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The Buffet with Chad and Scooch, Episode 36 - Featuring Tom Tolbert · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side
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  Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move.
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  Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when
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  Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's
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  Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the buffet with
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  Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy a buffet. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the Buffet with Chad and Scooch. Scooch
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  Speaker 1: is back on the show after many many weeks off,
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  Speaker 1: basically because, like you know, if he takes a summer off,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't really do anything. He just lives in his
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  Speaker 1: Italian villa and relaxes, and everybody else does the work
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  Speaker 1: and Scooch just smokes his cigars and drinks his sport
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  Speaker 1: and watches movies and his massive court yard in the
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  Speaker 1: center of his house. But today he's gonna join me. Scooch,
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  Speaker 1: as everybody knows, is the bookmaker for the Orleans and
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  Speaker 1: all the Boyd gaming books in the state of Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: Later on in the show, Summer League is a massive,
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  Speaker 1: massive topic this year in sports. I would say after
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  Speaker 1: the World Cup, people are talking more about Summer League
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  Speaker 1: as it comes out of free agency than they are
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  Speaker 1: talking about Major League Baseball or anything else. Certainly we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing that at UM at the Action Network this year,
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  Speaker 1: like the amount of attention people are paying a summer
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  Speaker 1: league from a betting perspective, just from a traffic perspective,
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  Speaker 1: from a watching it, excitement about the players. Um, that's
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  Speaker 1: been great. So later on in the show, Tom Tolbert,
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  Speaker 1: longtime NBA player, longtime friend of the podcast, long time
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  Speaker 1: better host of his own afternoon radio show on K
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  Speaker 1: and b R in San Francisco, He's gonna join. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about how you manage to love the NBA
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  Speaker 1: and bet on Summer League and what does it mean
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  Speaker 1: for the world when that's happening, Because we love it.
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  Speaker 1: It's been fantastic, fantastic. Bob Scucci, Hey, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: wish I could say that I've been, you know, enjoying
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  Speaker 1: this summer, you know, smoking my cigars and drinking my
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  Speaker 1: ports and everything. This this summer has been one of
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  Speaker 1: the busiest we've ever had. And with the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: ruling uh a couple of months ago, so uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: anything but relaxing this this year. What does it mean
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  Speaker 1: for you? What have you been doing traveling around to
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  Speaker 1: a lot of our jurisdictions in in preparation for um
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  Speaker 1: uh sports wagering in other states, and meeting with regulators
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  Speaker 1: and meeting with a lot of our folks that run
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  Speaker 1: the properties in in our other states, and UH kind
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  Speaker 1: of preparing the roadmap and UH working with uh different
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  Speaker 1: systems that that can apply to different states and different structures.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a whole new addition to UH, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my normal job description, which states is board gaming going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to activate sports betting in come to far?
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  Speaker 1: What we hope to have Mississippi uh pretty shortly, definitely
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  Speaker 1: before football season. So I would say I would say
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi is the first one to go. Some people have
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  Speaker 1: said Mississippi is going to be the sports betting capital
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  Speaker 1: of the country at some point in the near future.
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  Speaker 1: What is your perception? What is your comment on that?
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  Speaker 1: Mr Scucci? I still the Vegas is still going to
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  Speaker 1: be the capital. Mississippi is going to be a nice market, uh,
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  Speaker 1: especially down south in that Biloxi region. Uh So it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a real, real, nice, strong market. But I
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  Speaker 1: still Vegas is going to remain the capital. Look at you,
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  Speaker 1: you are defending your turf that damn right. What would
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  Speaker 1: you say right now? What would you say? I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about summer leagues. I'm just fascinated by summer
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  Speaker 1: league and you guys are taking action on this right now.
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  Speaker 1: UM name for me in order of action so far,
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  Speaker 1: this summer Summer League, World Cup, MLB, Golf, Tennis in
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  Speaker 1: in order. So it's it's it's a little unfair. MLB
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  Speaker 1: is still tops only because there are so many games.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, if you're just looking at overall handled
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  Speaker 1: then obviously, uh, MLB will be at the top. But
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  Speaker 1: World Cup is just right there. And just think that
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  Speaker 1: there's just a few games compared to the entire Major
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  Speaker 1: League Baseball schedule, just those few games can rival what
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  Speaker 1: we do. Um you know the higher day with with
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. So World World Cup is huge. Uh
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  Speaker 1: And this summer it's just been fantastic the action that
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  Speaker 1: we've had, a lot of the games went our way.
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  Speaker 1: We got we got a lot of draws after ninety
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  Speaker 1: after regulations, so the draws are always good for us.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So we we got a lot of those. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So World Cup has just been tremendous and uh, I
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  Speaker 1: would put it up right on par with MLB. Um,
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  Speaker 1: next I would probably say is I'll we'll put Summer
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  Speaker 1: League right behind that, pretty pretty close with with golf
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  Speaker 1: and tennis. But but Summer League is it's popular. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's something pretty new for for the betters in the summer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean just a few years ago we didn't even
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  Speaker 1: book it. So, um, it's just another added item to
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  Speaker 1: the vast sports betting menu that we all have. Now
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  Speaker 1: you might say you've added it to the buffet very good. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we added it right to the end of the line there.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of which, go to the buffet page and iTunes
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  Speaker 1: rate the podcast, review the podcast, send us your comments. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to unsubscribe to this podcast, and then
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  Speaker 1: I want you to resubscribe to this podcast, because that
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  Speaker 1: is what matters most in the iTunes charts. Scooch, let
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  Speaker 1: me run a scenario by you. Okay, you ready? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have two sons, fourteen and eleven, neither of whom
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  Speaker 1: like sports very much at all. But the eleven year old,
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  Speaker 1: this uh, this summer, for some reason, has gotten into
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  Speaker 1: the World Cup and he's been wanting to watch it,
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  Speaker 1: and he's been wanting to talk about it, and so
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  Speaker 1: we watched Uh England UM beat Sweden last weekend. He
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  Speaker 1: was freaking out. Thought it was the greatest thing in
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  Speaker 1: the world. Yesterday he we're recording this on on Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: afternoon before England plays. Great show. Uh. And yesterday we
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  Speaker 1: were texting each other the whole time I was at
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  Speaker 1: work about France and Belgium. We were on Belgium the
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  Speaker 1: night before that match. I said to him, do you
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  Speaker 1: want to make a bet on this match? And he's like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I went to my UH bookmaking app and I
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  Speaker 1: put in a fifty dollar bet on France. I think
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  Speaker 1: they were like plus one ten or something to be Belgium.
