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Squid Game (S1) | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 10 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica. And this is ATC presents there.
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  Bunky Rambles for a couple of friends review Korean dramas,
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  except it is just me today. Rico did not watch the show that
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  we're going to talk about today. Welcome everyone.
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  To this very special episode of daebak.
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  He Rambles we are on Hiatus right now.
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  Season 2 is going to drop early 2022.
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  So be on the lookout for that. But there was a massive upheaval
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  in the world of kdrama with regards to a Netflix show that
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  has taken the World by storm and so me and my special guests,
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  today are going to talk through squid game.
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  Rico has a brother and his brother's name is Miguel and
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  Miguel. Is here with me today.
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  It's talk about squid game. Welcome Miguel.
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  Thanks very much for having me, especially for squid game.
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  Here we go. Yeah, this kind of came about
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  because I was starting squid game and just before I started
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  it you were texting me about squid game.
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  And so I was like, oh my God, Miguel's watching, squid game.
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  So, I got very excited. We really didn't talk about our,
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  our thoughts at all about the show, but we did.
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  Did happen to finish around the same time.
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  So I was like, oh perfect Miguel, do you want to come on
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  Dave Hawke and you were like yeah, let's do so.
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  I know like what is your history with kdrama and you know with
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  with me and and everything. So history with kdrama and
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  history with you are actually pretty intertwined.
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  I started watching kdrama back in 2000 and I'd say eight or
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  nine back one before the streaming before DramaFever
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  before. Flex, you know, go to the Korean
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  market and like try to find these loose DVDs and little
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  plasticine covers with bad subtitles but like I would pick
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  them up and I would just I would watch all of them for the
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  longest time. I didn't know anybody who
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  watched Korean dramas like at all like everyone watches Hmong
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  rather anime or this or that but then I met Jessica and I'm
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  remember making an off-the-cuff remark about this Korean show.
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  I was watching and you just like froze you're like, wait, you You
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  watch Korean. I was like, yeah, I watch a lot
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  of Korean dramas then more than now, but he for years I would
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  just watch these shows. You know, like this is digging
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  way back now but like coffee prince.
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  Yeah, yeah, super way back. Well, there's so many but there
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  was a lot and I watched a lot of those and I moved on to movies.
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  Then I moved on to Korean music, suffice it to say, I'm here and
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  there with Korean stuff all the time and I'm glad I Just because
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  for the longest time we would just like geek out about all
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  these new Korean shows. It's crazy that they, it's
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  exploded the way that it has. Oh my God, tell me about it.
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  It's insane. Like, when we were talking about
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  this years ago, we were the odd people out like nobody knew
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  about kdramas. Nobody was talking about kdramas
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  and it was like, uncool, like people around us would make fun
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  of us for consuming, like foreign entertainment and even
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  some See who would be, you know if somebody was willing.
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  Okay sure. That sounds really interesting.
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  Where can I watch it? Well, do you know the Korean
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  market on Pines? If you go to the back past the
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  little fridge with the coffees and you make a left and right
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  before the dehydrated fish, you're going to find a shelf of
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  moon. He's worried and they're like,
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  oh yeah, right impossible. Impossible watch, it's so much
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  easier to consume kdramas and Korean movies, and just general
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  entertainment today than it was so many years ago where you had
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  to like buy the DVDs and, and find it in the supermarket's, it
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  was just not. Accessible like it is today and
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  this this shoulder we're going to talk about in just a few
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  minutes is like the culmination of the streaming just being like
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  the perfect storm. This is the big payoff, it is
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  the big payoff coming together to show.
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  This is Korean, media is finally on the map and I do here for it
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  if not a little bit spurn but you know what?
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  Okay we'll get it to know. It feels like okay.
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  Okay, before we get started, if this is your first time
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  podcast. Okay.
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  We're going to talk about squid game.
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  Now, the my drama, listen ops's, do you want to give that to us,
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  Miguel? All right, yeah, sure my drama
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  list synopsis after a failed business venture.
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  The debt-ridden show, first, Jung ji Hoon lives his life,
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  gambling away, the money that he mooches off of his elderly
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  mother while failing to provide for her and his estranged
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  daughter. When his life finally It's Rock
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  Bottom, he receives an irresistible offer a promising.
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  Him forty five point. Six billion won prize in
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  exchange for winning traditional Korean children's games against
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  455 other players among them as his childhood friend true
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  sangwoo and commencing the games.
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  The participants soon, learn of the deadly consequences that
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  come with losing these games. And that's put to put it
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  lightly, I feel silly consequences, but come on.
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  This are In its entirety on September 17 2021.
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  It is a Netflix original show. It is only Nine episodes long
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  and it is written and directed by the same, dude.
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  Wang dong hyuk. This is his first drama series
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  ever. He is coming from the cinema
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  world, he wrote and directed Miss Granny from 2014 and
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  silenced from 2011, both great movies, I have never watched
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  silence but I have watched Miss Granny.
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  This granny. He's hysterical, definitely give
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  it a watch. So let's go through our cast
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  really fast. We have a jung-jae plays Song Ji
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  hoon and he's player 455. He's the main character in the
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  show. We have Puck Jesus plays Cho
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  seung-woo, and he is a childhood friend.
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  Also playing the squid game. We had you in plays Hangzhou
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  know, and he is a Cop, we'll leave it at that.
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  Yeah. And then we have a host of Side
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  characters, which I know that will go through and talk about.
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  So their real names are jung-ho Ian, all Young's do chapathi, a
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  non-pom Kim Joo. Jung Soo young, man, that was
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  tough. Awesome.
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  Sometimes a gone, you even gun and Kim young-ok, we can talk
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  really fast about these PPL. So young he jiong J.
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  Sorry is player 456 my bad. I said for 5555 earlier he has
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  been a Korean Cinema staple since 1994.
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  He's been in movies like ilmari, I say ilmari.
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  How do you say that? I think it's am I right?
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  Is it Lamar isn't in my mind it's amati but like, I don't
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  think that. Let me have it, right?
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  Anyway, I know it. Yeah, it might be Italian right
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  in my area like, but That I feel like it's not the PDI Chilean
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  Spanish. It sounds that I don't even
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  know. Okay, feel mot it from 2000.
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  Yeah, that's the movie that the lake house is based on.
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  So if you seen Keanu and Sandy in the lake house, ilmari is the
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  movie that that's based on. He's also been in the house made
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  from 2010. I sent you.
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  For this, for this movie, The housemaid and I sent you a
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  couple of screen still, it's good.
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  That was like, I'm being kind of dramatizes by this movie.
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  I wanted to put it behind me. It's an erotic movie, like,
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  almost like a thriller, but not really, it's, it's drawing.
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  I don't know if I recommend it to you guys but he is definitely
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  a stud in that movie. So he's got range.
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  So, he's got ringing, a boy has read, and he's also been In the
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  movie assassination from 2015, which is really excellent.
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  I would definitely recommend that movie to anybody.
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  Okay, Sue is his childhood friend in the show, he has been
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  on the TV show, Prison Playbook, and in movies, like time to hunt
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  from 2020 and Persona in 2019, which is kind of like a short
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  story, episodic, sort of movie. I can't even call it a movie
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  really, but it's like an ass. It's very weird.
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  And again, there it is an anthology.
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  That's the word I was looking for.
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  And it stars, I you both of those movies, you can watch on
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  Netflix. And then we have, I just, I
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  guess we should talk about. We had June because the cop
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  because he has kind of exploded out of the show.
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  Everyone is just so riled up by him because he's yeah, keep your
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  pants on people keep. It's not that serious, but he
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  was in, Romance is a bonus book and something in the rain, both
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  of those shows are available. Netflix.
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  So this show has taken the World by storm.
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  As we said before it is Netflix's biggest ever series
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  launched. It was number one on the
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  platform for weeks. It's been watched by two thirds
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  of all Netflix users. That's amounts to 144 million
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  subscribers. That have watched at least two
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  minutes of squid game. That's insane.
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  It's not, it was in one. There was a few days I was 90 or
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  was a number 1 in 90 countries. Number one in 90 countries and
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  something that really brought that to light was just the
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  process of getting it made. There's a story floating around
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  and I managed to look into it and it's like oh okay.
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  So it's real. The creator of the show wrote
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  this way back in 2009 like this was like done ages ago and he
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  shopped it around and shopped it around and nobody wanted it at
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  some point he hit financial situation so bad.
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  He even had to sell the laptop that he wrote.
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  The story on. It was like the it was basically
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  like, A Korean drama. And then a few years pass, you
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  know, Korean media gets more attention and look, it's number
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  one everywhere. Look at all these people, just
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  watching this Korean show and all the dogs.
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  Yeah, I know, we'll talk about that in a second.
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  Yeah, but that story reminds me of still Sylvester, Stallone and
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  Rocky because he wrote Rocky when he was like, dirt, poor and
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  really struggling and he had to sell his like beloved, dog, and
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  all this stuff. And then when he finally made
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  the move, He and Inked a deal for him to also star and he
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  started making money and he went to go buy his dog back.
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  It was like this crazy success story.
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  I don't know why. I remember that about the dog to
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  like, yeah, I need to get him duck, I do it's like, a first
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  thing. You do is get back.
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  The thing. You love this show.
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  I cannot stress to you guys. How many people have watched his
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  show? How it is now in the zeitgeist?
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  For a kdrama to be this prolific.
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  I mean, I'm proud. I feel very proud that like and
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  ecstatic that people are actually watching a kdrama and
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  they're putting their money where their mouth is too.
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  Because for Halloween. This, this statistic came out
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  with the Vans, they all wear plain white Vans in the show,
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  the sale of plain white, Vans worldwide increased over seven
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  thousand percent. White Vans for the first time in
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  ages were sold out. For one day, they were sold out.
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  Everybody's going to be wearing this for Halloween.
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  This is the, it's a whole, you can't take two steps in any
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  direction without seeing a meme about the show.
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  Like, it's everywhere. Like it's so it really resonated
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  with people. It struck a nerve in a good way,
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  like its massive. I want to know what you think.
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  Why do you think it did? So, well, I think there's a few
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  things that play, I think that the concept itself about playing
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  childhood games, but with deadly Stakes as fascinating for
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  anyone. If you tell us like, oh, we're
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  going to play tag. Okay cool.
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  But then you play tag in the stakes are.
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  Oh, you need to win or you're going to die.
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  I think that really catches a lot of people's attention.
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  Ian, there's a certain Underdog element going on.
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  There's a lot of people in bad financial situations in the
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  show, trying to overcome that and we get we get to peer at
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  different versions of the same story.
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  Not everybody's broke for the same reason.
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  They all have their motives, we all want to cheer on the person
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  who doesn't seem like they're getting a fair shake.
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  So I think there's a lot of themes here that are interesting
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  across so many cultures like childhood games and you know
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  don't die and don't. I had a chance to Like Against
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  All Odds, get rich and get out of every prom, your I think
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  that's something that really works with a lot of people.
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  Yeah, I think that people were surprised by the violence as
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  well, so which is pretty unusual for even a kdrama to have this
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  much more mmm-hmm. And for Western audience, she'll
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  give will talk about it. But for Western audience I think
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  that was probably the best idea. Yeah.
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  I think so we're living in a, you know, an HBO age where you
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  can watch anything you want and there's not really a cap on it.
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  A limit on what they can do in television shows that aren't on
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  cable and lamp shading doesn't seem to work with a lot of
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  people anymore. Like people don't want that old
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  trick where. For example, let's say someone
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  gets shot and they move away and they, you know, the camera moves
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  away only shows a shadow of someone being killed like we've
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  seen so much. Now people want a visceral look
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  That's what happened to this person so it definitely works.
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  Yeah, it worked for me, one last thing we'll talk about before we
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  get into our thoughts is the translation woes and the Ugly
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  dub that happened on this. So I didn't necessarily feel the
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  translation Badness when I was watching it because I have a
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  little bit more of a trained ear and was like filling in the
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  blanks, you know? With my own knowledge and of the
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  culture and stuff and things. Like when people say like hyung
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  and in the translation, it says her name.
