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The Kenny Report | 13 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Tonight, the US turns up the pressure on Iran,
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  Speaker 2: blockading the Strait of a Moor's from tonight. But Anthony Arbernezi, well,
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  Speaker 2: he just wants to wake up to world peace. Dave
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  Speaker 2: Shama and Peter Jennings join me. How roof racks are
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  Speaker 2: destroying the country, your government spending your money treating you
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  Speaker 2: like an idiot, moon landing conspiracies, anti Israel propaganda, and
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  Speaker 2: how social media is dangerously dumbing down public debate. Also
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  Speaker 2: the outrageous cost of net zero and the renewable energy transition,
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  Speaker 2: plus Sophie OL's worth, Gematon Uni and Caroline Drusso on
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  Speaker 2: how the ABC is spending your money too on advertising.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking uncertain in the Middle East tonight, as
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  Speaker 2: the ceasefire holds for now, even though the talks between
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  Speaker 2: the US and Iran failed. US President Donald Trump plans
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  Speaker 2: to blockade the Strait of Humus tonight, turning the tables
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  Speaker 2: on Iran, and he's made it clear that Iran cannot
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  Speaker 2: ignore US demands.
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  Speaker 3: I think Iranas in very bad yet I think they're
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  Speaker 3: very desperate. We had a meeting that less than twenty
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  Speaker 3: one hours. We understand the situation better than anybody, and
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  Speaker 3: Iran's in very bad yet.
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  Speaker 4: And just so you understand, Iran.
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  Speaker 3: Will not have a nuclear WAPID.
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  Speaker 1: We will not have There is.
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  Speaker 3: No way that they're going to get They still want it,
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  Speaker 3: and they made.
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  Speaker 4: That clear the other night. Iran will not have a
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  Speaker 4: Duclair weapons.
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  Speaker 2: The blockade will come into force at midnight and will
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  Speaker 2: increase economic pressure on around by blocking its oil exports.
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  Speaker 2: With the brutal islmust theocracy of Iran rakhals, the same
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  Speaker 2: regime that slaughtered tens of thousands of dissondents, that denies
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  Speaker 2: basic rights to women, that sponsors terrorism worldwide, and is
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  Speaker 2: working to acquire nuclear weapons. Well, with this regime remaining recalcitrant,
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations, wouldn't you know it, the UN has
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  Speaker 2: appointed Iran to another United Nations body, one that shapes
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  Speaker 2: policy on women's issues and human rights.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you couldn't make this stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: And Pope Leo has spoken out not against Iran, not
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  Speaker 2: against terrorism or.
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  Speaker 1: The pursuit of nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 2: No, he spoke out against war, a war he labeled unjust.
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  Speaker 1: Here's some of what he had to say.
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  Speaker 5: To reject war, especially a war which many people have
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  Speaker 5: said is an unjust war which is continuing to escalate
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  Speaker 5: and which is not resolving anything. In fact, we have
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  Speaker 5: a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis, situation in the Middle
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  Speaker 5: East of great instability, which is only provoking more hatred
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  Speaker 5: throughout the world.
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  Speaker 1: Quite extraordinary, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: The Pope speaks and his words would have been welcomed
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  Speaker 2: by the Islamist extremists of Iran.
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  Speaker 1: The President wasn't impressed.
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  Speaker 4: We don't like a pope.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to say that it's okay to have a
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  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon. We don't want a pope that says crime
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  Speaker 3: is okay in our cities. I don't like it. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a big fan of Bubblio.
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  Speaker 4: He's a very liberal person and he's.
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  Speaker 3: A man that doesn't believe.
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  Speaker 6: In stopping crime.
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  Speaker 3: He's a man that doesn't think that we should be
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  Speaker 3: coin with a country that wants a nuclear weapons so
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  Speaker 3: they can blow up the world.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not a fan of Bubblio.
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  Speaker 2: As for Australia, at this stage, we'll have no role
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  Speaker 2: in the blockade.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Anthony Albanesi.
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  Speaker 7: We've received no requests, and they've made this announcement overnight,
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  Speaker 7: and they've done that in a unilateral way, and we
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  Speaker 7: haven't been asked to participate.
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  Speaker 1: No requests.
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  Speaker 2: Why would the US ask Australia. Albanizi has been a
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  Speaker 2: hopeless ally to the US and Israel since October the seventh,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. He's been critical of Israel, he's abandoned
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  Speaker 2: it at the UN, breaking with the US and Israel
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  Speaker 2: on issues including recognition of the non existent state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, just a few days ago, President Trump had
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  Speaker 2: this to say.
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  Speaker 4: It's not just NATO. You know who Elston help us.
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  Speaker 4: South Korea didn't help us.
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  Speaker 6: You know who else didn't help us, or Australia didn't
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  Speaker 6: help us.
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  Speaker 2: So it's hardly surprising there was no request this time.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to wonder whether and now I like it,
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  Speaker 2: might actually offer to help. We are an alliance partner
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  Speaker 2: and this is a matter of global importance. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's not as if Albanezi doesn't think this matters.
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  Speaker 7: And what I want to see is to wake up
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  Speaker 7: in the morning and see that piece is broken out
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  Speaker 7: on a permanent basis that we have de escalation, that
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  Speaker 7: we have an end to a civilian loss of life,
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  Speaker 7: we have an end to loss of civilian infrastructure, and
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  Speaker 7: that importantly, the Strait of Homers is about to be
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  Speaker 7: open with freedom of navigation. That's what I want to
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  Speaker 7: see and that's what Australians want to see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that all sounds lovely, but you don't just wake
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  Speaker 2: up and wait for things to happen.
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  Speaker 1: If this is important, why wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Australia look to play a role or at least offer
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic support. The newly appointed Chief of Defense has made
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  Speaker 2: clear that we have the capability.
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  Speaker 8: We've got ten surface combatants right now, eight of the
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  Speaker 8: sea today. That Navy is as ready as it ever
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  Speaker 8: has been, and they are fitted with one of the
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  Speaker 8: most advanced radars in the world CEO radar and some
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  Speaker 8: of the most advanced missile and point defense systems in
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  Speaker 8: the world. Are they capable of performing the mission, as
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  Speaker 8: Emonal Johnson said last week, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's good to know.
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  Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister seems pretty keen not to get
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  Speaker 2: any requests.
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  Speaker 1: Listen carefully to him here.
