it's encouraging. I thank people for
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Speaker 8: their sport and something has to happen about it. So
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Speaker 8: we're putting pressure on the major political parties to start
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Speaker 8: addressing the policies. And it just makes me, you know,
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Speaker 8: I feel so sick when I hear labor out there saying,
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Speaker 8: but we are actually controlling immigration numbers. Now we've reduced
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Speaker 8: them after you were the ones that actually had mass
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Speaker 8: migration of seven hundred and forty thousand one year between
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Speaker 8: twenty two and twenty three.
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Speaker 9: And now you cause the problem.
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Speaker 8: Now you're taking credit because you're reducing it. Give me
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Speaker 8: a break.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is laughable.
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Speaker 2: There are small reductions from record highs. It's still mass
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Speaker 2: immigration by any examination of the figures and our historical intake.
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Speaker 2: Just on the polls though, my point about how one
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Speaker 2: nation and the coalition parties combined have a higher primary
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Speaker 2: vote than the Greens and Labor combined, that kind of
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Speaker 2: demonstrates the mess of politics at the moment because labor
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Speaker 2: at thirty percent, that's a record load for labor.
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Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting they're going to lose government at the moment.
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Speaker 2: They're benefiting from chaos on the coalition side, on the
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Speaker 2: right of center side.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that the case.
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Speaker 8: They're trying to benefit from a Nissandi chaos that's happening
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Speaker 8: in the coalition of silence, And there is chaos, Chris,
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Speaker 8: by all means, there is, But we still two years
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Speaker 8: outside the election of the polls who are encouraging by
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Speaker 8: all means, but you can't count a check before they hatch.
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Speaker 8: Let's see what happens at the ballot box. My job
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Speaker 8: now is to encourage people to vote for one nation
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Speaker 8: because we are determined in to change the policies and
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Speaker 8: mass migration, address cost living, address climate change, bars that's
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Speaker 8: going on there. All these things impact on our country.
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Speaker 8: I spoke to a couple of Italian men today at
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Speaker 8: the airport and they said, we came in the country
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Speaker 8: in the seventies and eighties. They said, we actually worked.
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Speaker 8: Nothing was given to us. They are fed up with
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Speaker 8: the new migrants come to this country, take advantage of
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Speaker 8: this country, use our laws against us, ourselves, you know,
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Speaker 8: to and enhance their own benefits in this country. We've
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Speaker 8: lost the Australian values. And he said, you know what
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Speaker 8: one fellow said to me. He's in my family want
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Speaker 8: to come out to Australia and telling him, he said,
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Speaker 8: I told him, no, this country is not the country
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Speaker 8: it used to be. This is what you got migrants
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Speaker 8: telling their families want to come here. We are in
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Speaker 8: hell of a mess in this country. And the young ones, Chris,
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Speaker 8: I've got to tell you this, the younger ones that
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Speaker 8: turned up on Australia Day, they're coming out of the woodwork.
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Speaker 8: They're saying, hey, we understand what the country has become.
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Speaker 8: We don't want any part of it because this is
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Speaker 8: our country.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people are worried about it.
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Speaker 2: Now in the battleground of electoral politics, your key rival
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Speaker 2: off it is the Nationals. They see you as a
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Speaker 2: big thread. Of course, they're about to have a leadership spill.
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Speaker 2: Colin Voice is going to challenge David Little Proud. Is
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Speaker 2: he any choice?
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Speaker 3: Or were we likely to see someone else put up
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Speaker 3: their hand, perhaps someone like Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 8: Colin's a nice bloke, He's really involved in his own
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Speaker 8: constituency and he fights hard for them. I like Colin
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Speaker 8: as but he won't win the leadership, okay, challenging that
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Speaker 8: he may be actually doing that to get someone else
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Speaker 8: put up for the leadership against David Little Proud. So
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Speaker 8: I don't know if Matt Canavan will actually take it on.
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Speaker 8: He's not in the Lower House, so most of the
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Speaker 8: members of the National Party are in the lower House
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Speaker 8: where the Matt Canavan can do it from the upper House.
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Speaker 8: But anyway, but remember that it's the National Party nationally
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Speaker 8: or only on two percent, and they can see the
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Speaker 8: writing on the wall just.
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Speaker 2: Quickly, Pauline that your big problem, I would predict in
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Speaker 2: the lead up to the next election is going to
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Speaker 2: be candidates in the House of Representative.
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Speaker 3: You're going to have to You're going to.
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Speaker 2: Have to find a hell of a lot of candidates
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Speaker 2: around the country, and I predict you'll end up with
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Speaker 2: some doozies that will embarrass you.
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Speaker 9: Chris.
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Speaker 8: We haven't done that in the last couple of elections.
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Speaker 8: You know, we run the candidates beforehand. But the process
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Speaker 8: that we have now is very good. We've got Barnaby
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Speaker 8: that's there at the moment. So anyway, Chris, we've got
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Speaker 8: some really really good candidates. We'll be announcing them in
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Speaker 8: the next few months. Who our candidates are. We've got
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Speaker 8: good talent there. People that are you know, want to
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Speaker 8: make a difference in this country, will fight for it.
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Speaker 8: So don't underestimate myself, all the party or our candidates.
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Speaker 8: I tell you what, all of us, the whole lot.
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Speaker 3: A lot of them.
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Speaker 8: The political party is going to answer for some of
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Speaker 8: the doozies they've had over the years, I can tell you.
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Speaker 3: And the biggest josey the Labor.
