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Mega Edition: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 7-9) (5/21/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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where we left off with the Touvin Noel deposition given
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to the OIG investigators. Question, all right, so when he
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wasn't there, would any other lieutenant come visit the shoe? Noel?
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When they make rounds? Question? Okay, when they make rounds?
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And do you remember if that person was the acting
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or the operations lieutenant or the activities lieutenant, the person
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that would do those rounds? Noel, I don't know. Question.
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You just knew that they were a lieutenant. Noel, yeah.
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Question okay, So would you even be provided that information
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where there's a duty agent roster? Is that something that
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would be like, hey, it's up. If I need to
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get in contact with somebody, I can look at that
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roster and see who is where. Noel. No just call
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the lieutenant's office. Question, just call the lieutenant's office. Noel. Yeah.
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Question okay, And I believe you answered this. But did
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you have any communication with Lieutenant redacted regarding Epstein at all? Noel?
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No question. So he never provided any special instruction with
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Epstein Noel, No question. And you never Lieutenant redacted never
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told you Epstein was required to have a cell mate
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in the Shoe? Noel, no question. Do you know who
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operations Lieutenant Carlos redacted was from August ninth? Do you
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know that individual? Noel, yes, question, But as the operations lieutenant,
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you don't know that he was responsible for overseeing the
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shoe on August ninth, twenty nineteen, Noel, I don't know. Question.
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Did you have any communication with Lieutenant redacted regarding Epstein
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being housed at the MCC or in the Shoe? Noel,
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no question, he never did. Did Lieutenant redacted ever provide
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you with special instructions with regard to Epstein? Noel, no question.
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Did Lieutenant redact did ever tell you that Epstein was
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required to have a cell mate while he was assigned
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to the Shoe, Noel. No. I'm going to ask you
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these questions with a couple of people, So I just
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want you to like really think about those people. And
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they're going to be repetitive, because I know you can
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just simply say I didn't have any communications, but I
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want you to really think about the individual and any
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communication that you would have had with that person with
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regard to Epstein and the Shoe and your assignments, okay? Noel? Okay. Question,
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who's Lieutenant David Medina? Noel a lieutenant question a lieutenant.
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By looking at the official roster, was he on it
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on August ninth? Noel, no question. Do you know if
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he was physically present at Do you recall if he
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was physically present on August ninth? Noel, No, I don't recall. Question.
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He was reportedly on sick leave. I just want to
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make sure that he wasn't there. Noel. Okay. Question, so
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you don't recall having any communication with him? Noel? No question?
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All right? And did Lieutenant Medina ever provide you with
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special instructions with regard to Epstein? Noel, no question. Did
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Lieutenant Medina ever tell you that Epstein was required to
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have a cellmate while he was assigned to the shoe, Noel,
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no question. And then this is who we were just
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referring to. Who was senior officer specialists redacted? Noel? An
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officer question? And on August ninth, was she acting lieutenant
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responsible for overseeing the shoe? Noel. I don't know if
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she was responsible for overseeing the shoe, but I know
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that she was acting lieutenant. I don't know for the
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whole building question, but you said that she conducted around Noel,
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she did. Question okay, So if she conducted around, would
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that lead you to believe that she was probably Hey,
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lieutenant redacted isn't there? So she's conducting the round here.
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She's probably got oversight over the shoe. Oh, I don't know.
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It could be another lieutenant also, I don't know. Question Okay,
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did she visit the shoe on August ninth, twenty nineteen, Noel, Yeah,
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she did. Question? And what time was she on duty
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on August ninth? By looking at the roster, can you
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tell Noel? It says eight to four question. I think
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it would just be that first page. Is that August
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tenth or nineteenth or ninth? Excuse me, Noel, this is
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ninth question. It just says eight to four pm. Noel. Yes. Question.
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Can you check on the lieutenants calum up top? Noel?
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Indiscernible question is their name? It should be under activity
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as lieutenant Noel? Oh, yeah, for to midnight? Question for
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to midnight? Okay, so you knew that. You do recall
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having an interaction with her. Did she have any communication
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with her redacted. We're talking about now with regard to
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Epstein being housed within the MCC or the Shoe, Noel,
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no question. No. And did she provide you with any
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special instruction with regard to Epstein? Noel, no question. Did
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SOS ever tell you that Epstein was required to have
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a cell mate when he was assigned to the shoe, Noel,
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no question. Okay, Now we're going to go onto some
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staff members. Who was president in the shoe when you
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worked in the shoe on August ninth, twenty nineteen. So
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you said that you were there from four to midnight
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on August ninth, Do you recall who was there? Noel?
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Redacted and redacted. Question just redacted and redacted. When you
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arrived to the shoe? Was anybody else there? Do you
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recall replacing Noel? I don't remember who I relieved redacted?
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Do you know redacted? This whole next part's redacted? Noel? Yes?
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Question all right? And redacted? Noel, yes. Question. Were either
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of them in the shoe on August ninth, twenty nineteen,
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Noel redacted? Question redacted? But while you were there not redacted? Noel.
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I don't remember, but I remember redacted because he spoke
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to me redacted. Okay, So Redacted and redacted are the
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people that you remember that were in the shoe Noel yes.
