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ITB: Why Didn't Eagles Land Top OC Choices? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
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  Speaker 1: is Adam Kaplan and Jeff Mosher for Inside the Birds
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  Speaker 1: and we are in the first full week it's technically
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  Speaker 1: week two, but the first full week of the Eagle
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  Speaker 1: search for an offensive coordinators. We're starting to get some
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  Speaker 1: answers as to who's not coming. And then the Eagles are,
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  Speaker 1: of course, are continuing their carousel of having some guys,
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  Speaker 1: some familiar faces in and out for interviews. Adam, so
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the situation as it stands, because I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of people really had their hopes up
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  Speaker 1: for either Mike McDaniel or Brian Dabele McDaniel. You know,
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  Speaker 1: McDaniel's gonna go be the OC in LA for the
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  Speaker 1: Chargers under Harbaugh, and then Dabeles sort of has the
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills head coaching potential job along with the Titans
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  Speaker 1: OC job. Neither guy gonna be with the Eagles. Not
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  Speaker 1: surprising to you or me given what we have been
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  Speaker 1: talking about on this podcast and hearing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Mike mcdan was never fitt. He never
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  Speaker 2: even agreed to do an interview. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: understand every team if you talk to them they'll have
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  Speaker 2: a list of guys they really like, they're interested in
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  Speaker 2: talking to. It just didn't fit stylistically. I just didn't
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  Speaker 2: with Hurts. It's just not a good fit. Hurts is
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  Speaker 2: not a timing and rhythm thrower.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Every once in a while you go, wow, that was
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  Speaker 2: really good. But he just he just can't do it consistently.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's not just him, Zach Robinson. They're looking at
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  Speaker 2: a lot of West Coast guys. Now, I understand. They
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  Speaker 2: don't all run it the same way. It's like any defense,
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  Speaker 2: not every Fandrew disciple. They don't all run it like Vic.
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  Speaker 2: There was some nuances, some differences, but it just was
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  Speaker 2: never anything. I'm like, this is not gonna happen. But
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  Speaker 2: they could wish for it all they want. But the
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  Speaker 2: Brian Dabele and let me just a separate fact from fiction.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I You know, I've every television interview
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  Speaker 2: I've done the last te week where this is going
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  Speaker 2: to go. He's going to go to Tennessee as a
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  Speaker 2: head coach or the offensive coordinator. So I'll explain it
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  Speaker 2: more detail here since I have more time. You know,
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  Speaker 2: TV you got three minutes here, We've got twenty, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take that long. It take two minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So basically, the Jordan manager Mike Burganci worked with with
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  Speaker 2: day Ball in Kansas City. I've we've known each other
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  Speaker 2: for a number of years. Sala on his wish list
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  Speaker 2: when in day Ball he was from what I understand,
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  Speaker 2: it was right up there. Now, I didn't know if
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  Speaker 2: Sala was going to get the job. I thought Maggie
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  Speaker 2: was going to get the job. But Salah really, because
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  Speaker 2: he's going against him. He knows how good of a
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  Speaker 2: play caller is. Struct structure, contact, context matters. You could
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  Speaker 2: look at rankings, Oh well, why isn't it It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: that great. It's all about player development. He's there to
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  Speaker 2: develop the quarterback. He Everyone I've talked to who worked
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  Speaker 2: with day Ball in Buffalo raved about his ability to
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  Speaker 2: challenge Josh Allen to get him play the right way
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  Speaker 2: because he was a wild child. I mean, he was
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  Speaker 2: this great, big athlete with a great arm, with terrible
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  Speaker 2: accuracy and terrible mechanics. So Dabell did a great job.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I know he did. He talked to the Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: he goles, we're one of them, and it just didn't
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  Speaker 2: work out. I don't think it was ever going to
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  Speaker 2: work out to me ounce with you, because there were
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  Speaker 2: at least three head head coaching candidates I knew of
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  Speaker 2: who had had him on their list. It's like the
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  Speaker 2: running joke with Vic. Fangiel was one of the jobs,
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  Speaker 2: one of the one of the head coaching searchers before
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  Speaker 2: Vic took the Eagles job. I think Vic might have
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  Speaker 2: been on five head coaching lists, like they all submitted.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to a coaching agent who got wind
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  Speaker 2: of this, and he said, you won't believe this. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't even represent some of these guys, but the
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  Speaker 2: clubs told me that they all put Fanju on their
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  Speaker 2: list to be their defensive coordinator. Well, he's only one person.