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  Speaker 7: We haven't been asked to participate. We've received no requests
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  Speaker 7: that we haven't agreed to. The request we've received was
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  Speaker 7: for support for golf countries, particularly the UAE, and that's
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  Speaker 7: why we sent our wedge tail aircraft.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear that we've received no requests that we
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  Speaker 2: haven't agreed to. Well, in fact, it depends how far
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  Speaker 2: you want to go back, because in the post October
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  Speaker 2: seventh period, Australia under Albanezi has knocked back a request
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  Speaker 2: refusing to send a navy to help protect shipping and
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  Speaker 2: oil supplies out of the Red Sea Albanize. He said
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  Speaker 2: he had other priorities back then, and I criticized him
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  Speaker 2: for it.
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  Speaker 7: But this wasn't a request, to be clear, from the
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  Speaker 7: US government to my government.
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  Speaker 1: This was.
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  Speaker 7: A general request to a range of nations support support there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: The bottom line here is that the US asked us
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  Speaker 2: for a warship and we said no. This is pathetic
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  Speaker 2: and it's worrying. Weaker and weaker by the minute. Australia
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  Speaker 2: be afraid, be very afraid. Yeah, three years on, Alberanizi
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  Speaker 2: is weak and Australia is weaker as a result, and
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  Speaker 2: we're left as spectators at.
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  Speaker 1: The end of a very long supply chain.
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  Speaker 7: What we want to see is negotiations continue and resume.
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  Speaker 7: We want to see an end to this conflict. We
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  Speaker 7: want to see the straight up Homers opened for all.
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  Speaker 1: We want to see.
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  Speaker 7: Freedom of navigation as required by international law as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Pope, we want world peace.
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  Speaker 2: But who will stand up to the bad actors, to
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  Speaker 2: the warmongers? The US and Israel are doing that right now,
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  Speaker 2: And what.
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  Speaker 1: Are we prepared to do to help? Pretty much nothing
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  Speaker 1: by the.
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  Speaker 2: Looks, well, there is one thing the Prime Minister is
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  Speaker 2: keen to do. He's happy to act on something, he's
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  Speaker 2: willing to patronize you, to talk down to you, and
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  Speaker 2: he's spending twenty million of your dollars to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Pretending to manage a fuel crisis with this cringeworthy advertising.
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  Speaker 10: Simple actions like pumping up your tires, removing things you
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  Speaker 10: don't need from the boot, running more errands in fewer trips,
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  Speaker 10: and only filling up with the fuel you need can
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  Speaker 10: help make our supply go further.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, seriously, they're spending your money on TV and radio
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  Speaker 2: commercials to tell you not only that your problem, that
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  Speaker 2: you're part of the problem here, but that if you'd
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  Speaker 2: only learn how to handle your car it'll all be better.
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  Speaker 1: There's newspaper ads too, telling us to pump.
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  Speaker 2: Up the tires, get rid of the roof racks, don't
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  Speaker 2: have too much heavy stuff in the car, all to
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  Speaker 2: save fuel. How much fuel will this save? This is stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just idiotic, it's insulting and it's a waste
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  Speaker 2: of our money. I got to tell you, I'm a
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  Speaker 2: skeptic and I'm going to be a rebel. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to defiantly loave you for the roof racks on my
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  Speaker 2: diesel wagon. Hell I might even go full resistance and
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  Speaker 2: leave my.
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  Speaker 1: Golf clubs in the boot.
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  Speaker 4: Take that.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the lead of our great nation defending this inanity.
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  Speaker 7: I certainly spoke to someone last night who just getting
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  Speaker 7: out and about here in Canberra, who wasn't aware, for example,
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  Speaker 7: that taking the roof racks off your car will reduce
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  Speaker 7: the weight and reduce the fuel that you use. That's
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  Speaker 7: good for saving fuel. Guess what saves money as well.
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  Speaker 7: That's something they hadn't thought through. So these practical measures,
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  Speaker 7: every little bit does count and does make a difference
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  Speaker 7: fair income.
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  Speaker 1: This bloke thinks you're an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: Either that or Barnaby Joyce is a traded to the
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  Speaker 2: nation ask people.
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  Speaker 1: To remove their roof racks.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, we know that's where the problem lies.
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  Speaker 10: That it's those roof racks, Laura.
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  Speaker 11: They're just there.
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  Speaker 1: They're killing the country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, Anthony Albanezi. What an action man.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about the latest space mission around the Moon,
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  Speaker 2: the lunar landing from the sixties, conspiracy theories, the current
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  Speaker 2: strife in the Middle East, social media, and problems with
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  Speaker 2: politics in general. It's all linked, as I'll explain. First up,
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  Speaker 2: the good news. The latest NASA space mission was a triumph.
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  Speaker 12: Something about you senses, that is not the Moon that
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  Speaker 12: I'm used to seeing. And sure enough we got out
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  Speaker 12: our lunar targeting information and we matched up and we're like, yes,
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  Speaker 12: that is the dark side. That is something we have
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  Speaker 12: never seen before.
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  Speaker 2: At a time when we're preoccupied with violence and trauma
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  Speaker 2: on Earth, this space mission represented the best endeavors and
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  Speaker 2: ingenuity of human beings. When orbiting around the dark side
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  Speaker 2: of the Moon, these astronauts went further into space than
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  Speaker 2: humans have ever done before.
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  Speaker 1: Then, of course they safely returned to Earth.
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  Speaker 13: Biggarty splashed out, sending post landing command.
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  Speaker 14: Now splashdown confirmed from the pages of Jules Verne to
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  Speaker 14: a modern day mission to the Moon. A new chapter
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  Speaker 14: of the exploration of our celestial neighborhoods complete.
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  Speaker 2: And when we heard from the astronauts, it was fascinating
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  Speaker 2: to hear them talk not about the science, but on
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  Speaker 2: the life perspective this mission gave them.
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  Speaker 12: I fow myself, noticing not only the beauty of the Earth.
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  Speaker 1: But how much blackness there was around.
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  Speaker 12: It, and how it just made it even more.
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  Speaker 2: Special now while I was soaking up the wonder and
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  Speaker 2: excitement of all this, over the weekend, I noticed a
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  Speaker 2: social media post by the Hawthorne Footy Club that took
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  Speaker 2: up the lunar theme. It was pretty flippant, but it
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  Speaker 2: was also pretty disturbing.
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  Speaker 1: How many people have walked on the moon? Zero call me.
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  Speaker 11: More the three originals than the golfer plus the photographer.
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  Speaker 9: I was having this conversation the other night. It's not
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  Speaker 9: real half of this weekend? Did they walk on it?
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  Speaker 1: This weekend? They didn't go there?
