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The Late Debate | 12 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on a brand new week of
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  Speaker 2: The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James McPherson with Michelle Stevenson and Joe Hildebrand. Here's
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  Speaker 3: something you might not know about Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 2: He's an absolute whiz.
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  Speaker 3: At crosswords every time I see you, Joe. Before a show,
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  Speaker 3: after a show, you've always got a crossword on the go.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I like to keep my mind healthy and active.
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  Speaker 4: Alzheimer's is a growing problem in our community, as you know, James.
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  Speaker 4: And I like to keep myself as mentally ill as
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  Speaker 4: I've always been. If I suddenly get smarter late in life,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to shock far too many people. So I
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  Speaker 4: just cannot afford to stop being crazy now.
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  Speaker 2: But on a serious note, you're always doing cryptic crosswords.
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  Speaker 2: Are you a puzzle person?
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  Speaker 4: Times cryptic, I do.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not a puzzle person, but I am a gamer. No,
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  Speaker 5: I've got a 14-year-old who's making me game all the.
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  Speaker 6: Time and I'm so bad at it.
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  Speaker 3: What, are you like at home on PlayStation or something? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I did grow up on Game Boy, though.
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  Speaker 6: Game Boy was awesome. A bit of Tetris. Everyone loves
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  Speaker 6: a bit of Tetris. Donkey Kong.
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  Speaker 3: Donkey Kong.
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  Speaker 6: Donkey Kong Country.
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  Speaker 4: So what do you do now? Grand Theft Auto?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Grand Theft Auto. I'm an importer-exporter.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get into the program. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 3: up on The Late Debate tonight. Police want more latitude
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  Speaker 3: to engage in car chases. Is that a good idea
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  Speaker 3: or is it safer to just let the bad guys
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  Speaker 3: get away? The ABC says One Nation's Victorian election campaign
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  Speaker 3: ad is racist. Because it features an Arab in a
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  Speaker 3: suicide vest and young Africans with machetes will argue the
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  Speaker 3: toss on that one. And Hamas is full of praise
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  Speaker 3: for the Nobel Peace Prize winner, which strangely doesn't seem
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  Speaker 3: to bother anyone. We'll get to all of that shortly.
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  Speaker 3: But first, the Albanese government is being urged to stop
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  Speaker 3: Australians from viewing the live streaming of Islamic terrorist Nadal
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  Speaker 3: Hassan's execution. Nadal is one of America's most infamous terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: He's the military psychiatrist who pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda and
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  Speaker 3: then shot dead 13 people on the Fort Hood military
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  Speaker 3: base in 2009. The Trump administration says it will live
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  Speaker 3: stream his death by firing squad as an example to
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  Speaker 3: anyone else who's thinking of going all Allah Akbar on
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  Speaker 3: American citizens. But Shadow Treasurer Jim Wilson isn't sure it's
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  Speaker 3: such a good idea.
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  Speaker 7: My basic principle is we shouldn't be promoting that sort
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  Speaker 7: of violence. And so my fundamental view is, yes, I
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  Speaker 7: think it's enormously problematic to tolerate this type of behaviour.
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  Speaker 7: But the challenge is going to be how do you
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  Speaker 7: do that in a way that doesn't amount to a
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  Speaker 7: censorship ban on the internet?
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  Speaker 3: We shouldn't tolerate this kind of behaviour if only our
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  Speaker 3: politicians were as intolerant of radical Islam. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: the execution of a convicted mass murderer is not violence,
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  Speaker 3: it's justice. And a state execution after years of legal
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  Speaker 3: appeals is not the promotion of violence, it's the promotion
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  Speaker 3: of justice and a warning to other would-be jihadists. But
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  Speaker 3: don't expect Sarah Hansen-Young to understand any of that. The
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  Speaker 3: Green senator was pretty upset about the decision to live
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  Speaker 3: stream the executions.
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  Speaker 8: The United States is one of the few countries who
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  Speaker 8: is now lining up to do public executions at all,
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  Speaker 8: lining up with countries like Afghanistan, Iran. I've written to
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  Speaker 8: the communications minister and to the e-safety commissioner today to say,
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  Speaker 8: you know, we seek their assurance that this barbaric act
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  Speaker 8: will not be broadcast here in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: All of a sudden, Sarah Hansen-Young is concerned about human
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  Speaker 3: rights breaches in Afghanistan and Iran. First time I've ever
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  Speaker 3: heard her mention those countries. Murdering 13 of your fellow
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  Speaker 3: citizens and wounding 30 others is incredibly shocking and barbaric.
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  Speaker 3: That is the problem. Making a very public example of
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  Speaker 3: the mass murderer is to be applauded. I'm in favour
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  Speaker 3: of the live stream. Not sure I'd watch it, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad they're sending this message, Joe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I don't know if I... I share your enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 4: I think... I agree that it's not violence, what we
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  Speaker 4: are looking at. I mean, I'm opposed to the death
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  Speaker 4: penalty generally, but I could not give a rat's about
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  Speaker 4: this guy, obviously. My concern is a much more pragmatic one. Firstly,
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  Speaker 4: I think, who is it that uses images of executions
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  Speaker 4: to fetishise death and get people excited?
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  Speaker 9: Mm.
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  Speaker 4: It's al-Qaeda. It's the guy he was working for. It's ISIS,
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  Speaker 4: the group that came along and made al-Qaeda look like
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  Speaker 4: the moderate wing of extremist Islam. So I think it
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  Speaker 4: will make a martyr of this guy. I think that
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  Speaker 4: this is the sort of footage that will be shared
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  Speaker 4: and reshared by extremists as to look at our brave soldier,
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  Speaker 4: you know, how brave he is in the face of
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  Speaker 4: death with the American infidel pig dogs shooting him. And again,
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  Speaker 4: the reason why he is being executed. And this is
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  Speaker 4: why I just can't get my head around the death
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  Speaker 4: penalty is because we consider life to be so sacrosanct
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  Speaker 4: and the taking of life to be so absolutely inhuman
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  Speaker 4: and against God. And I noticed the Pope and American
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  Speaker 4: Catholics have also come out against the live streaming of this.