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Speaker 8: Party has at the moment is Chris Bowen, don't you
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Speaker 8: tell me that about my candidates.
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Speaker 3: It's put on. You're right, they've all had some doozies.
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Speaker 3: But I tell you what, Pauline, you are not a
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Speaker 3: fringe player.
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Speaker 2: At times you have been, you've been, but you've ridden
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Speaker 2: the waves high and low in the past. But at
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Speaker 2: the moment you are a political force to be reckoned with.
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Speaker 2: And I appreciate catching up with you every week. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Pauling Hanson, they're live from Canberra. Tell you what. As
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Speaker 3: you know, she's a regular on this program, and she is.
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Speaker 2: Just attracting people, both politicians, candidates, members and people voting
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Speaker 2: for with the polls identifying that vote her with the posters.
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Speaker 2: It's fascinating stuff to watch. We'll see where it all
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Speaker 2: ends up. I want to get back to electricity now.
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Speaker 2: We've spent plenty of time warning about how fragile our
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Speaker 2: energy grid is. Just last night, one hundred thousand Victorian
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Speaker 2: premises were in the dark at eight o'clock last night
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Speaker 2: during that state's heat wave. While in South Australia, prices
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Speaker 2: spiked at wholesale prices spiked at are whopping twenty thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a Mega. What hour on Monday night in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales at the same time, where there's mainly coal
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Speaker 2: fired powers were hovering around one hundred and forty dollars
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Speaker 2: per Mega.
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Speaker 3: What are that's the difference.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Danny Price, Managing director of Frontier Economics.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken to him many moons ago and he's an
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Speaker 2: expert in this field.
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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Danny. I really wanted
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Speaker 3: to hear from you because you've built the cat.
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Speaker 2: On what we've seen this week with the heat wave,
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Speaker 2: the extraordinary rises and wholesale prices and the fragility of
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Speaker 2: the grid. Are we heading for blackouts at some stage
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Speaker 2: during a severe heat wave.
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Speaker 10: Well, we're basically getting through on luck at the moment,
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Speaker 10: and the luck that we're getting.
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Speaker 1: Is that.
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Speaker 10: Individual states are peaking at different times.
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Speaker 11: So what.
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Speaker 10: The system will fall over is my prediction. If you
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Speaker 10: have multiple jurisdictions New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia all
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Speaker 10: hitting hot days at the same time, especially if you've
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Speaker 10: got a couple of days sequence of that, and in
21:59
Speaker 10: the past we've had that, but in the last six
22:02
Speaker 10: seven years those sort of events have occurred on public
22:07
Speaker 10: holidays or weekends, not on work days when the demand's
22:10
Speaker 10: very high. So what happened in South Australia, of course,
22:12
Speaker 10: is that it was a classic case. It was very
22:18
Speaker 10: still in the evening, very hot, demand continued on no solar,
22:23
Speaker 10: no wind or very little wind, and then the batteries
22:27
Speaker 10: wound down very quickly and so they needed power to
22:31
Speaker 10: keep going through the evening to air conditioned houses and
22:35
Speaker 10: allow people to live, and there's very little power left,
22:38
Speaker 10: and of course the prices went through the roof. And
22:41
Speaker 10: that was just a hot day in South Australia. That's
22:45
Speaker 10: how fragile the place is. Fortunately, Victoria Brown Coal Generation
22:50
Speaker 10: was holding up the South Australian system. So a lot
22:54
Speaker 10: of people sit there and go, well, you know, South
22:57
Speaker 10: Australian system is renewable, isn't that wonderful, But it wasn't
23:00
Speaker 10: renewable at that time. It was Brown Cole that was
23:03
Speaker 10: keeping the lights on in South Australia. A lot of
23:05
Speaker 10: South Australias don't realize that.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is the point, right, It's such an important
23:09
Speaker 2: point because South Australia boasts about its renewable share, but
23:13
Speaker 2: it has the highest power prices in the country. Mind
23:15
Speaker 2: you and in a crisis like that, it relied on
23:18
Speaker 2: coal power coming in from Victoria, and Victoria's trying to
23:22
Speaker 2: get rid of coal and go more renewable, so god
23:24
Speaker 2: knows where the power will come from next time. Also
23:27
Speaker 2: in South Australia had diesel generators and gas peaking plants
23:31
Speaker 2: kicking in and taking advantage of those extremely high prices.
23:35
Speaker 3: What is the solution here, Danny? Is it much more
23:38
Speaker 3: gas power that can come in and out quickly.
23:42
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I think everyone knows what my view
23:45
Speaker 10: is on this, and I've been saying for some time
23:48
Speaker 10: and produced a lot of evidence that the way forward
23:52
Speaker 10: to have a reliable, low cost system is to add
23:55
Speaker 10: some nuclear into the meat. So keep the cold going
23:59
Speaker 10: until you got nuclear in. A year ago everyone said, oh, well,
24:04
Speaker 10: you know coal's going out in a big rush and
24:06
Speaker 10: we don't have time to put nuclear in. Well, in
24:08
Speaker 10: the twelve months since I've done that analysis, Queensland's walked
24:12
Speaker 10: away from their closes schedule. Ararian is going to have
24:15
Speaker 10: a life extension. Victoria inevitably will, so the excuse for
24:20
Speaker 10: not putting nuclear in has now gone. And everything that
24:24
Speaker 10: I said about the inevitable delay enclosure of coal has
24:29
Speaker 10: now happened. So that's that's what we should be doing.