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  I'm like, that's not. Yeah, that's nice.
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  You know, are like when it's not the meaning of that instead of
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  their name. That's right.
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  Exactly. So it was no.
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  So what did you think of the translation and the dub, which I
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  personally have not not seen the show tubbed the dub, so, For
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  context for listeners out there, I'm really, really big into like
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  Linguistics. I love different languages so if
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  there's ever a dub for something, I'm the person who
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  watches like the compilation of a Disney song in 40 different
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  language. Like I love to see that they do.
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  I love to see how they go about translating stuff.
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  So I sat there and I watched a quarter of the first episode in
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  every dub after I had already seen it, fully in Korean.
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  So I watched the first like 20 minutes and or first 15 minutes
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  in English and in French. And then Spanish and then so it
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  was great but it wasn't great because the englishdom the
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  English dub I think let me go with the translation first.
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  As far as translations go they did as they did a much better
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  job than what they could have done.
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  There's so many nuances with the language and the culture that
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  just aren't going to translate. The show is already working on
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  the assumption that you are Korean.
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  You know, what games they're playing, you know what it means.
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  If this Then that happens. So to translate everything, the
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  way that they did and somehow communicate everything for a
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  global audience is a massive undertaking.
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  There are some things unfortunately, like some poetic
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  phrases and stuff that are Lost in Translation.
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  But I feel like when you're translating something, this
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  complex, it's probably best to be a little more.
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  Utilitarian, instead of poetic the dub quality of the actors in
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  English, I thought were very poor.
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  Like I it was it was just, it wasn't distractingly bad and
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  we'll talk about distractingly bad because there's a whole
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  English thing that goes on in this show.
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  But we'll talk about that in the spoiler space.
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  The French dub, believe it or not, was really good.
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  The Spanish dub is really really good like they translate a lot
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  of like the poetic stuff that gets lost when moving it to
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  English but in general just watch the Korean on.
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  I just lost the connection. Just watch it sub like I
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  understand it's not for everyone but that's really going to be
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  the only way that you get the emotion, the passion, just watch
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  it. Yeah.
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  But they did a good job, a good job.
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  If you have to watch a dub it's fine.
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  And if you know if you don't know, Korean the subs, they
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  work. They do what they're supposed to
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  do. So right?
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  Okay. So with that being said, we've
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  come to the end of our our general Netflix success bit.
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  What did you think? Ink of squid game ago.
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  Overall, I liked it a lot like a lot.
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  A lot. Yeah.
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  Until the very end. Oh, the ending.
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  Yes. I I love the show from
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  beginning, literally unto until the ending, because then it
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  turned into this whole thing, are we in spoiler space now?
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  No, no. We are not that spoilers face,
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  okay, I'll announce it when we anyway, it was a nearly Perfect,
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  show. That's how I felt about it.
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  It was nearly perfect. And I still like it, I'll still
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  recommend it with disclaimers, but I it's a near-perfect show.
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  And I think with all the memes and all the culture and
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  everything look like it's nine episodes, it's an essential
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  watch officially like you have to watch it.
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  Hmm. But you know, I liked it very
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  much. That's all I liked it very much.
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  I liked it very much. Okay.
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  Choices were made. I also really liked the show.
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  I think that a lot of people were put off by the violence,
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  put off by the blood and gore and guts, and just general
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  queasiness of the subject matter, right?
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  But I think that it really works for me, I don't know why.
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  But my sensibilities, they don't necessarily lean toward Gore and
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  violence and all this stuff. But I seem to be really
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  comfortable with it and never find it didn't notice.
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  Never felt gratuitous to me. Did I never tracked out?
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  I was never like, oh no, that cross the line.
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  I was just like, okay, that's par for the course.
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  I know what I'm getting into I was soon as the first episode
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  where the first game necessarily gets going, then I'm like okay
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  I've strapped in like I'm ready. So I think if you have gotten
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  this far into the episode and you have not watched squid game
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  and that's not your bag then, sorry.
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  Don't watch it. Like I totally understand where
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  you're coming from, that's the reason.
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  Why Rico didn't watch it. He's like, no.
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  No, it doesn't interest me in the in the slightest.
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  That's not my, my bag. Yeah.
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  I mean, and I will say that it does.
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  If you're worried about violence, it's less, it's less
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  like saw violent, you know, it's less like Serbian film violent,
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  Texas, Chainsaw, Massacre violent.
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  It's not that kind of violent. This is violence with Stakes.
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  Like, I think that's why it feels so grounded like yeah, it
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  gets bloody, but nothing is Beyond the pale and nothing's
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  ever really. So if you know, if you're
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  worried that it's going to be really gratuitous over-the-top
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  violence. It's probably not going to be
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  like that either so but yeah, it does get gory.
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  Hmm, it does get gory. Blood is spilt and I totally
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  admire the overall theme of the show, which is class inequality
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  in South Korea. Hmm, this is a huge basically,
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  Uh, the thesis of the show, right?
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  And I appreciate that. This theme seems to be cropping
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  up more and more, you know, parasite, dealt with that as
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  well like class inequality. And actually, there was another
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  Netflix. This was actually a movie and it
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  was a Spaniard movie called the platform.
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  Yes. And I tell you watches the way.
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  Yeah, that one I felt that was To, that was a very gratuitous
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  movie. It was shot incredibly well,
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  that was that, was it shook me? Like, I had to like, take a
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  breather. I have to go on a walk or
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  something. After I watch a movie because it
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  was so much, I can't actually. So, something really terrible
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  happens in that movie and I was eating a rice ball full of sour
• 22:23
  plum which used to be one of my favorite foods?
• 22:27
  I haven't been able to eat at sense because every time I taste
• 22:31
  sour plum, I see the vision of a clip from the Platform.
• 22:35
  Like I'm scarred. Like that movie was like a lot.
• 22:38
  It was a little dead and I guess maybe cuz I've like worked up a
• 22:43
  tolerance to see this sort of thing.
• 22:45
  Like again squid game didn't feel like gratuitous or
• 22:50
  over-the-top necessarily to me. What were the best parts of the
• 22:54
  show for you? I'm gonna go ahead and agree
• 22:58
  with the theme. I think that not only it
• 23:01
  explores inequality, but it also explores like What does somebody
• 23:06
  who's gotten themself into a situation dessert?
• 23:10
  How much does society? Like how much is it us to for us
• 23:13
  to say, this person's life is Expendable?
• 23:16
  Because of what this person has done to themselves.
• 23:19
  They're worthless. I think that there's a very big
• 23:22
  question that's asked throughout the show of that.
• 23:24
  Like as you know, player start falling away.
• 23:28
  The question just keeps getting louder in the background, it's
• 23:30
  like okay, yeah, I gambled away my money.
• 23:33
  I did this. I I lost that.
• 23:35
  I neglected, this but I'm still human, do I deserve to fight to
• 23:39
  the death? Just so I can get a leg up and I
• 23:43
  found that really, that was really stirring.
• 23:47
  I really like the individual motives, right?
• 23:50
  The show did a very good job in. This is why it's not gratuitous,
• 23:54
  instead of just, here's his group of people all competing
• 23:57
  for this say, the way Battle Royale would do it.
• 24:02
  They took in Squid game and it's not I bet they take an episode
• 24:06
  to show multiple points of view. We get away from the protagonist
• 24:10
  and we spend a day in the life with all of these people in the
• 24:14
  financial situations, they're running into their own personal
• 24:17
  stakes and why they have to play this game.
• 24:20
  So it's a very humanized grounded show especially for
• 24:25
  something so violent. And so over the top I think they
• 24:27
  did a great job of connecting the whole motive and human
• 24:30
  condition of it all. I love that about the show.
• 24:33
  I Agree with you. Wholeheartedly?
• 24:36
  What is the price of a human life?
• 24:39
  Yeah. Why is it however much debt you
• 24:42
  owe is that you're, you know, the price of your, your head so
• 24:45
  to speak? Or is it more?
• 24:48
  Is it less because of your where you come from your background,
• 24:53
  your class so to speak. These are questions that the
• 24:57
  show does not explicitly asked. It's asking in the subtext.
• 25:02
  Hmm. And they do, I do.
• 25:04
  Found it through the whole thing.
• 25:05
  They all they all Wonder me, it's like yeah.
• 25:09
  Okay. And what were the worst parts of
• 25:12
  the show for you? The spoiler-free worst parts of
• 25:16
  the show for spoiler-free worst parts and them, you know what,
• 25:18
  we'll jump into spoilers right after your answer.
• 25:21
  All right? I think the worst part of the
• 25:24
  show It had uneven pacing. Hmm.
• 25:30
  Like there was times where it was a go, go go and you're all
• 25:33
  in and it's awesome and everything is great but I felt
• 25:37
  like there were a couple of episodes or a couple of parts in
• 25:40
  the show where it comes to almost a halt like it.
• 25:44
  And it's such a change in Pace and energy that it kind of threw
• 25:47
  me off. So, you know, that's one thing.
• 25:51
  But other than that, Nothing really.
• 25:55
  I didn't, I really didn't have many complaints about the show
• 25:58
  in general. Nothing?
• 26:00
  Really. I think that was the only thing
• 26:02
  just some uneven pacing. Okay, I can agree with someone.
• 26:05
  Even pacing. I can agree with maybe some
• 26:08
  English speech or speakers in the show not being like Oh that
• 26:14
  yeah well then yeah, yeah yeah. So those would be my My couple
• 26:24
  of nitpicks maybe no. I think the OST is pretty stand
• 26:29
  out, especially the main song from the that's in all of The
• 26:36
  Tick-Tock videos. Yeah, yeah, it's really
• 26:41
  memorable. So, that's a positive for me.
• 26:43
  I don't know if I can forgive them for using my favorite Waltz
• 26:48
  in the show as well. Blue Danube.
• 26:51
  That was, that was pretty rough. I was It's going to be PTSD
• 26:55
  whenever that comes up now. Yeah, I was kind of upset that
• 26:57
  they use that particular Waltz in the show but it's classical
• 27:01
  music. I mean, it's fair game.
• 27:03
  All right, so I think we've given our general thoughts and a
• 27:07
  couple of knit picks for the show but I know that you're
• 27:10
  chomping at the bit to talk spoilers for the show.
• 27:12
  So we're going to talk spoilers right after this.
• 27:23
  You want to come in? All right, so we're on the other
• 27:25
  side of spoilers. So if you haven't watched squid
• 27:28
  game, you're about to be spoiled FYI.
• 27:31
  Okay, where do you want to start?
• 27:34
  We go. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:42
  That we could probably talk through the Game's real fast.
• 27:46
  So, the first game is the red light, green light, or green
• 27:50
  light, red light. However, you want to talk about
• 27:52
  it. That's really matter that's like
• 27:55
  the basic concept of the game, right?
• 27:58
  Yeah. Freeze.
• 27:59
  When I turn around, run one. I'm turned away.
• 28:02
  Exactly, exactly. So, how did you feel about that?
• 28:06
  It was in the very first episode.
• 28:09
  So I saw all of the memes surrounding it.
• 28:12
  Yeah. But I never saw how violent that
• 28:15
  was going to be and I'm not used to seeing that in Korean dramas
• 28:20
  in general. Like I'll see you in like, in a
• 28:21
  movie here there, of course. But in a Rama and not at all.
• 28:25
  So once the first guy just gets shot, I'm like, oh shit.
• 28:30
  Like this is this is going to be like this is real.
• 28:33
  Now, this is real. Then the second time, you know,
• 28:37
  another person get shot, then they all Scramble for the door
• 28:39
  and it's just that no mercy. Like, ballast of just being
• 28:43
  shot, it's it was really jarring but it really cemented the
• 28:49
  stakes like this show is not going to screw around and I love
• 28:54
  that. Even the even the voiceover that
• 28:56
  gives the rules for the games. It's like to repeat rules of the
• 28:59
  game are, and everyone's like oh no, I loved it.
• 29:03
  It was a killer. Wow!
• 29:06
  It was a killer entrance to the show, Absolutely intended.