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  Speaker 4: And then, you know, so it's one thing, again, this
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  Speaker 4: guy is a very, very, very evil dude. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sorry that he's not going to be with us
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  Speaker 4: on the planet anymore. But We are punishing him for
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  Speaker 4: doing something so, so, so, so terribly inhuman and against
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  Speaker 4: God by doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Whatever. I can park that. But then doing it
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  Speaker 4: as though it's a kind of celebration, as though doing it,
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  Speaker 4: that this is not a sort of noble, reluctant duty
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  Speaker 4: we have to do to rid this filth from the
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  Speaker 4: human race, but that this is something we're doing for fun,
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  Speaker 4: that this is something we're doing for entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing it as a celebration or
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  Speaker 3: for fun.
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  Speaker 4: If you live stream it, it is by definition entertainment.
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  Speaker 5: Like a public hanging in the office. It does kind
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  Speaker 5: of wade into that kind of ideological stuff, right?
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  Speaker 6: When we look at what the Middle East does and
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  Speaker 6: countries like Iran and we see what these.
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  Speaker 5: Barbaric governments are capable of, And then for, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Donald Trump to kind of fetishise this slightly, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I do kind of have an issue with it, and
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  Speaker 5: I have an issue predominantly because I'm a parent. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we know that children are particularly vulnerable to psychological harm,
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  Speaker 5: and the fact that children could have an additional risk
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  Speaker 5: in viewing this And.
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  Speaker 6: It just being up there.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a television in your house?
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  Speaker 5: I do have a TV and I do understand that
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  Speaker 5: there's a VPN and I do understand that they can
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  Speaker 5: get around it.
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  Speaker 6: But I do think.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking, like, couldn't your son watch things that
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  Speaker 3: are harmful on TV? Of course.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think there's an extra element when this
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  Speaker 5: is a firing squad. It's an execution and they know
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  Speaker 5: that this is real and it's it's perpetuated by a
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  Speaker 5: Western country. So I do think that there's an extra
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  Speaker 5: element of risk there for our children to kind of
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  Speaker 5: see this. I think we're now allowing it to come
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  Speaker 5: into our democracy and our way of living.
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  Speaker 6: And I think it's tainting it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's my problem with this, right?
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  Speaker 3: We in the West have for the last 20 years
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  Speaker 3: been at war with radical Islam, but we don't want
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  Speaker 3: to admit we're at war.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll do everything to deny we're at war.
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  Speaker 3: The East Safety Commissioner wouldn't let us watch an alleged
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  Speaker 3: terrorist attack on a priest in Sydney. Can't let people
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  Speaker 3: see an alleged terror attack.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure she'll be against this as well.
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  Speaker 2: She'll certainly be against this.
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  Speaker 3: So we all have to pretend like nothing's going on
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  Speaker 3: while they put bollards up everywhere, while they have snipers
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  Speaker 3: and police with long-arm rifles. But we're not supposed to
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  Speaker 3: admit there is a massive problem in our countries. And
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  Speaker 3: then when we say, you know what, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: take dramatic action against this, then we're like, oh, but
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  Speaker 3: what about our mental health and this is not nice
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  Speaker 3: and we're going to fetishise death.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, we're taking a stand against Islam, radical Islam.
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  Speaker 4: Leave the barbarity and the fetishism of death to the barbarians.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 4: Let the terrorists, they can have that fetish of death.
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  Speaker 6: We have to be better.
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  Speaker 4: They can broadcast their execution videos if they want to.
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  Speaker 4: I'd rather my kids didn't see those either. But that's
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  Speaker 4: what they do. That's not what we do. And that's
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  Speaker 4: the difference between us and them.
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  Speaker 5: And we also have to look at the whole thing
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  Speaker 5: about blowback, right? I mean, the whole thing about September
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  Speaker 5: 11th was blowback because of American foreign policy. The problem
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  Speaker 5: is when you do stuff like this, there is an
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  Speaker 5: element of blowback that inevitably happens in the Western world.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to say, well, you did that, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to get you back. And then it's just going to
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  Speaker 5: be tit for tat. I want us to be better.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so it's already two against one.
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  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Barnaby Joyce and make it three against one.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Barnaby.
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  Speaker 1: This is Roman amphitheatre stuff. No, I don't agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a broad consensus that if people, within
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  Speaker 1: their laws, if they believe that they're responsible for the
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  Speaker 1: deaths of others, therefore they've compromised their own rights, and
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  Speaker 1: it's a discussion for the American people to have. We
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  Speaker 1: don't have the death penalty in Australia and I certainly
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  Speaker 1: don't want any children or anybody, to be honest, to
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  Speaker 1: witness another human being being shot by a firing squad.
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  Speaker 3: Roman amphitheatre.
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  Speaker 4: If it makes you feel any better, I'll change positions
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  Speaker 4: so it's two all. You know what?
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  Speaker 7: I will.
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  Speaker 4: No, but you are not alone in this because whereas
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  Speaker 4: that might be Barnaby's position now, One Nation's previous position
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  Speaker 4: was to have a referendum on bringing back mandatory death penalty,
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  Speaker 4: not just for murder but for other offences like drug
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  Speaker 4: dealing and drug trafficking and... And I think child sex abuse,
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  Speaker 4: which actually I'd probably back. But, you know, so, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who share your views.
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  Speaker 3: Just quickly, because I've got two kinds of views on
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  Speaker 3: the death.
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  Speaker 4: Penalty, right?
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  Speaker 3: So if it's a criminal offence, I'm actually against the
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  Speaker 3: death penalty because for... every 100 Ivan Milats there's a
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  Speaker 3: Lindy Chamberlain. So that's why I'm opposed to it. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm in favour of it and even happy for it
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  Speaker 3: to be live streamed in this instance because I think
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  Speaker 3: this is what's been tried in a military court. This
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  Speaker 3: to me is an act of war on American soil.
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  Speaker 3: I think it falls into a different category. People may
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  Speaker 3: agree or disagree.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a really strong argument for that, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he should be martyrized.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and also I don't agree with you.
