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Let's Talk About with Shanette W Johnson & Cornel Jackie Drummer 12/16/24 · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please. The
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  Speaker 1: show starts in ten nine eight, seven, six, five, four
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  Speaker 1: three two one.
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  Speaker 2: Cool.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Hello, and welcome to another episode of Let's Talk
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  Speaker 3: About It. I love that intro. Well, how you guys
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  Speaker 3: doing today? I hope you guys are doing very well.
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  Speaker 3: Today's topic that my co hosts and our special guests
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  Speaker 3: would be talking about. We will be talking about games.
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  Speaker 3: As you know that we're trying to figure out how
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  Speaker 3: can we help our young people stay out of prison
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  Speaker 3: and defer them from games? You know. But let me
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  Speaker 3: read you a little something. I'm trying to I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why every time I come on here, I have
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  Speaker 3: a little anxiety attack. But you know what, we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: pray over that because God didn't give me the mind
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  Speaker 3: of fear. He didn't give me that. And I'm offensive
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  Speaker 3: push through this and we fit to make it. Do
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  Speaker 3: what to do? So? I google gangs in America in
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  Speaker 3: the United States, and this is what the statistics said today,
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  Speaker 3: and it's coming from the FBI. The FBI estimate that
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  Speaker 3: there are over thirty three thousand violent gang members, motorcycles gangs,
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  Speaker 3: motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs in the United States. The
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  Speaker 3: Department of Justice estimate that there are at least twenty
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  Speaker 3: one thousand, five hundred games and more than seven hundred
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  Speaker 3: and thirty one thousand active gang members in the United States. Hmmm,
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  Speaker 3: before we go any further, I'm gonna end bring up
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  Speaker 3: my co host Cornell. Cornell, how are you doing on
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  Speaker 3: this evening?
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  Speaker 2: It's Casey now, okase he done?
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  Speaker 3: Pass the mic already over? Well, O Casey, how are
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  Speaker 3: you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just goodness, how you do it? I am think
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  Speaker 2: I want to tell you. I want to tell you
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  Speaker 2: as uh. Control is one of the things that the
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  Speaker 2: Bible talks about, and it deals with how to deal
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  Speaker 2: with anxiety. So it's also as a fear. But we
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  Speaker 2: know that we are not equipped to have here because
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  Speaker 2: we have Jesus in our life who gives us the
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  Speaker 2: orthoorgy to put fear in the back of. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: praying that God continued to give you the stress to overcome.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I don't know, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: just like every time I come on here, I just
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  Speaker 3: get this feeling in my stomach and you know, I
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  Speaker 3: just basically with me, I just basically want my voice
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  Speaker 3: to be heard, because this is a subject talk talking.
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  Speaker 3: Being a voice for the voiceless, for the men and
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  Speaker 3: the women that's currently imprisoned on wrong for conviction is
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  Speaker 3: a very tough subject, you know, and I really want
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that my voice is heard because I'm
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  Speaker 3: very compassionate about this. I just truly believe that should
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  Speaker 3: know person be in prison wrongfully for something that they
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  Speaker 3: didn't do, and you guys as giving them given the
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  Speaker 3: States back the law and the law, and the States
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  Speaker 3: is throwing it back like oh no, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: they don't want to hear it. So, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: very compassionate about that, and I just want my voice
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  Speaker 3: to be heard. I just want people to begin to
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  Speaker 3: stand up and to be a voice and say no more,
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  Speaker 3: no more. What we allow the system to incorporate to
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  Speaker 3: incarceerrate men and women on wrong for conviction are making
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  Speaker 3: them plead to something that they didn't do to give
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  Speaker 3: them a lesser sentence.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So That's where I'm at with that, But that's not
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  Speaker 3: our subject today. We probably do touch on that.
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  Speaker 2: You need to well.
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  Speaker 3: Come on in, let's talk about it then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's talk what you want to talk about let's talk
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  Speaker 3: me and my and my cow horse Cornell. We had
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  Speaker 3: touched on game. Let's let's let's talk me and you.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and talk what you want to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to talk about you want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about the biggest gangs in America or the
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  Speaker 2: biggest suctumatican Let's talk about the BA Department, Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about the Coverley defense attorneys. Let's talk about all that.
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  Speaker 2: Because when you when you have individuals that you say
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  Speaker 2: are wrongly convicted, and when you have a system that
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  Speaker 2: only goes on to the percentage of winning and losing,
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  Speaker 2: because it's really not about the law, because they subvert
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  Speaker 2: the law, they subvert the constitutional rights, and they gonna
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  Speaker 2: tell you they don't give you the information on how
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  Speaker 2: to be able to defend yourself in the venues of
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  Speaker 2: the course system. They tell you that ignorance is nine
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  Speaker 2: tenths of the law. But if you don't know anything
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  Speaker 2: about the law, and you don't know anything about how
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  Speaker 2: to interpret the law, you're gonna be gobbled up by
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  Speaker 2: the law. They gonna they gonna treat you like child,
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  Speaker 2: or they're gonna teat you like fetter and they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: grind you up and make pish way out of dog
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  Speaker 2: food out of That's what the system does. Sleep And
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  Speaker 2: when you have individuals who heightened the conviction, like I've
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  Speaker 2: been fighting for fifteen years on my been giving me
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  Speaker 2: an attorney who wasn't even part of the attorney process
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  Speaker 2: to be selected to be my attorney. I had a
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  Speaker 2: volume they gave me just what the lawye that I
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  Speaker 2: had was assigned to me. Then it was Berto and
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  Speaker 2: brutieris junior. He was assigned to Mere sent me. He
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  Speaker 2: told me that if I choose, if I chose the
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  Speaker 2: pleae argument, that you can give me twenty five years.
