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JRE MMA Show _131 with Mighty Mouse(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening, my friend? Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you too.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you thriving out there in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Just trying to do my best.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, you're killing it. It's beautiful. Beautiful. That comeback win
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  Speaker 2: was fucking fantastic. Thanks, man. It was great to see.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: How the fuck are you still so good? You haven't
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  Speaker 2: slipped at all.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's just the training. Um, my mindset, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the team around me and just honestly trying to get
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  Speaker 1: better every single time I step in the cage.
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  Speaker 2: The lighter weight classes though, I've always felt like there's
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  Speaker 2: a short window of excellence. You know, like even in boxing,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like it's like nine, 10 years at peak form,
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  Speaker 2: but you defy that. You know, you really do, man. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're still like as good as ever.
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  Speaker 1: It could be because I'm black. Maybe my genetics. I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: It can't just be that. There's a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: that are also black that haven't been able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is it's also technique. Your
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  Speaker 2: technique has always been paramount. It's always like the forefront
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  Speaker 2: of everything.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly believe it's probably just my upbringing in mixed
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  Speaker 1: martial arts. I was talking to people the other day
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  Speaker 1: and I said I started when I was 18 in
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  Speaker 1: martial arts. Some people don't count wrestling as an Martial arts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you should.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: So I started in middle school. And then once I
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  Speaker 1: got out of high school, I didn't go to college
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  Speaker 1: to wrestle. I jumped right into mixed martial arts. So
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, Matt, he made me do one
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  Speaker 1: fight at MMA. Then the next fight was boxing, mixed
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  Speaker 1: martial arts. They kicked boxing. Back to MMA.
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  Speaker 2: Shoot boxing.
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  Speaker 1: And then he was like, hey, you got to do
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  Speaker 1: this grappling tournament, and you need to submit everybody. Don't
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  Speaker 1: come back if you don't, right? So... Like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's a hard man. Yeah, and, you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: time when he was doing that, I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: he was prepping me for, right? I honestly didn't. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I was working full-time, and I was still an amateur,
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  Speaker 1: but I would do these things he told me to do.
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  Speaker 1: And then now, when I get into my fights or
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  Speaker 1: when I do things, I'm able to... you know, go
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  Speaker 1: back to my beginning and be like, okay, I faced
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  Speaker 1: this before and I'm able to just keep getting better.
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  Speaker 1: My foundation is so solid that that's what's been able
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  Speaker 1: to keep me on top for so long.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that really helped you in that mixed
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  Speaker 2: fight with Rod Kang.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because that was a wild proposition. I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be interesting. And props to him
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  Speaker 2: for taking that. Because he had to know after round one.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't getting that ass after round one. Well, so
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  Speaker 1: when they offered that to me, I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: was on the couch with the wife.
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  Speaker 2: We should explain to everybody what the rules were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the rules were the first round. So if
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  Speaker 1: you guys don't know who Ratang is, he's one of
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  Speaker 1: the best wrestlers. Probably the best Muay Thai fighters in
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  Speaker 1: the world. People put him at pound for pound.
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  Speaker 2: He's a fucking beast.
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  Speaker 1: He just walks through these people.
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  Speaker 2: He's a beast, dude.
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  Speaker 1: So the first round was Muay Thai. I could not grapple.
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  Speaker 1: I could not, you know. Yeah, so right here when they...
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  Speaker 1: When he broke me up, I was trying to lock
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  Speaker 1: him up like a body lock. I could take down.
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  Speaker 2: Was it a three-minute round or a five-minute round?
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  Speaker 1: Three-minute round, right?
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 1: The first round was Muay Thai, and the second round
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  Speaker 1: was MMA. Fourth round's going to be, third round's going
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  Speaker 1: to be Muay Thai, and the fourth round was MMA.
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  Speaker 1: So I knew the first round was going to be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very difficult. But right there, as you see,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to hold him. I can't, like, I literally
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  Speaker 1: was over my hands and not trying to grab him
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  Speaker 1: as I would if it was MMA.
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  Speaker 2: Were you allowed to clinch? Because Muay Thai involves a
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  Speaker 2: lot of clinch work. What was the rules there?
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  Speaker 1: So you are allowed to clinch, but if you watch
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  Speaker 1: any of the Muay Thai in one championship, they don't actually...
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  Speaker 1: I feel they don't give the athletes enough time to
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  Speaker 1: actually fight and dominate in the clinch.
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  Speaker 2: I feel the same way because I was watching Rod
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  Speaker 2: Tang's last fight.
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  Speaker 1: And they break him up immediately. And I'm like, stop.
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think they do that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to make it more action-packed?
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  Speaker 1: More action-packed and probably push the... Just the action, right?
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  Speaker 1: But for me, I feel like in Muay Thai, if
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  Speaker 1: somebody can be very dominant in the clinch, then that's
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  Speaker 1: part of the sport, right?
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  Speaker 2: How dangerous did you feel him in the first round?
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  Speaker 1: I think the last time I got rocked in any
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  Speaker 1: of my fights was probably John Dotson, and he gave
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  Speaker 1: me that same feeling again. But it was fun. It
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  Speaker 1: was fun just exchanging with him, and I think having
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  Speaker 1: this fight was good for my career. And good for
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  Speaker 1: my confidence. And, you know, to come off a loss against,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Adriano and then come back and fight another
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  Speaker 1: tough striker, it was just right there. You see how
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  Speaker 1: I'm like this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. You can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. Like, I didn't want to. Like, right there,
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  Speaker 1: I would have blown through fucking double leg or I
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  Speaker 1: would have done a knee tap. So that was the
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  Speaker 1: hardest thing. And then, you know, there's a point in
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  Speaker 1: time where, like.
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  Speaker 2: But you stayed competitive with them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Even though the first round was clearly the round that
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to turn on the gas because he's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's his world. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And well, the game plan was to, you know, avoid
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  Speaker 1: and not take damage. But I told I told Matt,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Doc, I was like, I didn't come
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  Speaker 1: here to Singapore to get yellow card.
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  Speaker 2: Like, right.
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  Speaker 1: And I take 10 percent of my purse. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: if they tell me action and they're like, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to warn you, I'm going to look at you and
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  Speaker 1: I'm a wink ago. It's been a good ride. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to go. So when he hit me the
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  Speaker 1: first time, I was like, fuck this.
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  Speaker 2: We're going.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to fight. If I get knocked out,
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  Speaker 1: I get knocked out. If I don't, then, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: got the second round.
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  Speaker 2: But you definitely tagged him a bunch. Oh, yeah. You
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  Speaker 2: made it a very competitive, like right there, one, two.
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  Speaker 2: But that motherfucker can take a shot like nobody. It's weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: He stands there and lets guys punch him in the face.
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  Speaker 2: Who the fuck does that at an elite level other
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  Speaker 2: than like Anderson in his prime?
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  Speaker 1: I think the last person I hit that hard was–
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  Speaker 1: Ali Bogatinov, I remember I was fighting him and I
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  Speaker 1: remember kneeing him in the jaw and feeling his jaw
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  Speaker 1: shift in the fight. And I was like, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna knock you out. I'm gonna destroy my body before
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  Speaker 1: I knock you out. And I remember going home, my
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  Speaker 1: knees were the size of grapefruits from just hitting him
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  Speaker 1: so much.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like... Well, Ali was on the sauce, too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, too, but.
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  Speaker 1: That was the last time I fought somebody, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, you can take a beating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He got popped for EPO, right?
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  Speaker 1: It was EPO, yep.
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  Speaker 2: EPO.
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  Speaker 1: I remember my father-in-law, he was back there with me.
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  Speaker 1: I did my drug test, and I walked past Ali.
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  Speaker 1: He was sitting there drinking water, but I take his
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  Speaker 1: drug test. And my father-in-law goes, I'm telling you right now,
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  Speaker 1: no man can take a beating like that and be
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  Speaker 1: able to walk away. There's something wrong. Something not right here.
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  Speaker 1: And then sure enough, I met him playing video games.
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  Speaker 1: Erwani was like, hey, did you hear the news? I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're bothering me right now.
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  Speaker 2: What do you want?
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  Speaker 1: He goes, he popped for EPO. And I was like, and? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. I'm playing games. Bye.
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  Speaker 2: And beep.
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  Speaker 1: So, but hey, it is, it is. It's in the past.
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  Speaker 2: He was good though.
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  Speaker 1: He was good. He was strong.
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  Speaker 2: But it makes sense that he was on EPO because
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  Speaker 2: his cardio was off the charts.
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  Speaker 1: That was the biggest thing we saw in... breaking him
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  Speaker 1: down in a fight is that if we put the
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  Speaker 1: pressure on him, eventually he's going to break like he
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  Speaker 1: has in his other fights. And then when he didn't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're like, huh, he's still here. You know,
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  Speaker 1: good thing we're prepared, but he shouldn't be here right now.
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  Speaker 2: But he was. Yeah. So this, uh, Rod Tang fight,
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that's very interesting about 1FC is
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  Speaker 2: how they're just really mixing everything up. They've got grappling matches,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Mikey Musumechi's over there competing, Gary Tonin, the
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  Speaker 2: Rotolo brothers. It's like, It's very wild what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: They're having Muay Thai matches, kickboxing matches.
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  Speaker 1: We had one boxing match, which was for a WBC title.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Oh, yeah. Boxing gloves?
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  Speaker 1: Boxing gloves. Full-blown boxing. It was a world title fight.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the things I love about One Championship
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  Speaker 1: is that they're mixing it up. So when I got
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity to go over there and compete, I knew
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  Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to do something fun like I
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  Speaker 1: did with Rod Tate.
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  Speaker 2: Now, was it difficult to make that decision to leave
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  Speaker 2: the UFC? Because you were, you know, coming off of
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  Speaker 2: a very close, controversial loss to Henry Cejudo. Very close fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was, like, mostly the wrestling. A couple
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  Speaker 2: takedowns that he got.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a couple takedowns. And I think I
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  Speaker 1: relied too much on lay kicks. Like, in that fight,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get him down to the ground. The striking
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  Speaker 1: scene on the feet, like, with the hands, it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like it was pretty even. I think I outlanded him. Like,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at the strike, copy block strike numbers.
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  Speaker 1: But I felt like I relied too much on the
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  Speaker 1: leg kicks because I was fucking tearing those legs up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you hurt his leg real bad in that first round. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: He got that drop foot thing going on. Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 1: He had the drop thing going on. But I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get there with the hands, right? I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: knock him with the hands. So I was like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what? I'm going to tear your leg up. Kept
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  Speaker 1: on tearing the leg up. And when the fight ended,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, ah, he probably got it. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, he beat me. And then they read the scorecard,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, huh, it is what it is. Like,
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 2: So what was the decision after that? Like, what was
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  Speaker 2: that like?
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  Speaker 1: So it was frustrating. Um, but then, you know, at
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  Speaker 1: the time I was like, I wonder if I can
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  Speaker 1: do something different. Right. Cause I was going in the
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  Speaker 1: back and at the time Maki, Maki was in, uh,
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  Speaker 1: managing me. He still is, uh, first round manager is.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, he was like, you tell me
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  Speaker 1: what you want to do, bro. You know, you send
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  Speaker 1: me a note and we'll figure it out. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if I get out of my contract.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, try to do something different.
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  Speaker 1: Cause at the time I looked at it this way.
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  Speaker 1: If I were to fight Henry Cejudo again for the
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  Speaker 1: third time, it could have gone either two ways. One,
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  Speaker 1: I beat Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same
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  Speaker 1: situation I am right now when at the time they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to get rid of, they're in talks about getting
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  Speaker 1: rid of the flyweight division, right? Or two, if I
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  Speaker 1: lose to Henry, then I'm still stuck in the same
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  Speaker 1: position I just lost to him again. So why not
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: see if I can go explore other options, right? And
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  Speaker 1: then that's when the trade talks came about.
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  Speaker 2: And so the UFC just said, fine, go ahead?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was more to it, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, Chacha just talked about it. I heard you had
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  Speaker 1: something to do with it as well.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, I did. What did I have to do?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll get to that point. Obviously, Ben Askren has
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  Speaker 1: been wanting to fight in the UFC for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: One championship in the UFC, we're talking back and forth
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  Speaker 1: between Hunter and Matt Hume and Malky. They're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's do a trade. We'll give you Ben Askren for
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  Speaker 1: Demetrius Johnson. And then at one point I heard that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Dana was like, nah, I don't, I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make that happen. Right. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the full, I'm not in the room where all
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  Speaker 1: the puzzle pieces are being shifted. And then I was
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  Speaker 1: hanging out somewhere and then somebody said, you know, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Rogan had a PC and I was like, really? He goes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I was told that you kind of convinced him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, who gives a shit? Like just get, get
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  Speaker 1: Ben Askin or something like that. So yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So. That's not really accurate. No. I definitely was
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  Speaker 2: trying to get them to get Ben Askren, but I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to get them to get Ben Askren back
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  Speaker 2: when he was at Bellator, when he was in his prime.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was like, listen, man, this guy is
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  Speaker 2: wrestle-fucking everybody. I want to see if he could do
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  Speaker 2: that to the whole division. When Ben was in his prime,
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  Speaker 2: when he did that to Koroskov, when he did that
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  Speaker 2: to Douglas Lima, I was like, you got to understand
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  Speaker 2: how crazy this is, that this guy can do this
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  Speaker 2: to everybody. People say, oh, it's boring, it's boring. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: It's fighting.
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  Speaker 2: It's fighting. This guy is imposing his style on these murderers.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Koroskov was a murderer, and Douglas Lima is
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  Speaker 2: a fucking savage. And he was just ragdolling these dudes
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  Speaker 2: and doing it in weird ways.
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  Speaker 1: I remember he... He has a funky style about doing things.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember somebody said he was training with him
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  Speaker 1: and he was able to twist and turn a certain
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: way to where a normal human being would do it.
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  Speaker 1: They would like tear their cartilage in their ribs. And
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  Speaker 1: he was able to do that and bring him back
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  Speaker 1: to where he was. And I was like, yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: that's a freak right there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's always wrestled like that because he's not like
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  Speaker 2: a physically imposing guy. I'm sure he's very strong because
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  Speaker 2: he's been wrestling his whole life. Yeah. his style was
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  Speaker 2: always like this weird style that was very difficult for
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  Speaker 2: people to understand. So they would try to do traditional
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  Speaker 2: shit with him, and all of a sudden they'd be
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  Speaker 2: on their back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just didn't work.
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  Speaker 2: By the time we got him, though, he was already
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: fucked up. He needed a hip replacement.
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  Speaker 1: And he was already retired, right? And so that's what
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  Speaker 1: I heard. And so when they wanted to do that trade,
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we'll take Demetrius over Ben because Demetrius
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: is still active and he's still, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, still.
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  Speaker 1: I always look at myself as a workhorse, right? Like
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: I will, you're paying me to fight. I'm going to fight. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think it was a no brainer for them.
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  Speaker 1: And that's, that's how it happened.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I definitely would have kept you in the UFC.
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  Speaker 2: So that's not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sweetheart.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at guys like Davidson Figueredo,
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: Brandon Moreno, there's some amazing fights for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And the flyweight division has sort of risen up now. There's,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of like very interesting contenders now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But. I don't have any say in like what goes down. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the guy in the negotiating room.
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  Speaker 1: Why am I saying you were the one that was like,
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  Speaker 1: we need to make this happen. Okay, we need to
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  Speaker 1: make it happen. Like, I just heard that you kind
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: of had like some type of persuasion, I guess you
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: can say, when you guys were out and about. But
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: that's what I've been told. Like I said, I don't
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: know the full story because I'm just an athlete. I'm just, hey,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: this is what I want. Can you guys make it happen?
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Then I'll let the higher ups like Hunter, Matt Hume, Malky,
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: they're doing all the pieces. And then, You know, shit,
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: from all I know, that could have been a fucking rumor, right?
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a rumor.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, there you go, Lee, John.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: It's a rumor.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Don't believe everything you hear.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: But I definitely was excited to see Ben Askren come
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: over to the UFC. And also, as a fight fan,
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: I was excited to see you go over to one. Yeah.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: Because the same way I was excited to see Eddie
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Alvarez over there. And I think we need more events.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: More competition is good. 1,000%. It's good for everybody.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: What you're seeing now with 1FC is these world-class fucking guys.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Who's that guy that just fought John Lineker and broke
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: his cup?
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Fabricio Andrade.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Fucking beast, man. Fucking beast.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: He's nasty. He's a nasty man.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Fucking beast. And I'm like, look, man, these guys are
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: out there. Oh, yeah. The thing is, there's only so
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: many slots in the UFC.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: And every now and then, a guy like Shavkat Rakhmanov
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: comes on along. You're like, where the fuck did this
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: guy come from? Well, those dudes are out there in
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: They're kickboxers. They're sambo guys. They're jiu-jitsu guys. They're out
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: there in the world. Yeah.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I think for Bruce Andrade, absolutely amazing. That fight against
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: him and John Lineker. Ooh.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Bro, he was putting the boots to Lineker.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was timing that fucking hook. Because John Lineker,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: he throws punches straight hardly, but it's usually the wild
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: winged punches, right? And with Fabrizio being so much taller
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: than him, he's able to have good rhythm, throw that
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: lead punch. I mean, right here, he was just like, boom.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: He nailed him with that knee to the body, but
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: then unfortunately.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Followed up with one right in the cup. Yeah, first off,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: why is John Lineker wearing a plastic cup?
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: I know, right? Why doesn't he have, like, one of
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: those diamond MMA cups?
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: Like, I have a steel cup, and it still hurts.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, you have a steel cup?
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah, I have a steel cup.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: They allow you to wear steel cups? Goddamn right.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Gotta protect these balls, baby.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I understand. Yeah. I understand.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: You're a father.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't need them anymore, but I still want
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: to have them.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: You're done?
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah, I'm done. Absolutely.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: But the steel cup is kind of fucked up. Why?
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Because it's metal. Because you're hitting metal. You're hitting my balls.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: You definitely shouldn't hit it. Okay. But, you know, you could...
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: accidentally break your foot on metal.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I can accidentally break my foot on your elbow.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I guess you could.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it definitely happens.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: But I feel like it should be, like the diamond
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: MMA cup I think is the perfect balance because it's
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: a compression cup. It's hard as fuck. You can take
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: a solid shot.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Is it hard as steel?