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  Speaker 9: At all.
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  Speaker 6: So moving along, One Nation... Is she.
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  Speaker 4: Staying all week?
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  Speaker 2: I hope not.
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing tomorrow?
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  Speaker 2: Something else?
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  Speaker 6: Apparently I'm not working.
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  Speaker 5: So One Nation, of course, are being accused of being
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  Speaker 5: racist by the ABC because the ABC... love to hate
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  Speaker 5: on One Nation and everything that they do. Now, you
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  Speaker 5: might have seen the ad that's been going around. It's
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  Speaker 5: the AI-generated ad, which there is a lot of conversation about.
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  Speaker 5: So let's take a quick, brief look at why the
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  Speaker 5: ABC's a little upset.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have been allowed into the country.
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  Speaker 5: So there is this conversation around, you know, someone who
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  Speaker 5: looks like they're from Arabic descent saying, you know, they
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  Speaker 5: shouldn't be allowed into the country while taking off a
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  Speaker 5: suicide bomber vest. And then you've got someone from African
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  Speaker 5: descent holding a machete saying they shouldn't be out on bail.
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  Speaker 5: Let's listen to what ABC Radio in Melbourne had to
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  Speaker 5: say about this.
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  Speaker 10: The AI generated ad. There's an African kid with a
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  Speaker 10: machete and a Middle Eastern bloke with a suicide vest.
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  Speaker 10: Why launch a campaign with a racist video?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I'm not accepting that it's racist. We do have
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  Speaker 11: problems with crime in the state. We do have problems
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  Speaker 11: with social cohesion and where it's coming from. So I
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  Speaker 11: don't accept the premise that it's racist. It is big
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  Speaker 11: issues that need to be addressed.
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  Speaker 10: Isn't it racist because you're judging people on the group
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  Speaker 10: they are part of rather than who they are as
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  Speaker 10: an individual? That's the definition of.
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  Speaker 1: Prejudice, isn't it?
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  Speaker 11: No, but would you complain if it was... a white-skinned
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  Speaker 11: person or a female with blonde hair, you know what
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  Speaker 11: I mean?
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  Speaker 10: Well, the only white people in the video are the
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  Speaker 10: people voting for One Nation in the video.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, so?
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  Speaker 10: So you don't think that video's racist?
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  Speaker 7: No, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: So this is a bigger conversation about what is racism
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  Speaker 5: in my mind and the conversations that we're allowed to
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  Speaker 5: have because I think when we look at having conversations
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  Speaker 5: that are nuanced... You have to be really.
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  Speaker 6: Cautious about how you do it.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to play into the hands of like everyone,
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  Speaker 5: everyone from African descent must be, you know, out there
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  Speaker 5: with machetes. And so they're being tarnished with the same brush.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they're being racist, but I do think
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  Speaker 5: it's being politically divisive.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think? I know what you're going to say.
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  Speaker 4: Go.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me what I'm going to say.
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  Speaker 6: They're not being racist.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you just said they're not being racist, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: agreeing with you.
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  Speaker 6: I'm in two minds on this one, right?
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  Speaker 5: Because I do think that there are elements of racism
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  Speaker 5: in there.
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  Speaker 6: I think you've got to be really.
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  Speaker 5: Cautious with how you portray certain members of the community.
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  Speaker 3: What's the element of racism?
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  Speaker 5: Well, they're basically saying they're tarnishing everyone with the same brush.
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  Speaker 5: By saying if you're from Middle Eastern descent, automatically you're
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  Speaker 5: going to be a suicide bomber.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't pick up that message at all.
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  Speaker 5: But imagine being of Middle Eastern descent and then this
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  Speaker 5: is up there.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine being a suicide bomber. Hey, some of us are white,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's racist to point out that there
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  Speaker 3: is a major problem with African young people committing crime.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm the parent of two African boys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. But everybody knows, including the African community in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 3: who've asked for help from the government.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Please help our young people who are being coerced into
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  Speaker 3: crime by crime gangs. So the African community themselves are saying, hey,
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  Speaker 3: We have an issue and it's a small number of
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  Speaker 3: people within our community, but it's an issue. And I
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  Speaker 3: think everyone knows it. It can't be racist to say
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  Speaker 3: what your own eyes can see. And let's be honest,
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  Speaker 3: no one is thinking of a Catholic nun in a
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  Speaker 3: suicide vest or a Buddhist monk in a suicide vest.
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  Speaker 3: If radical Islamists are something we're going to talk about,
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  Speaker 3: everybody knows what we're talking about. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: racist to say it. It is racist to say every African,
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  Speaker 3: every Arab, every Muslim, that's racist.
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  Speaker 2: Although Muslim is not a race, it's a religion.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not racist to point out this is typically
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  Speaker 3: what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 4: I think, firstly, you're absolutely right. I do believe that
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  Speaker 4: I think people from Sudan originally tend to be overrepresented
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  Speaker 4: in the crime statistics.
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  Speaker 3: 95 times more likely to be in custody than non-Sudanese.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. And so it's not the majority of criminals,
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  Speaker 4: but for a very, very small section of the population,
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  Speaker 4: they are overrepresented. So that's not necessarily racist. It's just accurate.