• 29:09
  It has that whole swing jazz slow motion Fly Me to the Moon
• 29:14
  bit going. Yeah.
• 29:16
  Oh and it did a great job of establishing the character of
• 29:20
  each person who's playing. Absolutely, I think that was The
• 29:23
  main goal of the first episode in that first game is to
• 29:26
  obviously weed out the non main players and introduce the main
• 29:34
  characters for us in an easier high-stakes way things.
• 29:41
  I did like that they were playing in a school field and
• 29:43
  this is something that I feel like Western audience audiences
• 29:46
  might not get is that they're playing in a school field that's
• 29:50
  the set or whatever that they're on that Arena.
• 29:54
  Is a school field and do you want to talk about the
• 30:00
  significance of it being children's games?
• 30:03
  I do. But I also wanted to point out
• 30:05
  something that might have gotten lost.
• 30:07
  Oh yeah. What's your thing?
• 30:09
  Yeah. Something that blew my mind and
• 30:11
  I believe, I forgot, I believe is the protagonist who sang
• 30:15
  iPlayer, four, five, six. One of the characters was on
• 30:17
  Jimmy Fallon and they mentioned the thing about that.
• 30:20
  Little girl, who is playing red light, green light, that big
• 30:23
  creepy P. Statue that is a character that
• 30:26
  most Korean people are familiar with.
• 30:28
  Like that is a character that's in their version of the.
• 30:32
  I know what we have it in Spanish, it's called luck idea,
• 30:35
  van Antigua. I think Koreans have something
• 30:37
  similar, it's like a kind of like a, you know what, the best
• 30:40
  analog for that would be like Dick and Jane like it's
• 30:44
  characters that commonplace that you see, when you're really
• 30:47
  little learning how to read and stuff.
• 30:48
  So I think that just adds another terrifying element, it's
• 30:51
  just like if a giant Cat in the Hat, wasn't The field and just
• 30:55
  turns around and you all die of that.
• 30:59
  But yeah, Cat in the Hat. Can you imagine or green eggs
• 31:04
  and ham Sam? I Am is staying at something.
• 31:06
  I can't imagine it. Okay.
• 31:11
  So I really appreciated the fact that they were playing
• 31:15
  children's games, it was a bastardization of Innocence, it
• 31:20
  was a loss of Innocence, it was a redefining of your Formative
• 31:25
  childhood years into something. That's very Sinister and, you
• 31:30
  know, deadly and I appreciate that juxtaposition that
• 31:34
  something as simple as a child game is Could kill you.
• 31:41
  Yeah, and it's and there's a subjects to it.
• 31:44
  It goes back to the whole idea of like what mistakes do you
• 31:47
  make in life and at the end of the day, who decides what your
• 31:51
  punishment is for that? And how long do you have to be a
• 31:54
  slave to that? So these are people who are
• 31:57
  perceived by people in the upper echelon.
• 31:59
  Oh you're getting into debt. You know, you've lost the pot,
• 32:02
  you're out to lunch. Like you don't know how to
• 32:04
  manage your money. You act like a child.
• 32:06
  So we're going to treat you like a child with adults takes And
• 32:09
  it's terrifying. I I feel like you touched on
• 32:13
  something about debt and the way that it is in Korea and
• 32:18
  especially portrayed in entertainment, which is how we
• 32:21
  understand Korea through this lens of we're seeing it through
• 32:25
  movies TV music, right? We've never been to Korea.
• 32:29
  We are non-korean and so in the context of these shows and
• 32:34
  stuff, the people that are debt-ridden are extreme burden.
• 32:39
  Ian's on those around them on their family, on their friends.
• 32:43
  And that's not something that we necessarily feel here in the
• 32:48
  west. And in the US that when someone
• 32:50
  has debt, it's almost so commonplace for every person to
• 32:55
  be in debt to have, you know, thousands of dollars hundreds of
• 33:00
  thousands of dollars. If you talking about student
• 33:02
  loans, especially, you know, it's not something it's a joke
• 33:07
  at this point. It's immediately But yeah, then
• 33:10
  I have my student loan. Exactly.
• 33:12
  No, it's a joke suspected but in Korea.
• 33:16
  It seems like the way that these people get in debt is super
• 33:21
  different than how us As Americans get in debt because
• 33:25
  what they're doing is going through skeezy, private lenders,
• 33:29
  not the banks, not, you know, the government or anything and
• 33:34
  they're getting in debt over their head upside down.
• 33:39
  And the only way that they can pay it back is through these
• 33:43
  blood contracts where they can take body parts from them, they
• 33:48
  can come into their homes and repossess all of their
• 33:51
  furniture, all of their belongings their cars, they can
• 33:55
  harass them in the street, and go after their family, their
• 33:59
  children, to pay off the debt. It's really a problem.
• 34:04
  You know, it's not like you're about that because, you know,
• 34:07
  here in the states we have kind of an analog for When but it's
• 34:10
  also treated as a joke. You know, like, oh the mobs
• 34:12
  gonna get here. The loan rights big time.
• 34:14
  He's gonna break your legs. Yeah.
• 34:16
  And again, this like you said, this is just my understanding of
• 34:19
  it. This is something that's so
• 34:21
  commonplace. Like they've exhausted the bank
• 34:25
  as alone as even an option. Yeah, so there was Orting to
• 34:28
  this. So, here in the states we have a
• 34:30
  lot of laws that go against predatory lending practices it
• 34:35
  no matter how much debt and stuff we get into.
• 34:37
  There's always an opportunity to kind And of slip out, if things
• 34:41
  get to a point where they're more or less inhumane.
• 34:43
  Yeah, I don't really see any kind of reflection on that.
• 34:45
  And there's a shame element that they have that.
• 34:48
  We don't hear you buy a 1200 dollar iPhone that you can't
• 34:51
  afford, but people are like, hey, at least you got an iPhone
• 34:54
  and that's right. That's you're paying it off over
• 34:56
  there. It's like you're a shame to your
• 34:58
  family, to your community, to your friends, you don't deserve
• 35:02
  to be outside. Like it's this real burden and
• 35:05
  it's jarring. It's jarring and they are
• 35:08
  social. I is to those around them.
• 35:11
  They are looked down upon, and this is just because they're in
• 35:15
  debt, they also come from low class.
• 35:19
  They already come from no money. They're not upper-echelon,
• 35:22
  they're not child walls or whatever you want to call them.
• 35:26
  They're not heirs to conglomerates in the Korea,
• 35:29
  which is a lot of K Trauma Center on the tribals.
• 35:34
  So this is, you know, parasite territory so to speak.
• 35:39
  Eek these are people living mooching off others and trying
• 35:44
  to to just make it day by day. Yeah.
• 35:48
  They're just trying to get a leg up and to do pretty average
• 35:51
  stuff. I think that's the more alarming
• 35:54
  part like there's a couple of exceptions.
• 35:56
  Of course one of the primary characters she's you know, a
• 36:00
  North Korean Defector yeah who's trying to bring her family over.
• 36:04
  So that's one of the more extraordinary situations that we
• 36:07
  have where Money is you eating? But yeah.
• 36:11
  True. Everyone likes is pretty mundane
• 36:12
  debt. Exactly.
• 36:14
  She is definitely a little bit different and she's not only
• 36:16
  different because of her character coming from the north
• 36:19
  and being basically an outcast because she is North Korean but
• 36:25
  this actors Jung Soo young. This is her only action credit.
• 36:30
  I'm impressed identity is she was a model before this and this
• 36:34
  is her big break. And what a hell of a break
• 36:38
  because I think she's not the number one, followed Korean.
• 36:45
  On Instagram, I it wouldn't surprise me.
• 36:50
  There's a lot of guys who are like really and it's partially a
• 36:53
  mean, but so many people are like simpering her so hard.
• 36:55
  They're just like they also it's her turn like shakes her.
• 37:00
  This is what this character to she did, I think she she was
• 37:04
  such a strong character in resilient and badass and that's
• 37:10
  something that we don't necessarily see in kdramas.
• 37:14
  We're like Like a girl is willing to like shank a dude.
• 37:18
  Yeah, and she had this kind of stoicism about her where she was
• 37:22
  like she understood the gravity of every situation.
• 37:25
  We see her trying to take care of her brother.
• 37:27
  So she's more than just a one-dimensional, right?
• 37:30
  Pouty sultry girl, like a lot of these kdramas do.
• 37:34
  She's just here like okay I know the stakes, I need to get it
• 37:38
  like when she throws the pot of hot coffee and that dude's face.
• 37:42
  Oh yeah. She's like cross me again.
• 37:44
  I was like, I love it. There's like a ferocity to her
• 37:49
  and there's a there's definitely a ferocity to a few of these
• 37:51
  characters but her, especially I think that struck a chord with
• 37:55
  the audience and that's part of the reason why other than she's
• 37:58
  beautiful. But that definitely struck a
• 38:00
  chord with his yeah, that people really like to see women with
• 38:06
  agency and she definitely was full of agency the agency.
• 38:12
  She's trying to she's She's her own person, she's sad.
• 38:17
  Also trying to like she's sad. She's trying to help her family,
• 38:20
  which is massive. You know, these people.
• 38:23
  Yeah. Not even just in North Korea.
• 38:25
  Like there's there's North and South Korean relations like you
• 38:28
  know there's people all over the world who pay people to bring
• 38:31
  people to a country to have a better life.
• 38:33
  I think that that resonates with a lot of people, this girl's
• 38:36
  just trying to get a better future for her and her family
• 38:40
  and I think a lot of people can relate to that and it was played
• 38:43
  what I loved about it was Was played in a non hysterical way.
• 38:48
  Like it wasn't like the feisty Underdog.
• 38:52
  Who's gonna like no? She's like, no.
• 38:54
  I got shit to do like, yeah. Like I need to make this where I
• 38:57
  love that about her. Yeah, she wasn't sure I was very
• 39:00
  close to do. You want to talk about the
• 39:05
  scary? I do?
• 39:07
  Because I hate to say it, she's the other side of this coin.
• 39:11
  Hmm, because I gotta be on. I love her.
• 39:14
  I love her. She's horrible, but I love her.
• 39:19
  What was her name? Kim.
• 39:21
  Kim Johan. The course woman played by hon
• 39:24
  media. Oh no, it's reverse.
• 39:26
  So the character's name is Han menial and she's played by Kim
• 39:31
  Joon Young. She was like the pick me to end
• 39:35
  all pygmies, like she was like oh there's a dude who looks
• 39:40
  strong. Let's go over there.
• 39:43
  She was loud. She was boisterous and I think
• 39:46
  in a very roundabout way I might be reading too much into it but
• 39:50
  I think that she was set up to be the other side of the coin of
• 39:53
  this other girl I think she's your very she's kind of like a
• 39:56
  parody of your very common loud feisty kdrama girl you know,
• 40:02
  like He's very obnoxious, she's very loud.
• 40:05
  But even with all that, there's a kind of charm there going.
• 40:08
  You don't know why you're going to follow her narrative but
• 40:11
  she's like she's the Loose Cannon and I like that, it's
• 40:14
  great. Yeah, there's a couple of so in
• 40:17
  my own movie watching in TV watching Whenever there is a
• 40:21
  story that you can kind of figure out the broad Strokes of
• 40:25
  any story, right? Yeah.
• 40:27
  There's a couple of characters that they throw in as wild
• 40:30
  cards, right? I call them wild cards.
• 40:32
  I thought she was Wild card. I thought the undercover cop was
• 40:36
  the main wild card and then I didn't necessarily call them a
• 40:40
  wild card, but I called that the old man was going to be the
• 40:45
  Puppet Master. Oh yeah, saw it coming so I can
• 40:49
  I put together a episode right away.
• 40:53
  You texted me, you're like I had just finished it and you're
• 40:57
  like, hmm, this old guy seems a bit suspicious to me.
• 41:00
  I'm like, ah, she's already cracked it like that.
• 41:04
  The first of all. So we just talked about two
• 41:07
  characters we can talk about the old man now real fast.
• 41:10
  But the man the this be a whole like as soon as I saw his number
• 41:15
  that he's number 1001, I was like, forget it.
