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Hour 1: 9/11 toxic air records · Curtis Sliwa & Larry Mendte In The Morning

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Speaker 1: Well, there is now some backlash to the report that
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Speaker 1: was released by Mayor Mamdani. And I said yesterday, and
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Speaker 1: I'll say it again, it's the best thing he's ever done.
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Speaker 1: I have been extremely critical of him. But finally, finally,
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Speaker 1: somebody has released these records. And the records we're talking
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Speaker 1: about are the records that show the city knew that
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Speaker 1: there were deadly toxins in the air right after 9-11.
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Speaker 1: For months after 9-11. And they knew this just a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks into it, after doing their testing. And
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Speaker 1: so they allowed all of these people, citizens, construction workers, firefighters, police,
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Speaker 1: the people who live down there, the residents, to stay
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Speaker 1: down there and breathe.
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Speaker 2: It all in.
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Speaker 1: And thousands and thousands and thousands have died for them
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Speaker 1: keeping that a secret. We learned about it 25 years later.
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Speaker 1: There has to be some charges on this. There has
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Speaker 1: to be something that happens. And we're now hearing, one
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Speaker 1: by one, we're going to hear from people that are
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Speaker 1: upset about this. But the first one's out of the box,
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Speaker 1: and he was tremendous yesterday, is Jim Brasi, president of
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Speaker 1: the United Firefighters Officers Association Association. who held a news
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Speaker 1: conference and you could feel his anger.
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Speaker 3: It is appalling that they did this to us, despite
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Speaker 3: our willingness to knowingly go into that environment repeatedly for
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Speaker 3: long-term exposures, long after the acute exposure of that day,
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Speaker 3: to give dignity to the people that were lost, to
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Speaker 3: give the greatest possible effort towards a recovery, and then
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Speaker 3: hopes to put New York back on its firm footing
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Speaker 3: that it was on the days before 9-11.
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Speaker 1: And he believes they did it, Curtis, for the worst
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Speaker 1: of reasons, for fiduciary reasons, for money, because they didn't
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Speaker 1: want to have to spend all the money or spend
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Speaker 1: all of the time waiting for rebuilding until the air cleared.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to move in there immediately and rebuild it.
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Speaker 1: Even Mayor Bloomberg admitted that. He wanted to He had
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to rebuild a whole new city within a
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Speaker 1: city that is easily accessible. He was all excited about that.
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Speaker 1: Nobody cared seemingly about the firefighters, but they cared about
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Speaker 1: rebuilding their own little pet projects. Now, we've heard from
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Speaker 1: both Mayor Giuliani and Mayor Bloomberg, and both were embarrassing stories.
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Speaker 1: Both should be called before Congress. Both should answer to
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Speaker 1: a commission like the Warren Commission that needs to study this.
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Speaker 1: Mayor Giuliani came out and said, no, the EPA said
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Speaker 1: the air was clear. We followed them trying to shift
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Speaker 1: the blame. Yeah, but you had your own study, Mayor,
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Speaker 1: that you ignored. So you knew, no matter what the
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Speaker 1: EPA said, you knew that air was deadly. You knew
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Speaker 1: that air was dangerous and you ignored it. And Mayor Bloomberg,
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Speaker 1: his was worse. He didn't mention the study. He didn't
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Speaker 1: mention the dangerous air. He just patted himself on the
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Speaker 1: back at how well he did in rebuilding that area,
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Speaker 1: proving that what the Fire Association was saying in the
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Speaker 1: first place. This was all about money. This was all
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Speaker 1: about expediting the project. This was all about not admitting
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Speaker 1: fault to anything. I'll tell you what, Giuliani was bad.
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Speaker 1: Bloomberg and his statement was even worse, to completely ignore
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Speaker 1: that he was complicit in hiding the study.
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Speaker 4: Well, look how precarious it's going to be for the
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Speaker 4: former mayor, Michael Bloomberg, who is in charge of the foundation,
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Speaker 4: has self-funded it, you know, the memorial, the museum down
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Speaker 4: at 9-11.
