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Teach Ball Screen Defense Better · A Quick Timeout

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome into another episode of a Quick Time Out podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Excited today to have a familiar face back on the show,
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SPEAKER_00: Coach Mike Jagacki,
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SPEAKER_00: assistant coach at New Paltz and founder of the Lockdown Defense.
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SPEAKER_00: Coach, welcome back.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Always a pleasure to be here.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, enjoy having Coach on.
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SPEAKER_00: Usually have him on at least once a year,
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has done some great stuff with his lockdown defense and has
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shared two of those
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SPEAKER_00: episodes,
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SPEAKER_00: I think is what we've done before.
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SPEAKER_00: And I will be sure to link those down in the description.
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But today talking specifically about something that I don't
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think that I've had
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SPEAKER_00: anybody come on and talk in depth about,
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SPEAKER_00: which is why I'm excited about today's episode.
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We're going to talk about pick and roll defense and coach has
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taken this information and
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SPEAKER_00: A part of it is what you're going to see today,
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but in a larger scale has created a clinic that will direct you
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to towards the end
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SPEAKER_00: here.
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SPEAKER_00: But this is one of those that if you are only listening to this,
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SPEAKER_00: there is video that goes along with it.
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And so head over to the YouTube page that I have down linked in
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the description to
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SPEAKER_00: be able to see the things that coach is describing here.
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SPEAKER_00: Coach,
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I'm going to just go ahead and let you kind of take things from
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here and then jump
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SPEAKER_00: in maybe with some questions,
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SPEAKER_00: but excited for this.
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SPEAKER_01: Sure thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And for those listening,
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SPEAKER_01: it will definitely be a better viewing experience,
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SPEAKER_01: probably just so you can see the techniques we're talking about.
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SPEAKER_01: When I think about pick and roll coverage,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sure most coaches,
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SPEAKER_01: we automatically think of the schemes,
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SPEAKER_01: the coverage,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: are we icing?
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SPEAKER_01: Are we dropping?
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SPEAKER_01: Are we hedging?
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All these different coverage options we have and how maybe the
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scheme around it
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SPEAKER_01: even fits together.
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But for me,
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I've always been most interested with the individual defender
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and how can we
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SPEAKER_01: help that individual defender get better and better.
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And so I kind of try and bring the same viewpoint when we're
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talking about ball screen defense.
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SPEAKER_01: I think Brad Steven actually said it best on some podcasts he was on.
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SPEAKER_01: He was asked about his favorite pick and roll coverage and
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SPEAKER_01: Instead,
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SPEAKER_01: he went on a tangent,
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SPEAKER_01: which I'm about to go on to,
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SPEAKER_01: which is so many times when we're evaluating our coverage as a coach,
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SPEAKER_01: we always go and jump to the back of the line.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So we are criticizing our tagger and our rotations.
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SPEAKER_01: We're criticizing our big.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't the hedge or drop we kind of wanted.
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SPEAKER_01: we're always on our back foot evaluating and then assigning blame.
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SPEAKER_01: Whereas Brad Stevens' point was,
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if we go to the front of the line and actually look at how it
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all started,
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SPEAKER_01: the point of attack,
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SPEAKER_01: the point of the screen,
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we can probably diagnose and fix a lot more problems that will
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prevent all those
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SPEAKER_01: backend problems from occurring.
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to give you a funny maybe analogy metaphor here it's it's kind
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of like teaching
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someone to make scrambled eggs but never teaching them how to
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crack the egg right
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like it doesn't matter how good they whisk or stir the eggs
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there's still going to
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be a lot of shells in them right so what you do at the
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beginning is ultimately
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going to affect the quality at the end and same thing with pick
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and roll coverage
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SPEAKER_01: right if if our guys have no ability or skill to navigate screens
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SPEAKER_01: then our coverage is always going to look like it sucks, right?
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And we're always going to be trying to adjust and trying to
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keep up when really if
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SPEAKER_01: we spend the time to develop our point of attack,
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SPEAKER_01: we might even have guys that can fight over and erase screens completely.
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SPEAKER_01: Now we're not even in a coverage situation or a disadvantage situation.
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SPEAKER_01: If we can develop the individual, the better our team defense will be.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's always been my standpoint at Lockdown Defense.
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So let's dive into specifically point of attack defense when
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we're talking about
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SPEAKER_01: ball screen before we even get to the discussion of coverage and scheme.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a video of Dwayne Wade teaching his son.
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And you can see very clearly the first point of emphasis he's
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going to do is he's
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SPEAKER_01: going to get body to body.