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Question okay. And you said that you remember Redacted speaking
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with you, Noel, yes. Question about what? Noel? He told
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me you placed Epstein in the shower to use the phone,
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and he called and told me to take the phone
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from him. Question, can you give me a little more
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detail on that? What do you mean? Noel? So, because
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she gets cut off, just walk me through. This is
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one of those ones I'll ask you to explain a
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little more. Can you just from start of the conversation
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to what you did with Epstein to the finish Noel okay.
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So Epstein stays in attorney conferences all day, so I
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guess when it's time to use the phone, he's not present.
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So when he came upstairs, redacted gave him a phone
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in the shower to use the phone, and then Redacted left.
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He called on the phone. I happened to answer, and
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he said, hey, can you take the phone from Epstein
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because the time is up? So redacted. So when he
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gave him the phone, he left, and no one else
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was present with Epstein while he was on the phone, Noel,
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No nobody was there. Question do you know that that
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to be a legitimate practice? Noel, I mean it's the shoe,
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so yeah. Question So is no one supposed to be
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because the shoes recorded? Mind? Noel, I don't know. Question,
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So you don't know if someone is calling from a
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non recorded mind are you supposed to take notes of
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that call? Noel? I don't know. Question do you know
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if you're supposed to log the telephone call in any
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kind of logbook? Noel? No question. Okay, so your understanding
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is redacted gave him plugged in the line, gave him
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the phone and then left Noel. Yes, question no one
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was there to monitor redacted? Okay, so Noel cuts him off.
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We were in the shoe, but nobody was monitoring him.
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Question how far away from you was he when he
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was making this call? Noel, He was on g tire
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and like that's far from the desk? Question approximately do
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you know how to like he gets cut off by? Noel?
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I don't know. Question is it like from here to
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like that fire extinguisher over there or is it further Noel? No,
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maybe from the wall by the EC over there? Redacted? Okay,
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so approximately twenty five feet Noel. Uh huh. Question. Could
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you hear his conversation from there? Noel, no question. And
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were you asked to listen to his conversation Noel, no question.
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Prior to placing the call, did or redacted speak to
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you at all? Noel, no question. So just after he
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placed the call, he called you, and what did he say? Noel,
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He said to take the phone from him because the
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time was up. Question. Do you know how long you
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was on the phone, Noel, no question. Were you watching
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him while he was on the phone, Noel, no question.
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Was it abnormal for an inmate to be out by
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himself on the phone in the shoe Noel, no redacted.
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So they can just freely, that's not an abnormal circumstance, Noel. No,
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because he wasn't free. He was in a cell. He
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was in a cell on the phone, but he redacted.
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Oh so he was in a cell Noel, Yeah, but
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he was. He was in the shower because the jack
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where a cell is, the jack didn't work, so he
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was placed in the shower to use the phone there.
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But the shower is like a cell. Question. Okay, so
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was the door closed? Noel, Yes, so he was in
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the shower area. He was by himself. Noel. Yeah. Question,
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where the shower's running, Noel, no question. He was just
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placed there at a call in the shower, Sell closed
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behind him. It was approximately twenty five feet from you.
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But you didn't hear anything, Noel, no question. And he
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didn't he didn't instruct you, Noel, no question. Did you
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ever experience that prior to that instance where an inmate
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would do that in the shoe Noel. Yeah. If they
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have to use the phone and where their cell is
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it's not working, they place them in there because you
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have to plug it in close to where they can
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have access to the phone redacted. Okay, So in their cells,
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do they have cell lines that they can typically call from? Noel,
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no question. Are the inmates provided anything to be able
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to make calls? Noel, no question. Some kind of card
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pass or number or like something to be able to Nicole? Oh,
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like a pack and yeah. Question. Okay, can you explain
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what that is? Noel? I mean, I don't know too
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much about it. I just know that they have the
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pin that they can use to use the phone. Question Okay,
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do you know if Epstein had that pin to use
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the phone, Noel, I don't know. Question, but specifically with
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regard to the shower having an inmate call from the shower,
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have you ever experienced that before? Noel? Yes. Question When
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was the last time you had experienced that prior to
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August ninth? Noel. If the jack is not working, the
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jack that's closest to their door. If it's not working,
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then it's being plugged at the bottom where the shower is.
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You place him in the shower just so they can
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reach the phone redacted. And do you know if that's
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an authorized practice? Noel, I don't know. Question okay, And
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did you ever place anybody in the shower to do that? Noel?
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No question, No Noel, no question. Who typically does that? Noel?
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The officers question? Okay, but not you, right, Noel, no question.
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Would you ever allow inmates to place calls you personally? Noel?
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When I come on, they have already like got their
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phone calls. Question? Oh, okay, so it's not typically one
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of your responsibilities, Noel, No question. What was unique about
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the situation with Epstein Noel, Well, I guess because he's
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always downstairs, so they made an exception for him to
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make a call. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
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right here, and in the next episode we're gonna pick
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up where we left off. All the information that goes
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with this episode can be found in the description box.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back
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in to the Tovin Noel deposition that was given to
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the OIG inspectors. Question, Okay, do we need to take
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a break, mister Foy, do you need to use the
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bathroom or anything? Noel, no Foy, We can continue. Question okay, great,
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all right, So what were redacted as instructions? You said
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that his or he his time was up. So how
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much time is he allotted? Noel? I don't know. Question.