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  Speaker 1: We won. So yesterday, Uh, last night I'm in the city.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not at home this week. I'm texting with my son.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how great was that match? And I wrote,
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  Speaker 1: we won, We're going to the finals, Viva le France,
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  Speaker 1: And all he texted back was we won fifty bucks. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're molding him really young to be a sports better orange.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was very on brand, right, And so
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  Speaker 1: then this morning I'm in the city, I face time him.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking and I say to him, uh, we got
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  Speaker 1: England and um Croatia today. What do you think? He goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: I really want England to win, but Croatia beat the
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  Speaker 1: rigged Russians. Oh my god, Like, who is this kid?
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  Speaker 1: He's eleven years old? Where does he get like that?
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  Speaker 1: Why is he so street savvy all of a sudden?
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  Speaker 1: So I say to him, do you want to bet?
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  Speaker 1: And he goes yeah, But I think we should bet less.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking to myself, this kid is a bank
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  Speaker 1: role management natural. He wants to keep some He's like,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't feel that good about it. He doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: as good about this as he did about France Belgium.
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  Speaker 1: We both believe France is going to win the World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: I actually said it on Action network dot com before
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  Speaker 1: the tournament began, that I believe France would win the
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  Speaker 1: World Cup. So I'm looking a little bit like a
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  Speaker 1: genius right now. But I have two questions for you. One,
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  Speaker 1: is my kid not a genius? He's a natural. Two
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  Speaker 1: do you think I'm making a mistake by uh indoctrinating
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  Speaker 1: him so early? What are the pitfalls? What are the benefits? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the benefits is that he's uh, he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: well versed. Uh, you know, he's gonna have that streets
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  Speaker 1: sense that streets smarts, uh, from a from an early age.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people go their whole lives and never
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  Speaker 1: really acquire that. So that's the benefit. The drawback is
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  Speaker 1: is he may not be able to contain it at
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  Speaker 1: some point in his life, and it may it consumes
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  Speaker 1: some people. And you know that could be good or bad.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I I was indoctrinated at a
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  Speaker 1: young age myself, and I think it worked out. You're
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  Speaker 1: living in the life of luxury, so it has worked out.
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  Speaker 1: But I do worry about it a little bit. Like
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I like I like the idea that my
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  Speaker 1: kid is learning early about sort of risk and analysis
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  Speaker 1: and um, sort of those particular things, right, Like that's
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  Speaker 1: what life is. Life is about making calculated risks in
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  Speaker 1: every decision, uh that you make. And so I like
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  Speaker 1: the idea that we're talking about it and then he
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  Speaker 1: gets it. And I like that he immediately got like,
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  Speaker 1: we don't feel as good about England and Croatia as
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  Speaker 1: we did about France and Belgium. So I like that
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  Speaker 1: he instinctively knew we were going to bet less. He's not,
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  Speaker 1: He's not looking to throw it all back. I like.
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  Speaker 1: I like that he's not like, he's not chasing, he's
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  Speaker 1: not thinking like I'm all in, Um, well, you have
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  Speaker 1: to wait till you have to wait till he loses though,
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  Speaker 1: to see if he's a chaser. Right, you're you're right?
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  Speaker 1: So um But should I even have been allowing him
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  Speaker 1: to do this? Oh? Sure? Sure? I mean, you know
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're not gonna turn him into uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a compulsive gambler. I don't think, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but but I think it's exciting to have that element
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  Speaker 1: UH involved in the sport as I mean, we've all
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  Speaker 1: seen how having something at stake in the game draws
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  Speaker 1: you closer to to the match and gives it that
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  Speaker 1: extra added interest. I mean, there's something about the money
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  Speaker 1: element that adds a whole new dimension. You know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking back back on on Saturday's game between between Russia
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  Speaker 1: and Croatia. Everybody had UH Russia in that match and
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  Speaker 1: the draw was going to be real big for the house,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a separate bet on who's the team
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  Speaker 1: to advance, but you know the main bet that the
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  Speaker 1: most money that everybody in the room bet was on Russia.
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  Speaker 1: So that the yelling and the screaming, the crowd is roaring, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on on on every kind of movement, and
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  Speaker 1: at the end of regulation when it was tied, there
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  Speaker 1: was the entire room deflated and it really didn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: After that, the yelling and the screaming stopped, and when
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  Speaker 1: Croatia finally UH wanted on the on penalty kicks, there
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  Speaker 1: was no roar of the crowd. Everything died down because
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  Speaker 1: all the money was already lost at that point, So
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  Speaker 1: you knew it wasn't so much that people were just
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  Speaker 1: so into Russia and Croatia as as a sporting event.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to win money on that match and on
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  Speaker 1: and once the money was lost, it's like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we'll finish watching this thing, but you know, we already
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  Speaker 1: lost our money, so it has an element to it.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. And look like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously everyone loves their kids, and mine are fantastic, but
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  Speaker 1: they have never been into anything I'm into, Like every
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  Speaker 1: weekend when kids like parents are watching UH football with
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  Speaker 1: their kids, they're going to football games with their kids,
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  Speaker 1: like my kids are at the age now and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of my friends and their kids are at the
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  Speaker 1: age where they take him away for weekends, Like they'll
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: go to Chicago for the weekend and they do a
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  Speaker 1: day at Wrigley, a day at Soldier Field, like there,
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  Speaker 1: you know sports fans. My kids just like aren't into it, ironically,
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  Speaker 1: given what I've done with my life. Um, and so
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  Speaker 1: the fact he was into it, I kind of feel
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  Speaker 1: like I gotta go all in because this is a
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  Speaker 1: great way. Like he and I are connecting on this.