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Speaker 2: He's always in.
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Speaker 4: The middle of the scrum of the politicians who will
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Speaker 4: show up tomorrow, and rightfully so, because he basically helped
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Speaker 4: that effort take place.
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Speaker 2: But you're right.
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Speaker 4: His response to this damning drop of 170,000 documents— and by
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Speaker 4: the way, this is only the first of more documents— Remember,
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Speaker 4: they found 68 boxes in the city's Environmental Protection Agency office.
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Speaker 4: They claim they didn't know where they were. Giuliani people
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Speaker 4: claim they didn't know where they were when he was
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Speaker 4: still in office, Bloomberg, 12 years.
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Speaker 2: We don't know where they are.
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Speaker 4: De Blasio does not escape criticism, even though he was
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Speaker 4: Zoran's biggest supporter.
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Speaker 2: We didn't know where they were. And Adams, right? We
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Speaker 2: didn't know where they were. Well, they were in the
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Speaker 2: office the whole time.
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Speaker 4: And now we're beginning to see there's a portal, and
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Speaker 4: the city is putting everything up. So you're going to
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Speaker 4: have a chance to see these documents for yourself. Rudy's response,
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Speaker 4: he had an aide put it on his social networking account.
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Speaker 4: They were blaming the federal EPA of Christy Todd. I
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Speaker 4: call her Witless, the former governor of New Jersey who
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Speaker 4: had been appointed by Bush 43. She eventually apologized for
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Speaker 4: the misinformation that she spread.
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Speaker 1: So I give her credit for that. Shouldn't these guys apologize?
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. But they won't.
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Speaker 4: They won't because now there's an investigation, Department of Investigation
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Speaker 4: for the city. As you have called for and I
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Speaker 4: call for, there should be a federal investigation where everyone
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Speaker 4: should have to come and give testimony, public testimony, not
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Speaker 4: behind closed doors. And we try to put this together.
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Speaker 4: But I can assure you, because some people came up
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Speaker 4: to me, oh, the UFO, the UFA, these are the
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Speaker 4: two firefighter unions. They're trying to curry favor with Zohar now.
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Speaker 4: I met with both of them during the mayoral campaign,
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Speaker 4: as I did when I ran against Adams in 2021.
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Speaker 4: I know all these guys. Eddie Brown was the former treasurer,
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Speaker 4: my best guardian angel ever. He saved my life in
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Speaker 4: New Orleans. So I knew them all personally, and they
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Speaker 4: were very blunt with me. We don't think he could win,
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Speaker 4: but we hate Zorhan. I mean, I didn't meet any
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Speaker 4: of them, but said anything like, give him a chance.
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Speaker 2: I hated him. So for them to come out, especially on.
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Speaker 4: A day where they gathered out in Staten Island and
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Speaker 4: they had their banner up, the huge banner.
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Speaker 2: That says 343.
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Speaker 4: Those are the firefighters who died on that day and
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Speaker 4: still counting because as they remind us, more members now
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Speaker 4: have died from World Trade Center related illnesses than died
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Speaker 4: on that day. 12,000 have been diagnosed with at least
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Speaker 4: one form of illness that is directly attributable to to
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Speaker 4: what happened at the World Trade Center site in the
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Speaker 4: aftermath of the collapse.
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Speaker 1: More importantly, it's estimated that 9,000 have died. So this
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Speaker 1: is mass murder, is what it is. And because those
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Speaker 1: lives could have been saved, you can't tell me that
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Speaker 1: if they were to know that early that that was dangerous,
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Speaker 1: they couldn't have done something. They would have made major changes.
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Speaker 1: By the way, as Lieutenant Deputy Brosny said yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Had they been more transparent about those toxins, we probably
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Speaker 5: would have stalled recovery. got better decon, set up better facilities,
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Speaker 5: set up better work rotations so that we could have
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Speaker 5: limited the exposure.
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Speaker 1: So you hear what he's saying? They wouldn't have stopped.