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  Speaker 9: Just the one walked on the moons? One was a
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  Speaker 9: two lead, one a zero eric.
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  Speaker 1: But three Now is it they go the other day
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  Speaker 1: or what?
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's just a bit of fun with footy players.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they were joking. I hope they weren't, but perhaps not,
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps they really believe that moonlanding of nineteen sixty nine
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  Speaker 2: was fake. You see, if you peruse social media, you'll
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  Speaker 2: see these conspiracy theories seem to be getting more and
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  Speaker 2: more popular, and in fact, some studies show that conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 2: including about the moon landing, are growing, especially with young
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  Speaker 2: people informed by social media. This is deeply worrying young
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  Speaker 2: people in a digitt age where we have access to
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  Speaker 2: more information than we ever believe was possible, when we
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  Speaker 2: should be smarter than we've ever been. Well, instead of that,
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  Speaker 2: more and more people are taking up silly conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 2: theories that actually deny one of the defining achievements of
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  Speaker 2: human civilization. I'm yeah, such a great leap for humanity.
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  Speaker 2: Yet now in the social media age, we seem to
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  Speaker 2: be jumping backwards into a world of superstition and paranoia
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  Speaker 2: and rumor and conspiracies.
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  Speaker 1: Now there are a few reasons for this, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: And one of them is the way governments lied to
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  Speaker 2: so many people so blatantly as they locked us down
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  Speaker 2: and forced vaccinations on us during COVID, governments abused people's trust.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore fewer people want to believe anything from governments now.
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  Speaker 2: But more generally, I think this is the impact of
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  Speaker 2: social media, too many people being too lazy to read facts,
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  Speaker 2: to digest information, and instead being misled by idiotic memes
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  Speaker 2: on social media, or deliberate propaganda and malicious misinformation, the
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff that swarms around social media. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: this helps to explain something that's been troubling me for
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  Speaker 2: years now. How is it that so many people talk
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  Speaker 2: such hateful and incorrect rubbish about the Middle East? In particular?
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  Speaker 2: How is it that so many people in the media
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  Speaker 2: and public debate portray Israel as the aggressor. They denounce
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  Speaker 2: Israel constantly as the instigator of wars and either suggest
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  Speaker 2: or even accuse it outright of deliberately targeting civilians.
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  Speaker 1: How and why could they be so wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Take the war in Gaza, deliberately instigated by Humas, through
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  Speaker 2: its October the seventh atrocities, and through years of firing
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  Speaker 2: rockets deliberately and discriminately into Israel into civilian areas. This
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  Speaker 2: was a war constantly extended by Hamas refusing to surrender
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  Speaker 2: always using Palestinians as human shields.
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  Speaker 1: And even though.
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  Speaker 2: Israel created areas for safe passage, dropped leaflets, sent text messages,
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  Speaker 2: and did more than any army ever has done to
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  Speaker 2: warn civilians and move them away from areas it was attacking,
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  Speaker 2: the opposite was the impression generated in many minds, The
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  Speaker 2: opposite of reality took hold. The same is happening as
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  Speaker 2: we speak in southern Lebanon, where Hesbalah again started sending
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  Speaker 2: missiles directly targeting Israeli civilians, just like Aram keeps firing
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  Speaker 2: rockets directly at civilian areas in Israel. Yet the impression
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  Speaker 2: many people get is the opposite, that Israel is the
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  Speaker 2: aggressor and that Israel is targeting civilians when they do
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  Speaker 2: the opposite by attacking military and regime targets.
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  Speaker 1: Again, there are a few.
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  Speaker 2: Factors at play, of course, the usual anti US and
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel bias from the hardcore political left, and the
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  Speaker 2: lies and hatred pushed around by Islamist extremists, including Islamist
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  Speaker 2: governments and their proxies. But central to all this must
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  Speaker 2: be social media. The lies are pushed on social media relentlessly,
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  Speaker 2: and too many people, especially the young, actually inform themselves
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  Speaker 2: or misinform themselves by getting most of their information from
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  Speaker 2: social media, which is millimeter deep and often wildly wrong.
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  Speaker 2: This is deeply worrying. It explains so much that is
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  Speaker 2: wrong with political debate, both here and around the world.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if apparently educated people are prepared to believe
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  Speaker 2: the lunar landing was fake, or that Israel is the
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  Speaker 2: aggressor in the Middle East, then you have to worry
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  Speaker 2: that there is nothing they can't be made to believe.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps this also explains why so many Australians believe the
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  Speaker 2: lies about renewable energy being cheap and reliable, or that
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  Speaker 2: it can power modern economy. We live in a time
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  Speaker 2: of amazing technology and knowledge, but I'm afraid that, largely
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  Speaker 2: through social media, we are dumbing ourselves down. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to bring in Dave Sharma, the Shadow Assistant Minister
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  Speaker 2: for International Development, in just a moment, but before I do,
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  Speaker 2: I just.
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  Speaker 1: Want to share with you and a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of what.
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  Speaker 2: Our Prime Minister Anthony and Albertezi had to say today
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  Speaker 2: giving us advice, telling us about why the government has
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  Speaker 2: to spend twenty million dollars to tell us how to
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  Speaker 2: manage this fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 7: People filling up jerry cans and putting him in the
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  Speaker 7: back of utube filling up cars. That was a behavior
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  Speaker 7: that not only didn't help the situation, it also could
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  Speaker 7: be quite dangerous. To fill up your garage is a
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  Speaker 7: bit different filling up your garage with fuel as opposed
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  Speaker 7: to filling it up with toilet paper that we saw
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  Speaker 7: happen during the COVID pandemic. So these practical information is
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  Speaker 7: really important for people.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony albanezid he thinks we are so stupid he needs
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  Speaker 2: we need him to tell us about this sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Dave Shaman, our liberal senator new South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: Joins me on the desk.
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  Speaker 2: Dave, this is extraordinary, twenty million dollar advertising campaign telling
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  Speaker 2: people that they can save fuel by getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: their roof for ax or pumping.
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  Speaker 1: Up their tires.
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  Speaker 2: This is a political exercise, isn't it from albany'sy trying
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  Speaker 2: to tell us that the government's in control of the situation.