24:32
Speaker 10: We should be moving towards an optimum mix of you know,
24:36
Speaker 10: about thirteen gigawatts of nuclear at least and some gas
24:43
Speaker 10: and renewables. I think that mix, as I've shown, it's
24:46
Speaker 10: about twenty five percent cheaper, you know, under kind of
24:51
Speaker 10: most circumstances. It's it's it's and it's a lot more reliable.
24:56
Speaker 10: And there's no there's no good reason that well we're
24:58
Speaker 10: not doing it. There's there's thirty five plant that are
25:02
Speaker 10: very close to being commissioned around the world. Nuclear pound
25:05
Speaker 10: plant commission around the world, and in some countries that
25:09
Speaker 10: struggle to feed themselves yet they're building a nuclear pound plant.
25:14
Speaker 10: But somehow kind of beyond us to do it.
25:17
Speaker 3: It makes so much sense.
25:19
Speaker 2: You effectively keep a large chair of renewables and gas
25:22
Speaker 2: to help out, but you replace that fixed baseload generation
25:26
Speaker 2: from coal, you replace that with clean nuclear.
25:28
Speaker 3: And as you say, we've got the time to do it, I'm.
25:31
Speaker 2: Certain it's going to happen because it's so logical. It's
25:33
Speaker 2: just a matter of the politicians waking up to it.
25:35
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Danny.
25:37
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
25:38
Speaker 2: Danny Price there from Frontier Economics, he is all over it,
25:41
Speaker 2: an absolutely expert in the field.
25:43
Speaker 3: He says, we've got to get that nuclear energy into
25:45
Speaker 3: the mix.
25:45
Speaker 2: By the way, apart from that fragility of the grid,
25:48
Speaker 2: prices are going to keep going up even further in
25:50
Speaker 2: the coming years. After the break, we're going to have
25:53
Speaker 2: a look more on the riots in Minnesota. They're continuing
25:56
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump is looking to de escalate the situation.
25:59
Speaker 3: Tom Switzer will joined me.
26:05
Speaker 2: We talked yesterday about media bias over the troubles in
26:08
Speaker 2: Minneapolis with Immigration Customs Enforcement or ICE officers shooting dead
26:13
Speaker 2: two protesters who tried to disrupt their work this month.
26:17
Speaker 2: But our own ABC has disgraced itself with its controversial
26:22
Speaker 2: Global Affairs editor and staff elected board member Laura Tingle
26:27
Speaker 2: writing on ABC platforms about Alex Petty's killing as murder. Well,
26:33
Speaker 2: there was a shooting death, we've all seen it, but
26:36
Speaker 2: no charges have been laid, let alone proven. So this
26:40
Speaker 2: description was not only legally and ethically problematic, it was
26:43
Speaker 2: also plain wrong. And the ABC has edited this story
26:46
Speaker 2: after they were alerted to it. It's pretty embarrassing for
26:50
Speaker 2: the ABC and for Tingle, who recently said the ISLAMUS
26:53
Speaker 2: terrorist attack.
26:54
Speaker 3: At Bondi had nothing to do with religion.
26:57
Speaker 2: Let's get more on what's unfolding in the US with
27:00
Speaker 2: columnist and former ABC Radio national host Tom Switzer. Tom,
27:05
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Do you expect that Donald Trump
27:09
Speaker 2: is going to be able to de escalate the situation?
27:13
Speaker 2: It seems like he's looking to change the operations in
27:17
Speaker 2: Minnesota at the very least.
27:22
Speaker 12: Well, he has a good story to tell in the
27:24
Speaker 12: sense that he has secured the southern border.
27:27
Speaker 1: You know, he has been tough on illegal immigration.
27:29
Speaker 12: He's fixed the mess that he's predecessor, Joe Biden bequeathed
27:33
Speaker 12: to him at the beginning of last year. And that
27:36
Speaker 12: story is not really getting told, in part because it's
27:39
Speaker 12: been overshadowed by this crisis. And it has been a crisis.
27:42
Speaker 12: I mean, when you have the Wall Street Journal, America's
27:45
Speaker 12: leading conservative editorial page, say that this is a moral
27:50
Speaker 12: and political debarcle for this presidency.
27:52
Speaker 1: It's a problem.
27:53
Speaker 12: Many Republicans are upset, But my sense is that Trump
27:57
Speaker 12: will modify the policy and water it down and try
28:00
Speaker 12: to reach a compromise. The problem, though, is that it's
28:02
Speaker 12: a very polarizing environment right now in Minneapolis, and you
28:07
Speaker 12: have many state officials egged on by a lot of
28:10
Speaker 12: left wing citizens who are trying to undermine the efforts
28:13
Speaker 12: of law enforcement to actually put in place Trump's policy.
28:17
Speaker 1: So the fault lies on both sides.
28:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's unquestionable because obviously it's been heavy
28:22
Speaker 2: handed policing. There's been two tragic deaths, but a lot
28:26
Speaker 2: of the protesting has been way over the top, and
28:28
Speaker 2: it's been egged on by the governor no less than
28:30
Speaker 2: many other politicians. Let's have a look at what Donald
28:33
Speaker 2: Trump has had to say his latest We view that.
28:36
Speaker 1: As a very unfortunate incident.
28:38
Speaker 2: Okay everyone, unless you're a stupid person, very very unfortunate incident.
28:44
Speaker 3: I don't like that he had a gun.
28:45
Speaker 12: I don't like that he had two fully loaded magazines.
28:48
Speaker 1: That's a lot of bad stuff.
28:49
Speaker 9: And despite that, I say, that's a very unfortunate.
28:55
Speaker 2: And unusually, we've heard from the first lady as well.