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Speaker 1: Knowing it, they would have got the proper gear on.
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Speaker 1: They would have made sure they limited exposure, but they
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Speaker 1: would have kept working. They would have kept rebuilding the city.
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Speaker 1: And so this whole argument that, oh, it was too important.
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Speaker 1: We had to get this done fast. They would have
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Speaker 1: kept going. You just had to slow down a little bit.
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Speaker 2: And limit the exposure.
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Speaker 1: And as you pointed out yesterday, it's a very important
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Speaker 1: point because we keep thinking about the firefighters. We keep
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Speaker 1: thinking about the people that volunteered and the police officers
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Speaker 1: there at the scene digging through the rubble.
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Speaker 2: What about the residents? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They were told it was fine.
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Speaker 2: Come back. You can live there.
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Speaker 4: The students right next to the location across the street
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Speaker 4: is one of the most elite high schools in the country,
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Speaker 4: Stuyvesant High School. They were told it's OK to come back. Teachers, staff,
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Speaker 4: maintenance people, students, everyone was told, get back, you know,
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Speaker 4: get back to the job. We all got to come together.
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Speaker 4: We can't allow the collapse of lower Manhattan, the economic
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Speaker 4: center of the world because of. Wall Street and the
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Speaker 4: financial institutions. Michael Bloomberg was elected simply because he would
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Speaker 4: rebuild lower Manhattan. He was way behind in the polls
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Speaker 4: against Mark Green. That was the day of the Democratic primary,
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Speaker 4: by the way. They had a stopped account. But he
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Speaker 4: would have lost even with all of his money because
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Speaker 4: nobody liked Bloomberg at the time.
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Speaker 2: He was not a very likable kind of guy.
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Speaker 4: Once Rudy embraced him afterwards and said he's going to
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Speaker 4: rebuild the city, That propelled.
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Speaker 2: Them to victory. But it was even a close election.
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Speaker 4: So the bulk of the responsibility is clearly on Rudy
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Speaker 4: and his staff.
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Speaker 1: It's on all of them.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: And Bloomberg, because he inherited it.
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Speaker 1: Everybody, all four of the mayors, they had this information.
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Speaker 1: Everybody had this information. Anybody could have exposed it. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: You know what?
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Speaker 1: I think Mamdani's now earned his right to go on 9-11.
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Speaker 1: I think he's now earned his right, and I was
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Speaker 1: dead set against it. But God blessed anybody that was
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Speaker 1: behind releasing these documents because... it is so important to
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Speaker 1: know the weight of this moment. All these people didn't
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Speaker 1: have to die because documents were hidden by not just
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Speaker 1: one administration's, four administrations. hid these documents for mayors and
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Speaker 1: all the people that had access. Remember for a while,
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Speaker 1: they said they disappeared. They couldn't find the documents. All
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Speaker 1: four of the administrations said that. So there's a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of people that need to be held accountable. And
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Speaker 1: we should stay on this every single day until there
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Speaker 1: is some accountability. By the way, I know that President Trump,
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Speaker 1: even though he may not listen all the time, does
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Speaker 1: get a feed of what we say. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: gets a printout of what we say. What about you, Mr. President,
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Speaker 1: a New Yorker? What about you? Why don't you push
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Speaker 1: for an investigation? You have sway over the Republican Party,
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Speaker 1: their leaders in the Congress, their leaders in the House
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Speaker 1: and the Senate. Push them into having an investigation next week.
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Speaker 2: Start it right away.
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Speaker 1: I know you're in the middle of the midterms. This
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Speaker 1: will only help you because it was all Democrats. Well,
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Speaker 1: not Bloomberg. It was all Democrats that were hiding this mostly,
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Speaker 1: let's say 90% Democrats.
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Speaker 2: So it's an issue.
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Speaker 1: It's an issue for you. I'm just trying to talk
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Speaker 1: them into it. Start an investigation. Use this as an issue.