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As soon as he hears that screen coming,
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Dwayne Wade is going to shrink that space,
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right?
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He's going to get attached to the offensive player and funnel
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them into the screen.
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Now,
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of course,
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funnel them into the screen,
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that's excluding ice coverage,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: It would be the opposite if we were icing and downing the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: But for almost every other coverage,
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SPEAKER_01: we want to engage the ball handler so that we don't get rejected.
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Another positive to shrinking that space and getting chest to
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chest with the ball
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SPEAKER_01: handler is if you don't do that,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: If you're giving space, you're giving a cushion.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, now the ball handler can set up the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: For offensive coaches listening and watching,
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I'm sure you have a whole detail about how you want your ball
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handlers to set up
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SPEAKER_01: screens to get an advantage at the point of the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we want to do the opposite as defenders, right?
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So if we're giving up space,
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we're going to allow the offensive player to maybe –
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SPEAKER_01: do a move towards the screen and then reject us,
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SPEAKER_01: get us off balance,
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SPEAKER_01: or maybe do the opposite,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Fake the reject and then come off the screen with an advantage.
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That's not going to be possible if we engage and smother the
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ball handler as soon
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SPEAKER_01: as we hear the screen is coming.
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Now,
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some pushback from players might be,
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well,
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if I get that close,
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they'll just take off.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, we'll think about that for a second.
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Number one,
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our coverage is designed for them to use the screen,
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not to refuse it,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: So we're pretty much okay there.
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And if you engage the ball handler hard enough and they use it
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before it's set,
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what are we in?
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SPEAKER_01: We're in a moving screen violation, right?
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We always want to speed up the offense,
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especially when they're trying to set up the offense.
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SPEAKER_01: So engaging,
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SPEAKER_01: really,
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you don't have to be worried about the guy taking off because
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you might get an
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SPEAKER_01: illegal screen or your coverage is going to be ready for you.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay,
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SPEAKER_01: we can see here,
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SPEAKER_01: Dwayne Wade's son,
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SPEAKER_01: I believe Zaire,
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SPEAKER_01: engages as he hears the screen coming,
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SPEAKER_01: and now he's going to get up and over.
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SPEAKER_01: The last point I'll make,
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you can see already the amount of points I'm making on the
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simplest thing as
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SPEAKER_01: engaging the ball handler.
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But the more you engage the ball handler,
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the better your path of recovery will be.
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SPEAKER_01: and I do this breakdown for my teams every year,
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SPEAKER_01: and the returners probably get tired of it,
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SPEAKER_01: but hopefully it's a refresher.
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SPEAKER_01: If I'm giving space,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'll try and draw it here,
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SPEAKER_01: if I'm giving space a cushion and that ball screen is set,
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the offensive player has almost a direct line coming off the
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screen and getting
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SPEAKER_01: downhill.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I tell the guys, I'm the defender in the demo.
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SPEAKER_01: Someone's setting the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: The ball handler hasn't moved.
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SPEAKER_01: We're going at no speed.
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And I tell the offensive player,
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ball handler,
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take three steps going off the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: And he does.
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SPEAKER_01: One, gets to the point of the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Two, now he's kind of turning the corner.
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SPEAKER_01: And three, he's downhill towards the basket.
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Now,
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as the defender,
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especially if I'm giving space at the start,
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my first step is
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SPEAKER_01: is up to get over the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I've wasted a step.
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So I'm now having to what I should have been doing at the first
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start engaging
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SPEAKER_01: right now I have to make up for that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: So I have to step over.
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SPEAKER_01: Now I have to step around.
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SPEAKER_01: Now I'm turning the corner.
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SPEAKER_01: And now I'm getting downhill to at least ride the offensive player.
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SPEAKER_01: It's taken him three steps.
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SPEAKER_01: It's taken me four steps.
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SPEAKER_01: Whenever there's a disadvantage,
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SPEAKER_01: especially in step count to the defender,
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SPEAKER_01: you're out of the play,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because the offense ultimately gets to the side when the race starts.
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SPEAKER_01: And the defender is always going to be a step disadvantage.
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And now we're two steps disadvantage because we're giving space
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at the point of attack.
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SPEAKER_01: Instead,
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SPEAKER_01: if we engage and get chest to chest,
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SPEAKER_01: we smell the breath,
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SPEAKER_01: we smell their BL and we're right up on their shirt.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, now we have the exact same path using the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: So now those three steps are equal to our three steps.
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SPEAKER_01: So engaging takes away the reject.