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Do you know how long he was in the shower? Noel?
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I don't know. Question, you don't know. Was it like
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five minutes, ten minutes? Noel? It wasn't five minutes. He
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was in there for maybe thirty minutes redacted twenty minutes? Okay?
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And where was redacted? Noel? He was gone. Question like
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left the shoe altogether? Noel? Yeah. Question, so he placed
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him in the shoe and he left. Where did he
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call you from in order to say to get the
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phone from him. Noel, Uh, a phone in the building.
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I don't know where because it doesn't say where, Like
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the phone rang and I answered, and he just told
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me to take the phone from Epstein his time is up.
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Question is that weird to you at all? That he
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again he gave someone a phone, put them in the shower,
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and then he left. Noel, no question. That's not weird, Noel.
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No question. But without providing anybody. Did you know if
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he provided anybody instructions prior to him departing the shoe, Noel,
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I don't know. Question you don't know, Noel, no question.
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Who else was in the shoe with you at that time? Noel?
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Redacted and redacted. Question and did you recall when around
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that took place? Noel? Like the time? Question? Yup, Noel,
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It had to be around after eight pm, because that's
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the time he comes back from attorney conference. Redacted. Okay,
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so around eight pmsh. Noel, after question after a PMSH Noel, yeah.
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Question Okay, are you able to look was redacted assigned
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to the shoe when he gave him his phone call? Noel,
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no question. Where was he assigned. That's fine. Do you
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know what redacted why redacted went to the shoe in
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the first place. Was he escorting Epstein back from his attorneys? Noel,
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I'm not sure. Question. So you don't know the reason
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why he actually entered the shoe, Noel, No, I don't know. Question.
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Do you remember if he walked into the shoe with
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Epstein and immediately placed him into the shower area or
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do you think that he went and retrieved Epstein from
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it cl Noel, No, he didn't retrieve him from it. CL.
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He came in and he said that he was going
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to give him a phone call. Question. So he was
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with him at the time, Noel, Yeah, and he placed
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him in the shower. Question. So do you recall then
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if he walked in the shoe with Epstein? Noel, I
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don't know if you walked in with him but after,
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because you could come in and he could have been
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there's a holding cell there. That's why I'm saying I
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don't know. And then he came in after with him.
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But from that door to the shower he walked in
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with redacted. Question. Okay, so Epstein wasn't in his own
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cell Noel, No, question, He could have potentially been in
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a holding cell. Noel. Yeah. Question all right, but you
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don't know who brought Epstein back there, Noel, No, because
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somebody could have brought him up and then so I
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don't know. Question. Okay. Now, in order to get into
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the shoe, though, either you redacted or redacted had to
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open the door. Do you remember who opened the door
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on that day? Noelh Well, I don't know. Question it
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was not you? Noel, No question, okay, And I'm sorry
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you may have said this, and I do apologize. What
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time did I redacted and redacted work there until Noel
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redacted was four to twelve and redacted with two to ten? Question? Okay?
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And what was the hierarchy with the three of you
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that were present at the time. Is there someone that
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was in charge as an officer in charge or how
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does that work when you're working together with those two
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other individuals? Noel, I don't know who was in charge.
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We just kind of worked together that day. But I
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don't know as far as who is the she gets
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cut off? Is everyone considered equals when you're working together? Noel. Well,
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I'm the newest person there, so I don't know how
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long they've been there, but she gets cut off by
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the investigator. Does then when you work with someone else,
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is it based upon how long they've been with the bureau? Well,
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no question. I know you're saying you're the newest, so
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you might ask them questions. But is there like when
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there's three of you in there, is there someone that's
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supposed to be in charge? Are you all equally? He
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gets cut off by Noel. On the roster, it'll say
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who is supposed to be in charge? Question? Okay, so indiscernible, Noel,
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But that doesn't mean necessarily that's not necessarily the case
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question on the roster on August ninth, of those three people,
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who does it say should have been in charge? It's
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on the first page. It's on the first page if
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you look all the way to the left redacted seeshoe assignments,
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and then you can look over to the right and
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see their names. Noel, I'm looking for redacted. I don't
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see that question? Really quick? Can I just show her
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how this reads? Redacted? Absolutely? Noel? Oh, I see him here?
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Question by the union rep. Oh. Sorry, most of what
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they're asking you would be on page one and page two, right,
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So these are your shifts, and these are your posts.
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And then these are the people who work that shift too.
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If morning watch three six to two, six and eight
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is day watch, this is the PM twelve to eight,
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two to ten, and this is all your evening watch.
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This is like a person with the day off, sick leave,
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so on and so forth. These things I don't believe
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apply to their question because these are all the changes
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that took place on the roster. Question. Most everything is
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going to be on the first page. Question again, but
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from somebody different. Yeah, so this can be a little
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bit confusing and it probably doesn't apply to the stuff
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that they're asking. Mister Foy, So how does she determine
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who's the boss, because that's the question? Noel? Yeah, Union Rep.