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Speaker 1: This might be the biggest issue in the country. It
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Speaker 1: just hasn't started to spread yet.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because of my job, which is. playing rock and
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He looks and sounds great. Hopefully, he'll be performing again,
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Speaker 1: and he can do something, put earplugs in, do something,
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Speaker 1: stop that sound. Now let's get some talkbacks.
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Speaker 8: You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know
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Speaker 8: that air was contaminated that day.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you just had to know. That's the first
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Speaker 4: thing I thought about.
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Speaker 9: That air was polluted. We all knew it.
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Speaker 8: And I don't think it would have stopped anyone from
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Speaker 8: going in there had they known it.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it would have. Yes, it would have.
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Speaker 1: I mean, initially... You're right, people went in, but there
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Speaker 1: was no testing of the air at that point. Everybody
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Speaker 1: at that point wanted to know if they should be
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Speaker 1: wearing masks or gear. But had they known how toxic
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Speaker 1: that air was, as you just heard the deputy chief say,
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Speaker 1: we would have limited exposure.
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Speaker 4: Curtis? Yeah, I think the key thing there was that, sure,
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Speaker 4: there would have been men who would have wanted to
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Speaker 4: fight their way into the pile to find their friends.
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Speaker 2: But you could have cordoned it off. You could have
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Speaker 2: had the.
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Speaker 4: National Guard in there preventing anybody from getting in until
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Speaker 4: everybody had the right gear. Because obviously the federal government
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Speaker 4: probably had the gear in storage all throughout the country
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Speaker 4: that they could have brought to the location.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point.
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Speaker 9: Larry, it's funny how easily manipulated you are with the
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Speaker 9: Mondami now deserves to go to the 9-11 ceremonies.
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Speaker 2: Mondami is using.
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Speaker 1: This to make people look bad and draw attention away
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Speaker 1: from himself, who's an incompetent child. Yeah, I agree that
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Speaker 1: everything he's done so far has been incompetent. Tell you what,
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Speaker 1: I don't care. This is such a big deal. The
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Speaker 1: fact that nobody released this, and he could have gone
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Speaker 1: for four years without releasing it, but he didn't. And
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Speaker 1: so let's give credit where credit is due. And I
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Speaker 1: know from 9-11 first responders, they're teary-eyed over this. They
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Speaker 1: can't believe that they were lied to and information was
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Speaker 1: withheld from them. So I side with them. And if
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Speaker 1: he is the one that released it, I don't care
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Speaker 1: what the reason is. I really don't care because it's
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Speaker 1: that important. That's my priority.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I plan on going to the World Trade Center
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Speaker 9: site tomorrow, as many other people are.
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Speaker 8: And I, too, felt the same about Mondami.
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Speaker 2: I was kind of iffy.
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Speaker 4: About him going.
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Speaker 2: But I agree with Larry.
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Speaker 6: After he exposed this cover-up, I think he's earned his
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Speaker 6: right to go.
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Speaker 2: Well, remember, he's going anyway.
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Speaker 4: Let's hope that tomorrow is focused on all those who
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Speaker 4: are lost, all those who continue to be lost. And
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Speaker 4: the families because it's been hijacked by the politicians.
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Speaker 2: It really has been. And just remember that tomorrow's ceremony
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Speaker 2: is closed. You have to go through.
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Speaker 7: Security and be invited in so people can't just go.
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Speaker 1: Did somebody say that?
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Speaker 2: He was just saying he was going. Maybe he is
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Speaker 2: part of that.
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Speaker 1: But for the general public, you could go in the area,
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Speaker 1: but you can't go.
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Speaker 4: You can go to the memorial after 12 noon after
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Speaker 4: the ceremony's commemoration is over and pay tribute that way.
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Speaker 2: But you're right.
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Speaker 4: You cannot get into that area unless you're invited.
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Speaker 1: Now let's get to Daria Albinger with the 630 News, Daria.