• 41:18
  Yeah, that's it. He's super size and then he was
• 41:20
  only too eager in episode one to start running again.
• 41:24
  While everyone else was still shocked at the Bloodshed during
• 41:27
  the the red light green light game he was completely unpaid
• 41:31
  dementia angle but I'm like that doesn't that doesn't track.
• 41:34
  It only came in during that episode, the gombu episode, the
• 41:40
  marbles with the marbles that was when he was played up the
• 41:44
  dementia. I would say that's the best
• 41:47
  episode to take advantage of an old man and I was like he'll
• 41:51
  Hane it out. Yeah, I think that's what would
• 41:55
  you say is your favorite episode / game?
• 41:57
  Because mine is the gamble. The marbles one.
• 42:02
  Um, they're also good, but I'm going to have to go with the
• 42:07
  want the marbles to. It wasn't my favorite episode
• 42:09
  like in general, but I think it worked as, you know, I think it
• 42:13
  might be because I love the second episode.
• 42:15
  Where they're all outside and they get all the Back stories of
• 42:18
  all these characters. And I feel like the episode of
• 42:20
  the marbles was like the culmination of that, like here
• 42:23
  comes everybody's personality to do them in order to help them.
• 42:27
  As best as it can, everyone's making these decisions, they
• 42:30
  didn't think they were going to make everybody's be put in the
• 42:33
  position like this is real. Now like we got to get out of
• 42:35
  here. So the marble game I loved it.
• 42:38
  It was also like the saddest episode.
• 42:41
  It was show. It was it was a like you said, a
• 42:44
  culmination. In it was the deepest cut.
• 42:47
  I think that they Bamboozled the audience just as much as the
• 42:51
  players into thinking that they're going to play the game
• 42:55
  as a pair. Yeah.
• 42:57
  Not against each other. Yeah.
• 42:59
  It was going to be like oh two are going to come out at this
• 43:02
  and write it was going to be a group group project so to speak.
• 43:06
  And 1-800 you thought it was not the case they had to.
• 43:14
  I can't I can't Ali is probably he got done.
• 43:22
  So dirty, the worst ending to a character.
• 43:25
  I think was his his breaking. It was heartbreaking
• 43:29
  heartbreaking because you saw the evolution of his
• 43:32
  relationship with what's-his-name Tell Jon Cho
• 43:36
  seung-woo which is a childhood friend, the embezzler the white
• 43:41
  Colour Thief. Hmm which again that's another
• 43:45
  Thing that we can talk about is that he's a white Colour Thief
• 43:48
  versus the other guy. It's like he probably feels a
• 43:50
  little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:53
  But Ali is actually really unique.
• 43:58
  He's representing an entire culture of people that exist in
• 44:05
  Korea. You know, these workers Daniel
• 44:07
  people who just work and his boss hasn't paid him for three
• 44:11
  or four or five months. Yeah.
• 44:13
  And like, It's tragic because it's like it really that's a
• 44:18
  kind of diversity and a kind of diversity and storytelling that
• 44:22
  you don't get with Korean dramas, not all like at all.
• 44:26
  So to see a Pakistani character with his own steaks living, in a
• 44:31
  shipping container with his wife and his kid, which I found that
• 44:35
  interesting because after he smashed his bosses fingers and
• 44:38
  that like press machine, he got enough money that he could have
• 44:41
  just dipped right? Like, I don't know, I don't
• 44:43
  know. I Was like a lot of money.
• 44:46
  I gotta tell you, you took up an envelope and just dipped, but
• 44:49
  that was when the boss is hand, got like ripped to shreds.
• 44:52
  That was the only time in the whole show that I was like,
• 44:55
  haha. Oh my God, I mean to, I didn't
• 44:58
  think I was like, yeah, yeah, it was like, what's going on?
• 45:01
  I'm Liana the fingers, the fingers are gone.
• 45:05
  So that was they lingered on that one?
• 45:07
  That was, that was a, maybe that was the gratuitous one, but you
• 45:10
  know what the effect was worth it, it was worth it.
• 45:14
  I I don't fault it for being shocking.
• 45:18
  Yea, but, yeah, I'll Leah is fantastic.
• 45:21
  I love the fact that they have this Indian actor who's been
• 45:24
  playing bit Parts in kdramas for the past few years, comment and
• 45:27
  actually steal the show. Like, he is so compelling as a
• 45:33
  character. You feel for him, you want him
• 45:35
  to make it just as much as kind. Like, he's so kind, he saves our
• 45:40
  main dude, in the first game, he's down.
• 45:45
  Like band together to like, oh, yeah, let's do this.
• 45:48
  He shows her spec through honorifics, he's willing out.
• 45:51
  Hey, back anyone, who he thought, Odom, I was just like
• 45:54
  when and then my heart was wrong.
• 45:57
  As I didn't know, I try to shut my brain off as much as
• 46:00
  possible, so that it could really land the impact.
• 46:02
  And I'm like, it didn't click in my head, whatever he put, I
• 46:06
  thought maybe the marbles that he had in his pouch was going to
• 46:10
  be less than, you know, maybe the other guys stole them.
• 46:15
  Majority of the marbles and he was going to lose on a
• 46:17
  technicality. But the fact that he switched it
• 46:20
  out with stones after he's walking around watching all
• 46:24
  these people get killed with the hope that he's like oh it's
• 46:27
  going to be fine because I just got to find another player like
• 46:31
  that was. I was gutted.
• 46:33
  That was real. Yeah.
• 46:34
  Cho seung-woo was Absolutely cruel to ruthless ruthless to do
• 46:42
  that to him after they had established this Brotherhood.
• 46:46
  He was calling him hyung throughout the show not his name
• 46:50
  like the subtitles would have you think, you know, hyung is
• 46:53
  like a term of endearment. It's implying a closeness that
• 46:57
  they're brothers because hyung little literally means brother.
• 47:00
  And he turns on him, he uses this manipulative I mean, he's
• 47:08
  been manipulative throughout the whole show but the clue of it
• 47:11
  with the Dow gonna let dog gonna do what shape to choose because
• 47:15
  he had an idea of what the game might be.
• 47:18
  Yes. And here with the got he got the
• 47:19
  easiest shape just in case he was right and he let even 456 he
• 47:25
  let him go get the umbrella. Yeah can you imagine what shape
• 47:30
  would you have? Chosen not knowing the context
• 47:32
  of this game? I would have chosen the umbrella
• 47:34
  and I would have been dead because I love umbrellas.
• 47:37
  Neurotic on taxation. Yeah, I think it would have been
• 47:40
  umbrella or star. Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have
• 47:44
  chose the circle or the triangle The truth.
• 47:47
  Like where's the fun in that? Yeah I want to do the umbrella
• 47:51
  umbrella or star. Yeah we well we would have died.
• 47:57
  I just couldn't sleep. Yeah, it was awful but the Ali
• 48:04
  death. I think struck struck me the
• 48:06
  most. Yeah.
• 48:08
  It was just and then he calls out here long before he's like
• 48:11
  young and then he gets shot. It's just they did us the favor
• 48:15
  of not showing him like Get shot shot.
• 48:18
  They did ya like the? It was actually pretty packed
• 48:21
  for the audience. Yes.
• 48:23
  And I thought that when they didn't show the old man getting
• 48:28
  shot either, where it was only a lie and only players are one
• 48:34
  that didn't get a full face shot on screen and that you could
• 48:41
  read into it as much as you want.
• 48:43
  I think that he's just as important as players are one who
• 48:47
  turns out to be a major influence on the entire games,
• 48:52
  which is nice to that reveal because that that's going to
• 48:55
  deserve its own thing. Yeah, we'll burn.
• 48:58
  It was the marble game like your favorite game.
• 49:00
  The Mario game was my favorite because it had the most tension.
• 49:03
  In to it, to me the red light. Green light was almost like
• 49:08
  Yeah, I know who's going to make it out.
• 49:10
  It's a tutorial thing. Like the sugar cookie thou gonna
• 49:14
  again I was like I know who's going to make it out.
• 49:18
  And the tug-of-war again you know who's going to make it out?
• 49:23
  What about the glass platforms? That one again, I was like, I
• 49:27
  has to be, it has to be sung, Chi Hoon.
• 49:31
  It has to be Cho seung-woo, the child or friend, the
• 49:35
  manipulative asshole, who killed Ali and it was either going to
• 49:39
  be one of the girls. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:45
  You know your course I'd be Neo pick, meager off street, smart
• 49:50
  lady, but that ahjumma or it was going to be Kang savioke, the
• 49:57
  North Korean, there was really no, how great was it when they
• 50:01
  get back from the marble game and how many I was just sitting
• 50:05
  there like, hey, that's a great again are all shell-shocked.
• 50:11
  That's literally its Fair, it's fair.
• 50:13
  We're all equals here. So if I don't have a partner, I
• 50:16
  can't play. That's literally the definition
• 50:18
  of a wild card to me, is that they take her off the board, but
• 50:23
  she's still on the board. Yeah, she's still there and
• 50:26
  she's looking at his name the thug, the his oh Jong Ducks, who
• 50:35
  John Luke's face tattoo man, there, their whole relationship
• 50:40
  was A ride, a roller coaster. How was that was wild?
• 50:46
  That's a show in itself. Oh, yeah.
• 50:49
  And I love that like, I loved their Dynamic together because
• 50:53
  he thought that he was just gonna get over on her.
• 50:56
  Like, he's gotten over on everything else and he finally
• 50:58
  met his match. And it wasn't the way he was
• 51:00
  expecting. Yeah, I think he's going to
• 51:03
  bully everybody. And it's like, no hits this.
• 51:05
  Wild card check who's going to bring you down?
• 51:08
  Exactly. I appreciated that they planted
• 51:10
  that seed when You betrayed her the first time she was like,
• 51:14
  okay, fine, but I'm gonna kill you before.
• 51:16
  This thing is over, the game is not going to kill you.
• 51:20
  I am gonna kill you and I was like, yes, bitch, preach it,
• 51:24
  speak it into existence, and that's exactly what happened.
• 51:28
  You know, there, there's some things that people say in a show
• 51:32
  and I'm like that's never going to happen.
• 51:33
  Doesn't usually when somebody says something like that you're
• 51:36
  waiting for the moment. Yeah.
• 51:39
  You're ready for it to happen and you.
• 51:41
  Your, but it comes in the way you least expect.
• 51:44
  I think, what I liked about her is she kept her word, but it
• 51:48
  also speaks to why she's up there.
• 51:49
  She's in my top three, like four characters, because she was so
• 51:53
  sure of herself, even until the end, she's like, okay, I'm not
• 51:57
  going to win this, but but I know who I am and I'm taking you
• 52:05
  with me and I'm gonna die on my own terms and that was that like
• 52:10
  that was, that was really cool. Cool.
• 52:12
  I love that. So we haven't talked about the
• 52:16
  cop, the undercover cop. Oh, yeah.
• 52:19
  Because he's the main wild-card, you kind of expected him to
• 52:24
  bring it down from the inside or something.
• 52:28
  Never Never Happened, never happened.
• 52:32
  He doesn't bring it down from the inside.
• 52:34
  He's trying to find his missing brother.
• 52:37
  He Is super responsible, was that for you?
• 52:42
  Oh, that was very predictable. Those very predictable, right?
• 52:44
  Like, that's a simple fact that his, but they were like his
• 52:46
  brothers gone missing, and he's not on the roster of this season
• 52:52
  squid game players and he hasn't died.
• 52:56
  So, I was like, okay, so he's in on it and it must be something.
• 53:01
  Yes, I was like, it has to be someone.
• 53:03
  We haven't seen their face yet, so, and there's only so many
• 53:07
  people. All that have enough clout
• 53:10
  within the show for them to be like that's the brother, that's
• 53:14
  the surprise, right? Yeah.
• 53:16
  And so it was very predictable to me.
• 53:20
  That it was the Black Mask. Dude, the front man who is
• 53:26
  played by evil Moon held well, like, oh my God.
