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Fantasia 2000 · The After Ever After Podcast

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  Hello, everyone, and welcome to the After Ever
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  After podcast, the show where we take a look
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  at Disney sequels to truly see what life is like
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  after ever after. My name is Andy and I'm joined
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  by James. Hi. Hello. This is our first ever episode,
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  so I think we could lay some groundwork. We're
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  going to go through all of the Disney classics
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  from Snow White to Zootopia 2, I guess. And we're
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  going to go through each one, look at the sequels
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  and see which ones are worthy. of the legacy
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  set up by the iconic originals yes we are i think
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  it could be good to uh set the stage a bit here
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  what's your kind of relationship with uh like
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  like did you watch a lot of these growing up
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  or is it like so when i was a kid um i watched
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  loads of the disney classics i'm trying to think
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  of which ones that i didn't watch i don't think
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  i watched like rescuers yeah Give me some others
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  and I'll tell you whether I've watched them or
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  not. Without giving away our age too much, I
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  reckon we would have deemed shit hot on Lion
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  King, Aladdin, Little Mermaid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Had all of those on VHS showing my age there.
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  But yeah, I watched a fair few. I think one of
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  the ones that I hadn't watched until a lot more
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  recently was Beauty and the Beast. But yeah,
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  in terms of... disney sequels um until today
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  i have never ever seen a disney sequel even some
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  of the newer ones so like frozen 2 never seen
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  it moana 2 never seen it wrecking ralph 2 never
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  seen it there's a lot of the well i mean i've
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  seen one now yeah as of for this yeah for this
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  yeah mine's not like i'm not like like it's not
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  like you've never seen any and i've seen them
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  all or anything like i've seen like my fair share
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  like i've seen like the aladdins and the uh the
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  lion king and stuff like that um but it was just
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  like as and when um so i've got like some experience
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  with it for sure um but i think it's fair to
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  say because like we both are like disney fans
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  right but like we're not like disney adults like
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  we're not obsessed with it we don't go to disneyland
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  or anything like that like so it's kind of weird
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  that of all the people in the world the two of
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  us would maybe decide to make this podcast but
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  i think we're both just kind of fascinated with
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  like how strange these sequels are and the weird
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  way they come out and they always seem to have
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  like these i don't know just strange origins
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  and stuff yeah i i like the thing for me and
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  i remember thinking this when i was younger when
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  i would see some of these sequels like in blockbuster
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  or whatever um i'd be like i don't remember this
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  coming out in the cinema i don't remember anything
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  about this yeah this can't be a real film like
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  i thought they were like bootlegs or something
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  so i think that's why i avoided them for so long
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  because i was just like this isn't going to be
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  as good as the original no because i love the
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  original and i'm not going to tarnish that by
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  watching what to me looked like a a bootleg sequel
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  oh yeah um yeah so like i remember like i love
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  one of my favorite disney films is um emperor's
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  new groove yeah i remember seeing cronk's new
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  groove come out right dvd or vhs or whatever
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  it was on and i was just like no no this is not
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  real how is this how is this a thing why would
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  they do this yeah so there's certain ones that
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  i'm excited for i am excited to see kong's new
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  groove but um yeah they did very fast get that
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  reputation though like because so many of them
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  like and we're gonna go through like so like
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  you've mentioned some theatrical ones and everything
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  like they've got they're quite varied but like
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  So many of them were that reputation of, like,
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  this is straight -to -DVD sloth to get in on
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  the name. And some of them are good, but, like,
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  some of them are, like... There's a reputation
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  for a reason, isn't there? Yeah, absolutely.
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  There's even that... I don't know if you've seen
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  it, the Family Guy bit. Jafar... Aladdin 4, Jafar
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  gets his glasses. Jafar gets his glasses, or
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  something like that, yeah. It's so, like... it's
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  got such a reputation that even like that's touching
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  on it so yeah i'm excited to um i'm excited to
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  go on this journey with you to be honest um i
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  wouldn't have any anyone else to go on this journey
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  with no well we um so the way we're going to
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  be doing this is um rather than going through
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  order of sequels we're going to go through the
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  list of disney classics like we mentioned earlier
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  from snow white the very first all the way down
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  which ones got a sequel, and then we talk about
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  it that way. So chronological order of the originals.
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  And as we travel through it, I thought it would
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  be fun to maybe look back on the ones we're passing
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  by. So in this case, the first and second films
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  were Snow White and Pinocchio, and then we're
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  touching on Fantasia, which is the third film
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  that got a sequel. But I thought it could be
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  fun to look back on those other ones and just
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  take a look at how they did continue in this
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  little section, which I've actually created a
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  name for, James, and I haven't told you. I'm
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  doing this on air. Live. I'm so confident in
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  this name that I hit it. This section is going
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  to be called Before Ever Before. It's such a
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  terrible name. No! Before Once Upon a Time. That
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  makes more sense. Well, no. You've said it now.
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  It's in stone. Before Ever Before. Yeah, it's
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  in stone now. That's what it's called. So, would
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  you like to take a look before ever before? I
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  would love to. I would love to do that with you.
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  So, if we before ever... Wait. Before ever before.
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  I don't know. The first one released was Snow
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  White. That's never had a sequel. It's always
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  had a live action film, which didn't do so well.
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  but would you be surprised if i told you there
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  was meant to be a sequel to snow white um what
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  year was it supposed to come out because that
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  you know will determine my level of surprise
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  fairly recent well yeah no not surprised at all
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  right so um this was part of the uh the ones
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  we've mentioned like the director dvd ones these
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  were getting uh so many brought out and they
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  were working on one which was apparently meant
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  to be computer animated and it was called just
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  the seven dwarves um okay so apparently this
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  is going to be about how the dwarves met and
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  how the evil queen killed like snow white's dad
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  and all this stuff um but apparently according
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  to the director who's on board mike deezer he
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  said that apparently the plot was changed to
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  center around how Dopey lost his voice because
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  he witnessed his mother die. What? It's like
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  Bumblebee, but with more trauma and the seven
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  dwarves. Oh my god. So this was one of Dopey
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  with fucking Vietnam flashbacks of his mum dying.
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  And I thought they were brothers. I always thought
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  they were a family, but apparently... Apparently,
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  yeah, he's got a different mother. Oh, wow. Jesus.
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  But this is going to come up quite a few times.
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  What? Mum's dying? Well, it is Disney. Well,
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  yeah, true, actually. But with a lot of these,
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  they get cancelled in 2006 when John Lasseter
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  becomes, like, the... the CCO. He cans all of
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  these things that's in development. He just doesn't
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  think they're worth doing. So a lot of these
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  just met... Oh my god, I was going to say they
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  met a sticky date with John Lasseter, but that's
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  probably not something I should say. They met
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  the guillotine of John Lasseter. They killed
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  them all. Met their end like Dopey's mum. and
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  there's been some other ways that continued it
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  had a video game on the game boy you had a mobile
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  game apparently it had a um a comic book as well
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  yeah comic strip yes that was um that was italian
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  that was like in the in the 30s for some reason
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  they did a sequel wow i have no idea what that's
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  about i couldn't find anything about the story
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  to that oh hang on no there's two There's one
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  for Silly Symphony Sunday. It ran a four month
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  long adaptation of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
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  So I guess that's an adaptation rather than a
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  sequel. But yeah, you're right. There's literally
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  one thing about the Italian version from 1939
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  and that's it. I couldn't find anything on that.
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  And there's another thing as well. This feels
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  very tenuous. But it's something called the 7D,
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  which is the Seven Dwarfs. But it feels very
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  tenuous. I don't think we can count this as a
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  continuation because it's basically a full new
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  interpretation of the Seven Dwarfs in the style
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  of modern animation stuff like Phineas and Ferb
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  and that kind of zany. it it's not it's i wouldn't
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  count it really they've taken the idea of the
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  seven dwarfs but the 7d i've never even heard
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  of that no i think it was super short -lived
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  and it doesn't look very to be honest before
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  i jump on a pinocchio quickly i will just say
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  obviously with these is going to be i think almost
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  every single one we go through will have had
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  an appearance in something like kingdom hearts
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  uh disney magic kingdom uh the dreamlight valley
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  one these video games where it's like a lot the
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  idea is basically like a crossover like disney
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  infinity and yeah i was gonna say disney infinity
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  came to mind but um yeah you're totally right
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  and if anyone doesn't know what kingdom hearts
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  is uh don't worry about it it's final fantasy
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  and disney characters that's all you need to
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  know it's very confusing yeah there's like a
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  million different um games for it um Let us know
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  if you want us to play them. I'm not going to
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  do that. I don't want to do it. So with Pinocchio,
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  that also had an ill -fated sequel cancelled
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  by Lasseter, which was Pinocchio 2. This just
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  sounds a lot... It's not as interesting as Dopey
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  having trauma. It's just Pinocchio goes on a
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  strange journey. Any questions why life's unfair?
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  Sorry, Pinocchio, but it just fucking is sometimes.
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  It just is. As he realized because his sequel
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  got cancelled. Exactly. Life isn't fair. You're
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  not getting Pinocchio 2. John Lasseter's coming
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  with his guillotine again. He's chopping off
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  your strings, sunshine. But one thing that we
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  also found out about while we were looking this
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  up is it got a Is that right? A live -action
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  prequel? It's kind of like Pinocchio again, but
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  from Geppetto's perspective. It's just called
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  Geppetto. It was straight to TV. There's people
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  who say that it was meant to be the reunion of
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  Julie Andrews and Dick Van Dyke from Mary Poppins
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  back. Again, I couldn't find much on that, but
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  it's basically a full musical that was done for
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  TV, telling the story of Pinocchio, but just
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  from Geppetto's perspective. insane it still
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  baffles me we found this out like a month ago
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  something like that and we were talking about
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  it and it just it still just blows my mind also
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  the cast is pretty good drew carey's geppetto
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  that's great yeah anton anton yelchin was in
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  it yeah rest in peace oh bless up big man was
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  it usher in it yes usher is the pleasure island
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  ring leader that's mad What a cast for something
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  that no one knows about. Yeah, wild. Of all the
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  ones we've mentioned so far, this is the one
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  I'd love to circle back one day and have a look
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  at this. 100%. So if you do want us to cover
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  that, let us know because we'd be well up for
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  that. Yeah, it'd be easier to understand in Kingdom
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  Hearts as well by a long shot. 100%. 100%. So
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  obviously this got, as with... Snow White, this
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  got a live -action remake. I hated it. I'm not
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  a fan. I'm looking through. Again, it says...
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  Oh, you know what? I think I watched that live
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  -action remake on the day the Queen died. I'm
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  not saying it had anything to do with it, but
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  what a day. What a day. What a dark day. A heavy
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  toll for all of us. Oh, dear. Other than the
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  cancelled sequel, Geppetto, 2022 remake, it also
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  had an adaptation in Silly Symphony Sunday. Again,
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  Kingdom Hearts, all of that. I think with Pinocchio
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  specifically as well, they took Jiminy Cricket
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  and he kind of became one of Disney's mascots,
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  so he himself is probing so much. It's very true,
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  yeah. And Pinocchio, whether it was the original
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  story, I've got to get this in, also inspired
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  and is the basis of Lies of Pi, which is a Soulsborne
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  game that I've started playing and it's pretty
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  good. So there you go. Just wanted to shove that
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  in there for my endless love of Soulsborne games.
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  How does that, like, is it the same story? Don't
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  ask. It's fine. We'll talk about it after the
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  podcast. No one needs to know this. Fair enough.
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  So, with Snow White and Pinocchio, I guess that
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  takes us up to Fantasia. Just quickly before
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  we dive in, because we would like to discuss
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  the original film quickly, just to give you a
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  baseline of where we both lie with that, so you
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  know our perspectives going into the sequel.