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Speaker 4: We'll discuss Lindsey Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, spending most of
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Speaker 4: his day defending her former husband, who has come under
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Speaker 4: tremendous attack from many sectors. And also more jurists came
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Speaker 4: forward to tell us what had happened in those jury deliberations.
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Speaker 2: Wow, Larry.
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Speaker 4: Kevin Reddington, who is attracting attention from across the world
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Speaker 4: as the defense attorney for Lindsey Clancy, spent most of
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Speaker 4: his day yesterday not defending his client or talking about
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Speaker 4: what might take place in the future after the deadlocked
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Speaker 4: jury were dismissed. But he spent the bulk of his
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Speaker 4: time defending Lindsey Clancy's former husband, who has since remarried
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Speaker 4: in April and is living in Manhattan. And I didn't
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Speaker 4: realize how much hate there was out there for him
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Speaker 4: until our own Natalie Megliore pointed out all the websites
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Speaker 4: and all the social networking who actually, many of them
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Speaker 4: think that he was involved in this. So he somehow,
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Speaker 4: you know, the conspiracy, he had his hands into this
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Speaker 4: killing of the kids, I feel. wow, until I started
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Speaker 4: looking into it. So yesterday, Kevin Reddington is going on
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Speaker 4: about it's obvious that Patrick, the husband, stood by his
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Speaker 4: wife every step of the way.
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Speaker 1: I have it.
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Speaker 2: You want to hear it? Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 9: I've said repeatedly the gut-wrenching horror that is in his voice.
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Speaker 9: No actor in California could ever imitate that. It's obvious
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Speaker 9: that Patrick was a man who stood by his wife
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Speaker 9: through all of the difficulty of the medical issues, the
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Speaker 9: psychiatric issues, the pharmaceutical issues, and even up to the
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Speaker 9: time of trial and even afterwards. And the man ought
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Speaker 9: to be able to move on with his life and
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Speaker 9: stop with the speculation and horrific conspiracy allegations that he
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Speaker 9: was involved with some massive conspiracy to kill his children.
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Speaker 4: Wow, he had to spend his time. He's in the
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Speaker 4: spotlight now. And he spent half his day defending the
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Speaker 4: former husband. And yet that has not stopped many who
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Speaker 4: go to social networking and believe that he was somehow involved.
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Speaker 4: I think it all comes about because he was the
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Speaker 4: first witness called by the prosecutor. I looked at it.
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Speaker 4: I didn't look at it at the time, but I've
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Speaker 4: looked back at it. I didn't feel he was a
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Speaker 4: very good witness. He was unlikable, cold. somewhat trying to
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Speaker 4: distract from the question. I could easily see how people,
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Speaker 4: based on his initial testimony, would not at all rule
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Speaker 4: out the possibility. And boy, that seems to be growing
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Speaker 4: ever since the jury was dismissed.
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Speaker 1: It has been, but it was pretty big. Even at
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Speaker 1: the time of the trial, people were saying he did it.
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Speaker 1: People were saying he helped her. He set it up.
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Speaker 1: People were saying he manipulated her. People saying he was
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Speaker 1: the cause of it, that she was so upset at
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Speaker 1: the way she was being treated by him that she
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Speaker 1: did it. I just feel like there is a large
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Speaker 1: part of the population that never wants to blame the
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Speaker 1: woman and always blame the man. And I think we
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Speaker 1: saw that in multiples during this trial. And I think
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Speaker 1: it came down to that in the jury room as well.
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Speaker 1: A lot of the jurors are still talking about The
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Speaker 1: first ones that were out, and I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear this one juror who actually defended the person that
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Speaker 1: was the holdout. It was interesting. She didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be out there. She didn't want her name to be
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Speaker 1: out there. She did this on a phone call with
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Speaker 1: WBZ in Boston. She didn't want to be out there
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Speaker 1: because she knows what the backlash would be defending this guy,
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Speaker 1: but she said there was a There was a lot
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Speaker 1: of pressure on him, but he's allowed his own opinion.
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Speaker 7: You know, the standalone juror was not the only one
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Speaker 7: that was unwilling to see things from the other side.