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: It's definitely not. Okay.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Well, there we go.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: But there's advantages to the diamond cup or, excuse me,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: to the steel cup. that I feel like might be
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: a little unfair, particularly with leverage in arm bars. Because
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: it creates a fulcrum. Like, you've got a steel thing,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: and you're bending the elbow over a steel thing.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you like it. I love it. Kenny Florian told
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: me that, too. He always fought with a steel cup on.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: For me, I've been kicked in the balls before.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Mm, me too. Yeah, and after— Not fun.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I think it was my second Ian McCall— I think
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: it was my second Ian McCall fight. So I kicked
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: in the balls, go home, and, you know, your balls,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: and you got your testicles. Well, balls, testicles. You have
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: your wires behind you, right? And next thing you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit, like, my balls hurt. Like, two weeks,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: three weeks. And next thing you know, I'm like, something's wrong, babe. Like,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: something is wrong. So I go to the doctor, and
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: he's like, you know, checking underneath there. He goes, do
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you got a hernia? I was like, you're fucking lying.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, you got a hernia. So I was
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: about to get surgery to fix a hernia. Then my
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: wife was like, let's get a second opinion, right? I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: go to another doctor. And he's checking underneath there. And
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: he goes, oh, dog, your wires are.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Swollen.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: You don't have a hernia. And so he was like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you just need naproxen to get that inflammation out of
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: your sack, essentially.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: You need a what to get the inflammation down?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Naproxen. Naproxen? I think it's naproxen. It's an anti-inflammatory.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So I took some of that, and that cleared it up.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But just from that kick, and I think this time
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I was wearing a plastic cup. He kicked me there,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and my shirt was swollen. I was like, yeah, never again.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to wear a fucking... plastic cup and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: wearing a steel cup because you're getting kicked in the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: balls and needing the balls.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: It's definitely the best protection.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's why I wear it. Even now, I've
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: been grappling in the gi. I still wear my cup
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: when I grapple in the gi.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I trained with this dude once who had a steel
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: cup on and we were grappling and he mounted me
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And put his steel cup in my fucking solar plexus
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: with grapevines. Yeah. And I was like, God damn, dude.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up. It was so hard. It was like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: it was just a metal piece just digging into your chest. Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And he was a little bigger than me, too. So
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: he was like, all this weight on me.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: He was like.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: He's basically dick-fucking me with a metal piece.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I guess you could say that. It's rude. I mean,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I don't do that, right?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do that. And for me, if my
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: opponent wants to wear a steel cup, please do. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: will insist you do wear a steel cup because, you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I can't promise that my kicks aren't going to make
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it up there. Right.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Shit happens.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: They collide.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I'd rather you do everything you can to protect your balls. Yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Whether you want to wear plastic.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Well, if you guys have lost balls. You know, there
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was a guy who was one of the Miltich guys
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: who he was training and he didn't wear a cup
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: for like the last round. He's like, last round, just
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like a light sparring. And some dude kicked him and
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: his ball exploded. It's happened a bunch of times. You see?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: See, now you're on my side. You're going to go
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: home like, I need a steel cup.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like the diamonds, those diamond MMA cups
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: because they come with compression shorts and they really cinch
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: up tight.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I have to look into it because I, it's funny
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because when I do grapple, they're like, why do you
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: have that cup? And I was like, I was really
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: grappling the other night, and a guy tried to kick
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: me over, kick me straight, straight in the balls. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, and it went, like, dong. And I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: was like, you see, that's why I had that on,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: because if you would have hit me there, I would
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: have tapped him, like, I need 15 minutes to rest
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: because you hit my balls.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Right, and hopefully you didn't damage him. Hopefully it's just
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a bruise. Exactly. Yeah, balls are fucking terrible design, God.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Why did you put them on the outside like that?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I'll put two things and let it hang there and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: don't let them get hit because it's going to hurt
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: truly bad.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: How about some more time in the design and implementation
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: phase of the human being?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: He's like, I got all this extra stuff.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It's the case with all animals. I was watching a
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: lion kill a zebra the other day because I'm a mess. Yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And that's my algorithm. And so I was watching this
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: lion kill a zebra and it was horrible because the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: lions had the zebra down like a couple lions and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: one lion just goes right to the sack.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: That's my sack.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: That's mine.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Don't touch it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And she's just pulling the nut sack off of this zebra.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, God damn it. What a terrible design.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: It's a faulty design in all the species, right? Yeah,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: all of them.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: All the male species. Like the whole planet except for
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: like crustaceans and fish and snakes and shit. But everybody else,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: nuts are on the outside. Reptiles.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe we'll evolve and something will happen.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Who knows? Maybe. Oh, Jesus Christ. Jamie, son of a bitch.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Jamie goes right to it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It's so horrible, man. Look at her. She's just pulling
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: on that sack. Bro, you can see more.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: You can see more ruthless shit online. I was watching
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: online today. I saw a dude kill a dude with
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: an axe. I was just like on my Instagram feed.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: My Instagram feed. Some dude is at a store holding
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: onto an axe and he's like swinging the axe. The
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: dude is sitting there on his phone and this guy
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: just axes him in the middle of his forehead. Wow.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Just decides to fuck it and just swings and just
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: buries the axe in this dude's head.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's fucking horrible. You shouldn't be watching that stuff. That's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: bad for you.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I couldn't help it. It just showed up. I was like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is this motherfucker really going to hit him with an
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: axe on Instagram? Like, yep. Yeah. Wow. You see so
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: much shit. You see more mayhem, more chaos, more animals
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: getting torn apart by lions and leopards and shit. It's
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: like you see so much.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The internet is a dangerous place. I try to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: stay off it as much as possible. And the fact
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that you can see shit like that on the internet
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: where somebody just acts in the forehead is absolutely crazy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. The fact that it's on Instagram, I mean,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they pull it eventually.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: But someone's got to report it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure when it's on there, somebody took a screen capture,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: reported it, and then it's off.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You know? And then they put it on Reddit, and
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: now it's on 4chan.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: If it makes it on the internet, it's there forever.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Forever.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It's surfing around somebody's, you know. you know, mainframe somewhere.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But on the plus side, like, if you're a martial artist,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: your access to techniques is off the charts. 1000%. Like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: when you started, when you were 18 years old, like,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: what year was that?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'll say 2006.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't nearly as much available. There was some.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: It was definitely better than, like, starting in the 90s.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, 1000%.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: But what the fuck, man? There's so much information now
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: on technique and on, you could watch so many different styles,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: so many different people competing, both in Muay Thai and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Jiu Jitsu and wrestling and everything.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yep. Well, it's funny because, uh, when I'm grappling in
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: my gi, I'll come back, I'll see someone on Instagram.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I see that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'll come to Joe. I'm like, ah, ha, success, it works.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And then I'll get them to choke. And I'm like,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I learned that on Instagram. They're like, shut the hell up.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: They're like, swear to God, just this morning. But yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I think the internet, the internet could be a good place.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It could be a horrible place.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Right. And I think, well, that's humans.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that's true.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Humans could be good or they could be horrible. 1000%.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: The internet is just information.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So I think, there's great information on the internet to get,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, techniques to see how somebody done a certain
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: move or how they're manipulating or shit to fix a
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: car as well. Right. Like, you know, a lot of
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: times when I have a problem, my wife's like, babe,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't get this to work. I'm like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: hang up, baby. I'll try it. I'm like, well, let
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: me go in my office real quick. Let me, I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: gotta go read a book right back.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Come back up. Like I'm a fucking genius. Oh, you
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: just got to do this and this. And she goes, wow,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: good job. I was like, yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: She doesn't know about the internet?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, she does, but.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Keep her in the dark.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Well, she... Keep her in the dark.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Keep her thinking that you're a wizard. So, One is
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: also streaming, right? They stream on... Is it on Amazon
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Prime now?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Amazon Prime.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: That is... That's great.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: That is amazing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: That's great. Amazing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Like, after the TNT deal, I think we did four
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: fights on TNT. I felt like TNT was really focused
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: on AEW, right? Like every single time you go on TNT,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it was always AEW, AEW. Using us, I felt using
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: us as a launcher platform to bring more fans to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: AEW from my perspective. But like when the deal happened
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: with Amazon, I didn't know it did. And then, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: there's talks about like, hey, we just landed a brand
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: new U.S. broadcast deal. And I was like, okay, who
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: could it be? Is it, you know, YouTube?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Who is it?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And they see it was actually Amazon. Amazon, I was like, oh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: this is a.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Fucking game changer. It is if Amazon gets behind it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: They are. Are they getting behind it in terms of publicity? 1,000%. Yeah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that's good. I mean... Because they have so much... It's
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: such a weird platform because you also can buy shoes.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: You know, you could buy fucking jumper cables. You buy anything.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You can buy anything.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You can buy a kidney on fucking Amazon.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But if you have Amazon Prime, which like most people do,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you also have access to all these television shows.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Music, television shows.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Terminalist.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Terminalist. Amazing. Yeah. Ring of Powers. And then now we
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: have live fights.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: With the World Championship.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love that they're doing that. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: just want more opportunities for fighters because I think if
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the sport is going to grow, I love the UFC, obviously.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not working anywhere else. But there's only 500 fighters
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: in the UFC.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: There's thousands. And thousands of elite fighters all over the world.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And if they don't get a shot, guys like Adriano,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: guys like, what's the guy's name that fought Lineker again?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Fabricio Andrade.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Guys like that. Like, where's that guy coming from? You know?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys like, who's the, what's the dude that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: knocked out Giorgio Petrosian? Superbond.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Nasty. Nasty. Nasty.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: To do that to Petrosian? I mean, Petrosian is like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: recognized as one of the very best kickboxers of all time.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And for him to, like, right kick to the body,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: right kick to the head like that, holy shit.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, like, when I tell people the kickboxing, like.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this. Right kick to the body.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Right kick to the body.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To see Petrosian go out like that is wild.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Has he fought since? Yeah.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has. I don't think he has, yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: That's one of those KOs that, you know, like when
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Terry Adam got knocked out by Edson Barbosa.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, the spinning back kick.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: You're like, I don't know if you come back from
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that one. Yeah. There's sometimes when dudes get hit, it's like,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it's so brutal, you might never see them again. Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I love about one championship is like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, man, you know, the striking's unbelievable. But
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, dude, like, you want to see
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: some high-level fucking striking? Like, Superbond, Giorgio... my favorite person
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to watch that's just pure kickboxing is Hiro Akimoto. Like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I was there live when he won the belt. I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: think it was, it was in Singapore. I was sitting
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: there watching it and I was like, oh my God,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like this man, like his, bop, bop, bop, kick, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he'll block and then fire back immediately. And I'm like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: fucking A, man. I was like, absolutely amazing. Like, just,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm blowing away.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the, also the beautiful things about
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: what they're doing at one is that you get to
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: see striking with no grappling, no grappling. So you get
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to see what the most elite expression.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Exactly. The purest form.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: The purest form of striking. Like these two guys, that's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: all we do. We don't play on the ground. We
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: don't grapple. It's pure striking. And that's like one of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the things I love to watch is like when I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: sitting there and people are like, Oh man, what do
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you like to watch? Well, obviously I like to watch,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: you know, mixed martial arts. But when I get the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: chance to watch like high level, like kickboxing, especially heavyweights
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: who move fast, like, I don't know the gentleman's name.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: There's a kickboxer one. He's fucking massive. And he's got
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: fucking six pack. And he's got good packs. He's just,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: he looks like a superhero. And he's like, bop, bop, bop,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: high kick, uppercut, right hand. I was like, oh my God,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: this is amazing. That's one of the things I love
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: about with one chip ship. It's just, you get the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: purest of the form.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Of the Martians. But then in contrast, you get to see...
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: There he is!
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: That... Look at him!
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Let me see that again.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Built like a fucking superhero, Pop. Look at that.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Jesus, who is that dude? Fuck. Roman Krily... Kri... Krikula?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: How do you say it? Kriklia? Kriklia? Like, dude, like,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: look at that guy.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, Jesus Louisa.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What has just happened to me?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And then, look, he's coming.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Look at him.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Come right back for some more. Just getting right back
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in there. Pop, pop, pop.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Just. Is he Russian, that dude? I have no idea.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Sounds Russian. Yeah. Whatever it is from that part of
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the thing I love about watching one is, like,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: when he fights, I always try to watch.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: He, you know, he, and then boom, like you're just exchanging.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Like we were like, I hate watching. I hate watching grappling.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, perfect. Watch this and don't say anything.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Shut your mouth and just enjoy this. Like, like stand
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: up is just, I just love it. It's just, that's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the purest, like MMA striking would never get there.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it can't, it can't. And the good contrast to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that is your second round with Rod Tang.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Like this is why MMA striking, because you can't open
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: yourself up like that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: No, you can't.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Like go to that second round, go to the second
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: round with Rod Tang and DJ.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So this is the second round. You're like, okay, baby.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Now it's time to get it back. And you can
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: see Rod tagging. He doesn't look nearly as confident either.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He kind of realizes. Look how he's on the outside now.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Different game, right? It's a different game.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Fuck yes.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Look at him now. Look at the difference. Look at
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the fucking difference. Man, what a contrast.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: My corner man, James, James, I love that man. He goes,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: look at him.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: He's running. Look at him.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: He's running right now.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Of course he's running. What's a wild contrast difference between
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the first and the second round?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Well, like you said, you can't open yourself up.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: He really can't even move forward.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Because if he does, I'm taking you down.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: He's basically resigning himself to being defensive in this round.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Look at how his hands are positioned. He's looking to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: just push you away. He's looking to get the fuck
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: out of there.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And for me, it was like, I have three minutes
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to work, right? And I'm like, okay, I got to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: make sure when I get there, I have to be subtle.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So these are one of the things I felt that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: helped me in my evolution. It's becoming better. I know
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it's crazy to say it being 36 years old. It's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: just taking my time.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Look at that. Duck under. Yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Just taking my time.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That's a wrap, son. You ain't getting out of this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: That was the beautiful thing about watching that fight is
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: seeing the difference between these elite strikers when they're just
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: allowed to strike and then seeing the difference between an
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: elite MMA fighter and how he knows he can't implement
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: his game the same way. I mean, that's just how it's...
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: This is a beautiful example of why mixed martial arts
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: is the best combat sport in the world. 1,000%.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's... It's the best art form, right? Obviously,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you're bringing all of them together. But if you have
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: somebody who's a great boxer, you know, if you're an
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: MMA guy, you can play in that realm of boxing.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: You can take him to a place where he can't breathe.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Or if you have a guy who's a great jiu-jitsu guy,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it's like perfect. I'm not going to go to the ground.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: If we do, I'm going to punch you in the face.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Like Matt Hughes. He's like, everybody can go inside your armbar.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So you punch him in the face and, you know, everything,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you know, is forgotten.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're creeping with that left arm. Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Here, I've been focused on in the training camp. I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: didn't care if I got underneath your chin. I was
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: working on my squeeze and just try to squeeze the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: blood out of your head.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: And so. That was amazing. And that dude fucking hung
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: in there, man.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: He hung in there. He took it. I mean, he's
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: getting the fuck choked out of him, too.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: See, he's got a steel cup on. It's actually a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai steel cup.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So. And he went out, too.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Good for him. No tapping.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Just tried to hang in there as long as he could.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: But that, to me, is one of the more interesting
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: things about seeing a match like that. It's like you
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: get to see. It's people that don't know go, oh,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: who's going to beat that guy? Look at his striking.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: He's going after Mighty Mouse, one of the greatest of
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: all time. Look how he's beating him up. And then
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you see the sacro.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's what would happen. Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: That's what would happen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: That's why I love, like I said, that's why I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: love when they offer me that fight. At the beginning,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we want you to fight Ra-Tang for
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the Muay Thai World Championship. I was like, guys, I'm
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: very grateful. I'm very appalled. They're trying to kill you.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: They're trying to kill you.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: They do shit like that over there, dude. I mean,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: when Saryukian, when Eddie Alvarez fought Saryukian.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Saryukian.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: That's the dude who knocked him out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: In What Chip Chip?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Who blew his eyeball up?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: The first dude he fought over there.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Timothy Nasty Newkin.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's right. I'm thinking of a different guy.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but blew his eyeball up, right?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: The names sound the same.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Timothy. I think of Nasty Newkin.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nasty Newkin.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I call him Mr.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Nasty. He is nasty.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But he's another one of those guys. You never heard
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of him.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You never heard of him.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: But then you watch him fight. Find that fight. You
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: never see him before, but go before the KO. But
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: when you see him fight, you're like, Jesus Christ, out
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of nowhere.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Where the fuck's this guy been?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Right, out of nowhere and big as fuck, too.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Eddie's fighting at 170 right now.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So it's not 155 like when he's fighting in the UFC.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So in one championship, there's no weight cutting. You have
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to weigh in hydrated, right? So that's why the guy
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: looks massive compared to Eddie. Think about it. Eddie's been spinning...
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: pretty much all his career cut into 155. He's a
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: big 155. He's a huge 155. So now that he's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: fighting guys in 170, the proportion, you've seen a guy
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: at 155 his whole career, and now he's at 170.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's going to look different, right?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Now, how do they do the hydration thing? Because that's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: very controversial.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Because, like, didn't nine people miss weight in the last event?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So how they do it. So when you weigh in,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: first you got to do your hydration. You got to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: do your hydration test. You go in the bathroom. Guy
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: watches you pee in the cup. You bring it out.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They sit up there and they test the gravity of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: your urine, right? So obviously the urine is more.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Space piss.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? So they test our space piss, as you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: would call it, and they want to see the gravity, right?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: So if it's more yellow, which means you're more dehydrated,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's, there's a, I forget what it's called,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: but it's a little, almost like a thermometer, right? It's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like 2, I think it's a 2.5, if it's 2.50,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you're on the cusp, right? If it's 2.51, you're on
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the cusp.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You're dehydrated. You fail.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: If you're overly hydrated, because if you just drink a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of water, you're going to piss clear. That
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: means you're overly hydrated. People have failed that as well.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Overly hydrated? How can you be overly hydrated? Is that
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: because you're trying to mask the fact that you're dehydrated?
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: It could be something like that. I remember there was
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: a time in a fight where Shingo Aoki, he peed
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and his shit was like 0-0-0-1. And they're like, dude,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you're way overly hydrated. Come back and do it. They
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: might have changed it Right? But this was back in, like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I think we're fighting, it was in Japan, I think
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: in 2019, I feel like. And so, you want to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: be in a sweet spot.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be too low. You don't want
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to be too high. Right? So, I just try to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: be right in the middle.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: So, how do they make sure that that's your actual weight, though? So.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: You can't really.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you can't.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: You really can't.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But what you can do is prevent seriously what Hamzat
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Shmaev does.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's that kind of shit. 1,000%, right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Where you're cutting 35 pounds.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. If you fight, so my natural
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: walk-around weight, like whatever I want to eat and all
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that stuff, is like 142, right? So when I started dieting,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I'll get down to 138 and working out, right? So
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I'm three pounds away from the cutoff for 135.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Reasonable. Reasonable.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Like when I was making 125, I was fucking like
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: not killing myself, but I was cutting weight.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: What would you weigh the day before you began your
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: cut at 125?
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: About 128, 127. Oh, that's not bad.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. But you dehydrate or you dieted.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So I would drink two gallons of water for two
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: weeks straight. So I think a gallon of water is what?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Eight pounds. I think you're right. Eight pounds.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong. Can you explain how that works?
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So what I did when I was cutting 125,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I drank two gallons of water for two weeks straight.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: And what you're doing is you're water loading your body.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So you're basically just pissing all day. So your body
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: gets used to having all this extra water on you. Right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And then as you're dieting. Yeah. So eight pounds. See,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: my math is good. So it's eight pounds. So if
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I drink two gallons of water, I got 16 pounds
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of water in me that I can lose. So when
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I jump in the tub to cut my weight, I'm
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: not pulling from my organs, my kidneys, and all that stuff.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And then you make 125, you get out, and then
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I would make the weight, right?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: So that's what it does. It keeps it from pulling
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: from your organs?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: From my scientific, I'm not a scientist, Joe, but I've
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: never missed weight. I'm not. You didn't know that?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Oh, shit.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Well, now you know. I'm not a scientist, all right?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm not a fucking doctor as well. So people,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: when you hear this, don't say it. I said you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: can do it. But that's what I did, right? I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: would drink two gallons of water.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Do you ever do distilled water? Nope.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Just basic water.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I've heard that's dangerous.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that, too. I heard somebody had a
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: seizure on that shit.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: So I was like, nope.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Because you're just robbing your body of electrolytes, right? Minerals.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And you are pissing out your electrolytes and your minerals, too, right?