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  Speaker 4: But I would actually argue, even if it is racist,
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  Speaker 4: to use the ABC's term, that's because the term racist
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  Speaker 4: has become so, so ridiculously broad that it's actually kind
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  Speaker 4: of lost all meaning. And in a way, One Nation
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  Speaker 4: cannot really even talk about itself or its policies without
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  Speaker 4: being what the left call racist, because their positions are
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  Speaker 4: that we need to crack down on you know, immigration
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  Speaker 4: because there's a risk of people from certain backgrounds or
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  Speaker 4: extremist Islamists coming in and being a security risk or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: So they literally cannot talk about that if they're just
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  Speaker 4: going to say completely banal and beige stuff. The other thing,
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  Speaker 4: of course, is that the ad is actually quite clever
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  Speaker 4: in the way that it doesn't have a... And this
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  Speaker 4: is why... One Nation is really playing a new game
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  Speaker 4: here that doesn't have, they knew they couldn't have a
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  Speaker 4: white person saying refugees go home or, you know, you're
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  Speaker 4: a black criminal or whatever, blah, blah, blah. So they
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  Speaker 4: use AI to get the criminals saying it themselves. And
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  Speaker 4: it's that jarringness that makes it really, really funny, but
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  Speaker 4: also really, really sort of attention grabbing. And, of course,
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  Speaker 4: this is the final point, which is that the ABC
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  Speaker 4: is which always thinks that it's the smartest people in
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  Speaker 4: the room. And Raph Epstein, by God, he just loves
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  Speaker 4: to correct people and tell everybody what a smart chap
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  Speaker 4: he is. But here he is, as dumb as a
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: box of hammers, doing exactly what One Nation designed the
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: ad for.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Which is to give it attention for free, to tell
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: everybody who might happen to be listening to his show,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how many One Nation voters there may be,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Everything about this ad, anyone who's heard that who hadn't
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: seen that ad, what is the first thing they're going
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: to do? They're going to go run out and look
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: at it. And that's how moronic the ABC getting its
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: knickers in a twist is.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Did the effect the ABC have by saying, well, it's
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: racist to talk about any of these things? By the way,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: that stat I quoted about the Sudanese crime that was
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: published in the Herald Sun on October 2nd, But the
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: effect is you can't talk in specifics about crime. You
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: can't talk in specifics about terrorism because it's racist. But
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: if you can't address these things specifically, how do you
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: address them at all?
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: But that's not the problem I have.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I just think it misses the mark because what it is,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: it's addressing the person or the person that perpetuates so-called
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: crime as opposed.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: To addressing the actual issue.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Which is a government that has been soft on crime,
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: which is a government that has failed in every moment.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I think that's an issue, but I don't think that's... No, but, like.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I think that's kind of implied in the copy.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: No, but I feel like it's blaming people as opposed
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: to the actual root cause.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Of course you blame people for crime and people for crime.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Of course you blame people, but it's very generic in
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: its stance.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's actually.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Isn't the problem One Nation are being too specific and
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: not generic?
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: No, specific. I don't think they're very specific at all.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: I think they're very generic.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I know people in the Eritrean community in Melbourne who
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: are very concerned about Sudanese crime. So are they racist too?
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Everyone's racist.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: We're all racist. I wonder whose side is Raf Epstein
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: on in that argument? The Eritrean who's worried about the
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Sudanese attacking her babies. That'd be interesting. You'll also be
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: pleased to know, and I think we've got the clip here,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: but RAF has identified not just One Nation's ads as
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: being racist, but also Hawaiian shirts, or more specifically, Hawaiian shirts,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: which are misshirted?
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: No, we don't have it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: We don't have that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: Matt Canavan yesterday at the Conservative conference was mocking those shirts,
• 18:21
  Speaker 10: calling them Hawaiian shirts and bringing up the worst stereotypes
• 18:25
  Speaker 10: about the Pacific, saying it looked like they were on holiday.
• 18:29
  Speaker 10: So for a so-called alternative government to be making those
• 18:32
  Speaker 10: jokes about our Pacific neighbours after they didn't do a
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: great job in the Pacific, it's actually, that's a pretty
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: extraordinary thing for the leader.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Of the Nats to do.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: So, yes, Matt Canavan is also racist, or is it
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: just culturally insensitive? to make a joke about colourful shirts.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Lucky we got Raf on the beat. Like when he
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: took over Media Watch for those couple of weeks. Where
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: would we be as a society without him? And you
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: can tell he's an intellectual too, because just the glasses,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: the kind of quasi sort of proto Trotskyian beard.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: I am loving this beef that you have with Raf.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: I got beef.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: This obvious beef. We need to dissect this further.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: No, we don't. No, I'm just saying that as someone
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: who abhors racism, I've got a... I don't know about you, Raf,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: but I've got a sign that I carry around with
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: me that says, racism not welcome, just in case I
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: see someone wearing a Bulla shirt to make sure they
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: don't misname it as a Hawaiian shirt. And I think
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: that's what has kept, you know, the community so harmonious
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: in Raf's own hometown of Melbourne, where he is making
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: sure that it is such a safe environment for all
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: races to... colours and creeds, while at the same time
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: not being in the least bit insufferably smug.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: The other thing in Melbourne, of course, Joe, is car
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: chases and police. Oh, you think I've... I'm moving you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: on here.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, it seems we have to move on from my... Editorial. Editorial.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: But this is another, and I'm hesitant to offer a
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: view on it before I hear what Raf has to say,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: because his intellectual guidance is so critical on these complex issues.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: But teenage hoons and disqualified drivers are fuelling a decade-high
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: number of police pursuits across Victoria.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: The latest crime statistics reveal police pursued more than 1,123
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: dangerous drivers, all of nondescript appearance or skin colour, over
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the past 12 months, which marked a 12% increase. The
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: latest figure is up from 1,003 in 2025 and well
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: ahead of the 752 incidents recorded in 2024. So the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: million-dollar question is, is this too many car thefts or
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: too many pursuits? Are police being too liberal in putting
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the pedal to the metal and chasing down these quite
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: possibly Caucasian offenders? Or are they, in fact, just seeing
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: these huge amounts of car theft in Victoria? I didn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: realise there was a crime problem in Victoria, by the way.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: No, I know.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm shocked. This has all come as a
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: shock to me. I'm so shocked. So, you know, maybe
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: it's chicken and egg. But do you think... Given you're
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: such a fan of Grand Theft Auto, putting yourself in
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the shoes of the other side as an officer of
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: the law, do you think cops should be able to...
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: to fang it, to do whatever it takes to catch someone.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Well, in Victoria, they can if they deem it an
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: excessive risk. But I do think the problem is with
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: this data, and I tried to find more of it
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: and extrapolate the actual data, there's not a lot of
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: it in Victoria. So we don't know, like, what the
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: risks involve, the inherent risks in terms of, like, car
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: chases and so forth. Like, in New South Wales, they
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: had three fatalities last year because of car chases involving police.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Now, look, I think three is just too many.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I think there is an issue which does involve the
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: risk around police giving chase, and particularly if they're young offenders,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: because what are they going to do?