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Speaker 7: So I'm going to kind of defend that individual in
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Speaker 7: a sense. There were some big personalities in that room,
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Speaker 7: but at the end of the day, I feel like
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Speaker 7: it just came down to an inability to kind of
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Speaker 7: move past your convictions.
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Speaker 1: It was an inability to move past his conviction. So
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Speaker 1: she was defending him. She also said she wishes he
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Speaker 1: would have come around, but he just never did. And
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Speaker 1: the thing that jumped out at me at that soundbite, though,
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Speaker 1: was that there were some big personalities in the room.
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Speaker 6: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And I think they were the first couple of jurors
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Speaker 1: that came out and got on camera because they seemed
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Speaker 1: like they were big personalities. And they were berating him
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Speaker 1: probably in that room, which didn't help because they were
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Speaker 1: berating him in public as well.
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Speaker 4: Well, one juror, Karen Reed, unbeknownst to anybody at the time,
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Speaker 4: had been on Facebook posting things. for, excuse me, that
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Speaker 4: was Kelly Farina was the name of the juror. But
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Speaker 4: she had been posting, remember that case involving Karen Reed,
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Speaker 4: who drove over her cop boyfriend in Boston, like over
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Speaker 4: and over. And she was exonerated by a jury, even
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Speaker 4: though it would suggest that she did it. She did
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Speaker 4: it passionately and she wanted her boyfriend dead. But she
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Speaker 4: was part of that Facebook group then. So you would
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Speaker 4: think as part of the voir dire, you know, where
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Speaker 4: they're interviewing jurors, they may want to start looking at
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Speaker 4: people's social networking and posting too. Because, my God, she
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Speaker 4: was one of the prime people who was saying, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 4: you got a free Karen Reid, free Karen Reid.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I will say this because a couple of
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Speaker 1: other jurors came out and it's something that you said
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Speaker 1: yesterday was really interesting. You thought that it was a
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Speaker 1: woman versus men thing in the jury room. And there
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Speaker 1: was only three men on the jury. Here is another one.
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Speaker 1: And you heard that juror say he wasn't the only
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Speaker 1: one that wanted to convict her in the beginning. There
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Speaker 1: was just some really loud and big personalities that were
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Speaker 1: going up against all of the holdouts. But he wasn't
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Speaker 1: the only holdout. One of the other men was as well.
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Speaker 1: And he is also defending that gentleman's right to stay
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Speaker 1: with his convictions.
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Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with somebody having a completely opposite opinion.
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Speaker 2: That's, you know, that would be a hung jury. That
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Speaker 2: is our justice system.
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Speaker 1: That is our justice system. He started out by saying
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Speaker 1: he wanted to convict two on criminal charges. He was
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Speaker 1: one of those people. So it sounds like there were
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Speaker 1: many of them. There was just some big voices in
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Speaker 1: that room that was able to sway everybody but one.
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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to find out next if the governor
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Speaker 4: of New Jersey, the helicopter pilot, pilot, will be swayed
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Speaker 4: not to get rid of her lieutenant governor, Dale Caldwell,
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Speaker 4: who's proven to be quite the player. Unmarried.
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Speaker 2: But what a player.
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Speaker 4: And Larry, you've got to give us all these details because.
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Speaker 2: Apparently Caldwell People knew about this for a long, long time.
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Speaker 1: Well, New Jersey has a little bit of a scandal.
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Speaker 1: It might be a big scandal, we don't know, but
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Speaker 1: it is a scandal nonetheless. New Jersey's lieutenant governor, and
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Speaker 1: by the way, in New Jersey, really, nobody ever knows
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Speaker 1: the lieutenant governor's name, but they're going to know it
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Speaker 1: now because everybody's doing a story on him, including the
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Speaker 1: New York Times. The lieutenant governor is Dale G. Caldwell.
