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Episode 2 - Why Tim Tebow Dedicated His Life To Fight Human Trafficking · Solving the World's Greatest Problems

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SPEAKER_05: How many women have filed a lawsuit against Pornhub?
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SPEAKER_05: The women are accusing the adult website of running a quote criminal enterprise and exploiting them for profit.
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SPEAKER_02: In this undercome location, um, other people were there, and some men entered with four little girls, and they started to motion off the four little girls.
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SPEAKER_05: Solving the world's greatest problems is updated to the public.
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SPEAKER_05: The time has come for entrepreneurs, investors, givers, industry leaders to explain the church's aiming college.
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SPEAKER_05: The scale of brokenness is too big for us to do this in silence.
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SPEAKER_05: Welcome to the Solving the World's Greatest Problems podcast.
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SPEAKER_05: An estimated 50 million people are trapped in modern-day slavery right now.
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SPEAKER_05: And the question is, what does it actually look like to fight back?
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SPEAKER_05: We have two guests who aren't just talking about the problem, they're doing something about it.
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SPEAKER_05: First, you've known him as an NFL quarterback.
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SPEAKER_05: But Tim Tebow's greatest drive may be off the field.
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SPEAKER_05: As the founder of the Tim Tebow Foundation, he has built a global movement attacking trafficking at every stage through prevention, rescue, and long-term survivor care.
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SPEAKER_05: And joining him is West Lyons, a partner at Eagle Venture Fund, an investment firm with a unique mission.
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SPEAKER_05: Deploying capital into the companies that are directly fighting human trafficking.
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SPEAKER_05: These are two bed, two lanes, one mission.
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SPEAKER_05: Let's talk about the world problem of human trafficking and how to solve it.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the things that's so encouraging for us to hear is we're kind of kicking off something new.
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SPEAKER_00: When we talk about solving the world's greatest problems, they're big problems, they're complex issues.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're trying to help people find accessibility kind of on the other side of that complexity.
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SPEAKER_00: And so one of the things we're filming here is this kind of this series of like introducing people to the issue.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: And so, as Tim said, we don't have seven days here to kind of kick this off, but could you guys just for a like a high level kind of start to separate some of this?
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SPEAKER_00: Like certainly there's the demand side of things, but I think even just hearing the other night, when you talk about CSAM, when you talk about like what's the the why, the evil why behind that, what's the evil why behind the trafficking side?
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SPEAKER_00: Can you break down maybe the different sinister motives that we often see behind those and separate those two conversations for us?
2:52
SPEAKER_01: So it's really you you mentioned the word motives, it really is the difference of motives.
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SPEAKER_01: So human trafficking is money motivated and at a just gut-wrenching scale on the hundreds of billions of dollars in the trading of people.
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SPEAKER_01: Sexual exploitation is actually a deviant motive where sin is just taken over and it's it's not to make money.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's about pleasure and deviance.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's the kind of big separation between those two worlds.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: Tim, I want to come to you when you talk about this.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: One of the things that we talk a lot about on the podcast is like, what's the villain?
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SPEAKER_00: And what's that thing behind the thing?
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SPEAKER_00: And sometimes we just we uncover this villain.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe we just go through life, we don't realize that the villain is there.
3:34
SPEAKER_00: But what is it like for you specifically in this where you saw the villain of trafficking and got called into it?
3:41
SPEAKER_00: What was the personal story that brought you to this fight?
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SPEAKER_02: Um, many years ago, my dad was preaching, um, and uh my dad was doing a pastor's conference in an underground in a country where faith um isn't really allowed, and he was doing an underground pastors conference with pastors from all over, and they were doing underground so they wouldn't get arrested, they could go back to their communities and and encourage and share the good news and the hope of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_02: And in this underground location, um other people were there and then some men entered uh with four little girls and they started to auction off the four little girls.
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SPEAKER_02: And one of the reasons why my dad is one of my biggest heroes and role models is he's not someone that can look the other way and do nothing.