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Because when you drink that much water, I mean, two gallons. Like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: when I fought Kyojo Horiguchi... I got like, I guess
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: you call it water poison because I was going from Toronto,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: excuse me, from Seattle all the way to Toronto, right?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm dieting too. So there's nothing in a plane
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that you can eat that's gonna, you know, it's all
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: full of sodium. I'm gonna hang on to all the water, right?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And obviously you cut off the sodium so your body
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: flushes the water. But on the way to Toronto, I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: drank two gallons of water before boarding the plane, right?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And so the whole plane ride, I need anything just
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: pounding water. I get there and I'm just sick, like
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: just as a dog. And next thing you know, Matt's like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: usually when I land, I always get work. And I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was like, Matt, I don't feel good. Like I don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: want to work out. And he goes, okay, all right,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: no worries.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Go to bed.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Next day, woke up and he goes, Hey, you need
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to eat. And I ate shit just right through me.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And I just couldn't keep anything down. And the next
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: thing you know, a couple of days, he goes, don't train,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: just relax. And, And then the UFC wanted me to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: do media, and he was like, no, dog, he's not
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: feeling good. Then eventually the third day started to feel better.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And then when it came to cutting weight, I was
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: able to make weight because I was just losing so
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: much from, you know, being sick. And I remember the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: first time in the fight when I got taken down,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I think it was the first or the second round,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't fucking want to be here
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Like, I am.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just not. I'm not here. Like, I'm not in it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But then, you know, we rallied in.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: People have died from drinking too much water. Oh, I know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Which is so crazy. Like fraternity hazings and shit.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Well, shit, I hear GSP does, what, a water fast
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: for three days? I was talking to some gentlemen here,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we're about to do our three-day
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: water fast, man. I'm super pumped. I was like, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: would get a headache. Like, I just couldn't do it.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he doesn't drink that much water. He just
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: drinks only water.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah. He's not drinking two gallons. So I misinterpreted that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: He's just drinking two gallons of water.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Let's go, boys.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: So that's what I did when I cut 125. I
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: drink two gallons of water for two weeks straight, diet down,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: cut out the sodium, cut out, then I'll cut off
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: water the day before weigh-ins and then sit in the tub,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: boil myself.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Why the tub and not the sauna?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Because the sauna was not accessible depending on where you're fighting. Right.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Like you always got to tell wherever you're fighting.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I remember when I fought Joseph the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: second time, I cut like 8.2 pounds.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: 8.2 pounds that day to make the weight and we
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: use a tub. So, it works good.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So, what one FC does is, how many days before
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the fight do they test your hydration?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So, before COVID, which is this is what I really like,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this is how you try to keep people at the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: same weight, right? Like how you have something blowing from
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: 180 coming down to 140, right? Obviously, you can't stop it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It's going to happen, right? But you would have to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: weigh in two times, right? So in the past, you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: would fight on Saturday. So you weigh in Thursday, test hydration,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and weigh in Friday, test hydration again.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And weigh in.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: So if I weighed 135 on Thursday, 135 on Friday,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the likely chance of me blowing up to whatever, 155
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: or 165, it's kind of not going to happen. Unless
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to put on too much excessive weight, right?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And then now they weigh you after you're done fighting.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So that's another thing they're starting to implement as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So when I fought Adriano, weighed 135. After the fight,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I weighed 138. And then the next day, I woke
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: up weighing 136. So I don't blow back up, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like these guys do when they cut all that massive weight.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing is that hydration, check the weight.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: If you fail hydration, you're not checking your weight, right?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: You might be on weight. You might be 135, but
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you're fucking over dehydrated. They're not going to let you
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: step on the scale. They're like, nope, go get hydrated. Obviously,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to get hydrated, you got to drink water. You drink water,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you get heavier. So what do they do?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: If you miss the weight. Like when all those people
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: missed weight, there was like nine fighters in the car
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: that missed weight.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: They have opportunity to go back and get their hydration
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in check and get their weight in check.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: But if you're missing weight, you're too big.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: How are you going to get smaller without dehydrating?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: That's the science behind it. You have to. So what
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I've heard people do is that they will, they would,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you know, drink a lot of water, get their bladder
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: full of hydrated water.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And then they'll go work out. lose the weight, and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: your bladder still has that hydrated water. And then what
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I do is I'm on weight. I weigh 135. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: have this hydrated water or urine, space piss, in my bladder.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Then I go out there and I pee, hydrated, hydrated,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and then I weigh in 135. So I've heard people
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: do that before as well.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So there's like some shenanigans, but less.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: There's always going to be some shenanigans, right? But I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is that weighing after the fight.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Because after you fight, if I fought Adrian, I weighed
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: in 135, and I come off the scale, off the cage,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like 162, and they weigh me, then it's like, okay, dude,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: that's too big of a drastic jump between 135 to 165.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Do you think there should be more weight classes in MMA? Nah. No?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I think they're good. I think 135, 125, 135, 145, 155.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I think there could be 160, but here's the thing.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Bless you, honey.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Bless you. That was a wild one. I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: almost pulled my back out with that one. I was like, woo.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I think when you have more of these weight classes,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: you're going to start seeing people try to go from
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: 155 to 185, right? No, 70, 85. Oh, 170. Yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: so I think it's fine. 70 to 85 is a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: big jump, though.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It's only 15 pounds.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That's a lot. It's true.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: That's a lot. Fuck, I grapple people who are way bigger.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not fighting them, so it's different.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Right, but the fighting thing is the difference.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: And then 85 to 205 is crazy. Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could. I mean, I don't see why not.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Obviously, more weight classes, more opportunities for fighters to make money. So,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: why not?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: More champions. More champions. More champion versus champion matchups.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I can see. I mean, why not?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I think 10 pounds is reasonable. Every 10 is reasonable.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Just do that. 195, and then 215, and then heavyweight.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Call it big.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, let's see why not. I mean, it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: not like it's going to hurt anybody's brand if you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: add more weight classes.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think it would hurt anything.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But it'll give. more athletes opportunity to be able to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: make money and make small shots. And you won't have
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: people come, you know, cause when I'm over in Singapore
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: and I see the guys who make one 25, like
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Jared Brooks, um, and then, uh, Alex Silva, we're all
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the same height. And I'm like, how the fuck are
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you guys making one 25 hydrated? Like I can do it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: But then when I get next to him, like I'm
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: just more girthier, like I'm just bigger. And I'm like,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: But I'm the same height. So I feel, is it
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: because people have the opportunity to be at certain weight
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: classes where if he was to fight me at 135,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: then he'd be like, you know, there'd be a size disadvantage.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, especially at the lower weight classes, it's a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: larger percentage of your body weight. Like a 10-pound gap
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: at heavyweight is not that big of a deal.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: When it's at my weight, it's a huge deal because it's...
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the percentage of your body fat, or body fat,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: but your weight.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Another thing that I think is weird is the weight
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: limit at heavyweight.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. When they miss it, I'm like, how
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the fuck you miss 265?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: But the fact that it exists at all.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they should just have it open weight, just like.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you have a 265 cutoff for the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: biggest fighter in the UFC? I don't know. You know?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is what it is.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Because if Francis can weigh whatever the fuck he wants,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I want to see what he weighs. Yeah. He's like 308,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: 298 pounds.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I think he would probably be like, well, I think he'd.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Probably be exactly what he is. Yeah. I think he's
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: like the perfect specimen.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Exactly. I don't, I don't foresee him cutting a whole
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: bunch of weight.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think he cuts any weight, but he
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: just stays lean. Yeah. You know, which is perfect anyway.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I totally agree. Yeah. But when you think about the
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: opportunities that would be available if you had every 10 pounds,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I think I only see positives.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 1,000%. No negative.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Only positive.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Like you said, when you said it gives athletes a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: better opportunity to make more opportunity for athletes and fighters
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: to be able to compete, why not, right? Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I only see positives. So they came to you
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and they asked you to fight for the World Muay
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Thai Championship against Rob.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Back on that story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: just go on these little tangents, little journeys and shit.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it back. So... I was on the couch
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: with the wife, and now I was like, hey, babe. Well,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: they said, why don't you fight him? I was like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you know, guys, I'm grateful for the opportunity. But I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: was like, I have no interest in being a world
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai fighter. Like, I just don't. It's not on
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: my bucket list. I don't really care. But I was like,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: but I will fight. And I said, and I don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: want to disrespect the other guys. who been working their
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: whole lives to capture that dream.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Did you ask for MMA first?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I said, let me, let me, let
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: me finish the story. God damn.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. Sorry. Sorry.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Cut me off.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Joe was probably, I mean, one round MMA first.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get there.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: You're going to love it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I hope you love it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I love it. I'm sure I love it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: So I said, I said, I don't, I don't want
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to take that opportunity for somebody else who wants to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: be a Muay Thai world champion. I was like, I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: was like, I'll still fight Rod Tang. We could fight
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: through three, three threes. We do it in big gloves.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: We can make it happen. And they're like, yeah, okay,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: we'll come back to you. We'll think of something. And
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they called me back. And then I hung up the phone.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I talked to my wife. And she goes, who was that?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I was like, it was one. She goes, what do
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: they want? And I was like, do you want me
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to fight Ratan? And she goes, want you to fight Ratan?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah. And she goes, well, how do
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you feel about it? And I was like, it'll be fun.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. I was like, remember, this is
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: what they pay me to do is fight. This is
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: why I fight, to make money, right? And she goes, yeah, yeah.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: She goes, okay, well, you know, he's very dangerous. So
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Then they called me back and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, how about we do a special rules fight?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm listening. And they're like, one round
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai, second round MMA, third round Muay Thai, fourth
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: round MMA. And I was like, and what are the rounds?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: He's like, three minute rounds. I was like, still same,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: same contract pay and all that stuff. And he was like, yeah,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: but like send a contract. And then when, when it
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: got announced, Maki's like, dog, man, I can't believe you
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: do MMA first. And he was like, he was like,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: how can we argue for MMA? And I was like, guys,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'm 35 years old. I am tired of arguing and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: trying to, get the upper hand and do all that shit.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like, if I can't make it out
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the first round of Muay Thai, then so be it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Like, I just don't care. And that's
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: how I left it. I didn't care about if it
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: was first round Muay Thai or, Second round, I didn't care, right?
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I just truly didn't care.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we got to see the contrast that way.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: If we didn't, it would be.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: It would have been over in the first round. I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: would have gone out there, take him down, pass guard,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: submitted him, like, okay, GG's boy. But, you know, like
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I said.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: GG's boy?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Good game, baby. Oh.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You're doing video game talk.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am, I am.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: You're a heavy-duty gamer. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Sorry. But, yeah, so there was no back-and-forth. And that's how,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: for me, that's how I wanted to be. I'm at
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: the end of my career. I know it. There's an
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: end of the tunnel.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I see it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I'm smiling, looking at it. And the last thing I'm
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: going to do is sit here, go back and forth
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: with the company. I'm like, I really think we should
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: do MMA first. I was like, you know what? If
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I get knocked out the first round, I tried.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Did you talk to Brad Tang and all afterwards and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: ask him how he trained?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I said, how hard did I hit you? Was there
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a hard right here?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: He goes, he goes. It was okay.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: No, I was like, hey, boys, hey, hey, we take that.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: We'll take that, you know? But the beautiful thing about
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: over there is that it's like a frat house. Like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it's like a college house. What I mean by that is, like,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: after that fight, you know, we're all in the back.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: You see Stamp. You see Adriano. You see Yuya Wakamatsu.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: You see Ratang. We're all sitting there just talking, just
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: chopping it up. Like, you know, I remember Adriano told
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Stamp Pertesi, and Stamp was like, oh, I wanted to
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: win so bad. She fought Angelina that night, I believe.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And she goes, I wanted to win so bad. And
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Adriana was like, it's okay. Today, it wasn't your time.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You have to learn. You learn from this, right? So
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: we're all trying to make sure we all eat, right?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And it's not like you're back and you see fucking
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Leon Edwards and Jorge. They're always cutting each other down, right?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Like that's the biggest thing that I don't like seeing.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: It's like you don't have to cut somebody down to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: make yourself look better, right? Right.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: But that cutting down is part of the psychological warfare. Yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: For a weak minded person. Yeah. I mean, you can
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: say all the shit you want when that cage goes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I'm getting it. You're getting the full you're getting the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: full force of me. Like, I don't give two rats ass.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Whatever you say to me, like you can say whatever
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: you want. But not Kate. when that door closes, I'm
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: getting in your fucking ass.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Has anybody ever pissed you off to the point where
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: you fought differently? Nope. Nobody.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Because it's... Why are you saying something to begin with? Like.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: We're gonna fight.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: We're gonna fight. Like, you can say whatever you want. Like,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna... I'm just gonna bring it. Like, there's two
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: sides of me.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: There's... me who's just chilling and happy-go-lucky. And then there's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: a dark side of me where it's like, they're paying
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: me to fight. And this is what I provide my family.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: So you can say whatever the fuck you want to me.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: When that door closes, I'm going to give you every
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: bit of me. I'm going to, I fought with a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: broken hand, broken rib, broken leg. At the end of this,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: they're going to fix me back to 100%, but I'm
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: going to give you 100% of me. Like I tell myself,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: give yourself, focus 125% me on this task at hand.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So when I see people, cutting each other down in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a psychological war. And I'm like, why are you talking?
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up and just fight. Like the Islam
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and Charles Oliveira fight, like them, I get goosebumps seeing
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: them stare down and not talk. Because I know the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: gravity of what they bring to the table.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oliveira is so respectful.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: So respectful. And that makes me, that turns me on
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: even more to those athletes, right? Right. like people who
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: talk like i made you do this who gives a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: fuck but in my opinion right people oh man it's
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: selling tickets i don't care i'm watching because i i
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: know the gravity of your skill set that's what turns
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: me on right so but then there's a lot of
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: things where i try to just i try to push
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: my way because i go down like a rabbit hole
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: i'm like i don't need this it just it's kind
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: of like you when you're watching people getting murdered on
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the internet like for me i'm like I just got
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to step away for a little bit and push it away. Yeah.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: But the good thing about the shit talking is pay-per-view buys.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Like what Connor does.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. 100%.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: That dude brings eyeballs.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: 100%. And part of it is his ability.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: To talk?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but also to fight.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not going to lie. Hey, when Betch Grihera
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and Ronda Rousey were about to fight, and then I
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: remember Betch said something to Ronda, and Ronda was like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going to beat this bitch's ass. I was like,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I got to buy the pay-per-view. You sold me. I
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: purchased it, right? And, you know, O'Connor, I mean, he
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: took the sport to a whole new level. Like, I'll
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: never forget, I was playing Counter-Strike, right? And I'm sitting
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: there playing, shooting people. And then I was like, y'all
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: know who Conor McGregor is? He goes, yeah. What have
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: you been living on a fucking rock? I'm like, this
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: motherfucker made it into the gaming world. He don't even
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: play video games. Like, good for you, Conor. Good for you.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Do those people you're playing know it's you?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: No.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Living under a rock. Bitch, I've been living in a cage.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: My favorite thing is like when I'm out and about. Like,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I live in a nice, nice place, you know, Washington.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: And people will like, someone comes and goes, hey, man,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: can I get a picture? And then I'll take a picture.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, why not? If they know who I am,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I'll take a picture, right? But then my favorite is
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: when people are like, they're all looking around. They're looking
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: at this small 5'3 black guy in the middle of
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: nowhere with like two kids. They're like, who the fuck
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: is this guy? And I'm like, oh my God, are
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: you famous? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm famous. She goes,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: oh my God, what do you do? So I like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to have, I have a whole list of lies I
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: like to do. One of them is I am a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: CEO of a pharmaceutical company. And they're like, oh, what
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: type of pharmaceuticals? I'm like, oh, male enhancement pills. Whatever
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you need. Just go on these lies.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Why do you do that?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Because it's fucking fun. That's why I do it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I do it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: And then my favorite one was we would go to
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: a wedding. And we're at a wedding. And some people
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: recognize me. Some people don't. And they're like, oh, my God,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: who is that? And I'm like, oh, he's a famous person.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, what do you do? And I'm like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: work for NASA. And they're like... Just the most outlandish
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: shit ever. I was like, what for NASA? And I
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: was like, just got back from the moon. It's beautiful
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: out there. And I was like, I didn't even know
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: we went to the moon. I was like, absolutely. It's,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of shit out there. People
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: are just, just going to these stories. It's my acting career.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm working on. But I just do that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: So, but my kids are getting older. So they're starting
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to cut my, they're starting to cock block me. They're like, no, no, no.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: It's him. It's him. Yeah. It's Demetrius.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: It's him.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, time. You can't do that. Let
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: me have my fun while it lasts. So, so yeah, that's,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that's where I get my, That's where you.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Get your jollies. Yep. So who was the trash talk
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: to you the most before a fight?
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I think the two people was probably John Dodson, the
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: second fight, and Ray Borg. I remember when I fought
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: John Dodson, he said I was boring, X, Y, and Z.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: And so that fight, I was like, all right, I'm
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: just going to take it to you. Like when he
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: kicked me in the balls and like he kicked me,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: no break. You don't get no fucking break at all.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, okay, whatever. Even though I hurt,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: but you got that steel cup on. So it takes
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: some of that absorption. But when he said to me,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: he was like being bored and I was like, okay,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to push the pace. Like I'm just
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: going to try to drown you.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: And obviously I'm going to get the finish, but wasn't
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: able to get it. And then Ray Borg, he said,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: my wrestling wasn't good.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: And so I made it a point that I'm going
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to outscramble you in that fight. Like, Every single scramble,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I made sure I won that scramble because he said,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I cannot scramble you.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Bro, that finish was one of the wildest submissions I've
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: ever seen. Suplex to armbar in the air. Yeah. In
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the air you caught it. And then when you told
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: me that you practiced that. Yep. And then you hit
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: that in practice. I mean, that is wild. That's one
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: of the wildest finishes I've ever seen. Thanks, man. It
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: was beautiful.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When it got did to me first, Matt, he
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: did it to me. And he caught me. And I
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: was like, what? I was like, what the fuck was that?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: He goes, well, you're getting so good now. I can't
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: just do a basic arm bar. Like, I have to experiment, essentially.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: And so when he did it to me, I was like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you have to teach it to me. So I would
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: do it, and I'd do it. And he says, you
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: know what your biggest weakness is, Deej?
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: He goes, you think. Stop thinking and just do. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: then when I was in the fight.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: That's some Bruce Lee shit right there. Yeah, it is, right?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Let's take a look at it.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: That was so wild, man. That was so wild. Yeah.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's funny because he said, um, stop, stop thinking.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Just do, just let your body do it. It knows
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: what to do. And we just learned how to, um,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Matt was teaching Matt teaching in concept, which I love.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: And he said that if somebody is holding on to weight, right. If,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: if somebody is trying to be extremely heavy, um, you can't,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot harder to move somebody.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: But if you can get them to move their weight
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: or shift their weight a certain way, then they're lighter.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's where he was teaching at that time.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: So in that fight, I had Ray Borg's back and
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: he's being heavy. He's trying to like, he knows I'm
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: gonna try to get a takedown. He's trying to be heavy.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: So I said, okay, he's my mind. I was like, Hey,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: he's heavy right now. I was like, okay, I have
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: to make him shift his weight. I don't want to
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: shift his weight. He needs to shift the weight. So
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I kept needing him and needing him and needing him.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And then once he went like, bop, I was like, perfect.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You just shifted your weight. Go back, Jamie. If you
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: get to... That's sex stuff.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: At the beginning, he kind of elbows me in the
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: back of the face. And once he elbowed me, he
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: basically gave me his weight. And once he did that,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, perfect.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: And I just threw him up and got him. So, yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: But that finish and my last Adriano finish was probably like, Like,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: if I can have it on my, not on my wall,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: but if someone was like, hey, what are your best finishes?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I'll say those two because I think that's the pinnacle
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: of technique coming in real time.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Well, the Adriano, too, one of the beautiful things was
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you got him with the exact same thing he got
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: you with. Yes.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: But in a different way. A different way.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: 1,000%.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: And I think the distance control, following him, and then
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: knowing the cage is coming, and then just giving everything
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I had into it, was probably, like, that's, like, doesn't
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: get any better than that. That's, like, picture perfect. If
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you look at the slow-mo, you see I'm in southpaw position.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I'm on the outside lead leg, lining up my left
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: knee in milliseconds. Like, you're playing with windows of opportunity
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: that are open and closing like that. And then the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Ray Borgman is, like, I'm throwing him up, and then
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I have to make sure when he loses his balance,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I have to catch it and land and throw. Like,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I like working with, like, like, The windows are opportunity.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: So those two are like why they're my favorite because
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: it's like when you break down the technique of it,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it's like.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Find the Adriano one because the Adriano finish in the
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: last one was so beautiful what you're saying. Like where
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: you're like, not that, not that, bam, right there. Yeah,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: you can see it.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: And it's funny. People are like, man, what did you learn?
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Matt, he's done it to me my whole career. Not
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: blasting me in the face, but understanding, like, lining up
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: your knee, here comes the cage, or here comes the ring,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: and then throwing. And he's done it to me. I've
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: seen him do it to Rich. I've seen him do
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: it to Jens Pulver, Spencer Fisher. I've seen him do
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: it to all those guys. So being able to do
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: it in real time at a world championship level, it was, like, perfect, man.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the timing of it was fantastic. The fact that
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Matt has been your coach and you're one of the
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: greatest of all time, it's kind of amazing that there's
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: not more guys from him that are on that level.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: It takes a special, I think, bond. I think it
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: takes a special athlete. Obviously, injuries play a factor in that. Winning, competing,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: because you can teach somebody All that stuff. But to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: be able to do it under the light at the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: right time. And it's not all the stuff that goes
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: on in the gym. It's all the stuff that goes
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: on at home as well, right? Like got to live
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: a healthy lifestyle. Got to have, you know, at home
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: life's got to be amazing too. All that stuff comes in.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah otherwise it fucks with your head it does right
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: it i truly believe it does i think so too
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: so it's it's yes it's you know some of the
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff you do it in the gym
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: but it's also a lot of stuff you do at
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: the house.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: And this is when Yeah, look at this. Timing, bang. Oh,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: my God, that's beautiful. And the walk-off.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Olivier Kass says, I'm so glad that the fight
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: ended there because I didn't want to have to pull
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: you back to go fight more. And I was like,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: if you did, I would have came back, and I
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: would have finished it. I would have came back like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: all right, let's keep going.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: How did you know that he was completely done when
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you walked off? I mean, it's a perfect knee, but
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: watching this land... We got a stall on the internet here. Yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: it's fine. So, boom, it goes down, and you just knew.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: You didn't even follow up.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I threw everything I had in my knee. Like, I
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: threw everything I had in it, and I knew that
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it was... And if it wasn't, if he got back up,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: he got up and he goes, like, even that fight, like,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: there's a part where I shot and then he defends
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: a takedown because he's so fucking long. And he starts
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: kneeing me in the head, right? And I'm like, oh, shit, like, oh, shit, oh, shit,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: in my mind. And then when he's switching over for
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the darts, I said, I'm not fucking done yet. And
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I got up and then I kept on fighting. So
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: if he was to say the same thing, got up
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and goes, I'm not done yet. I'm like, perfect. I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: still got more energy to give you.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: That right hand was so perfect, too. The timing of that. Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: And that knee on the fucking cheekbone. Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: It was a good fight.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: It was a beautiful fight. And how satisfying was that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: for you to come back from the first fight that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: you guys had? It was good.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: It was good, but that guy's facing the right. I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: think it's the matchmaker, Rick. He's hilarious. For me, after
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the first fight I had with him, I went through, like,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I think 2019. I think it was 2019.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: 2020 was a huge....
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Like shift in my life, you know, that affected me
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: differently and my mindset. And so when I lost that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: first fight to him, I was so, wasn't mad about losing.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I was mad about, I put so much pressure on
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: myself about being perfect. And it just drove me insane.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Like everything I want to do is perfect. I still
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: had that in me, but.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: In what way? What do you mean?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, like, I felt like I remember
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: being in the hotel room and we watched the fight
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and then I felt like it was just have to cope.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: So my, my sister passed during, uh, I was getting
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: ready for a fight, right? This is where it kind
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of stemmed from. So I was getting ready for a fight.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: My sister, she, she died and then seeing her pass
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and then seeing basically the end game of life, right?