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Speaker 1: He is a former professor, a politician. He was actually
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Speaker 1: the president of a university for a while. He is
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Speaker 1: embroiled in a scandal that came forward when there were
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Speaker 1: some anonymous tips and someone whose name wants to stay
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Speaker 1: out of any accusations that he is, how should we
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Speaker 1: say this? He's a player. He is gone after allegedly
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Speaker 1: some of the female staffers in the city, but they
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Speaker 1: have known this about him for a long time. They
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Speaker 1: knew this about him before they chose him. Because apparently
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Speaker 1: he was a guy that would show up at a
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Speaker 1: party and political events, even ones that he traveled to
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Speaker 1: with the governor, bring his business cards, and he apparently,
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Speaker 1: they noticed, was only handing them to young women. So
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Speaker 1: he was constantly– and he's single. And he's single.
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Speaker 2: Oh, gee, I thought right away he's a married guy.
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Speaker 1: No, he's single. So there seemingly is nothing wrong with
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Speaker 1: that unless you have unwanted advances.
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Speaker 8: Hmm.
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Speaker 1: To younger employees, women that have less power than you
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Speaker 1: do in the State House. And that's what's being investigated
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Speaker 1: right now. It's being investigated by the governor. Everything they
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Speaker 1: tried to make it hush-hush, but it got out. And
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Speaker 1: now it's become a political issue, and the Republicans smell blood.
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Speaker 1: We want to know who knew what and when, why
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Speaker 1: this has been shielded from the public.
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Speaker 8: When there's going to be resolution.
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Speaker 9: Right.
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Speaker 1: I think everybody wants to know that, especially Dr. Caldwell
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Speaker 1: himself wants to know that. Educational doctor, not a physician.
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Speaker 1: Declan O'Scanlan, a New Jersey senator I like very much,
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Speaker 1: wants him to step down for the time being or
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Speaker 1: at least be put to the side.
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Speaker 9: At the very least, he should be removed from his
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Speaker 9: statutory powers or the powers that he is given via
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Speaker 9: the governor's fiat.
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Speaker 1: That should probably happen again on a temporary basis.
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Speaker 4: So let me ask you a question. The governor, this
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Speaker 4: is the person she chose. What did she know? When
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Speaker 4: did she know it? And how come she has been
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Speaker 4: taking the code of omerta on this?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think she's taking the code of omerta because
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Speaker 1: I think that she believed it was going to go away.
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Speaker 1: And it hasn't gone away. It's still being investigated. And
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people like a professor at
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Speaker 1: Rider University, a political science professor who is coming out
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Speaker 1: and saying he was also a New Jersey assemblyman, Alex Salky,
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Speaker 1: who supports the governor but says, you got to do something.
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Speaker 4: The concern here is that this has been going on
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Speaker 4: longer than most people knew about.
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Speaker 2: We don't know the details. It's been going on for
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Speaker 2: long enough that maybe we should know the details.
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Speaker 1: And there's the problem. This is a governor that said,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be the most transparent governor New Jersey
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Speaker 1: has ever seen. And we have a simmering scandal. probably
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Speaker 1: hasn't risen to a scandal yet, but a simmering scandal
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Speaker 1: that has going on for months, that there was an
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Speaker 1: investigation that was launched by her that nobody knew anything about.
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Speaker 4: So let me assume he's going to play the race card.
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Speaker 4: He's an African-American. His complexion will be his protection. He'll
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Speaker 4: try to get the state NAACP to support him. But
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Speaker 4: you see, the previous lieutenant governor was black. She passed
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Speaker 4: away in office, Oliver. So he can't say he was
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Speaker 4: the first. So, man, this has intrigue. My prediction, as
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Speaker 4: he does a pivot and shift, your governor, you'll end
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Speaker 4: up with a female lieutenant governor because you rarely have
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Speaker 4: those kind of problems with a female.
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Speaker 1: Let me first give real quickly, because we have the
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Speaker 1: news coming up, the statement he made as the first
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Speaker 1: single black man to serve in government here this high.
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Speaker 1: I'm used to false accusations. So you're absolutely right.
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