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SPEAKER_02: And so he took out all the money in his wallet, which was about twelve hundred and fifty dollars for the rest of his trip and um his trip to return home, and he was able to purchase the freedom of these four girls.
4:36
SPEAKER_02: And after that, um dad called me and um I said, Hey dad, how's your trip going?
4:42
SPEAKER_02: What are you up to?
4:43
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Oh, it's going good.
4:44
SPEAKER_02: I was like, Well, what are you doing?
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SPEAKER_02: He's like, Um, I just had the chance to purchase the freedom of four girls.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, that's not your normal Monday night conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Dad, what are you talking about?
4:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh he tells me the story.
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SPEAKER_02: And one of my first reactions was, Dad, what what did all of the pastors that were at the table with you do?
5:05
SPEAKER_02: And um the answer was sad.
5:08
SPEAKER_02: Because it was nothing.
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SPEAKER_02: There wasn't one of them that said, Hey, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Tebow, let me go find him dinner.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Tebow, let me find him a night stay.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: Hey, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Tebow, let me find him breakfast, let's get transportation, let's let's you know be a part of it.
5:21
SPEAKER_02: And the reason why behind that was because they all had really good excuses.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Tebow, you know the money that went to those men, they're gonna do something else bad with it, which is true.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: But go say that to those four girls.
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SPEAKER_02: And I find it really easy for me and probably a few more than just me to find ways to make really good excuses.
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SPEAKER_02: That, oh, you know what, I I really want to go make a difference, and I'm gonna do that.
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SPEAKER_02: I just need a few things to work on, or I I have to do this.
5:58
SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: We can lie to others and we can lie to ourselves, and we can make those excuses, and I know that I've done it many times in my life.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: You know, oh, let me just think and pray about it, Justin.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Let me just wait, and you know, uh, and you know, and hey, and it's something that has really convicted me.
6:16
SPEAKER_02: How many times in my life have I waited to just make you know, made really good excuses, but it was just a buy time for me to wait to actually answer the call.
6:25
SPEAKER_02: And after this happened, not long after it, I got the opportunity to fly to this location.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh by that time, there was already more kids that had been safeguarded and brought out of that situation.
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SPEAKER_02: And um, I remember one of the first girls that I got to meet um was a young girl that didn't make enough money one day, and uh, she came home and her mom being in a really tough situation um and being in a lot of despair was so frustrated with her that she took her and boiled out her eye.
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SPEAKER_02: And um and that was a big turning point for me.
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SPEAKER_02: Um the pain and the despair and the challenge.
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SPEAKER_02: What do I say?
7:10
SPEAKER_02: What can I say?
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SPEAKER_02: How can I communicate the what love is, what a heavenly father is, what when this sweet girl's whole life has been betrayal, abandonment, uh shame, guilt, and um and seeing more of the kids, it was um heartbreaking and oddly enough partially encouraging because they have been through so much.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: And then and some of the things that we got to take them to do to see the joy on the little bit of kindness that took place, and you could see a a renewing of hope.
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SPEAKER_02: And it's even though it's just a speck, right?
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SPEAKER_02: But like maybe these people really care.
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SPEAKER_02: And um that was the start for me many years ago.
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SPEAKER_02: Um but I I haven't forgotten that call, I haven't forgotten that day, I haven't forgotten that sweet little girl.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, one of the things when you talk about like people that that write books, it's it's really just kind of sharing their journey and sharing their story.
8:28
SPEAKER_00: And it's been a gift for us to really kind of see you walking through this journey and processing through this, and then the encouragement of now you sharing that story in this book.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: I love the the simplicity of this like idea of look again.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: And I think that what you just talked about is so much of like the like emotions when you hear this.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like it's heavy and you want to cry, you want to get angry, and yet sometimes I also find myself smiling because of the hope.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because the good guys come into the fight.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it takes us into that thought of like looking again.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, what is it?
9:06
SPEAKER_00: You told the story the other day, I think, of of friends golfing.