• 53:33
  He's done. Masquerade, memories of the
• 53:36
  sword. Those are a couple of his
• 53:38
  movies. I know him from Iris.
• 53:39
  Do you remember recommending Iris to me?
• 53:42
  I remember back in the day. This guy a I remember.
• 53:46
  And that's one of the only drama that went on to have how many
• 53:48
  spin-offs like Jenna had a movie.
• 53:50
  Yeah it's insane. Our house.
• 53:53
  I know and he's also an another Netflix show.
• 53:56
  A Netflix original mr. Sunshine from 2018 so it's
• 54:00
  almost like Netflix is drawing from like its own pool of kdrama
• 54:05
  actors who have Richard and other Netflix shows Which is
• 54:09
  common for Netflix Netflix likes to push forward like the same
• 54:12
  rights over. And it's what's that guy doing?
• 54:15
  Let's go get him. Yeah, so even then is a great
• 54:19
  pole, a great face to have underneath the black mask.
• 54:23
  And again it's not really a surprise to me wasn't a surprise
• 54:27
  to you, but I'm sure people were very happy to see Evelyn.
• 54:33
  Did you expect him to shoot his brother John?
• 54:35
  Yes. Yeah, you did expect him to kill
• 54:37
  his brother and Fully he's not done.
• 54:40
  That's what I think do. So look, this is where I kind of
• 54:46
  get into the problems with the show, right?
• 54:48
  Because everything was going great.
• 54:50
  It was like an amazing mix of like, people are going to look
• 54:53
  at this and they're going to be fascinated by Korean culture.
• 54:55
  It's like, wow, they have red light green light.
• 54:57
  Wow! What is this dalgona thing?
• 54:59
  I love it. When a show can really present a
• 55:02
  different culture in a way where people are gonna be like, oh,
• 55:04
  shit, we're not that different and the things that are
• 55:07
  different are fascinating. And let's see what that's about.
• 55:11
  Now when you've been watching kdramas, as long as we have,
• 55:16
  that kind of like optimism is there, but it's on a different
• 55:19
  shelf, because when we get to the last two episodes, this show
• 55:23
  starts falling into the common trappings of the average kdrama,
• 55:28
  the same way parasite does near the end of the movie.
• 55:31
  Also and it's just like oh no no no no no.
• 55:36
  And so when the big reveal happens, I'm like, okay cool.
• 55:39
  But if he doesn't shoot this cop in the head We're getting a
• 55:44
  second season, right? That's all this is.
• 55:47
  So he shoots him in the arm and he falls into the water.
• 55:50
  We don't see him. That man is still alive.
• 55:53
  He's gonna be fine. He's fine.
• 55:56
  Like, and I don't like, I wish that there would have been more
• 56:01
  of a build-up because I get the, he was looking for his brother,
• 56:04
  but I felt like the cop was going to do something bigger, I
• 56:07
  guess, but I guess he didn't have the time but I guess this
• 56:10
  sets up the stakes for another season like okay.
• 56:13
  I gotta take my brother down with my Ronald McDonald 456
• 56:23
  player. What was the red hair?
• 56:26
  What was the? Oh my God.
• 56:28
  Okay, we're jumping all the way to the end.
• 56:29
  Hold on. So he obviously we don't think
• 56:32
  that when, you know the undercover cop played by we, we
• 56:36
  had you and is dead. He's gonna come back as a
• 56:39
  wild-card for season two. We obviously feel like Netflix
• 56:43
  would Stupid. If they didn't do a season 2 and
• 56:45
  we know Netflix, they're going to do is use it to they're
• 56:48
  gonna. Um, did you expect that the
• 56:50
  brother was a? Did you expect that the older
• 56:53
  brother was a 2015 Winter? No, I was expecting me because
• 57:00
  the rules. I think that's what I liked
• 57:02
  about the show. Is that we get a really
• 57:04
  horrifying glimpse into how long these games have been going.
• 57:07
  Hmm. And the motive behind creating
• 57:11
  the game and everything. And we look at That and it's
• 57:13
  like everything that they would peel back.
• 57:16
  Whenever the wallpaper gets peeled back, you just seem more
• 57:19
  stuff behind it and it just raises more questions and not
• 57:22
  even in an unsatisfying way, like when he goes down there and
• 57:26
  sees all these binders. It's like, how does any of this
• 57:28
  work, who's behind this? How is this organized?
• 57:32
  You know, is there like a system?
• 57:34
  Where if you win you're the new Runner of the game.
• 57:37
  Like there's so many theories and so much stuff going on that.
• 57:40
  I didn't expect that and I'm still not altogether.
• 57:42
  Sure. Why he was the lead of this.
• 57:48
  The fact that the brother was a 2015 winner and still decided to
• 57:53
  get on the payroll was very surprising to me and I'd love to
• 57:56
  know more about that. So that's something I'm looking
• 57:58
  forward to for season two, that they're going to.
• 58:01
  I hope beef up. It'd be on the news from man
• 58:05
  because their seat there. What the hell happened here?
• 58:07
  Because he witnessed all this Carnage and still came back for
• 58:11
  seconds and thirds and you know, he's been on the shop vac and he
• 58:15
  looked at that and said, this is reasonable like and he even
• 58:19
  alludes to that when he speaking, he's like, you know,
• 58:21
  these people have nowhere else to go, they don't have anything
• 58:24
  to do and it's kind of like in the mix of all of it.
• 58:29
  Somehow he survived all, I guess he's my guess, is that he
• 58:32
  survived all of it. Got a bit of a God complex like
• 58:35
  it comes back to that old Underdog Story.
• 58:38
  That happens here. Maybe I'm reading too much into
• 58:40
  it, but it's another trapping of debt cap.
• 58:43
  Les, I'm all the rest of it, where you have one guy who
• 58:46
  Against All Odds or against odds that are just so tilted against
• 58:50
  you that it really is luck rather than perseverance and
• 58:54
  then they get on top and then they look down on ever.
• 58:56
  Well I did it, why can't you hmm?
• 58:59
  Well I did it. Why shouldn't?
• 59:00
  Why should you guys get a leg up?
• 59:02
  I'm already here so I'm living proof.
• 59:03
  This can work. Hmm, it's awful.
• 59:06
  Its horrifying terrible. Do we want to talk about their
• 59:11
  main dude? For my sake?
• 59:13
  I can't because I feel like he is such a great vehicle for us
• 59:16
  to follow. And for the show to really put
• 59:20
  some put some effort in his story because I truly love song
• 59:26
  Yuan as a character. He's so sympathetic.
• 59:30
  He is basically the the homeless poor man with a heart of gold.
• 59:37
  Yep, on throwing through he's a bit mischievous, a little
• 59:40
  immature, but he's not a bad. Die.
• 59:44
  He knows his lot in life and he's just trying to get out and
• 59:47
  I feel like everyone thinks of themselves that way that they
• 59:52
  feel like oh they're just a punk going through life and they feel
• 59:55
  like everyone is a little bit mischievous like a child and is
• 59:59
  experiencing everything for the first time and with a kind of
• 1:00:02
  Wonder and open-mindedness about stuff and but still you know,
• 1:00:08
  doesn't want to get stolen from wants to have fun at a horse
• 1:00:12
  race. Gambling and not lose like all
• 1:00:15
  their money, but it's just kind of basic his daughter out just
• 1:00:18
  for a basic meal. Oh my God, that was
• 1:00:21
  heartbreaking. That whole thing was so
• 1:00:23
  heartbreaking for us to see him. Taking his daughter out.
• 1:00:26
  He had the best intentions, he won that money and he signs a
• 1:00:31
  blood contract gets the money stolen.
• 1:00:34
  He's Jack, his face is busted and he has to take his daughter
• 1:00:38
  out for street food. They end up having like a
• 1:00:40
  bookie. Oh my gosh.
• 1:00:43
  And it's Western she's like it's okay, it's okay.
• 1:00:46
  My mom doesn't let me junk food anymore.
• 1:00:48
  So this is a treat for me and I was like Western audiences.
• 1:00:51
  Don't really understand that. Fuck bookie is street food,
• 1:00:55
  right? It's cheap kids have it after
• 1:00:57
  school. It's not a fancy meal.
• 1:01:00
  It's not expensive. This is like the least amount
• 1:01:03
  that he can do. Like, what is an equivalent of
• 1:01:05
  that for us? Like all y'all I Were King.
• 1:01:09
  Mcdonald would be, you know what it would be?
• 1:01:11
  It would be like chicken nuggets and fries.
• 1:01:13
  It wouldn't even be a burger. Like that would be like nuggets
• 1:01:15
  and fries or just all are many 20 piece of nuggets.
• 1:01:19
  Like here in the states, you'll probably see that like in an
• 1:01:23
  Asian fusion restaurant like in a tiny fancy little black bowl
• 1:01:27
  with some chives on it for nine dollars, that's not the case.
• 1:01:30
  Look he's like a dollar. Fifty two bucks for this bowl of
• 1:01:33
  just it's just rice cake covered in sauce.
• 1:01:36
  It really just doesn't get any more basic than us.
• 1:01:39
  So equivalent here is like not even fry shows, here's some
• 1:01:42
  nuggets. It's, there's your drinking,
• 1:01:44
  it's, it's very sad and it really lets you understand where
• 1:01:50
  he's coming from, that he is struggling so much.
• 1:01:53
  He's got to borrow money from his asshole, ex-wife's, husband.
• 1:01:59
  Now, like it's it's wild. You really feel for that
• 1:02:03
  character and I appreciate that, even though it's very obvious
• 1:02:06
  that he will live to win the game, that he's a Worthy.
• 1:02:13
  Winner. He's very worthy and I love the
• 1:02:16
  thing that really nailed me on his character from the beginning
• 1:02:19
  was when all of the players are getting their photo taken.
• 1:02:23
  And he puts like this big cheesy smile and they go to, like, the
• 1:02:28
  hexagon where all of the photos aren't everyone looks all stoic
• 1:02:31
  or scared, or crying, or angry, or determine.
• 1:02:34
  And he's just there with this big light shining smile, like,
• 1:02:38
  huh? Like I'm here?
• 1:02:40
  Yeah. It's, he's very nice.
• 1:02:43
  Naive. And he's very simplistic.
• 1:02:44
  He sees the world in black and white, and I think we'd all like
• 1:02:47
  to be that way to still very childish, and he's built in an
• 1:02:52
  innocent way. Just like, I love when it comes
• 1:02:55
  down between him and the asshole who we can just call him the
• 1:02:58
  asshole because okay. That's really.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, hmm. Yeah.
• 1:03:03
  The pride and joy of their town, which all they kept referring
• 1:03:06
  them to. I love that even when it comes
• 1:03:10
  time to be face-to-face, playing the actual Good game, you know,
• 1:03:15
  again is just like, okay, that's it.
• 1:03:17
  Like we don't want to play anymore like like we don't want
• 1:03:21
  to play anymore and nobody has to die.
• 1:03:24
  And up until the very end, you know, is just like trying but
• 1:03:28
  doesn't work but it's an Everyman complex that works like
• 1:03:32
  for the show like you can relate to them or you want to be him so
• 1:03:37
  Samuel. I do want to touch on this as
• 1:03:40
  that he was suicidal. Yes, he was in the middle of
• 1:03:45
  committing suicide when they knocked on his door and gave him
• 1:03:48
  the squid. Game card for round two.
• 1:03:51
  Right to come back to the games. And in my mind I'm like okay
• 1:03:56
  they just telegraphed how he's going to die, he's either going
• 1:03:59
  to die in the games or he's going to commit suicide which
• 1:04:02
  was his original intention. He's already suicidal.
• 1:04:06
  And that's exactly what happened like your they're faced with one
• 1:04:11
  of them has to win. They tried to Hunger Games, it
• 1:04:14
  with we can both be the winner or we can both leave, right.
• 1:04:17
  We can end this thing because it's a majority vote for ending
• 1:04:21
  the games. All he needs to do is say Us,
• 1:04:24
  all you need to do is say yes to live to live and it wasn't it
• 1:04:29
  wasn't enough for him to just say or I would you go back that
• 1:04:33
  was relieved. Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Right. That was exactly what he was
• 1:04:37
  because he lived with no winnings.