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So this these positions will tell you who is in
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position for the shift. I don't want to answer the
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question for you, But when you look at the shoe, Foy,
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can you show her where the answer is on the paper? Here,
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shoe one, that's your oice, Noel, Okay, question straight across
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shoe two. Shoot three is your six to two, two
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to ten, and shoe four is straight across. Right, So,
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for example, shoe four was vacant on evening watch. And
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then this is showing that redacted was shoe number one
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for the evening watch shift. Noel, and this one what
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time redacted? Shift three is six to two Noel. Oh, okay, redacted,
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and then shift ten is two to ten Noel. Okay. Question,
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thank you very much for that assistance Union rep. Uh
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huh Noel. So basically on this it would have been redacted. Question. Okay,
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redacted would have been in charge because he was shoe one. Noel. Yeah. Question,
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and do you know what shoe one means? He was
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the officer in charge? Noel. Yes. Question what is shoe
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two and shoe three represent? Are there different duty responsibilities?
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Duty and responsibilities based on if you're shoe one, Shoe two,
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or shoot three? Noel. I just know whoever the number
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one is would be the person in charge, but as
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far as two and three, I don't know the difference
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in responsibility. Question. Now, in the time that you worked there,
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did that actually play into anything if someone was shoe
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one or shoot shoe two or shoot three. Noel. No,
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because we're always short staffed. Question. Okay, so that would
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mean that like if the person shoe one, even though
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on paper they're the officer in charge, they're actually not
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providing orders or anything. Everyone's equally Noel cuts them off
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doing what they need to be question okay, so everybody
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basically has the same job responsibility Noel, Yeah. Question okay,
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So you don't look to someone as the actual officer
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in charge, Noel, I do because I don't know, so
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not not necessarily the officer in charge, just whoever that
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I'm working with. Question okay? And what was your I
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don't know this may have just answered that, but what
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was your role in the shoe on August ninth, twenty nineteen.
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What shoe number were you miss? Noel number two? Question
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number two? Like again, you don't believe that actually provided
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you with a different responsibility that shoe won or shoe three? Noel,
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No question? Okay. And what conversations did you have with
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shoe staff that you worked with on August ninth regarding Epstein?
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Noel none question. So you said that one was with
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redacted Noel. Yeah. Question correct. With regard to the phone call, Noel, yeah. Question.
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Now try to put yourself back then. Any other conversations
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at that point with regard to Epstein, Noel, No question.
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Any follow on to when he said, get off the
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phone with Epstein. Noel. No. When he said to get
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the phone, I got the phone when I spoke to Epstein.
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Question okay, And what was it that you spoke with
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Epstein about? Noel? I was told that your time is
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up and I have to take your phone and he
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said okay. Question okay. And did redacted say to then
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place him back in his cell? Or was that understood? Noel? No,
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that was understood. Question. And is it that what you did? Noel?
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I didn't place him back in the cell. I went
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to the bathroom upstairs on ten. Question okay, Noel. And
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when I came back, he was placed back in his cell.
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Question okay, So what did you do? You went to
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the shower and just instructed him through the door Noel, Yeah.
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What to hang up? Noel? No? I told him that
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what I was told that his time was up and
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I have to take the phone in and he said okay,
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and then he handed me the phone. It's like a slot.
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Question okay, and then you walked away Noel? Yeah. Question
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and he just stayed there and waited Noel, Yeah. Question
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and then who brought them from the shower to his cell? Noel?
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I don't know. Well, it had to be redacted and
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redacted because it takes two people to move them. And
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I went to the bathroom redacted. Okay, So you used
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the restroom at the time that he was to be
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transported back to his cell Noel, yes. Question okay. And
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did you have any conversations with the individuals after they
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placed them? Before or after they placed them into the cell? Noel,
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no question. Did you instruct them? Hey, I just took
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the phone from them. Can you place them back in
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his cell? Noel? Yes question. Okay, So you did talk
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to them about that, Noel. I said I was going
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to the bathroom and he hasked to go back to
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his cell. Question. Okay, that was the extent of it, Noel,
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that was the extent of it. All right, folks, we'ren
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to wrap up right here, and then the next episode
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dealing with the topic, We're going to pick up where
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we left off. All the information that goes with this
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episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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off with the Toba Noel interview with the OIG inspectors.
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Question all right, and again we've briefly talked about him,
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but redacted Noel. Yeah. Question do you know if he
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worked that day? Noel in the morning? Question and to
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replace him? Noel? Redacted? Question redacted Noel, because he works
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six to two and redacted comes in at two to ten. Question, Okay,
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so when someone gets replaced, do they typically give a
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briefing like so would and I apologize about the name,
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but redacted? Would they would he typically be responsible to
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provide redacted with information so that he, you know, with
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regard to what happened on his assignment, so that he
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can utilize that for when he's not replacing him. Noel,
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I don't know. Question does that make any sense? Noel?
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I mean, I don't know if he's typically required to,
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but I guess if there's information to give, he would
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give it to him. But I don't know if he
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has to question Okay, and during your time, was there
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any conversation with any information that redacted gave to redacted
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or passed along for replacements? Noel? I wasn't there at two.