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  Speaker 2: That was a consideration that I wanted to do. However,
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  Speaker 2: this other attorney came after I filed an agreement with
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  Speaker 2: mister Berto could just to defend me. This other attorney
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  Speaker 2: taking to see me, Charles J. Bump and this attorney
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  Speaker 2: told me that after I told him that I had
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  Speaker 2: a lawyer already represented, he told me that I was
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  Speaker 2: not going to see that lawyer again. And he's a one
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars lawyer that I'm getting for free. That
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  Speaker 2: the other attorney couldn't do for me. What he could
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  Speaker 2: do for me in the courtroom, that the two prosecutors
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  Speaker 2: prosecuted in my case, that he taught them their job.
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  Speaker 2: That that uh, that that they were personal friends of his,
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  Speaker 2: and the judge was a personal friend of his as well.
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  Speaker 2: What happened. I've never seen my attorney again, mister bertual
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  Speaker 2: good hear. Uh. There was supposed to be a withdrawal
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  Speaker 2: and a substitution emotion done in order for his lawyer
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  Speaker 2: to be able to represent me. They passed all the
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  Speaker 2: rules and regulations and pocracy that governing the court as
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  Speaker 2: far as the uh the inenigent defense public defense attorney
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  Speaker 2: process on how they select and supposed to be represented
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  Speaker 2: an individually. So they passed the law and they gave
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  Speaker 2: me this lawyer. Once he started representing me, he never
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  Speaker 2: followed any of the proceasures. He never investigated my case.
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  Speaker 2: I had a cage where I tried to do suici
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  Speaker 2: and I by contact after I shot myself in.
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  Speaker 3: His friends for.
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  Speaker 2: Were gang members.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's let's let's let's let me jump in right quick.
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  Speaker 3: Because you said something something that I wanted. You said,
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  Speaker 3: You've never seen your lawyer again, Never.
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  Speaker 2: Seen him again, never heard from him, and still to
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  Speaker 2: this day, he's still attached to my case because he
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  Speaker 2: never signed a withdrawal to be replaced. He never did
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  Speaker 2: nothing to be replaced for my case. This other lawyers
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  Speaker 2: just took over my case, and that's a violation of
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  Speaker 2: the ethics of the of the attorney's client privilege. Once
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  Speaker 2: I told him I had an attorney, he was not
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  Speaker 2: to come to talk to me.
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  Speaker 3: So where did that the second attorney come from? Did
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  Speaker 3: it come from the courts or was you paying for.
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  Speaker 2: He was assigned to me by the court. It's the judge.
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  Speaker 2: The judge design them to represent me. But this is
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  Speaker 2: the crazy part mission that I went into the courtroom
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  Speaker 2: to to be able to get to the attorney. I
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  Speaker 2: told him that bout emotion that I put together that
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  Speaker 2: I needed to end the defense attorney. So when when
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  Speaker 2: I was in the courtroom, because they called me out
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  Speaker 2: after hours the court was court, I was like five
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  Speaker 2: point thirty. I went into the courtroom about sixty o'clock
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  Speaker 2: in the evening. Now the court supposed to be closed
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  Speaker 2: at five o'clock, but I'm in there. They have the DA,
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  Speaker 2: this other the attorney, and the judge. So this this
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  Speaker 2: attorney I've been recognized them at furious so they telling
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  Speaker 2: me that I listened to him talk they talking about that,
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  Speaker 2: they that they're going to start me off for forty years.
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  Speaker 2: And this other lady was telling her that they can't
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  Speaker 2: do that. My cases, my prior cases that were too old.
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  Speaker 2: They were twenty four years old, and they couldn't use them,
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  Speaker 2: and she said she still.
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  Speaker 3: Was going to use it.
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  Speaker 2: Then she called this lawyer, Hey, hey, Charles, come here now,
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  Speaker 2: Charles Bunk. Then the lawyer today that the Gens gave
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  Speaker 2: me after they had gave me this other lawyer, but
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  Speaker 2: he was in there seditioning them advice on how to
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  Speaker 2: fight my case. When she started telling them what she
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  Speaker 2: was going to do, he stacifically told her, that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what I would do, but I would also do this,
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  Speaker 2: and then you would be whisper it in something else
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  Speaker 2: to her telling her what she should do in my case.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't recognize. You can't realize at this particular
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  Speaker 2: time that I should have been psychologically evaluated because I
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  Speaker 2: was still dealing with the traumatic event of having to
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  Speaker 2: shoot my steps, So this whole thing my mind was
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  Speaker 2: not there. I was under I was under psychological evaluations.
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  Speaker 2: From the county deal. They were giving me the anxiety
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  Speaker 2: medicine in or to cope with the incident himself from
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  Speaker 2: what had happened. But I was never psychologically evaluated for
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  Speaker 2: another incident. But I recognized this lawyer from the blazer
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  Speaker 2: that he bore doing my senitive herement. And then when
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  Speaker 2: I asked him, like, hey, you gave him advice on
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  Speaker 2: how to fight my case, he said I'm allowed to
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  Speaker 2: do that. I said, no, that's a conflict dimension. How
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  Speaker 2: can you give that advice? Want to fight my case?
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  Speaker 2: And then he represented me and he talked about he
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  Speaker 2: still but I was so dumb. Finally, and then I
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  Speaker 2: was still, I was not my full self.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to jump in because you and I
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  Speaker 3: know probably everybody want to know as well. The judge
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  Speaker 3: allowed them even though he wasn't working on your case.