• 1:04:40
  He was going to commit suicide before going back into the game.
• 1:04:43
  So I was like the circumstances for the same, he's gonna kill
• 1:04:45
  himself and the really just messed up part is that if they
• 1:04:51
  both would have left and even got in part of the prize, or if
• 1:04:54
  only one of them got in it, they both still would have won
• 1:04:56
  because gay and would have given them like, more than half.
• 1:04:59
  If not, all of it are like a ton of it.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah. Like so, but the rules were
• 1:05:03
  never made clear about what happens if they both walk away.
• 1:05:06
  Well, if they both thought they were both walk away.
• 1:05:09
  All that money goes toward those that died.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah, I still don't believe that.
• 1:05:14
  That's going to be the case though.
• 1:05:15
  Like so the first I do I do feel like that is the case because
• 1:05:20
  the entirety of the game was predicated on fairness.
• 1:05:24
  Mmm and see if a we get like a sudden windfall out of nowhere.
• 1:05:28
  Exactly. So they were religious about
• 1:05:31
  everyone having the same playing on the same Fairfield and I
• 1:05:37
  totally believe that these squid game amorphous beings that have
• 1:05:43
  created this game would, in fact, give 40 billion 12, all of
• 1:05:49
  these hundreds of people that died.
• 1:05:52
  In fact, if they're worried at all, All like actually shocked
• 1:05:55
  me. I got to be honest, like the
• 1:05:57
  fact that they gave him a card in the end at all blew my mind.
• 1:06:01
  I had a feeling they were going to just throw him out in that.
• 1:06:03
  Was it like haha, just kidding. It was all for nothing.
• 1:06:06
  Like I think it's that cynicism that comes with.
• 1:06:09
  You know, what are you promised by someone who can give you so
• 1:06:12
  much more like they don't have to deliver who's ever going to
• 1:06:15
  believe this guy, we could ditch him in the middle of the street
• 1:06:18
  and he'll ramble all his life about how he was kidnapped in
• 1:06:20
  the amount of trust that these people have to have in.
• 1:06:24
  In B's faceless. People is incredible.
• 1:06:28
  I mean, they literally have nothing to lose.
• 1:06:31
  No. And they don't accept and speak.
• 1:06:33
  They only speak what their guns. Like, we need to get out of here
• 1:06:38
  and nope, they're just standing there with their gun, nothing.
• 1:06:42
  I don't think we addressed this but forty five point.
• 1:06:44
  Six billion. One is thirty eight point, seven
• 1:06:49
  million dollars u.s. dollars. Yeah, that's a lot that's a lot.
• 1:06:54
  I mean I can't even I can't even spend a million dollars.
• 1:06:57
  So and it's how quantifiable is that?
• 1:07:00
  Like basically all of these people's lives in the end was
• 1:07:06
  worth this. It's like, oh yeah if you divide
• 1:07:10
  what is it? Thirty eight point seven million
• 1:07:11
  dollars by 455. Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  Then that's the value of each player.
• 1:07:20
  What a mess it It's great though.
• 1:07:23
  But it's can we talk about the upper echelon like that VIP
• 1:07:26
  Club? That?
• 1:07:27
  Yes, that was where I was going next.
• 1:07:29
  Tell me. What do you want to say about
• 1:07:30
  VIP? That was the biggest.
• 1:07:33
  I had a surreal moment with this.
• 1:07:36
  So, the first thing that I saw about this was like, oh, of
• 1:07:38
  course. All right.
• 1:07:39
  Like, you know what I mean? Like, I hate to say it, but
• 1:07:42
  squid game now lives as headcanon for me when I see
• 1:07:46
  people who go missing mysteriously.
• 1:07:47
  Oh, that's what I believe is happening.
• 1:07:49
  You know, you see things like Jeffrey Epstein's Island.
• 1:07:53
  You see things like and it's like, you know what?
• 1:07:55
  This is starting to make sense now and I don't mean that in a
• 1:07:58
  way to like make light. I'm just saying this is a very
• 1:08:01
  thorough piece of fiction. That makes perfect sense on way
• 1:08:07
  too many levels. So when the VIP show up I'm like
• 1:08:10
  that makes sense. These would be the CEO's that
• 1:08:12
  this that that covered in Moss. A little bit on the nose, you
• 1:08:15
  know, the whole Eyes Wide Shut mask thing was like a big batch
• 1:08:19
  that was. I felt the same way.
• 1:08:20
  Yeah. Like one day came in.
• 1:08:22
  Two, I got two things out of that.
• 1:08:23
  The first thing was, like, it was a little, it was a little,
• 1:08:27
  you know, whatever, very Bond villain ish but I'll let that
• 1:08:29
  slide. But the other thing that I
• 1:08:31
  didn't expect to feel was, like, I've gotten to know, like, all
• 1:08:35
  of these players and like this cool playpen.
• 1:08:39
  And when they show up, it's kind of like, when your parents come
• 1:08:42
  to pick you up from summer camp, where that whole like, oh, it's
• 1:08:46
  just you and your friends, nobody else exists.
• 1:08:49
  It's like, oh, the parents are here like their In the show and
• 1:08:53
  showing the sadism how much they were enjoying these players,
• 1:08:56
  dying pulled me out of the show but not in a bad way.
• 1:09:00
  It just made me empathize and sympathize with the players even
• 1:09:03
  more. Yeah, and it's really my hatred
• 1:09:06
  towards the VIP and the staff way more like Amplified all my
• 1:09:11
  feelings across the board, right?
• 1:09:13
  Um it just made me think. Of course, this is about the low
• 1:09:17
  class being exploited for the upper class for sport for
• 1:09:21
  entertainment. Which was my guest, the whole
• 1:09:24
  time, right? Yeah, was just confirmation for
• 1:09:26
  me at first. I thought that the games were
• 1:09:30
  like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or Willy Wonka and the
• 1:09:34
  Chocolate Factory, where these gains are happening.
• 1:09:39
  And the winner is going to basically inherit some sort of
• 1:09:43
  Empire. Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  But it wasn't, but it wasn't that, maybe maybe not yet not
• 1:09:51
  yet. We had yeah.
• 1:09:54
  But yeah, they bet money on them like horses or Greyhounds and
• 1:09:58
  they got annoyed. When their favorite player lost
• 1:10:00
  versus, they weren't upset that the loss of life.
• 1:10:04
  They were upset that their player was out of the game.
• 1:10:08
  Then they were information to like they had the information.
• 1:10:11
  Like, the glass pane game, I found very interesting because
• 1:10:14
  one of the last standing players was looking at the glass.
• 1:10:17
  He's like, I worked in a glass factory for 30 years, I can tell
• 1:10:20
  the difference between tempered glass and fragile glass.
• 1:10:22
  Gasps and seeing the VIP members?
• 1:10:25
  Hey, isn't that your guy? Yeah, this information was in
• 1:10:28
  his binder, I didn't even read that.
• 1:10:30
  Damn, it, I should have bet on him and it's like, yo, like the
• 1:10:35
  extent to which those like VIPs disregarded, the humanity of the
• 1:10:38
  players is incredible to me. Yeah, it was depraved.
• 1:10:44
  And what about the voices though?
• 1:10:46
  That was awful, that was awful. That what English-speaking was
• 1:10:51
  not so good. Was just robotic.
• 1:10:55
  It was robotic and out of. But I did read why I found out
• 1:10:58
  why today actually girl. So when it comes down to it,
• 1:11:03
  adding English and this is it may sound like a generalization.
• 1:11:07
  But I've read enough about where it's like, okay, this seems like
• 1:11:10
  it's a thing as far as I can tell.
• 1:11:12
  It's a thing where the actors that are being pulled in our
• 1:11:17
  models who are biracial or their white who live in Korea already
• 1:11:21
  and it's like oh let's get that. Guy, he speaks English and
• 1:11:24
  that's fine. But the reason they can't
• 1:11:26
  deliver the lines isn't necessarily because they're poor
• 1:11:29
  actors, but because they're giving no context to the scenes.
• 1:11:32
  Just like here's these lines read them.
• 1:11:34
  So that's why the conversations were like hey, you bet on that
• 1:11:37
  one, right? Hahaha, and the other person's
• 1:11:40
  like, yeah, I totally did that on that one.
• 1:11:43
  Like it didn't feel like a natural conversation.
• 1:11:46
  So they were just blindly given their lines.
• 1:11:48
  Also, they were so far apart the characters couldn't For each
• 1:11:52
  other. So they were literally shouting.
• 1:11:55
  That's why it sounds like they're shouting.
• 1:11:57
  Gosh it's a mess but the really creepy fat guy, who tries to
• 1:12:02
  sexually assault if you can, please me in the next five
• 1:12:07
  minutes. Yeah that was a whole thing that
• 1:12:11
  was a whole thing but in real life it turns out.
• 1:12:13
  He's actually not like that. Like not a criminal but he's
• 1:12:16
  just as boisterous in real life. They asked him what he thought
• 1:12:18
  about the role. He's like, I've gotten so much
• 1:12:20
  fan mail, everyone loves me. He's literally like that in real
• 1:12:24
  life. You living.
• 1:12:26
  Oh my gosh, he's like I got to do suitors both male and female.
• 1:12:30
  I didn't and I was like oh my God.
• 1:12:41
  Yeah that whole thing. The view peas are just meant to
• 1:12:46
  juxtapose against the players. They care.
• 1:12:49
  Nothing of the billions. Billions of one pot that the
• 1:12:54
  players so desperately need and waswe Tuesday for them.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, I'm gonna day all in a day.
• 1:13:01
  It's very casual nonchalant. When this is over, they're going
• 1:13:04
  back to their wherever they came from like it's nothing.
• 1:13:08
  So I think at this point, we got to talk about the ending and
• 1:13:12
  Willy, Wonka /, the man behind the curtain.
• 1:13:16
  Because we've mentioned him before this had about the
• 1:13:22
  players user 1. Yeah, I already listed that he
• 1:13:27
  was too eager to like play this game.
• 1:13:30
  He somehow survived the massacre night where it was like the
• 1:13:34
  strobing effect happening. Yeah, somehow.
• 1:13:39
  He got all the way up from. How exactly he meaningfully
• 1:13:45
  gives player 456 his jacket and says people will look down on
• 1:13:50
  him if he's not wearing his jacket, which is something that
• 1:13:54
  someone only of an upper Ash Onward to put focus on Legit.
• 1:13:58
  The context of it's like, yeah, I know, we're fighting for our
• 1:14:02
  lives, but your hair. You know what I mean?
• 1:14:05
  Yeah, that's not something people of their class say, yeah,
• 1:14:09
  it wasn't precise, stand up straight.
• 1:14:13
  When you're killing someone, I get it.
• 1:14:18
  We're fighting to the death, but posture, that sounds like
• 1:14:21
  something old money would ask us, you're killing him ago,
• 1:14:25
  Okay. So So in the gumbo episode, he's
• 1:14:29
  having his dementia episode and he finally ends up at this house
• 1:14:34
  and inside outside this house, there's this squid game symbols.
• 1:14:38
  Hmm. And I'm like, that's a dead
• 1:14:40
  giveaway to yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  And he was lying convincingly that they are as your house.
• 1:14:47
  He was lying convincingly throughout the marbles game
• 1:14:50
  pretending to have dementia. Letting him con him out of his
• 1:14:54
  marbles. It's just like, okay, so he's
• 1:14:58
  very comfortable with lying. He also says, it's only fair
• 1:15:03
  when he proposes that we, they should do all or nothing for the
• 1:15:06
  marbles. Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  So he's obsessed with fairness. All of a sudden.
• 1:15:11
  Yeah. Reasoning.
• 1:15:12
  Quality into the fairness and equality that they're given like
• 1:15:15
  by down, but then like there's enough clues that even if you
• 1:15:18
  didn't like I wouldn't blame anyone for not seeing it coming
• 1:15:22
  and if you completely shut off your brain, like there's enough
• 1:15:25
  clues in there. Where you can still logically
• 1:15:27
  piece it together by a certain point.