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Like being there and seeing her just like she's there
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: and then seeing her go through the trauma and then
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: her being gone and then seeing the traumatic, how it
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: affected my mom. And after, you know, I remember when
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: everything happened, I was in the hospital and I was like,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you guys need help clean up all this blood? Cause
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can help. And she goes, honey,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that's okay. Just, just go home. I was like, all right, mom,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I love you. Let me know if you need me.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I go home, started balling. My wife's there. I mean,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: that was a huge, uh, movement in my life where
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's fucking end game. Like, it doesn't
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: matter what you've done before. That's, you can either go peaceful,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: you go, you know, traumatic, right? So that happened. And
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that was, and then, it was pointing me. I was like, damn,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: like I called Matt. I was like, Hey, I'm not
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be in. I was like, Hey, I'm not gonna
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: be in training today. I gotta go bury my sister. Right.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: And I took a step back and I was like,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: fuck man, I'm always training for a fight. Always training
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: for a fight. And my sister just died and I'm,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I can't go train because I gotta go bury her.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: But there was like weird shit to my mind. I
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm always getting ready for a fight. Always
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: give me for a fight. And then I went and fought,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: won the world grand prix, fast forward, get ready to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: fight Adriano. We go through COVID-19, right? All the gyms
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: are shut down. Our gym kind of like, we got relocated.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: So there's only three of us training. And then I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: fight Adriano and I was, the game plan was there,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: but I just felt like I wasn't, Matty said, if
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I came back from the knockout, he was like, you know,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: when you left, I wasn't comfortable where you're at. Like
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: when you left, I was like, you're just going to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: have to fight through this. You're going to have to
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: get through it. And then sitting in the hotel room
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and I was like, why am I, why am I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: putting the stress on myself?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Why? For what?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And then that was kind of like a snapping period.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Then when I fought Rod Tang, I was like, everybody's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: so worried about winning and losing.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Because you're going to die someday.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: You're going to die someday. Right. So why the fuck
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: are you worried about winning and losing? Are you having fun? Yeah. Okay, perfect.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Who cares if you win or lose? So I went
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: there and fought him. I was like, all right. I
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: told Matt, I was like, I'm not going to fucking run.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to exchange. I don't care if he has
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: a hard chain. I'm going to go out there and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: give him my best. And then there was Asap Rocky said,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: when has it ever... been cool to knock somebody down.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: It's never been cool. Whoever made it cool to belittle
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: somebody or whatever is not cool, right? So that's always
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: in the back of my head. So when I fought
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Ra Ting, and then I felt that success, not success,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: but I felt like I won the fight and everyone
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, you did a good job. I was like, thanks, man.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it, you know? Go back home, take care of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the wife and kids. And then when I fought Adrian
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: on the second time, I was like, we did a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: training camp. It was probably the toughest training camp, but
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I started doing things different, right? Like, before I'd be like,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: got to be perfect. I can't, I can't have any beer.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I can't go watch a concert. I got to be strict.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I think the last sparring session
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: after the Adrian fight, I was like, went to a concert,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: had two beers, had a fucking chicken sandwich. And I'm like,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: I need to enjoy my life because eventually I'm going
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: to die.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to be in my deathbed. I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: was like, man, I was so strict and all that stuff.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Like I want to enjoy my life. And so that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: right there from that traumatic thing in my life is
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: just shifting my, my whole perspective. Like, On my birthday,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: August 13th, my wife was like, oh, we didn't get
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: you any alcohol. We just got all water. And I
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: was like, no, give me a fucking glass of champagne.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I'm 36 years old. I've been doing this for fucking,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: if I train eight weeks and I can have one
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: fucking beer and it's going to change my outcome of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: winning this fight, then I don't deserve to win the fight,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I guess. So it is what it is. So I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: feel like that whole mindset is just, made me a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: better athlete, better fighter.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Because it's released some pressure from you?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Pressure of being perfect, right? And that's how it is.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: I remember one day, I just grappled that new wave, right?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And I was grappling a kid who was 18 years old,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: and he was fucking working me. And someone who has
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: an ego would be like, I'm the best fighter in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: the world. That should never happen. For me, I'm like, dude,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: you're fucking good. Good job. I'm so excited to see
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: what you've been able to achieve. And in nine years,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you've been grappling under John Donaghan. I'm so happy for you.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: so proud of you. I want to follow you. I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: want to follow your career. Right? Like, just my whole
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: mindset has just shifted. And, yeah, I don't know what
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I know what it is.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: It's that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: But for me, that's how I like to look at
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: my fights now. And, yeah, it's been making me.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Randy Couture said that once to me.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: He was talking about fighting and winning. He's like, so
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: many people put so much pressure on winning. He's like,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: He goes, you do your best. He goes, you're trying
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: to win. And if you lose the same people who
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: love you, they're still going to love you. You're still
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: going to have your friends. You're going to be okay.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's, that's, that's like taking my game to
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: a whole new level. Like I truly believe that. Like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: but I believe that.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Believe that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Like just that mindset of just like, I don't give
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a fuck what happens. Like, like they're like, who are
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: you going to fight? Yeah. So I'm like, I don't care.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Doesn't change. Doesn't change my pay. Doesn't change my outlook
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: on life. Doesn't, doesn't change me from, my end game,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: which is financial freedom, right? So it doesn't care. I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: don't care who it is, you know, when it is.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that I never lose
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: focus of my end game. And yeah, that's helped me
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: So when you went over to 1FC, like how do
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: they pay over there?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: They pay good.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Is it comparable to the UFC? Is it better?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody's contract is different. Everybody's contract is different. I'm happy.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy where I'm getting, but everybody's totally different.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Do you feel.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I don't like arguing, right? I don't like... Like, I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: remember when I fought... What was it? Like, I remember
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: when I fought Chris Carrioso, I made... Fuck, I don't know.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I made.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Let's say I made $ 150, 000, right? And then I would
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: fight the next challenger, Kyoji Horiguchi, I would make less money, right?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how the fuck is this... Because you
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: always get your show.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: And your win. Excuse me?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Your show and your win, right?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Your show might be $ 150, 000. and your wins $ 50, 000 bonus.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Typically it goes up by an escalator of $ 3, 000, $ 10, 000, $ 15, 000,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Depends, right?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: But then when I fought Chris Carrioso, I made, you know,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: let's say $ 150, 000, and then when I fought Kyoji Horiguchi,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: I made less. Even though the pay, it went up,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I still made less money.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Why? Right?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, right? Because I didn't get pay-per-view
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: points at the time, right? And so I was like,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I remember telling Sean, I was like, hey, Sean, can
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I just fight that guy again? Because I made more
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: money fighting Chris Carrioso than if I fought Kyoji Horiguchi.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: And he goes, no, no, you can't do that.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: But did he say, I don't understand why you're making
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: less when you're winning.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it was probably because pay-per-view points, bonus,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. But I didn't get pay-per-view points.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing. And then I remember when
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: it came time for me to renegotiate my contract, after
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I beat Henry Stewart the first time, I argued. Not argued,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: but I fought for pay-per-view points. Because that's where you
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: start making that. That next wealth, right? Like, shit, Jon
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Jones hasn't fought, what, two, three years?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And he's made all that money in pay-per-view points, so
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: he has that opportunity to take two to three years off, right? So,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: for me, I fought and fought and fought, and I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: was like, I want pay-per-view points. Like, even though I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: don't draw, right? I mean, hopefully one day I am
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: a draw. But if I land on a Conor fight
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: or I've always, if I land on a Conor fight
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: or a Jon Jones fight or whatever, that's going to
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: bring in 875,000 pay-per-view buys. You make 350K and then you,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the pay-per-view structure is zero to 200, zero dollars, two
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: to four a dollar. four to six, you know, $ 1. 50,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: and six to eight.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: You know, $ 2.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: You add all that up, you're walking out with a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: $ 2 million paycheck, right? So you do that, five to half,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: you know, pay-per-view points, on 11 consecutive title defense, you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: do the fucking math. That'll be way well off. So, yeah.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Did you get it?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: No. No. No, I got it on one fight, and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: it was when I fought Henry Ceruto the second time,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: but I felt like they gave that to me after
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I fought Ray Borg. I was about to fight Ray Borg.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: We're in Toronto. I was in Montreal. We're in Canada.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I was cutting weight. They call and say, hey, stop
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: cutting weight. He's not going to make it. I'm like, fuck, man.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: We're going to push the fight back to three weeks later.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Fought in Vegas. And after I beat him in Vegas,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we're going to give you pay-per-view points
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: on your 11th on this one against Henry Sudo. And
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: that was it. So I was always at a ceiling.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't like that back and forth. I don't
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Tension.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I don't like the tension. I don't like the negotiation.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: It's like, hey, this is what I want. This is
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: what I think I'm worth. How can we get here, right?
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: There was never any transparency. Just chill and talk in
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: a non-hostile environment.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. And how is the difference between the
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: way they treat you at 1FC? It's great.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: We talk. For us to have that conversation about the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Ra-Ting fight is how it should be. It should be
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: like a marriage, right? It should be like, hey, we
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: want you to fight Ra-Ting for the world title. I'm like,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: you know what? I appreciate that, but I think that's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: deserved for somebody else who has worked his whole life
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: to get that opportunity, right? Okay, well, what did you
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: have in mind? I was like, well, I would love
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: to fight him. Let's do Muay Thai. I feel like
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that dialect should be going, but obviously we never got
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: to that point when I was in the UFC.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: But is there a more hostile relationship with the UFC
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: when you were there versus 1FC?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, 1,000%. Because remember, at the time, it's... Did you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: see that the man who tried to race the UFC?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: The man who tried to race the UFC. The UFC
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: tried to race me.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: They tried to race you?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Patrick Gaby did it. It's on YouTube. He did a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: huge piece on it. And at the time when I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: was going through my title reign, they were talking about
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: getting rid of the division, right? So there's always tension
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: because they're trying to get rid of the division. You
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: So imagine that. You're killing it. you're fucking just destroying
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: everybody in division. And next thing you know, the CEO
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: or the boss, he goes, I'm gonna get rid of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: that fucking division because it's not bringing any money. How
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna make you feel?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Not good.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So that's where the tension starts to, to, to battle.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: So how are you going to have a relationship with
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: somebody who wants to get rid of your division when
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: you're going out there trying to put on an exciting fight? Right?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: So that's where, The tension, that's where the tension started from.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Was this, I'm trying to remember, was this before WME
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: bought the UFC?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. This is, I totally forgot about all this
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: until this guy did it. And I sat there and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: watched and I'm like, holy shit, I forgot about that. Like,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I forgot about all the things that was.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Set up publicly. One thing that does really bother me
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: is that they don't address you. Like when, you know,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: you talk about the elites of the elites and some
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: of the greatest ever and, you know, show highlight reels.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, how the fuck do you leave out Mighty Mouse?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Because for years, I was saying, you're the best ever.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: For years. I was like, the expression of technique. If
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: you just look at what he's able to do in there,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: who the fuck is better? I know that the talent
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: at 125, at least at the time that you were
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: running shit, was not the same as the talent at
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: 205 or 85 or 70. There was just... The talent
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: was better because there's more people that size. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: But the expression of technique, like if that's what we're
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: really concentrating on is excellence.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Which is what I think we really should be thinking about.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Like how the fuck do you ignore that?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's because I'm still active, right?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: So what? It doesn't hurt anybody.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm not a businessman, clearly.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not either. Well, I am a little bit.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I totally agree with you. I think it's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: because I'm still active.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Right? So what?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: If they're like, man, if they're like, oh, you know,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest ever, Demetri Johnson, you know, did
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. And they're like, damn, what happened to
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Demetri Johnson? Google, Demetri Johnson, what he's doing? Oh, he's
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: fighting in one championship. Oh, which one championship? Oh, what? Oh, oh. Yeah, kickboxing,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai. Oh, I'm going to start watching this.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Financially, though, 1FC supposedly is struggling.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: They're doing fine.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: There was something recently they lost $ 100 million.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I think....
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not a financial guru. You're not?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you're not a scientist or a financial guru?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: No, when it comes to that, I think Chachere hit
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: on it when he was on his last interview on
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Air Hawaii. He was like, when you're trying to expand,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to cost capital and you got to raise revenue.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: So when he explained it that way, it makes total sense.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: I think Amazon, for the longest time, they didn't make
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: any revenue. They just put all the money they made
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: back in and just put it back into company to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: expand more and more and more, right?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Did you get to meet Jeff Bezos?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: No. He's not the CEO anymore. He stepped down.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Still, don't you want to meet him? Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I want to go to his blue origin, going to space. Well,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: I always tell myself, like, Elon Musk, when he's trying...
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I just think, like, Elon Musk, when he's talking about, like,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: colonizing Mars, and I think, like, if I didn't have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: any kids and.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Fuck that.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: And I wasn't married... And I'm like 62 and I'm
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: like fucking shredded. And I'm like, I'll go to Mars, Elon.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Bro, that's six months in a spaceship.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: You've been a hyper, oh, oh, six months.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: You've been a what? A hyper what? What are you saying?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: You ever seen Aliens 2?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: That shit ain't real.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now when you have Elon Musk building shit, I'm
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: sure it could be real.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: You think you're going to go into like suspended animation
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: for six months? Come on, man. That's a science fiction movie.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Hyper sleep, hyper sleep.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Fuck out of here. That ain't real. You just, you'll die.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Six months of your life of not existing.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I can make it happen. You gave me internet.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got Starlink up there. You gave me internet.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think you get Starlink when you're halfway to Mars.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: I think it cuts out. I think it's like when
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: you're in a plane over the ocean and the Wi-Fi
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: goes out.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: You said, I think it cuts out when you're halfway
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: to Mars.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, shit, I can't even check my Facebook.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, oh, damn it.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I like to live in my fantasy land, so. I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: think it would be cool just to see what happens
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: if we do colonize Mars and get up there. I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: think it would be dope.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Well, it would definitely be dope once it's already done
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: and settled. You just don't want to be an early adopter.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: At least I don't. I mean, I know a lot
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: of people do.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are dying to go
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: But I feel like those people are crazy.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: You got to be a pioneer.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I guess. I don't know. I just think, like, Jeff Bezos, like,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: that's how you're supposed to live when you're a billionaire.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to get jacked, get a bombshell girlfriend, the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: baller yacht.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: See, that's what I'm talking about. You're spreading positivity, right? Like,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: here's a man, he's worked his whole life, and now
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: he's able to, you know, enjoy the fruits of his labor.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: They never... Somebody was talking shit about him being all jacked.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, who cares if he's jacked?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: What do you want him to do, be fat like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates? Exactly. I want him to be jacked.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what does he happen? Yes. Balling out of control, son.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Balling out of control.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: He was like, hey, you want that? Hey, see what
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I'm getting at?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: How many people get to have $ 100 million? Or $ 100 billion.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Very few. I feel like when you got that, you're
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: supposed to ball.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to, yeah.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: You have an obligation to all of us watching. You
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: should be out there balling. To ball out. When he
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: got that hot girlfriend, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: When he's on the yacht with his shirt off, looking
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: like a fucking MMA fighter, I'm like, fuck yeah, Jeff Bezos.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Get some.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I remember you said that, and I was like, look
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: at Joe, spreading that positive.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: I love that. Listen, I'm all about people. Excelling I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: love watching people excel. I love it. I don't like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: people falling down I mean, I like when douchebags get
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: their comeuppance, but I really wish they would just learn
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: and get better That's what ultimately I want.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: I don't like when people fall apart.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when people say man that guy sucks. I'm like,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the correct word to use that
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: he sucks I think his skills are not there yet.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: He can run he can learn right, right? so of
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: course because with my kids they just started training in
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and And when they go out there,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I see them get destroyed. And I'm like, and they
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: get upset. I'm like, dude, it's okay.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: It's part of the thing.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: It's part of the thing. And I said, you can
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: always get better. You don't suck. You're just not knowledgeable
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: yet in the sport or in the game.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: The beautiful thing is you have all this room for growth.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And then when you do get better, man.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I remember when I first started submitting people when I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: was a blue belt. It was like the most magical
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: feeling in the world. I was like, oh, my God.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Now I'm winning exchanges.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Whereas before, I was getting my ass handed to me
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: every day. Like, finally, I'm getting taps. It was so exciting.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: And you get to see, like, oh, my God, I'm
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: getting progress. All that drilling is paying off. Now I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: can hit those moves. Now I see it. That's one
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: of the greatest things about being a new person at something.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: And not having any skill is that you have so
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: much room for growth. You can get better.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think seeing my children do it. Because for
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: who I am and what I've done in mixed martial
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: arts and athletics, like, I've never wanted to push my kids.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: into doing any type of martial arts at all like
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: i told my wife like i don't want to do
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: it right but tyrant came home talking shit he did
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: right he did so he came home and i was
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: like me and my wife we have a strict bedtime
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: it's like hey 7 o'clock, you're upstairs brushing your teeth, 7.30,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: you're reading your book, and then 8 o'clock, it's lights out.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: No ifs, ands, or buts. That's what it is, right?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: So we're going on that schedule. Tyron, he's on the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: top bunk. He goes, y'all expect me to go to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: bed at this fucking time. And I'm like, how old
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: is he? Well, at the time, he's eight.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Eight years old, right? Oh my God, eight-year-old target shit.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: And he's up to my chest, right? And I've never
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: laid a hand on my kids, right? Me being raised,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I've been whipped or whatever. Like we all have in
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: the 80s and 90s, right? But for me, I have
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: never laid a finger on my kids, right? So for
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: me- You can't. Well, no, I can't.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: But you really can't.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I really can't, right?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: So I've never, not even spanking, no spanking.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Good for you.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: We try to, me and my wife want to break
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: the cycle of like talk.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, communicate.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Communicate, communicate. Why are you upset? Tell me why you're upset.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: So how come we can figure this out, right? Right.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: So he's up there and he's just going hopped on
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the fucking dance pit. And I'm like, hold on, hold on,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. Let me get this straight. So-
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: You can't go to bed at 8 o'clock. And the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: reason why, he goes, I got all this fucking energy.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: That's why you expect me to just go to bed.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, you have all this energy
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: to burn.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: He goes, yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, okay. Next day, I was like,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: guess what, guys? Signed you up for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He goes,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: what is this? I'm like, oh, it's grappling. And then
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: we found an amazing place. Well, I train there, right? Typically,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm always training at AMC, right? Because Matt's there. But
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: then that's an hour, hour and 15 minutes from the house.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: So it's very hard to make that drive all the time,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: especially with the kids in school. I want to be
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: part of their lives and cook them breakfast. When they
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: come home from school, I want to be there. So
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the longest time, what I would do between my training camps,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I would not train at all. Like I'll just lift
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: weights and stay fresh. But then I saw a note
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: to myself back in 2011 of me writing a diary
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: of me writing down my weight cuts. And I was like,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I weigh 142 pounds and it's 10 years later. I
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: still weigh 142 pounds. So all that weightlifting between there,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't gain any weight. So I was like, huh,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: I need to find something else to do besides lift weights.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: How can I better myself with my crap? So then
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: my old coach, friend Steve Skids, he was like, hey,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: you should come grapple. Grapple at this place. I was like, ah,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Want to grapple.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: There's nobody better than, you know, ain't nobody better than,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Matt out there, right? So I went and
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: I grappled. His name is Professor Yan. I grappled him.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: It was a fucking murder. He just destroyed me. I said, what?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Pure jujitsu, right? I was like, what just happened? And
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that was in no gi. I
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm going to put my gi on.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: See what you got there. It was even worse. It
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: was bad. So his gym is right down the street
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: from my house. So I was like, okay, perfect. I
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: train with him. I trust him. I trust his curriculum.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I trust how he teaches through Tyron and Maverick in there.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: And so now to get back to the full context
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: of this rant is that to see my kids and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: that light flash in their head about doing technique, drilling,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: being accountable, showing up on time, doing all that stuff.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Them getting their first stripe, their second stripe, their third stripe.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: They're about to compete on Sunday for their first ever
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: jiu-jitsu tournament. Like that. It's amazing to see. It makes
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: me excited for the end of my career, right? Because
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I look forward to being with my children and helping them,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: guide them through life where it's like, you know, everybody's like, man,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: what are you going to do when you retire? I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: was like, hopefully whatever the fuck I want. Like, if
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: I want to wake up and make my kids breakfast
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: and send them off to school, go to the gym,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: lift some weights, come home, pick them up, like, hey, yo,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: what y'all want to do, right? And I think that's
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: because Me growing up, I didn't have a father figure, right?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: I had multiple, but I didn't have somebody who was
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: there all the time, you know? So, yeah, I agree.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: When you're new at something and to see improvement is amazing.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's beautiful. It's good for everybody. And
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that fucks people
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: up in life. is that they continue to do the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: same thing. They don't do any new things. And you
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: don't develop new pathways of thinking. And the beginner's mindset,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: it's a very important mindset.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: And also the mindset of not having an ego and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: always being willing to learn. And that's what I think
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: made me even, what's been making me better. Because when
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I started, I would never train outside of AMC.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Never, right?