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  Speaker 3: The judge allowed him to give him advice about your case.
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  Speaker 2: At that time there he was not a fidy eate
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  Speaker 2: associated with my case. And he was given the Daging
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  Speaker 2: department if I somehow they should go proceed on prosecuting
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  Speaker 2: my case.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so wait a minute, wait a minute, now you
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  Speaker 3: don't now confuse So the lawyer you said, what was
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  Speaker 3: his name, Charles.
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  Speaker 2: Charles Bark. He was helping I got all the paperwork.
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  Speaker 3: He was helping the DA. He was giving him advice.
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  Speaker 3: And your current.
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  Speaker 2: Lawyer, No, my current I didn't have a lawyer at
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  Speaker 2: the time. I didn't get a lawyer until probably about
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  Speaker 2: a whisk or two later after I wanted to the
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  Speaker 2: court room to asking for a lawyer. A week later,
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  Speaker 2: I got a lawyer. That was like on the thirteenth
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  Speaker 2: of January twenty ten. Twenty first they gave me a lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: twenty first, the twenty second, the twenty second of January,
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  Speaker 2: I got a lawyer. He came to visit me in
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  Speaker 2: the county jail. I signed a contract with him. His
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  Speaker 2: name of A. Berto Gutrey. This other one became a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days ays later after I talked to his
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  Speaker 2: lawyers and boy, he told me he can give me
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  Speaker 2: twenty five years without people argain. I've never seen that
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  Speaker 2: lawyer again. But when I had this lawyer, so Bump,
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  Speaker 2: he used the state file, state evident and the state
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  Speaker 2: witnesses to fight my case. He never got me psychologic evaluating,
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  Speaker 2: which he should have done under this under the situation
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  Speaker 2: that had happened. He never investigated my case. He he
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  Speaker 2: also allowed witnesses to be swowing in without giving me
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  Speaker 2: export expert witness to computing me. What he told me
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  Speaker 2: was when I asked him about getting airport because they
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  Speaker 2: swore in a squad officer to be an ex preak
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  Speaker 2: witness on ballistic. He's not a ballistic as the swat officer.
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  Speaker 2: That's whether it's Sharon time. But he was sworn in
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  Speaker 2: as an X ray witness against me. This spot, this shot,
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  Speaker 2: this spot, the spot officer was shot by me. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I know he was just behind me. That this is
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  Speaker 2: one of the things when that happened, and and uh
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  Speaker 2: when they when they had the same officer and Groom
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  Speaker 2: was the witness for the state against me. He sworn
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  Speaker 2: in against me, and I asked him about getting me
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  Speaker 2: an expert witness. He didn't want to. He said that
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  Speaker 2: did I have money? Say you have money? Do you
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  Speaker 2: have twenty five thousand dollars for explain witness? Now? He said,
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  Speaker 2: the state doesn't need it. And that's just one of
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  Speaker 2: the thing.
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  Speaker 3: He said, Okay, you know I want to jump in
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  Speaker 3: because you don't. You don't, Brian, that you shot a
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  Speaker 3: swat uh huh A swat officer is stuff? Do you
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  Speaker 3: feel Do you feel comfortable and taking us to the
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  Speaker 3: beginning to how we got to court or do you
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  Speaker 3: just want to stay with what's in what into the proceedings?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: take it through it because I'm not I'm not afraid
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  Speaker 2: to say anything about that. Because I have responsibility what
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  Speaker 2: happened with me and everything. That's the point of forgettness,
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  Speaker 2: that's the point of of healings, my my healing that
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  Speaker 2: I had to go through that. I have to feel accountable.
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  Speaker 2: I have to be responsible for what I've done. And
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  Speaker 2: it was an intention. What ha happened was the officer
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  Speaker 2: was hiding across the street in a in a bush.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know he was in his bush. Just fix
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  Speaker 2: the time there was there was officers to the left
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  Speaker 2: and the right in front of my house, in front
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  Speaker 2: of my truck. I'm in the window. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: do suicide by top. I shoot out the window, and
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  Speaker 2: in this bush, hiding in this bush was an officer.
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  Speaker 2: I shot in a downward most in motion, but I
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  Speaker 2: shot with a shotgun and the two of the pellants
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  Speaker 2: from the shotgun hit the officer in the shind He
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  Speaker 2: said he pulled him out. He said he felt it
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  Speaker 2: because he pulled him out. But I didn't know he
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  Speaker 2: was inside of the bush hiding. But he said he
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  Speaker 2: was doing He was trying to get a clear shot
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  Speaker 2: to be able to shoot me, and that's what I
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  Speaker 2: was basically trying to do anyway, But I had no
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  Speaker 2: idea that he was hiding in the bush. At that
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  Speaker 2: particular time. After they instant that, my stepsong this I was,
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  Speaker 2: my stepson was in front of my house. Hist friend
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  Speaker 2: was in my driveway. My steps was saying that he
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  Speaker 2: was gonna shoot me. He was going to kill me
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  Speaker 2: as he was pointing the gun. After his friend ran
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  Speaker 2: up the driveway and tried to pull out his gun
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  Speaker 2: because he was pulling out in front of the driveway.
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  Speaker 2: In my mind, I knew that I had to protect myself.
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  Speaker 2: My mom was telling me to kill him because I
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  Speaker 2: took self defense classes on shooting my shooting gun. But
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to do that because I knew this
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  Speaker 2: guy's family. So I shot him in his hand and
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  Speaker 2: it's all was shotgun. I had a shotgun. I shot
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  Speaker 2: him in his hand, trying to shoot the gun, keep
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  Speaker 2: it down, because I know if I shoot him first,
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  Speaker 2: because he's more active in the game than my steps,
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  Speaker 2: my steps, he just he's friends with him, so they
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  Speaker 2: feel like that, okay, he could be down with us.