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  Speaker 2: You can't duplicate him. But yeah, so with day Ball,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he used the Eagles. He he talked
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  Speaker 2: to them, so he had some interest. But I think
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  Speaker 2: what happened was that tend of he showed him a
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  Speaker 2: lot of love. He also interviewed for the head coaching
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  Speaker 2: job last Friday, and they showed him a lot of love.
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  Speaker 2: They put the full court press on him. But obviously
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  Speaker 2: he's from Western New York, this is the be a dream.
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  Speaker 2: How could he? Hew could if if he wants it.
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  Speaker 2: Being off for the job, obviously he's going to take
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  Speaker 2: it right, you know, right. But now he's he's a
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  Speaker 2: really sharp guy. I just I argue whether he should
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  Speaker 2: be a head coach with his temper and the way
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  Speaker 2: he handled himself. But as a schemer and designer, one
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  Speaker 2: of the things I love about that guy. This is
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  Speaker 2: what we talked about last week, is that you can't
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  Speaker 2: just peg him. Oh well, he's this scheme. No, he
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  Speaker 2: runs some of McDaniels stuff, some of the Ron Airhart stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That's where that's the Airheart offense is what McDaniels runs. Ye,
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  Speaker 2: college concepts, you name it, he does it.
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  Speaker 1: That was from Haley, right, that was from Haley.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, yes spread spread stuff. He designed stuff for
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  Speaker 2: the run the quarterback to run Hello Josh Allen he
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  Speaker 2: Loo Jalen Hurts. So yeah, it would have been a
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  Speaker 2: great match. I just felt it was probably not gonna
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  Speaker 2: happen based on what was going on there. I give
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  Speaker 2: Eagles credit for trying, but I I I understand the
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  Speaker 2: center we have to acknowledge in social media because we
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  Speaker 2: look at it like people don't want another Syriana guy.
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  Speaker 2: I get that. I'm with you, although I've well a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more on Jim Bob Kuter I was able
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  Speaker 2: to talk to this where James Robert I like to
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  Speaker 2: call him.
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  Speaker 1: I just think he's gonna have to go by JBC
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  Speaker 1: if he comes here to get any sort of cred
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  Speaker 1: with the fan base, he's just gonna have to be easy.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're not in Arkansas, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: But but but anyway, uh, he's he's we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: him in a couple of minutes, but we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: Naggy in a sec. But overall, Brian Dable is really good.
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  Speaker 2: I just wish we would have downplayed for you for
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  Speaker 2: more last week. I didn't want to lead people on.
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  Speaker 2: I never said he behaving clim close to the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: So see he's on the list. They liked him right,
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  Speaker 2: he knows the team, he knows Jaialen and coach him
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  Speaker 2: for a small short time. It wasn't his decision to
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  Speaker 2: bench him, by the way, it was Nick Saban. Hello.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, uh yeah, it's but just to move this
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  Speaker 2: along here. When you have a list of offense Cordinaris,
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  Speaker 2: you try to get four to six. You don't want
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  Speaker 2: to have fifteen. He says. When you do that, then
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  Speaker 2: you know guys, a lot of guys that turn you down. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: McDaniel is a pipe dream. Never. We never believe it
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  Speaker 2: was going to happen. I mean didn't even take the interview.
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  Speaker 2: So if that tells you a lot, right, But Zach
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  Speaker 2: Robinson's an interesting guy, better in your two than year one.
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  Speaker 2: I still have some questions with him stylistically and schematically.
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  Speaker 2: But one thing that I've learned from talking to Joe Banner,
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  Speaker 2: who's a friend of our show. Joe taught me this
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  Speaker 2: and or hours and hours of talks. You always have.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just by numbers. Joe brought analytics into the Eagles,
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  Speaker 2: but he goes, you must evaluate an offensive coordinator. If
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  Speaker 2: it's not number one of your lists, it's number two,
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  Speaker 2: buys you such a personnel. We talk about matchups. Do
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  Speaker 2: you know how to exploit matchups? Do you know how
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  Speaker 2: to get a running back on the linebacker? That was
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  Speaker 2: Joe's big thing. Brian Westbrook helow he Joe, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you could say what you want about Joe, but he's
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  Speaker 2: a big tape guy. Too. There's a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know about him. You know, I peg him
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  Speaker 2: before I really nw him. Was it the numbers guy?