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I came in at four, but nothing was told to me. Question,
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so redacted never informed you or redacted in your presence Noel,
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no question. Okay, So there was no discussion for Epstein
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to be reassigned to a cellmate, Noel, no question. And again,
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you didn't even know that his cellmate wasn't there, Noel,
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wasn't there? Question? Okay? And should you have known that
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his cellmate wasn't there? Noel, I don't know. Question. So
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when you're doing the rounds and conducting counts, wouldn't that
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be when you would know if someone was with or
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without a cell mate because you said only one other
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person there didn't have a cell mate, correct, Noel. But
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people move all the time when you're in the shoe.
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Like let's say, if you did something and you're in trouble,
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so you're in the shoe, you could be sent back
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to your regular unit. So it wouldn't be odd. Like
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if I was counting and the person wasn't there, it
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would just be lesser of the count. But it wouldn't
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be odd if the physical person wasn't there to me,
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because people move back all the time. Question. But wouldn't
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they have to advise you if you knew that there
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was only one person without you know, one person that
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doesn't have a cell mate. Wouldn't they have to advise you, Hey,
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this person left, so this person's in there by himself. Noel,
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I don't know, because nobody said anything to me. Question.
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I'm just saying in general now, So, like, if you're
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conducting your rounds and your counts, in order for you
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to know who you're supposed to be counting during both
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rounds and counts, you know who you're supposed to be
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checking on. Would you need to know if the cell
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mate was removed and now there's only one inmate in
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each cell Noel. No, Like if I'm counting and the
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person is not there, Like, say the count was sixty
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six and I counted sixty five, that's just what redacted count? Question,
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and you wouldn't try to like figure out where's the
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fifth where the sixty six went? Noel, know, because whoever
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removed the person would have I guess documented where they
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move them to question, So you wouldn't it's after you
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counted sixty five, then you would have to just go
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and try to find paperwork. Hey, is there another guy
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that someone else moved? Noel? No question. Okay, so how
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do you reconcile the numbers rather than me saying so
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many words. You tell me, do you know who's in
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the shoe? Noel. So let's say, like, if there was
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sixty six people in there, one person moved to wherever,
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they would have already did that, so it wouldn't be
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for me to do when I count now because the
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person is not there. I'm going to just count sixty five,
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but the number is not going to be off because
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whoever moved the body already moved them to, like, let's say,
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back to the unit or wherever, so I wouldn't be
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trying to find or figure out where the person went.
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I'm dis counting the body. Is that what you really said?
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Seems like a forty and slip to me? Question? Okay,
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so you and you're counting, and you're during the rounds
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and counts right, not during the rounds, Noel, Right during
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the counts. Question. Rounds are every thirty minutes approximately, Noel. Yeah. Question,
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so during those rounds are you supposed to be when
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you're conducting the rounds? What is the intent of those rounds? Noel?
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Whoever's in there to make sure that they're okay? Question,
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So if you don't know who is in there, how
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do you make sure that they're okay, Noel, because cause
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they would have already been if the person's not there,
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like they would have already been moved in the system.
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So I'm not making around. I'm not going to be like, well, oh,
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this person's not in there, because people go to different places,
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they go back to the unit, they go to court,
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they go to different places. So again, it wouldn't be
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odd if somebody is not there. I mean, I could
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ask the person that I'm working with, like, oh, hey,
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whatever happened to so and so? But she trails off
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and another question is asked. All right, so you're saying
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that even though you knew only one inmate didn't have
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a shoe, and especially it sounds like you're working later Noel. Yeah, question,
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So everyone should pretty much be back from wherever they
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went to correct Noel, correct question. So at that point,
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you only know that one person doesn't have a cell mate.
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You're walking through and you see that someone doesn't have
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a cell mate, you're not asking where's that person, Noel.
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But see, I don't know that the person has to
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have a So again, even though the one person doesn't
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have a cell mate, it's not odd to me because
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I don't know that they have to have a cell mate.
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What if the person went back to the unit, I
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didn't know where Reyes went. Question? Okay, question? Can I
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ask something? Yes? Please? Question. I just want to clarify.
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When you come in, right, Let's say you come in
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on reshift, is there somewhere near the computer that tells
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you how many inmates are supposed to be in the shoe? Noel?
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On the roster? Question on the roster? Noel? Yeah. Question.
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And now let's say do you review the roster when
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you come in? Noel? No question? So how do you know?
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Let's just say someone went missing. How do you know? Noel,
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I don't know. Question. But isn't that when you come
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on shift, right, you're responsible. I'm not saying this is
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the case, but you're responsible to know how many inmates
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are in the shoe at the time, right, Noel. When
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I come on shift, I just come on and relieve
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the person. Like when I come on at four, it's
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time to feed. So I'm doing trades and i'm feeding.