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  Speaker 2: And he's never done anything to be a partner of
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  Speaker 2: utiliating in a game like that. If he was in college.
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  Speaker 2: And but these guys and some guys he grew up
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  Speaker 2: with that he was the city that he was, that
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  Speaker 2: all had to gain them. So when my steps see
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  Speaker 2: me shoot him, my thing was, I said, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: shoot him in the hand because I had it in
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  Speaker 2: my mind where I was gonna do it if I
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  Speaker 2: had to do this, shoot shoot shoot the first guy first,
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  Speaker 2: because I knew that he was more dangerous than my
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  Speaker 2: step song, because I knew if I shoot him and
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  Speaker 2: my stepson was coming freeze steps on froze just like
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was. And I shot him in the
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  Speaker 2: home and trying to knock the gun out, so he
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  Speaker 2: take off run across the street. My neighbor, who him
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  Speaker 2: as an empty police officer, seen the whole incident. He
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  Speaker 2: heard the whole incident statement some of them and everything
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  Speaker 2: he said that he heard my my my step song
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  Speaker 2: said that he was gonna shoot me. He was going
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  Speaker 2: to kill me. And then he seen the little sharp
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  Speaker 2: guy went up at me and and and he seen
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  Speaker 2: him go down. I shot him prayers. Then he seen
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  Speaker 2: me shoot my steps on. So I'm I went in
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  Speaker 2: the house to start and I started drinking, trying to
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  Speaker 2: calm myself. But I said that I had already decided that.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna gone into suicide o'clock because I
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  Speaker 2: can't look like this. I don't want to make it
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  Speaker 2: fit in my mind. Let everybody down.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna intervene once again. Wow. That that that that
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  Speaker 3: that was a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: That's That's all I can say is wild your you
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  Speaker 3: and your son, you and your stepson relationship, How was
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  Speaker 3: it before this? Because you you said that he was
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  Speaker 3: in he was in college and then he just hooked
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  Speaker 3: up with the wrong with the wrong crowd. From from
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  Speaker 3: what I was listening to, it's just like maybe did
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  Speaker 3: he want to feel like he wanted to fit in
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  Speaker 3: or what why he started hanging out with these guys first?
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  Speaker 3: Just I just want to know how was your relationship first?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I heard, I mean I treated him like
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  Speaker 2: he was my son. I really didn't it and me
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  Speaker 2: and how that means, you know, just to have to
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  Speaker 2: even do that, but it really exactly in the traumatized state.
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  Speaker 2: H and I I remember everything that we talk about.
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  Speaker 2: H and it's man, it was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I can hear it in. I can hear it in.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I can hear it in your voice as well.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Why.
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  Speaker 3: And then you said that you know, I'm it's just
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: like seeing you said, seeing your your stepson and his
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: friend out there crying that it did something to you.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So you just felt like you just wanted to end,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: did you? I mean did you? You didn't think about
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: shooting yourself. You just want wanted to You just wanted
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the police to.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: So once once, once that incident happened outside, I came inside.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I looked at it because then I started with my
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: my my now ex wife. Uh I found out that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: she was cheatingumber because the guy called me on my
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: job telling me that this is the guy that he
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: was metsed with with her furst husband telling me that
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he's still up there and dad, he's still was on
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  Speaker 2: that floor. Me not nothing to do about it, and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: he could sugar my gas paying that's my truck up
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: like you know, doing something. He's like a guy that
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: was and I wanted to be with my wife. You know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I love with my wife. And when I found out
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: this guy called me on my job while I was
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: at Murt telling me this stuff, I was or set.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Then my wife had an argument about it at home,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and then when we had to argue about it, she
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: pulled her knife on me. I took martial arts trained.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I boxed her putting a knife on me. I was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: not threadning about it. I was able to take it
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: from her. When I took it from her, she was
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: telling me that she she'll call on him and set
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: him up, that I can kill him if I want to.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to kill him. I don't want to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: do nothing like that. While me and her arguing, my
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: stepdaughter here the argument, I called her my brother come
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: over there with his train. While we was in the house.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: We get into an argument. They grabbed my pools, picked
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: off my food table, and I ended up I knocked him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I knocked two of them because, like I said, I
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: took Type and our box, my box growing up, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I took Type one dough so I was able to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: get out the house. I ran out the house because
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: my my thick onom door was locked. I threw a
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: walked through my bedroom door, jumped through my window, grabbed
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: my shotgun, and came outside. My wife ran my step
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: son and his friend. They were saying that they was
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: gonna kill me stuff in house. I was like, you
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: ain't gonna do nothing. You ain't gona shoot nobody. You
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: ain't gonna do nothing, because I wasn't scared of him.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I ain't doing that because I didn't think peopuld do
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: anything like that. Son said, man, you ain't gonna shoot nothing.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: You ain't gonna do nothing. Mark to put that glugs
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: down and then like kill me. Knowing that thing, I'm like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you ain't gonna killed nothing, and I walked away from him,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: turned up back to him as he had done. But
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I wasn't scared of him. I don't know why. I
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like that he was gonna shoot me. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I went out. Seeing my wife went out the back door.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: She ran through the state. I locked the back door.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I come back through. I walked outside. My stepson was
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in my neighbor's front yard. His friend was in our driveway,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and that incident happening as I told you, so when
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I came back inside, I just decided, I said, well,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I started drinking. I topped the bottle Calevardier a lead
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the bottle, started drinking jose a quibble right there, some
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: spirit of rocker drank that for a viking in, popped
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: for a viking in, And I decided I was gonna
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: let the police shoot me. I was gonna known it myself,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: so I felt like that I was gonna be able