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Speaker 13: We need to I'm calling for unity. I'm against the violence.
29:04
Speaker 13: So if police, if you protest, protest in peace, and
29:09
Speaker 13: we need to unify in these times.
29:12
Speaker 2: Good advice from Millennia there Tom this is the issue,
29:16
Speaker 2: though is and if you're going to have protesters trying
29:18
Speaker 2: to disrupt police operations and they're armed when they're doing it,
29:22
Speaker 2: that is a recipe for disaster. What can Trump do
29:26
Speaker 2: to cool this down?
29:32
Speaker 12: Going down the rhetoric is the first thing. I mean,
29:34
Speaker 12: these Ice shootings of two innocent people, I think was
29:39
Speaker 12: just highlighted the danger of overach and the administration's description
29:43
Speaker 12: of these people as domestic terrorists I think was simply wrong.
29:47
Speaker 1: I mean, the last person, Alex Petty, was a nurse
29:51
Speaker 1: with no criminal record.
29:54
Speaker 12: So I think the language needs to calm down because
29:56
Speaker 12: all of this is just fueled public anger, and it's
29:59
Speaker 12: made many Americans feel that the immigration enforcement the ICE
30:06
Speaker 12: is making the cities less safe, and there's broad discomfort,
30:09
Speaker 12: including among Republicans.
30:11
Speaker 1: But it goes both ways.
30:13
Speaker 12: When you have left wing Democrats and radical socialists saying
30:17
Speaker 12: that the Ice killings were amounted to murder and an execution,
30:22
Speaker 12: that is.
30:22
Speaker 1: Way over the top. And that brings me back to
30:25
Speaker 1: Laura Tingle.
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Speaker 12: Why a seemingly impartial, objective reporter and a taxpayer funded
30:31
Speaker 12: broadcaster would report that this was murder. She's basically taking
30:36
Speaker 12: the sides of the left wing partisans in this staush,
30:40
Speaker 12: whereas a good ABC journalist should try to be as
30:42
Speaker 12: impartial as possible.
30:44
Speaker 1: But that's Laura Tingle for you.
30:45
Speaker 12: So look, feelings are very emotional on both sides, both
30:50
Speaker 12: the Democrat left and the Republican right, the MAGA movement.
30:54
Speaker 12: It's now up to the president to do everything you
30:57
Speaker 12: can to tone this down.
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Speaker 2: Laura Tingle, Global Affairs Editor, islamus terrorism has got nothing
31:03
Speaker 2: to do with religion, and she describes that killing, shocking, killing,
31:08
Speaker 2: as murder, as extraordinary stuff.
31:10
Speaker 1: She's got born because she said very partisan thing.
31:15
Speaker 2: Indeed she has in the past, and she's also the
31:18
Speaker 2: staff elected member on the ABC board. Extraordinary. Thanks for
31:23
Speaker 2: joining us, Tom, I appreciate it.
31:24
Speaker 3: Tom Switzer there.
31:25
Speaker 2: He wrote a cracking column this week on the problems
31:28
Speaker 2: confronting the coalition parties at the moment. We'll get back
31:30
Speaker 2: to those issues with him next week, no doubt, because
31:32
Speaker 2: after the break I'm going to talk about how the
31:34
Speaker 2: opposition chaos is continuing. Now the Nationals leader David Little
31:38
Speaker 2: Proud facing a leadership showdown. A lot of talk about
31:46
Speaker 2: what's happening in the Liberal Party and the National Party.
31:49
Speaker 2: Now let's catch up with Shadow Communications Minister Melissa McIntosh.
31:52
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Melissa. A lot of advice, gratuitous advice,
31:58
Speaker 2: some would say, coming from the Nashals to the Liberals
32:02
Speaker 2: about who should lead them. Do you want to buy
32:04
Speaker 2: into the Nationals argument now? Do you think Colin Boyce
32:07
Speaker 2: is the man to lead the Nationals?
32:12
Speaker 11: What do you think My answer is going to be, Chris,
32:15
Speaker 11: I think it's not a great idea to weigh into
32:18
Speaker 11: Nationals leadership discussions when we're a coalition. It's probably an
32:24
Speaker 11: even less good idea right now. But I do want
32:28
Speaker 11: to say I think we're stronger when we are together
32:31
Speaker 11: as a coalition. I certainly feel that way, and I've
32:35
Speaker 11: expressed that since the breakup, really and I hope that
32:39
Speaker 11: we can work through things and get back to being
32:41
Speaker 11: a strong opposition. I know that's what my community wants
32:44
Speaker 11: out here in Penrith.
32:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:46
Speaker 2: I think there's no doubt that the fact that Nationals
32:48
Speaker 2: leader has basically said he wants the Liberals to change
32:51
Speaker 2: their leader.
32:51
Speaker 3: Has galvanized a lot of Liberals.
32:53
Speaker 2: Why you know, behind Susan Lee, why should they they
32:56
Speaker 2: change at the behest of the Nationals. But there's no
32:58
Speaker 2: doubt she's in strife. Do you expect to see a
33:01
Speaker 2: leadership change. You've spoken about your ambitions in the past.
33:05
Speaker 2: Would you put your hand up for a leadership position.
33:11
Speaker 8: You're right.
33:11
Speaker 11: I have spoken about my ambitions publicly and I've also said,
33:17
Speaker 11: you know, I do love our country and I love
33:19
Speaker 11: our party and I'd be such an honor in the future.
33:22
Speaker 11: But that doesn't mean that's now. And Susan does have
33:26
Speaker 11: my support as our leader. I always back the leader.