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I'm not looking to see who's on the roster. You
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would probably wait for count, time to count, and then
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count to see how much people is in there. But
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I'm not looking to see Okay, the roster says seventy five,
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and I'm counting to make sure there are seventy five
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people only at count time. Question. So when you're doing
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your rounds, all you're doing is the people that you see,
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Are they okay? If someone escaped, you wouldn't know that
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until count time, Miss Noel, I wouldn't know. Question Okay,
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And that's basically that answers it. So she's saying that
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she's not even worried about if someone is not there,
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She's only worried about the people that are there. Is
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that correct? Noel? Yes? Question all right? Now, the Union
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Rep has a question. Would procedural clarification help with that question?
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Question by redacted? Sure, we all have the policies here.
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Would you like me to show her the policies? I'm
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happy to do that. Union Rep. Yeah, or I could
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explain it. Question. I'll give her the policies and just
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ask her if she's familiar with that. That's fine, she
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knows what she should have done. Question. I'll just say
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this to you. The policy is very general for the
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entire agency, not specific to mcc new York. Question. Okay,
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while he is looking while he's looking that up. I
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just want clarification, Noel. Uh huh. Question when you came in,
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if an inmate was removed, should the roster have been edited? Noel,
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it should have been. Question. Do you recall if that roster?
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Was there a roster on your desk? Noel, there's always
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a roster, but I don't look at the roster. Question.
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But you don't recall if there was anything, if there
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was a notification or anything written down saying that inmate
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Ephren Reyis was removed from the shoe Noel, No question.
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Is that something that previous shift would have communicated to you? Noel?
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They could have question? All right, So I'm going to
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read this out loud and then redact it provide it
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to you. This is the Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York,
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New York specific post orders. This specifically says shoe number one,
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and I think that would be the officer in charge,
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as we just discussed. But I think that there, like
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you said, everyone's kind of responsible for the same thing.
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But it discusses right here. I'm going to go down
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to the third paragraph on page two of eighteen. It
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says report for duty by telephone with the operation Lieutenant
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and receive any additional information. Begin making so According to this,
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it says, when you report to duty, you're supposed to
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talk to the Operations Lieutenant and receive whatever information you're
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supposed to get. On your shift, it says, begin making
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thirty minute rounds, ensuring you document the findings into true scope.
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Staff will observe all inmates and continued lockdown status once
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in the first thirty minutes of the hour example twelve
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to twelve thirty am, followed by another round in the
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second thirty minute period of the same hour twelve thirty
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to one. This will ensure an inmate is observed at
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least twice per hour. These rounds are to be conducted
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on an irregular schedule and no more than forty minutes apart.
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All observation must be documented. It should be clearly understood
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that none of these activities are to take place until
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the evening watch officer is relieved. It should be noted
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that it's understood that not all of the above will
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be accomplished by or before account. Then it talks about
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official count time. The shoe number two officer you said
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you were working, is that for both your shifts because
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this specifically talking about twelve am. Where are you at
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twelve am on August tenth, Miss Nowell, I think I
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was number one? Yes? Question? All right? So this actually
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is pertaining to your shift during twelve am and eight am.
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Foy interjects, you mean, according to what you just read? Question?
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What I just read? Foy? Right? Question the specific So
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we're shoe number one. So I guess what you were
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supposed to do per the post orders was when you
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got on board, you're supposed to call the operations lieutenant
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and then you're supposed to say, hey, is there any
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information I need to know? And then you're supposed to
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start making your accounts. And that would be like where
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you would find out Epstein doesn't have a cell mate.
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Make sure that when you're doing your rounds, you know
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where everybody's in there. You know, I would think, is
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that you're understanding at all? Noel? No question? Was that
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ever put into practice? Noel? No nobody ever calls the
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lieutenant when they got on shift. Question, so no one
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ever talked to them? Noel? No question? Okay, is there?
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I don't know if I need to continue reading this
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because we're going to take a lot of time with
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it if we do just because I read it, if
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you want to take a look and just initial and
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date there, and then we're just going to move on. Noel,
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uh huh question because this is taking up time. Foy
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initial up top question about the point on the matter
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was that you knew that you were supposed to observe
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the people that were there, you weren't too concerned about
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people that weren't there. Noel, nothing, correct question. Is that
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a correct understanding? Noel? Yes, all right, We're going to
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wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
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with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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All the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
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we're going to get right back to the Tova Noel
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interview with the OIG investigators. Question, all right, on August ninth,
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do you recall having any discussion with redacted regarding Epstein? Noel,
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no question, And again, redacted would have been the one.
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Did you say that he was the one who replaced relieve.
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Noel says, question, okay, So if redacted provided redacted with information.
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Redacted did not provide you with that information, Noel. I
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don't know if redacted she gets cut off. Yeah, I know.
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I'm asking that he gets cut off now by Noel,
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Oh about redacted? Didn't again, she gets cut off. If
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he did that, redacted certainly didn't provide it to you, Noel,
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no question. Okay. And redacted didn't provide you with any
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special instructions regarding Epstein, Noel, no question. No did you
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discuss the need for Epstein to be reassigned to cellmate
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with anyone on August ninth? Noel, no question. When did
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redacted to part the shoe on August ninth, Noel at
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ten pm? Question? Ten pm? Correct, Noel, correct question. You
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said you unit manager Nathan redacted. He actually wasn't in
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the shoe. I mean, he wasn't assigned to the shoe, Noel,
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no question. He was just in there in order to
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facilitate the start of this telephone conversation, Noel. Phone call. Yeah. Question.