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  Speaker 2: But he taught me. He goes, no, dude, you got
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  Speaker 2: to look at everything. You got to look at scheme
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  Speaker 2: and design, personnel usage and do you develop the players?
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  Speaker 2: And that to me, Zach Robinson like he got something
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  Speaker 2: out of Kyle Pitts this season. I mean Kyle Pitts,
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  Speaker 2: I just figured it was never gonna make it. He
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  Speaker 2: just never became. He had some good years, but he
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  Speaker 2: regressed and then all of a sudden he showed something
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  Speaker 2: contract year. But he got it right with with Robinson
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  Speaker 2: the running back number seven yep, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Some of their biggest plays over the last five or
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  Speaker 1: six weeks of the season when they were beating some
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  Speaker 1: teams that people thought they were getting some big contributions
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  Speaker 1: from David Sills of all people. Yeah, David, I mean
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, who looked completely cooked, you know at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year before was able to throw the
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  Speaker 1: ball and find some open guys. You know, and they
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  Speaker 1: had some injuries because Drake London was out for quite
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  Speaker 1: an injury, right, I figured out how to get the
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  Speaker 1: ball to bejon in the passing I was I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to be like Zach Robinson's pr guy. But there
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  Speaker 1: were some, There was some. It was a bad year
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  Speaker 1: for the Falcons, but certain parts of their offense were
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  Speaker 1: surprisingly okay.
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  Speaker 2: The players were starting to develop. It's pronounced bajon for
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  Speaker 2: people want to know. It took me a year to
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  Speaker 2: get it right. But yeah, but John Robinson number seven,
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  Speaker 2: who's special? He's right now. For my money, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot, but for my money, he's the NFL's
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  Speaker 2: best running back. But Drake Lennon developed under him, no
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  Speaker 2: question about it. When he's been healthy as a player.
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  Speaker 2: They thought they were drafting see and the power back
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  Speaker 2: from b y U. What's what's the kids without looking Algiers?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he developed him.
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  Speaker 1: Now did they use a fullback at all? Because he
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  Speaker 1: is from the Shanahan tree Robinson, but I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, from the McVeigh tree, right, yes, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they don't always use full that correct, okay my fault?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but I know they.
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  Speaker 1: Used a lot of pistol.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now see some of that may have been I
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  Speaker 2: know two years ago when Kirk was coming back from
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  Speaker 2: the Achilles. They put him, well, they put him in
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  Speaker 2: shotgun a lot. He was really not a shotgun quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: but they did to help him out for mobility reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: But I had my problems with Robinson year one. I
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  Speaker 2: just think I was like, this is not this. This
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  Speaker 2: guy's not very good. I understand it's his first year
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  Speaker 2: and needs. You got to be patient. But he did
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  Speaker 2: make progress. But he's one of those I know fans
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  Speaker 2: roll their eyes. I get that, we feel you. He's
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  Speaker 2: a developing coordinator. But again, West Coast, can you throw
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  Speaker 2: with timing? He's not the McVeigh offense. And this is
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  Speaker 2: where Shanahan McVeigh differ. Shanahan is totally timing and anticipation
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  Speaker 2: that like, he's about his timings anticipation as a play
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  Speaker 2: calin schemer we've probably ever seen, right, like his dad,
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  Speaker 2: but even more so because look at rock Pardy. Rock
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  Speaker 2: Perry cannot make it if he could, if he's not
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  Speaker 2: timingsicipation that that's what he played. He has to play
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  Speaker 2: that way. But sir Robinson, so you want to get
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  Speaker 2: the naggy and whoever else?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, real quick though, I do want to circle
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  Speaker 1: back on the questions that we're getting as far as
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  Speaker 1: why would someone like Brian Dable bypass an opportunity. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say Dabele does the head coaching job is obvious, why
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  Speaker 1: would he want to go to Tennessee over Philadelphia? And
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  Speaker 1: I just think people have to have some real honest
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  Speaker 1: questions what the coordinators candidates certainly, but even fans or
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  Speaker 1: Eagles fans looking at this and saying, there are some
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  Speaker 1: questions right now about the Eagles, some of which we
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  Speaker 1: have brought up already, as far as does the scheme
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  Speaker 1: fit the person Does the scheme someone wants to run
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  Speaker 1: fit the personnel that's been in place for four or
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  Speaker 1: five years now, But also a smart candidate is going
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  Speaker 1: into this and wondering, is AJ Brown on the team
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  Speaker 1: next year? Is Lane Johnson healthy and playing next year?