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  Speaker 1: It's not anything that his brothers into, it's not anything
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  Speaker 1: that my wife is into, and so I want to
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  Speaker 1: encourage it only because it's fun and it's a great conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little worried that. Like when I was excited
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  Speaker 1: just because we both wanted France to win and they won,
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  Speaker 1: his first response was a very dry, on emotional we
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  Speaker 1: won fifty bucks? How old is he? Okay? My my
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  Speaker 1: sins on this, it's it's okay right now. But if
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  Speaker 1: you see him coming home with a a bracket or
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  Speaker 1: a super Bowl chart where he's collecting money from his
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  Speaker 1: classmates running a pool, I think you got to start worrying.
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  Speaker 1: What if I see him coming home and like he's
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  Speaker 1: he's riding a tripped out tutor and his and his
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  Speaker 1: like drenched in gold chains. Yeah, I definitely start to
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  Speaker 1: worry because he's making and like junior high. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I get so. I mean you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: it from a father's point of view. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: a sense of pride that you've connected with him on
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  Speaker 1: something that you're into that he's seems to have an
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  Speaker 1: interest on. So you're you're connecting on a father's son
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  Speaker 1: level where maybe you need to be just pay attention
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  Speaker 1: as to some of the the pitfalls that may come
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  Speaker 1: along with that. I mean, I gotta be on this
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: guy like a hawk now. Yeah, yeah, I'd start watching,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all of a sudden, like if you
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: home one if he comes home one day and says,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I can't believe the Lakers are only laying
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: two and a half against the Cavaliers and even though
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: they have Lebron, and then you need to start worrying.
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  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I'm worried he's gonna be like dad,
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  Speaker 1: I got a dime on Anthony to be tied like
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  Speaker 1: the foot after school of the day. Yeah, Okay, That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm worried about. Like all of a sudden you
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: set in bitcoin because like I can, that would be funny. Yah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm excited about today's game. Well, obviously we're recording
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  Speaker 1: this before the game. It will be out after and
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  Speaker 1: so everyone will know at this point whether or not,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: uh the Millman kitty has increased, And if my boy
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  Speaker 1: is now all of a sudden just like on a
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  Speaker 1: hot streak that I've never been on in my life,
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  Speaker 1: and if he is turning into a full on degenerate
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  Speaker 1: gambler that I have influenced and now sent him down
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  Speaker 1: a path to destruction, or if we're gonna find a
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: way to control right this narrative, this could peep people
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: glue to the podcast for the next generation for sure. Yeah,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: at least at least for the next few years. I'm
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: curious myself, now, where will end up end up like
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: living in a in in one of those special cottages
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  Speaker 1: like a lux villa at the Bellaggio. Where is he
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  Speaker 1: gonna end up behind bars because he owes a few
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: people too much money you don't want him owen ha
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: ha ha. Oh my god. Here's what's frightening is that
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  Speaker 1: tweeted out that little exchange this morning between me and him,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting so many likes on this, which makes me
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: think that basically my followers are just massive degenerates who
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: don't see the downside of this at all. Ye uh,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: so I would say that I'm a little worried about this.
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  Speaker 1: When when did your father introduce you to betting? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: As as are back as I can remember. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I remember going to race tracks, uh from my earliest memories.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the smell of cigar smoke and kind of
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  Speaker 1: stale tickets on the floor of a race track. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of ingrained in my in my memory even from
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  Speaker 1: before I could I could probably even walk maybe. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I remember going to any any place we went on vacation,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like we'd go up to Boston from from
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, or we'd go down to Virginia. We would
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: find the local race track and we'd make that part
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of the part part of the trip. So I remember,
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  Speaker 1: I remember parley card tickets in some form, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in grade school. Um, I remember the first bet that
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  Speaker 1: I made actually was the ninth when I was a sucker,
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  Speaker 1: when I was you know, nine years old, But I
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: made a bet on the Yankees to beat the Cincinnati Reds.
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  Speaker 1: In the nineteen seventy six World Series and uh, I
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  Speaker 1: went down in flames as they lost four straight. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: but but yeah, who did you bet but the Yankees?
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  Speaker 1: Of course I was who who did you make the
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  Speaker 1: bet with? Oh? Oh no, it was some some older
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  Speaker 1: kid in school that was kind of a local school bookie.
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  Speaker 1: He was he was taking bets and there was lots
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  Speaker 1: of Yankee fans. So this kid had a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of knowledge and knew that he could get a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people betting the Yankees. And I want to say
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  Speaker 1: it was probably even money bet that I that I took,
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  Speaker 1: and I probably should have been getting like three to
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  Speaker 1: one scooch. There's nothing about this story that makes me
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  Speaker 1: feel good. This is this is exact path that I'm
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  Speaker 1: worried I just sent my kid down. He's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the guy. He's gonna be like there's like the
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  Speaker 1: bookie and school who's taking advantage of all the kids
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  Speaker 1: in central Connecticut who he knows are going to bet
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  Speaker 1: like nothing but Patriots and Red Sox. So he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, you know, figure the odds in his favorite Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well I could be Uh that's why, uh, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: little interested myself now didn't didn't know who he had
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  Speaker 1: it in them either, did I tell brand New? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait for the finals. I'm going to double
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  Speaker 1: my units on the finals. That's funny based on where
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  Speaker 1: this kid has going. All right, so you think it'll
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  Speaker 1: be okay? Uh? You think I just it's now one
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  Speaker 1: more It's honestly, I've created a problem for myself as
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  Speaker 1: a parent. One more thing. I got to manage one
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  Speaker 1: more thing. I got to look out for. One more thing.