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: They're going to run.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: They put restrictions on Victorian police back in 2015 after
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: a 2013 inquest found 13 people had died in five
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: years as a result of police car chases.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: The question I had is how many of those 13.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: People who died... were the people driving the stolen vehicle
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: call me heartless, but that might change my attitude towards
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: police chases because if it's pedestrians or members of the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: public who are being killed, I'd probably be very concerned
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: about that. Every death is a tragedy, but you do
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: kind of feel if it's the person in the stolen
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: vehicle and they crash into a tree.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: That's not the police's fault. Correct.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So police are only in Victoria allowed to chase if
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: they deem that... there's a serious threat to public safety
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: already or a serious crime about to or in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: process of being committed. I think they should loosen things
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: up and otherwise too many people get away with crimes
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and they know that the police aren't going to chase
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: because it's a low-level crime.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: This is the more perverse thing, isn't it? So I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: a car thief. I know that the law in Victoria is,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: or the old law, if you like, is that as
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: long as, if the cops are on me, as long
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: as I can get to a speed of XXX above
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: the speed limit, they have to drop off. Or that
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: as soon as it looks like I'm dangerous or driving
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: dangerously or erratically or recklessly or whatever, they then have
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: to back off. So in a way, it kind of
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: gives me an incentive to say, right, I'll get this car,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I'll leg it like an absolute maniac and... I know
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that's the only way to get away. And in the meantime,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: if I hit a little old lady or plough into
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: a tree myself... But you do.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Need to weigh up the risk. Like, what's the.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Catching offenders or public safety?
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, what is the risk there? It's the risk
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: versus reward.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: I think at the end of the day, in my mind,
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: I'd much rather have a couple of kids getting off,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: you know, being caught than potentially putting people at risk.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Could we consider the fact that the risk... is not static.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: For instance, the risk at the beginning of the police chase.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Have thought and process.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The risk at the beginning of the police chase
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: may increase or it may become less, depending on the
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: behaviour of the person in the stolen car, for instance.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I think we should empower our police officers to make
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and use their own discernment in terms of public safety,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: how serious the issue is, whether or not there's another
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: way of apprehending this person later on down the track.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Let them make those decisions on the fly. It means
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: trusting our police.
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: Yep.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: But I think that would at least put some indecision
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: in the mind of the car thief, for instance, because
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: they don't know what the police are going through.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: That's the thing. And again, if they know that all
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: they have to do is reach a certain threshold of
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: recklessness and the cops will back off, even if it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: a fluid situation, he could just think, right, I'm just
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: going to plough into this shopping centre and there's no
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: way they can they can follow me there because it
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: would endanger too many people. And if you think that
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: that wouldn't happen, you obviously haven't seen the Blues Brothers.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Indeed.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Right. On Friday, the Nobel Committee announced the winner of
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: this year's Nobel Peace Prize. It went to former UN
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Human Rights Chief and South African Navi Pillay.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: She's best known for last.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Year completing a contentious report finding Israel guilty of genocide,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: which is probably why She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Well,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to absolutely nobody's surprise at all, a senior Hamas official,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Bassem Naim, in a statement on Friday, called the Nobel
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: for Pillay a message of hope for Palestinians, especially in Gaza,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a message that humanity still resists the forces of evil,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: that would be Israel, targeting international justice. Now, Navi Pillay
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: has got form. Back in 2017, she declared Israel an
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: apartheid state. She supported the BDS movement. That's the Boycott,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Divestment and Sanctions Against Israel. And in 2021, she compared
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: modern Israel to South Africa when it was an apartheid nation.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: So it's fair to say she's a little bit biased
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: towards Israel. The fact that Hamas have applauded the Nobel
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Peace Prize, I think, says it all. If you're going
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to get a peace prize for pointing out Israel committing genocide,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Why did she get it?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't Hamas get it? They've convinced millions of people.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: She's just sitting on the sidelines writing about it. You know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Hamas are out there in the front line. Why doesn't
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the UN just cut through the red tape, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: cut out the middleman?
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: And let's not forget Iran. I mean, Iran's there doing
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: all of the work.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: They're like, they're the puppeteers and they're getting no thanks,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: no thanks.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: And look at the Houthis, their incredible supporting role.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure anyone's taken the Peace Prize since Obama
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: got it for... promoting the possibility of peace.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: That's right. Maybe there will be peace. Peace. I like
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the idea of it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, does anyone take these awards seriously anymore?
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Not anymore. Not anymore, right?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Which is a pity because it should be a great award.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: 100%.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Of course, famously, previously, the Peace Prize was awarded to
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Yasser Arafat and Itzhak Rabin, I think it was, at
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the same time.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, back in the 1990s.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: And they loved... And this is a UN which could
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: never quite... It's like, oh, we better not go out
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: on a limb and just give it to the Israeli guy.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: We better hedge our bets and give it to Yasser
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Arafat as well, despite his, shall we say, troubling background
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: in relation to certain aviation activities when the PLO was
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: at their peak. But, of course, they did the same
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: thing with Nelson Mandela. It wasn't just Mandela that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: gave the Peace Prize to. It was Mandela and F.W.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: de Klerk, the South African apartheid leader. who started winding
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: back the regime that he was a part of, that
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: he was within. And so the moral bankruptcy of the UN... Oh, is...
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, is Saudi Arabia still on the Human Rights Council?
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Just remind me.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Anyway, while we're talking.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: About moral bankruptcy, let's talk about the Albanese government.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's unkind.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: You remember that Anthony Albanese made a big deal and
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: even went to the United Nations to announce that Australia
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: was going to recognise the state of Palestine. Have a
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: listen to what he said when he told Australians he
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: was going to do this and some of the conditions
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: he was putting on the announcement.
• 28:36
  Speaker 12: This is an opportunity to deliver self-determination for the people
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: of Palestine... in a way that isolates Hamas, disarms it
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: and drives it out of the region once and for all.