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  Speaker 1: Do the center and left guard? How does the team
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  Speaker 1: feel about their ability to come back and play at
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  Speaker 1: a level prior to that's is Dallas Goddard here next?
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  Speaker 1: If Dallas got it and A J. Brown are not
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  Speaker 1: part of the offense next year, this is not the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles team that you've been thinking about for the last
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  Speaker 1: three or four years. And especially if the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: is beat up. So I'm not saying these are all absolute.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is these are questions. And if
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  Speaker 1: you can go to Tennessee right where the expectations are
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  Speaker 1: very low, you just have to build up the Titans
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  Speaker 1: offense and you get to work with the number one
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  Speaker 1: overall pick quarterback. And if you win six games and
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  Speaker 1: you know, score twenty two points a game next year,
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  Speaker 1: you've done a good job, by.
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  Speaker 2: The way, right, even if he doesn't get the Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: job on. Just to take your point at a step further,
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  Speaker 2: this is why you know, when Kellen Moore came to Philly,
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  Speaker 2: Kellen Moore knew that if they won. Now you could
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  Speaker 2: argue is the passing game wasn't very good, but the
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  Speaker 2: run game sure as hell was. It was elite when
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  Speaker 2: the best in NFL history, and Kellen he parlayed that
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  Speaker 2: into a head coaching job. So I won a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Now, and it helped by the way that Kellen had
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  Speaker 1: a good track record before, or that he had the
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  Speaker 1: number one offenses in Dallas, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know the Twitter mob got Callando though,
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  Speaker 2: but they were they didn't like Kellen because he would
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  Speaker 2: do he would run some gadget stuff in the red
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  Speaker 2: zone and would drive people out of their bleep in mind.
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  Speaker 2: I would laugh. I'm like, geez, you guys, are I
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  Speaker 2: get it?
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Patrula did that this year and it actually worked.
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  Speaker 1: All the gadget stuff they.
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  Speaker 2: Re with with Goddard. Yeah, with the pot past.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah. So I'm just saying these are legit questions
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Just show you know the job of a coaching agent.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: Now that's more on this part would be on table,
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  Speaker 2: but a good coaching agent will give specifics of the building.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: See you love how he every you just talk to
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  Speaker 2: any coaches work for the Eagles. The best thing will
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: say about how he is. There two things that are
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: dominant and which makes him the NFL's best Joe the manager.
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  Speaker 2: He's relentless and proving the roster and and connected to
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  Speaker 2: that is you're gonna have. He's not gonna stop until
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: he gets what he wants in terms of roster construction.
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  Speaker 2: That's all you can ask for. I think coach would
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  Speaker 2: sign up for. So I this is what I this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of what I believe here and on your
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  Speaker 2: point to finish this this part off with Dave on
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  Speaker 2: anyone else who's kind of a veteran coach. Yes, they've
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  Speaker 2: made that. Syriann is a very good head coach. There's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more venom now in social media against Syrianna.
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  Speaker 2: I get that there. You know whatever, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: you just you can't make everybody happy. Despite five playoff appearance.
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  Speaker 2: You guy's an idiot, he's a dope. You should see
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  Speaker 2: our puppet comments. What's that he's a puppet?
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  Speaker 1: He's right, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So five years of playoffs too, superwl apearances one super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl ring. He stinks he's an idiot. Okay, that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: You're look at America, so whatever the fuck you want,
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  Speaker 2: use my language. But the guy's not an idiot. We
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  Speaker 2: we've had Look, we've had our issues. We've called him
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  Speaker 2: out with their offensive scheme. This is strictly based on
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  Speaker 2: what the tape looks like from the people we speak with.
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  Speaker 2: It's less of opinion. It's a fact when like twenty
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  Speaker 2: people you and I have spoken to say pretty much
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  Speaker 2: the same thing in their own way. You got to
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  Speaker 2: go with it, you go, this is not a very
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  Speaker 2: good scheme. Now, that's the other thing with Syria, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: with Daball, he would he would have to bring in
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  Speaker 2: his own thing. He did coach Hurts, so you think
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  Speaker 2: that would have worked. But I think with Dave Ball
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  Speaker 2: you said it best. A lot of questions if you
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  Speaker 2: if you're any offensive coordinator, especially Vetter, not a younger
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  Speaker 2: guys just looking for a job, you look at it
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  Speaker 2: A J. Brown, that's a big one. You don't have
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  Speaker 2: his you don't have his replacement.