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  Speaker 1: I got to be thinking about one more thing. My
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: wife and I have to discuss. It's like, just put
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  Speaker 1: it on the checklist of like signals to look for exactly.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I've got the pamphlets on responsible gaming here in Nevada
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that we you know, we hand out, so I can
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: send those two you'll have those on hand, you know.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, we are serious trouble. H When did
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you start booking summer League. I'm gonna have Tom tolbernon
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: uh in the second half of the show, and I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: want to talk to him about summer League because that
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: was something that didn't even exist when he was playing
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: in the NBA. But as a player and as a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: better I think he's going to have a really interesting
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: take on the value and joy of betting Summer League.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: When did you start taking book on Summer League making
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: book on Summer League? Well, we started, uh, you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, booking certain games, ones
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that we thought that would just have more interest, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: we didn't, and we didn't have totals on them, so
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they were kind of just like uh spotty. We we
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: we didn't book it in full the way we do now.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Now it's just part of the regular just like it
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: would be regular season stuff, booking every game, every total. Um.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So really, uh, this, I would say last year in
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: almost in full force and this year in full force.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That is insane how much you are booking Summer League.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: How do you make lines on it? Like? What are
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you what are you thinking about for it? Honestly, it's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: it's almost like like throwing darts, you know. But but
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: fortunately we don't see a whole lot of sharp action
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in this, so it's okay if we're if we're far off,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's it's almost like the w
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: n B A where we're really have some soft lines
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in the w n b A. You know, we just
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: really can't can't get a grasp on this, and the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: wise guys pick us apart on it and pick their spots.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Uh you know, obviously the advantage they have is to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: pick the games that they want to bet big on.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And you know, we're putting lines on every game, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: we know that they're not real strong solid lines, so
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: uh well, we'll just monitor it. As long as we're
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: not getting a whole lot of sharp action in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: summer league, we'll just kind of roll the dice even
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: with some soft lines. Why can't you figure out the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: w n B A Yeah, boy, it's just it's tough.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I say we can't figure it out,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: understand if we're right of the time that you know
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: we've got it figured out. Okay, if we got ten
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: games on the board and we've got nine solid lines
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and one bad line, we still lose for the day
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: because we lose on that one game. So it's not
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that we can't figure out the whole league. It's just
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: too many instances of one or two games where we
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: have a soft enough line and we don't take a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: whole lot of I mean, we have some pretty low
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: limits and everything, but but still it's just consistent and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: particularly with the over unders. I mean that that's really
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: where where we find ourselves in trouble. What are your
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: limits on w n B A like two thousand on
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the size, thousands on the totals. What are your limits
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: on Summer League about the same two thousands on the sides,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: thousands on the totals. And are you doing any uh
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: in game for Summer League? In game for w n
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: B A. Oh my god, you're killing me real, like
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: we don't have enough work. Seriously, listen, Scooch, the world's changing, man. Okay,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: we got eleven year olds out there who are studying
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: bankroll management it and are like figuring out the best
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: way to make units on the World Cup. Okay, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: got it ready to serve an audience. Yeah, well, we're
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: working on automation, so that's going to have to be
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: something that if we can, if we can get that automated,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: we'll we'll do that in game. Basically, what you're saying
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: is you're working on getting yourself right out of the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: job automated. Yeah, that's what That's what wrote me. Robot Scooch,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Android Scooch, Robo Scooch, Oh my god. They will do
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: nothing but sit in your house, smoke your cigars, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like go to the country club on the lake. That's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: what it will be exactly, travel around in the Boyd
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: private jet to all the other places like Mississippi and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: god knows where, making sure all your minions are doing
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: their job and working really hard. Ah well, I wish
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it was always on the private plane where we a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: couple a few weeks ago, we had to take a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: couple of small planes to jump back and forth between
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: locations that were about three or four hours apart. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I'm down there on the runway in Mississippi and it
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: was about a hundred degrees and we're walking to the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: plane and I just see the plane in the middle
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of the runway and I know it's smoking hot. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'm asking the pilot. I was like, how hot is
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it going to be in that plane? He said, yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be pretty warm. And the flight we
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: were taking was about an hour and I said, do
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you have air conditioning on that thing? He said he said, yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna take a little while to cool down.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And I said, how long is a while? He said
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: about forty five minutes. So I am on this stiflingly
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: hot plane. Uh yeah, and then you know it got
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the suit and tie on and everything, so it's not
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: always comfortable. My man. I am so tired of you
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: complaining about your high class problems. Yeah. I am going
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to definitely transition into one more topic, uh that I'm
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: also tired of, which is bookmakers just flat out taking
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: advantage of betters by posting season win totals on the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Wakers that are over fifty games. You should have you
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: posted season win totals on the Lakers yet, No, no,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna post over, aren't you. Yeah? Yeah, for sure.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: You should be ashamed of yourself because why because that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: is so inflated. It's disgusting inflated. Yeah, they're not going
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to win fifty games. Well, you see here, the premise
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of what we do is not to predict how the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: outcome of the actual match. It's to predict where the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: money is gonna come. So where do you think the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: money's the money is going to come? On the over?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But I think you are you are taking advantage of
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the public by setting it at fifty two fifty three
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: instead of setting it at like well, it's like me
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: betting the Yankees and getting even money when I should
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: have gotten three to one. I might have to I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: might have to have Owen Norman come out then, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: breaking kneecaps. We we have gotten more money on the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Lakers obviously now that uh you know with Lebron, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: mean that that line we're they're down to four to one.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Now in the futures, you think that's too low or
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: too high. I mean I think it's I think it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: preposterously low because there's no way. I mean, look, you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: can you set the line based on where the money is,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and so you've gotten a ton of money on them,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: so you've had to move them down because of your liability.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But I think they're like the true number on the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Lakers are probably closer to ten to fifteen, not four
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to one. But you probably moved them to six to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: one when Lebron signed. We oh yeah, we moved No,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: we moved him down to uh four, nine to two
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: when he signed, and we still got more action drove
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: him down to four to one. But we went from