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  Speaker 15: I think they're trying to dress this up as an
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  Speaker 15: information exercise, but it's actually there to buttress the government's
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  Speaker 15: political credentials and trying to show that they are doing
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  Speaker 15: something on this when we know they've been behind the
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  Speaker 15: eight ball since day one. I'd also just make the point,
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  Speaker 15: I mean, two thirds of the liquid fuel we consume
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  Speaker 15: in Australia is diesel. This information campaign is all directed
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  Speaker 15: at motorists passenger motor vehicles. The real problem for the
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  Speaker 15: economy is going to come when diesel reaches greater levels
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  Speaker 15: of shortage, because that's what drives our trucks and powers
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  Speaker 15: our machinery and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get to the serious points of this, but on
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the politics of this, it's going to be counterproductive. Is
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that they're spending tax payers money that we all know
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: there's not enough of to try and pretend that they're
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: in charge of the situation. But blaming us basically we
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: need to be more fuel efficient, and the inane patronizing
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: stuff about pumping up your tires or whatever.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Surely that's just going to infuriate people. Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 15: I think this whole campaign is an insult to common sense. Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 15: you know, Australians know what to do. I don't think
• 20:43
  Speaker 15: they need to be told to pump up their tires
• 20:44
  Speaker 15: or drive a bit slower, or take public transport a
• 20:46
  Speaker 15: bit more or whatever.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: It might be.
• 20:48
  Speaker 15: I mean, look, the new Southwest government's putting on more trains.
• 20:50
  Speaker 15: That's a sensible reform if you want people to take
• 20:52
  Speaker 15: public transport. Putting this stuff down their throat over a
• 20:55
  Speaker 15: television advertising campaign, using their own dollars to do it
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: is just preposterous.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: It's extraordinary.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It comes, of course when Anthony Albaniz's going overseas again
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: this week. So he took his government jet overseas last
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: week and to Singapore. Did nothing really there, there was
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: no announcement, no intervention, It wasn't required. Singapore is going
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to sell us fuel when we need it as long
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: as they can get it, and it sounds like he's
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: going to do the same when he goes to the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: region this week.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:18
  Speaker 15: I don't really understand the point of these trips, because yes,
• 21:21
  Speaker 15: these countries are going to continue to sell it to
• 21:23
  Speaker 15: Australia if they can get the raw supplies at lease.
• 21:26
  Speaker 15: But the issue is are they going to keep getting
• 21:28
  Speaker 15: crude supplies from the Middle East? And you know if
• 21:30
  Speaker 15: they don't, none of these trips will make any difference
• 21:33
  Speaker 15: to what they're able to sell Australia.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Again, he's burning a lot of jet fuel to pretend
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: he's doing something because they'll sell us this fuel. We're
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a good customer and they'll sell it if they can
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: get it. Now onto the macro here, we've got the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: blockade coming in at midnight tonight. Anthony Albanezi very keen
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to point out that Australia has not been given a
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: request to be part of this. Now we knocked back
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: the US in twenty twenty three to join a similar
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: action to protect shipping in the Red Sea, should Albanizi,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: as a reliable alliance partner, actually be actively talking to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the US and perhaps finding out how Australia could be
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of assistance, given that the control of the Stralia hil
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: homals is so important to everybody, including Australia.
• 22:18
  Speaker 15: Well, I'm surprised at how little Anthony Alberinezi and his
• 22:21
  Speaker 15: ministers have engaged with the United States through this crisis.
• 22:23
  Speaker 15: I mean, he's spoken to the Chinese premiere, but he
• 22:26
  Speaker 15: hasn't spoken to the US President. I'm not aware of
• 22:28
  Speaker 15: Richard Miles having spoken to Pete Hegzeth or Penny Wong
• 22:31
  Speaker 15: having spoken to Marco Rubili in recent weeks. That's the
• 22:34
  Speaker 15: sort of thing that good allies should be doing and
• 22:36
  Speaker 15: saying where's this up to?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Where are you going?
• 22:38
  Speaker 15: How can we help, either diplomatically or militarily. Yes, we'll
• 22:42
  Speaker 15: always take decisions in our own sovereign interests if requests
• 22:45
  Speaker 15: are made, But we don't seem to have even an
• 22:46
  Speaker 15: understanding of what the US strategy is here, and as
• 22:49
  Speaker 15: a result, you know, we're just failing around.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what extends. It astounds me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: He's a spectator on these issues and so passive.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dove. I appreciate it. Thanks so much.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Dave shre wh's a shadow Assistant Minister for International Development.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Camber now and catch up
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: with Peter Jennings, who is a Sky newsed defense analysts.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: He joins us, of course from Parliament House. Peter, just
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to pick up on that thought that I was discussing
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: with Dave Sharma. Anthony Alberezi is very passive here, isn't
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: he He's just talking about whether he gets requests, watching
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: what's going on. He wants peace to break out, he
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: wants to wake up and their be piece. But shouldn't Australia,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: given our interests here, actually be proactive in at least
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: discussing the options rather than waiting for requests.
• 23:35
  Speaker 16: You'd think that's what an intelligent middle power would do,
• 23:38
  Speaker 16: because we certainly have a very direct strategic interest in
• 23:41
  Speaker 16: there being freedom of navigation through the strain of forms.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing to think about, Chris.
• 23:47
  Speaker 16: I mean, we have been desperately wanting to see the
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: Americans routinely go through the South China Sea to exercise
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: freedom of navigation, which the Americans have done on a
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: regular base, and now there's a need to see freedom
• 24:02
  Speaker 16: of navigation returned to the Strait of Homers and no
• 24:05
  Speaker 16: way is Australia going to be prepared to send a
• 24:07
  Speaker 16: ship to that region, even though we've had ships operating
• 24:11
  Speaker 16: in the Gulf for decades, frankly over most of my
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: defense career. So I think our government is failing to
• 24:18
  Speaker 16: act in our national interest, and the motivator seems to
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: be that they want to stay as far away from
• 24:23
  Speaker 16: Donald Trump as.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: They possibly can.
• 24:25
  Speaker 16: I think he's politically toxic and therefore they don't want
• 24:28
  Speaker 16: to do what is actually in Australia's strategic interest, which
• 24:32
  Speaker 16: is to make a contribution which we can do to
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: see the straight reopen.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, with that analysis, it's definitely it's definitely
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: driven by this Trump factor. It would be a different situation,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I think if someone else was in the White House.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: But our interests remain the same and the alliance should
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: be equally as important. I want to get your thoughts
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: on this move to essentially take over the Strait of Amors.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of factors in this. One of the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: course is to open it up to shipping to help
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the global economy and other nations.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But also if it's to.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Prevent Iran from exporting its oil, it's going to exact
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a very heavy economic cost on Iran. What are your
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: thoughts as to the motivation and the lightly outcomes of this.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Well. I think it's been.