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Goddard is two thirds of the past.
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  Speaker 2: He had a great year. I mean he's the thirty
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  Speaker 2: one next week. But you talk about that, Lane shouted
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  Speaker 2: what the hell happened to their offensive line? And from
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  Speaker 2: talking to people work with day Ball, he's an obsessive
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  Speaker 2: tape watcher m hm. So you would think like most
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure Kellen did the same thing. If you're
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  Speaker 2: going to take this job, you're not going into your
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  Speaker 2: if you have time. By the way, if you're not,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if if you're if you didn't just losing
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs last week and you didn't have come to
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  Speaker 2: watch tape, that's a different thing. But if you he
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  Speaker 2: was fired, what was he fired in October? November? Whatever
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  Speaker 2: the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So anyway, long story, sal.
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  Speaker 1: After that blown loss, I think to the U was
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  Speaker 1: the Broncos.
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  Speaker 2: Which long loss a you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I know you had a ton but what the big
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  Speaker 1: one right wasn't against the Broncos that they blew They
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  Speaker 1: one of these.
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  Speaker 2: So no, on your point, and I'm just extending it
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: and finishing it. That's a major issue. Now you go
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: to Tennessee. I know the owner, any Amy Adams trunk is,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: she's very impulsive talking to people work for her. But
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean they're not going to get three years
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: that Sala won't get at least three years with Michael Ganzi.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: You gotta win. But I mean, is Nick going to
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: be in trouble if they don't make the playoffs this year?
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the way, just the way the season underachieved
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: if they think it did. So we'll see what happens.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: But context is everything, man. There's not one just one
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: reason a person will take a job and not take
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: the job him or it's attractive to coach, but they're there.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: They put the full repressed on dable in Tennessee. Is
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: what we've understood for a couple weeks. So we'll see
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: By the way, a good a good agent I'm glad
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you brought this up. A good agent for a coach.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: There's nothing illegal or anti NFL rule or whatever about
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: an agent for a coach calling up an agent for
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: a player and saying, hey, your players on this team.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: It's kind of looking strange. What's your feeling You're gonna
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: be there next year or you're not? You know like that.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: That's just doing intel, you know, like that's what you
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and I do every single day of the week. So
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you just don't know what kind of answers are being
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: exchange and what kind of information people are getting. So
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: that's just all part of the process. But yeah, we
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: can we can go on from there. I just wanted
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: to point out some of the little things about the
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Eagles offense that we haven't discussed that that factor into
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the to the equation here. Matt Nagy was interviewed on
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Tuesday for the Wednesday.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Wednesday Understanding Through Zoom. Oh Okay, the way I look
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: at it this way is right, mm hmm. If you're
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: getting a second interview, it's probably gonna be in person,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: right if he gets one. Obviously they know him, he
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: knows Howie, he knows, probably the medical staff. He probably
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: knows some of the trainers and stuff you know, have
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: been there forever. So ook, it's a match. You know
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: where he's from, you know where he started his career. Yep,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: his thing is interesting. I'm gonna bring this story up.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I'ven't brought this up easily five years, but you and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I live this. I know.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It's just this. Is this the day they tried to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: sign him to a contract exactly?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: No, No, that's a funny story. No, but I'm talking
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: about you. I'm talking about the one that really is interesting.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen draft. We're working for the Fanatic. Oh yeah,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and you know you. You have me on you and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I hosted it coase is the draft coverage from Philly?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: And you asked me to give me all your intel.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, Evan Ingram, he's definitely going to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the first round. It's a little shaky, but I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: he's gonna go in the first round. He did, blah bla
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. I said t Whisky should go
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: by the end of the top ten. I don't know.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I was earlier that week. I was on the week before,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I was on NFL Live and I said.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: All right, that's right. We did the show together by
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah I did.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: We did. No, we did the gain. And I said
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to Bill Pauline, I said, I'm just telling you Bill,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: he's going to the top ten. And Bill blew a stack.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: He's like, that's ridiculous. He wouldn't get man to me
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: goes he's just not there yet. There's nothing in Trubisky's game.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I think he might have started. I felt I don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: have it in front of me, but maybe one year plus,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: which is not enough. The history of quarterbacks starting less
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: than like fifteen games, the success rate going back fifty
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: or six extremely low. And that was Bill's point. So
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you turned me. Did they make the trade with the Niners?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So what happened was they they they just went