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: we went down to from down to fifteen to one,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: twelve to one, just on the rumors when it when
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: he was it was between like the Rockets and the Lakers.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So we lowered both the Rockets and the Lakers just
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: on the speculation that he might end up on one
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of those two teams. So the value was already gone
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: on both those teams early on, and so we just
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: moved moved with the money. Since then, who do you
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: think has the most value right now? Um? Maybe the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe the Sixers or the Celtics, I agree,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? Yeah? Uh? Fifteen one, twelve to one? Yeah? Yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I think like, look, those teams are both gonna be
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: really good. Uh, there's not gonna be a ton of
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: competition in the East. The West is going to be crazy.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I also feel like, um, the odds on Kyrie or
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Joel Embiide two win NBA MVP, great, great value there.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: They're probably both in the fifteen to one range, and um,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they're both gonna have dominant seasons as long as they're healthy.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Their teams are going to go deep into the playoffs,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: if not the finals. Kyrie is going to have the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: ball in his hands. He's gonna be pissed and he's
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: gonna feel like the Eastern Conference is mine. I mean,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he could he could blow up this year and do
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a Russell Westbrook, like, you know, ten kind of guy
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: ten assists. Yeah, No, I agree to Owen Millman specially,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: but pretty soon he's going to be glued to the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: TV watching basketball next everything. He's gonna be like that,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I got a nickel. I got a nickel on Kyrie
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: over twenty five and twelve tonight. That's hilarious, except it's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: gonna be an actual nickel. It's not going to be
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: at least you hope it will. H Yeah. I don't
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: know if there's anything to come back from that. No, No,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that's it. I've shut myself into a full on depression
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: at this point. You can't think. You're just not now,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You're just like your mind's just like spinning with you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the next few years, and and and his and his
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: betting habits. Well, I'm just so torn because it could
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: bring us so much closer but could also tear us apart.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I just keep thinking, I love this cartoon.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I wish I knew who who did it, and I
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: saw it many years ago. There's a father and he's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: got his hand on his son's shoulder pads. His son
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is like in football pads, and he's got his helmet
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: in his hand and he's all dejected, and then the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: caption reads from the father talking to the son. He said, son,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: it's not whether you win or lose. It's important. It's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: whether you cover the spread. So I always hearkened back,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I always picture that comic strip anytime. Uh yes, I think. Um,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've pulled my kid under the mafia
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how to get him out. Yeah,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: but he wanted to be there. Yeah, alright, Scooch, listen,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I gotta get Tom Tolbert on the phone. I think
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: we've covered it all. We've covered whether or not my
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: son is degenerate. We've covered um summer me. We've covered
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: why you can't win at the NBA from a book
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: making perspect of, and we've covered the Lakers, lebron and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: NBA futures. That is a full podcast for your for
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: your homecoming. Have you become bookmaker to the world yet,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Well,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it's a slow it's a slow process. But you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: either me or Robo Scoots, one of us will get it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Between the two of you, you guys are gonna nail
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it exactly all right, Scooch, Thanks Matt talk all right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: take care all right. Next up on the Buffet Podcast,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite people, friend of the podcast, one
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: of my favorite guests, longtime NBA superstar, one of the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: best players in the history of Arizona basketball, post of
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: his own afternoon radio talk show on kN BR in
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. Mr Tom Tolbert, How are you, buddy, Dad?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: What's going on? You must be Uh? Did you wake
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: up on the hyperboleef side of the bed this morning? No? No, no,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: this is how I think of you. I think of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you as uh as easily the the best recruit who
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: turned the University of Arizona basketball program around, and then
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the guy who came in and really um was the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: engine that ran the Warriors uh in the early nineties
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: during like the Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullen, UH Tim Hardaway
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: days like without you revolutionizes. I think the word you're
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: looking for, I don't know that. Like to me, the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: offense and the defense we're both pivoting around your hard
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: nosed play and without yea that that erra doesn't exist. Yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: our offense and the other team's offense. That's how I
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: see it. Well, I'm glad. I'm I'm I'm glad. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: had some really really good alcohol back in the day.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: How do you remember it? Not quite that? Uh? Well,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm proud of what I was able
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to accomplish. I mean I think that I was I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: don't want to say I was missing piece, but I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: want to say I was one of the key pieces
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: when I came into the junior college, transferred Arizona and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: helped us get to the the Final four, and I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: think we're number one most of the year that year.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think I played a pivotal role,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: uh in that. And as far as ma NBA career, look,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I played seven years and I played three with the Wards,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and I bounced around a little bit. But you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of that as well. You look at the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: population and how many people get to play professional sports
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: in the world, and it's a minuscule, minuscule number. So
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know, while you know, I look at and there
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: was I had some games that were fun, and you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: know that I look back and remember had twenty seven
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: against David Robinson and the Spurs and twenty four against
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Elijah one of the Rockets, and some you know, I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: had some games that were like, really, if I could
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: like to do that every game, I would have been
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and then I would have been unbelievable. I couldn't do
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that every game. But now to play in UH, to
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: play in a professional sports league, yeah, I mean it
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: takes a lot of work and a lot of help,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm proud of that. I mean, not a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: lot of people get to do it, and I get
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to do it, and I get to do a sports
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: suck radio show based I've been stealing money for about
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: thirty years now. You have been stealing money and then
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: giving it away to bookmakers for so freaking long. It's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. But you know you're right about this the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: professional sports Like, um, I've had this conversation with a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: lot of people, and you know, I like, I can
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: only put it in the context of me at the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: center of the universe. So like, I played high school
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: basketball and then I moved to New York and I'm
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: playing in a basketball game with guys who played UH
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: in college at the D three level, the D one level.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And then a guy who used to work at ESPN
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the magazine with me named Alan Grant, who played in
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the NFL for five years. He went to Stanford. He
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: actually played for the Niners. You might remember him so
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: um he uh. And he would play and like the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: level of difference between like you know, schmos like me
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: who played in high school and even a D three
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: player in college was ginormous, Like they were just so
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: much better in every single way. And the level between
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the D three and the D one guy was ridiculous.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And then there was a guy like Alan Grant who's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: just a phenomenal athlete and played at a professional level.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even the sport that he played in. You