• 1:15:29
  Hmm But the game I think is the dead giveaway when he's like, oh
• 1:15:33
  and you think it's okay to fool an old man like he dragged him
• 1:15:36
  through that whole game. But also what about Wonder on
• 1:15:40
  the outside and he just shows up like in the second episode.
• 1:15:45
  He's like oh you want to share some soup and a whiskey?
• 1:15:48
  It's like, oh, we're just in the neighborhood.
• 1:15:51
  Yeah, he look, he's lived in. This neighborhood isn't I.
• 1:15:53
  GM has in this neighborhood, his entire life for In squalor to
• 1:15:57
  where he is now. And never, once, he's seen this
• 1:16:01
  guy, except for this one like no, like, like we can stop now.
• 1:16:05
  Like the, the dude, the front man says, on the phone, I'm
• 1:16:09
  happy to hear you enjoy the game.
• 1:16:11
  Like that's just after the old man was killed air quotes.
• 1:16:18
  It's like, okay, I'm sorry if you were, you didn't see it.
• 1:16:23
  But again, I feel like it was very obvious.
• 1:16:26
  He is the the ringleader, the man behind the curtain Willy
• 1:16:29
  Wonka, he is the creator of the squid game.
• 1:16:34
  Yeah, yes. I know which Joker.
• 1:16:41
  Moment, he has the Joker moment, like, for in the dark night when
• 1:16:45
  which, I've always hated the same because it's so
• 1:16:46
  unrealistic. But, you know, let's go for it,
• 1:16:48
  Humanity, morality whatever, where they give the two boats, a
• 1:16:52
  boat full of convicts like a button, it'll detonate a soluble
• 1:16:56
  God. What are the civilians of
• 1:16:58
  button? That'll blow up the prisoners.
• 1:17:00
  Yeah. And Humanity overwhelms them and
• 1:17:02
  they both just they Cast Away the.
• 1:17:05
  Yes, the he did. And that's the same thing.
• 1:17:07
  He tries to make actually what he did in the final epic
• 1:17:11
  miniseries. So the show really, he's asking
• 1:17:15
  the question, do you still trust people?
• 1:17:17
  After all that you've been through?
• 1:17:19
  Do you still believe in the inherent good of humanity and
• 1:17:23
  just like dark night? The villain is proven wrong.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah, you know, everybody steps over on one person, who looks
• 1:17:31
  like, they go away, they get a cop.
• 1:17:33
  They save his life and we still don't know if the old guy was
• 1:17:38
  actually alive to see it like that.
• 1:17:40
  Part is left ambiguous. Us again says like no, you saw
• 1:17:44
  it and that's why you're dead. I hope.
• 1:17:46
  Yeah. He's like yeah, you lost.
• 1:17:48
  Yeah, he bet his life on this thing, which didn't quite factor
• 1:17:54
  in the same way that the squid game does because he was already
• 1:17:57
  on his deathbed. But yeah, he basically says that
• 1:18:01
  the rich developed squid game because they were bored and
• 1:18:05
  wanted to have some little money or too much, you get.
• 1:18:07
  Miserable is their whole idea and it's like the thing.
• 1:18:11
  That they played it that way because they kind of took an old
• 1:18:15
  Trope and they put it on its head, in the mind of this old
• 1:18:19
  person. Like, all of this makes perfect
• 1:18:22
  sense, right? And and he's handing it down to
• 1:18:25
  gion like the way a grandparent would hand it down to their
• 1:18:27
  grandchild. Like, you know you know when you
• 1:18:31
  have too much money it just gets really hard and I want to thank
• 1:18:34
  you because you know, without an ounce of cynicism, you showed me
• 1:18:38
  what it was like to have fun and he's like, everyone I know is
• 1:18:40
  dead. All of these people are dead.
• 1:18:43
  These very real. Yeah.
• 1:18:44
  But you showed me how to have fun and you're still a good
• 1:18:49
  person. And it's like, that's not the
• 1:18:51
  takeaway old man. Like all these people died.
• 1:18:54
  He's so twisted and morbid. That he says he had this was the
• 1:18:59
  most fun that he'd ever had in in such a long time and that he
• 1:19:05
  left you and Alive. Because he had fun playing with
• 1:19:08
  him, and he doesn't even think him like Thanks, I'm in Earnest,
• 1:19:12
  like not even in spite of the people who died, not even in
• 1:19:15
  spite of jian's experience. He like recognizes that they're
• 1:19:18
  dead, but he also recognizes. But the important thing is that
• 1:19:22
  you showed me how to have fun again, and I can't believe I got
• 1:19:26
  to get that before I died. Like we're supposed to be like,
• 1:19:28
  oh well, I'm glad I, you know, your nieces, he had your whole
• 1:19:32
  Make-a-Wish moment and you have like, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:35
  Like right here. Like, and I was just like, this
• 1:19:37
  isn't, this isn't a heartwarming, what's going on?
• 1:19:40
  Like Yeah, my God, I hate that he almost insinuates that he
• 1:19:45
  doesn't need squid game anymore to feel alive because there's
• 1:19:49
  nothing like the experience of being in the game, right?
• 1:19:53
  At this point, if he would have carried on, living forget it,
• 1:19:56
  like he would have invented even worse games so they would have a
• 1:19:59
  front row. It's and I think that plays back
• 1:20:02
  to being rich, right? It comes back to all those
• 1:20:05
  anecdotes. Oh well and you know I do I'm
• 1:20:07
  not meaning to get political but just in the general stories, you
• 1:20:10
  get of like that. Anecdote When I came to London,
• 1:20:13
  I only had two things, a dream and fifty million pounds.
• 1:20:17
  It comes back to that idea, right?
• 1:20:19
  Like, oh, this nameless, Ultra billionaire, who owns.
• 1:20:23
  The one of the biggest companies in the world, you know, they
• 1:20:26
  started off on the Lower East Side, all they had was an
• 1:20:29
  endorsement from their dad and their dad's friend of 30 million
• 1:20:32
  dollars to go. Okay.
• 1:20:34
  Like, they live in such a skewed world and this old man and has
• 1:20:37
  to like it's of course, he recognizes it as fun because for
• 1:20:41
  him. It is fun.
• 1:20:42
  And there are no Stakes. No he's not gonna lose that
• 1:20:44
  game. He is not going to die the
• 1:20:47
  players or the the crew would sooner reveal.
• 1:20:52
  The fact that he is not an average player than to let him
• 1:20:57
  die. Hmm.
• 1:20:58
  So there was no of course he had fun.
• 1:21:00
  There was no Stakes. Yeah of course.
• 1:21:04
  Typical playground rich people stuff.
• 1:21:06
  It's too much. Did you like that?
• 1:21:08
  And I think I liked it. I think that that That I like,
• 1:21:11
  first of all, I expected it. But I enjoyed this ending, you
• 1:21:16
  know? I did too.
• 1:21:17
  I did too. I like that.
• 1:21:18
  It happened in the confines of I think what I like the most about
• 1:21:24
  it is that it happened in the confines of a very quiet room
• 1:21:28
  where it's only two of them. Like, it's a very interesting
• 1:21:33
  Placid exchange between two people and I think that's what
• 1:21:37
  really drove the point home. And they did that very well,
• 1:21:41
  what I found, interesting what, yeah, that's what I found
• 1:21:45
  interesting. Is that the old man was so rich
• 1:21:49
  that he was placed in this This empty gigantic floor of a
• 1:21:55
  high-rise building with his hospital bed and his oxygen and
• 1:22:00
  a front row seat to death. I mean, it was still very morbid
• 1:22:07
  and luxurious and yeah amazing. It's so well done.
• 1:22:15
  It's so. So well done.
• 1:22:18
  Like he's just sitting up there kicking like oh, all right.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah, this floor is mine. Maybe the buildings is like, who
• 1:22:25
  knows? Who knows what was the tower
• 1:22:27
  called? It was a big company to.
• 1:22:29
  Oh, I can't give us a telecommunications company and
• 1:22:32
  it's a real company in real life which I found interesting.
• 1:22:35
  But we haven't talked about one major, dude, and it was the
• 1:22:39
  suit, man, going. You going in with the subway
• 1:22:46
  Algona? That was like with a little
• 1:22:50
  card. Flipping game.
• 1:22:51
  Yes. So, I don't I've seen a few
• 1:22:58
  memes of this that I love like that.
• 1:23:01
  I love. But the one that stands out is
• 1:23:04
  squid game, if it happened in the Bronx, and it's a woman
• 1:23:08
  sitting there with her, she's sitting there with him with a
• 1:23:11
  pair of Tim's, you know, the whole train platform is empty,
• 1:23:14
  she's sitting there with her, you know, her puffy jacket,
• 1:23:16
  whatever. It's just like and the the same
• 1:23:19
  woman comes over in a suit, very manicured, excuse me, stop.
• 1:23:25
  No, I'm good. I'm good.
• 1:23:26
  I saw this one. Can I talk to you?
• 1:23:30
  I said, get out of here. Do you want to play a game a
• 1:23:35
  game? What do I look like saw?
• 1:23:38
  No, I need a car. I need a mysterious man.
• 1:23:42
  Yeah, that's excellent. The means and the spoofs are
• 1:23:45
  hysterical. But what would you do if that
• 1:23:47
  man approached you like, oh no, I would you like to play a game
• 1:23:50
  with me Wyatt know? Absolutely not, we're not doing
• 1:23:55
  this. He's a he's a model for Ralph
• 1:23:59
  Lauren right now. Well, God is doing great.
• 1:24:02
  People are simple after this man.
• 1:24:04
  Again, he's coffee prince Again, cast goblet.
• 1:24:11
  Yeah. The cotton, the casting of
• 1:24:13
  gwangju I think, is part /, very sharp orderly manner, only kind
• 1:24:19
  of creepy. But disarming enough, where you
• 1:24:22
  can kind of look past, It if you're desperate enough.
• 1:24:24
  Yeah. Incredible.
• 1:24:26
  And this is a reunions with him and the director because he's
• 1:24:29
  the star of the movie, silenced. Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  In the director of this squid game wrote and directed that
• 1:24:36
  movie. So it's almost like a Scorsese
• 1:24:39
  type of thing happening. It's like a homecoming thing
• 1:24:41
  working. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's a
• 1:24:44
  fantastic Cameo. He had a fantastic area, he did
• 1:24:50
  a great job with the parts. I love at least.
• 1:24:53
  Make very again at the end of the movie, that little wave that
• 1:24:58
  terrifying Little Wave. Like, you're never gonna see me
• 1:25:00
  again and even if you do, what are you gonna do?
• 1:25:03
  Like so you mentioned the red hair.
• 1:25:06
  I don't know what the hell is up with that?
• 1:25:08
  I don't to me that's the equivalent of that Trope when a
• 1:25:13
  woman in a movie goes to like a traumatic event and then chops
• 1:25:17
  off all their hair and smears their lipstick and punches the
• 1:25:19
  mirror. I guess that's what they were
• 1:25:22
  going for I guess. But when he or I guess they were
• 1:25:25
  trying to go with, you know, fine.
• 1:25:29
  He's feeling at the end of his rope, he doesn't care about
• 1:25:31
  anything. Sure, give me the feminine.
• 1:25:32
  Red hair cut, like, what the Marcille swoop and everything,
• 1:25:36
  whatever it doesn't work for me. It didn't work and I can fit the
• 1:25:40
  character Hilda. No, not at all, like maybe blue,
• 1:25:44
  maybe purple, maybe like shave the head, like all the way back
• 1:25:48
  or in. Yeah, I was thinking.
• 1:25:50
  Oh, maybe. He'll just be clean shaven with
• 1:25:52
  a Are here at the but no, he goes with.
• 1:25:57
  It's not even a stylish. Red eye looks like such a young
• 1:26:02
  haircut on such an old. It looks like Kpop friend.
• 1:26:07
  It's, yeah, it's Kpop. Revlon, red.
• 1:26:10
  Just like boom. Like, and it didn't, I, I didn't
• 1:26:15
  like that because I could forgive so much about the end.