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  Just before I do that, quickly, I will let you
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  know the other ways Fantasia has continued. It's
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  weirdly mostly video games. It had a... So Sorcerer's
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  Apprentice game for the Atari in 83. There was
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  a specific Fantasia game for the Sega in 91,
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  which is just collect musical notes. And then
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  there was a Fantasia music evolved game for the
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  Kinect in 2014. And this was, it was by Harmonix
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  who did like Rock Band and they originally did
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  Guitar Hero. It's just a dancing game. It's got
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  the Fantasia name on for whatever reason. And
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  you're dancing to stuff like Ed Sheeran and Imagine
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  Dragons. It's not like you're dancing to Beethoven.
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  So it's whatever. That seems really pointless.
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  It does, doesn't it? Because I don't know who's...
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  The whole thing about Fantasia is the music and
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  obviously the animation and everything as well.
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  But you would think that you would be dancing
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  to like Night on Bald Mountain or Sorcerer's
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  Apprentice and all of that. why not yeah it's
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  a weird angle to take name recognition but then
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  have nothing that makes people like that but
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  with the original fantasia is that something
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  that you have watched like a lot have you ever
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  seen it or yeah so i've seen it you know i didn't
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  re -watch it for the podcast which is my bad
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  um but i kind of just wanted to go into the sequels
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  a little bit blind yeah there's certain ones
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  that i will be re -watching if i really don't
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  remember them or if i haven't watched them before
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  i remember most of it quite well i was looking
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  through like a plot synopsis and i remembered
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  some of the bigger parts, Sorcerer's Apprentice,
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  and I just mentioned what it was. Night on Bald
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  Mountain, I remember really, really well. And
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  yeah, I think it's a really interesting film.
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  Being so music -centric and pairing that music
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  with the animation, it's weird and it's interesting.
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  And yeah, I like it. It's not my go -to. It's
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  not something that I would watch again and again
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  and again. But it's good to have on in the background,
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  and some of the scenes are great. So, yeah. What
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  about you? What's your history with Fantasia?
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  Well, I thought I'd seen it, and then I did rewatch
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  it for the podcast, and I slowly realised, I
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  don't think I have seen this, because I didn't
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  recognise anything other than sources of pride.
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  No way! If you don't know what Fantasia is, which
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  I imagine you do, but it's basically like a concert
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  film where it's like an orchestra playing classical
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  music, but each piece is accompanied by an animated
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  piece that's like meant to be inspired by the
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  music. And they said there's three different
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  types. It's like just abstract stuff where it's
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  just visuals to go through music or there's like
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  a sense of a story or like an actual full story.
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  And it's just different little shorts. And so
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  you can like what you like. I'd seen The Sorcerer's
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  Apprentice, which I think everyone will know.
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  It's like Mickey and the Icon. Yeah. wizard hat
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  um like isolated it turned out and i assumed
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  i'd seen it all but i hadn't yeah when i was
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  looking into it though um like i have a lot of
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  respect for this film because like we're what
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  three films in a disney's catalog and they're
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  doing like this weird art house kind of movie
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  like experimental and like nothing they've ever
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  done a really weird really weird like left turn
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  for them yeah to do two very story focused fairy
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  tales and then to just be like all right, you're
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  getting a banging orchestra and some really unbelievable
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  animation. Yeah. And so I didn't know this until
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  I was researching it for this. And I don't know
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  how familiar you are, but because of the way
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  that like audio recording was back in the day,
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  like Disney wanted to be like, you are actually
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  in an opera house or a theater or whatever, listening
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  to the orchestra. So they kind of pioneered a
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  new sound system for this. So it was actually
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  recorded with multiple audio channels. So this
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  is actually. A huge step forward for audio and
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  film as well. Yeah. Was it something like Fantasia
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  Vision or something? Or am I thinking of Fantasia
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  2000? No, yeah. They called it Fantasound or
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  something. Fantasound, that's the one. That's
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  kind of mental. Isn't it? They basically premiered
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  Atmos. Yeah. They beat Dolby to the punch. And
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  from what I can tell, like... i think disney
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  really liked this idea and like it didn't do
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  well at the box office but uh i think it's like
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  good to mention now because it does play in a
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  fantasia 2000 but the idea was 100 yeah he really
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  wanted this to be it goes on forever and shorts
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  come out and they get added in and it's like
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  an ongoing thing which is like always like a
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  work in progress like oh let's go check out the
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  fantasia i hear they've got sorcerer's apprentice
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  back on or something like that and you turn up
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  and they've got like some new ones they've got
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  some old ones and It obviously didn't work out
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  because the box office just wasn't there to justify
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  this to be in the cinema forever. Absolutely.
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  It's an interesting idea. It's such an interesting...
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  When they said that at the start of... So, slight
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  spoiler for when we go into Fantasia 2000, but
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  they do mention that. Yeah. And it's so weird.
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  Like, that is such a good... Like, it's such
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  an interesting idea to basically... I mean, he's
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  taken inspiration from theaters and stuff. They
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  go all around the country. Obviously, they don't
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  change what's going to be shown in that specific
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  production, but the people will change. So you
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  might see an actor that you like, and you're
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  like, oh, I like them in that. I'll go to that.
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  So it's weird that Disney was trying to kind
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  of do that, but with a film, question mark? Yeah.
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  Would they have re -edited it? I guess they must
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  have. Yeah, I think the idea was just the individual
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  sections you could slot out, slot back in. I
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  haven't picked up yet on whether or not he planned
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  this to be theatrical or if it was going to be
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  a Disneyland thing. Because I know this did start
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  with... It did actually start with Sorcerer's
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  Apprentice and then they got really excited about
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  that and it built out and out and out. But it's
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  a very ambitious idea and it doesn't surprise
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  me that it never happened. um but it's it's it's
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  fun like it's very fun there's a bit with uh
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  i think it's his granddaughter on on the blu
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  -ray i was watching when she's on about like
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  this huge red book he had called future fantasies
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  and there's all these different ideas like what
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  about this and this and uh he clearly way it
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  seemed like it was probably like a passion project
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  for him wow That's really cool, and it'd be interesting
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  to see if they eventually, I mean, in a thousand
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  years, if they do Fantasia 3000. Who knows? Yeah.
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  We're long gone. Yeah. No, we'll be there. We'll
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  be there. We'll be frozen. I did like it. I think
• 21:58
  it's long. The original one is so long. It's
• 22:01
  over two hours. It's very long. It's the only
• 22:05
  Disney film, apparently, to ever have an intermission.
• 22:08
  that that's that sounds weird because they've
• 22:10
  have had longer films since then but at the time
• 22:13
  that wasn't like super common um i guess and
• 22:16
  i think like some of the pieces are good some
• 22:18
  of it's very hit and miss but like as a whole
• 22:20
  i really enjoy it and it's very um i think i
• 22:23
  respect it more than enjoy it necessarily but
• 22:26
  that's not a dig because i still do enjoy it
• 22:27
  a lot you know but um yeah yeah all right let's
• 22:30
  should we jump into 2000 then i think so so yeah
• 22:34
  as as we've been talking about today's film is
• 22:38
  fantasia 2000 let's let's get into it yeah um
• 22:42
  firstly i didn't really know what to expect with
• 22:45
  this so i was quite pleasantly surprised this
• 22:49
  was this was lovely also an hour and 17 minutes
• 22:52
  so brisk so much brisker than the other one rapid
• 22:56
  from what i remember the last time i watched
• 23:00
  fantasia um the first one um yeah it was a pleasant
• 23:05
  surprise because i thought i was going to be
• 23:07
  sat here for three hours watching this and i'm
• 23:10
  very glad that i wasn't yeah what did you think
• 23:12
  well i i kind of came off this i watched like
• 23:15
  it's tuesday when we're recording this i watched
• 23:18
  fantasia one on sunday two on monday so i kind
• 23:21
  of came in like okay i know what to expect here
• 23:23
  i think overall before that like we'll probably
• 23:26
  do a deep dive on each segment overall I might
• 23:29
  actually like this more than the first one. I
• 23:30
  think the hit rate's better. I think the shorter
• 23:33
  runtime really helps. I think the first one has
• 23:36
  a nicer kind of setup. Like, it feels like you're
• 23:38
  in a theater seat and there's an actual conductor
• 23:40
  in front. And this one kind of felt a little
• 23:43
  bit blue -screeny and it's introduced by celebrities
• 23:47
  and celebrities are fucking great, I guess. But,
• 23:50
  like, I find it more interesting hearing, like,
• 23:52
  a symphony conductor discuss the music than I
• 23:55
  do, like, Stephen Martin doing, like, a little
• 23:56
  bit that wasn't really funny. other than the
• 23:58
  presentation though i didn't really have like
• 24:00
  any complaints again some of them are hit and
• 24:02
  miss but uh i do prefer the presentation of the
• 24:05
  original one but at the same time i know like
• 24:07
  this was made 60 years later and it's nice to
• 24:10
  tell people like we got steve martin and angela
• 24:12
  lansbury on screen you better come see this yeah
• 24:14
  absolutely i think um one of the things that
• 24:19
  i kind of took from this was that they were trying
• 24:21
  some new technology things so when that you know
• 24:29
  when that hall opens up and you see those weird
• 24:32
  looking screens playing Fantasia and stuff on
• 24:34
  I was like oh okay they're trying something interesting
• 24:37
  here and it must have been like they've just
• 24:41
  discovered or they've just kind of perfected
• 24:44
  how to do this and that kind of got amplified
• 24:46
  in the second one when they started we'll go
• 24:50
  into the second one properly like in a bit but
• 24:54
  yeah i was like oh this is interesting that they've
• 24:58
  done this certain thing but yeah um presentation
• 25:01
  wise i i agree i think that it did seem very
• 25:04
  blue screeny i really liked when it was the composers
• 25:10
  and the musicians talking about it and talking
• 25:13
  about how the music kind of made the director
• 25:17
  feel and that's why it it plays out on screen
• 25:21
  like that and why they you know decided to use
• 25:24
  this and this and this yeah i thought it was
• 25:27
  really interesting and i totally agree what a
• 25:31
  what a great runtime and yeah uh the the uh one
• 25:36
  thing that i've noted down was that the disney
• 25:40
  intro for this that uh snaps into like a space
• 25:45
  nebula or something like that in the background
• 25:47
  was cool as hell yeah that was sick that was
• 25:51
  i really set you up for like yeah it was so quick
• 25:55
  as well because it was just like the start of
• 25:57
  the disney thing and then it snaps and then it's
• 26:00
  in space and it's like what is going on and then
• 26:03
  you get that lovely little recap of the first
• 26:06
  one as well like some of those scenes fly past
• 26:09
  and it's like okay this is this is pretty cool
• 26:12
  this is gonna be this is gonna be a fun time
• 26:15
  i think yeah even the name sounds i know it's
• 26:18
  just the year it came out but the name sounds
• 26:20
  like fantasia 2000 it sounds like very punchy
• 26:23
  yeah absolutely if i'd seen this like when i
• 26:28
  was younger because i i mean this is the man
• 26:30
  that a child when i was a child um that bought
• 26:35
  the millennium slicer which was the old bionicle
• 26:39
  thing because it sounded cool you know what i
• 26:42
  mean yeah like it's what is that it's basically
• 26:46
  slicer that came out on the millennium cool that
• 26:51
  is pretty sick it is pretty cool Should we get
• 26:56
  into the first one? Or have you got more to say?
• 26:59
  No, I was going to say, this one, like the original
• 27:02
  one, they both have, and I kind of respect them
• 27:05
  for doing this, they both start with the abstract.