33:30
Speaker 11: It's been my mantra since I got into politics. And
33:34
Speaker 11: you know, when I go out into Penrith, and I've
33:37
Speaker 11: been doing that a lot. I think when there's a
33:39
Speaker 11: bit of strife around, the best thing to do is
33:41
Speaker 11: go back to your community. They want us to sort
33:43
Speaker 11: things out quickly and get back to thinking about them
33:47
Speaker 11: big issues here.
33:48
Speaker 9: I know Pauline thinks she owns the.
33:50
Speaker 11: Issue of immigration, but people in Penrith. I surveyed my
33:53
Speaker 11: community a number of weeks ago over months now around
33:57
Speaker 11: immigration and ninety of survey respondents set it's too high
34:02
Speaker 11: and they want it to come down.
34:04
Speaker 3: And as putting.
34:05
Speaker 11: Pressures on our scores, on infrastructure and services, definitely on
34:09
Speaker 11: our hospital and there's an element of people being concerned
34:12
Speaker 11: about the safety of our citizens when it comes to immigration.
34:14
Speaker 11: I spoke about this in Parliament last week and this
34:17
Speaker 11: is just one issue that people want us to focus on.
34:19
Speaker 3: It's a really big issue.
34:20
Speaker 2: Another big issue for you, coming back to your Shadow portfolio,
34:24
Speaker 2: is the social media band. You've been critical of the
34:26
Speaker 2: way it was foisted on people, and we still don't
34:30
Speaker 2: know how it's going to work out. Right, it's been introduced,
34:33
Speaker 2: the kids aren't really back at school yet.
34:35
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens with it.
34:36
Speaker 2: But the sky News YouGov Pulse survey has showed incredible
34:41
Speaker 2: levels of support from the public. Sixty nine percent of
34:44
Speaker 2: people all up support this social media ban. Do you
34:49
Speaker 2: think that that support is going to continue or do
34:52
Speaker 2: you think we're going to see problems unfold.
34:56
Speaker 11: I stand by my criticism and putting pressure on the
35:00
Speaker 11: government because you know, they put this policy on Australians
35:04
Speaker 11: with a deadline of December ten, and I know supports
35:07
Speaker 11: strong because parents want to protect their kids. We all
35:09
Speaker 11: want kids to be safe online in particular and not
35:13
Speaker 11: being subjected to ab horrent social media content. But I'm
35:19
Speaker 11: questioning still around the effectiveness of it and the Prime
35:22
Speaker 11: Minister said, well, success is a national conversation. I don't
35:25
Speaker 11: think that's really success. And even today it's been reported
35:29
Speaker 11: it's been reported that the age verification technology that the
35:34
Speaker 11: company is doing this for Snapchat aren't checking whether it's
35:38
Speaker 11: correct when somebody says there are a certain gender or
35:41
Speaker 11: certain age. And I think that's a concern as well,
35:43
Speaker 11: because we know kids are getting around it. You just
35:45
Speaker 11: gout to go down your local shopping center and kids
35:47
Speaker 11: still have their heads in their phones and they're still
35:49
Speaker 11: on this social media.
35:51
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of teenagers on their mobile phones. Absolutely.
35:56
Speaker 2: I think they might be getting around it. Either that
35:58
Speaker 2: or they're all watching Sky News on flat. I wish
36:00
Speaker 2: it were so, but I don't think that's what the
36:02
Speaker 2: kids are doing. Thanks for joining us, Melissa, really appreciate it.
36:05
Speaker 2: You're on when we're on of course. Yeah that is
36:08
Speaker 2: Melissa Macintosh, Shadow of Communications Minister. Now I want to
36:11
Speaker 2: get back to UK politics here and another one who's
36:14
Speaker 2: bitten the dust, Nigel Forraja's Reform Party has poached another
36:18
Speaker 2: Conservative MP. This time it's the former Home Secretary Suella Bratherman.
36:22
Speaker 3: Here. She is speaking yesterday.
36:25
Speaker 14: The truth is that in recent years. I have found
36:28
Speaker 14: myself effectively in a social democrat, left leaning party made
36:33
Speaker 14: up of Conservatives in name only, no wonder, I have
36:37
Speaker 14: felt politically homeless for years.
36:39
Speaker 15: And what she's lost isn't her career within the Conservative Party.
36:44
Speaker 15: What she's lost is her battle to get the Conservative
36:47
Speaker 15: Party in the place that she thought it ought to be.
36:52
Speaker 2: Some of this is redolent of what we're seeing with
36:54
Speaker 2: One Nation and the coalition here, isn't it. The Conservative
36:57
Speaker 2: Party leader kemmy Bednock shrugged off the line. But there
37:00
Speaker 2: are fears that more MPs are considering their options. Let's
37:04
Speaker 2: bring in writer and broadcaster. Is the cracker joining us
37:07
Speaker 2: from the UK?
37:09
Speaker 3: Walk us through this? This is quite significant.
37:11
Speaker 2: I mean, Nagel faras you know, you know, a protest
37:14
Speaker 2: movement in any ways, in many ways without a really
37:18
Speaker 2: good organization and numbers of MPs behind it. But he's
37:22
Speaker 2: bringing them on board.
37:23
Speaker 3: And quite significant figures from the Conservative Party.
37:27
Speaker 9: Yeah.