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognises Israel's right to
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: exist in peace and security. It has committed to demilitarise
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: and to hold general elections.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: It's committed to hold general elections, Anthony Albanese said, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: he recognised them before they held general elections because you
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: can always trust a guy who has voted in for
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: four years, 20 years ago. Today it was announced, or
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: not today, but rather over the weekend, President Mahmoud Abbas
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: postponed what would have been the first Palestinian elections in
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: nearly 20 years, issuing a decree on Friday to further
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: delay voting for the Palestinian Legislative Council almost another year.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And you remember Hamas not only applauded the peace prize
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: at the weekend, but back when Anthony Albanese made that announcement,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Hamas applauded that as well. And, of course, they did
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: because it was obvious the Palestinian organisation were never going
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to do any of the things that they had promised.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Do you know why Abbas is postponing the elections? Because
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Hamas would win them. So he's from a different faction of...
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: the Palestinian movement, he's from Fatah, and he's been postponing
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: elections for, what, 10, 20 years now or whatever? They
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: just never had them. And that's because Hamas has been
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: such a growing force because of the way they operate
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: in the community and the way they sort of get.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Their Can I just say, this is something no one
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: wants to talk about. If it's true that after all
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: of this, Hamas would win a democratic election in Palestine,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: and then our government is taking refugees from Palestine. Now,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not besmirching any of those individuals. I'm simply saying,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: is it not risky in the extreme to take people
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: from a region where it's common knowledge and accepted that
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: most would vote for Hamas.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Herein lies the dilemma. It's not a dilemma, it's a crime.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: This is the thing. I mean, you know, do you hold...
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Are you so committed to democracy that you hold an
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: election even though you know more extremists are going to win?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And then, of course, you have that uncomfortable conversation. But, oh,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: it's not all Palestinians, it's just the evil terrorists. Evil
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: terrorists who, again, were voted in in Gaza the last
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: time there was an election way back when. So... I think, again,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: now this was what analysts and experts told me when
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I was in Israel with Ajak and when we went
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: over to the West Bank and met with the Prime
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Minister of Palestine. So whether that's changed now, I don't know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: But you don't hold an election or you don't not
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: hold an election if you think you're going to win it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: So the fact that he is not holding the election,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I think self-evidently shows.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: That he thinks that he can't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: And I think at the end of the day, if
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Hamas are cheering you on, you're definitely doing something wrong.
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Was this the left of fond of saying of everyone else?
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: It's the company you keep.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I think she should take the quote from Hamas, the endorsement,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: and just put it on the front cover of the book,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: like a little nice little blur.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't that great?
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Now, sticking around in the Middle East, the Houthis have
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: been a bit of a problem for Saudi Arabia. Riyadh,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: once again, second day, they've faced bombing at the international airport.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: One person lost their life today. Yesterday, it was 13. Now,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: air travel is emerging as a dangerous front line in
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: global conflicts. Now, we've seen it happen time and time again,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: particularly in the Middle East. A lot of people now
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: are changing their travel plans.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: They're going via the US.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: If they need to get to Europe because they just
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: don't know whether they can get through the Middle East.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: It's becoming incredibly volatile.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Israel itself, a lot of people are getting stuck in
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Israel or just wondering when they can go visit family.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: It's a tough situation to kind of be in. And
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: now we've got Smart Traveller, the US government, saying that
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: you need to avoid travel if you're Australian through the
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: regions of the Middle East.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: Particularly in Saudi Arabia.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know many people who are intending
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: on holidaying in Saudi Arabia or even the fine capital
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: city of Riyadh.
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: Myself, I.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: You used to live in Saudi Arabia?
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: My parents lived in Saudi Arabia, but they're in Jeddah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Did you live there?
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: No, but I was there for a couple of months. Now,
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: let me tell you.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: When you went back there, did you call it Return
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: of the Jeddah?
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: LAUGHTER That's what I did, of course. Well done, you.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Look, it's a very interesting place. You do have to
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: wear an abaya and fully cover.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Up as soon as you get there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: So what's an abaya?
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: An abaya is like the full coverings.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: And then when you're there, there's matawas, the religious police,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: who walk around. And if you are showing, as a female,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: if you're showing any leg, they will come around and
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: whack you.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, no warning, just a whack.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: No warning that you will get whacked.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: When you say leg, like... Like, just.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: Say if my buyer didn't go down to the floor
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and a Matawa religious police saw me as a white
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: person showing a little bit.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: Of leg, they will whack you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: They had daily beheadings in what the white people called
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: Chop Chop Square.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Were they live streamed?
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: They were live streamed because you could actually go to
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: them live.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: But, look, it is a very interesting place. Now, look, granted,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: that was probably 20 years ago now. I think things
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: have changed.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: But I think.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: I don't imagine a lot of people wanting to travel
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: to Riyadh. I mean, Riyadh is a little less progressive than, say, Jeddah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Even just the general.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, the general area, like the United Arab Emirates?
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: It wasn't... Yeah, I mean... All those crossovers there in
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Dubai and... You know, Qatar.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, Dubai itself is, like, really facing a huge issue.
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: A huge issue because, like, a lot of people have
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: to go through Dubai.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: They had their whole big plan. I mean, I think
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: it was Dubai that we went through on our way
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: to actual Israel before October 7, which tells you how
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: much things have changed.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: The great irony, of course, is I, having been to,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you've been to Israel.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Have you been to Israel?
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: No.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: No, not yet. It's on my list. I was actually
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: meant to go, but because of the war, we couldn't go.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I was there in about 2017, and so I would
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: happily go to Israel again.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I felt very safe in Israel.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Apparently it's... But I would only fly, after what we've seen,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I would only fly on the National Israeli Airline.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't fly on any other airline to Israel.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Stop over in Bangkok. Well, you stop in Bangkok, then
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: you get on, is it LL, the Israeli airline?
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: I remember travelling on that airline and every passenger got
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: pulled aside. And I reckon it was like a 10-minute
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: interview with officials. Why are you going to Israel? What
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: are you going to be doing there, et cetera, et cetera?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: They took it very seriously.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: They take their security pretty seriously. With good reason.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: But also after the takedown of that alleged hijacker, I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: want to always fly with.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: An Israeli next to me.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Always. Are you Israeli?