• 27:07
  I kind of respect them. I have that kind of trust
• 27:10
  in the audience to be patient for little kids
• 27:12
  who might not care for that. But they both start
• 27:15
  with, this is just some music, and here's some
• 27:18
  images that's very abstract that the animators
• 27:21
  felt when they listened to it. Yeah. It's really
• 27:25
  nice to see. I can't really describe it. It's
• 27:28
  very visual rather than... I can't really describe
• 27:30
  it at all. I don't know if you could do a better
• 27:32
  job. I mean, it just... It's so weird. I wrote
• 27:38
  the best music video ever, question mark. And
• 27:41
  then animation is fucking gorgeous. Because it
• 27:45
  is. It's absolutely stunning. And combining...
• 27:50
  Cannot remember what the song is. I didn't write
• 27:52
  it down. Symphony number five, is it? Beethoven.
• 27:55
  Yeah. Combining such a... You know, the start
• 28:00
  of that is... And it's so big and bombastic and
• 28:06
  huge. Remind me, the start doesn't have the butterflies.
• 28:11
  It's the... like flashes of light from the clouds
• 28:15
  isn't it yeah like literal flashes of color and
• 28:18
  light and just yeah it's so interesting and it's
• 28:22
  so bombastic and cool and it's like ah i guess
• 28:27
  god from above is is like ah here we go we're
• 28:32
  starting and it's kind of like a creation story
• 28:34
  i guess Yeah, the animation on those butterflies
• 28:45
  is just absolutely stunning. It's so smooth,
• 28:49
  it's so fluid. There's some lovely little parts,
• 28:52
  and this is throughout the whole thing, apart
• 28:56
  from one where the music is just so perfectly
• 29:00
  tuned to the animation. And there's certain little
• 29:04
  flourishes that they do where it's like the little
• 29:07
  butterfly nudges the mum butterfly and it's like...
• 29:10
  and it kind of does it at the same time as the
• 29:14
  music it's just so well edited and so well animated
• 29:17
  like you say it's just so experimental this one
• 29:20
  very abstract very weird uh god comes and saves
• 29:25
  the day no it was steve martin because he walks
• 29:29
  out right after that yeah it was a good one it
• 29:33
  wasn't my favorite by any means but it was very
• 29:36
  very beautiful it was fun it was fun yeah that's
• 29:39
  it It was fun. Steve Martin came out and did
• 29:42
  a couple of little jokes and they didn't necessarily
• 29:45
  land. No, I usually like him, but I didn't think
• 29:48
  he landed here at all. Yeah. For some reason,
• 29:51
  I've just written with no context. Oh, that's
• 29:54
  a cool idea. I don't know. I have no idea. The
• 30:00
  concept of Fantasia. Yeah. Oh, God. So the next
• 30:05
  one is Pines of Rome. which is a beautiful song.
• 30:12
  And this is the whales, right? This is the whales.
• 30:15
  Yeah. Tell me, what did you think? Man, don't
• 30:18
  come to me with this one. I don't know what it
• 30:20
  is about me. Like when I saw Avatar 2, it didn't
• 30:24
  hit for me at all. And a lot of it's just like,
• 30:26
  I don't give a shit about these fucking whales.
• 30:28
  And I had to say, I don't know what it is about
• 30:31
  me. I swear I don't hate whales. I don't want
• 30:33
  them to be hurt or anything, but like, ah, okay.
• 30:37
  Whales. And it is really nicely animated and
• 30:41
  it's kind of cute. What's the story really again?
• 30:44
  It's like a baby whale gets trapped and then
• 30:46
  he gets to fly with other whales in the sky or
• 30:48
  whatever. Cool. Good song, good animation. I
• 30:53
  don't really care about whales. I don't know
• 30:55
  why I feel broken. Andy Oates hates whales. Yeah.
• 31:02
  Do you know what? I think I agree. It was nice.
• 31:07
  I think it was really interesting and really
• 31:09
  not what I was expecting with the music again.
• 31:14
  And they kind of say that at the start. They
• 31:16
  say like, oh, you imagine like Romans and all
• 31:19
  of this, but there are animators took it a different
• 31:22
  way. And I was like, yeah, sure, whatever. What
• 31:24
  did they do? And yeah, they really did. That
• 31:27
  is a good point. They do that a bit, which keeps
• 31:30
  it interesting. It's never like the... are very
• 31:32
  rarely is it like the the quickest jump to like
• 31:35
  what would be animated for this so i do appreciate
• 31:37
  that like they they really go out and i would
• 31:41
  never thought of flying whales to go kinds of
• 31:44
  room i think it's just because it's a bit weird
• 31:46
  isn't it yeah and it is beautiful i guess like
• 31:49
  the little baby whale gets stuck and he wants
• 31:51
  his mommy and then he gets to fly yeah um you
• 31:54
  know what it is as well like speaking like taking
• 31:57
  away like my hatred of whatever hatred of underwater
• 32:01
  mammals it does a little bit in the middle i
• 32:05
  think it starts really beautiful and it ends
• 32:06
  beautiful but i think it goes a little bit long
• 32:09
  in the middle Agreed. And I think that's the
• 32:11
  thing when you're, you know, animating to classical
• 32:15
  music. Classical music is long. There's no question
• 32:19
  about it. There's a lot of downplay and upplay
• 32:22
  and all of this. Classical music ends up being
• 32:24
  long pieces. So there is going to be a lull when
• 32:27
  it comes to animation and stuff like that. But
• 32:29
  yeah, there were some things that I really liked.
• 32:31
  I'm just going to read those out. It continues
• 32:34
  Fantasia's absolutely sublime music into visual
• 32:37
  motif. I don't know if I'm using the word motif
• 32:40
  there correctly. Sounds good to me. The whale
• 32:45
  flapping to the beat is lovely. The horn, when
• 32:49
  that hits in the music, is the blowhole. Love
• 32:53
  it. It's so nice. And the cymbals, one thing
• 32:57
  that I've noticed quite a lot was when they splash,
• 32:59
  it's cymbals. And I think that's perfect. It
• 33:02
  gives that perfect... representation of a crashing
• 33:05
  wave i did forget about that to be fair that
• 33:08
  was there was some clever uses of the instruments
• 33:10
  and stuff to be fair i couldn't tell but if they
• 33:13
  did do this it was lovely the water drops in
• 33:16
  the cave as tiny piano notes i had a look the
• 33:21
  first ones did it and it was gorgeous and the
• 33:24
  second ones i don't think they did but when they
• 33:27
  did the teeny weeny little piano notes as the
• 33:30
  as the drops dropped gorgeous a question that
• 33:34
  i had for you and i don't think this is necessarily
• 33:37
  true was this one of their first 2d and 3d animation
• 33:41
  blends um i was gonna bring that up actually
• 33:44
  yeah because this is uh if i remember rightly
• 33:47
  it's tarzan tarzan where he's going through the
• 33:50
  vines and he's like kind of like grinding on
• 33:52
  them like a skater oh yeah i i think that's the
• 33:56
  first time they used that right but that was
• 33:58
  99 That was literally just last year. So they
• 34:01
  must have been developing the same tech and used
• 34:07
  it on both Tarzan and Fantasia because... From
• 34:12
  what I remember, it hadn't been done before,
• 34:16
  so that's why I wrote it down. But yeah, I mean,
• 34:18
  it was so nice, so cool to see. Actually, speaking
• 34:23
  of which, this could be a good point to bring
• 34:25
  out. I don't think we mentioned it before. When
• 34:26
  this first came out, this was straight into IMAX.
• 34:30
  It was the first animated film on IMAX. Yes,
• 34:33
  I was going to mention that, yeah. IMAX was nowhere
• 34:36
  near as popular back then as it was now, so it
• 34:38
  was even more insane. It must have been a real
• 34:42
  treat to see stuff like this in that format.
• 34:45
  I imagine that wide room in IMAX would have looked
• 34:49
  unbelievable. Like, the room where the orchestra
• 34:53
  is and everything, I think that would have looked
• 34:55
  unreal in IMAX. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's so cool.
• 35:00
  And I think seeing some of these animations in
• 35:02
  IMAX would be amazing. If they ever did some
• 35:06
  kind of IMAX re -release, I'd definitely go and
• 35:08
  see this. It's really worth it, I think. I would
• 35:13
  too. I would take a piss when the whales came
• 35:15
  on. Andy Oates hates whales. No, it's fine. It's
• 35:20
  fine. There's definitely one I didn't like more
• 35:25
  than this. Agreed. And I think we are going to
• 35:28
  be on the same page when all the whales start
• 35:32
  flying i thought they were just gonna i genuinely
• 35:35
  wrote down oh no the heat death of the universe
• 35:39
  because i thought the sun was exploding like
• 35:42
  when the sun started pulsing i was like what
• 35:45
  are they literally gonna have like an exploding
• 35:48
  star or something and all the whales are just
• 35:50
  gonna fly away in space which did they get the
• 35:54
  idea for the space whales in star wars from this
• 35:57
  They could have, man. Because there is a very
• 36:00
  similar shot when it's, like, going on the side
• 36:03
  and they're all going through, like, the clouds
• 36:05
  and then the upper cloud area. It looks pretty
• 36:09
  similar to the hyperspace whales. I wouldn't
• 36:12
  be surprised, to be fair. Like, you've seen Dave
• 36:14
  Filoni who runs the Star Wars stuff now. He seems
• 36:17
  like an animation nerd, so I wouldn't be shocked.
• 36:20
  And yeah, the last thing that I said was it was
• 36:23
  a visual treat, but splashing through clouds
• 36:26
  cannot be as fun as water. No, I can't imagine
• 36:29
  it would be, especially if you're a big, fat,
• 36:31
  stupid whale. Anyway, let's move on from whales,
• 36:36
  because obviously you hate them so much, and
• 36:38
  this was your worst thing that you've ever watched
• 36:40
  in your life. I thought it was all right. It's
• 36:44
  fine. It's fine. Yeah, I think it had some really
• 36:46
  nice, like... Some really nice musical motifs,
• 36:51
  as I said, and some great animation combined
• 36:57
  with that. 3D and 2D was great. Yeah, it was
• 37:00
  pretty good. It was nice. It wasn't my favorite,
• 37:03
  but yeah. Okay. I think this next one has a very,
• 37:08
  very real chance of being my favorite, to be
• 37:11
  honest. There's one that potentially beats it,
• 37:14
  but this one was Rhapsody in Blue. uh which was
• 37:18
  done by george gershwin so i've jotted this down
• 37:21
  because i knew i wouldn't remember his name but
• 37:23
  apparently there's a character artist back in
• 37:24
  the 30s or whatever called al hirschfield and
• 37:27
  this is like new york city animated with like
• 37:30
  the vibe of his art style yeah to this jazzy
• 37:33
  kind of music um and like i how would you describe
• 37:37
  the story it's like it's for individual people
• 37:39
  who have like this wish a guy who wants a job
• 37:42
  he's unemployed there's a construction worker
• 37:44
  who really wants to get into drumming yeah There's
• 37:47
  a guy and his bitch wife. Yeah, we both wrote
• 37:51
  that down. One of the guys is just like, God,
• 37:53
  I wish I could get away from my bitch wife. It's
• 37:55
  so weird, though. She's just spending all of
• 37:59
  his money, and he's just like, along for the
• 38:02
  ride. He just wants to dance with monkeys. Yeah,
• 38:04
  I've written that down as well. And the last
• 38:08
  one's just, which is probably the saddest one,
• 38:10
  just a little girl who wants her parents to pay.