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Eventually, AMC and Chargers Combat Club, we came together. And
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: our team, so... Get back to full spectrum. So all
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: my title defenses, UFC, you know, all my fights in
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: one championship, you know, I'm about to fight, you know,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Ali Bogatinov, Samba World Champion, blah, blah, blah, blah. We
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: need to bring in five Samba World Champions. We need
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: to do X, Y, and Z. You see those guys
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: all week. We're fighting, you know, I think Jon Jones,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: when he's fighting Alex Gustafsson, he brought in a boxing guy, right?
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Just to give him that boxing. I've never done it
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: in my whole entire career.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Never believed in it. Still don't believe in it, right? So...
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: What we did now is that we brought in, not
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: brought in, we merged together with Charlie's Combat Club and AMC.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: So now we have a bigger team. And then I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: started training just pure jujitsu, right? Now I'm spending probably
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: two to three days in a gi by an hour
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: and a half, two hours in the morning before my
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: next training session at night. So that's one of the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: things I've done. And that's been able to make me
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: better because it makes me think, right? Like somebody says,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: why are you in a gi? You don't fight in
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: a gi. And I was like, I know, but I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: want to understand this game. And if I can understand
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: what's holding me from passing his guard, like I'll be past,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: I'll be trying to pass on his guard. And I
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: was like, why the fuck am I past your guard yet? Like,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: this is absolutely insane. I should be past your guard.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're holding me. Why are you holding me?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: How are you holding me? It starts to get my,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: it starts to stimulate my brain. And so when I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: get in my gi and I take my gi off, whoo,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I'm cut through guard like butter, baby. It's just different. So,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: when I fight Adriano, when I was on my back,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm here all fucking day. Like, I'm
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: not going to get tired. I'm not able to, like, do.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I felt like in that fight, I dealt most of
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: my damage from my back, from spending so much more
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: time in my gi grappling, if that makes sense.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: It does in a way. And it certainly makes you
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: more defensively responsible. Yes.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Defensively responsible, but now, as I sit back and watch
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: that fight, the last fight with him, now I'm like, okay,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: so he was able to do this, X, Y, and Z.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: So I told myself, I bet you I could probably
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: submit him off my back. I'm going to try. So
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: I've been working more in my gi off my back
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: just to get better. Because I feel like a lot
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: of people lose fights when they're on their back, but
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: how can I be offensive off my back? So, I mean,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: to have the mindset to be able to be willing
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to change... and do things different. And I mean, well,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm 16, um, yeah, 18 years in my career and
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: started to do something totally different is, is kind of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: contributing to me getting better and having no ego. Staying fresh,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: staying fresh.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Yep. 1000% beginner's mindset.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And, and always improving, even though you're, you know,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: an elite fighter for a long period of time.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: That's probably why you're still at the top of your game. Yeah.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: But I can't, I can't, I can't fight forever. So
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: I gotta, you know, How many more.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Years do you think you have? You said you're 36 now?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: 36. So I get myself, I throw myself four more fights.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Four more fights.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Four more fights, which would be two years, two fights
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: a year, right? But then as I get older, I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: find things pulling myself, pulling me away from that, right?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Like my children, my businesses, my wife, want to travel
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: with her. You know, there's so many things I want
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: to do. So I get myself, former fights. Sometimes I
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: even look at it and I'm like, shit, it might
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: be too, just because my body, like it doesn't heal
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: as fast. It just doesn't, you know? And so we'll see,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, I'm just trying to stay focused,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: do different things. You know, I always tell people like,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: it's important to focus on what makes you most of
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: your money, but you have to branch off to do
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: different things, right? Like I just started investing in tech.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: I invested in, um, my quantum energy square bars.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Those are good.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I'm glad you did. Yeah.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Tell people what it is again. Cause you talk, you
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: talk like you fight. You talk a million miles an hour.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: They flow into each other. No, no, no. I'm paying attention,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: but I don't know what the fuck you said. You're
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: the name of your bars are. Neither does anybody else.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Quantum energy squares.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Quantum energy squares.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. We just launched in a HEB, which is
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: a big thing here in Austin. That's one of the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: things I'm doing here as well. Um, it's the first
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: to market caffeinated bars and it's, Basically, whole foods mixed
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: with caffeine, and it gives you that long-lasting energy. So
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: typically in the morning when people have their coffee or
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: have you get your energy consumption where it's caffeine, well,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: mostly caffeine.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: There it is right there.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, there it is right there.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: I ate one before this podcast. They're very delicious.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I gave some to my father-in-law when he goes
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: hunting over in Idaho and Utah, and he'll eat them,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: and it gives him good energy. Because you hunt. You
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: know how fucking long you're out there for. You're out
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: there for a very, very long time.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of energy you're burning, too.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Right? And sometimes like when I, I had one other
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: day in the morning because Tanith, I call her Miss
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Heard because she's my four-year-old daughter. She, her sleep patterns
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: are so horrible that it's not even funny. I'm like,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on. So I would sleep.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I would put her to bed at eight. She wakes
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: up at midnight, then put it back to bed. She
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: wakes up at 3 a.m. And then I got to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: go train. I was like, I need, I need something
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: to give me a pick me up. I hate coffee
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: because I feel like it dehydrates me. And so I'll
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: take one of these bad boys, chop it up, put
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: it in my oatmeal, throw some chocolate milk in there
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: as well, mix that bad boy up, eat that, go
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: to the gym, feel great, man.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: So what is in it? You said it has 100
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: milligrams of caffeine.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: So the caffeine is equivalent to one cup of coffee, right?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: So it has the whole foods in it. It has
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: pumpkin seeds, MCT oil, chia seeds. We have multiple flavors,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: coconut flakes. My favorite flavor is a dark chocolate pink
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Himalayan salt.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Yes, sir. Is that a mix of those?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: This is a variety pack.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: So is the pink Himalayan salt one in there? Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I think you already ate that one already.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Is that what I ate? That shit was good.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: There's one more.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: So this one right here. But just this side of life,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: starting businesses and aligning myself with businesses, like the very
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: first packaging we had on this was It was great, right?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: But then to see when we changed the packaging, to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: see the difference of the sales, it was like night
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: and day.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Just the way it looks?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Just the way it looks. Just the way it looks.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: People know it's more of a lifestyle, right? You don't
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: have to eat this if you're a professional athlete or whatnot, right?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Just those things. Another business I do is Zekin, which is,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: you probably know some stuff about this. When you stream,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: not stream, but when you're on YouTube, right? and you
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: have your ads coming through, you don't get to dictate
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: what ad comes on or whatnot, right? You don't get
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: to do that. But with Zekin, we want to give
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: the power back to the creator, right? So a lot
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: of stuff that's been going on with Twitch, YouTube, you
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: have Mixer. Jamie can talk about this a little more
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: because he's in this room with me. You have Facebook
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: as well. A lot of the content creators, when they
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: make their content, they're only getting a certain amount of
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: revenue split, whether it's 50-50, 70-30, It's very unheard of.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: You get 80, 20, right? So with Zekin, we're trying
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: to give the power back to the creator where Joe
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: gets to choose what ads he wants to be ran
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: on his content, right? Because if you go on Twitch,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: it might be fucking Domino's pizza and you have no
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: say so what's on there, right? So with Zekin, we're
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: trying to give that back to The content reader, so
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: that's another thing what is it is a platform? So
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a live. It's a live broadcasting studio, right?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: So that's like it's it's Basis right now, right and
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: what basis well, it's pretty what it is right now Okay,
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: right and so how I use it or how it's
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: being used is you go on a live stream I
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: live stream I send you the link right and when
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: I send you the link I'm doing a seminar in
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: there right and let's say you want to be able
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: to ask me a question and You raise your hand.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: We're trying to fix this. My job is to break
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: this and make it more polished, right? So you raise
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: your hand. You raise your hand. I bring you into
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: the actual live stream itself. So there are a couple
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: things out there that are kind of like that, like
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: StreamYard or whatever it may be, but that's taking a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: screen capture of your... to where I'm actually bringing to
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: the live feed.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: But is this a separate platform or are you using
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: this like on Twitch?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: No, this is a separate platform.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: So it's a new platform.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: It's a new platform. New platform, right?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: So a new streaming platform where you control the ads.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: That's what we're getting to.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: That's what you're trying to get.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: That's what we're trying to get to. But the way
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: I like to use it, when I got brought on
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: is I was sitting in the office in Seattle. It's
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: a startup company. I was sitting there and he's showing
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: me all the stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I know
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: what this is. He goes, you do? And I was like, yeah,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: this is like OBS, XSplit. And he goes, what do
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you mean? And I was like, well, you have your
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: canvas and you put overlays over it and then you
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: stream it out to your customer. And he goes, oh,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you want to be part of the company? I would
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: love to have your insight. And I was like, absolutely.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Because it's something I do all the time when I'm
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: streaming on Twitch, right? But if I was to give
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: you OBS, you'd be like, what the hell am I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: doing with this, DJ? And I'm like, well, build something.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: With this, we're trying to make it friendly user to
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: where if you give it to somebody, they're able to like, okay,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm dragging this here, this here. And you'll be surprised
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: how people are like, this is too sophisticated. I'm like,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: it's pretty easy. So here it is right here, dropping
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: the product and it gives you all the information selling.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: But also like when someone is on the stream, like
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: if you're wearing a shirt on the stream, someone could
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: click on your shirt and sell the shirt. Yeah.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: And the biggest thing is like when I used it,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I use it for my podcast when we're doing it.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: And like I said, my job is to break it.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: So I had like eight, I think seven people all
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: at once just chatting, right? Seeing if the, see if
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: the audio is good. No, no drops. If it's all,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: if it's all, uh, just going good. Nobody's dropping. No
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: frames are dropping. Um, And there was a gentleman who was,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: I sent him the link and he was like, we're
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: all chatting. And he goes, Hey, I have a question.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: So what's up? And he goes, I'm having a hard
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: time boxing. Like with my one, two combination, I'm like, okay,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: go on. I'm listening. And he started breaking down and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: he goes, I feel like when I throw my one, two,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: I'm overextending. And I said, okay, well let's pull up
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: a video. So I'm able to pull up a video
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: and we're all, eight of us are allowed to watch
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: it together and I could break it down live with him.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, so you see how this gentleman's
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: going one, two, And he's not really overcommitting with the two.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: He's just going, bop, bop, bop, bop. And he goes, oh, yeah,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: I see that. I'm able to break that down in
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: live time with that gentleman. So that's one of the
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: cool things about the program as well.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: So it's interactive.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: It's very interactive. Very interactive.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: So is that scalable? Like if you, when you've got
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: a thousand people in a room with you.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'd fucking try, but it's like I said,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: we're trying to work to that point. Right. So right
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: now we're slowly getting, uh, getting more things. We have
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: a new update coming out in November, um, where you
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: can actually start having certain scenes and size certain things down.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to stimulate my brain out of
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: mixed martial arts, right? Because I can't fight forever.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: So, Right now, I fight in August. So from August
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: till maybe first quarter of 2023, I need to fill
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: my time up with stuff besides my wife and the children.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: And this is the stuff like... To try to create businesses.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Try to create businesses, right?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Right. Because you realize that this is the home stretch.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: This is the home stretch. I know it is. Like,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of it.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: I'm smiling at it. Because at some point, you have
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: to stop. You have to. Like, I feel like you
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: just have to. As an athlete. Because if my body...
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: recover like it was when I was 26, then yeah,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: I can see myself going for another 10 to 15 years.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: But shit, my shin still hurts from kicking Adrian in August.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Does it really?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I was grappling yesterday and somebody was on my shin.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, that still hurts. I'm like, why
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: is that still hurting? Like, I got x-rays. I got,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: what's it called?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: MRI. Not MRI. Ultrasound.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Ultrasound. Because when I fought Henry, I got a blood
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: clot in my right leg and I didn't know why. Well,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I know why, but I was like, my right leg hurts.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Why does it still hurt?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Excuse me.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Next thing you know, I try CBD oil, rub it
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: in on there. Still hurting. Waking up in sweats. Go
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: to the doctor. I actually talked to the, what's her name? Heather,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: who is, she's the UFC's, she does all the therapy,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: physical therapist. And she goes, I think you might have
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: a blood clot. And I was like, okay. I go
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: to the doctor and I was like, hey, dude. I
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: need an ultrasound on my right leg.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: He goes, why?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: He goes, I think I got a blood clot. He goes,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: look at you. You're a fucking specimen. Get out of here.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, whatever. I left.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: That's a ridiculous thing for a doctor to say.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: I know that. That's what he said though. Then I
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: called him back and I was like, hey dude, I'm
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: still in pain. Give me the ultrasound. I'll give you cash.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Just give me the ultrasound. Did the ultrasound.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: I left. I left.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: He called me back ASAP. He goes, dude, you need
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: to get here right now. I was like, what's up?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: He goes, that is the biggest blood clot I've ever seen.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Get in here now. Then I was on, what was
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: the medication I was on?
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Xerato.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: I was on Xerato for three months straight. And he goes,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: do not get cut. Do not get any internal bleeding
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: because I cannot reverse this. My dad, my father-in-law, he's
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: on Coumadin, I believe it is, which that one's reversible
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: because he has a heart defect where his blood needs
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: to be thinned.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: So the blood clot was from an impact?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: It's from me just kicking the shit out of him
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: in that fight. Over and over and over and over.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: And he goes, he said it was from the trauma.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: And I was like, really? The one doctor said, oh,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: it's because you're dehydrated. And I'm like, okay. So every
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: single time after my fights, like when I have my
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: shins be bruised for that long, for two to three weeks,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to get an ultrasound. He goes,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt to get it just because you're susceptible
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: to them because you've had them before in the past. So,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: but yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Was that the only time you'd ever have a blood
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: clot was from that?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: From that, yeah. It was the only time.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: And it's just from the trauma of kicking.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Just from the trauma of kicking.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Shin to shin.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Yep. But imagine that, like, you have that and it's like,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I can't do this forever.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Right, right. Right?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: And so that's why I have to think outside the box.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: What do you do for recovery? Are you doing ice baths, sauna?
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Are you doing?
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: So when I was fighting Ra Tang, I was doing
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: ice baths. I was doing that. And then I'll do
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: the hot tub. But then it got super cold and
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: my fucking ice bath froze. So I couldn't use it
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: anymore because we live in Washington. So it just gets
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: below 40 degrees. So it was just a brick of ice.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: So now, honestly, the only thing I do for recovery
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: is just chill, hang out with the wife.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: So it became a solid piece of ice?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: One big solid ice, like an ice skating rink.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: But you need to get one that doesn't get that cold.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. I'm working on it.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: What kind of an ice bath was it?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: It was a trowel. It was a horse trowel.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, so it was just like some primitive thing.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Just primitive.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Just fill it up with... Fill it up
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: with water. Water and... And then climb in there. Climb
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: It got to like... I think the lowest we got
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: it was like 47 degrees.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: But that shouldn't freeze.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: No, that's what... lowest we got it. But that was
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: at a certain point in time in the wintertime. Then
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: it got lower. The temperatures dropped even more. Like this
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: is probably the most like barbaric thing. Not barbaric, but
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: it's like... I put water in it, and we get
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: freezing temperatures in Washington State.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: So it just stays cold.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: So it stays cold. So it actually got a big
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: solid block of ice.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: You're an elite professional athlete. You need to get yourself
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: a real cold plunge.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure someone will send you one.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: I just bought a sauna from Costco, though. So we're
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: going to go to my good home. Yeah, so I'm
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: making the right steps, right steps to get there.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Have you put that together yet?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: Not yet.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. Sauna's huge.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw yours, and that's– we got the–
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: not ice barrel, but– The barrel sauna?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a saloose. It's a saloose sauna. I
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: love it, man. The one that we have here at
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: the studio, best sauna I've ever had. It's amazing. It's
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: perfect size.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I noticed a difference when I was in the ice bath.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Not ice bath, but the ice plunge. Because when I
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: was sparring, the Muay Thai sparring, Matt was on me
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: like right on rice. In my face, throwing. And this
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: is why my mindset had to change. Because when you're
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: getting ready to do a Muay Thai fight with Bronte...
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: The amount of kicking I was doing and the amount
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: of injuries I had, like I remember I pulled my
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: groin and then I was kicking. I remember I kicked
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: James and I jumped off him and I planted and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: I started stumbling. Matt goes, whoa, what the fuck is that?
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: And I was like, my foot. And he goes, what's wrong?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I can't walk. Well, I couldn't walk.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: I can't plant to throw anymore. He goes, what happened?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm fucking kicking all day and
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: kicking elbows, kicking knees. So what do you want me
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: to do? Stop? And he was like, no, we got
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: to rest. We got to find other ways to train
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: around that. But all the sparring I would do, so
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: my routine would be Monday, Monday we pads, conditioning. Tuesday
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: we'd be sparring, hard sparring at night. And then Wednesday
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: would be hard grappling. And then Wednesday night would be off.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: So after the hard Wednesday grappling, come home, jump into
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: cold plunge, fuck. So I'll do 10 minutes in the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: cold plunge.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: 10 minutes?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Wow. Dude, I've done 47 minutes in.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: 47 minutes.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, excuse me. That's 47.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: 47 degrees.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: That's the lowest I've got. So I've done 47 degrees.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: I've done 10 minutes. 10 minutes in there. 10 minutes
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: in a hot tub. 10 minutes in there. And I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: love it. I notice a huge difference. So me and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: the wife are trying to get the sauna set up first.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Then we'll look for the next step to keep. I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: saw GSB has the ice barrel. And I know Ice
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Bro doesn't offer the temperature, but I saw his had
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: a temperature where he can regulate the temperature and his.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that one. What does he have?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: It was on his Instagram. I saw it and I
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if his is.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Does he have some sort of a cooling element in it? Yes.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: He wasn't advertising it. It was like something that I'm
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: going through and I follow him and I saw it
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what's that thing right here? I
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: screenshot it and I was like, what is that? And
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: I tried to zoom in on it, but I didn't
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: know what it was. And I went to their website
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't see that, but So
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: we're trying to find a solution for the cold plunge.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Like what's going to be the easiest non-maintenance thing that
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: I can use in order to have that cold go
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: back and forth?
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Well, you have a good social media platform. I'm sure
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: someone will want to give you one after listening to this.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Here it is.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Not that one.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: So that's him pouring ice in there.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not that one. It's a different one. He actually
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: had it on.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Just go to his actual Instagram and see.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: He was talking. He goes, you guys, if you want to,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: I think it was like challenges or whatever. Then I
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: think it was like his morning routine and he was
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: just him jumping in real quick and like on the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: very far right.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: That's not GSP. That poor girl probably gets like attacked constantly.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Like, who are you? She's only got 630. There it is.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: George St. Pierre. So scroll down a little bit.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: Right. I think it's that one right there.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: Right there.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: The middle one. Yep. You see that thing in the
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: bottom to the bottom here, right?
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: It seems like the same one.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Yeah. Look at it right there.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Look at that. Look at that. Oh, interesting.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: You ain't fooling nobody.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: See that right there. I saw that and I was like,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: they don't offer that on their website, but what is that?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Because that looks very.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I'll go to the website and see what that is.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: It says big project in the work.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: So maybe it's that.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's that. You got me.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: You got me, GSP. You get it. So I'm just
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: trying to look at the most very convenient way to
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: do it. Like the sauna, my buddy has one. And
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: he says, dude, all I have to do is stay
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: in it twice a year and that's it. Set it
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: and leave it. That's how.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: The sauna you mean?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: The sauna that he has.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: So I was like.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: And he's had it for a year. And I'm like, perfect.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: I'll buy it.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: It's easy. Well, we've had this sauna for. a long
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: time and I've got one at home, same company.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: So what's your maintenance?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Sauna, nothing, zero.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: That's what I want.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Turn it on.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: But I know with the hot tub I had, It
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: was like you had to check the chemicals. You got
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: to check all that stuff.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Hot tub's not as good. The reason why hot tub's
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: not as good is because it can't get as hot
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: because you'll cook. You can cook in dry air in
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: the sauna. You can get really hot, and that's when
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: your body produces the heat shock proteins.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: But with the maintenance of the sauna, not worry about
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: how hot it gets. It's easy.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't break.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: No, excuse me. The hot tub. The maintenance of a
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: hot tub, of checking the water, it needs more pH level.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: It's like a pool. Exactly, where it's like, I don't
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: have the time.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Asana's good for you either. I mean, a hot tub's
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: great for you, don't get me wrong, but you don't
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: get the same reaction that you get from a sauna.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: A sauna's the way to go. That motherfucker gets hot.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: So we're doing a sauna, but with the cold plunge, right?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: I looked at the cold plunge. So the iceberg, we
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: looked at that.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: It's easy to drain.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Flip the knob. It comes out. Fill it up. Put
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: your ice in it.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: It's good, right?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Then we go to the ice bath. It's like the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: ice plunge. You sit in it, but you have a filter.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: You get to have this and that. And I'm like,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: that's too much maintenance for me.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't require that much maintenance. It's not
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: that big a deal. I've only had one issue. With
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: either one of them. I have at home, I have
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: a Morosco. Morosco cold punch, which is amazing. And then
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: here we have a blue cube, which is also amazing.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: And there's no maintenance.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: We've had one problem with this one where there's something
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: wrong with the motor, but they came and fixed it
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: really quickly.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Not problems, just maintenance.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: No, maintenance is nothing. Oh, okay.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: It's nothing. I'm a lazy person, okay? I'm not going
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: to lie to you.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: You're not lazy. How dare you? You clearly don't know
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: any really lazy person. I know, right? I'm all sure.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Some real lazy people. You'll feel real good about yourself.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: I just want easy maintenance. If I ever get to
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: do something for two months, I don't want to come
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: back to see all this algae growing.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I don't fuck with mine. I maintain
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: mine at home.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: It's easy. You're also a very busy person. You're very....