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: Strange, to say the least, that over the course of
• 25:30
  Speaker 16: this conflict in the last six weeks, ships have moved
• 25:34
  Speaker 16: into and out of the straight Offormus when the Iranians.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Have been prepared to let them.
• 25:39
  Speaker 16: So that's been crude oil carrying ships going out under
• 25:44
  Speaker 16: Chinese ownership or Chinese crewing, and it's been Chinese goods
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: coming into Iran in the opposite direction. It seems strange
• 25:54
  Speaker 16: to me, Chris that the Americans have kind of been
• 25:55
  Speaker 16: prepared to allow that process to happen whilst every other
• 25:59
  Speaker 16: ship is waiting at anchor inside the Persian Gulf, hundreds
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: and hundreds of them to be let out. So I
• 26:06
  Speaker 16: think what we're hearing here is an American strategy which says, well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 16: we can stop those ships which the Uranians.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Want to see moved out.
• 26:13
  Speaker 16: That's going to do significant daily damage, worth hundreds of
• 26:16
  Speaker 16: millions of dollars.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: A day to the Iranian economy, and.
• 26:19
  Speaker 16: The Americans have the capacity to do that. Another example,
• 26:23
  Speaker 16: we know they've been able to stop ships coming out
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: of Venezuela smuggling oil against sanctions for the Russians, for example.
• 26:31
  Speaker 16: So I think it's another avenue of an American approach
• 26:36
  Speaker 16: which is not just about military operations, all designed to
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: put pressure on the Iranians to say, well, what can
• 26:43
  Speaker 16: you do in terms of opening up the wider straits?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: More broadly, you think, sorry, soy to interrupt. There's a
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: bit of a delay there. It sounds to me like
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: you think it's the right action, but you're wondering why
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: on earth they didn't impose this sort of blockade right
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: at the outset.
• 27:00
  Speaker 16: I'm puzzled they didn't do it sooner. And you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 16: the Americans certainly have the capacity to shut down the
• 27:05
  Speaker 16: cargo oil refinery which is where Iranian oil comes from,
• 27:11
  Speaker 16: not to destroy it, but simply to stop ships from
• 27:13
  Speaker 16: filling up with crude at that location.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: So let's try this.
• 27:17
  Speaker 16: I think it's another diplomatic move rather than a military one,
• 27:20
  Speaker 16: but you know, worth trying all the same.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, in the meantime, the cease fire presumably is still
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: in place. It was initially struck for a fortnight even
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: though the talks failed. What are the flash points here?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Do we fear that there could be a tax on
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: shipping in the Strata film.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Wars as well?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And also what capacity does Iran still have to inflict
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: damage on other targets in the region.
• 27:48
  Speaker 16: Iran still has significant capacity in the form of missiles,
• 27:52
  Speaker 16: although much reduced from where we were six weeks ago,
• 27:56
  Speaker 16: but they're still able to fire them, and they're still
• 27:59
  Speaker 16: able to hit fairly precise targets, and that could come
• 28:02
  Speaker 16: back again on the ceasefire. I find it a bit
• 28:05
  Speaker 16: puzzling that the reason the ceasefire was begun was to
• 28:11
  Speaker 16: enable peace negotiations, which have now been tried and failed.
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: And so I think sooner or later we will see
• 28:18
  Speaker 16: a return to conflict. Two things to watch for, Chris.
• 28:21
  Speaker 16: One will be further missile strikes. If the Iranians start
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: that again, I think it's back on. The second will
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: be revolutionary guard movement through the Strait of Wall moves.
• 28:32
  Speaker 16: Are they sending out fast boats for example, to go
• 28:35
  Speaker 16: after tankers again?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: If that happens, I think.
• 28:37
  Speaker 16: We're going to see a return to military operations quite quickly.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Peter, appreciate it. Peter Jennings there,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Sky News Defense Analyst. We've got to get to a
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: break on the other side, Aiden Johnson, Aiden Morrison will
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: join me. He's going to unpack the outrageous costs of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: net zero in this country and especially the renewable energy transition. Now,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: there was a pretty amusing story in the nine newspapers
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: over the weekend. Now the nine papers are pretty woke
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and green, as you know. And the funny thing about
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: this opinion piece was that a journo used an EV
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: for a camping weekend and the green dream turned into
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: a pretty annoying reality. Callum Jaspin borrowed an EV in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Melbourne and headed to Southwest Victoria, but was stuck queuing
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: for recharges here and there. It was past five pm
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: when we eventually rolled into camp, Jaspin wrote, to find
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: our group's tense set up and fire roasting, and several
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: beers already drunk. A four and a half hour trip
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: went beyond seven hours. Yeah, that's pretty frustrating, and he
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: mentioned it was a similar story on the way home.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: This is the sort of situation we showed you last
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: week with ques like this. In his article, Jaspin went
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to great lengths, however, to desperate lengths, really, to make
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: sure that everyone knew he was not bagging ev Whatever
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you do, don't bag evs in the nine papers, even
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: when you're effectively being let down by them. And the
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: kicker in the story was so typical of the Green left,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of course, was that the proposed answer here lies with
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: who with government and with more.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Taxpayers money apparently. Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Jaspin wrote that in September the Albanezer governed announced forty
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: million dollars towards expanding curbside and fast charging points, but
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: lines across the country on the easter to break, not
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: just in the southwest of Victoria, showed this isn't happening
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: fast enough. Yeah, the answer to their woes is you
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and me paying for more charges. I don't recall government
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: funding for petrol stations. I don't recall government subsidies for
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: my car. But the green left they want subsidized cars,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: subsidized electricity, and government funded charging stations. I pointed out,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I wonder at at what point that they'll work out
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: that if this ev kaper is so good and affordable,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: then people should just.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Pay their own way.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: For more on that zero and the energy transition. Let
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: me bring back to the program, Aidan Morrison, the Energy
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: program director at the Center for Independent Studies.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Aidan.
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: Great to be a Chris.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: There's been a lot of debate in the media across
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: various media about the cost of the renewables transition. I've
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: written about it myself, for I knows. Robert gott Bliebs
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and has talked about it being a three hundred billion
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to three hundred and fifty billion dollar project that, with interest,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: costs and time, will rolled out to be a trillion dollars.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I used AI to get to a figure somewhere north
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: of two hundred billion.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Why can't we Why wouldn't the governments actually put a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: figure on everything they're spending on this.