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SPEAKER_00: And just like, how is it that we find ourselves just looking past these things so often?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, what do we need to do to look at because it's hurt because it hurts and it's painful at times to draw near to people's pain, but we know that God is nearer to the brokenhearted, and in my opinion, that means we should be too.
9:29
SPEAKER_02: And the premise behind look again is that we're in a society that is lonely, that is isolated, that the suicide rates are so high when you look at there's more people that are enslaved now than ever before.
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SPEAKER_02: Fifty plus million people are in some form of human trafficking, you have um around 400 million every year that are sexually abused um um or exploited, you have one in three girls that will be sexually um uh abused before they're 18, and one in six boys, you just see the pain and the hurt, and then you just think, what do we do, right?
10:15
SPEAKER_02: Because what is at the root of it?
10:17
SPEAKER_02: What is at the root of all of this?
10:19
SPEAKER_02: And in my opinion, it is a value and a worth thing.
10:22
SPEAKER_02: Um we look back to Nazi Germany and before um so much of the Holocaust started, a lot of people don't know, but they were taking boys and girls and men and women with special needs, and they titled it Life Unworthy of Life.
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SPEAKER_02: And there was over a quarter of a million individuals with special needs that were killed beforehand because they thought that's life unworthy of life.
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SPEAKER_02: But as believers, we believe in every life is fearfully and wonderfully made, was made in love, by love, and for love, by a creator of all, but yet we know what he loves most in his creation is people, because there's only one thing he died for, and that is people.
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SPEAKER_02: And this the heart of look again really started about four years ago at a night to shine in Arizona.
11:14
SPEAKER_02: Um we were having a a drive-thru in special cars that uh through a red carpet, and all these cars were coming through, and we're celebrating all the kings and queens.
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SPEAKER_02: And um a red Corvette pulls by and we're cheering and going crazy, and I'm losing my voice, and cheering for all of them, and uh pulls by and it's this sweet young girl that is just ecstatic.
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SPEAKER_02: The joy on her face um is just priceless.
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SPEAKER_02: And the Corvette pulls through and she's standing in the back just cheering and going crazy, and it pulls back, and I didn't even know that our team and partners made these signs, but on the back we had made these signs that I wasn't even aware of, and on the back it said royalty on board.
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SPEAKER_02: And I thought, man, wow, yeah, that's it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, and so then I I started diving into what does it mean to be made in the image of God?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, what does that really look like?
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SPEAKER_02: And I've heard different sermons growing up.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, it means that we are we are rational and logical beings, and so you know that's what being made in the image of God that we can think, comprehend, and do this, and then some will say it's functional, it's our job, it's to uh to rule and subdue, and you know, you're like, okay, and then you know, say, well, we're relational, and that we were built for relationship with God and one another.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think all three of those things are part of it.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I really do.
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SPEAKER_02: But what about so much of our population?
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SPEAKER_02: Just 16% of our population has some form of special need.
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SPEAKER_02: What about those that that can't work the same way or can't process the same way or can't have the same type of relationship?
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SPEAKER_02: Are they made less in the image of God?
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SPEAKER_02: And my argument would be absolutely not.
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SPEAKER_02: That they are fearfully and wonderfully made.
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SPEAKER_02: They are made in God's image.
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SPEAKER_02: And when we look at Genesis and we look at it before the fall and after the fall, um it is it is mentioned that we are made in God's image.
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SPEAKER_02: What does that really mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, the language that is is used in the Bible is also something that was used to talk about Assyrian kings and Egyptian kings, that they were made in the image of Ra or they were made in the image of Bel, gods that they believed in.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was used as a term for kings or monarchs.
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SPEAKER_02: And if you would have been someone in the ancient Near East, and you would have read that, you would have taken it as a royal worth statement.
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SPEAKER_02: That man, we're made in God's image.
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SPEAKER_02: It is a worth and a value statement that this was used for kings and this is used for monarchs, and now it's brought to me.
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SPEAKER_02: Like the worth and the value that comes from that.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's my hope and my prayer for everyone that would pick up this book.