37:27
Speaker 16: And I think you're going to see a lot more
37:29
Speaker 16: high profile defections up until May when you have some
37:32
Speaker 16: local elections, which is basically the deadline that Reform has
37:35
Speaker 16: set publicly for any Conservative defections and that's not even
37:39
Speaker 16: a guarantee that if you're a Conservative MP or former MP,
37:42
Speaker 16: that you actually be accepted into reform, which is something that.
37:45
Speaker 9: Has been made clear by Zia yusuf.
37:47
Speaker 16: I was actually expecting Sweller brother Mean to be the
37:49
Speaker 16: first high profile Tory to defect to reform, one because
37:53
Speaker 16: her husband was already flirting and part of reform, but
37:56
Speaker 16: also because she was probably the most prominent Conservative minister
38:01
Speaker 16: who was basically at odds with her own government saying
38:03
Speaker 16: we have to leave the ECCHR. We need to use
38:06
Speaker 16: mechanisms to stop this ridiculous boat crossings across the Channel
38:09
Speaker 16: from France of.
38:10
Speaker 9: These illegal migrants.
38:11
Speaker 16: Why did the Conservative Party spend all this money actually
38:13
Speaker 16: hiring Australian consultants so that we can achieve the results
38:16
Speaker 16: that your country did back in twenty twelve if we're
38:19
Speaker 16: just going to justice in it. The Rwanda scheme she
38:22
Speaker 16: championed as well, which the Labor Party basically got rid
38:25
Speaker 16: of on day one, and now they've hit a record
38:27
Speaker 16: of the worst numbers of boat crossings across the channel.
38:30
Speaker 16: They have no control over our borders and no doubt
38:34
Speaker 16: that also includes people actually dying in the channel that
38:36
Speaker 16: don't get enough publicity because they would just mya this
38:40
Speaker 16: current labor government and more scandal. So what reformers doing
38:43
Speaker 16: is is trying to cherry pick basically failed Tories. And
38:46
Speaker 16: I know there's concern because people don't want reform to
38:49
Speaker 16: be the Tory party. The country has overwhelmingly rejected the Tories.
38:52
Speaker 16: But they have to learn from the Tory's mistakes in
38:55
Speaker 16: order to be successful and understand what is going to
38:57
Speaker 16: take to get this country back on track.
39:00
Speaker 3: We all understand immigration.
39:01
Speaker 2: We've talked about the immigration issue in the UK many
39:03
Speaker 2: times over recent years on this program. That seems to
39:06
Speaker 2: be the number one issue driving people to reform.
39:10
Speaker 3: What would you say are the other issues?
39:12
Speaker 2: What are issues two and three where reform I've got
39:14
Speaker 2: it over the Conservatives.
39:16
Speaker 9: Oh, definitely, cost of living and energy.
39:19
Speaker 16: I mean, our energy policy is probably the most bonkers
39:22
Speaker 16: thing ever because we have one of the highest energy
39:24
Speaker 16: prices in the industrialized world and yet we're literally an
39:27
Speaker 16: island floating on energy.
39:29
Speaker 9: It doesn't make any sense.
39:30
Speaker 16: We have our current Energy Minister Ad Miliband, who lives
39:32
Speaker 16: in cloud Cuckoo Land, who's banning drilling in the North
39:36
Speaker 16: and drilling of oil in the North Sea, which Donald
39:38
Speaker 16: Trump has rightly said is completely insane. We were supposed
39:41
Speaker 16: to be having three hundred pounds off of our yearly
39:44
Speaker 16: energy bills for years now. That hasn't happened. We've invested
39:47
Speaker 16: hundreds of billions of pounds into renewable energy since twenty
39:50
Speaker 16: ten and prices are really skyrocketed. So that's something that's
39:53
Speaker 16: certainly resonating with a lot of reform leaning voters because
39:56
Speaker 16: it's really crushing businesses as well.
39:58
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary.
40:00
Speaker 2: I know whether you've ever been to Australia, but if
40:01
Speaker 2: we changed a few names, including of the parties, and
40:04
Speaker 2: swapped out Reform for one Nation and the Conservative Party
40:07
Speaker 2: for the coalition here and those issues immigration, energy and
40:10
Speaker 2: cost of living, this same scenario is playing out here
40:13
Speaker 2: in identical fashion, which is why the UK situation is
40:17
Speaker 2: endlessly fascinating for us. But I do want to go
40:20
Speaker 2: to something a little bit, a little bit off pissed
40:23
Speaker 2: if you're like, because you've brought to our tension what
40:27
Speaker 2: the labor government, what the Starma government is doing in
40:30
Speaker 2: the UK.
40:30
Speaker 3: The latest step on.
40:32
Speaker 2: The animal rights and they're banning the tossing of crabs
40:36
Speaker 2: or lobsters.
40:37
Speaker 3: In the boiling water. Can you talk us through this one?
40:41
Speaker 3: Surely this is overreach.
40:43
Speaker 16: Yes, this is clearly a part of Kostomba's horde vegans
40:47
Speaker 16: that are creating this policy to further over blooded in
40:50
Speaker 16: the hospitality industry. Apparently you can't boil lobsters alive. Their
40:54
Speaker 16: solution is to stun them. Even the professional industrial stunning
40:58
Speaker 16: equipment costs at least two thousand and five pounds and
41:00
Speaker 16: they're not small, so this is a burden on already
41:02
Speaker 16: struggling businesses.
41:03
Speaker 9: But you just also have to think of the logic
41:05
Speaker 9: of this.