• 31:55
  Speaker 17: Look, it's one of those things where the initial plan
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: is done with just a concept. They'll say, oh, a
• 32:00
  Speaker 17: simple transmission line here, how hard can it be? And
• 32:02
  Speaker 17: you know, Central West i Rana is the perfect example
• 32:05
  Speaker 17: of this. It's meant to be a new renewable energy
• 32:07
  Speaker 17: z own. They've set a single loop and a line,
• 32:09
  Speaker 17: and then a few years later, when they've done what
• 32:11
  Speaker 17: I call the coloring in and realize that all the
• 32:13
  Speaker 17: different companies that want to build a solar farm and
• 32:16
  Speaker 17: a wind farm, they actually want a lower voltage feeder
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: line to go right into every one of their clusters.
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: They need synchronized synchronous condensers to stabilize the frequency, a
• 32:25
  Speaker 17: whole bunch of switching stations. Once you finish that process
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: and build it out to something that actually is going
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: to work, you end up with something that's in this case,
• 32:32
  Speaker 17: about eight times the cost. And when I look around
• 32:35
  Speaker 17: at all the other projects, they have barely started the
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: coloring in process, which is why the Central West Irana
• 32:40
  Speaker 17: zone paints a pretty bleak picture of where this is
• 32:43
  Speaker 17: going to go.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: So the bottom line is that the cost is incredible.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: We are talking minimum of three hundred and fifty billion
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: dollars northward of that, and there's no net benefit for
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the countries.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: We get nothing out of it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: The only benefit supposedly is reduced to which won't do
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: anything to the environment anyway, because.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Global emissions are going up. So how do you justify three.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty two one thousand billion dollars for.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: No net game.
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: I can't see how you do that at all.
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: Like the story always was, the grand political bargain was
• 33:16
  Speaker 17: we need to do this for the environment, But just
• 33:19
  Speaker 17: in case you weren't sure about that, this is also cheaper,
• 33:22
  Speaker 17: all right, So you could not possibly have any argument
• 33:25
  Speaker 17: against this. And there's a whole bunch of name calling
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: and saying you've got to be a climates and iron
• 33:29
  Speaker 17: et cetera if you're arguing against renewables, but actually been
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: totally vindicated that the government has basically just up the
• 33:35
  Speaker 17: ante and reinvested and doubled down, saying bigger and more
• 33:39
  Speaker 17: and faster renewable energy at every turn, and it turns
• 33:42
  Speaker 17: out when it actually comes around to delivering it, it
• 33:44
  Speaker 17: costs a massive amount more than there was before, and
• 33:47
  Speaker 17: so we get the same electricity at a much higher
• 33:50
  Speaker 17: price the end of the day, and that is just
• 33:52
  Speaker 17: against It's damaging our productivity. It's absolutely driving inflation. It
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: is every economists worse nice mere to pay a higher
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: price for the same product, which is exactly what's going
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: on with this energy transition at the moment.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: It is such a worry.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It has to be the worst policy decision in this
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: nation's history. It has to be the worst active national
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: self harm you could ever imagine, because, as you say,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: with the increased costs, we've already seen whole industries disappear,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of jobs, and therefore,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: in the future our economy is going to be stifled
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: by how higher electricity prices.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Cheap energy is.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: What's waspent was buttresses the emergence of our economy, But
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: what about the opportunity costs along the way That three
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty plus billion could have been spent on
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: other things, Those industries could have been kept here with
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: cheaper power. We as a country, we are always going
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to be poorer because of these crazy decisions.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: I'm slightly optimistic.
• 34:49
  Speaker 17: I don't think they could continue down this path even
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: if they tried. If you look at some of the
• 34:53
  Speaker 17: absolute eyewar watering projects like New England. I just talked
• 34:57
  Speaker 17: about Central wester Round in our five and a half
• 34:58
  Speaker 17: billion New England is two hundred and ninety kilometers of
• 35:01
  Speaker 17: five hundred kV line. Central wester Ruana is ninety all right,
• 35:04
  Speaker 17: so triple the size, higher capacity. These projects simply won't
• 35:09
  Speaker 17: be able to continue. So I think we're going to
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: stop there. But you're absolutely right think we're going to
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: wake up.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: You think we'll actually wake up and get back to affordable,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: reliable energy.
• 35:17
  Speaker 17: I won't be affordable and reliable, but they are already
• 35:19
  Speaker 17: rolling back so New England that you know, they break
• 35:21
  Speaker 17: it into stages and they realize they're only going to
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: commit to the first stage, and so slowly they'll walk
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: back and try to peel off the additional bits that
• 35:28
  Speaker 17: were sort of proclaimed by politicians that said we've got
• 35:30
  Speaker 17: to up the anti So it won't be able to
• 35:32
  Speaker 17: do it. It's almost financially impossible. But absolutely think about
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: the opportunity cost all of these super funds and everyone
• 35:38
  Speaker 17: else sort of holding back saying, oh, we need to
• 35:40
  Speaker 17: get a high return, but we can't quite go into renewables.
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: They should be putting their money.
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: Into productive, actual assets that the country needs, rather than
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: trying to follow the sidechist follow the political mantra and
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: pour their money into things that aren't producing anything of valuable,
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: producing the same stuff at high cost.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: One bloke who sounds like you will never wake up
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: on this stuff is the Climate energy Chris Bow and
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: listen to him talking about how the current fuel crisis
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: is only convincing him and others to double down on renewables.
• 36:08
  Speaker 13: In all my discussions with my international colleagues energy and climate,
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: there isn't one country in the world that said, you
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: know what this fuel crisis reminds us is we need
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: more fossil fuels. That conversation is not being had anywhere
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: around the world. In fact, our countries around the world
• 36:24
  Speaker 13: are saying this underpins and underlines the need to keep
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: going with things like electrification and ensuring renewable energy is
• 36:34
  Speaker 13: an important part of the mix going forward.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Look, he contradicts himself.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: This is when his own prime minister has been going
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: around the region trying to make sure we can still
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: get fossil fuels.
• 36:44
  Speaker 17: And obviously a whole bunch of countries, particular the United States,
• 36:47
  Speaker 17: are saying exactly, let's drill more.
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: We do want more fossil fuels.
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: So I think this is just a complete departure from
• 36:53
  Speaker 17: reality when you think about how much energy is in
• 36:56
  Speaker 17: a barrel of oil, which we consume a million of
• 36:58
  Speaker 17: per day.
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: Trying to we would have to sort of three or
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: five x.
• 37:01
  Speaker 17: What we've currently planned on paper to replace all our
• 37:04
  Speaker 17: oil with electrified things turned into e fuels they call them.
• 37:09
  Speaker 17: It is just beyond fantasy, even in a country with
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: lots of land, and the costs we're just learning now
• 37:14
  Speaker 17: what that really costs.