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SPEAKER_01: takes away their ability to shake and bake you,
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SPEAKER_01: and also gives you a better line of recovery to navigate that screen.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to show some clips just of my red flag, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That's getting rejected.
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To me,
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there is no bigger cardinal sin in ball screen coverage than
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getting rejected.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, the players I coach know that it is an instant trigger for me.
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SPEAKER_01: In the beginning of the year,
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SPEAKER_01: if it happens in practice,
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SPEAKER_01: you're sure to hear a long whistle and a whole diatribe probably.
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if you're in a game especially early in the year you're
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probably going to hear the
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buzzer right just so you can get out off the floor and it's
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just it's a standard
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that needs to be set because when you get rejected you can see
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in the clip this
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player is trying to cheat the screen i can go on a whole
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tangent about cheating the
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screen but he looks over his shoulder to see the screen he
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tries to take a step
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SPEAKER_01: with his lead foot to get over the screen
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SPEAKER_01: But in doing so, it kind of really opens his hips.
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And now the offensive player just has to do one cross dribble
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and he's a ready buy.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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And what we see here,
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two players immediately out of the play when you get rejected.
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SPEAKER_01: You and your teammate who's getting ready in coverage.
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So now we have an immediately four on three situation just by
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getting rejected.
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SPEAKER_01: This player does flip his hips, right?
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So he does angle the ball towards the screen,
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but he didn't engage the ball.
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And so when you're giving space,
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it doesn't matter what your feet angle is.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter what you're trying to influence.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're giving space, the offensive player can go either way.
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SPEAKER_01: If anything, you're exposing your top foot for the reject.
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SPEAKER_01: And now you're not in a great position to recover.
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SPEAKER_01: I might have included too many clips of the reject,
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but let's keep going on it because this is a great example of
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how a scheme needs to
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SPEAKER_01: fit with your coverage option,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: And that's really the first part of the clinic.
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If we're looking at the full clinic,
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this is just a part of it,
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the point of attack part of it.
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SPEAKER_01: but if you are a no middle team,
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SPEAKER_01: right,
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you can see the player probably giving a no middle stance to
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the ball player on the
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SPEAKER_01: wing,
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SPEAKER_01: and this screen comes quickly,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: This player just maybe came off a floppy action,
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and now the screener's immediately running into a wing ball
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screen setting at
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SPEAKER_01: middle.
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SPEAKER_01: The on-ball defender is in a no middle stance,
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SPEAKER_01: and as this ball screen comes,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe the communication is late,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe it's not heard,
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SPEAKER_01: maybe the flip your hip technique isn't executed,
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SPEAKER_01: So now the on-ball defender has really poor hip angles,
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and now the offensive player just automatically rejects it and
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puts two players
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SPEAKER_01: behind the play.
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And again,
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we're into an immediately four-on-three situation just by
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getting rejected.
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SPEAKER_01: That's why,
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SPEAKER_01: to me,
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SPEAKER_01: getting rejected,
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SPEAKER_01: that's the number one thing we have to coach how not to do,
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SPEAKER_01: and that's engage and funnel into the ball screen.
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SPEAKER_01: And one there, quickest way to get a highlight.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, now we talk about we're engaging the player.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, how do we actually navigate the screen?
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There are two main techniques to navigate the screen that I see
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most often.
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SPEAKER_01: This is probably the one I hear coaches instructing the most.
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SPEAKER_01: It's actually not my favorite, but let's dive into it anyway.
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SPEAKER_01: I call it knifing over, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You're knifing over.
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SPEAKER_01: You're trying to get a quick advantage.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can see Thibel here.
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SPEAKER_01: He's not engaged completely to the ball handler.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not the perfect clip, but he's going to be in a defensive stance.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you're a super athletic player,
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SPEAKER_01: you can actually sneak your closest foot over the screen,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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To try and avoid being screened and stay in your slide and stay
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in your stance.
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So you're gonna try and knife that closest foot over the screen
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and try not to get
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screened at all and stick with him chest to chest in your
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defensive slide.
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And Theibel is obviously a phenomenal defender,
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and he is super agile in his defensive stance.
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And so he's able to keep that pressure and also slide and kind
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of knife that top
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SPEAKER_01: foot over the screen and really erase the screen in some cases,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Not even get screen and stay body to body.
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SPEAKER_01: If he does happen to get clipped,
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SPEAKER_01: right,
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SPEAKER_01: he tries to reach that top foot over and he does get clipped.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, now he's automatically in recovery mode.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see him turn into a turn and run using a crossover step.
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SPEAKER_01: And now he's in recovery mode, right?