41:05
Speaker 16: So you're not going to ban you're not going to
41:08
Speaker 16: make religious exceptions for like Helaus slaughter for example, which
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Speaker 16: is farm no, yeah, exactly, but you expect us to
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Speaker 16: cuddle animals to death. I mean they're also trying to
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Speaker 16: ban CO two slaughtering cows with CO two by knocking
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Speaker 16: the mouth with the carbon dioxide gas, which is actually
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Speaker 16: quite a common practice, particularly in places like Germany. And
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Speaker 16: their solution again is to read them, spand out Ballet's
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Speaker 16: lyrics and then cuddle them to death.
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Speaker 9: It's ludicrous.
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Speaker 2: We have an expression in Australia, so it don't come
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Speaker 2: the raw prawn with me and I reckon Starmer is
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Speaker 2: coming the raw prawn with the Brits when he's banning
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Speaker 2: the boiling of lobsters and crabs. Thanks for joining us,
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Speaker 2: we'll catch you next week. It's it's the correct who
41:48
Speaker 2: They're joining us from the UK. We're going to get
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Speaker 2: to a break on the other side of the Wednesday
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Speaker 2: Wrangle with Denika and Justin.
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about tennis star Coco go Aff.
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Speaker 2: She speaks spoken out about that meltdown that winter it
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Speaker 2: perhaps you didn't think it would. Let's get into the
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Speaker 2: Wednesday Wrangle, would.
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Speaker 3: The opinionated Danika the Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Hello, that's it Columbus broadcaster Justin Smith joining us from Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: First up, guys, I want to get your thoughts on
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison buying into Islamists extremism and the Imam's Council
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Speaker 2: quickly slapping him down.
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Speaker 17: Your thoughts, Tanika, I'm surprising the Imam's Council slapped him down,
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Speaker 17: but this is the first time we've actually heard somebody
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Speaker 17: Chris come out with some sort of a solution to
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Speaker 17: tackle radical Islam and we can't say it's not racist.
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Speaker 17: It's not islamophobic. We actually need the courage to have
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Speaker 17: a conversation about this. It's all right for labor to
42:37
Speaker 17: keep coming out and saying we need to be tolerant.
42:39
Speaker 17: Our tolerance has worn thin. We were tolerant during the
42:41
Speaker 17: Link Cafe sage, during the Balley bombings during nine to eleven,
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Speaker 17: and now fifteen people have been murdered in cold blood,
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Speaker 17: and what we just sit here and continue the tolerance. No,
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Speaker 17: it is incumbent on Muslim leaders to come to the
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Speaker 17: table on this. Yes, Muslims live peacefully the majority in
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Speaker 17: this country, but it's time to start calling them out.
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Speaker 17: And it also goes to if there are red flags
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Speaker 17: in mosques where people are being radicalized, raise the red flag.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you say, and as I said in my
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Speaker 2: notatorial has not unexpected the reaction from the Imman's Council,
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Speaker 2: but it's very disappointing justin because this is an issue
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Speaker 2: that nobody's sort of putting them the pressure on them
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Speaker 2: to fix it.
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Speaker 3: It's about working with them, helping them to fix it.
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Speaker 2: It's called Islamist extremism, so obviously it's an issue where
43:23
Speaker 2: the Muslim community.
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Speaker 3: Has to help.
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Speaker 18: Absolutely, Look I can't believe I'm agreeing firstly with you,
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Speaker 18: and then secondly with you Deniger, and then thirdly with
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Speaker 18: Scott Morrison. But now, look, I'm not sure how it
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Speaker 18: would work on the ground, and I think it's only
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Speaker 18: half a plan at the moment from Morrison. But I
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Speaker 18: would say, look, if there is a problem with extremism
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Speaker 18: inside a religion, and there is certainly a problem with
43:50
Speaker 18: extremism inside the Muslim religion, then yeah, it is absolutely
43:55
Speaker 18: up to the religion and people inside it, even you know,
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Speaker 18: the good people and the people who are doing wrong
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Speaker 18: try and do well. It's up to the good people
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Speaker 18: to try and do something about it. And do they
44:08
Speaker 18: really want to see their religion to continue to be
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Speaker 18: tarnished like this. I'm talking about the good people now
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Speaker 18: the extremists. The only thing you can do is call
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Speaker 18: them out and get the law after them. To be frank,
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Speaker 18: but I've got no problem with the plan.
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Speaker 3: And this is the point that this is a very
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Speaker 3: sensible plan.
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Speaker 2: This is what we need in response to the anti
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Speaker 2: Semitem and the Islamist extremeism we've seen in this country.
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Speaker 2: It's a much more useful contribution than the changes to
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Speaker 2: gun laws and hate speech laws.
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Speaker 3: He's a little bit more of what Scott Morrison had
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Speaker 3: to say.
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Speaker 5: In Israel, it is not a religion, but an ideology
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Speaker 5: that weaponizers face faith for political ends within it. Anti
44:49
Speaker 5: Semitism is not incidental, it's core doctrine. It's the point
44:55
Speaker 5: selective religious references are fused with imported Europeans conspiracy theories,
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Speaker 5: recasting Jews is a hidden enemy responsible for global disorder.
45:06
Speaker 5: Israel is not treated as a state to debate, but
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Speaker 5: as proof of the Jewish conspiracy that must be annihilated
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Speaker 5: from the river to the sea.
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Speaker 2: He's explaining the problem, he's explaining the ideology, and he's
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Speaker 2: explaining how it hijacks the Muslim faith.
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Speaker 3: The big question justin is.
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Speaker 2: Whether you think the Albanezi government would be brave enough
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Speaker 2: to take up an idea like this.
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Speaker 18: Look, I would really I would really hope that they would.