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: just see, like everything moves faster, everything moves more fluid,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: everything is easier to get to that level. Even if
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you are like end up being the scrub at that level,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you're still gonna be better than say, how many people
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have played in the history of the n b A,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, five thousand idea, But you're still gonna
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: be better than like the people who have attempted to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: play basketball in their life. And now it's incredible. And
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that's why it always look I used the term as well,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: like this guy sucks or what's he doing? Or this
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: guy doesn't you know, scrub whatever something like that. But
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I always use those terms as a relative term, like
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: you're a scrub compared to everyone else in the league,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: or you're a guy that shouldn't be on the court
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: compared to everyone else in the league. And I think
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: fans sometimes just get well so fanatical they you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: that guy sucks, for this guy, get him out of here.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: That they don't realize like how good everyone is that
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: plays professional sport. They don't realize how good you are.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Like the worst guy, as you said, is so much
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: better than just about everyone else. I won't say so
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: much better than everybody else. So there are guys that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like just missed the cuts somehow. Maybe they they aren't
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: in the right system, or they don't have the right
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: support staff and they don't quite make it. So, I mean,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there's there's some fringe people that are talented enough to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: play in professional sports, but for the most part, people
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: have no idea, just don't have any idea. I always
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: wish that people could could stand in a batter's box
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: with the Roldest Chapman throwing the ball and just hold
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the bat, don't even swing it, just throw it and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: let him throw it. And just see how tough that
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: is to hit on her mom and our fastball. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: mean you can you can barely see it. Yeah, we'll
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: sit there and yell the guy, you know, for not
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: getting the guy home from third base with less than
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: two outs, and Chapman throws the ball right down the middle, like,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: how could you not hit that? What they'll dude, it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: going on hundred miles an hour now, expectation they're different
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: because you're a professional athlete. But still, I mean you
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: watch it on TV and it all becomes so easy.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: How could you not see that open guy cutting? How
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: could you not hit that shot? How could you not
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: hit that guy wide open the flat? If people don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: understand like how quick things move, and the greatest ones
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: that play all right, they have the ability to slow
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the gauges all slows down for him because of their
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: work ethic and their natural ability and just their intelligence.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: The game slows down. And when I had my good games,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and I had good you know, I had good stretches.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: When I was playing, the game was slow. You know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you just need to play. Was there? You knew it?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: You caught the ball? Should I shoot it? Should I
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: pass it? If I passed it where I passed it
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to should I dribble it, then pass it, then shoot it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I mean everything just kind of like laid out before.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, this is easy, and then when you're struggling,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it's like playing in a tornado though. I mean, things
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: are just whizz and by you, and it's like you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: seem like you make the wrong decision every single time,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and you're you're questioning yourself and it's just it could
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: be a mess. And great players don't deal with that
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: very often. Put the for a lot of us out there,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: they're played boy that game. When it speeds up, you
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: just want to hit the brakes and get off the ride.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Who is the best athlete you played with? Kenny Lofton
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Kenny Lofton, best athlete I played with? It was our
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: point guard Arizona, the center field. Yeah, I think it
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: was fifteen years and then he played for the He
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: was here with the Giants when they I think they
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: went to the World Series when he was when Kenny
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: was here, he was who was it was here? Uh yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: just a phenomenal athlete. Mrs. The guy that did. They
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: didn't play baseball all in college until at the very
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: end of his career. Then showed up, played and got
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: drafted and made it to the major league. And it
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: was like Chris, like, baseball is not that easy, none
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: of it is. But she's that did not swing a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: bat and do all of that. But like in the NBA,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: they're a great athlete. Shack was an incredible athlete for
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a guy his size. People forget I played with Miss
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Rocky Yere in Orlando. He was like seven one, Like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: he was long. He wasn't just big, he was long, agad.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: The things that he could do in the power uh
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and the agility was just mind bending. It's like, there's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: no way guy that big should be able to do
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: with what this guy is doing. But you know Lebron,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I've never played against Lebron. They're just watching him. It's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: like incredible watching this guy do what do what he does.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I mean the NBA man, I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: could just go and go right down to you know,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the Mitch Richmond, great athlete. Obviously I played against Jordan's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: great athlete. But NBA guys are InCred I think. I
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: mean a lot of guys will say it in their
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: chosen sport. These guys are the best athletes in the world.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: But boy, I don't see how you couldn't say NBA
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: athletes are just the best athletes in the world. The
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: most of her six seven six can run like the wind,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: can jump or super quick hand eye coordination, and I mean, yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's pretty incredible what some of those guys can
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: do well. I always remember this story, like, sometimes the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: best athlete isn't the guy who's playing the most right.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: And so the story I heard about, I forget what
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it was from, but Chris Webber and Juwan Howard were
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: playing on the Wizards or Bullets at the time with
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney. You know, I went to I you and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like the Fab five and I you had that rivalry
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: when I was there in the early nineties, and um,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney obviously was an All American and so they
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: all were playing together at that point. Cal was playing
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit less than everybody else. And I heard
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: through like people I'm connected to in sports and whatever,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that Juwan Howard and Chris Pruppert will talk about how
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Calbert Cheney was the greatest athlete they've ever seen and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: he was barely getting on the floor. But like the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: things he could do with the ball in practice, and like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, he wasn't playing as much.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: But like, were there guys and the Warriors who were
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: just ridiculously good athletes, better than Mitch Richmond, better than
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Tim hardaway Um who just never got planned time. But
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: we're so good athletes. Man, I'm trying to think of
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: somebody I know, Timmy Hardaware, our point guard back with
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the words I used to say about those people, like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the guys that could really jump and they're explosive, he goes,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: he goes, they could get up, but they can't get down. Well,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you know what, that's interesting. The things that I want
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to talk about there are two very specifics I want
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to talk about, and we talked a little bit about
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I talked about this with Scooch, the bookmaker in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: first part of the podcast, and you and I talked
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit about this before we came on. Is
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Summer League, and Summer League has taken over the sports
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: conversation outside of the World Cup. And you know, the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: NBA has just done a phenomenal job of like there's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the draft, then there's free agency, and its Summer League