• 38:13
  yeah which is like oh man that was sad and that
• 38:18
  the nanny was horrible this this was beautiful
• 38:22
  i adored this this was yeah and this was sublime
• 38:30
  and like genuinely i thought you know the animation
• 38:34
  as it's uh the music comes in um and it's drawing
• 38:37
  yes the city I thought that's all it was going
• 38:40
  to be. I thought it was going to be like different
• 38:43
  things, like keep getting drawn. So it would
• 38:45
  be like the guy and then it would, the line would
• 38:48
  carry on and everything. And I'm so glad, like
• 38:51
  as cool as that would be. Yeah. I'm really glad
• 38:55
  that it didn't. And I'm glad that it kind of
• 38:56
  did that start part set New York as the, as the
• 39:01
  background. And then we got to actually spend
• 39:04
  some time with these characters. The. art style
• 39:07
  is phenomenal it's beautiful um yeah uh because
• 39:15
  they they do intro if i remember rightly they
• 39:17
  do introduce it as like it's going to start with
• 39:20
  one line on the screen so i did i was the same
• 39:22
  as you i was like oh it's going to just be like
• 39:23
  a line going through drawing these cityscapes
• 39:25
  that's exactly what i thought but even that was
• 39:28
  so fascinating and interesting um yeah i was
• 39:31
  like yeah this is fine if it's going to be that
• 39:33
  it'll be pretty good and then When the animation
• 39:37
  kicked in, I was like, God, this is great. It
• 39:41
  kind of calls back to some of the other ones.
• 39:43
  You know, parts of it kind of give me Sorcerer's
• 39:49
  Apprentice vibes. Not necessarily the content,
• 39:53
  but like the way that it's animated and the things
• 39:55
  that they're doing. And maybe it's just like
• 39:59
  a Disney vibe kind of thing. But it was wicked.
• 40:04
  I loved it. You know what it reminds me of a
• 40:06
  little bit? Like the animation style that was
• 40:08
  around... I don't know what other films used
• 40:10
  it, but 101 Dalmatians used it. Oh, the kind
• 40:13
  of... It looks a bit like that. The kind of...
• 40:15
  No, they weren't rotoscoped, were they? But yeah,
• 40:18
  I know... I don't think so. I know what you mean.
• 40:22
  It's very like... handmade feeling to it yeah
• 40:25
  but it feels very stylized as well 100 i uh i
• 40:30
  the first thing that i wrote down when this came
• 40:32
  on was it really feels like disney just wanted
• 40:35
  to do pixar shorts yeah yeah because this this
• 40:38
  just feels like something that would play before
• 40:40
  a film and i love that i think it's great yeah
• 40:43
  it actually speaking of pixar it gave me some
• 40:46
  vibes of soul yes i think When he goes in the
• 40:51
  afterlife, is that like 2D lines and stuff as
• 40:53
  well? Yeah, the New Zealand lady that's in all
• 40:58
  of Taika Waititi's films. Yeah, she's like the
• 41:02
  villain, isn't she? Her character is the little
• 41:03
  2D animation that's a line. So maybe that...
• 41:07
  And ah, actually, do you know what? That must
• 41:10
  be inspired by... Yeah, I think you're so right
• 41:14
  with that. Like, there's a similar vibe to the
• 41:17
  music and the art style. Exactly. I think you're
• 41:20
  spot on with that. I could be wrong, but... I
• 41:24
  think you're right. Take it as gospel from us.
• 41:26
  We know what we're talking about. I thought this
• 41:30
  was just so energetic and beautiful. The music
• 41:35
  was spot on. I absolutely adored this one. Yeah,
• 41:38
  I love this. At one point, I did write the message
• 41:44
  to reject the world and go ice skating, because
• 41:47
  that's what everyone does. But obviously they
• 41:51
  were just interpreting their actual desires of
• 41:55
  what they wanted to do. The kid go... In the
• 41:59
  runway, yeah. She wants to be with her parents.
• 42:02
  Yeah. The guy gets rid of his bitch wife. He
• 42:08
  just wants to be a silly little guy. He doesn't
• 42:10
  want to spend his money. He just wants to go
• 42:13
  and hang out with a monkey. Yeah. Oh, you know
• 42:15
  what it reminded me of as well? I don't think
• 42:17
  you've seen this. It's just out. this yeah but
• 42:20
  life of chuck there's a bit where he stops in
• 42:22
  the middle of it and like does a dance to like
• 42:24
  a street artist basically and it reminded me
• 42:27
  of that but like with a monkey i just really
• 42:31
  enjoyed that but this was yeah i adore this yeah
• 42:34
  i loved it there was one thing that i also wrote
• 42:37
  uh which is uh a c a b because that police officer
• 42:41
  came up to that guy who had just picked up an
• 42:44
  apple and was going to put it back and he tells
• 42:47
  him off and then he eats the apple yeah Bastard!
• 42:50
  What a piece of work! All cops are bastards,
• 42:53
  I'm telling you. Especially this guy. Especially
• 42:57
  that guy. The worst of them. Yeah, 100%. In the
• 43:02
  short. In the short, yeah. Oh no. Yeah, this
• 43:11
  was... I don't really have much more to say about
• 43:14
  this. I could wax lyrical about it all day, but
• 43:16
  I loved it. I totally agree. And I would say
• 43:19
  if anyone's wanting to watch and get a feel for
• 43:23
  what Fantasia 2000 is all about, watch this scene.
• 43:31
  If you don't have the time to watch the whole
• 43:34
  thing, I would highly recommend watching the
• 43:36
  whole thing because it really is a ride. But
• 43:39
  put this one on. It is... unbelievable it's gorgeous
• 43:43
  and yeah i i totally agree i don't really have
• 43:47
  much more to say about it other than i think
• 43:50
  it's my favorite one uh just quickly before we
• 43:52
  do the next show i did make a note here i can't
• 43:55
  remember who says it but we cut away to someone
• 43:57
  i think it was betty midler or something yeah
• 44:00
  it was yeah and We do get told very quickly,
• 44:03
  like, by the way, we were going to do one with
• 44:05
  Salvatore Dali and one based on War of the Valkyries,
• 44:07
  but we didn't do it. Anyway, he's the next one.
• 44:09
  I was like, why would you tell us that? Yeah.
• 44:12
  I want to see that. The Salvatore Dali one sounded
• 44:15
  awesome. Well, we can circle back to that, because
• 44:19
  that is actually something we'll talk about later,
• 44:21
  because it's actually out there. Interesting.
• 44:25
  Okay, cool. The other one that they mentioned
• 44:28
  that I... I wrote down was baby ballet. Um, and
• 44:34
  I saw that picture and I just wrote down baby
• 44:38
  ballet. Sounds like a fucking nightmare. Yeah.
• 44:40
  I was so glad that one was gone. That can stay
• 44:44
  gone. That can stay dead after they teased Salvador
• 44:48
  Dali. And after Andy has teased Salvador Dali
• 44:51
  to me, um, we go on to the next one, uh, which
• 44:55
  is the steadfast tin soldier. Am I right? Yeah,
• 45:00
  that's right. Yeah, this one's set to... I've
• 45:02
  written it down. I'm not very good at classical
• 45:04
  music, but I've written it down. It's a piano
• 45:05
  concerto, number two, Allegro Opus 102 by Dmitri
• 45:09
  Shostakovich. I would never remember that. Yeah.
• 45:16
  Yeah, basically it's a retelling of the Steadfast
• 45:19
  Tin Soldier. Yeah, by Hans Christian Andersen.
• 45:25
  Yeah, I didn't like this one at all. Yeah? No?
• 45:29
  You know what? Great animation. I'll say it like
• 45:34
  that. The Jack in Box was super scary and freaky.
• 45:38
  I didn't like it. He was a pervert in a box.
• 45:41
  I like this weird CG face and stuff. Do you know
• 45:47
  the original story? Because I didn't. What? The
• 45:50
  actual... The Steadfast Ten Soldier. No, I didn't.
• 45:54
  So this version is basically just like, there's
• 45:57
  a tin soldier, falls on over for a ballet dancing
• 45:59
  toy thing, but the Jack in the Box wants to get
• 46:02
  with her. So the Jack in the Box is mean and
• 46:04
  pervert. He knows he's a creep as well, because
• 46:08
  as soon as the cops turn up, the soldier turns
• 46:10
  up, he starts hiding away. He knows he's a pervert.
• 46:15
  He bends off. In this version, the soldier gets
• 46:20
  lost, and I think gets eaten by a fish, and then...
• 46:23
  Whoever owns the house buys the fish and the
• 46:25
  tin soldier hands it back home. And he defeats
• 46:28
  the evil Jack in the Box. But in the original
• 46:30
  version, apparently, it's like the same kind
• 46:32
  of story, but then at the end, there's a little
• 46:36
  boy who's just like, I'm just going to put this
• 46:37
  tin soldier in the fire, actually. And then,
• 46:39
  apparently, Wynn just blows the ballet dancer
• 46:43
  in the fire as well, and then they both just
• 46:45
  burn to death. And it's like, oh, what's the
• 46:47
  moral of this story? Apparently... I looked it
• 46:52
  up and it's like the moral of the story is to
• 46:53
  be brave and follow love. It's like, I don't
• 46:56
  want to follow love if I'm going to end up in
• 46:57
  the fire. Are you sure? Jesus, that's wild. Yeah,
• 47:02
  she stands alongside the tin soldier and both
• 47:05
  are shot into the burning fireplace where he
• 47:07
  melts into the shape of a heart with her and
• 47:10
  they go to toy heaven and he has both legs. Great.
• 47:15
  I hate this. I hated it. I thought it was poo
• 47:18
  -poo. It wasn't poo -poo. I think it's really
• 47:21
  well done animated -wise. I think they apparently
• 47:27
  used a real actress to do the dancing for the
• 47:30
  ballet dancer and then animated based on that.
• 47:33
  You can kind of tell she's got some really natural
• 47:36
  movements. People must have passion for this
• 47:39
  story who heard it as a kid. I hate it. It's
• 47:41
  creepy and I don't... I don't like thinking about
• 47:44
  it. Agreed. Yeah, I don't like it. If the thing
• 47:48
  about recording the real dancers' moves and then
• 47:51
  animating them, that's another callback to Star
• 47:55
  Wars, as that's what they did in Clone Wars with
• 47:59
  Ray Park and his mole fighting. Oh, yeah. It
• 48:03
  always circles back, baby. I'm tired of something
• 48:11
  even... niche to me oh my they did it for transformers
• 48:14
  one um for the fight at the end but then they
• 48:17
  scrapped that because they're like this looks
• 48:19
  like two dudes fighting instead of two transforming
• 48:22
  robots so they scrapped that and worked in a
• 48:24
  lot more of like oh he's going to turn into a
• 48:25
  car and then that comes into the fight scene
• 48:27
  and stuff like that why this is nothing to do
• 48:29
  no but that would be like Megatron and Optimus
• 48:35
  just fighting like naked snake and like solid
• 48:39
  snake and liquid on the top just like slugging
• 48:45
  it out you know what something I'll give this
• 48:50
  and it sounds like a backhanded compliment but
• 48:52
  that kind of era of early CGI mixed with 2D animation
• 48:57
  yeah and be creepy and it does work in the favor
• 48:59
  for that jack -in -the -box he did he unsettled
• 49:02
  me yeah i'll just say that quickly but he was
• 49:04
  a little he was a little freak and i didn't like
• 49:06
  him but yeah uh i thought it was a really good
• 49:09
  use of 2d and 3d again because there was some
• 49:11
  beautiful water scenes that were hand -drawn
• 49:13
  like when he goes down the drain stunning the
• 49:17
  water uh the rain animation's been scanned from
• 49:20
  bambi i read that just before that's crazy that's
• 49:24
  genuinely mad um but yeah i mean 60 years old
• 49:29
  at this point i'm still like i just use that
• 49:31
  that's the best we can do we've got it just put
• 49:34
  it in yeah that's that's wild i had no idea that
• 49:39
  they could even do that kind of thing but that's
• 49:41
  that's cool as hell what the hell was that It
• 49:45
  was the jack -in -the -box. Oh no, he's here!