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: Absolute nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: They're so frightening. I hope you're right.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Some people somewhere are starting to wake up to all
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: this AID and I appreciate it. Aid Morrison there from
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the Center for Independent Studies.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: We'll go to a break again.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll head to London and then
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: we'll catch up with the latest pro Palestinian protests there.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Many many arrests, don't go away.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: We'll go to London in a moment, because more than
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: five hundred people were arrested there after a Palestine Action
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: protest in the city set.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: To take a look at one of the.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Arrests the way.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Let's got a News Corp Europe correspondent and sky On
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: News contributor Sophiel'sworth live from London.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again.
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  Speaker 2: So these protests ever ugly, but five hundred arrests. Is
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: this a change of tach from police or were these
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: protests was particularly egregious.
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: Brus This is a real problem for the police force
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: because there's been thousands of arrests since this terrorized terror
• 38:29
  Speaker 18: organization was deemed unlawful. But we do know that there
• 38:34
  Speaker 18: was a challenge in court, it was appealed and overturned
• 38:38
  Speaker 18: and now the government are challenging this again. So there's
• 38:42
  Speaker 18: a backlog of people who have been arrested supporting Palestine action.
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: And yesterday we saw many people out there, a range
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: of people, young people, old people being arrested and really
• 38:53
  Speaker 18: just jamming up the police system and now the court system.
• 38:56
  Speaker 18: But the court systems in limbo because it's un clear
• 39:00
  Speaker 18: whether or not it's illegal or legal because it is
• 39:03
  Speaker 18: being challenged in court. So they caught you will of it, Chris,
• 39:07
  Speaker 18: But it's a mess for the police force and for
• 39:10
  Speaker 18: the court system.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Middle East and the blockade. Here's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: what Donald Trump has told Fox News.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: We have highly sophisticated underwater minesweepers, which are the latest
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: and the greatest, but we're also bringing in what traditional minesweepers.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: And so I understand is the UK and a couple
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: of other countries are sending minesweepers.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: You mentioned mind sweepers from the UK, SOPHI. Yet the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: UK seems keen to not get involved. What's going on?
• 39:41
  Speaker 18: Well, that's right. The UK government issued a statement by
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: a spokesperson yesterday Sunday Local Time saying that they would
• 39:49
  Speaker 18: not be involved in this directly. And we know that
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: Donald Trump is at loggerheads now with Secure Starmer. They
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: normally get on quite well, but in recent mind, since
• 40:00
  Speaker 18: this war broke out between the US and Iran, he's
• 40:04
  Speaker 18: accused Britain of not assisting as a key ally. He
• 40:08
  Speaker 18: said they have not been there for the US and
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: he's quite angry about this. So there's very frosty relations
• 40:14
  Speaker 18: between the two leaders. And we do know, Chris that
• 40:18
  Speaker 18: that state visit is coming up with King Charles to
• 40:21
  Speaker 18: the US soon and at the timing could not be
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: more crucial. Given the relations between the two allied countries
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: are not great at the moment.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Indeed, just briefly, Prince Andrew watch there's been some reporting
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: of his old lodge on the Windsor a state.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: He's got everything out of there. It's empty for the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: next resident.
• 40:44
  Speaker 18: That's right, Chris. We know that he was booted out
• 40:47
  Speaker 18: of there by his brother earlier this year and it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: now just a vacant big house that no one lives in.
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: So I'm sure that we people lining up in the
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: Royal family wanting to live there. But he's also moved
• 41:00
  Speaker 18: from wood Farm to Marsh Farm at Sandringham, a stake.
• 41:03
  Speaker 18: But we've seen very little of him bar a few
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: photos at sandrag Ham of state, because we know he
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: remains under police investigation. And this remains a very sore
• 41:13
  Speaker 18: point for the Royal family who cannot escape the bad
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: headlines with Andrew Mountbatton, Windsor absolutely not.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: We've got a couple of royals or former royals heading
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: to Australia tomorrow. We'll chat about that later in the program.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sophie, appreciate it. Sophie's with there
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: in London. Bloody good joint there on the windsor of status. Now,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: given the Australia are into this monarchy, is the King
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: of Australia as well, Maybe we should just keep Prince
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: hand Andrew's old house for visiting Aussies.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: We can all get a week in there.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: At some stage we're going to have a break. On
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the other side, the panel will joined me one of them. Well,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I'm keen to hear what Jimma and Caroline think about
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: this twenty million dollar advertising spend, the government treating us
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: like absolute fools. Let's get into the panel now, gematon
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Uni is bad back.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And Carolinders joins us again from Perth.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Again, let's get your thoughts first up on the on
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: these ads, Caro telling us.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Get the roof rax off the car.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Give me a break.
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: Terrible, isn't it. It reminds me of the days when
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: we had sprinkler days depending on the last number of
• 42:25
  Speaker 11: your house. And it's just that that micromanaging of our lives.
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: The roof racks made me laugh. I mean, most people
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: don't drive fast enough Chris for their roof racks to
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: create any meaningful drag that would affect their fuel consumption.
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: How about the government just does its job and stop
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: making their inaction on policy our problem.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I would really like that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 11: I'm sure others would too, because we're all paying for this.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Chris and Sprinkler days were useful because you're running out
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: of water. Let's have a look at the TV version
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: of the ad before I go to.
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: The global fuel shortage is affecting everyone and we all
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: have a part to play. Your simple actions like pumping
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: up your tires can make our fuel supply go further.
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: For more tips is a fuel plan dot gov dot
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: au authorized by the Australian Government Canberra GEM and.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Toon Yini, have you done your bit for the country?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Have you pumped up your tires?
• 43:20
  Speaker 19: I let them down a couple of PSI just to
• 43:22
  Speaker 19: make a point. Look the fact the most offensive part
• 43:25
  Speaker 19: of that ad to me, apart from the cost of
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: it and the fact that it's even in existence. They
• 43:29
  Speaker 19: have a smiling farmer, a smiling farmer with a kelpie
• 43:34
  Speaker 19: in the tray, as if like I'm just merrily going
• 43:37
  Speaker 19: along because my government's got me covered.
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: The bush is.
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: Hurting more than the metro area and it's not just
• 43:44
  Speaker 19: oh inconvenient. I might not be able to do the
• 43:46
  Speaker 19: things I want to do or go to the holiday
• 43:49
  Speaker 19: I want to go on. This is mission critical existential
• 43:52
  Speaker 19: stuff for our regional communities and fact that whichever advertising
• 43:56
  Speaker 19: agency was commissioned to do that.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: There it is again.