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and like all of that sort of comes together to
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: keep the promise of what the next season in the
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: NBA is going to be alive, and he gets people
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: really excited to see sort of how Trey Young is
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: gonna do, how Marvin Bagley is gonna do. You know
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: what these what these new players are going to be
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: on their teams, and people get excited about these glorified
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: scrimmage it and you can bet on it now and
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: like to see some of these guys develop the idea
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: that they can get up and they can't get down.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: What's your take on summer league? What's your take on
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: summer league as a development tool? And then what's your
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: take on Summer league or something a bet on? Well, Look,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I played in two summer leagues when I was with
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the Warriors or was it one? Not one? Am I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to play another one? I got hurt, but we
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: played in the Utah I think it's called the Salt
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Lake City Review, and it's put it this way. There
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as many people there is there is in
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Vegas right now, And it wasn't something that other NBA
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: guys came and hung out and watched. They weren't city
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: your teammates weren't sitting on the sidelines in Salt Lake
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: getting ready to watch you play a summer league game.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: You went out there because you wanted to get better.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: You went out there because your coach asked you to. Uh.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: So I went out there and actually, uh pop uh.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Coach Popovich was my coach out in the summer League,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: which was pretty cool. I wish I would have had
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a chance to play for him more in just a
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: summer league, but it was pretty cool playing for him
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: in Summer League. Patrols Freewell was on the team. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: think he was a rookie that year. But it was
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: just something you did. I mean, it wasn't something like like, oh,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to go to Salt Lake. Now it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: in Vegas, and Vegas is a different animal than in
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake. But look, I think people are on crack.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I really do. I think there's a crack epidemic in
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Vegas and people are smoking at all and going to
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: summer league games and paying paying from what I hear,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: to go to a summer league game, and those things
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: are full. It's summer league. They couldn't pick those dudes
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: out of a lineup. They could there in their backyard.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: They couldn't say, hey, that's the power forward for the Celtics.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Couldn't do it. They don't no idea who these guys are.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: They know who Trade Young is and who Bagley is,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: they know who the top picks are for It's like
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: ten guys on each roster. You have no idea who
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: these guys are. Yet they're in and they're in Vegas.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Let me repeat, they're in Vegas, all right. If you
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: were like in South Dakota somewhere and it was like,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? I don't know when you
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: watch the bulls run around, or we're gonna watch the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Summer League game. Okay, I'll go watch the Summer League game.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I'm in Vegas. I got a casino, I have a pool,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I have golf, I have all sorts of stuff going on.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And yet I'm gonna go inside a gym and watch
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: guys that I have no idea who they are, sweat
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: running up and down a court. Absolutely not, under no circumstances.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: When I when I used to broadcast for the Words,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you want to go to Summer League
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and do some shows from there, I'm like, you high
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you want me to go to Summer League. I know
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to Summer League. It's so it's summer League.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It's the fact that it's this big deal now is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: just mind boggling. And the fact that people are betting
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: on this stuff is mind boggling, because like I'm I'll
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: bet on just about anything, but I gotta know what's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: going on. But I mean, I'm not gonna sit here
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: to know what's going on. I have to watch Summer League.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Not a chance in hell I'm watching some league. There's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: not a chance in hell I'm betting Summer League. And
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: how in the hell do you bet this stuff? Anyway?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Like I get other things, how you bet them? I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: know there's trends that go along with it, but yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: betting has them been there, but around that long on
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Summer League for me to take those seriously because I'm
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the mostly trends are what has happened. It doesn't pretend
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen. It can help you, but if
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: you just use that as a tool, I mean you're sunk.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: So I have no interest in betting on the Magic
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: plus two over the Celtics in the Summer League game.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: When some dudes name I can't even pronounce. This is
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a jumper at the end of the game and cost
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: me a couple hundred bucks. No thanks, I'll take my
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: two and go to the blackjack table once again. I'm
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: in Vegas. This is a great Summer League grant. You've
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: like poured such cold water on the concept of like
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: everybody in the world being so excited about Summer League
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and the fact you can help bet on Summer League,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and that we at the Action Network are writing dozens
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: of stories about betting trends a year on Crack two.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Y're on Crack two and hoever it writes those articles
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: on Crack Why why is it different than the w
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: n B A. I've been on your show, We've talked
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: about like betting on the w n B A. Why
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: is it any different. You're not doing any more research
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: when you're betting on the w n B A than
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you're doing it on Summer League, and chances are you've
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: probably watched more of the players in Summer League throughout
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: their career than you have anybody playing in the w
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: n B A. Well, no, no, no, I say, I
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think with the w n
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: B A you have women that have been on the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: same team for a number of years, you have you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: can have team trends throughout the course of a season.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: The season is longer, it's not this summer league. I mean.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: And then let's put it this way. I mean, who
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: knows what these guys are doing the night before a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: summer League game? Like, really, I'm gonna put my hard
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: earn money on some guy who may have been out
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: in the casino till at three o'clock in the morning
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: drinking vodka rocks. I mean, I'm a bet on that dude,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: and it come out there sweating bullets hung first, Like, no,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think so so. But with the w n
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: b A, I think it's more. I mean, look, it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: a league. It's been around, these girls, the women have
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: been around from year to year. You can say, Okay,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: this is what they did last year, this is what
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: they've added, And I mean, I think you can make
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a reasonable assumption as to how they're going to play.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Do they play fast, do they play so slow as
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: their coach the same, did they change coaches. There's all
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: sorts of different things you can look at. With summer League,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: it's a bunch of dudes thrown together. I won't say
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: random Lakers teams. You know, they choose who they want
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: on their Summer League team, But the next year it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a completely different batch guys. And you don't know what
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: guys are out there for. I mean, some guys may
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: be out there just to ball out and get the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: points because they don't have a contract and they want
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to impress someone. Some guys already have contracts with that team,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: so they're gonna listen to the coach play with instructor
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more run some plays. So I
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with those guys, and they're
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: only there for a couple of weeks. So I just
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: say that that I have no interest in whatsoever. Some