• 1:26:20
  I could forgive the reveal that it was his brother because it
• 1:26:22
  was a very big actor. Do you know the cop finds his oh
• 1:26:25
  the cop? Well yeah, the front I can
• 1:26:27
  forgive the obvious player. 0 0, 1 is in, on it, I can forgive
• 1:26:31
  that, I can forgive him adopting the kid and having a whole
• 1:26:36
  Keanu. Reeves, John Wick moment of
• 1:26:41
  leaving the suitcase of cash. His, you know, his mother passed
• 1:26:44
  away. There's nothing left for him.
• 1:26:47
  In this town, I'm getting my bag and I'm leaving.
• 1:26:50
  I can deal with all of that, right?
• 1:26:52
  Find their cliches. To the wall.
• 1:26:54
  But the red hair pulls me out of all of that, like, I can't take
• 1:27:00
  any of it seriously at all. And I resent that like, I still
• 1:27:06
  love the show, but it's spoiled those moments where it's like,
• 1:27:09
  oh my God. He's reuniting with the North
• 1:27:13
  Korean girls brother like, oh my God, he did right by her.
• 1:27:17
  But then, you know, looks pretty can't take that seriously
• 1:27:19
  because he looks like a clown. He looks like a McDonald's is
• 1:27:22
  just about Big fucking hat. It like, you know, if it doesn't
• 1:27:28
  work, it doesn't work for hey, he's like an about up up up his
• 1:27:33
  way, back into the game. Yes.
• 1:27:37
  So we definitely are going to have a season 2.
• 1:27:39
  They, yeah, because he doesn't get on a plane to the u.s. to
• 1:27:42
  see his daughter. He decides, he's going to
• 1:27:44
  dismantle The Hunger Games from the inside.
• 1:27:47
  So we're going to have Catching Fire.
• 1:27:49
  I'm next season and we only winners in the in the Squid
• 1:27:54
  game. We're gonna play.
• 1:27:57
  Yeah, I want to do something cheap and bring back.
• 1:27:59
  Some of the Dead characters. I wait quit.
• 1:28:02
  I could see it could. No, see it.
• 1:28:04
  I can see it. This is not there to reasons why
• 1:28:07
  they are not going to bring back the same.
• 1:28:09
  Are you sure like? Oh, they thought they burned me,
• 1:28:12
  but this cop is steeped in the nick of time and undid the
• 1:28:17
  furnace because the timeline matches up with that, right?
• 1:28:20
  He could have just gone back in and like Shut it.
• 1:28:23
  They it's a Korean drama people come back from bone marrow
• 1:28:27
  transplants. So they're gonna be fine.
• 1:28:30
  Like I definitely think the only person that we're going to see
• 1:28:32
  come back from the dead is the cop.
• 1:28:40
  The phone calls coming from the bottom of the trench.
• 1:28:45
  It's gonna be as a phone call to Darth Vader.
• 1:28:47
  Is going to pick up the phone and Trace the call.
• 1:28:49
  It's coming from inside the room.
• 1:28:55
  Okay, I think we're done. Or do you have anything else you
• 1:28:57
  want to say about squid game? Um, I'm trying to say, I think I
• 1:29:01
  had a couple of stray observations.
• 1:29:03
  Okay, one of them was it was something that really unsettled
• 1:29:09
  me. I wasn't the dog.
• 1:29:10
  Oh nothing. Oh well, yeah, something that I
• 1:29:12
  found interesting, were the characters cheated on some of
• 1:29:16
  the games and they just made it through like, ultimately, their
• 1:29:20
  fate caught up with them, but I'm convinced that, you know,
• 1:29:23
  No, they knew that they were cheating.
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, like there was no way that they're using a lighter and a
• 1:29:28
  needle, and all this other stuff.
• 1:29:29
  Like they knew we didn't talk about the whole.
• 1:29:36
  It was that organ ring resealing.
• 1:29:41
  Yeah. That threw me off the organ
• 1:29:42
  harvesting thing. Like the I guess we can call the
• 1:29:47
  moderators or the game Runners were like running their own.
• 1:29:50
  Little side project selling organ to the Chinese.
• 1:29:54
  I don't, I mean, it's plausible but it was kind of such a red
• 1:30:00
  herring of a motive and it took up almost an entire episode
• 1:30:03
  because we thought oh they're being killed for this and its
• 1:30:06
  really much simpler than that it's like no this is literally
• 1:30:09
  just a chance to win. It was for the cops storyline
• 1:30:13
  because they were like, oh there was a dude in here that only had
• 1:30:18
  one kidney Yeah, and it's like he was like other who was that
• 1:30:24
  that you killed and took their kidney so sauce.
• 1:30:28
  Yeah, that whole thing was really gross.
• 1:30:32
  There was a moment that I really loved and it was God.
• 1:30:37
  It was when guess against kept introducing, the other guys.
• 1:30:41
  So he was the one who went to this University and he's the
• 1:30:45
  pride and joy of this town and this he basically went to
• 1:30:47
  Harvard, right? Yeah.
• 1:30:49
  So when he gets in a Indians face about like, oh, you know we
• 1:30:52
  need to we all had a chance and we all did this and we all did I
• 1:30:56
  and Ian responds? It's like that's really
• 1:30:57
  interesting. And you say all that and you say
• 1:30:59
  that you're the pride and joy of this town and you're well-read
• 1:31:02
  and educated but you're still in here with the rest of us.
• 1:31:05
  Mmm-hmm. I found that exchange to be
• 1:31:07
  really powerful because he tells the first time he ever heard
• 1:31:10
  that in his life it's like yeah that all may be true but you're
• 1:31:14
  still here right? Why are you still here?
• 1:31:16
  Owe me? You got out.
• 1:31:18
  Yeah you're so much better than the rest of us and yet you know
• 1:31:22
  like it's I thought that was interesting.
• 1:31:25
  I thought the show just has so much to say and every time you
• 1:31:31
  like re watch an episode or if you like you're gonna catch
• 1:31:34
  something each time like I planned.
• 1:31:36
  Re-watching, this really soon. Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:39
  But I, I just, I don't know. I really liked it.
• 1:31:44
  If it wasn't for the red hair, this show would be perfect.
• 1:31:48
  But I really enjoyed it, Fred here.
• 1:31:52
  Okay, I had one stray observation, and it was on the
• 1:31:56
  marbles gumbo episode that the alley set that they were on
• 1:32:01
  looked identical to the reply 1988 set.
• 1:32:06
  Where the entirety of reply 1988 takes place on like this Ally
• 1:32:11
  of? Yeah, we're all these bi
• 1:32:13
  characters, live and reply. 1988 is like a comfort drama for a
• 1:32:18
  lot of people. It is so easy to watch and fun
• 1:32:25
  and heartwarming, right? So, even the players when they
• 1:32:30
  get out onto the alley set there, like I used to live on an
• 1:32:36
  ally. Like this insole and it was so
• 1:32:38
  much fun and we used to play and they were having the Reminiscing
• 1:32:43
  on their time as children living in this kind of neighborhood.
• 1:32:48
  Yeah, and again it's turned on its on its head because they
• 1:32:53
  they start dying in the streets and the sky is like this
• 1:32:56
  horrifyingly a million shade like where it looks like.
• 1:33:01
  It looks like a thunderstorm just passed but the sun's going
• 1:33:03
  down like it's an ugly. Big red.
• 1:33:07
  Oh, what about this? Other chick, the, the girl was
• 1:33:12
  her name. She only she was really only in
• 1:33:15
  like two episodes. The one we took method.
• 1:33:19
  Yes. The girl that pairs off with the
• 1:33:21
  North Korean for the marbles. Yes.
• 1:33:23
  Yes. Okay.
• 1:33:24
  Yes. That that girl is pretty chill.
• 1:33:27
  That was Rachel. The fact that she just like
• 1:33:29
  basically sacrificed herself that was very emotional for me.
• 1:33:34
  That was her and Ali In that episode basically wrecked me.
• 1:33:39
  Oh yeah. When they're like, what are you
• 1:33:41
  doing throughout Lake? The North Korean goes like, what
• 1:33:43
  are you doing? Throw the marble and she's like,
• 1:33:45
  you kept asking me? What am I going to do?
• 1:33:48
  When I get out of here? And I've been thinking about
• 1:33:49
  that for the last 40 minutes and nothing comes to mind, got
• 1:33:53
  nothing to live for and the North Korean girl, gets like mad
• 1:33:57
  at her, just like really angry because it's like, no, you're
• 1:34:00
  basically making me kill you. She's like, that's it.
• 1:34:03
  The game is over. Like he won.
• 1:34:05
  It's like, no, no, no. Maybe they do make it for Jeju
• 1:34:10
  Island. I hope that they pull something
• 1:34:13
  like this. Whole dying thing just wasn't
• 1:34:15
  working for me. Like, is he really a feel for
• 1:34:18
  the characters? You want them to live but I
• 1:34:22
  don't know how they're going to do it in the next one.
• 1:34:24
  Like cuz this cast was really good, like really good but I
• 1:34:31
  want to know who's running the games.
• 1:34:33
  Now that the old man is the Creator's.
• 1:34:35
  Dad, he's gone, right? Yeah.
• 1:34:37
  So He said come to the brain tumor.
• 1:34:42
  Wow! You think it was left to the
• 1:34:43
  2015 event comes back. Do you think it was left to the
• 1:34:47
  front man? I think so.
• 1:34:49
  Is he Charlie? Was he is.
• 1:34:52
  Oh my gosh. I was so right.
• 1:34:56
  The 2015 winner was Charlie and he inherited the Chocolate
• 1:34:59
  Factory. Xtq keep saying Willy Wonka and
• 1:35:02
  now in the next movie I want a lump has, like I wait, Korean
• 1:35:05
  Oompa-Loompa sequence. A Blank Range, just dragging
• 1:35:10
  them away. Okay.
• 1:35:14
  That was, that was what I thought happened to the very
• 1:35:16
  spunky girl, like when they were, she's like, no, I need my
• 1:35:18
  partner, I need my heart, we should have known, she wasn't
• 1:35:22
  dead when we didn't hear a gunshot or something, but
• 1:35:24
  whatever, it's fine. Yeah, water under the bridge.
• 1:35:27
  All right. So, thank you so much for
• 1:35:30
  welcoming us going on this journey with me.
• 1:35:33
  Talking about squid game ago. This was so much fun, and I'm
• 1:35:37
  glad we got it off our chests. I was looking Forward to this
• 1:35:39
  episode because I had so many thoughts that I had to get down
• 1:35:43
  and I didn't want to write them, I just wanted to talk.
• 1:35:45
  Yes, I'm racing with you. I had a great time.
• 1:35:50
  The show was amazing. Like I haven't talked about this
• 1:35:54
  with anybody yet, so yes. Thank you.
• 1:35:57
  Yeah, it was this was like a venting at.
• 1:35:59
  This is a very long episode but this was a venting process and I
• 1:36:03
  do want to thank all of our listeners for sticking with us
• 1:36:06
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• 1:36:09
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• 1:36:17
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• 1:36:20
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• 1:36:26
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• 1:36:29
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• 1:36:32
  We'll have you. You're like my original kdrama,
• 1:36:34
  buddy. Uh, of course.
• 1:36:36
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• 1:36:38
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• 1:37:01
  pod. Alright, I think that's it.
• 1:37:03
  I think that's all we have for you.
• 1:37:05
  Are we doing the surgery bottle thing or oh my God?
• 1:37:08
  You're right. I totally forgot.
• 1:37:10
  I just hum again. Ascended, I'm gonna go to the
• 1:37:12
  bottom war soldier, but I would give it 4 as well.
• 1:37:16
  Are we gonna for that last one? I drank after Ali and the North
• 1:37:20
  Korean girl were taken away, so it's not even their fault.
• 1:37:24
  Yeah. Pour it out half of that.
• 1:37:27
  Last one for them and then I threw the rest of it when I saw
• 1:37:30
  the red hair like, okay, okay, that has been our show.
• 1:37:36
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• 1:37:40
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• 1:37:43
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