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to see it, and I decided to do suicide by cop.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That was my intention. But during that incident and how
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it happened, because the officer said that they was trying
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to get in a tactical position to be able to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: shoot me, I had no idea that they was out there.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Because I got a left included offense on the officer
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: that I got shot by me. I got y contact
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: with the firearm which theady comment would fire on them.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Is only two to ten years. But because when I
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: was in my youth doing speaker stuff, I've been in
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: prison twice. Did enhanced my the enhancement case to howbitual
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: be an offender, so I got more time for it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I went to case I went to child on seven
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: offenses at that time, and I went to a cheery tribe.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: The jury tribe count me guilty for concluded offense, not
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: knowing first degree offense, but a less include offense. But
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: because I've been a prison before, they say they gave
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: me fifty years and my cases were twenty four years old.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I changed my life. I had a good job working
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: at the Santatony. Internationally, I bought, I worked for entertaining,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I worked for those ariz and I you know, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: had my passport, I traveled, I go get my time
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in North Carolina, you know every summer. You know, that's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: what I was doing. I didn't coming back to prison again.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: So you were just basically putting your life back in order,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: living the light of your life the way that you
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: were supposed to live it until this, until you got
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: that call from.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: The other land from yeah, from another man, it's all in.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And you know, I guess people feel like that that
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: that a man wha is supposed to have emotions are
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: supposed to be separated. Times like that. I loved my wife,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That's all they was. I loved it. I wanted to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: try to make our manners work but I knew she
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: was cheating on me. I mean, what man would know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I knew she was doing the things she was doing,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: but I tried to be one minute lest I tried
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to do the things accordingly to what you know, the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: father said, trying to save.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: My marriage, understanding that. You know, I just heard that
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: we have one minute. So you know what, Casey, You're
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: gonna have to come back and talk to me again,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: because this conversation is not over.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And I know when.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: It's definitely not over, because I know that the listening
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: lady is some of them are gonna have questions and
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: they gonna ask me, you know, to ask you questions.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: So you definitely, you definitely gonna have to come back
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: because we got a lot to talk about.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll be waiting on Cornel to call me back.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: But thank you once again. I'm gonna reach out to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: you again later probably later on this week.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be fine. That's been fined. And and like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I said, my life is open book. I'm a change man,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I'm a god man. And thank you for using thank
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  Speaker 2: killing that could you welcome.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: And November In December, at the end of the Civil War,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Southern states took control of the large populations of community people,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: laws were passed authorizing in the arrest and jailing of blacks.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: These laws became known as black coaches. They typically applied
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: only blacks and criminalized acts that were not offenses.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: When committed by price.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: On November twenty fourth, eighteen sixty five, Mississippi passed a
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Black Code declaring that all freedmen, free negroes, and mulattoes
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: found without proof of employment or found unlawfully assembling themselves
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: would owe up to fifty dollars in fines and serve
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: up to ten days in jail. As a result of
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Black Codes, the post Civil War era brought American black
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: citizens more contact with the criminal courts and prison systems
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: than ever before. As the former Confederacy learned to use
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: the criminal justice system as a tool of racial control,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: countless Black men, women, and children were convicted and sentenced
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: under unjust laws that criminalized them for existing as free
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  Speaker 4: black cident.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, I am Schanette Johnson. I am honored to be
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: among the one hundred authors on the Rise. I have
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  Speaker 3: had the privilege of co arthuring in sees of immortality
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  Speaker 3: footprints in is sent the time and Eternal Echo. Currently,
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  Speaker 3: I am working on my first anthology and title, from
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  Speaker 3: Grief to Glory, in honor of my son who transitioned
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  Speaker 3: on last year. I'm looking for co authors who have
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I am Shanette Johnson. I am honored to be a monk.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I am honored to be well. Hello, and thank you
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: for tuning in to let's talk about it. I was
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: just sitting here waiting on Canal to call me back,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: but he hadn't called back, and I was going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: talk to you guys about what I'm going to do,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: what's ahead for me in twenty twenty five. Angela just
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: paid I am part of this is Cornell calling. I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: am among ninety nine authors that's on a rise, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: it's a privilege because I didn't know that I had
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: that in me until my son transitioned and I begin
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: to write. So I want to say this real quick
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: recall Presh too, thank you for using Dave. There's no excuses,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: no excuses for me. I'm going to work my bring
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: out my full purpose. I'm going to walk in my purpose,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: my destiny that God has outline for me. And Angela
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and the ladies from the Crew podcast. Each one of
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: them is pulling it out of me. I watched them
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: and they don't know how much I love them, you know.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And I thank you ladies for in there. You know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: even though some of them I haven't met some of
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: them personally, just seeing them on the screen and talking
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: to them through that way. But I just want to say,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: you guys, hold on because I'm telling you twenty twenty five,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I am not giving no excuses. I'm getting ready to
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  Speaker 3: use my voice. You guys fins to see a new person.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Just watch and believe the anxiety. I'm gonna get over
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  Speaker 3: the anxiety, you know, and just watch.
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  Speaker 2: Just sit back.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, you think the how old I'm fifty four?
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: You think them chapters? What something? Wait till you see
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  Speaker 3: these chapters that's coming. Oh I'm sins to blow your mind.