• 49:49
  He's come for your pussy. No! We might have to
• 49:53
  cut that out. So yeah, anyway, that was... I
• 49:59
  don't want to talk about it anymore because I
• 50:01
  hated it. No, yeah. The next thing I wrote was
• 50:06
  Vader. Yeah, this was... James O'Donoghue introduced
• 50:09
  this. I thought he was delightful as always.
• 50:11
  I liked his little joke about... what is it when
• 50:14
  he says something like they finally asked the
• 50:16
  question what if flamingos had a yo -yo what
• 50:20
  he's great i wrote after this one i wrote flamingos
• 50:27
  and i put best one so far yeah i loved this as
• 50:32
  well i think it's absolutely phenomenal so this
• 50:36
  one it's by it's the piece called the carnival
• 50:40
  of the animals finale by camille saint sands
• 50:43
  yeah and it's basically you've got again one
• 50:47
  silly little guy he's just a flamingo with a
• 50:49
  yo -yo and the other flamingos are like no get
• 50:51
  on get on program why can't you be normal yeah
• 50:55
  yeah he has to do the little thing and he hates
• 50:57
  it he just wants to be a goofy little guy yeah
• 50:59
  it's just so cute uh it was uh again it's one
• 51:03
  that we can't really talk like loads them out
• 51:05
  about because it's so short as well but it's
• 51:09
  yeah the animation is stunning when he's when
• 51:12
  they're like doing the synchronized thing and
• 51:15
  he's shooting the yo -yo forward he's shooting
• 51:16
  the yo -yo behind the yo -yo tricks the way that
• 51:20
  they're animated are unbelievable they look so
• 51:23
  good and i i imagine that the um the animators
• 51:30
  must have like taken some yo -yo tricks um and
• 51:34
  and just like done the same thing as the dancer
• 51:38
  and animated around them yeah the guy who directed
• 51:41
  this uh worked with someone on pocahontas who
• 51:44
  used to do like loads of yo -yo tricks and it's
• 51:46
  inspired by him no way that's cool yeah i really
• 51:50
  like the guy in the office wow uh this is so
• 51:53
  of its time as well like yo -yos you know have
• 51:57
  you ever how long has it been since you have
• 51:59
  seen a yo -yo it'll be at least Two decades.
• 52:03
  I was going to say about, like, 15 years. I haven't
• 52:06
  seen one for so long, and that goes right towards
• 52:10
  the time of that being released. Yeah, it's because
• 52:14
  all the other flamingos, like, they keep us down
• 52:16
  and don't let us play with our yo -yos, man.
• 52:18
  I know. I know. The colours on this were so poppin'
• 52:22
  as well. You know what? It reminded me a bit
• 52:24
  of... I just can't wait to be king in Lion King.
• 52:26
  It has that kind of, like, beautiful poppin'
• 52:28
  colour. 100%. I totally agree. and yeah it was
• 52:33
  it was gorgeous it was stunning very pink i loved
• 52:36
  it yeah um and the the movement in the animation
• 52:39
  when he's having to do like the normal flamingo
• 52:45
  things and he's like got that really irritated
• 52:46
  face it's so funny it's so great and then he
• 52:49
  starts getting happier and happier because he
• 52:51
  notices the yo -yo like doing certain things
• 52:54
  as he's moving and he's like oh and his neck
• 52:57
  picks up and his gestures change I yeah this
• 53:00
  was fantastic yeah it's just full of expression
• 53:04
  it's full of charm and I yeah I can't fault it
• 53:08
  I think I wish it was longer I wish it was a
• 53:11
  tiny bit longer but yeah this is the First, I
• 53:14
  actually noted down, this is the first time I've
• 53:16
  wanted one of these to be longer. Yeah, it's
• 53:19
  great. I really, really, really liked it. I liked
• 53:22
  the little in -between parts where he got, like,
• 53:25
  scalded and told off and then there's that one
• 53:28
  where he gets beaten down into the water and
• 53:30
  it's like, oh my god, they're drowning him! And
• 53:33
  then he comes out with all the yo -yos and is
• 53:35
  like, nah. He almost went out like Bruce Willis
• 53:39
  in Glass. LAUGHTER Oh no, not the puddle! Yeah,
• 53:49
  amazing. Really liked it. I don't think I can
• 53:52
  say much more. It's great. Me neither. so this
• 53:56
  next one is uh it plays on what we were talking
• 54:00
  about earlier which is like oh you go like it's
• 54:02
  meant to be there forever and you go and sometimes
• 54:04
  it's showing and sometimes it's not it's it's
• 54:06
  just social apprentice again it's just mickey
• 54:08
  mouse with his little wizard hat on making booms
• 54:10
  carrying buckets we know the deal uh firstly
• 54:13
  pen and teller introduced this uh weird that
• 54:16
  was cute yeah i like that I like when he chops
• 54:19
  his ponytail off. That was very funny. And then
• 54:23
  I just put, oh, it's keynote time. Holds up so
• 54:27
  fucking well and underlined it. And then I said,
• 54:32
  this is actually about the dangers of automation
• 54:34
  and AI. Yeah, that's a good point. They were
• 54:38
  so ahead of the curve, man. you know um what
• 54:43
  you were saying before with uh the the new york
• 54:46
  city one where it's like this could play before
• 54:48
  film this feels like such a it could be like
• 54:51
  just an isolated like you know how looney tunes
• 54:53
  used to release their things as shorts mickey
• 54:55
  did as well but they were never as good um this
• 54:58
  is just a perfect isolated short the music's
• 55:01
  amazing the the animation's amazing It's a very
• 55:05
  simple story, but a very effective story. I totally
• 55:07
  agree. I love it so much. I got a bit confused
• 55:12
  because, you know, when he goes on to the top
• 55:14
  of the mountain, I was like, oh, this is where
• 55:17
  the devil's going to come. And then I totally
• 55:21
  forgot that that's in Bald Mountain instead of
• 55:23
  this one. So I was like, Mickey, no! Not in the
• 55:26
  dreamland! Don't make a deal with the devil,
• 55:30
  Mickey. and yet when um when uh what is the sorcerer
• 55:35
  called he's called something like yin bad or
• 55:38
  something like that it's yen yen sid that's it
• 55:42
  yen and i'll tell you how you remember that because
• 55:45
  if you spell it backwards it's disney i've just
• 55:47
  realized before you even said it yeah i only
• 55:52
  found that out yesterday um i read it and i was
• 55:56
  like that's That seems like a maybe, like, stereotypical
• 56:00
  name. Oh, it's Disney. Never mind. That's okay.
• 56:05
  Yeah, when he was doing the magic with the skull
• 56:10
  and, like, stuff was coming up, it looked like
• 56:14
  the devil from Bald Mountain. It did, yeah. Yeah.
• 56:18
  Yeah, that's a good point. And then it turned
• 56:20
  into a nice butterfly. So I was like, oh, maybe
• 56:23
  that's going to play into it. And that's why
• 56:25
  I thought it was... gonna have the devil in it
• 56:28
  but yeah this is great i think it's yeah everyone
• 56:32
  knows this um yeah if you don't it's literally
• 56:35
  just mickey mouse as an apprentice he steals
• 56:38
  his wizard sorcerer master's hat yeah he wants
• 56:41
  to make the broomsticks carry water instead of
• 56:42
  doing it himself but oh no he can't control them
• 56:45
  and there's too much water and he learns not
• 56:46
  to mess with things he doesn't understand i'm
• 56:48
  telling you man it's the dangers of automation
• 56:50
  and ai I don't think anyone describing it could
• 56:53
  do it justice. I think it's like a five -star
• 56:55
  little short. Yeah, 100%. It's worth a watch.
• 56:59
  Again, if you're going to watch any of them,
• 57:01
  and I, again, cannot stress this enough, watch
• 57:04
  this whole thing. It flies by. But yeah, Sorcerer's
• 57:08
  Apprentice is fabulous. I think this is, and
• 57:12
  it feels, if we count this as part of it, this
• 57:15
  is my favorite one. But I wouldn't want to, because
• 57:19
  it's from the original one, I'd probably give
• 57:21
  it to Rhapsody in Blue because it's new. But
• 57:23
  overall, this is my favourite. See, I think that
• 57:27
  Rhapsody in Blue kind of takes it a little bit
• 57:31
  for me, even if we include Sorcerer's Apprentice.
• 57:33
  I love Sorcerer's Apprentice, but I just thought
• 57:35
  Rhapsody in Blue was so unique and really interesting.
• 57:39
  I loved it. And is that taking into account Mickey's
• 57:43
  drip? Oh, yeah. Well, hmm. No, because this drip
• 57:48
  is fire. Immaculate. And lit. I get you, though.
• 57:55
  I totally get you. I don't really want to say
• 57:59
  it, but this feels like something you'd see traditional
• 58:03
  and the other ones a bit more out there. I've
• 58:06
  never seen this before. 100%. But I still love
• 58:10
  it so much. that music is great unreal um oh
• 58:17
  um just before we move on as well because we
• 58:20
  did you did mention pen and teller this is unrelated
• 58:23
  but it's kind of related did you know pen is
• 58:26
  in toy story who is he in toy story so buzz lightyear
• 58:32
  goes into a room he hears the voice of the tv
• 58:35
  come in buzz lightyear this is star command the
• 58:38
  advert no way Yeah. Really? The world's greatest
• 58:42
  action figure is now the world's greatest toy.
• 58:44
  That thing. He does that voice for some reason.
• 58:47
  No way, that's so cool. What a weird little,
• 58:51
  like, that's great. Is that in the first one
• 58:54
  or the second one? That's in the second, is it?
• 58:57
  This is the first one. This is literally the
• 58:59
  advert that convinces, or makes Buzz realise
• 59:02
  he's not a space ranger. So that's just a random
• 59:07
  little fact I've been holding in because I don't
• 59:09
  understand why he's in it, but it's fun. I love
• 59:11
  that. That's great. So directly from this, we
• 59:15
  get Mickey doing a... is it a reanimation a reacting
• 59:20
  part where he goes up and shakes the is it the
• 59:24
  director or the composer's hand uh yeah the first
• 59:27
  bit's like he shakes the composer's hand and
• 59:29
  that's directly from fantasia one i don't know
• 59:31
  if they've revoiced it so it mixes in well but
• 59:34
  yeah who who was it that he was shaking hands
• 59:36
  with in the original was it disney uh no it was
• 59:41
  the composer of the orchestra right i can't remember
• 59:43
  his name but disney voiced him in the original
• 59:45
  one i think that was that's what i Yeah, okay.
• 59:49
  But they might have revoiced him here just so
• 59:52
  when he comes into the next scene it kind of
• 59:55
  blends better. Yeah, I read that somewhere and
• 59:59
  I can't find it now but yeah, they did recast
• 1:00:04
  Mickey so it was the same voice for afterwards.