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: up one. They gave up all this draft bounty to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: go from what like four to three or three to two,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and then it was over the Niners.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: And we kept saying, well, you said no, you said
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to something we were gonna break. We gotta go back on.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, I have no idea I have
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: who you could have put, Like I would say, the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Hurts pick in twenty twenty was a bigger surprise than
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: me because I couldn't I couldn't compete. I'm like, this
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. What like that? You know, it took me
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: like forty eight hours to calm down just to try
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to figure what the hell happened. But this one I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: turn to you, dude, I'm flum mixed. I have no idea,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Like this is ridiculous. Yeah, honestly, Like I couldn't find
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: anyone a really Tubisky to me was like Kevin Cobb
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: or like a second round quarterback. Like he he was
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: an athlete, above average, arms, nothing special, processing wasn't great.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: He's a guy who want to bring along slowly. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: then somehow, by the grace of God, they made the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: playoffs in twenty eighteen with Naggie in his first year.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how that's what got him Coach of the Year, right,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and then things regressed and you know, Mac gave a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: play call, took it back, couldn't figure it out. It
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: just they couldn't get not that anyone could to get
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Mitch to play at a competent qu like the first
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: year though, I was like, I can't believe it was
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: like maybe twenty four touchdowns and twelve picks, but you
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: saw some really good football. I'm like, wow, a lot
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: of people look wrong right now, but you got to good.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: It's only one year, right, that's the point.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that was crazy. I'm like, I kept saying
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the only reason he would trade from three to two
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: over the Niners, who weren't going to take a quarterback
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: they took Solomon Thomas that year was if you thought
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: another team was going to trade. Oh, the brown too,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And yeah, later came out to the Browns were like
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. I don't know if they were definitely
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: gonna do it, but either way, that was interesting. So yeah,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: so that's back to Nagy. He does go twelve and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: four in his first year and he wins NFC Coach
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: of the Year, but his the Eagles need a play caller,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like a proven play caller, and he himself called place
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: for two years, didn't do. He must not have loved
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: how he did. Then he gave it to Bill Laser,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator, in year three, then he took it back,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and then he gave it back to Bill in year
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: four when they were on justin fields. So I don't know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: it almost sounds like Nick Sirianni ish you know, like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I have play call on now, I'm just giving it back.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Brian Dable did that with Mike Kafka, so I get it. Familiarity.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He's coming from a great coaching tree. Obviously he did
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: have some success as a head coach early one year.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But again you're looking, you're looking for a proven play call.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You've made this point a thousand times, right, and it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it's fair. This offense doesn't just need a little tinkering
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: here and there. It needs a reset, a new vision,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a better scheme. And it's not that I doubt Matt
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Naggy can. Naggie can bring like a better schemer or
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid concept, but you also have to be able
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to apply it and coach it, and you'd like to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: have someone who's proven to be able to have done that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But again, you know, you also have to work with
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the pool that's available exactly.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: So there's you know, I look at some of the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: names out there that are out there actually available, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: they go, look, you can find words than anyone. That's
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the thing. You could you could dig in and go
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: well he was good here, and not hear what happened?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: You know, you always have to have context what happened. Yes,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that that's a big thing for me because I don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It's just you see the Twitter mob go after these
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: these coaches and they don't they have no contexts. Because
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: someone says something. We'll show a film clip, you see.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: This is terrible concept. What happens is it goes viral, right,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and then people start believing it. They don't know anything
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: about the personnel that the coach work with, if the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: if the quarterback couldn't process well, like, they don't want
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to hear about They don't want to learn football. They
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: just want to go buy what the Twitter mob says.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: They just go with that. That's not what we do here.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: We never have, never will we try to separate fact
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: from fiction. H You make a fair point, like Naggie
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Year one brought a lot of Anie Reid's concepts, his
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: version of it. He got Trubisky playing well, good coaching,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and then the offense agressed. He just couldn't get it
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, and it's Mitch Trubisky. No one's being
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: able to get it right with Mitch. That's you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: that's just the way it is. He was severely overdrafted
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and that that cost him his job. You just couldn't
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: get he just could not get him to play the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: right way. I give him credit for giving up to
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: play calling, but on your point, to move this along,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: they need somebody now. I love what he did the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: first year. Was it did the league figure it out?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Or is it just.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Trubisky just could not get the job that it was