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Please sit next to me on this plane.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: It's almost like you should pay more for a seat
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: next to an Israeli passenger.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: Do you want a window seat, aisle seat or Israeli?
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: I'll take the Israeli. Thank you.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Speaking of which, our old friend Josh Frydenberg, speaking of takedowns.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: You know what, Josh? We're not going to have time
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: to talk about that. We're going to have to go
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: to a break.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Heartbreaking. So I can't even get to say that I'm
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: going to his book launch tomorrow. I have no time
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: for even that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: He has a book. Joe is going to Josh Hildebrand's...
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Josh Hildebrand's?
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Pretty much. You're going to Mr Frydenberg's book launch tomorrow
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and you can tell us all about it tomorrow night.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Right now, though, we're going to a break. When we
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: come back, we'll look at what's making headlines in tomorrow's papers.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back to the program. There's some great
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: stories in tomorrow's papers, so we'll have a look at
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: them now, starting with the Australian, Michelle.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: Yes, definitely. On the front page, we've got this one here.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Kind, generous child rapist wins leniency because of deep connection
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: to country. Now, a revered community leader who showed no
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: remorse for a campaign of rape and sexual abuse he
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: wreaked on four young Indigenous children has had his sentence
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: reduced because of his significant.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: Connection to country.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: and commendable attempts to keep his culture alive. Jeffrey Allen
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Brown was found guilty of abusing the children aged 10, 11,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: 13 and 14 over six years in Port Hedland until
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: one of his victims, a small boy, found the courage
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: to stand up and declare him as his abuser. Until
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: that day, the Hedland Aboriginal community in WA, which has
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: been the focus of a growing child protection scandal that
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: had gripped the nation, considered Brown a shining light in
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: their town. I mean, this just keeps getting better, doesn't it, really,
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: with the Oz?
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And this would actually be, I don't know if illegal
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: is the right word, but courts are not allowed to
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: do that anymore in New South Wales because there has
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: been so much outrage. There was outrage over a white,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: non-Indigenous child sex offender, and a judge basically said, look, OK,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: you did sexually abuse children, but other than that, you're
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: a pillar of the community. And the whole... aforementioned community
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: was so outraged. They should be. Anyone, let alone a judge,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: could say, oh, yes, you sexually abused children, but on
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: the other hand, you know, you helped little old ladies
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: across the street or you gave so much to the
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Rotary Club. I mean, it's unbelievable.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: This guy was being sentenced after being found guilty on,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I think it was 13 counts of rape. And the
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: judge said, you've done it tough since you were remanded
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: in custody. I accept that. You're a person who has
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: a significant connection to to your country, the relevance of that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: I don't understand. And then also, you know who else
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: has done it tough? Those children.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Those children have done it tough. How about we just
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: think about that next time? Moving on to another one
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: on the Oz, no end.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: To ALP spend.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Taxpayers on hook for slew of new pay hikes. Now,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: the Australian Tax Office has been accused of conducting a
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: covert raid on small businesses and families that use trusts
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: by cracking down on decades-old paperwork errors. As trustholders brace
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: for $ 13. 3 billion in advice and restructuring costs due to
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Tim Chalmers' looming changes, tax consultancy firms and accountants have
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: revealed the ATO has been ramping up its collections on
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: trust holders, unaware they had breached obscure tax.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Rules from the 90s.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Pointing to examples of a historic $ 47, 000 liability ballooning to
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: a bill of $ 890, 000 today.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: Look, the hits just keep on coming.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Don't we love, love it when Jim Chalmers gets involved in.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: The tax system.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, taxpayers are also going to be forking out, I think,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: $ 630 million for other public servants to have to cover
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of pay rises that are coming up
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: just around the corner as well. So it's just a
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: perfect storm, isn't it?
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Can I ask you a quick question, Joe, as
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the Labor insider on the panel?
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about that. As far as an insider,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: things might be quite different.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: The Labor insider with no influence whatsoever.
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Talk of Jim Chalmers being in trouble, is that just
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: scuttlebutt or do you think there's genuine.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: In trouble as Treasurer? I think certainly he was fated
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: to be the next Prime Minister. There is no way
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: on God's green earth that that's happening now. Whether or
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: not he actually gets rolled as Treasurer, I think you'll
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: find Albo, and it's one of the qualities of him
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I admire, he doesn't jump at shadows and he's very,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: very loyal. He picks and sticks. And so, you know, even...
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: with Andrew Giles, for example, as the immigration minister, where
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: it's clearly just the biggest stuff up, the biggest bungle
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: with all those, you know, criminal asylum seekers being forced
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: to be released into the community because the government basically
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: hasn't done its homework. I mean, that is about as
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: bad as it gets for a Labor government always fighting,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: you know, to prove that it's not soft on borders.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: And that was allowed to happen. And even then, he
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: was able to stay on until the next reshuffle. So...
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, and I also think a lot
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: of the measures that Chalmers is on the hook for,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't have been able to do without the approval,
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: at the very least, of the Prime Minister. So, you know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I think Albo is decent enough not to throw him
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: under the bus.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: I don't think there's many on the front bench who
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: are doing it well, to be honest.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I think that's.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Probably fair to say, Michelle. I think that is an
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: accurate political.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I got us off track.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: We've got to get.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, anyway, so we just heard about a massive
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: amount of public servants getting a massive pay rise. Well,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: it's not enough, apparently, because on the front page of
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: the Canberra Times, pay rumblings, that's as big as a splash,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: as close to a splash as you get in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Canberra Times. They've even used capital letters. Any other story,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: it's all lowercase, but if they think they might not
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: be getting a pay rise, oh, my God, it's time
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: to hit the panic stations. Staff census results show pay
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: satisfaction has dropped across the Australian public service as federal
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: bureaucrats wait to finally hear the Albanese government's payoff. Oh,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: thoughts of prayers.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: The audacity.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: The community and public sector union is calling on the
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: government to deliver a real wage increase. I wouldn't be myself.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: I can't even.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: It's not the time.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: It's someone in the private sector.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: It's really, we're not even getting anything above inflation. These
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: guys are getting stuff above inflation and.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: It's still not enough.