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  Speaker 3: You watch, But I have my cohorts on with me.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: A Cornell.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Hello, ma'am.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Oh you laughing at you? Laugh ma'am.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I'm just laughing because I can see how you fried
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. You catting what to expect from you from
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five or guess what you would stay this here? Man?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: One thing about you, man, you are very competitive. You
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: don't have an our spoken person who gets what we're
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: going to endure in twenty twenty five. Jorgy, now four, man,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be all right?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I mean just I mean, I'm just so
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: excited for twenty twenty five. You know, I mean to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: be among ninety nine authors that I never thought I
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: have written in three and anthologies and I'm getting ready
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: to write my first anthology with the help of and
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  Speaker 3: Your Love.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, man, Okay, but then we're.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Doing some new things, but we're gonna talk about that later.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: But we're finned to get back into our subject. Casey
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: just blew me away, brother, Casey just really just blew
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: me out of the box.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, think y'all for for for having me on
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the Night Show. My name is Cornell Drummer. I'm a
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Texas president four years and I think it's become up
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: justice reform. I'm the founder of the pre Text campaign. Tonight,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'm the co host of tonight show Let's Talk About
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and tonight we're talking about gang violence in America and
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: what they're saying for and how can we educate our
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: kids not to get involved in games but just to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: mine is because this is a very dramatic and touchy subject.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying about how our kids have
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: been braaining Washington getting involved in these games, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to ninth show. It's basically about you know, education about
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you know, come mouty about applicacy, about know in parenting
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: our government to do better, you know, by our kids,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: by these programs, and you know, to try to help
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: our kids to try to prevent them from you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: getting involved in games. Because I can say that for
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the plan three or fourth decades, we have witnessed the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: turn walls that gang violence has caused us kids and
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: people that didn't kill people are killing themselves by ping
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: violence to drive by shootings and and and you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: just just killing themselves just because of a color, or
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: just kill themselves because of being the nitty related that
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: rapping music are or the encouragement of from blame blaming
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a car or something to that nature. But when when
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: really talking about this, how do we allow our kids
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: to get involved in these drugs and these gangs and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: drugs and stuff like this. So really tonight show is
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: basically about game in America, where it comes from, how
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to gets started, and how do we medicate our kids
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: not to get involved, So that anyone have an opinion
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: or if anyone have anything that they want to share
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: about you know, games and about gang violence, about you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: how they kids became a part of gang violence and
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: ask questions about what can we do as a family
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: members that mothers and fathers and not only that, but uh,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: gang members and influences takes that kids not to get
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: it out of games. So tonight's so it's basically about
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: games and Americans. So, missus Chanette, did you have anything
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: that you would like to ax me that?
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I just believe that a lot of parents,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: well I'm gonna speak for myself, a lot of us
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: do love our children and we are there and we
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: give more than we should give to our children, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: some of them just want a little more. They you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: you have mothers that you have single mothers that just
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: doing the best that they can.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: You have.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: A household that's doing the best that they can, but
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you also have a child that have their own mind.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: You can tell them that, hey, this is what this,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: this is how this is going to run. But then
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: once they go outside of your home, outside of the home,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: when you're not around, then they are a different person.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: So how can I put this? Like with Kyle, I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: gonna take my son because you know, with him, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: kept I kept my son sheltered for that reason because
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I didn't want him to get affiliated into the games.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't. I wanted him. I wanted more from him,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: you know, So I kept him. I kept him in
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the yard. You know, I kept really like a really
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: strict late show. But as he got older, then it
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: seemed like and I'm working.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: More and doing more.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: So my focus was not on him like it was
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: when he was coming up, but it was on paying
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: making sure that I'm able to pay my bills and stuff.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: So he did begin to slip out of my hands.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: And once he did, did he knew how far to
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: go with me. He wouldn't but he would stop once
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: he got to the edge.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so can I attitude did you feel that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: an environment a neggave environment or did you feel that,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: you know, guys who was out there in the in
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the in the neighborhood and the protect and I ever
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: in the in the in the community and the rap
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: music and the drugs, the blame, blame clause and stuff.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Did you think that the media played the roles and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: kids today are being you know, getting involved with games
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the media.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: No, not so much. I just think it's probably some
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: of them like the in the environment of what they're
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: what they see, you know, That's what I think.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: The music, Yeah, you know, it's different from when we
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: was coming up because you didn't have so much of
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: the the violence and that you know that we hear now.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: You didn't have so much of the the degrading of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the of the women. Especially to me, it was to
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: me it's more like the black women, you know, the degrading,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: you know, you don't when we as coming up, you
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of the flashiness. They probably did,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: but you know from I don't see it like they
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: see like they have it now, you know. So mainly
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: when we was coming up, we had programs that we
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: was able to to participate in right now these kids,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: doesn't they don't have the program. They always saying his
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: lack of finding Well, where where is the finding that
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: if you know, the lottery and all of this other stuff,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: where where's the funding to save our children?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Okay? Okay? So with that being said, like you're educating
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: that your community can do better, you know, when the
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: government is staying that they don't have the fund to
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: provide these financial services, would you say that your community,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you know, churches and community advocates and stuff, and you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: fathers and mothers can do that about them kids start
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: trying to encourage them to anticipate in part of the programs.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe. So you know, I can only speak
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: for myself. I know I would encourage my uh my kids.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I would tell them, hey, you can compete with the best.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: You know, don't don't never downplay what you can ain't
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: do even though you know I feel you know, it's
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: a different when it for me. But what I put
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: into my kids, you know, I gave them, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I pushed them. You know, Kyo when he got into
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: high school, he used to ditch you know, so I'm
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: driving school buses and I was like, you know, I
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: made sure I drove that bus by that school every day,
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: and every time I seen Kyle, he you know, I
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: know him. Every time I seen him, I would call
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the school. I would call the school and I would
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: tell him, Hey, you got a group of kids over
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: here at the liquor store or something. I seen him
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: on the bus stop one day, boy, and I pulled
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: up and I opened the door. I said, where are
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: you going? You need to get on back over there
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: to school. So the more I made my presence known,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: you know, his little so called friends that he was
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: hanging out with, they separated, They separated away from him
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: because they knew, Hey, your mama gonna call the school,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: she gonna do this.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I was doing everything because I wanted the best for
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: my child. And I know there's other parents out there
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: that in the community they want them. That's all we
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: want as African American parents and Hispanic parents, and we
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: just want the best for our children. But the programs
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: are not there. They are taking more money from us
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: from out of the community, and they're putting them in
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: the prison systems to put our kids in there.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, So as a parent, non uh experience, you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the loss of life or child or you know mothers
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you know, excluding their kids, the prison life and stuff
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: like that. As a parent, man, uh, in one opinion,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: what did you think if you have a message to
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: give to the government, what would you say to the government?