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a combination.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: That's yeah. I mean then the poor guy had Field,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: who also is a quarterback that nobody else seemed to
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: got to play at a high level either. So I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: feel like though the wild card here is still Cliff Kingsbury,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: who's kind of out there and you're wondering what his
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: next move is going to be. We've detailed in the past,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the egos event interested in him, why it
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: didn't work out, But he could be, you know this
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: many years later, looking at a position differently, looking at
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the next job differently. But he is certainly if you're
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking for someone who you think
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: can really work with the current personnel and spice up
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the scheme. That's a good name. I mean, that's not
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: one of those like when you you you're right, if
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you go through like Zach Robinson and Bobby Slowick and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: some of these other got Mike Kafka, there's gonna be
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: an asterisk, right, there's gonna be a but I don't
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: know or but he's kind of struggled here or didn't
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: have it there. I feel like with Kingsbury the asterisk
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: might be can it? Can he everybody? But yeah, I.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Know Dan Quinn did not see eye eyes are understanding
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of that one, you know, looking into it. He did
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a really good job. I could not believe what he
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: got out of the run game. That was the stunning thing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how the hell with that? Those group, that
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: group of backs right, Ekler got hurt. He towards Achilles
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: very early. He went with committee and they were committed
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to it. He's the best name of the list. He's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: really good. Yeah. And the thing that Greg and I
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: talked about last week when we broke down all the coordinators,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: not all, we broke down like five guys, he was
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the one where you go he talk about evolving. He
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: came in with his the tight ends don't matter offense,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: they started matter a little bit now. Zach Ertz got
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the ball. Ben Sinnett is not. He's just they overdrafted him.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He just overdrafted. He hasn't done anything, and he probably won't.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It's two seasons unless he pulls off a Jordan Davis improvement.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I don't say it, you know, but Kingsbury is just
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: he just does a lot of cool things. And you
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: saw Jane Daniels just develop with him.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Screen game, baby, I would get excited if anybody's going
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to bring a screen game back to the Philadelphia.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Ye don't get me, I said Mike gils Show last
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: week at Football four game. Like the seven things that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: they got had I didn't. I put it in my
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: top three. It's probably number one. It's just that they
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the lowest screen rate in the NFL this past season.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: How the hell has that happened? I don't on don't
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: don't give me hurts this one. That's bullshit. Yeah, don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: get me hurts one. Check it down. That it's a
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: play call. That's that's like, you're right, that's a screen like,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: come on, man, Yeah, geez.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Well maybe if they actually add a true slot receiver.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: By the way, Johan Dotson is also a free agent.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: So if you don't have Brown and Dotson back and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: got her back, you're you're talking about four fifths of
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: your passing game that is not going to be back.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's very very interesting. All right, let's send it on
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: this Eagle signed a They brought back a guy they had,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Jahim Bell, the tight end they signed into a future deal.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: He was with the team for a little bit last year.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I'm I guess I'm just surprised because i mean, listen,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's making the team definitively, but I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: would have thought they'd start to focus on some blocking
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: tight ends to get their run game back. If you're
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: going to have a few guys on the practice squad
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: or competing for a third tight end job with E. J. Jenkins, right,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you wanted to see some blockers. But this is another
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: sort of undersized pass catching tight end.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He had an injury I think in high school
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: at an ACL then he Yeah, his numbers were okay
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in college but South Carolina for state. But he did
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: get drafted by the Patriots and twenty four.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he played a game, played a game or two
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: he played, he got on the field for them.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he just has really not done anything yet.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: But he's an undersized move tight end. So he's the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: guy that they're gonna put in their offseason program and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: go from there. But we that toight end possession is
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: so Barren Calculters also a free agent, So I mean
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: they got a lot of work to doing. Man, this
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: roster all of a sudden needs work.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he played fifty he was mostly special teams, but
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: he did have two catches for twenty yards his rookie year,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: playing fifteen games. But yeah, they they got work to do.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that once we get past this OC search, Adam,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: we are really going to have to dive in when
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: we do our roster review and our kind of preview
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of how this offense is going to look in twenty
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: six because it could look radically from a personnel standpoint,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: radically different if certain guys that we just talked about