• 1:00:09
  But yeah, really cute little section and then
• 1:00:13
  another Lovely Disney character, comes along,
• 1:00:19
  but he's late. Big D. He's running late. Donald
• 1:00:22
  is the star of the next one, which is Pomp and
• 1:00:26
  Circumstance, am I right? Yes. Pomp and Circumstance
• 1:00:32
  marches 1, 2, 3, and 4 by Sir Edward Elder. Also
• 1:00:36
  known as Land of Hope and Glory in... england
• 1:00:39
  because that's what all we remember this one's
• 1:00:42
  super easy to describe it's noah zark yep um
• 1:00:45
  i was gonna say david duck that sounds nice donald
• 1:00:48
  duck i swear i've watched disney things before
• 1:00:50
  donald's donald's mutated cousin david duck uh
• 1:00:56
  no not daffy oh my god donald things donald duck
• 1:01:01
  and daisy duck are the duck version they're the
• 1:01:03
  two ducks going on those are and they also know
• 1:01:06
  Donald also sees two ducks go on to Noah's Ark
• 1:01:10
  as well. And he's like, huh? Oh, I guess they're
• 1:01:13
  the two mutant ducks then. Yeah, that's David
• 1:01:15
  Duck. And then Donald loses Daisy and Daisy loses
• 1:01:20
  Donald. Oh, it was sad because they must have
• 1:01:23
  drowned in the Great Purge. Yeah. Oh, never mind,
• 1:01:27
  there they are. It's just, you know, it's Noah's
• 1:01:29
  Ark. Yeah, it was very simple. I think... it's
• 1:01:35
  nice having donald in it and i think like some
• 1:01:38
  of the slapstick in it is great but at the same
• 1:01:41
  time donald kind of loses something by not having
• 1:01:44
  his voice you know what i mean yes little tantrums
• 1:01:47
  yeah so it kind of felt it could have been anyone
• 1:01:51
  in that role i mean literally the only thing
• 1:01:54
  that i wrote down was awe because it's cute it's
• 1:01:57
  really cute and it's a it's a nice little um
• 1:02:01
  set up for the last one i guess that like it's
• 1:02:04
  a nice little palate cleanser after uh sorcerer's
• 1:02:07
  apprentice something simple and easy to digest
• 1:02:10
  it's fine it's all right i was really disappointed
• 1:02:14
  by this one i love donald duck and i saw him
• 1:02:17
  on the box i watched on blu -ray and i saw him
• 1:02:19
  on the box like yeah my fucking boy's here yeah
• 1:02:21
  um it's just so like i think the animation looks
• 1:02:25
  good but it's like so digital and clean looking
• 1:02:28
  and it doesn't feel as handmade as the rest of
• 1:02:30
  it or yeah as passionate as the rest of it and
• 1:02:33
  it felt like the most basic example of what one
• 1:02:36
  of these could be and and that's like a bit of
• 1:02:39
  a insult to be honest uh i guess basic can be
• 1:02:43
  good but it didn't hit for me at all if this
• 1:02:45
  is like the donald vehicle and the last one was
• 1:02:48
  the mickey vehicle of like the thing like the
• 1:02:49
  mickey one's so much more interesting and different
• 1:02:53
  and it tells a good story still and obviously
• 1:02:54
  noah's ark is like an iconic story but i didn't
• 1:02:57
  really get much out of it here yeah it just feels
• 1:02:59
  like too boring of a story like noah's ark isn't
• 1:03:02
  super boring but it's just like the animals came
• 1:03:05
  in two by two hurrah then they got there good
• 1:03:09
  all right yeah um donald was there and that's
• 1:03:13
  like the backdressing as well like when i focused
• 1:03:15
  on that we're focusing on like donald slapstick
• 1:03:18
  looking for daisy yeah i just felt like there
• 1:03:21
  were too many chances that they would have actually
• 1:03:23
  seen donald you know go up into the gears and
• 1:03:27
  be like realism was definitely the the big drawback
• 1:03:32
  it really is like when he went through those
• 1:03:34
  gears he should have been mashed into a duck
• 1:03:36
  paste daisy should have been mourning them no
• 1:03:41
  but yeah i don't know i just yeah it's it's fine
• 1:03:45
  it's not my favorite at all it's not the worst
• 1:03:48
  one because we know that steadfast tin soldier
• 1:03:50
  but yeah i think it's the most disappointing
• 1:03:52
  one yeah i think i agree when you set up that
• 1:03:55
  it's donald and you see him naked on the hammock
• 1:03:59
  great phenomenal and then it just kind of loses
• 1:04:02
  all of his all of his charm i i really think
• 1:04:06
  that not having his voice is is crazy like if
• 1:04:11
  yeah they just had a little bit of him going
• 1:04:13
  kind of thing over some of it it would have been
• 1:04:17
  great but yeah hey how we didn't and then we
• 1:04:21
  close it out right yeah this is the last one
• 1:04:23
  yeah firebird sweet last one firebird sweet um
• 1:04:27
  1999 no 1919 version sorry by eagles javinsky
• 1:04:32
  yes um i'll say it this was nearly my favorite
• 1:04:37
  it is beautiful i agree yeah first of all i didn't
• 1:04:41
  recognize the title of the song but when it hits
• 1:04:43
  you'll know it like i was i literally have written
• 1:04:45
  down oh it's that music like really iconic music
• 1:04:49
  but the the way this works with like there's
• 1:04:51
  like this uh i don't know how to describe it
• 1:04:54
  really a sprite yeah that's a good way to put
• 1:04:56
  it she's like this like nature there's this this
• 1:04:58
  force of nature like she turns into water and
• 1:05:01
  then grass and the animation on that as she's
• 1:05:04
  transforming through these different forms of
• 1:05:06
  nature was like amazing yeah the wave one was
• 1:05:09
  stunning when she when she like yeah like towards
• 1:05:13
  the end when she turns into the wave and she
• 1:05:15
  just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and you
• 1:05:17
  can see the perspective because the elk gets
• 1:05:20
  smaller and smaller and she's just like cover
• 1:05:23
  in the sky to be able to bring all this stuff
• 1:05:25
  back to life it was unbelievable i wrote down
• 1:05:28
  dark souls boss moment is that the big fire phoenix
• 1:05:32
  yeah when when she goes up to it and touches
• 1:05:34
  it and it's like oh my god that thing was uh
• 1:05:38
  metal like i think they must have done this piece
• 1:05:41
  and wise it must have been like this is our schoenberg
• 1:05:43
  like the satan yes on the first bald mountain
• 1:05:45
  and that's like this huge fiery demon bird yeah
• 1:05:49
  i i i said the exact same thing phoenix style
• 1:05:52
  thing is uh a nice call back to the og with uh
• 1:05:56
  the demon whose name i could not remember i think
• 1:05:59
  it's so cool he's got the same kind of look uh
• 1:06:03
  the eyes are very similar but obviously he's
• 1:06:05
  a bird instead and uh yeah that was really cool
• 1:06:10
  and really uh Really stunning. The animation
• 1:06:13
  in this just overall is unbelievable. The animation
• 1:06:17
  on the sprite is gorgeous and I said that Disney
• 1:06:21
  never fails to animate animals so well and I
• 1:06:24
  think that's the same in the Donald Duck one
• 1:06:29
  and it's the same in this one because the way
• 1:06:32
  that the elk moves is just so good. They just
• 1:06:37
  know what they're doing. This kind of reminded
• 1:06:39
  me a little bit of Moana. um as well with the
• 1:06:41
  big nature woman at the end it's like taffeti
• 1:06:44
  she starts as like a fire monster and then turns
• 1:06:47
  into nature so it's it's a kind of similar vibe
• 1:06:49
  yeah yeah taffeti and um takar i cannot remember
• 1:06:54
  something like that um but yeah yeah i i totally
• 1:06:58
  agree it gave Lots of Moana vibes. I thought
• 1:07:02
  this was lovely. The story was lovely. When they
• 1:07:05
  introduced it as like a story of life and death,
• 1:07:08
  I was like, oh my, what are we going to see?
• 1:07:10
  And then it was just like, yeah, like nature
• 1:07:13
  coming back to life after winter, which is lovely.
• 1:07:17
  And then, oh no, destruction. And it was actual
• 1:07:20
  like, oh my God, the whole forest is dead. Everything's
• 1:07:24
  died. It's so sad, but so beautiful. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:07:29
  And then you get that kind of like nice thing
• 1:07:30
  and walk away of where like nature kind of feels
• 1:07:32
  again. Did you know that the area is based on
• 1:07:37
  Yellowstone? No, not Yellowstone. It's Mount
• 1:07:41
  St. Helens. No, I didn't know that. So if you
• 1:07:44
  look up a picture of Mount St. Helens at the
• 1:07:47
  end, when it zooms out, it's pretty much Mount
• 1:07:51
  St. Helens. Oh. Yeah. So it's inspired by the
• 1:07:55
  eruption of Mount St. Helens, which is crazy.
• 1:07:59
  That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Very cool. Sick.
• 1:08:03
  Yeah. Yeah. So there we go. And then it just
• 1:08:05
  ends. And then it just ends. There's nothing
• 1:08:08
  else. And it just goes on to the credits after
• 1:08:12
  that and the orchestra all walk away and we get
• 1:08:14
  a little bit of music. No, thank you for coming
• 1:08:16
  here. No, nothing. James Earl Jones didn't come
• 1:08:19
  back. Steve Martin didn't come back. Come on,
• 1:08:22
  guys. Steve Martin is in a post -credit scene.
• 1:08:25
  I missed that. I turned it off too quickly. How
• 1:08:29
  did they do a post -credit scene in 1999? Well,
• 1:08:33
  technically it's not post -credit. It's like
• 1:08:34
  when the credits finish, the Disney logo comes
• 1:08:38
  up and then you hear Steve Martin being like,
• 1:08:39
  camera back on me. Okay, that's quite good. I
• 1:08:43
  like that. And then it just finishes. Oh, dear.
• 1:08:47
  So that is Fantasia 2000. Andy, what did you
• 1:08:52
  think overall? Overall, this is a bit of a weird
• 1:08:54
  one to start on. It's very weird. This is the
• 1:08:56
  first episode. We're finding our feet in, and
• 1:08:59
  we hit a movie which is experimental and segmented,
• 1:09:04
  and we're hitting this running. Hell yeah. Overall,
• 1:09:08
  I really, really like this, and I think I like
• 1:09:13
  it more than the original, which is not something
• 1:09:15
  I expected to say. Yeah. Do you know what? I
• 1:09:18
  think I agree. I think it's, I think, There's
• 1:09:21
  a lot of hits. Obviously, there's a couple that
• 1:09:25
  don't hit. Fuck you, Steadfast Tin Soldier, you
• 1:09:28
  bastard. But yeah, I think nearly all of these
• 1:09:34
  are absolute bangers. They're so good. I really
• 1:09:39
  like it. I think it's a great film. I've said
• 1:09:42
  it like four times already during this episode.
• 1:09:45
  If you are interested in any of these, please
• 1:09:48
  just watch it because it's... it's the runtime
• 1:09:51
  is nothing and it's so much fun you'll have a
• 1:09:54
  great time i think it's worth like if even if
• 1:09:57
  you're not that interested like if um the first
• 1:09:59
  one's run time's putting you off at all i think
• 1:10:01
  it's probably worth saying like it's probably
• 1:10:03
  better you do watch it and then just be willing
• 1:10:06
  to skip the bits you don't like because when
• 1:10:08
  i was watching it there's some bits that are
• 1:10:10
  so long in the original that are no good in my
• 1:10:12
  opinion um which i don't think you have to worry
• 1:10:15
  about here there's like a couple where You might
• 1:10:17
  not like them, but they're over pretty quick
• 1:10:19
  if you don't. Yeah, all of the animations, they
• 1:10:25
  feel not... They don't overstay their welcome.
• 1:10:28
  I think the closest one to overstaying its welcome
• 1:10:32
  is Pines of Rome. Like you said, it has those
• 1:10:36
  lulls in it, but I don't think it's... too much
• 1:10:39
  of an issue but yeah everything's everything
• 1:10:41
  just flies by it's it's like watching a compilation
• 1:10:44
  of like pixar shorts or something like that it's
• 1:10:47
  great yeah it is yeah so we've told you what
• 1:10:49
  we think but let's see what everyone else thinks
• 1:10:52
  um andy and i are huge fans of the social media
• 1:10:55
  app letterboxd so we're going to check out some
• 1:10:59
  of the reviews from there yeah i've actually
• 1:11:02
  held off blogging this because you were going
• 1:11:04
  to pick up some reviews and i wanted to like
• 1:11:06
  i didn't want to see anything i just want to
• 1:11:08
  I'm in this raw. Good thinking. So, first one.