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: guys want to get up, and some guys are trying
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: to prove they can get down, and some guys want
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to bet on summer League. Some guys just want to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: bet on the guys trying to prove they can get Downey,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: good luck. Do you even see summer league? Like, you know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: speaking of is like a good way to see player potential.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: People are freaking out, Like the first three games, Trey
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Young was horrible and there were stories about it. I'm like,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: this is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen. Like,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you guys played three games of exhibition. Everybody calmed down.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Everyone take a deep breath. It's not a precursor to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: what's to what's to come. It's not they're not playing
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: with NBA. All those guys are not NBA caliber players,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna play better when you're playing with NBA
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: caliber players. And I just again, you don't know what
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: the coach wants from a guy. You don't know what
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you ask them to do. Some guys made you feel
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit more pressure because they're drafted high and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: they feel like they have to go to Vegas and
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: and and get after it. And I look in I
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: pay zero attention to that stuff. Even if I watched
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: those games, which I mean, really, you would have to
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: freaking duct tape me to my couch, hide my remote,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and put toothpicks in my eyelids to get me to
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: watch Summer League basketball. But if you did that and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I was watching Summer League basketball, I still would come
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: away thinking I don't care. I don't care what those
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: guys did. And then I try to like, look at
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: somebody go like his athleticism, or I like that guy's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: stroke whether he makes it or not, I have no idea,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Or I like his defensive anticipation. Uh, stuff like that.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna draw any sweeping conclusions about a
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: player after two or three or four Summer League games,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: or even the whole Summer League. It's just it's absurd.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: But we know how the machine works. I mean, you
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: gotta have pages, you gotta have clicks, and you want
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: people to to click on an article Trey Young really
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: stinks and this is and you're like, well I gotta
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: find out why, let me click on. And you're like,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: well that was stupidly move on. Uh. So that's just
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that's that's where the world works. I think people, I
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: think they get it. I'm not sure, but anybody that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: would take an article proclaiming someone a bust after a
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: week of Summer League is just a year on crack two.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Don't listen. Don't pull back the curtain on my business,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: because then I got nothing left. You know what I'm saying.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I always here for you.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Tom Tolber bringing the Action Network down one word at
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: a time. Here's another question. That I love your World
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Cup betting previews. Those they're fine. Yeah, exactly. Here's the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: thing us I talked about with Scooch. You are a father,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you have grown children, you are a fan of sports,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and you have been better for a long time. During
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the World Cup, my eleven year old son and I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: had been bonding over this and uh, the other day
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: we were gonna We're talking about France and Belgium, and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I said to him, uh, you want to bet on it?
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And he goes sure. I'm like, alright, how much? She goes,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I know, fifty bucks. I'm like all right. So I
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: log into my you know, sports betting app, and I
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: put down fifty bucks on the game. And the next
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: day'm at work and he's at home and we're texting
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: during the game and we're watching and we're excited. And
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: when it's over, I sent him a text like who
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: we win? Fantastic And all he does is text me
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: back and say, we won fifty bucks. And so the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: next day this morning, and I tweeted this as well. Um,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to him on the phone and I'm like, hey,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: England Croatia today, what do you think? And he goes, well,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I kind of like England. But Croatia beat the rigged
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Russians and so that scares me. I'm like, do you
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: want to bet it? And he goes, well, let's bet
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: less today. I'm like, the guy's a bank roll savant.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: He know, he knows like instinctively what to do. Here?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Am I corrupting my kid? Have I sent him down
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the path of destruction and no return? You are such
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a loser, you really are. He's freaking eleven. Did your
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: wife know this? I'm not sure. Fortunately, thinks like Twitter
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: and Instagram are the stupidest things in the world. She's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: right by the way she feels about Twitter Instagram that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: you do about Summer League. Yeah, there would anyone do
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: these things? All right? Two things here? One, Uh, that's
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: a sore subject with me. Because I had Belgium that
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: wasn't happy with the outcome. Not only did I have Belgium,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I had Belgium winning the World Cup. That was my
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: future is bet so it was not stupor pumped. I Uh,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I took bellet so Belgium got me through just a
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: digressive minute. Belgium got me through the World Cup. Because
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like bet a whole bunch of individual
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: games and stuff and doing research and trying to figure
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: all this stuff out. Basically, I just asked my son,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: because my son Walkers and won the follows the Premier League.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'm going with Belgium because I
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: can pick two players out of the lineup. I knew
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: who Locaco and the Brunner, and I liked their beer,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: so I go, good Belgium beer, two players, Let's go
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: with Belgium. So I took Belgium to win the group,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: which they did even though they were trying not to,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and now I wish they wouldn't have. I took them
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to get to the quarterfinals, which they did, and then
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I took them to get to the finals and win it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: So I ended up breaking even. So I won my
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: first two even though I'd laid juice, and then the
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: next two I had to get to the finals at
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: four to one. So I had him a plus four
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: hundred against France. I was feeling pretty good until they lost,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and then I wasn't feeling good and then I had
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: him at like nine to one to win the uh Attorney.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that I wasn't super fumped about that. But
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: as far as do you and your son. Wait, he
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: did the worst thing that could have happened to him.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: The worst thing was at France one. The best thing
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: would have been in Belgium. Would have won like five
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: nothing and he would have been crossed and you would
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: have lost fifty bucks and would have been over any good.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: But well this sucks. Then you would have said, see, son,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: look at how how many hours did it take you
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: to earn those fifty dollars that you just blew? Do
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: you want to do that again? It would have been
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: over for him. Now if you can build a career
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: on it like you, fantastic. We talked about how many
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: players make the NBA professionals for it's not many. How
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: many players make money wagering even less a lot less,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I would assume. So him winning his first bet is
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: not ideal. Trust me on that one, and know what
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I can advocate for my son to gamble? Absolutely not
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: all right? So to be clear, Um, I'm a loser
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: who has sent my path down my son down a
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: path for complete destruction. And I should not be doing
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: clickbait stories about the Summer League, and I might be
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: in the wrong business entirely. I think this is where Yeah,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I mean I I think that, I think that in complate.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks pretty well, October. You continue to be with my
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: favorite guests. Please get back. Thanks for having me, Jeff
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll talk to you a joy m hmmmmmmmm