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SPEAKER_02: It's why it's called Look Again, that you would truly look again at God's word.
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SPEAKER_02: You would look again at your worth and your value.
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SPEAKER_02: Because when I start to look again at how God sees me, when I start to look again at who I am, and then that starts to transform my mind and my heart.
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SPEAKER_02: Then when I see you or I see anyone that I come in contact with, now I'm not gonna see you as just something that I can take something from, or someone that I can just have a relationship with or a friendship, or but I can truly see you as valuable, as worthy, as infinitely valuable.
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SPEAKER_02: And so this is a message to the heart, it's a message to the eyes, it's a message to the mind.
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SPEAKER_02: And there's a reason that subtitles recognize your worth, renew your hope, and run with confidence, because I think it goes in that order.
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SPEAKER_02: When we truly look again at being made in God's image, not as an image bearer, as an image being.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: And we usually say image bearer.
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SPEAKER_02: I I don't believe that, and I stole this from a great friend of mine.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, that an image bearer, if you bear something, what can you do?
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SPEAKER_02: You can put it down.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't have to keep bearing those burdens.
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SPEAKER_02: But you can never set down the image of God in your life and on your life.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Trafficking, structural hunger, a billion people without the Bible in their language.
15:58
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SPEAKER_02: So I think a better translation is we're not an image bearer, we're image being.
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SPEAKER_02: You will always be made in God's image.
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SPEAKER_02: And so when you look again, I really believe it has a chance to transform your heart, your mind, and your eyes.
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SPEAKER_02: Your heart and how you believe you know you were created, in your mind of what you think, and then your eyes of how you see the rest of the world.
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SPEAKER_02: And I really believe when we work again, we really can recognize our worth, we can renew our hope because we know what God says about us, and then we get after that, we can run with confidence.
17:24
SPEAKER_02: And that's my hope and my prayer for this book.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that when we talk about this, there's so much there.
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SPEAKER_00: When I think we when we think about not seeing somebody, I think we think it's neutral.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I didn't see somebody.
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SPEAKER_00: But I was talking to one of the entrepreneurs that we were filming with this week, and they said, it's this simple.
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SPEAKER_00: Traffickers target the people that the church gave up seeing.
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SPEAKER_00: And like that to me, the simplicity of that statement says, when we choose to look away and we don't look again, there's a price that's gonna get paid.
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SPEAKER_00: There's darkness that's going to target that.
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SPEAKER_00: I think too often I'm guilty of just seeing it as neutral, like, oh well, somebody else is gonna get that.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: And that idea of looking again, we can't pass by that.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: I think we've gotta stop seeing it as like this neutral thing.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: We can just yeah, it's it's an optional exercise.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: What do you think about that, Wes?
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SPEAKER_00: When you start thinking about like the villain of this, when we talk about trafficking, if we bring that kind of conversation back to that, and one of the things that brings us together here is that fight.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I think we think that the villain is like Yeah, they're just kind of like casually going through warfare.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: But there's such coordination that we're seeing on the other side of this fight.
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SPEAKER_00: Dare we say maybe is even better than what we're seeing in the church?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, many times it is.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that's fair to say.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely fair to say.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: We see it all the time, and it breaks my heart.
18:56
SPEAKER_02: That's why we have to adapt and we have to change.
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SPEAKER_02: And one of the quotes that's silly from I think it was Batman Begins, but it says, uh, I believe it's Bruce Wayne that says, people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy.
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SPEAKER_02: And so why this conversation, why this time together is so important is because sometimes people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy.
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SPEAKER_02: And we have to shake us as believers.
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SPEAKER_02: I need to be shaken out of apathy.
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SPEAKER_02: Because what apathy really means is a lack of passion or no passion.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, that's that's apathy.
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SPEAKER_02: And we have to be passionate believers, passionate about the cause of Christ, passionate about hurting people, not apathetic people that are someone else is gonna do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: I love something you said the other day.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: You talked about this idea of like, I don't want to live a balanced life.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: There's so much of that rage out there, it drives me nuts.