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: I stay on top of shit.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you stay on top of shit.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: I don't. But it's not that hard to do, man.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: I'm climbing that motherfucker every day. Yeah. It's no maintenance. Yeah.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: There's a little thing that I have to clean every
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: now and then that's a filter.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: It takes me a minute.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: See, that's not bad.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: I pop it off. Yep. I hose it off with
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: a garden hose.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: And then I put it back in there and then
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: I climb in. Oh. There's ice floating in it. It's amazing.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm hoping we can solve that problem when time comes.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: My wife's like, let's get the sauna going because she'll
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: use that. She loves the sauna.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: The two of them together is the most amazing combination.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And after I'm done competing full time, you know,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: with the businesses that are going, I'll still see them go.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I still want to I'm still going to try to
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: compete in something, right?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: You think you'll do grappling competitions?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: It'll be grappling. It was going to be motocross, right?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I know. Don't die. I know. Come on, man.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Well, so my son, he loves motocross, like my oldest, right?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: And I bought him a bike. And next thing you know,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this looks like a lot of fun.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I want to try it, right? So I bought myself
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: a bike. And I had like, you know, 150cc, a
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Honda 150cc. And I'm sitting there, and everybody's like, you
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: know it's a little kid bike. And I was like,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: I'm built like a little kid. I'm 142 pounds, 5'3.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Your son's bigger than me, and he's fucking 12. Okay,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: so I'm in the kid category. But he was like, no, dude,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: you need a legit 250 FC. And I'm like, okay, fine.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: So I got a 250 Husker Marana, and I'm fucking
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: going off jumps. Not very fast, but I'm going fast.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not going off whipping. And we went to... what's
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: it called?
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Uh, Disneyland.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: I see all these people in wheelchairs. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: I need to stop riding dirt bikes. I think I'm
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: going to give it up. But motocross was going to
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: be my thing. I was going to feel, feel my
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: desire to compete. But then after I found jujitsu, like
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: in the place I train it now, I'm like, okay,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to compete in, um, IBJJF. Like I,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I told him, I asked one, I was like, Hey guys,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: can I, can I compete at IBJJF this year?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: They're like, no, like, Yeah, what did you tear your ACL?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. And now it's like.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Does IBJJF, do they do heel hooks and knee reaps
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that?
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But it would have
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: been in a gi. And I'm one of your brown belt.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: And everybody was like, you're going to get destroyed. I
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't care. At least I tried. And
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: you see what it's like, you know?
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you will for a little. And then you'll become
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: elite at that.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: I hope.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: 100%. I hope. You're a fucking champion, bro. You got
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: a champion's mind. You're not going to suck.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, so far it's been going good. I mean,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the place I train at, the vibe is good. The
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: professor's energy is amazing.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: Beautiful. That's everything.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: That's everything. He's so fortunate to have a good place.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: You know, we're very fortunate here in Austin because we
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: have 10th Planet. It's right down the street.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit from here. And then John Donner,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: very close. And, I mean, there's a fucking Shanji Huber. here.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: You know, there's Gracie Baja. There's, like, so many gyms here.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's an incredible place.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: I got to train with John. I took one of
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: his classes.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: He's a goddamn wizard.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: I was impressed.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, I'm healing. I got an MCL
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: tear that I'm healing. And I was here yesterday with
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: Maynard from Tool. And Maynard had John Donaher on the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: mats coaching him. It was incredible.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Like watching John go and go over details. I was like, God, man.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: I like his energy. How he's just like, good job, Demetrius.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: He's amazing.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Good job, Juan.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Good job, Gordon. And just that chill, consistent, you know,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: just relaxed vibes.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: He's so obsessed with people getting better. I mean, that
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: is all the guy does. You talk to Gordon about it.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: That is all the guy does. He trains people. all
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: day long, and then he watches tape. That's all the
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: guy does. The guy has zero life. He doesn't even
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: have fucking furniture in his apartment.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: I heard about that. I was like, you guys are
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: fucking lying. He goes, no, he has no furniture. I
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: think somebody forced him to buy furniture and a TV.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: I've never seen him out of a rash guard. When
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: you go to dinner with.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Him, he wears a rash guard. You never know. He's like,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: you never know. Shit might pop off right here and
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: He just doesn't feel the need to wear anything else.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: It's acceptable clothing. He gives zero fucks about what he
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: looks like. He gives zero fucks. He wears a fanny
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: pack everywhere. Hey, good for him. He doesn't give a fuck.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: He's living his best life, baby.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: He's a master. He is so unusual. Like, to try
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: to find another one of those. You could find someone
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: who's faking it.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: But they'll have ego. They'll have this. They'll have problems. Like,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: he is such a treasure.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: It takes a special person to... dedicate your life to
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: teaching people.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to him talk? Like on John
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: Donahue was on Lex Friedman's podcast.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: I've heard him on here. I've heard him on this
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: podcast before. I met him in Japan when he was
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: giving a help Gary Tonin fight. But same consistent vibe
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, I like it because he's
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: so knowledgeable and he's just like, and taking his class,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: it's very fast paced. He's like, okay guys, what do
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: I do? Come right here. You're going to flip it
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: up like this. Get him down like that. Boom.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Once again, do it again. Okay. All right, guys, go.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: And then you just like, all right, let's try it guys. One, two, three.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: There's like a, you know, like a rhythm at the beginning.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, and everyone's like, like no rhythm whatsoever.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck it. Nobody's, nobody's on the vibe. I'm
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: just going to just do my own thing and do
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: the class, but absolutely amazing.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: No, he's a, he's a genuinely unusual human being. And
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: it's like the, you, you hear about people like that
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: in movies. Yeah. You know, that are, like, so singularly
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: focused and dedicated. But it's rare to actually come across
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: one in real life. And it translates to his athletes. Like,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: Gordon trains seven days a week. I heard. 365 days
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: a year. Fuck you, Christmas. Fuck you, New Year's. Fuck
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: your birthday.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're training.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: When I asked him that, I said, you know, because
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: one of the coaches at Grappler Club asked me, he goes, hey,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: can you pick their brain on, like, what, like, their...
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: their training regimen is? I was like, sure. And I
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: asked him, he says, they train, there's no days off.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: They train three times a day, two hour sessions, one.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: And the second, the third session is intensity. So he's like,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: I believe in volume, right? A lot of volume. And
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: then a little bit, uh, intensity for pure grappling, not
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: mixed martial arts, mixed martial arts. You would just, it's
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: not feasible. You can't even do that. Right. So I
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: can kind of understand how they just grapple. seven days
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: a week, no off days, intensity. And I was like, okay,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: what about days off? And he goes, no days off.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: And he goes, if an athlete decides that he needs
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: a day off, then I think that person is more mature.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: He should be mature enough to understand that he needs
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: to take a day off. I would never fight an
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: athlete if they need a day off. And I think
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: that's very important as a coach and athlete understanding or
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: bond that, hey, coach, I need time off.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: No, you don't.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Get your ass back on that mat. But I'm sure
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: if Gary was like, hey, dude, I need time off.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: I need to take two days off, three days off,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, you know, John's like, you go ahead, do
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: your thing, man.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Of course. If you're dedicated enough that he understands who
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: you are and that you're all in and you're saying,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: hey man, something's up. Like my body's falling apart here.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: I just, I need a little bit of a break.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: Like he knows you're not fucking off. You actually do
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: need a break. But that's the difference, which is, But
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: he has zero patience for lazy people. There's certain people
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: that just like, you know guys like that. How many
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: talented people have you met that could have been great,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: but they lack the discipline?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: I've never met anybody who lacked the discipline. I've met
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: people who've lacked the, what's the one I'm looking for?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Injury prone.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: Consistency?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: No, injury prone. I have never, out of all the
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: people I've ever trained with, I've never met somebody who's
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: been lazy. Like, I never have.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: But there are people, like BJ Penn, who's, like, super
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: fucking talented. But it was hard for him to get training.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: But then when he started training with Marv Marinovich, and
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: they put him through those intensive strength and conditioning sessions.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: He's like, fuck this.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: But also, that was when he was at the very best. Like,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: the Sean Shirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight. Like, that
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: was prime BJ Penn. Where he was just a fucking
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: unstoppable force.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, I've never come across that. It's usually
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: injury prone. Like... I mean, some of the things that
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I've seen, my buddy, the guy I fought in Muay
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Thai as an amateur, he broke my rib. Scott, he
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: was a fucking nasty, nasty athlete. Just, we would sprint together.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: He's right next to me or ahead of me. We'd grapple.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: He's hanging with me grappling. And we're amateur. We weren't
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: professional yet. But he would always just injure himself. And
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: I don't ever forget, you know, we would train in
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: the morning and we'd train at night. I'm next door
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: playing video games and he's next door. I call him
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: gangster rounds. He's just going through everybody. Just grappling, grappling.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: Next thing you know, somebody comes next to him and goes, DJ,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: you need to come next door. I'm like, what's up?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: He goes, it's Scott. I come next door and I'm like, Scott,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: what's up? He goes, pull this shirt down. Fucking AC
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: joint was like, bop, out, out. I was hanging out
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: and he was going to fight. I'm like, dude, you
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: have to chill. Like you will break your body. Like,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: You're not lazy. But that's the biggest thing as an athlete.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: We always worry that we're not going to be ready.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: When it makes you, we're ready for the, not activity,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: but the competition.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: So we overtrain.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: He was one of those guys that he would have
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: been very, very special in mixed martial or whatever he
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: did in athletics, but he was very injury prone.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: How many more injuries did he have besides that?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, he's broke his hand. He injured his, he
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: got cauliflower ear and I made fun of him. He
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: got cauliflower ear. And then he ended up getting surgery
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: to fix his cauliflower ear.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: He came back in the gym, pop, pop, blew back up.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: And he was like, I got fucking surgery. And it
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: blew back up. I was like, I told you it's
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: going to blow back up.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you can't. You're not supposed to train for a
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: while after you get that. And you should wear ear guards.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Well, he didn't. And it blew back up.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: I wore ear guards the entire time I trained jujitsu.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: That's why I don't have any cauliflower. I have little
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: tiny pieces of cauliflower, little parts of my ear. But
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: my ears are normal because they're supposed to be normal. Like,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: this is what I say to people, and I know
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: you're a fighter, but this is what I say to
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: people that, like, love the look. I go, take your
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: ear and go like that and pinch it down and
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: listen to things. And talk, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: Now let it go. Yeah. And, oh, it sounds better, right?
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: Well, do you want the whole world to be like
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: this from now on?
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, Joe, I am tone deaf. I
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: can't fucking sing, and that might be the reason why,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: because of my cocker ears. But I don't think the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: words like blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: But it sounds less like there's a reason why your
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: ears design that way. It sort of captures the sound
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: waves and puts them through the ear canal. It's a
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: very specific design by nature. And if you fuck that
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: up by calcium deposits. It's not smart. People are like, whoa,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: you fucking weird. You pussy. I was like, hey, man,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: I want to hear things. People would make fun of me.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care. Say whatever you want. I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: don't want my ears to be fucked up.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: That cracks me up. I was like, your ears are
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: fucked up.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they are. They are. They're fucked up.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: They are. How many guys do you know that can't
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: even get earbuds in their ears? Because you, right?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: You have to go over the ear because your ears
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: are so fucked up.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: Like they don't stick in there because everything's hard as
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: a rock. I hate it. When you're done fighting, you're
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: going to get it cleaned out. Hell no.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to still compete. I'm going to still compete. Right. So, um,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: I don't like, I've, I thought about like, if I
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: got my ears like this, like pin back a little bit,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: but I'm like, no, I don't want to do it.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: Just even like this is out there and try to
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: capture all the sound that it can with its big
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: ass calcify. It's like, try to get everything. Don't worry
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: Hard as a rock. Oh yeah.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Hard as a rock.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: But that shit breaks off too sometimes. Did you see
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Mateus Gamrot and Benil Dariush early in the fight? That
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: shit broke off and you start bleeding like crazy.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: It's because it's a rock. You've got a rock hanging
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: off of your head. Yeah, luckily for mine, it hasn't
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: broken off yet. So I got four more fights and
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: so hopefully four more fights and we're good.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: You remember Sakuraba always used to have tape all over
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: his ears and shit? His ears were fucked up. But
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: how about his knees, man?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about, right?
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: His legs were mummified. Like, he would mummify his knees
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: before competitions.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: I remember, like, there has to be, you have to have,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: there has to be an end to the tunnel, right? Like, like,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: The person I'm blown away by is Bibiano Fernandez. He's
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: 41 years old, and he's never had surgery in any injuries.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a five-time world jiu-jitsu champion, dream champion,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: one champion, the longest reigning, I believe. He's never had.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: That fight with Lineker was nuts. Oh, fuck, I know.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: That was nuts.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: But it's just like he stood in the pocket too long.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: He dropped Lineker yeah he dropped Lineker and when he
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: went to follow up he said he was so emotional
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: that like he was like dude I was fucking like
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: he goes I dropped him and he goes DJ that
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: right hand came out of nowhere I don't know where
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: it come from but.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: Lineker just lost Wings. But they're like wrecking balls. If
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: you get out of the way, you're good. But if
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: you don't get out of the.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Way, you're fucked.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: You're fucked, man. That dude hits so goddamn hard.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget John Lineker's manager, Alex Davis. He goes,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: when he was fighting Cisco Rivera, he was in the UFC. Francisco. Francisco.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: He goes, don't stand with him. Just wrestle him. And
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: he goes, okay, okay, okay. They started banging and when
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: John got hit, Leonard got hit, he was like, oh,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: he punches like a pussy. So he just kept on
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: fucking going and after the fight, Leonard, Alex goes, I
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: told you not to stand with him. He goes, oh,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: he punched like a pussy. So I figured he would
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: go out before I would. And he goes, the kid's crazy, DJ.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, good for him. Some people have that.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: He's a bulldog.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: They have that bulldog and You know, like Fabrizio Andrade
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: was able to capitalize on that, right? He was like,
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: he's going to swing. When he does, I'm going to
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: land that liver shot over and over, right?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: So, I mean. But it's also a cumulative damage over
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: a long career.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, that dude has been banging for quite a
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: And eventually, it's going to stop.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't just fight like that. Look at Chuck Liddell. Yeah.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: One day, the chin just goes.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Yep. And that's what I say about Rod's thing. One day,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: that chin's going to go. Yeah.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: Like, it's just.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: It's just human nature. Like, it's just going to go.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: But, man, before it goes, what a fucking show that
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: guy puts on.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Just ride it. Just enjoy the ride, right?
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: It's just... It's not... I mean, not Rod Tank, because
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: Rod Tank does have great technique as well.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, 1,000%.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: He's absolutely.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: There's no way better than him at that weight class, right? Like,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: when he fought... John Haggerty and they're going back and
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: forth and how he crosses distance and blocks in exchange
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: and boom, boom, it hit him to the body and
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: then went back to the body over and over again.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he is a brilliant in Muay Thai.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: He's not just, you know, a rock'em sock'em robot.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Does he have any desire to fight MMA other than
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: that fight with you?
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: He said he does. He said he wants to transition
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: to mixed martial arts.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. But, you know, obviously, you know,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: you see.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: It's a long road.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: It's a long road, but Stamp Fairtex, she's been phenomenal
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: in the transition to mixed martial arts. So, if he
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: gets to the right camp.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: But I feel like girls wrestling is not at the
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: level that men's wrestling is. So, when a woman is
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: an elite striker, I feel like there's a.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, she has a better... There's a better pathway.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: A better pathway, 1,000%. I mean, look at Joanna Jacek, right?
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect example.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: Perfect example, right? I mean, Claudia Godella and her, they're
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: back and forth. It's like, If Kalida was just like,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go in there and take you down,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: pass your guard, submit you, that should have been the
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: game plan. Instead of trying to stand up with a fucking,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times she's won a world
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: title in Muay Thai or whatever.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: Some crazy amount. Some crazy amount.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: It's like the game plan is to take her down,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: pass her guard.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: But even Ioana, like now you see that she just
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: can't take it the way she used to take it before. Exactly.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: The Thug Rose fight and then Zhang Weili knocks her
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: out in the last fight. But she's still not ready
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: to completely hang it up yet. I thought she retired.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: She's been talking lately, like, not totally ready to.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: See, that's... Yeah. For me, that's, like, the biggest thing. Like, Will,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: he showed... Will Harris, he showed me a clip he
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: did with Kamaru Usman.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that clip. I saw that clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where he talks about his body.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: His body and just.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Difficulties. Difficulties. Will's the best, man. Oh, yeah. The
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: footage Will Harris gets is fucking phenomenal. He's the best
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: documentary filmmaker in the sport, period.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Because he captures the raw side of the athlete.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: Also, he's such a good guy that everybody loves him.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: And so everybody opens up around him.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: And they relax around him.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: It's funny because my wife, she goes, now she's like,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want cameras in this house anymore.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want it in the house because all the
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: footage I've ever taken over the years of my mixed
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: martial arts career, I own none of it. None of it, right?
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: And so I was like, people got... video of me
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: being pregnant on their fucking hard drive somewhere. So no more.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: But if we'll want to come, we'll come over anytime
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: you want. I love Will. So she's opened the door
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: to Will because he, he, he's like, if you want
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: any content you want, you can have it. Like, I
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: just want to capture your moment and tell your story.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: And if I need, he's a, well, I need, I
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: need something. Can you send me this?
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: DJ. No ifs, ands, or abouts. No negotiating.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: No nothing.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: Here you go, player. Do your thing.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he's the best.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: He's such a good dude, too. And, you know, I
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: had him on recently, and, you know, we were talking
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: about dating apps. Oh, hey. Yeah. Will's addicted to those
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: dating apps. Because, first of all, he's a beautiful man.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: He's gigantic. And he gets bombed on. He was talking
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: to me about it. He goes, I've been in Austin
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: for one day. Look at all this shit. They're just
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: bombing on him.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Make your dick feel good. I was like, oh my god.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: Bro, his fucking Tinder looks like an Iraqi landing strip.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: Just boom, boom.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: When he came to visit me, he goes, you know,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: I'm driving. I'm like, what you looking at? He goes,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: what you think about this girl? He goes, what I
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: need is a fucking tech woman to take care of me. Shit,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: let me get Jeff Bezos' wife. She'll never go.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: I just laugh.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: And then when Jeff Bezos' wife just announced she's getting divorced,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: I sent him a screenshot. I'm like, this is your chance.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: Better get over here quick.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: Give her some of that. Well, yeah, I don't know
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: if you want that. I got a joke about that,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: a bit about dating a woman who has that much money.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: Uh-oh.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: It's a real problem. She's worth $ 38 billion. Damn. You
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: can't say shit in that relationship. You don't have nothing
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: I think we'll be okay with that. As long as
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: she let me film and document, I give her that BBC,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: we good to go. I ain't worried about nothing. That'll
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: be his fucking response.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: He's done with the dating apps. He sent me a
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: video that he goes, no more apps. And he's like,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: him dancing in a hotel room with these two girls.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: No more apps. He'll zero apps. I think he's really done. Hey,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: good for him. Because if you want a real relationship, man,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: you can't have that many options.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: Because you're not going to be concentrated on the person
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: you're with.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. 1,000%. It's just too much.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: Too much.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: Too much distraction. Like he said, you're always chasing for
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: that next thrill.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Right. That's the thing is the thrill.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: He's chasing that hunt.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: And he wants a family.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: He's 40 years old. You got to get off that
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: horse at a certain point in time.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: And you got to find the right one.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: The right one's got to be able to fill all
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: those buckets, right? Yes.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: But I don't think you find the right one when
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: you're still looking for other ones.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: I think there's a thing with people today that have
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: access to these dating apps and also have access to
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: social media and DMs. I just think that you're overwhelmed
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: by options. Yeah. You can't, like, you're drowning in it.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: This is what I like most. have you ever seen
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: bachelor in paradise? No. Or do you know what the
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: bachelor and bachelorette is?