• 1:11:12
  Rhapsody in Blue is so strong that literally
• 1:11:15
  every other segment could suck and this would
• 1:11:18
  still be one of the greatest movies of all time.
• 1:11:20
  Agreed. That's fair enough. Why did this film
• 1:11:26
  of 74 minutes need nine different hosts? Agreed.
• 1:11:30
  Yeah, that was a good point. Like I said earlier,
• 1:11:33
  I like the intimacy of the conductors in reducing
• 1:11:36
  it. that'd be a cooler guess but like yeah i
• 1:11:39
  get that yeah agreed agreed put this on for rhapsody
• 1:11:43
  in blue stayed for the flamingo with a yo -yo
• 1:11:45
  i'm glad that it's not just us i know it's so
• 1:11:48
  good i can't wait another 40 years for the next
• 1:11:54
  fantasia so maybe we'll see some of those that's
• 1:11:57
  by the same person that did the one that said
• 1:11:59
  rhapsody in blue is so strong they've they've
• 1:12:03
  reviewed this like five times someone said that
• 1:12:08
  Noah's Ark scene made the sequel peak which I
• 1:12:12
  do not agree with damn I don't get that no not
• 1:12:16
  at all can't wait to see Fantasia 3000 in brackets
• 1:12:20
  only 975 years left 7 out of 10 so yeah it seems
• 1:12:25
  like a lot of people like this and they should
• 1:12:27
  because it's great yeah you know what speaking
• 1:12:30
  of Fantasia 3000 right That's not where we were
• 1:12:33
  going to go with this. So I actually do have
• 1:12:35
  some notes written about this. Are you trying
• 1:12:39
  to pitch? Are you trying to pitch this to Disney?
• 1:12:41
  This isn't me. You know what, actually? They
• 1:12:44
  had a pitch from... So back before Fantasy 2000
• 1:12:48
  came out, they actually had a pitch for something
• 1:12:49
  called Musicana. This was worked on by Wolfgang
• 1:12:53
  Reithemann, who has worked on quite a lot of
• 1:12:56
  Disney films, and Mel Shaw. They got really,
• 1:12:59
  really invested in this. there's some beautiful
• 1:13:02
  artwork you can find this is called musicana
• 1:13:04
  this should give you an example of what they
• 1:13:06
  were looking at we had one which this is going
• 1:13:08
  to sound familiar if you're a disney fan jazz
• 1:13:11
  music in like the south of america with frogs
• 1:13:15
  does that sound familiar at all i have no idea
• 1:13:18
  what you could be talking about at all no of
• 1:13:22
  course yeah it's very similar princess and the
• 1:13:24
  frog i couldn't actually find anything about
• 1:13:26
  whether they were inspired on this it seems like
• 1:13:29
  Everything I could see about the development
• 1:13:30
  of that, it seems like they just came to this
• 1:13:32
  same conclusion, but it could also be a lie.
• 1:13:35
  They also did Alibaba and the Forty Thieves,
• 1:13:38
  which obviously kind of ties in with Aladdin,
• 1:13:40
  but this looks totally different. It doesn't
• 1:13:43
  lose any inspiration there. They had one called
• 1:13:47
  Philandia, which was about giant ice and sun
• 1:13:50
  gods doing battle. They had a Chinese -inspired
• 1:13:53
  one called Emperor's Nightingale with Mickey
• 1:13:55
  Mouse, and John Lester was actually going to
• 1:13:57
  work on that one. Oh, nice. There's one called
• 1:14:00
  The Rain God, where a monkey steals from God.
• 1:14:03
  I don't know what that is. What? Pretty badass.
• 1:14:07
  That's cool. And there was a South American sequence
• 1:14:10
  as well, and they presented this to the executives,
• 1:14:13
  and they just pointed at the Fantasia original
• 1:14:15
  bombing. um and it didn't go any further forward
• 1:14:18
  um mel shaw stayed with disney he kept animating
• 1:14:22
  but this was the thing that inspired wolfgang
• 1:14:25
  reichelman to leave um but then following this
• 1:14:28
  we got obviously fantasia 2000 they went and
• 1:14:31
  make fantasia 2006 that was actually gonna happen
• 1:14:35
  and then this just didn't do well like two bombs
• 1:14:38
  in a row so that just kind of dwindled out so
• 1:14:42
  from what it seems Fantasia 2006 would have been
• 1:14:46
  kind of stepping away from classical music a
• 1:14:48
  little bit. It would have been music from around
• 1:14:51
  the world. And some of these actually got made
• 1:14:54
  and finished and released. So I'll run through
• 1:14:58
  a couple of them with you. One of them has actually
• 1:15:00
  been mentioned already. It's called Destino.
• 1:15:03
  It's featured on the Blu -ray as a special feature,
• 1:15:05
  but it's also on Disney Plus as its own standalone
• 1:15:07
  little thing. It's also on YouTube. And this
• 1:15:11
  is the Salvatore Dali one. uh weird weird weird
• 1:15:17
  and freaky how so it's just very abstract i have
• 1:15:24
  no idea what's going on you're not really meant
• 1:15:25
  to know what's going on um it's beautifully animated
• 1:15:28
  um but this was started in the in the uh late
• 1:15:32
  40s with disney and delhi himself um and then
• 1:15:36
  it was kind of like buried because that never
• 1:15:38
  made money And then Roy Disney, who I think is
• 1:15:41
  Disney's nephew or something like that, he found
• 1:15:44
  it and unearthed it and came back to it. And
• 1:15:46
  it's good. It's interesting to look at. I'm not
• 1:15:50
  great with abstract art, to be honest, so I'm
• 1:15:52
  not the person to ask. But I think just for the
• 1:15:54
  fact it's Salvatore Dali in Disney, and it's
• 1:15:58
  like six minutes long, it's worth checking out.
• 1:16:00
  That is crazy. i'm just looking up it said it
• 1:16:04
  was so it began in 1945 and only finished in
• 1:16:08
  2003 it took 58 years to to complete yeah it's
• 1:16:14
  crazy yeah of course it wasn't like in constant
• 1:16:17
  development like you say it got lost at some
• 1:16:20
  point so but that's wild yeah it's so strange
• 1:16:25
  and that's like something you can just watch
• 1:16:26
  like on disney plus right now if you wanted to
• 1:16:28
  great cool like i say it's elsewhere um lorenzo
• 1:16:32
  was the next one this is a similar thing where
• 1:16:34
  it did get pitched back then and then it got
• 1:16:36
  completed now so if we say destino was like based
• 1:16:39
  on like kind of mexican culture this one seems
• 1:16:41
  a bit more spanish it's like a tango music one
• 1:16:44
  of the facts i read about this is the animator
• 1:16:46
  it said something like he went to a virgin megastore
• 1:16:49
  and spent like 150 of his own money on tango
• 1:16:51
  music to write this which i just like that little
• 1:16:54
  fact um basically it's this Huge, pompous, fluffy
• 1:17:00
  cat. He's like, I'm the best cat. I'm the bee's
• 1:17:03
  knees and all this shit. And this cat comes in
• 1:17:05
  with no tail. And he's like, the big cat's like,
• 1:17:08
  kind of like doing this like, kind of like, you
• 1:17:09
  know, like inch big signature of his fingers
• 1:17:12
  that you'd expect for maybe not a tail. Like
• 1:17:16
  taking the make out of the size of his tail.
• 1:17:17
  This cat puts a hex on the bigger cat. Oh, now
• 1:17:21
  your tail's like in control of you. So the tail
• 1:17:23
  gets possessed. it's like dancing with him it's
• 1:17:26
  like take you know it's like making his life
• 1:17:28
  a nightmare and then the bigger cat ended up
• 1:17:30
  having to get rid of his tail because of it oh
• 1:17:33
  no it's really fun and really cute and um really
• 1:17:37
  well animated i i really like this one the music's
• 1:17:40
  totally different as well for being tango music
• 1:17:42
  cool this next one has an interesting history
• 1:17:46
  so um this one's called one by one and the music's
• 1:17:49
  done by someone called libo m And he worked on
• 1:17:53
  The Lion King. He did a lot of that stuff. This
• 1:17:55
  was a song that was meant to be in the first
• 1:17:57
  Lion King. It gets cut. It's still in the musical
• 1:18:02
  version, but they take that song and they readapt
• 1:18:05
  it into this. And it's just a show with kids
• 1:18:06
  in Africa flying kites. And then after, funnily
• 1:18:10
  enough, actually, after Fantasia 2006 was cancelled,
• 1:18:13
  this ended up as a bonus feature on the Lion
• 1:18:15
  King Dude DVD. Oh, sick. That's lovely. At least
• 1:18:18
  it found its way somewhere. Yeah. And it's okay.
• 1:18:23
  It's alright. I didn't really care for it. It's
• 1:18:26
  fine. There's nothing special about the animation
• 1:18:29
  or the story or the music. I must have heard
• 1:18:32
  the song because I've seen Lion King live, but
• 1:18:34
  I don't really like the version of it, controversially.
• 1:18:38
  It's fine. This one, like I said, you can get
• 1:18:41
  it on the Lion King Blu -ray or YouTube again.
• 1:18:45
  This next one I actually couldn't find on YouTube.
• 1:18:48
  It is on Disney+. This one's very interesting.
• 1:18:52
  I probably wouldn't even talk about any of them
• 1:18:54
  other than Dali if it wasn't for this one. This
• 1:18:58
  one's called The Little Match Girl. This one
• 1:19:01
  takes its inspiration from Russia. It's based
• 1:19:03
  on a poem or something like that. I'm going to
• 1:19:07
  read you my notes in a bit, but I do want to
• 1:19:09
  warn you that I'm going to spoil this short.
• 1:19:11
  So if you are listening... and you don't want
• 1:19:15
  to be spoiled for the work you're doing check
• 1:19:16
  it out for yourself i do recommend it time codes
• 1:19:18
  are below to skip to the ranking which we'll
• 1:19:20
  do next but also probably watch it because it's
• 1:19:23
  like what five minutes long yeah give it a watch
• 1:19:26
  and then pause us right now and come back yeah
• 1:19:29
  are you paused uh but not you james you're getting
• 1:19:32
  spoiled so it's gorgeous animation actually reminds
• 1:19:36
  me a bit of do you remember anastasia yes good
• 1:19:39
  film yeah Looks a bit like that. So this is a
• 1:19:42
  story about a little girl who's homeless. She's
• 1:19:44
  trying to sell matches on the streets, but no
• 1:19:47
  one's buying them. And she takes a break in an
• 1:19:51
  alleyway on a night and she's trying to get some
• 1:19:52
  warmth. So she's lighting up matches. And in
• 1:19:54
  the flame, you can see this different life of
• 1:19:57
  like her grandmother caring for her and looking
• 1:19:59
  after her. It's like Christmas. And then we see
• 1:20:03
  like it transitions a bit. The grandmother comes
• 1:20:06
  in the alley, picks the kid up and walks away.