• 43:58
  Speaker 19: They've got people in the book bush merely carrying on
• 44:01
  Speaker 19: as if their lives and livelihoods aren't on the line.
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: What an insult.
• 44:05
  Speaker 19: Another example of the fact that this government doesn't care
• 44:07
  Speaker 19: how it spends our money. Should we be surprised one
• 44:10
  Speaker 19: hundred million bucks for that Bureau of Meteorology website.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, those happy, go lucky farmers are living an
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: eye on the half while the rest of us haven't
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: pump up and take off our roof racks.
• 44:22
  Speaker 19: Imagine having to rely on diesel in the bush and
• 44:24
  Speaker 19: having that kind of insulting thing come across your TV.
• 44:28
  Speaker 19: It's actually to use the language that the political left
• 44:31
  Speaker 19: love to use. It would be deeply triggering if I
• 44:34
  Speaker 19: was in the bush right now.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: It's so patronizing. It's just the worst. It is just
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the worst.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Let's go to one nation in Pauline Hanson, though I
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: just don't understand this. She had a bloke working in
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: the office who was a convicted rapist, so yesterday she
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: fixed that he's Pauline Hanson.
• 44:52
  Speaker 20: He did his time and he came out. He was
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: working in the office, and actually in the head office.
• 44:58
  Speaker 20: He works with a former federal play officer. No concerns
• 45:01
  Speaker 20: about it. I've had no concerns raised by the other
• 45:04
  Speaker 20: female staff, no concerns by me whatsoever. Now he was
• 45:07
  Speaker 20: trying to get on with his life with his wife
• 45:10
  Speaker 20: and he's two small boys to provide for them.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: What now, Caroline, Pauline seems to be aggrieved that she's
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: had to remove this.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Bloke from her office. Has she got an argument?
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: Well, look like with anything, once someone has served their time,
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: you know. And I'm a Catholic, so I believe in
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: I believe broadly in second chances. But I'm not quite
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: sure that such a senior role in a political party
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: is the appropriate place for that. And Chris, we all
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: know that there are facts, but in politics it's all
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: about perception, and particularly when you're taking, you know, very
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: strong positions on things like law and order and otherwise.
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: I think it becomes a little bit difficult when you
• 45:58
  Speaker 11: start to have those sorts of people in your employ
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: because you know, people then start to wonder whether you're
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: you know, the real deal about what you say or
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: whether it's whether it's just you know, politics. And I
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: know Pauline has blamed other people for playing games around
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: this and playing politics, but you know, the simple fact
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: of the matter is, Chris is people are going to
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: look at this and if Pauline wants to be taken
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: seriously as more than just a fringe political party, she's
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: going to have to pony up and be a bit
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: more accountable, just like all the other major parties are
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: otherwise trot off back to the fringe.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Let me just show everybody a little bit more of
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: what Pauline hands had to say.
• 46:43
  Speaker 20: Hap now that Sean's gone, that you will concentrate on
• 46:48
  Speaker 20: any druggies pushing their drugs in Parliament or any members
• 46:51
  Speaker 20: of Parliament whose husbands may have been drug dealers. I
• 46:54
  Speaker 20: hope you go after them with the gusto that you
• 46:57
  Speaker 20: have with this instant man after his But he's not innocent.
• 47:01
  Speaker 20: He did his time there.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: She is obviously a reference there to Tanya Plibosex husband,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a senior public servant in New South Wales who was
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: convicted of dealing in drugs.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Way back in the day.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Jemmy, you had employed many people in your business over
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the years, would the conviction for rape rule them out
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: of a position in your office?
• 47:21
  Speaker 19: God put me on the spot, Chris, Thankfully, I've never
• 47:24
  Speaker 19: been in that position. Look, you'd have to factor in
• 47:27
  Speaker 19: so many things.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Cheap as I've employed a lot of poplar the years.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I would have thought you always look at references and referees.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I would think, no, thanks, Why would I expose other
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: people to that?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
• 47:38
  Speaker 19: I mean, look, the obvious answer is no, right, sorry.
• 47:41
  Speaker 19: Yes to no is sorry. I'm doing my best work here, obviously.
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: But the thing that Caroline said and that Hanson touched
• 47:48
  Speaker 19: on is you serve your time, right, And this then
• 47:51
  Speaker 19: opens up the conversation about hierarchy of seriousness of crimes. Obviously,
• 47:56
  Speaker 19: breaking and entering rape, it's a very different thing. I
• 47:58
  Speaker 19: have a predominantly female workforce, so obviously the answer would
• 48:02
  Speaker 19: be no. It's like it's like a church community I
• 48:05
  Speaker 19: used to be part of, and my old pastor used
• 48:08
  Speaker 19: to say, someone's done their time doesn't mean that we
• 48:10
  Speaker 19: let them serve in the children's church. And I think
• 48:12
  Speaker 19: that is a really good example of what Caroline just
• 48:15
  Speaker 19: said and what I've been trying to articulate clumsily.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Obviously, Yeah, it's you. People have to move on with
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: their lives.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: But with a conviction of that sort of crime you
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: were thought, it rules you out of positions where you're
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: dealing with people issues and.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of other people at the time deal with people.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Well exactly, yeah, very very difficult. Let me go to
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: speaking of jobs, here's a.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Woman who's got a very important job, first woman ever
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to head up the nation's army. Her name is Susan Coyle.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Much play made out of this today that she's the
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: first woman to be a chief of Army in Australia.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I'll get your thoughts on that first, but before I do,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I just want to see use something from Victor Glover.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Who was an Africa African American astronaut on this.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Lightest Azemus mission. I said, he's really good on this
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: d stuff.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 49:07
  Speaker 21: Young brown boys and girls can look at me and go, hey,
• 49:09
  Speaker 21: he looks like me and he's doing what and that's great.
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: I love that. But I also hope we are.
• 49:14
  Speaker 21: Pushing the other direction that one day we don't have
• 49:16
  Speaker 21: to talk about these first, that one day this is
• 49:18
  Speaker 21: just and I listen to this, that this is the
• 49:22
  Speaker 21: human history.
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: It's about human history.
• 49:24
  Speaker 21: It's the story of humanity, not black history, not women's history,
• 49:27
  Speaker 21: but that it becomes human history.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't read o'clock either. Sorry, we're right out
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: of talk, so sorry Ziver and Carolyn. But he's right.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: You just want it to be be human history. And
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: congratulations to Susan corl.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: On heading up the army.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: But in the end, there's just another person running the army.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night at five o'clock is Peter Kreidlin.