• 42:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Look, if you want my insider-ness... Yes... if I was
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: in government, I would be immediately putting a pay freeze
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: and staffing freeze on all non-frontline... Yes.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Mandatory.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: bill credit workers.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Call Albo, please.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Let him know. I'm sure he's working on it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of Joe Hildebrand's favourite newspaper,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: The Daily Telegraph.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Youth crime crisis. Killer kid was on bail.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Innocent Sydney dad allegedly stabbed to death by 13-year-old boy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: A young boy was on bail for carrying a knife
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: when he allegedly stabbed to death a Good Samaritan who
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: stopped to help a group of kids on his way
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: home from work. Senior police said the man was helping
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: a different group of youths when he was set upon
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: in a quote-unquote senseless situation. It's funny, this is the
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: sort of story you were saying before the program, you'd
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: think this would be the Herald Sun.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: Shocking, that's right. This is the sort of thing that
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: sadly you would expect to see in Victoria, not in
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: New South Wales.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: It's just so indescribable, particularly as a parent who has
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: a young child who is 13, to have the idea
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: that this could happen. And just going to the Herald
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Sun because it's not really the Herald Sun unless we
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: have a conversation about the AFL and AFL players who
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: just really aren't doing the thing that they should be
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: doing and that's just playing footy. So illicit substance crackdown
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: still months away as footy reels from new scandal.
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: Free pass on drugs.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: AFL players have effectively been given a free pass to
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: take drugs as the league's new illicit substance crackdown is
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: yet to be implemented almost seven months after being unveiled.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: It comes after two Carlton stars needed hospital treatment after
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: a weekend party.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: They're just not doing it right.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Must have been some party.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: The funny thing about this party is that there's the
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: implication that drugs were involved, but there's no.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: No-one's actually said what is.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: No-one's actually said it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: There's not, you know, drug allegations, but no-one's actually said
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: what the allegations are, because obviously very sensitive, still being investigated.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: At the moment, it's almost self-reporting when it comes to
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: drugs in the AFL. As of February next year, there'll
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: be two hair tests conducted at the end of each break,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: mid-season and end of season. And I think a hair test...
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: demonstrates whether you've taken drugs any time in the past
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: three months. So that will change.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: So expect to see a lot of careless AFL players.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: There you go, boys.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: No, man.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we do know one of them said that he,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: in fact, merely slipped in the shower while picking up.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: His toothbrush.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, was it his toothbrush? Yeah, he slipped on his
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: toothbrush and then hit his head on the soap rack
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: on the way up, which, frankly, happens to us all.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: So.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: Front page of the advertiser tomorrow, rising bills punch our
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: lights out. Financial stress in South Australian households has triggered
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: a surge in electricity and gas disconnections, prompting an ombudsman's warning.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Disconnection cases to the energy and water ombudsman jumped by 60%
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: in the past financial year, its annual report reveals. Ombudsman
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Sandy Canale said this was despite only a slight increase
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: in cases handled by his office. So there you go.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: The lights are literally going out. The power's going off.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Literally. All right, we're going to go to a break.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: When we come back, I've got a question for you.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Where do flamingos go in the middle of a hurricane?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: The answer is the bathroom. We'll show you after this.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Pop star Harry Styles has performed at Madison Square Garden where.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: He gave the audience a lecture.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: about respecting illegal asylum seekers. I'm not sure if I'm
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: more offended by that or by his legs.
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: I just want us to take a moment to think
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: about Russell Bell-Gowd tonight. And I want us to just
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: think and remember.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: To just look after each other.
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: It is up to us to make these cities that
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: we live in the places we want to see. It's
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: up to us to make the world.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: So he criticizes ICE and tells everybody you've got to
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: respect illegal asylum seekers. This is a guy who bought
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: four homes on the same street so he could spend
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: 18 million pounds building a compound for himself.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Give me a break and, by the way, put some
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: pants on.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: No, leave the pants off. A lecture.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Sign me up for a full-time thesis. Like, I want
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: him to lecture me any day of the week. He's
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: just saying spread the love, spread the joy.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: Like the rest of them.
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not offended. I didn't even know Zoran
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Mamdani could play the guitar. Anyway, over to the other
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: side of the USA. And Southern California has been absolutely
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: lashed by a tropical storm. Storm.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Waterfront.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: It is torn apart a. Sort of pier and seaside complex,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: as well as absolutely ripped into a whole bunch of
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: houses on the coast here. I think we've got some
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: footage of it. I'm told that Charlie Sheen was unhurt
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: in the incident, but it absolutely. Charlie Sheen. Doesn't he
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: live in Malibu?
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, it was an absolute shocker. Check out these scenes.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we're going to get this vision. Oh,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: here we go. Oh, there we go.
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, the poor rich people.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: They are beautiful.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: The poor rich people.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Give me a break.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: These people have got their family homes on the water
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: and they're actually being destroyed. Floods are just the worst
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: thing in the world because it just destroys everything.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know. My mum would still live in one
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: of those houses.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: If only they believed in climate change, right?
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Am I right, guys?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I'm joking.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I'm joking.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: I'm just stirring everyone up.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Look, speaking of hurricanes and floods and all the things
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: that could go wrong, there's Hurricane Isaiah made landfall in
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Panama City Beach in Florida. Now, there's some unusual group
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: of animals that really needed to get out of the
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: wind and out of the... Actually, we'll just call them
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: a flamboyance of flamingos. Who knew that that was the
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: word that you used for flamingos? Let's have a look
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: at them escaping in Zoo World to get out of
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: the hurricane.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: I love the flamboyance of flamingos.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't you feel sorry for the next guy
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: who had to use the bathroom?
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, really. I'm glad the flamingos are all safe
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: and well and everything.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that bathroom is done.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think. I mean, at the very least,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: you'd want to put a little bit of toilet paper
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: on the seat. For sure.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks for joining us on The Late Debate tonight.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun. We'll be back tomorrow night.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: But right now, James Morrow is hosting The Rita Pennehy Show.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Good night. See you tomorrow.