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And you don't know why he was in there in
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the first place, Noel, no question. So you don't know
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if he brought Epstein in Noel, no question. So he
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just and you're not the one to allow them, Noel,
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no question. All right, so he didn't have actually have
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any responsibilities in the shoe Noel, no question. And aside
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from the telephone conversation that you had with redacted with
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specifically with regards to get the phone away from him,
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his time is up. Any other conversations Noel with redacted,
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no question, No about Epstein or otherwise, Noel, no question.
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Any conversations with him in person, Noel. Only when I
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took the phone from him redacted. No No, not Epstein redacted? Noel, Oh,
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no question. And that's what I was asking about before.
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It's just to make sure that we're clear. Any other
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conversations aside from the one conversation on the phone where
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he said, get the phone from Epstein, his time is up, Noel.
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And when he came in, he said, I'm going to
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put him in the shower to use the phone. Question.
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And that was the extent of it, Noel, That was
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the extent of it. Question. Okay. Nothing to do with
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Epstein being housed with mcc or shoe, Noel, no question,
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or the need for a cellmate, Noel, no question. Do
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you know who authorized redacted to provide Epstein with that telephone? Call. Noel,
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I don't know. Question, no who plugged the telephone line
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into the legal line in the shower area Noel? Redacted?
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Question redacted? Did and do you know if he did
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that per redacted's direction? Noel, no question. You're not sure?
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And to you that was an authorized practice, Noel, to
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use the phone in the shower. Yeah. Question What is
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that line in the shower area for Noel? I don't know.
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Question is it okay? Is there usually a phone that's
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plugged in there? Noel? No question? Or is it just
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a line that's available Noel? The jack? Is there? Question?
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Just the jack? And you know that to be a
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legal line like for attorneys, Noel, I don't know. Question,
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you don't know that's what that is? That's a legal line, Noel.
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I don't know. Question. But what is just your overall understanding?
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Briefly about policy for inmates assigned to the shoe when
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they need to make a phone call, how often do
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they get to do it? How do they do it? Noel?
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When they had them the phone in the cell and
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they use that pin the number to make the phone call.
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How often? I don't know because that's usually done before
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I come in. But I know showers are every other day.
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I don't know a phone is every other day? Also redacted. Okay,
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so you're not sure, Noel, I'm not sure. Question. You
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said you didn't hear any part of the telephone conversation, Noel,
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no question. Did you see any part of the telephone conversation, Noel,
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only when I went to go get it from him.
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Question But while he was on it, Noel, no question.
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Discussing Noel, no question. And no one observed them Noel,
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no question. So no one watched them or listened Noel,
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no question, and no one informed you to watch or listen, Noel,
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no question. And previous instances when people have used the line,
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where other were other people watching and listening to those people?
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Noel know? Question? And around what time was Epstein brought
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back to his cell, did you say, Noel, maybe about
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after nine? Question? So he did the telephone call sometime
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before nine, and around after nine is when he was
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put back into his cell. Noel, probably because I was
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in the bathroom. Question, and you went to the bathroom.
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You think around nine, Noel, I'm not sure. But around question,
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I'm not asking for specifics, Noel, Yeah, Like around question,
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are around nine? Noel yeah. Question, and you said that
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you're not the person that brought him. Someone else did.
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After someone else brought him to his cell, did you
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have any more conversations with Epstein? Noel yes. Question. What
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when was that? And where Noel? Not a conversation when
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I counted? Question? When did you count Noel at ten? Question?
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At ten pm? You counted Noel yes. Question? So you
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actually went through the tier and counted Noel yes. Question
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And did you go into the tier or did you
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just go up to the door Noel, I went into
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the tier. Question. Okay, So you didn't head around at
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ten pm, You didn't stop at the door and just
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look in. You actually went through Noel Yeah, I went through,
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question and look through and count at each person. Noel Yes,
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because he was on the floor and I knocked and
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he put his hand up. Question. Okay, So that wasn't
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just from the outer door of the tier, Noel, No. Question.
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That was actually he gets cut off by Noel no
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that was in there. Question Okay. And you said you
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don't know who brought him back to the cell, Noel, No,
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I was in the bathroom. Question Okay, and went around
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ten pm, you looked in and you said he was
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on the floor and he put his hand up Noel. Yeah,
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he sleeps on the floor. The mattress, he puts the
43:29
mattress on the floor. Question. Okay, so you never actually
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see his bunk, he would sleep on the floor, Noel,
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the floor, yeah. Question. Take the mattress off the bunk,
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Noel and put it on the floor. Question sleep there
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is that typical Noel for him? Question for him? What
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about other inmates? Do other inmates do it? Noel, Not
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in the shoe, but sometimes they do that question? And
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is there anything up with policy that prohibits people from
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doing that? Noel, not that I know. No question. No
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So it wasn't anything of concern Noel. No question. Okay,
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But he did you did he verbalize anything or just
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put his hand up? Noel, He just put his hand up.
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Question just like I'm accounted for, Noel. Right. Question Okay.