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know about the show, but I've never watched it. Okay.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: So I watch it with my wife, right? It's kind
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: of our thing we do. And I hate watching the
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: bachelor and bachelorette. The reason why is because you have
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: one woman to 20 fucking dudes, right? So all these
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: guys are fighting for one chick in that Rose. Yeah.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: And the same thing with the bachelor. You had all
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: these hot chicks trying to battle for one dude, but
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I guarantee if you throw another
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: chicken there, I bet you things would be different.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: So in Bachelor in Paradise, they throw like 20 hot
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: chicks and 20 hot dudes on an island, and they
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: all try to figure out their relationship. And I'm like, yeah,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: when you have more fucking options, you're not going to
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: be the hot commodity that everybody wants. But once you
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: throw another thing in there, another distraction, I like to
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: see people navigate.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: Well, also, they compete.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: They compete.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: And then there's like sexual competition. This girl won't do anything,
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: but that girl fucks everybody.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly, right? So I never forget there was one season
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: where– The guy he was like, you know, they had
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: the fantasy suite, right? I know it's kind of disturbing
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: I know all about this shit, but it is.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: What it is.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about okay So fantasy so fantasy
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: suite is like I think it's like that maybe it's
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: the home stretch, right? It's usually there are four people,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: four contestants.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, you get them down so they eliminate people?
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: They eliminate people. You get a rose and they go home, right?
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: You get a rose.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: That's how you do it.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: The dude gets a rose?
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: The dude and the chick gets a rose. Depends on who.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: So then it goes to fantasy suites. Fantasy suites.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: Here's a flower. Kick rocks.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: No, you get a flower. You get to stay.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: So Hal goes. So if I was on The Bachelor, right?
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: I show up to this big ass mansion. Girls come
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: in cars like, hi, my name is Lisa. Hi, I'm
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: So happy to meet you. I'm like, well, very nice
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: to meet you. Go in the house. I'll be in
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: there in a second. 20 come, then every week I
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: have to send somebody home. They don't get a rose, right?
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: So it gets down to the last four, right? The
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: last four, you have the opportunity to do fantasy suites,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: which means you get to stay the night in a
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: hotel together with no cameras, do whatever you want, right?
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: So typically, you know, the guys are, depending on how
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: they are, they'll either, you know, do the nasty or
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: they won't, right? So this guy cracked me up. So-
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: He has four girls left. No, three girls left. I
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: think it's four or three, whatever. He sleeps with one.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: He brings one to the room, sleeps with her, right?
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: Brings another girl to the room, sleeps with her, right?
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: And then the one girl that they're going to finish with,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: she goes, you know, I think if you've been intimate
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: with any other girl, I don't think I can go
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: on with this relationship. And he goes, well, I wish
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: you would have told me that before because, you know,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: I maybe you know I would have done it like
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: I told you I thought you told me to explore
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: all my options and I did and now you're you're
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: you're nagging me for it right and so she goes
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: I'm leaving I'm going home right so she goes home
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: goes to the final rose ceremony who's gonna pick who
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: his wife is or he's gonna propose to he.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: Goes You have to propose at the end of it?
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: In engagement.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: There's usually an engagement. Oh, my God.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: On a fucking television show? Really? I'm ignorant to this.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: Stupid it is. So I love to see the demeanor,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: but it gets better. So I'm sitting there watching with
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: my wife, and I'm like, he done banged both these chicks,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: and they don't even know it yet, right? So he goes,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you both that I've been intimate
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: with you and you. They both start crying. He goes,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean for this to happen. I fell in
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: love with both of you guys. I'm sorry.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: So when it ends up happening, he doesn't get any
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: of the girls, but he slept with both of them, right?
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: Then I told Dexter, I was like, I guarantee you,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: he going to get that other, he going to bang
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: that third one. I bet you, right?
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: The one that left?
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: The one that left, right? Sure enough, the one that
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: left came back crawling. He gets with her. You know,
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: they do the nasty. And then next thing you know,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: they break up like three months, recently, like I think
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: four months ago. And I was like, babe, I told you,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: he banged all three of them. He's a legend. Nobody's
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: ever done it before in Bachelor history. She goes, you're such,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: you're such. So, but there's so many options.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: But there's no way under that kind of scrutiny and
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: all those people watching, well, no way, A, you're going
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: to be yourself. Yeah. Right? Because you know you're putting
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: on a show.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: And there's no way, B, it's going to last because
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: there's this whole thrill of this thing that you've become
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: addicted to.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: Some have lasted.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I'm shocked, too. Trust me. Like I said,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: this is, I'm shocked. Some of the last ones have
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: beautiful relationships, beautiful babies, married. So it does work out
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: in the end. But then every once in a while,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: you have this man who's, Taking advantage of the system.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: Is he? Is he just doing man things? Normal man?
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: That's not taking advantage. That's being a human. But to me,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: it's like celebrity rehab. Like, that's the worst way ever
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: to get clean. Yeah. And bachelorette shows or bachelor shows,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: that's the worst way ever to be in a relationship
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: with someone. Fucking cameras in your face. Like, who the
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: fuck are you? You don't even know who you are.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: You're putting on a show.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: And you're trying to compete.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's something interesting, like you said. When you have
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: those distractions and those dating apps, that's where it ran
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: But for people like Will that are real busy, it's
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: really hard to meet someone.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: I was going to try to hook him up with
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: one of the girls, a family friend who's a real
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: estate agent. She's killing it. And she's like, I don't
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: need no man. And I'm like, that's a perfect, you
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: meet somebody, you become friends. you know, your best friend
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: becomes your lover. In my case, right? So that's where
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, I can, I show Will a picture.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: Will is interested.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: He goes, look at her.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: He goes, all right, when I come back up here,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: get some work done, you gonna have to, we're gonna
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: have to do dinner. And I was like, okay, I
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: got you. So, you know, I know he wants to
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: move to Dubai or whatnot, but we'll see what happens.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He loves Dubai. He's like, there's no crime. Everybody's cool.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When he says, when he, when he was talking
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: about like being African American and worried about certain situations
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: or another black man trying to gate him, he was like,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: what the hell happened in this world? I mean, I
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: can understand that. Like not having that fear when you're
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: over there, you don't have to worry about things like that.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: But I've never been there.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: He says it's so safe. Yeah. He said, if someone
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: drops a diamond, like you could just like, don't worry
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: about it. They'll turn it into the police.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: Awesome to hear.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But also like, you know, They don't have any
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: free speech. Yeah. You know, you have to be very
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: careful with what you do and what you say. Yep.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: Yep. You can't have both. One's got to go. One's
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: got to go, right?
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: God. What is it like in Washington now? Because, like,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Seattle is kind of fucking chaos, right?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: Man, once COVID-19 happened, my wife was like, I want
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: to move. I was like, okay.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: Where did she want to move to?
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: Arizona.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: Arizona.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Cause she has friends out there and she went out
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: there during COVID-19 and she was there and she goes,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: everything's still open. There's no mask. The children aren't wearing
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: masks and everybody's still in school. So my wife was like,
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: if we can have a house in Arizona, I would really,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: really love it. So we got a house in Arizona
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: and now me being here in Austin, in Texas, Austin, Austin, Texas,
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: and feeling the vibe, the good weather and like the food,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: the people, it's like, fuck man. Like it reminds me
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: of Arizona. Like I want to move to Arizona and
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: be there full time just because just the atmosphere is
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: different and the weather is good. Um, and Washington, it's rainy,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: it's cloudy.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: It's not good for your mind.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: That's what she said.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: That's seasonal depression shit. That's real.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: She hates it. She's like, I hate it.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: Get out while your kids are young. Yeah.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's just, I just can't yet. I
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: don't think I can. I think, Because of training. For training.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: We'll keep that house. Like that house, I ain't never
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: selling that house.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: Why don't you go down there and train with Henry?
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: Shit, that's how it all started, baby. Triple C.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: He's doing some amazing shit down there, man. Dude, he is.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: That fight ready, that's an amazing camp. The scientific aspect
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: of it. Yeah.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: I love Henry, okay? Let me tell you a thing.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: This is how I think we get along so well, right?
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: So I talked to him. I called him. I was like, hey, Henry,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: I got a house out here. Can I come train?
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: He goes, absolutely, Demetrius. He goes, I think we do
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: great things. But before we train, I want to sit
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: down and I want to show you something. I was like, oh,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: fuck Henry. Please don't try to sell me on something.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: Can we just vibe out together? I go to his
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: house and we're talking. I met his wife and his
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: beautiful baby, America. And we're sitting there. I see my
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: fucking pillow on his couch and all those pillows and whatnot.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: And he's showing me his book. And he started breaking
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: down his mindset and how he approaches his training and
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: his fights. And I was like, okay, all right. Because
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: I fought him twice, right? And I already knew he
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: was already good and brilliant. But when we get to
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: actually sit down and vibe off each other, that's when
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm going to come back out
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: here and I'm going to train for 10 days.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: What is his mindset? Like what is special about it?
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: You know, they're talking about him fighting Aljamain. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: I think he'll be fighting against Aljamain.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: I'm excited about that.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: I think he beats Aljamain.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: Do you really? I do. Al Jermaine's a bad motherfucker.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: And so two things. One, Al Jermaine's very bad. He's
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: starting to come into his own. He's starting to embrace.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, right now, he's a champion. He's a champion.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: He's starting to embrace that backpack rule, getting heavy on people,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: crossing distance, taking them down, getting on their back, locking
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: up the body triangle. He's very long, very big for
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: the weight class, right?
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: He's perfect for the weight class.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: He's perfect for the.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: Weight class, right? Yeah.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: So where I think Henry's going to be able to excel,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: where other people have falter, right? is Henry is an
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: amazing wrestler.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist. Two, Henry is probably the most disciplined
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: person I've ever trained with. What I mean by that
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: is that, so, Henry will look at somebody and be like, okay,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: where can I beat him at? Okay, that's where I
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: can beat him at. We're not leaving there. We're staying there. Like,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: when we're talking about the Dominic Cruz fight, he was like,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to kick his fucking legs. I'm not going
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: to stop. I'm going to kick his legs. And, we're watching,
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: he's doing his thing, his dance, and, His faint, faint
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: low kick. He's waiting, waiting. Sometimes he will get off track,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: but he'll reel himself back in, back into fighting. Where
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: when me and him train, it was good because he
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: was like, you're, he goes, you're a killer. I was like,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? He goes, you don't do anything
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: we talked about. Like, you're just, you just want to push, push, push, push.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, yes, because he needs to be finished.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: He needs to not die, but I wanted to pose
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: my will on him. Like when I was getting ready
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: to fight Adriano, he goes, nobody kicks. Do not throw
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: any body kicks. Kick his legs, then the hands will come.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you. I guarantee you, right? What's the first
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: fucking thing I do when I fight Adriano? Body kick.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: Body kick. And Henry says, if you throw a body kick,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: he's going to catch it and take you down. And
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: sure enough, he did that. But that's where me and
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: him thrive because we question each other's skill set on
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: a humble way. That makes sense.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: Right. Testing it.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: Testing it, right? And so... I think when he decides
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: to come back, he'll be fine against Aljo because he's
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: just fucking smart.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: Well, he's a wizard. You know, when he fought Wilson Hayes,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, look at this motherfucker. He looks like
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: a karate champion.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: Remember?
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: He's standing sideways like Wonderboy. Yep. And now he's trying
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: to transition. He's changing it, right? He's always changing it. Yes.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: And when I went out there to train with him,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I can make your clinch game
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: fucking nasty. Like, with your wrestling pedigree.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: Arizona.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I know.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: You need to move.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: Get to that sunlight.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: Get to that sunlight. It might make you better. Vitamin D,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: always good for the brain.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you do speak a lot of truth there, Joe.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: Fuck rain, bro. Rain's good. Like here, what I love
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: about Austin, it rains occasionally.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: So you appreciate the sun. Yeah. But I can't fuck
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: with a place that rains all the time.
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: I think if I didn't have my friends and family
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: in Washington, I don't want to say it's a problem.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: That's what's keeping me attached.
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're a fun guy. You'll make new friends.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: No. I have a very small circle, and I don't
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: like to open up.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe take Matt Hume to Arizona and say, hey, Matt. Yeah, right?
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: Matt's got his kids and his life out there, too.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: I get it. Look, I had my life in California.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. My wife, Destiny, she's like, I'm ready to
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: move right now. You say the word, babe. We gone.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be very interesting to see you full
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: time with Henry. Very interesting.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: We would probably, it's funny, we're training and then I
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: did something. I did like, like I was fully mounted
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: and I, instead of staying in a mountain and pounding
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: a guy out, I went to triangle. Like I've stepped
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: over and triangle them and went to my back and
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: finished triangle. He goes, why did you do that? I'm like,
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: why the fuck not? He goes, I would have stayed
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: up top and pound him. I was like, yeah, but
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: I just ended the fight.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: Who knows? He could have turtled.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: He could have did this. So we bounce off each other.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, like, your grappling is so good
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: that you need to start finishing people with your submissions.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, but so we vibe off each other.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: So we're going to go, I'm gonna go out there
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: and train.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: There's no one right way. Exactly.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: And that was a biggest eye opener I had when
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: I trained with him. And for him to say, he
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: was like, D he, he, he calls me Demetrius. He goes, Demetrius,
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: you're a high volume athlete. Your conditioning is off the charts. You're,
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: Nine weeks out from your fight and you're already in shape.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: He goes, I'm worried about you. I'm like, I'm fine.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: I'll take time off.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: He's worried about you peaking too early?
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: Peaking too early. But he is precise. He is move
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: very little. Move, move, move.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: Right hand. Right.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: Left kick. Right hand, left hand. Smoke, smoke, right hand.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: He's very precise with what he does. Where me, I'm
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: just like.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: Flowing.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm flowing. I'm like, one, one, two, up, six, three, two, nine, nine, knee,
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: double leg takedown, pass. And he goes, you can do
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: that because you have the energy for it. And I
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: was like, exactly. So when he told me that, it
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: almost kind of, for me to come on my own
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: as an athlete, you know.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: But he's a different frame than you.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: Like he's cutting a lot of weight. Yeah. he cut
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of weight to make 25 and missed it
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: a few times. But at 35, he's a fucking beast.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I think he's walking, when I was there,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: he's probably at 165 now. So he's always been, he's
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: got a little tortillas. He's got, he's got tortillas. He's
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: got that.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: He's got that.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: He's got that retirement body. That's what that is.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: But not quite.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's losing weight. Yeah. He's in the USADA pool,
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: I believe as well. Um, so I'm super excited for
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: him to come back. If he does come back.
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: I'm very interested in that fight with him and Al Jermaine.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: That's a very interesting fight to me.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: What he needs to do is just go out there,
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: control distance, throw body kicks. Well, he probably fucking won't.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: Cause I mean, you know, he doesn't like to get
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: taken down. Throw body kicks, but throw things up the
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: middle because Aljo, the thing, backpack, big, he's coming to
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: his own, but his stand-up is not rhythm. He has
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: no rhythm on his feet.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: So rhythm is like, you know, when I'm here, Aljo
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: is not like this. He's not like, he's not a rhythm.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: It's like. Right.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: It's not flowy. It's not like smooth, like a kickboxer.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So it's kind of unorthodox, right?
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: You watch Henry. Henry's here. He's moving. It's very like
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: he's dancing a little bit. That makes sense. So I'm
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: not saying Aljo doesn't have rhythm. I'm saying that his
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: stand-up is a little more unorthodox, which that's going to
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: give Henry problems when they fight.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: He likes a lot of front kicks up the middle, too.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of front kicks up the middle, too. Which
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: Henry will catch that, and it can wrestle, and we'll
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: see who's a better wrestler. But that's what I see
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: when I break down that fight. I'm like, okay, well,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: I don't... Aljo's stand-up is kind of like.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: The last fight was very unfortunate that TJ's shoulder was
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: that fucked up going into the fight, but I had
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: heard that. I had heard his shoulders were fucked.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: That shit has not changed since WC days. You know
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: how many times I've been in line? Because every single
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: time you fight, Their doctor checks you, like, raise your hands, squeeze, up, down, left, right.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: Check your shoulders, your knees. I remember I was getting
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: ready to fight in WEC. Antonio Bumbala fought with a
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: broken hand. He was like, yeah, I broke my fucking hand.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: I got to fight. Because when you fight, you get
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: that insurance. Any damages you cure on fight night, they
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: cover it 100% with insurance. So, you know, look at
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: it as an athlete standpoint.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: Here's TJ. He's 36.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: He's 36 years old. he's healthy, he's like, I don't
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: know if I'm gonna get another shot, you know.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: But his shoulders were fucked a long time ago.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know that. I mean, he had.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Massive tears in his supraspinatus.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: Well, he said it tore, it came out of his socket, what,
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: 20 times? 20 times. 20 times in training camp? Yeah.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: But this is how we make our money. Like, who
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: Aaron Pico, when he was fighting, he was like, don't
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: stop this fight, this is how I make my fucking money, right?
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: Right, well, he's trying to put it back in.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: Well, exactly, but think about that mindset. This is how
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: I make my money.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: Right, like, I need to do whatever I can to
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: make that money.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: Also, he's just trying to win. Aaron was still trying
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: to win. Yeah, absolutely. He missed with a left hook, right?
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: And it just popped out. Who, Aaron?
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't see what happened that led to him, the
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: shorter pop out. I just saw the highlight of him like,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: like trying to get back in. He was like, don't
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: stop the fight. That's how I make my money, you know,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: which is the truth. So I think for TJ, he
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: was like, this is how I make my money. I
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: got one opportunity. I'm going to put it back in and, fight. Yeah.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: I just think TJ's shoulders were already fucked up before
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: the retirement and before the time off from popping hot. Oh, really? Yeah. No,
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: his shoulder has been fucked forever.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: See, then once again, you only can do this for
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: so long.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: So that's why I tell myself, like, you have, you
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: have to stop. Like at some point, you have to stop.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: Like what is the biggest injury that you've ever had?
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: Oh God.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: Um, I'll say shoulders. Like I still have problems with
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: my shoulders just from years of wrestling and Shooting and
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: filling all the weight mm-hmm going bigger guys because I'm
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: the smallest guy in the gym I'll say my.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: Shoulders shoulders are always fucked for for wrestlers.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cuz you're carrying all that weight Mm-hmm, right and
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: then you know my main sparring partner is Matt, you know,
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: so and he's like 170 170 175 then next down
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: on this is James he's like 165 and then Tony
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: he's about 190 and then at my jiu-jitsu place and
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: the closest person to my size is the women, but
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: I don't, I grapple with women sometimes, but then I'm
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: grappling with the bigger guys. So I'm always carrying a
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: lot of that.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 2: Weight on my, the reason for you to go down
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: to Arizona.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: That's one thing that's nice. They have bodies on bodies,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: but now we have, since we, uh, combined with Charlie's gym,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: now we have the law, amazing one 25 or, uh,
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: we have a hobby. We have some smaller guys, but
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: when I went to, um, Arizona, holy fuck, man, there
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: was a, Two-time national champion, A.J. Reese, got some rounds
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: with him. You had Jose. Like, there's probably, like, from
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: 125 to 155, there's probably, like, maybe 30 guys.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that's better for your career?
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it could also be horrible for my career
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 1: because you're going to get injury prone.
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 2: Why would you get injury prone if you're training with
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: guys your size versus training with bigger guys?
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: Because you're competing with those guys every single time. I
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: know what you're getting at, like, If I'm competing with
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: smaller guys, I wouldn't have to carry the weight, but
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: you're also in a room full of fucking killers that
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: are trying to make it to the next level. So
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: they're always testing themselves. So you know how they say
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: iron sharpens iron, but also iron breaks.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: Iron, right? How hard are they training down there?
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, they go hard. Henry does his own thing, right?
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: In what way?
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: In what way where Henry's like, he doesn't train, like,
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: when we were down there, I was like, are we
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: going to spar, Henry? He goes, no, I don't need
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: to spar. I don't need, I don't know what hell
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: feels like. I don't need to experience that. So, When
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: Henry's not in training camp, he's not training. Like, if
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Henry, let's do five rounds. He'll
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: get through it because he's mentally tough. And, you know,
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: he's a competitor. But my condition would be way beyond his.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: Just because I'm, like, I did... You're always in shape.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: I'm always in shape. I did, you know, when I
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: did New Wave, me and Gary grappled for 20 minutes straight.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: Like, nonstop.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: Just going back and forth, back and forth. And I
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: was like, we can do another 20 if we want to, right?
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: So.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: Henry does his own thing to where the team does
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: their own thing. And I think the team, they spar
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: three days a week there. And so I think if
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: I trained with a whole bunch of killers like that,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: I think I'll be injury-prone. I think I'll sustain more
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: injuries in my career. Hmm. Or I could be wrong, Joe.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're right.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you would be. I mean,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: I think if you're training with Henry, you'd probably be
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: very smart in how he approaches your... Because he would
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: probably want to try to make you the best that
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: he can make you.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't... I like to train... I like
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: to push out.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: Of camp, right?
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: Where I don't know if he wants, if he does.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: So that's what the difference I think would come down to.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: When you were talking about his mindset, we got to
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: derail a little bit there.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: So his mindset, he's like this. He was like, we
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: sat down, he goes, if you were to fight Jon Jones,
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: what would you do? I was like, I'll get all
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: over Jon Jones. He goes, you'll get all over Jon Jones?