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it drives the entrepreneurs nuts, but I think the way you put perspective to that just really brought something to this.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: Can you unpack that for us?
19:58
SPEAKER_02: It's just something I've been convicted about for many years.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, you hear it a lot.
20:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, you have to balance all of these things.
20:04
SPEAKER_02: And um, sometimes I'm a questioner of things, and I'll respond, why?
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SPEAKER_02: Why do we have to live a balanced life?
20:13
SPEAKER_00: You're getting ready as a new parent.
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SPEAKER_00: You're getting ready for that why question coming at you.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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SPEAKER_02: But why do we need to?
20:20
SPEAKER_02: Then why do we want to?
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SPEAKER_02: When did that become idea to have a the the idea to have a balanced life?
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SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make sense to me.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I get there's some things in life that we we do need to balance, but at the end of our life, I'm hoping people wouldn't look and say, man, he really balanced it.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: I hope they would say, no, it was extreme.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: It was extreme for the cause of Christ.
20:45
SPEAKER_02: It was extreme in the love for his family.
20:48
SPEAKER_02: It was extreme for the call that he believed God had on his life.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: It was extreme for the most vulnerable.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't want it to be like weighed down.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I sort of had this calling, but I like these hobbies and then my family, and I had a balance between all of them.
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SPEAKER_02: I would look and I would say, man, how many things were just a waste?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, and I I just I don't want to live a balanced life.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I want to live an extreme life.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh and I don't know if that makes sense to everyone.
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SPEAKER_02: I I just think for me, the things that are most important, I want to be extreme for them.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well said.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: I I love that you'd also said something about this idea of not wanting to get to heaven well rested.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think tragically that's a lot of what we're sliding into.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: We're not leaving it all in the field, we're not leaving that last drop of gas in the tank, tread on the tires.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: We're showing up to the finish line well rested.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's a tragedy.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: And I want to shift to this, Wes.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: Like when we talk about like getting in the fight, we've often talked about mobilizing people, content, pastors, books.
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SPEAKER_00: The church, man, we're guilty sometimes of like, hey, we can do the think different part, but then the the build different.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: The do different, the get in the game different.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Man, there's like an imbalance in that.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: We like we get one piece without the other.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: What I love about what you guys are doing is you're bringing something new to the fight.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: Because people think about trafficking and they think survivor care, and that's needed.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: But talk about some of the ways that, like, how is Eagle?
22:18
SPEAKER_00: How is Freedom Fun?
22:19
SPEAKER_00: How is all this kind of coming to the fight in a new and unique way?
22:24
SPEAKER_01: I love the creative creativity of entrepreneurs.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: God is just deeply creative.
22:29
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people ask us like, how on earth do you make money fighting trafficking?
22:34
SPEAKER_01: Because we think of amazing nonprofits or we think of amazing law enforcement officers.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: We don't tend to think of this as a as the purview of Wall Street to fix a problem like this.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: But what we find is most helpful to pull in understanding from other counter-crime industries, actually.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: So think of the counter-identity theft industry, the counter-fraud industry, the counter-cybersecurity industry.
22:59
SPEAKER_01: And and we have familiarity with these industries that are making tens to hundreds of billions a year stopping a crime.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: And the the creativity to be able to say, well, why couldn't we do that for counter trafficking?
23:12
SPEAKER_01: There's once you start to open your eyes to it, you kind of can't unsee, like there becomes a moral imperative to create the industry of fighting human trafficking.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: And so with that first Eagle Freedom Fund, we had a chance to be part of seeding this emerging industry, and with the second one, a chance to really grow this emerging industry of counter trafficking.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: And I think to add on to that, something that's so important is we need every area.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: But the for-profit space can't be like, no, we're just for-profit.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: No, you can be for-profit and for purpose and for people.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: Like that can't happen.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: Like we have to have the church.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: The church is vital.
23:51
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: Right?
23:52
SPEAKER_02: It's God's plan.