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Speaker 18: As I said, look, I think it's still short on
45:35
Speaker 18: some detail on how it would work, and I see
45:38
Speaker 18: some problems in it working on the ground.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 18: You know this business about registering mms or whatever phrase
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Speaker 18: he has used. But also he is not the first
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Speaker 18: guy to be saying these things, and that's the problem too.
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Speaker 18: That extremism has been a problem inside religion, particularly inside
45:56
Speaker 18: the Muslim religion, for a hell of a long time now.
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Speaker 2: But there's been two little action. There's two little action.
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Speaker 2: Well the Labor Party, let's be Frank, Anthony Albanisi.
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Speaker 3: And Tony Burke and others. They can't even say slimmist extremism.
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Speaker 3: They won't even say it, let alone confront it. And yes,
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Speaker 3: Alan taj was the former minister, was on this program.
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Speaker 3: Well it is true. They actually try and explain why
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Speaker 3: they don't think it is.
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Speaker 17: Anthony Alberanzi's message throughout the summer, his line was, this
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Speaker 17: is a perversion of Islam. Why don't you just come
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Speaker 17: out and say radical Islam?
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Speaker 9: Why don't you just call it out for what it is?
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Speaker 17: And in the end, as you mentioned, Chris, a bit
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Speaker 17: Labor hid behind gun laws and hate speech laws. A
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Speaker 17: gun buyback is not going to solve the problems of
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Speaker 17: radical Islam. It's actually about confronting his head on, and
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Speaker 17: Labour should actually be out there calling on Muslim leaders,
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Speaker 17: calling on them to call it out, because it does
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Speaker 17: start with naming the problem and they have a big
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Speaker 17: role to play.
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Speaker 2: I want to move on to a different but slightly
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Speaker 2: kind of related issue, and that is the hate speech
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Speaker 2: laws that they worry me because where do you draw
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Speaker 2: the line and are they imposed fairly and evenly. We've
47:03
Speaker 2: had someone charged under the existing New South Wales hate
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Speaker 2: speech laws because of what he said about the Jewish
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Speaker 2: people being the enemy of the state.
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Speaker 3: Good.
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Speaker 2: But we've had all these hate preachers, Muslim hate preachers
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Speaker 2: over the past two years.
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Speaker 3: None of them have been prosecuted.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this bloke on the Australia Process
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Speaker 2: on Monday, see what you think of this speech.
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Speaker 4: I hope the white genocide does happen because you guys, yeah,
47:34
Speaker 4: that's all.
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Speaker 1: The flag. It's genocidal country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants a white genocide. Justin because we're all sees.
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Speaker 3: Is that hate speech? Should that sort of thing be prosecuted?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, yes. In short, absolutely, it's sickening. I really can't
47:56
Speaker 18: believe how much hate is flying around sort of of
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Speaker 18: the country at the moment. It just doesn't feel like us,
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Speaker 18: but sadly it is us at the moment. Yes, it
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Speaker 18: is hate speech. Yes it should be prosecuted.
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Speaker 3: You're so right, justin. You know, I'm a gray beard
48:13
Speaker 3: now I'm a bald gray Beard.
48:14
Speaker 2: I've been around a while, right, and I've spent all
48:18
Speaker 2: my life in Australia, but I've traveled widely and I've
48:21
Speaker 2: never seen Australia as divided and nasty and hateful as
48:24
Speaker 2: this now, Dannika.
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Speaker 17: No, and this is why, more than ever, Chris, we
48:27
Speaker 17: have to protect our values, we have to take back
48:30
Speaker 17: our country now. If that's not hate speech again, it
48:32
Speaker 17: just exposes the hypocrisy of Labor and exposes the loopholes
48:37
Speaker 17: of this hate speech policy.
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Speaker 9: What constitutes hate speech.
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Speaker 17: I'm all for them going over after these neo Nazis,
48:43
Speaker 17: as you mentioned, I'm all for that. They are despicable,
48:45
Speaker 17: But it seems that Labor is very comfortable using again
48:48
Speaker 17: neo Nazis as a fallback as opposed to not the
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Speaker 17: hate preachers, hate preachers or hate speech in my view
48:54
Speaker 17: like this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to apply it to consistently. Let's finish
48:57
Speaker 2: on a lighter note and go to the tennis and
49:00
Speaker 2: the American tennis player Coco Golf.
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Speaker 3: She wasn't too happy, looked. They said, well, I think
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Speaker 3: we're gonna grab a business.
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Speaker 19: I tried to go somewhere where they wouldn't broadcast it,
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Speaker 19: but obviously they did so. Yeah, maybe it's some conversations
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Speaker 19: we can be had, because I feel like at this
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Speaker 19: tournament the only private place we have is the locker room.
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Speaker 3: Far out.
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Speaker 18: Justin, I don't know if you bought a tennis record,
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Speaker 18: but you know, hey, I kind of feel like this
49:31
Speaker 18: about six o'clock every every Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: Actually, one time you guys are going on smash. Just
49:41
Speaker 3: don't smash my Crows money. We are just about out
49:45
Speaker 3: of time. Thanks so much for Johnny us, Justin and Denika.
49:47
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I see them destroyed aoking like that.
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Speaker 2: I feel for all the parents around the country and
49:53
Speaker 2: trying to buy their kids tennis records or whatever. They
49:55
Speaker 2: see them smashed like that by my son a cricket
49:58
Speaker 2: bat the other weekend. All they're not cheap. Don't smash them.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 19: Mm hmmmmmmmmmmmmm