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'll put the pressure on him.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: I'll beat him up in the clinch. I would take
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: him down and pass his guard and submit him. That's
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: what I would do. And he goes, see, I would
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: do He has six different areas where he's like, okay,
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: there's balance. You're sitting there. You're not overcommitting or you're
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: just chilling. You're reacting. Then he has one that says commit.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: You have to take risk, right? The risk management. Then
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: there's another category where it's like counter. So he has
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: these six categories that he lives in. And when he's
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: looking at a person he's going to fight, he'll sit
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: there and look at his categories and be like, okay,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: do we take risk with this guy? Okay, if we
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: take a risk with this guy, here's the pros, here's
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: the cons. If we stay balanced, where we're neutral, right?
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: Here's the pros, here's the cons. And he sticks by that.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: So in his whole training camp, eight weeks, it's by
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: that book. He does not deviate from that.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: And this is something he's developed on his own.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: I believe he's developed on his own. Like when he
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: showed me that, like that's where we're two different animals, right?
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: Where it's like....
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, you, he's like, and then, then.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: He'll switch up.
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: He goes, sometimes you have to take that risk in
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: order to get that, you know, to get that reward.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: But how much of that risk do you want to take? How,
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: how much do you put your eggs in that basket?
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: Where for me, I'm like, nope, I'm going out there
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm putting the pressure. I
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 1: want to overwhelm you like with my skill set. Am
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: I conditioning and once once you Can't take the overwhelming
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: then that's when you succumb to whatever it is You
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: decide to you pick your poison and not make sure
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: you die that way mmm, so that's what we're different
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: like I When we sit there, like, I have the
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: same mindset, but I just, I deviate off that path. Like,
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: I just like, nope, I'm gone. I'm gone. Let me
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: do my thing. Like, when I'm sparring, I'm like, hey,
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: I want you to, you know, I want you to
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 1: try to get this out. I'm like, okay, I'll try.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: Then once shit starts going, I'm just like doing my
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: own thing. And he was like, that's not what I
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: wanted you to do. And I'm like, yeah, I know that.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: But hey, we got the job done though, right?
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: So that's where Henry, he will stay to it. He'll
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: spend the whole round kicking legs, kicking legs, kicking legs.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm bored, dude. Like, I'm not going to
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: spend five minutes kicking those legs. I need to show kick,
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: fly knee. Like when we're play sparring, like I do
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: a fly knee and shoot for a takedown. He goes,
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: you're just all over the place. I'm like, yeah, it's
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: kind of fun. I like it that way.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: Obviously, it's worked out for you, though.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, how could you argue that your approach is bad?
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: And that's a beautiful thing. He doesn't say my approach
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: is bad. He says the approach is different for everybody.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: It seems like I'm convincing you to go to Arizona. No,
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: you're not.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should be.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: I'll tell him, hey, Matt, we had a good ride, baby.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: Here I come. No.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: Listen, Matt can fly in every now and then.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he could. But I like the responsibility as a
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: father to get my kids to school. Like when I'm
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: in training camp, I don't stop. Like when I'm in
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: training camp, I'm working on the bars. I'm working on,
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: you know, a portable consultant. So we're going to my
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: businesses while I take care of my children while training
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: for my fights. Like I like to have my plate
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: full because it keeps my brain stimulated. It doesn't let me,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: it just keeps me going.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: And you don't think you could do that and have
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: a life similar to that in Arizona?
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think so because I just, I have to
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: start over from scratch. Like I just have to.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that would help your mind too? The
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: beginner's mindset starting over from scratch.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but I'll miss my friends and my routine. And like,
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: like I would move to Arizona. I got two, I
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: got four more fights left. That's two years.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: Right. So I'm 38, 39 years old. Then it's going
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: to come down to, do I leave my father-in-law? Do
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: I leave my mother-in-law? Do I leave my mom? Do I,
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: leave my best friend, my, my children's best friends. Like
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: that's the thing that's going to come over. That's going to,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to battle with, you know what
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: So two years is nothing, right? Two, I mean, I'll
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: fight twice next year. Then I'll decide, do I want
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: to continue to fight or not? Do one of my
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: businesses become a unicorn and take off? I'm like, I
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: don't need to fight anymore. I got enough money. I got,
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: I got enough money. I don't need to fight.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: So then I'm like, okay, then we revisit. Do we
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: move to Arizona, get some more sunshine and weather and
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: pull the kids out? Or do we just go back
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 1: and forth? Where it's like, Hey, My wife was just
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: in Arizona for five days and she came back home
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: and she goes, it's fucking weather. Can't believe you're here.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: She woke up one day. I was like, we're in bed.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: She wakes up. She goes, what are we fucking doing?
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, what's wrong, baby? She goes, you see this?
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: You see them fucking clouds? She goes, so nice in Arizona.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: It's just so hard to be here when I know
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: what's out there with the beautiful weather. And I was like,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is once you go to a place
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: where it's sunny all the time and you realize how
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: much better it is for your brain. Mm-hmm.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 1: I see those eyes, Joe. I see those eyes.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: I would live in Arizona in a heartbeat. I love
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: it down there.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. I mean, just the people, the food,
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: the food choices.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: A lot of that. And it's a great community. One
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: of my best friends just moved down there. He moved
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: to Tucson. And he's like, I don't want to move
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: to Tucson. I want to move closer in the middle
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: because he used to live in, that's right next to
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: the border of Mexico. Is that Tijuana? Yeah.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, I used to live in Tijuana. Nothing
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: goes on good in Tucson. And so I always tell him,
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: we have this joke where I say, pussy run that house,
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: not dick. And he'll call me and he'll be like,
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: hey man, you wanna play video games today? I'm like, nah, nah,
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: I can't. I gotta do some laundry and I gotta
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: wash dishes. He goes, yeah, I knew. I knew you
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: were soft. He goes, pussy right in the house. And
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck it. Then I tried to get him
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: back again. I would sit there and wait. And the
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: other day, I was like, hey, man, I'm playing cycle.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: You want to jump on? He goes, I got to
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: cook dinner. And I was like, mm-hmm.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: How do you have time to play video games? Because
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: that is the great time suck. Video games will absorb
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't look at it as a time suck. I
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: look at it as a coping skill for me. So
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: I have, where I find the time is great balance,
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: great support from the wife. And at the beginning of
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: our marriage and our relationship, she never understood it. Shit hell,
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 1: I'm still finding out new things why I enjoy playing
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: video games.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: It's very stimulating.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: It's very stimulating. But for me growing up, it was me,
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: my brother, and my sister, and my mom. And we
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: come from a very poor background. So the one thing
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: we did together that bonded us was playing video games, right?
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: And so now being an adult, it's the only thing
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: I have close to my childhood that brings me back
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: to those times, if that makes sense, right? So when
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: I'm playing video games with my friends, we're laughing, we're
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: having a good time. We can all share the same
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: passion playing video games, where my buddy Chris, he's not
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: an athlete. He's not going to fight, right? So we
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: can't buy on that level. And it's just something I
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: truly love to do. Yeah, let that shit come out.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: Do you ever feel like it takes up too much time?
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: It can when I don't prioritize, right? Because don't get
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: me wrong, it is a big time scene.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: It's a lot, man.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: When I was playing World of Warcraft, right?
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy one.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a funny story. So me and my wife,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: we didn't have any kids. My father-in-law's birthday. And we
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: have a family recipe that he loves, apple pie, that's
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: been passed down from the great-great-grandma to grandma, now to Destiny.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: And so it takes about three hours to make from scratch.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: She peels some apples and makes a crust herself, all
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: from scratch. So my wife's like, hey, what are you doing?
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, do you mind if I play Warcraft?
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play Baratheon Raid Karazhan, which is one
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: of the raids in the Burning Crusade. And she goes,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: how long is it going to take? Usually takes three
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 1: hours to clear, right? And you don't want to leave
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: because if I leave, then who's going to replace me
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: as a DPS? Damage per second, right? So we're going.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: We're going to Nightbane, right? We're going up. And we
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: start fighting them. And we're fucking getting killed every single time.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: My wife comes in there. Destiny, she comes in. She goes, hey, babe,
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: how much longer? I was like, oh, about another hour,
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: which I knew that wasn't true. I knew we still
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: had two and a half hours left, right? The three-hour
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: mark comes up. She goes, hey, are you done? I
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm not. And three hours later, I'm
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: still playing the same fucking game.
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 2: Three hours later.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: Still playing the same game, same spot, right? We would die, respond, die, respond, die, respond.
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, guys, I got to call it. Like,
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 1: I'm six hours past time. I'm supposed to be off here.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 1: Then I go out the living room, and she's sitting there.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: She goes, okay, you got to make a choice. It's
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: either me or water or crap. I was like, bye, wow,
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: I'm out, deuces.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: From that point, I.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: Took a huge.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: step away from gaming. Like, I was like, I have
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: to put away, because I could not prioritize what was
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: more important.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: They're obsessive.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 1: They're very obsessive. But then now, with streaming, Twitch, I've
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 1: been able to monetize it and meet amazing people that
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: I would have never met through gaming.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: Are you making money off of Twitch?
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: I just recently switched to YouTube because of all the
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 1: Twitch bullshit.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 2: What's the Twitch bullshit? Well, just.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: You know, me and Jamie were talking about it. So
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say Twitch bullshit. Can I be
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: more positive?
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: So with Twitch, I find it hard and I struggle
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: with that. I've been streaming on the platform for nine
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: years and I haven't seen any growth. And that could
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: be from my part too of not, you know, grinding
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: is hard. But at the point in time when I
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: was grinding, I was making probably about like $ 2, 500 a
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: month just playing video games, right? It was able to
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: cover mortgage. But my life was I would wake up
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: train after my first training session, go next door, stream
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: for two hours, go next door back to AMC, train
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 1: for another two hours, drive home, shower, kiss my wife,
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 1: eat dinner, go back downstairs and stream. I had no life.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: That's all I did was stream, stream, stream, stream, stream.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: And now I was able to monetize and make good money.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: And then I sat down and I was like, I'm
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: not having fun anymore. This is not, it's a job.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: It's a job. Like I don't, I don't want that. Right.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: And so Then you started seeing girls utilize the platform
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: on a different way. With the hot tub streams. I
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: ain't hating on them. I'm happy they were able to capitalize.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: Hot tub streams?
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you... You don't spend much time
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 1: on the internet, so let me go ahead. Well, you
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: do watch people get murdered, but let me tell you.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not much time. I know.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: It's like 30 seconds. Oh, he got his fucking head
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: chopped off.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: I've cut my time down substantially.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So pretty much people would do... You hear all this.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: There it is. Hot tub streams? Oh, no. Pools, hot tubs,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: and beaches. So what is that? A whole channel?
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: That's a whole channel.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: That girl's doing yoga in her underwear.
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: Hilarious. What do you think they're doing? What do you
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: think they're trying to sell right there?
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: Pussy.
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: Boy, I didn't know that that existed.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: It does exist.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: How many girls? That girl's only got 40. 44 viewers? Oh,
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: that might not even be her stream. She's a popular
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: porn star? Very popular.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: She's working her way up.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: She's working her way up. She streams in a bikini?
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: Are you allowed to be naked?
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: No, you cannot. That qualifies. You break the conduct code.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: Click on this. What is this? This is the top
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: female streamer.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she fucking kills it.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: Killing in a month a couple million dollars a month.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah Wow, but see boom right here Why is this
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: a pop this ad that pops up, but she doesn't
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: dictate what this ad is She has no say so
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 1: what this ad is, right?
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for a couple million dollars a month I
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: bet she doesn't give.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: A so this was a new thing in the platform
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: that came to right so streaming in your underwear. Yeah,
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: so for me, I After nine years on Twitch, I
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, I want to try something new.
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 2: So you're streaming your underwear now?
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: No, I'm streaming on YouTube. You know, there are a
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: couple people who told me to do hot tub streams. Like, dude,
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 1: can you stream in the hot tub? I was like,
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: you want to see my half-naked body? Don't you see
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: it enough when I'm fighting? He goes, I think it'd
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: be great to see you in the hot tub, man.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ban and get him out of here now.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: Put your pants on, sir. Exactly.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: So I switched over to YouTube. That's been fun. Been
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 1: able to make content on there. It's been great.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 2: So this is a girl. I like how the reverse angle.
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: The mirror?
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like... Everyone has that.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: They have a mirror? Yeah. Doesn't everyone? Oh, Jesus. And so...
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: I get the attraction.
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: So that's the thing that it's going. And then now
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: they have poker. They have a big thing. Everybody was
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: complaining about poker because people will gamble on Twitch. And
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: people were like, give me your money and I'll gamble it, right?
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: And people were like, there's some people like, oh, that
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be allowed. There's some people that say it should
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: be allowed. So all that, I was like, you know what?
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to step away from Twitch. I'm
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 1: going to try YouTube and so far YouTube has been great. Um,
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: I've had a YouTube channel for a long time, but
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to not post any MMA content, right?
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: Like I don't want to have any mixed martial arts
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: just because I want to be known for something else
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: besides mixed martial arts.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: So I love YouTube because my channel is not dead
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: when I'm not live. I'm only monetizing when I'm live
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: on Twitch.
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see. So people can go to your channel,
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: watch the old.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: Videos, watch the old videos and, And the algorithm on
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: YouTube is so much better than Twitch. So if you're
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 1: a small streamer on Twitch, you're never going to get discovered.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: It's very, very, very, very hard.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 2: Because there's so many people on it.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: There's so many people and there's no algorithm to pick
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: you up. I switched to YouTube and people were like,
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know you had a YouTube channel. I
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 1: didn't know you stream. I'm like, I've been streaming for
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: fucking nine years. How do you not know I didn't stream?
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 1: And so then I read the comments and I comment
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: back on the comments on the YouTube channel. And then
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: somebody says, oh my God, thank God for the algorithm
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: because I would never find your channel. When I see that,
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ah. And then if I do a reaction video,
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: people send me stuff and I reacted to fake martial
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: arts and I'll sit there and just laugh about it
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 1: and give my honest opinion about it and people love
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: and eat it up and then it's still getting views
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm still able to get ad revenue and the
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: monetization on it. So that's why I switched over to YouTube.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: But it's all for a passion. Like I don't, I'm
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 1: not relying on that money to be, To pay my bills.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 2: Right. So you're not thinking of it as a job. No,
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: it's for fun. Like you've been doing with Twitch for
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 1: For Twitch, I was like, if I want to be good,
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: I have to stream all the time. YouTube is like,
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: I stream when I want to, and then I do
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 1: a couple reaction videos, leave it up there. And then
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: when I'm not streaming right now, people are probably watching
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 1: the YouTube video and be good.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. YouTube does have
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 2: amazing algorithms.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: And if you're doing something like that, it makes sense. Yeah.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: The problem with YouTube for what I do is there's
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of censorship.
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: And especially when you talk about controversial things like, you know,
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: COVID or anything along those lines.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 1: They try to cancel you, Joe.
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: YouTube didn't. I mean, I was already gone. I was
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 2: already on Spotify, which Spotify is pretty great about that stuff.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: But if you're a person and you get hit with
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: a strike, like YouTube only has like three strikes.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: And they'll pull your whole fucking channel.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: That's the hardest thing. So that's the hardest thing I've
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: been trying to get around is me being on YouTube.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: It's like you can't play music. Right. Or it's going
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 1: to be copyright.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 1: So my brother, my long lost brother, I just met
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: after 35 years on this planet.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Oh, man.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much time we have, but we
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 1: have a whole I have. I just met my father
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: five years ago. Changed my life. So but my brother,
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: he's a musician and he does beats. And so I
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: reached out to him. I was like, hey, dude, like,
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 1: can you make me some synthwave music that I can,
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 1: you know, play on my YouTube channel? And so he's
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: doing it and he's, uh, he's doing, he does pretty
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 1: good beats and I like synth. Do you know what
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: synthwave is?
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 1: Synthwave is kind of like a eighties, nineties rock, rock, um, action,
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 1: action hero.
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like that. So he's making me
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: beats that way I can play music when I'm streaming on.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 2: It's not copyright.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 1: It's not copyright. I own the rights to it. Right.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: So on Twitch, you're allowed to play music.
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: No, same thing. You can't either. So, but when I
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: streamed on Twitch, I didn't, I didn't really cared about it.
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: I think, YouTube, they're way quicker to get it up.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: It's a copyright change, no monetization, you're done. So Twitch,
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 1: you can play music and you still get monetized. You
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 1: can still monetize the stream itself. But yeah, I like YouTube.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: It's fun so far. Well, it's beautiful that you have
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 2: so many different things you're doing, that you do have
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 2: options outside of fighting because that is one of the
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 2: biggest problems that athletes have when they retire from the sport.
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 2: You give so much of your life to this one
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 2: individual thing, and then a lot of guys are really
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 2: lost when it's over. So it's very smart that you're
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: planning with these businesses. And by the way, these bars,
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 2: we should tell people about them one more time. Quantum
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: Energy Square, they're very good. They're really good. It does
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 2: have healthy fats in it and caffeine, and they taste good, man.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 1: We're also an REI company. Um, all whole foods.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 2: And, uh, these would be great to take on hikes
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: and shit like that.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's where we, um, I take it when I
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 1: go to with the kids and I'm at the eat
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: out there. So it's good. And that's one of the
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 1: things I never want to be lost. Right. I never
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: want to get lost. And that's why even after my
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 1: last fight, when I won, I was like, man, I
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: did this wrong. I did this wrong. And Matt was like, dude,
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 1: you just became a fucking world champion at 36 years old. Again,
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: without me in your corner, like let's, let's take a
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 1: step back and enjoy the moment.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: Um, and that's why, I don't want to get lost
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: in that. I don't want to succumb to that ego
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 1: or you're the goat. It's like, hey, you know what?
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 1: We won. How do we get to the end game
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: where our businesses thrive and they succeed? And I go
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 1: right out there to Sunset and we're like, man, why
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: were you so successful? And I was like, because I
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 1: didn't put all my eggs. I mean, I did, but
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 1: I'm also branching out and doing different things.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: Well, in two years when you're done. Come back on.
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: We'll celebrate the whole ride. And hopefully you'll be balling
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 2: out of control with these quantum energy squares.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 1: Should I be like Jeff Bezos and get all fucking jacked? Like,
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: look at DJ. I remember two years ago he was
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 1: on the show. Look, he's all jacked now.
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 2: On the sauce.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: No, God, no.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: Wearing gold chains. Never get on the sauce? Never.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: I don't need it.
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 2: How many people over in 1FC are on the sauce?
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 2: Seems like a couple. I don't.
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing about that. I don't. I fought somebody
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: on EPO. I didn't think TJ would ever take EVO.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 2: Well, he said he only took it because he was
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: trying to make 125, right? Yeah. He did look like
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 2: he was on death's door.
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 1: I still didn't, I still didn't want to believe he
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: did it. Right. So if people are going to do it,
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: they can do it. Like I talked to a buddy
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: at my gym. I say, he goes, do you think
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 1: this guy is natural or not? I'm like, uh, I
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 1: think he's natural. He goes, he's not, he's not. He,
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: he came out and made it. He does it. And
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh man, I would never do it. And
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 1: I've seen Matt. He's still, still fast as hell. Still trains.
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 1: He's still, Biceps, got abs. I mean, he's a freak
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 1: of nature, but he doesn't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: How old is Matt now?
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 1: Matt is 56 years old.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And he's still moving and still training.
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  Speaker 2: And still sparring.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 1: Still sparring.
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have something to look up to.
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  Speaker 2: Is he really strict with his diet?
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's also just a freak of nature. I
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 1: tell him, you're built like an 18-year-old. Look at that back.
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: Look at him biceps. But I think his biggest thing
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: is that he travels so much. He doesn't have a
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: time zone. So I asked him, I was like, how
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 1: do you feel? At 56, he goes, if I get
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 1: my sleep and my nutrition, I feel like I'm 22, 23. Wow.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 1: But he's like, if I don't get my sleep, that's
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 1: what hurts him the most. So there's going to be
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 1: a chance one of these is going to beat him
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 1: in sparring. And when it does, he's going to be
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: fucking dehydrated and lethargic. And I'm like, now it's time.
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: Catch him jet lagged.
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 1: Jet lagged. And that was the thing, like, that was
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: my goal is I want to be able to take,
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 1: you know, Three months off, I'm sparring. I just punched
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 1: for the first time yesterday at the gym since my fight.
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 1: And I want to be able to take four months off,
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 1: come into the gym. I'm like, all right, guys, you
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 1: guys all been training MMA. Let's see how good you
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: got in four months. And I'm still beating them. I'm like,
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 1: just like Matt did to me when I was a kid. So, yeah,
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: That's the goal.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 1: That is the goal.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 2: Well, DJ, it's always a pleasure to see you, man.
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: And it's a pleasure to watch you out there killing it.
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: I really, really appreciate it.
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks, man.
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: It's nice to see. Thanks, man. You got a great attitude, man.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the ride. I will, man. I will.
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: Tell everybody your social media so they can find you.
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, social media on Instagram is Mighty, and Twitter is
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 1: Mighty Mouse. YouTube is Mighty Gaming. And yeah, man, thanks
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 1: for the support, Joe. I truly appreciate it, man.
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 2: My pleasure, brother. Good to see you.
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you, baby.
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.