23:54
SPEAKER_02: The church, vital.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: Nonprofits.
23:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm God's one.
23:58
SPEAKER_02: We love it.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: It is one of the biggest calls of my life.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
24:04
SPEAKER_02: I believe that it is vital in a lot of areas.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: We gotta have law enforcement, and so many are heroes.
24:09
SPEAKER_02: We gotta have an incredible area.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: We gotta have government.
24:12
SPEAKER_02: We gotta have policies and legislation.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: All of those.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: But so many of those were at we're trying to figure it out and grow, but really felt like the for-profit side is like that's not really our place.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: And that's one of the things that what Eagle has done that's so awesome is they stepped in and said, no, you can be a business, you can be an entrepreneur, you can be for-profit, but you also can make a radical difference at the same time.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: And it doesn't have to be an afterthought, it can actually be the first thought.
24:41
SPEAKER_02: What can inspire you is the problem, finding the solution.
24:45
SPEAKER_02: And then on top of that, yes, there can be an ROI that can be special, but when the mission comes first, like it's incredible to see what can happen.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: It certainly is.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: And I think that as you hit on this early, the size of the army that's needed to fight the size of this villain in the darkness that we're up against, for-profit can't be on the sidelines.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: You can't win the battle without it.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: You've got to get it.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: And I love what you're saying is like I think we're seeing this shift where people aren't like starting to create a venture with the why of money.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: There's a mission.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: And you're seeing this, I think, in the last, I don't know, three to five years, like the wave is starting to crest big enough that you're saying, no, this is really something that's happening.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: And I'm struck by that because the first time we filmed together, the first time we did stuff, like there were these different ideas.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: But there was a couple.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: But that whole room was full of stories.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: That whole room is full of things.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: And you love just seeing how it's spurring the creativity on with each other.
25:44
SPEAKER_00: What are some of the stories that like fire you up?
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Put practical nature to this, because people are hearing this, and I think that people hear trafficking, we're probably in this place where it's like, okay, I realize it's not over their thing.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: It's in my backyard, I've seen the data.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: But talk about the ways that the battle is being fought in our backyard all around us.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: One of the entrepreneurs that really inspires me is Ashley Chapman.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: She looked at in so many of our communities, we have, we hear these numbers that there's a ton of trafficking happening in our city.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: And my experience is often like, hey, I'm willing to go with you on that, but where are these?
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't see it.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: Where are these people?
26:22
SPEAKER_01: And so identification of where trafficking is happening is actually one of the most acute needs in the fight.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: And Ashley identified that frontline doctors and nurses are often just in a unique ability at place to be able to see right in front of them if they're trained.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, she shared some incredible data where 90% of the trafficking victims are at some point interacting with healthcare.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: And I think on average it's 15 to 18 times.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: 15 to 18 times.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: And before they're ever identified and brought out.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean in the the power of a for-profit mechanism that's able to scale.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: She's already trained 6,000 frontline doctors and nurses, and she's on track to train a million.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: Like she's she's literally doing uh national rollout with 5,000 hospitals, is is the rough plan right now, next year.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: I think what struck me about the conversation I had with her yesterday was the fact of like where those people are.
27:17
unknown: Yeah.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: Like again, people still think, oh, it's that neighborhood.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: But when she told the story of like, no, there's somebody in a vulnerable position, but they're not making enough money, their kids go to a private Christian school, but they're choosing this.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Or not they've chosen this a spiraling of things has gotten them into that place.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: And I think that just even hearing that of like these could be the parents, these could be the people at your school, it's such an eye-opening thing, but that it is sometimes that close to us.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it absolutely is.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: And just that type of entrepreneurial creativity to be able to find aspects of the problem, whether it's Ashley who saw that need, and it's actually a large market where continuing education is in the billions.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: It's not this people often they'll kind of be like, Well, how do you do this investing in counter trafficking?