• 1:20:10
  As she walks away, you realize it's not actually
• 1:20:12
  the kid that's being picked up, it's the kid's
• 1:20:14
  soul. The grandmother is dead, the kid is dead,
• 1:20:19
  and the grandmother has come down from heaven
• 1:20:21
  to guide the kid to heaven. The kid died in the
• 1:20:24
  other way. What the fuck? My notes go, like,
• 1:20:27
  just really, like, gorgeous, this reminds me
• 1:20:29
  of Anastasia. Probably the shot I can most imagine
• 1:20:31
  in Fantasia. Golly, this is sad. Oh my god, I'm
• 1:20:35
  crying. Fuck, fuck, fuck. I did not expect that
• 1:20:41
  ending in a Disney movie. What the fuck? That's
• 1:20:45
  so fucked. It's horrible. It's really sad. That
• 1:20:49
  sounds awful. Apparently, they did play about
• 1:20:52
  with, like, listen, son, we're Disney. We don't
• 1:20:54
  do this. They played about with Miranda's and
• 1:20:57
  nothing felt like it was good enough to replace
• 1:21:01
  this, so they stuck with it, which, yes, credit
• 1:21:03
  to them. But goddammit, it's a miserable little
• 1:21:06
  show. Jesus. That sounds horrible. yeah i almost
• 1:21:10
  feel bad for making people pause and watch it
• 1:21:13
  but um if i had a cry city yeah i've got a tear
• 1:21:18
  in my eye yeah it's very sad but that's yeah
• 1:21:21
  that those are some um i don't think everything
• 1:21:23
  we cover is going to have anything like that
• 1:21:25
  that's probably going to be the only time we
• 1:21:27
  ever have something where it's like this had
• 1:21:28
  a sequel it was cancelled but here's four complete
• 1:21:31
  scenes yeah exactly i mean you can't you kind
• 1:21:35
  of have to expect that when obviously they were
• 1:21:38
  working on fantasia 2006 so there will be completed
• 1:21:42
  parts that are out there it's just a shame that
• 1:21:45
  like unless they're working on another one at
• 1:21:48
  some point we're probably not going to get those
• 1:21:51
  kind of, and with the rise of like Disney and
• 1:21:55
  Pixar shorts, we're not going to get the rise
• 1:21:58
  of that kind of stuff again, which is a shame.
• 1:22:01
  I think, yeah, if they ever touched on this again,
• 1:22:03
  it's more likely than not, let's be real, it's
• 1:22:05
  probably just going to be shorts on Disney. It's
• 1:22:07
  not going to be like a feature. Well, think of
• 1:22:09
  the, what was that Mickey Mouse one where it's
• 1:22:13
  like an old and a new one at the same time. Oh
• 1:22:16
  yeah, they did like a Steamboat Willie kind of
• 1:22:19
  follow -up. Yeah, which was sick. It was so fun.
• 1:22:23
  But yeah, it's a shame that we might not get
• 1:22:26
  as interesting stuff, but you never know, there
• 1:22:28
  might be some fucking weird video games at some
• 1:22:31
  point. True, true. Can't wait. So with that all
• 1:22:34
  said and done, I think it's time we give Fantasia
• 1:22:37
  2000 its dues and declare where we put it in
• 1:22:40
  our ranking system. Our official ranking system
• 1:22:43
  that we came up with, it's a cute little way
• 1:22:45
  to keep this on topic. On the bottom of the top,
• 1:22:48
  we've got the bargain bin. We'd reserve this
• 1:22:51
  for anything straight to DVD that's not even
• 1:22:54
  worth the time. We've got it straight in that
• 1:22:55
  goddamn bargain bin. Not even straight to video,
• 1:22:57
  it's just straight in the bin. Yeah, straight
• 1:22:59
  in the bargain bin. Some grandma might pick it
• 1:23:02
  up for 50 pence. Oh, my grandson liked this one.
• 1:23:06
  And she brings it home and it's... Goddamn garbage.
• 1:23:08
  And you can't say anything because it's your
• 1:23:10
  lovely grandma. It's the goddamn steadfast tin
• 1:23:13
  soldier again. I hate it so much. The next rank
• 1:23:20
  above bargain bin, we've got straight to video.
• 1:23:23
  This is a fete of most Disney sequels, apparently.
• 1:23:27
  Something just, it's whatever. Straight to video.
• 1:23:31
  out of sight out of mind could be good um probably
• 1:23:33
  not you can watch it yeah next we have our diamond
• 1:23:36
  edition so this is uh if you're familiar with
• 1:23:39
  disney home media this is something they would
• 1:23:40
  do in a big re -release they would declare this
• 1:23:43
  is the diamond edition of the lion king or something
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  like that so this is something that may still
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  have just been on dvd or blu -ray or video but
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  it does deserve that little extra bit of attention
• 1:23:55
  It's like when games would do that, like, player's
• 1:23:59
  choice kind of thing. Yeah, exactly, yeah. But
• 1:24:02
  better. But better. And finally, we have Disney
• 1:24:05
  Classics. So, funny enough, this one actually
• 1:24:07
  is, technically speaking, a Disney Classic already,
• 1:24:10
  like, in the real world. But this is basically
• 1:24:13
  saying this is a sequel that's so worthy of its
• 1:24:16
  original successor that it should actually just
• 1:24:18
  be a Disney Classic itself. It should be in that
• 1:24:20
  original run of films. It should have been a
• 1:24:23
  category we released if it wasn't. This one,
• 1:24:26
  like I say, was. Just because it was, it doesn't
• 1:24:29
  mean it's necessarily going to be here. Like,
• 1:24:30
  one or two is technically a Disney classic, but
• 1:24:32
  is it going to make it up there? Who knows? We'll
• 1:24:34
  find out in 50 weeks or whatever. Which of these
• 1:24:39
  four categories do you think is best befitting
• 1:24:42
  of Fantasia 2000? Oh, baby. I think this is fantastic.
• 1:24:50
  And I think... We skip the bargain bin. It's
• 1:24:53
  not going in there. It's not straight to video.
• 1:24:57
  This was definitely not. I think we're going
• 1:25:01
  to brush off that diamond. No, throw that diamond
• 1:25:07
  in the bargain bin. We're going Disney Classics,
• 1:25:09
  baby. I think this is great. I think it's well
• 1:25:13
  worth a Disney Classics rating. I think nearly
• 1:25:17
  everything smashes it out of the park. For me
• 1:25:22
  personally, yeah, this is a Disney classic. I
• 1:25:24
  really enjoyed this. I had a great time. And
• 1:25:27
  I was coming in being like, this is just going
• 1:25:30
  to be Fantasia again. And I was very pleasantly
• 1:25:34
  surprised and had a great time with nearly all
• 1:25:38
  of this. So yeah, I would say Disney classic.
• 1:25:41
  What about you, my boy? What do you think? i
• 1:25:45
  think i gotta agree man like if for me like i
• 1:25:47
  said it's slightly above the original just because
• 1:25:50
  it's the hit rates better yeah the pacing for
• 1:25:54
  being shorter just means that those ones you
• 1:25:56
  don't like if you don't like it it's not here
• 1:25:58
  for long yeah and it's it is just worthy isn't
• 1:26:03
  it it's just really cool fun man it's just fun
• 1:26:06
  it's oh yeah i i really like it steadfast tin
• 1:26:10
  soldier we can take that out and put that in
• 1:26:12
  the bargain bin though I'd happily leave that
• 1:26:15
  in the bargain bin, yeah. Where it could rot
• 1:26:17
  forever. Yeah. That creepy fucking jack -in -the
• 1:26:21
  -box can fuck off. Since he's clutching on, I
• 1:26:25
  guess, the creepy classics as well. I guess.
• 1:26:30
  But the bad definitely is outweighed tremendously
• 1:26:33
  by the good. 100%. Yeah. Love it. and with that
• 1:26:39
  done i guess we can wrap it up so this has been
• 1:26:43
  a bit of a longer episode i imagine because of
• 1:26:45
  the situation of the film but next week we're
• 1:26:49
  looking at a bit more of a traditional sequel
• 1:26:53
  And kind of what you'd expect from this podcast.
• 1:26:56
  We're looking at Bambi 2, maybe. Bambi 2, baby.
• 1:26:59
  The deer is back and going on other adventures.
• 1:27:04
  What's going to happen? I don't know. I've never
• 1:27:07
  seen it. Me neither. Oh, really? Oh. No, I've
• 1:27:11
  never seen this one. Oh, wow. Maybe seen Bambi.
• 1:27:14
  I feel like this is going to be another one where
• 1:27:16
  I've definitely seen Bambi and then I'm going
• 1:27:17
  to stick it on. I don't remember any of this.
• 1:27:19
  See, that's what I feel like I'm going to be
• 1:27:22
  like with Bambi 1 as well, because I'm just like,
• 1:27:24
  I remember parts of it. I remember Thumper. What
• 1:27:27
  a dude. I remember Thumper. And I remember what
• 1:27:32
  happens. Can I remember the rest of it? No, I
• 1:27:35
  just remember there's some nice flowers and stuff.
• 1:27:38
  Yeah, I think there's a character called Flowers.
• 1:27:41
  Okay, I might not have seen Bambi 1. I don't
• 1:27:45
  remember. I feel like I have, though. Be an interesting
• 1:27:49
  journey, though. Yeah. A very interesting journey.
• 1:27:51
  I'm very much looking forward to it. So, Bambi
• 1:27:55
  1, and then watching Bambi 1, and then talking
• 1:27:58
  about Bambi 2 with you, our listeners, and my
• 1:28:03
  wonderful co -host, Mr. Andy. In the meantime,
• 1:28:08
  just to wrap it up, I think we could confirm
• 1:28:11
  this is going to be a fortnightly podcast, or
• 1:28:15
  if you're American, bi -weekly. That's how they
• 1:28:18
  say it, right? Yeah. That sounds like two a week
• 1:28:21
  to me. I don't know why they do that. Every two
• 1:28:23
  weeks, this podcast will release. Yeah, that's
• 1:28:26
  the easiest way to say it. Yeah. And it will
• 1:28:30
  be on Tuesdays, if I've got that right. I believe
• 1:28:33
  it's every other Tuesday you'll get this. Cool.
• 1:28:36
  Great. In the meantime, where can you find us?
• 1:28:39
  Well, we've got AfterEverAfterPod on Instagram,
• 1:28:42
  and we have a Gmail. Do you remember where the
• 1:28:45
  Gmail is, James? Yeah, that would be AfterEverAfterPod
• 1:28:48
  at Gmail .com. We're happy to get any letters
• 1:28:52
  at all. You know, these are films where, like,
• 1:28:55
  I don't think you're coming at them strictly
• 1:28:57
  with the most critical lens. You know, everyone's
• 1:28:59
  got their own, like, little childhood nostalgia,
• 1:29:01
  so I actually would generally be very interested
• 1:29:03
  to hear different... Different opinions. Did
• 1:29:05
  we get it right? Did we get it wrong? Yeah, it'd
• 1:29:07
  be nice to know if someone prefers the sequel
• 1:29:10
  to the original as well. Let us know if any of
• 1:29:14
  these, that you really like the sequel and you
• 1:29:17
  hate the original. Definitely. In the meantime,
• 1:29:19
  I'd also like to thank Joe Taron, who did the
• 1:29:22
  theme tune for the podcast. We absolutely love
• 1:29:24
  it. Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Joe. I'd also
• 1:29:27
  like to thank Jordan, who did all the artwork
• 1:29:28
  for Instagram and also helped with the development
• 1:29:30
  of the podcast. And where can the people find
• 1:29:37
  you, Jim? So I'm on Instagram at Jimmy Smerds.
• 1:29:41
  I'm also on Letterboxd as I think my name is
• 1:29:46
  Nat Rumpf on there. Yeah. You can probably also
• 1:29:49
  just search my name, which is James Smerden on
• 1:29:52
  there and you'll find me on there. Follow me.
• 1:29:55
  I like having people to follow on Letterboxd.
• 1:29:59
  What about you, Andy? Where can they find you?
• 1:30:02
  Same as yourself. I'm on Instagram. The one to
• 1:30:05
  follow is Oatmans Movies. That's O -A -T -M -U
• 1:30:08
  -N -S Movies. And then on Letterboxd at Audi
• 1:30:11
  Boat. So that was Fantasia 2000. And that is
• 1:30:16
  the end of this episode. Andy, I'll see you after
• 1:30:20
  Ever After. Take care. See you next time.