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Repeat that, repeat that question again.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, then a mother, then a mother you know, to
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: have a loss of a child to gang violence or
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: you know these you know, uh, what would you tell
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the government or which you had a message, what would
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: you say for the government for the loss of funds
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to provide programs and you know, better education our schools,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: our teachers or whatever for their kids to try to
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: encourage them to do better. What would you say if
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you had a message?
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't, uh. I don't lose a
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: child to gang violence. My son trying to he had
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: a heart condition, congestion, heart failure, and he passed in
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: his sleep. So I don't know that pain of losing
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: a child to gain violence. But I stand in solidarity
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: with them women because and fathers, because I had aunties
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that lost cut that lost sons, you know, So I
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: know it as a losing family members, I know it
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: that way. But I would tell them that if they
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: want to see a change in our community. Give us back,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: you know, start, don't We were working, so we worked
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: so hard. Number one. Number two, our black men have
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: a target on their backs. Where there's from the black men,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: black on black crime, Hispanic whites. No, it's like all
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: nationality is. You know, you've got the daggers. They got
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the daggers in their back. We need more funding for education.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: We need to educate our children. We need to help.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: We need to be there for our children. We need
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I mean they said that, they said that the household,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: a mother and a father needs to be together. Some
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: a strong mother. I don't see some wrong women raise
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: some some good men. And I don't seen some strong
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: men raise some strong men, you know. So it's all
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: about you know, it's just I'm trying to find my
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: words because I want to say it right because I
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: grew up and in Compton, but I wasn't We wasn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: allowed to run in the play in the streets.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Are We was.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Home to school, school, to whatever practice that we was
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: going to be doing, and to church. That that was
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: our program, that was our that was our programming system.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And we also participate in the LA Sheriff the l
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: A Sheriff had a program doing the summer for summer employment.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: They need to bring back summer employments because as we
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: see it now that the fast food pro jobs are
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: going to not the the children, not the people, not
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the young adults. I'm gonna put it like that, it's
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: not going to them, which I believe that fast foods
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: should be where they have a.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Lease a.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Jump start of earning money, because if they're not earning money,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: if they're not making money the legal way, then they're
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: gonna go and start getting it the illegal way, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: then they gonna find theyself in prison. So you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: we got to we got to look at the jobs.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: We got to look at education. We got to look
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: at communication the parents. As parents, we need to communicate
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: with our with our children. We need to communicate with
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: the teachers too, you know, to see where what's going on.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: We shouldn't It shouldn't be a break nowhere. It shouldn't
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: We shouldn't break that that change should not be broken.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: We should just be like communication. You know, it's just
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: so much I need, I want. I'm trying to get
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: it together.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: But you know, well, man, you have spoken and you
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: are saying that exactly the same way. In my opinion, man, Okay,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: we do need more governments because if you get some
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to kids to be able to participate in time of
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: their programs, now they were to want to learn. You know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: once you once you show a child, you know what
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, the right way of life, a child participate
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: in the right way of life. But once a child
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: get outside of the household, and it's not the middle folks,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: because you have to like you say, great mothers raising
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: their kids to become great sons. But once a child
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: is caught up and and to the negative environment of
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: participating with a child who was involved in gangs, the
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: kids become a part of that their life that they
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: they embrace that negativity because the mother's not there to
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: the current coming not to do you know, not to
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: get involved with it, you know, because you know and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: if you do how mothers are doing it, you know
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: they can't all their kids to they don't, So the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: kid's going to become products of an environment. Man, that's negative.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: But we do need more input from fathers. We need
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: input from family members, We need input from the government,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: We need input from advocates, churches, we need input from
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: everybody to they between courage these kids not to get
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: involved in to be negative. Me an example, Man, I
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: grew up in the poverty neighborhood. In all amount of
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: life now I have been around and even though I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: find myselfing out being a bad guy, it's just the
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: choices that I made because of the fact that I
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: grew I grew up in a negative environment. But it's
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: not the Vioma to blame. It's my choice has to
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: blame because I could have made positive choices, had out
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: there and talked the right way to make those positive choices.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: And I had somebody to be and couldn't down to
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: encourage me to go to school, to to to do something,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: to learn more, to get a job. I wouldn't be
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: in prison today. Man, So you got I gonna found
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: myself being a bad guy.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Right, So let me read what Black Diamond had to say.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: And this is so true. You know, back in school,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: we had economic we had woodshop, we had auto mechanics,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: we had they had the nursing pro ground. They had
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: so like life skills train in schools where you don't
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: find that no more, that's right, you don't find it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: But cooking and sewing class, because you know, I have
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: sowing classes and I had swing class, and I made
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: my prom dress. Don't we laughing you? But I had
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: my prom dress.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like the idea that you made
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: your own dress. So that made you come out of yourself.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: So this is basically what we're trying to say, you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: through incentives, you know, through programs and stuff like what
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: you speaking abound here, it is kids would be more
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: encouraged to be able to do right out themselves, to
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: learn what their therapy is, off their potentials to help