28:08
SPEAKER_01: That's so small.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: But we've identified 15 different industrial verticals.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: It's a total of 500 million being spent on counter trafficking right now, growing at 44% per year.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: We think it's gonna be 5 billion by 2030.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: It can become a meaningful part of the fight against human trafficking.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: And it happens to be that it's really good investing to to kind of seed new industries, you know?
28:31
SPEAKER_01: So it's it goes hand in hand, and it's a little bit of a heart battle to um, we tend to bring one part of our like the the compassion that wells up when I'm listening to your story doesn't naturally connect to making money.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: Like just let's call a spade a spade.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: It's it's not connected in our hearts, and it's definitely not connected in our teaching, but to but God's creative creativity to bring the for-profit element is is so exciting to see it happen and really become part of something meaningful.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: Well, also let's think about it.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: Let's look at so many of the businesses out there that are really succeeding.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: Look at the opportunity that they have to do good.
29:12
SPEAKER_02: Now, what if some of the the companies that Eagle invests in and were able to help take the next steps?
29:20
SPEAKER_02: And what if in a year, two, four, seven, ten, what if some of those are in places of power and seats of influence?
29:31
SPEAKER_02: And now how much more can they do?
29:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right?
29:35
SPEAKER_02: Like in this fight, we gotta have the right people in the right seats at the right time, all working together with the right heart.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, and and then you get really excited, like, oh my gosh, like could you imagine if we had you know 10 of the top 50, you know, biggest companies out there, and they said, we want to do this for good.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, we want to leverage it for good.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like what starts to happen in society?
30:02
SPEAKER_02: What starts to happen?
30:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, I I just think there's a there's a compounding impact.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: There's a compounding impact.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: We've we've looked so often at like, oh, one of the you know wonders of the world is compounding interest.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: But when we talk about the compounding impact of this, to your point, and I just want to affirm a plot, just kind of as we were talking about that, is when people think about making money, what they miss is often is is like, well, actually, a lot of these monies, a lot of the people that are stewarding this capital, are saying, hey, how do we reinvest this to compound the money?
30:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's not just trying to make money, it's trying to make money matter.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: And it's trying to make time and energy and the strategy, all of it, matter.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: And and in all of the different lanes, but then the lanes are working side by side to propel one another, and now that group is continuing to work with each other, to propel one another, and you know, still we're in what feels like infancy, but growing.
30:59
SPEAKER_02: And what does it look like a year or two, three, four from now, where you have more people that are part of the team, part of the fight, churches, nonprofits, um, entrepreneurs, you know, all of these amazing people, and now you start to dream even bigger.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: Now that limited mindset, you know, um, when you come in, it's like, no, we we can take the next step because hope is so important, and we have to be able to provide that for one another in a time that sometimes feels super dark and overwhelming.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: But I feel like what Clapham's doing, what Eagle's doing, what we get to be a part of, is not just going after some of the hardest areas in the world, but it's also that we get to do it together.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I really do believe, yes, there's a weight, but then there's also a hope.
31:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: Like when you lock arms with one another, you feel stronger.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: You're not, but you feel that.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: But together you are.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: And I I just I I think if you ask a lot of people are part of it, I think you would I think a lot would say that or feel that.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, we talk often about just this idea of like, can we make this as exciting as being on your favorite sports team?
32:12
SPEAKER_00: And I'm reminded of a conversation we had recently with Matt Hasselbach, and he was talking about this idea of like when they chose as a family to invest and to give to something, they saw the impact of what it had.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: He's like, Man, put this versus being in the league and throwing a touchdown pass, I choose that.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: And he just you could see the face of the family and him and everybody lighting up in such a way I think it is possible, but we've got to tell those stories of wins.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Because in the darkness of it, we've got to cling to those hope.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: We've got to cling to that.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, it you're not gonna feel that contagious, I think, enthusiasm and momentum that that I think can be a key piece to that puzzle.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: Guys, I'm so encouraged by what you guys are doing.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, just so encouraged to see this.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: I love the team perspective.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: Just so encouraged with everything that's happening here.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: It's great to be with you guys.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Justin.
33:04
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