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And is that after you said you knocked Noel? Yeah. Question.
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And did you communicate with him at all? Noel? Question
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you okay, Noel, No question. No so it was just
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a knock and a hand up Noel. Yeah. Question no
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communication Noel, None question just visualization Noel. Yeah. Question And
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notice anything different about him at that time, Noel. No question.
44:44
No you said that was around ten pm. Noel. I
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think he asked for the sea pat machine to be
44:50
plugged in because he had seapat machine. Question. What's the
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seapap machine? Noel? When people have sleep apnea, I guess
44:57
they use that machine. Question? Okay, Noel. So the cord
45:02
has to be ran from the outside of his room
45:04
all the way down to be plugged in. Question. It's
45:07
for sleep apnea. Noel. I don't know what else it's for,
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but that's what I know people use it for. Question.
45:14
And did you get it for him? Noel. It's in
45:16
his room. It just has to be plugged in redacted.
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Oh and did you plug it in for him? Noel? Yes. Question. Okay,
45:23
so you did have some communication with him then, Noel. Well,
45:27
he asked and I just nodded and I plugged it
45:30
in question. Okay. So when I ask you these things,
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I just really want you to be clear with me.
45:36
If there's communication, just really think about, like what communication
45:40
you actually had, Noel, Okay. Question, So just tell me
45:44
about specifically what you can remember, because again, if this
45:48
is the last time you saw him, just try to
45:50
recall what it is that he said? Noel, I remember
45:55
you put his hand up and he asked about the
45:56
CPAT machine to be plugged in, and that's it. Do
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you remember his words? Did he say seepat machine or
46:04
can you plug this in for me? Noel? I don't
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remember how he said it, but basically he asked for
46:09
it to be plugged in, but I don't remember exactly
46:12
what he said or how he said it. Question. All right,
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so at that point you went and plugged it in? Noel. Yes.
46:20
Question all right. And that's like a cord that runs
46:23
like under his cell door or something. Noel. Yes. Question okay.
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And then any conversations afterward, Noel, No question all right.
46:32
Can you just briefly explain the process of people entering
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and exiting the shoe Noel. There's double doors? Question okay, Noel,
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And we opened the door to let people in. Question.
46:45
So is there somebody that they have to go through
46:48
and outer door first to get to your door? Noel. Yeah,
46:52
there's two doors, and so they come in the first door,
46:54
then the second door, and then you're in the shoe. Question.
46:59
How did they get in to the first door? Noel,
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We open the door. Question, not the control center. Noel,
47:04
no question. So you're able to from the first door
47:08
before they get to your door, you open both doors Noel, yes. Question. Okay,
47:13
So the control center they don't call for it first,
47:16
and the control center pops the first door, and then
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you have keys for the second door. Noel, no question.
47:22
All right. Okay, So I'm going to stop talking. You
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tell me exactly how they do it. Somebody knock or
47:29
they call or buzz or what Noel. Somebody knocks or
47:33
somebody they use their radio, and then we go to
47:35
the door and open the door. Question. So do you
47:38
have from your desk? Is there a buzzer? Noel, No,
47:41
You've got to open the door with the key. Question
47:44
the initial outer doors Noel, both doors. Question. So you go,
47:48
you open the inner door to you, and then you
47:51
go to the outer door and do the second Noel.
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Yes question, and you have control over both doors Noel, yes,
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all right. Does the operation center also have control over
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that outer door? Noel, I don't know. I don't think
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for the shoe they do, I don't know. Question all right.
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Anytime people enter and exit, you've always for both doors. Noel, yes,
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question all right. And that's the same as when they leave. Noel. Yeah. Question,
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So after they leave that second outer door and you go,
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you lock that manually and then you lock the other one. Noel. Yeah,
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question manually, both manually from the shoe, Noel, if that one,
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I think the outer one, like once you pull it,
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it locks. Question? Okay, which one is that? Noel? The
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outer door? Question? The outer door and who entered and
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exited the shoe on August ninth, twenty nineteen, between let's say,
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for the first shift nine pm and twelve pm. So
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if you have to open up the two doors, I'm
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assuming that's kind of a process and there aren't that
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many of you in there, Noel. Lieutenant redacted? Question Lieutenant redacted? Noel,
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No you said the first shift? Question first shift from
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nine pm to twelve am, twelve am, Sorry, Noel, from
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I don't know question. So it would be the people
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that were in there, correct? Would that be redacted and redacted?
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Noel and me? Question? And you anyone else? Noel, I'm
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trying to remember because you said between nine pm and
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twelve am. I don't remember exactly when redacted made her rounds,
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but she gets cut off by the interviewer. Okay, redacted
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would have showed up at one time or another, though, Noel. Yes. Question,
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do you remember that conversation once she showed up? Noel,
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no question. Did she talk to you about anything? Noel,
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No question. Did you specifically speak to her at all? Noel?
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I mean I said, hey, question, just hey, just what's up? Okay?
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And who's allowed to enter an exit? Noel, I don't
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remember that question. Do you know who when redacted and
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redacted left, who allowed them to leave? Noel, I don't
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remember that question. You don't remember that, Noel. No. All right,
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