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: them find their way in life. Because if we don't work,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: we don't eat. If we don't eat, you know what.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Now we're always out there trying to find some power
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: inact and being said, now, we'll make the wrong decisions
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: that our kids will end up in the prison are dead. Yeah,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: And now our prison systems is a multi trillion dollar
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: enterpliers and daily. So this is why a lot of
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: the programs that you're speaking about have been taken out
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: of our community. Why because now they have found a
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: better way to make the money off of our kids
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and I and our neighbor who listen outside. You know
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, but I only gets to a lock
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: them up and throwing away to free. Then you're giving
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: kids a life stimmer, a life service, and they got
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: to do forty years, four years and long lifetime. Man.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So if this is the case, man, all of them
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: standing round, is that you're right. We do need more
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: government fundings, more, more community input man, more family input man,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you know, and whatever else that we can get to.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: You know, encourage our kids now to get get caught
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: up in games, man, but you know a lot of.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Life also, Cornell, I know this nowadays. When we was
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: coming up, we knew not to act up because it
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: was always a neighbor or something looking and they would
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: tell on you. Nowadays you will hear. You better not
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: say nothing to my child. What did you say? You
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: know they get so defensive when you say something, so
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: you can you know, we need to be able to
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: listen when our child is wrong, you know, listen if
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: someone is correcting them. Don't be so quick to you know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: want to fight. You know, because I see that when
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I drove school buses and stuff. You know, you try
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: to at least try to keep get a kid back
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: on track. And then a parent is all up in
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: your face and then you know, now you looking like yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: so that's why the kid acting like that, because they
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: see the mama acting like that. So you are aretified
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: acting like that. You know, it's a learned behavior, you know.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: So we shouldn't as parents. We should be able to
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: if your child, if I see your child set Miss
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Rogergu's hair on fire, because that did happen when I
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: was driving for Metro Public Transportation I had I was
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: driving the Veron Vermont line and some students on that
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: bus set this elderly Hispanic lady hair on fire and
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: they laughed, they laughed, and that little lady was so terrified.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I was terrified too. But you know, stuff like that,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: when you see stuff like that, you should be able
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: to tell the child, Hey, do you know that could
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: when all bad. She could have some kind of hair
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: spray in her hair and just went up like a
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: like a little Roman candle. But they didn't say it
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: You know. Okay, okay, so this is the plant to
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: be made. Man. Our kids not taking this stuff seriously. Man.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: They are not taking the idea of staying a waiting seriously. Man.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: They embracing the negativity of became violence.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: They embracing the negativity man, of the rap music, the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: negativity of the culture of playing their pants below. They
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: but you know the negativity of these these your shoes
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. They are breaking back walking around
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: with a gun in their poppet. Man, kids fifteen years old,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: our death pennte Now man has rhythm. Now to a
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: high percent of having kid on this program kids not
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: from age fifteen on up?
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Well, they said were they say that the age that
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: they enter gains is at twelve years old. That's what
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: the statistics is saying. Black Diamond just said. Black Diamond said,
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: the streets are giving our kids life skills, but not
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: the kind of skills we want them to have.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, ma'am. And that's a good point to
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: be late. So now what do we do as parents? Man?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Do we get more involved in our kid his life?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Because I know a mother or father, our brother or
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: sister would see that their sibling is participating in games
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: because of the way he's dressing, or the way he's acting,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: or the way he's hanging out with the brown crowd.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: So now, for we are people, we have to start
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: soon will come to us on our kids. We have
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: to go and kid him and put him to the
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: side and show him some top of health and not
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: only that, we have to participate in in life to
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: show him better and show him that it's a better way,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: take you to mode or something, show him that there's
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: got to feel a better way than the children that
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: he's making to hang out with the wrong clod.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: But you know, and you know what you just talked about.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Oh we got two minutes, and uh too, we better
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: wrap this up. You know what you just sad about
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: that I did all of that with my children. But
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: we got to remember our children have a mind of
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: their own and their mate their they Once they minds
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: is set, their minds are set. So I'm gonna go ahead,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna let you go ahead and close us
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: out because we got two minutes and I don't want
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: to keep talking.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, for anyone who's listening to this podcast tonight,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you know, we encourage let's talk about it. You know,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: we encourage used to come out, to be able to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: join and then to be able to get involved into
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: their kids' lives, be able to teach them and show
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: them that gang violence is a serious thing. Prison life
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: is a serious thing and that for them to be
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: able to you know, get their education, go to school,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: you know, participate in program when we ask the job
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: come out of petition on government. I pay back the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: dificies and less the labels to be able to provide
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: the funds we need to be able to give the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: programs and all the pidemic to be able to you know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: stay away from these types of alignments, gang activity and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: guns and stuff like that. We have a serious shooting
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: that day of a school student right now. We said
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: night I can do with us to the families of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: the kids who lost their lives in today shooting. But
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: we encourage the people to come out get involved in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: demand the tall government do better about your kids. Thank
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: you very much for having me on the should life
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: and my name is on the phone.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: And on that note, we want to say have a
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: last week of last week and we'll see you guys
• 1:00:58
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