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: aren't even if half of them aren't back. So that's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: interesting and I really look forward to getting And you
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you heard I'll end it on this. You heard what
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Hallie Roseman said the US conference that he said we
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: have a lot of homegrown offensive players under big contracts
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: because we drafted them and we signed them, and we're
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: happy about that. They're part of our success. But looking forward,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: we now have that same. He said, we now have
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it on defense. We got a lot of good, young, core,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: homegrown guys that are going to have to I think
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the word he said was we can't let them go.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And you know he's talking about he's talking about Jill
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and Carter and Jordan Davis and Quinna Mitchell and Cooper
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: dejan Right. Uh so those are guys that are gonna
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: have to get paid, and that means the offense is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: probably going to have to change a little bit. So
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: we'll sell the draft picks.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: They got a lot of well, you know, we'll get
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: we'll get into off season stuff soon. But how he's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: got a lot of draft picks, a lot of draft capital.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I know he's traded some away, you know last year. Yeah,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: but they've got a lot of They got a whole
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: depth issues. It's not going to be easy. But how
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: he's so resilient. It's what makes him great. It wasn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: always like that. I guess you learned from me mistakes
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and he correct them. But yeah, the guys relentless. I mean,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: it's just we'll see what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I think you made this point to me earlier wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be comical. I want to leave you with this is
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  Speaker 2: John Harmon now is in the division. He's pretty pretty
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  Speaker 2: damn good head coach. Yeah, and if I got Todd Mankins,
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  Speaker 2: is O see what she's going to be is we
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  Speaker 2: talked about a couple weeks ago, as long as you
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  Speaker 2: don't get a head coaching job, what if they got
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  Speaker 2: Sean McDermot as a decordinator. I love when you brought
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  Speaker 2: that up. I'm like, oh my god, wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you would think mc dermott will be
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  Speaker 1: able to get a head coaching job, but you never
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  Speaker 1: know sure. And if he doesn't, that would be a
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  Speaker 2: Should have him on his list. I mean, well, Sean,
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. And I know Brandon being done.
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  Speaker 2: Want to hear it. And Terry Bagoli on it. Want
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  Speaker 2: to hear it. They're not the most talented defense not
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  Speaker 2: He's talk to anyone who covers the league who really understands,
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  Speaker 2: or you talk to people work in the league, it's
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  Speaker 2: they've kind of our achieve great coaching by Sean in
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  Speaker 2: the scheme. He is good. He is. That could be
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  Speaker 2: if they get because Moncan's really good. If they get
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  Speaker 2: a good decordinator and they got they got to revamp
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  Speaker 2: their quarterback group. Yeah, man, with that address group in
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  Speaker 2: that front, all of a sudden, of course, the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: got to take another step. But you got a chance
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  Speaker 2: to be John's have a much They have a good
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  Speaker 2: chance to be much improved.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Coleman was found somewhere on a street
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  Speaker 1: corner in Buffalo, bus tracks on his back as he
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  Speaker 1: became like that was rough man, I was talking. I
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  Speaker 1: know that the kids got to grow up and do better,
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  Speaker 1: but like you protect your guys no matter what you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the the owner cannot do that for folks. If
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  Speaker 2: you didn't see it or didn't hear about it. Terry Bugold,
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  Speaker 2: who's a wonderful man, by the way, I have a
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  Speaker 2: ton of respect for him, But an owner should not
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  Speaker 2: be talking about who made the pick and saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: he just wanted he didn't want to do the right thing,
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  Speaker 2: so he drafted him for the for the uh, for
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  Speaker 2: the coaches.
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  Speaker 1: Right Coleman, especially in a negative light like that, right,
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  Speaker 1: how would you say.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, here's another one when Chip Kelly when he
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: abandoned Marcus Smith in terms of oh, I didn't make
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't. I didn't draft him. Why would
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  Speaker 2: you like? No? You? I know, I remember asking someone
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  Speaker 2: in their front office. Not only they ran it by him,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: they had to, hey, what are your thoughts? This is
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  Speaker 2: where we want to go. He said yes, m m see.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't have control. But you're not gonna Howie. One
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  Speaker 2: of the things he's also improved on, he he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: you're not any good. GM will not draft a player
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  Speaker 2: the coaches don't want you just don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the fact that Brandon be drafted a player that
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: was lower on their board because the players wanted them,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, excuse me, the coaches wanted them over someone
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: who's higher on it. That's just absurd. That's just And
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  Speaker 2: if it's one thing, if you did in the sixth round,
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  Speaker 2: second round, get out here.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I know it's rough, it's rough, but anyway, listen, Like
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I said last pod, I'll say it again this pod
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  Speaker 1: to end it. There's gonna be a lot more information
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