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He needs to get back in front of that offensive player to
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square him back up.
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SPEAKER_01: Here he goes again, knifing over.
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And we'll see a really beautiful play of a knifing over clip
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later on with Kihei
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SPEAKER_01: Clark when we talk about leverage and recovery angle.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's knifing over.
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The second technique to get over and navigate a ball screen is
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called what I call
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SPEAKER_01: the pivot over,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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And this is what I see more often when I break down great
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on-ball defenders,
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SPEAKER_01: especially in ball screen situations.
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SPEAKER_01: So Chris Ball used to be a master at navigating ball screens.
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SPEAKER_01: here are some examples of him using the pivot over.
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SPEAKER_01: So instead of trying to move your closest foot,
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SPEAKER_01: your inside foot up and over the screen,
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SPEAKER_01: we actually use it as an anchor foot.
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SPEAKER_01: And instead we swing our outside foot.
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SPEAKER_01: And for those listening,
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SPEAKER_01: this might be hard to visualize,
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but we swing our outside foot up and over the screen using our
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closest foot,
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SPEAKER_01: our inside foot as the pivot.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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And now we have a great angle of recovery,
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similar to the offensive player.
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SPEAKER_01: And now we're hip to hip trying to get back into space to square him up.
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When coaches say get skinny,
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this is typically what they're imagining,
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right?
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Swinging that far foot over top of the screen and now giving
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ourselves an angle of
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SPEAKER_01: recovery back over the top of it.
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I will say that this clinic is mostly focused on coverages that
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involve getting
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SPEAKER_01: over and fighting over the screen.
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Getting under the screen is a little different,
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so we won't be touching on that too much.
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This clip has Marcus Smart,
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great engage,
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especially in middle ball screen.
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You can see he's completely dictating the way the offensive
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player has to use the
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SPEAKER_01: screen,
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SPEAKER_01: giving him one direction so he's engaged,
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SPEAKER_01: no reject,
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SPEAKER_01: and then uses the pivot over to get through.
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SPEAKER_01: Here's that
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SPEAKER_01: That clip of Kia Clark, University of Virginia, great on-ball defender.
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You can see he is chest to chest with this offensive player as
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the screen comes,
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and he's just going to knife over and really plow his way
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through that screen on
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SPEAKER_01: the top side.
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SPEAKER_01: But because he's already attached, already shoulder to shoulder,
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SPEAKER_01: Right in that offensive player's shirt, the knife over works perfectly.
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SPEAKER_01: But for a lot of players who aren't going to be in that super tight,
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SPEAKER_01: super athletic build,
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SPEAKER_01: that pivot over is going to be a great solution as well.
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SPEAKER_01: Once he does get through the screen,
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SPEAKER_01: we can't just continue to ride the hip of the offensive player,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Luka is great at that.
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He gets the player on his back,
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on his hip,
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and he just kind of hostage dribbles them,
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right?
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And a lot of offensive coaches are now teaching that hostage
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dribble or at the very
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SPEAKER_01: least,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: a battle of hip to hip.
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SPEAKER_01: The offensive player has the advantage, right?
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And usually the rest will even give them the advantage to when
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we try and wall up.
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If we're just playing hip to hip,
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we have to separate a little bit and get into recovery.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think the best example of this is in the full court.
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SPEAKER_01: You have a lot more space, so it's a little different, right?
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SPEAKER_01: But when you're beat in the full court, what do you do as a defender?
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You don't stay hip to hip and just continue to ride the
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offensive player,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: No,
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you have to detach a little bit and beat him to a spot to
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square him back up so you
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SPEAKER_01: can gain a little bit more control of the play.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't want to just ride the hip.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can see here,
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he gets over the screen and he's going to recover into space so
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that he can square
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SPEAKER_01: up the offensive player.
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SPEAKER_01: And now he's back in legal guarding position.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we've talked about engaging.
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We've talked about getting over that first step,
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whether it's a pivot over or a knife over.
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Well,
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now we need to not only get over the screen,
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but get over it with leverage,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because we don't want to just be trailing the play.
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SPEAKER_01: We got to be almost dictating the play.
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So many defenders,
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especially young ones,
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think of defense as reactionary,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: What's the offense going to do to me?
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SPEAKER_01: I like to think of defense as, you know, we're in control.
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SPEAKER_01: We want to have disruptive control.
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SPEAKER_01: We want,
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SPEAKER_01: if the offense is going to do something,
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SPEAKER_01: it's because we're forcing them to do it that way,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: We want to blow up these screens.
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SPEAKER_01: So we need leverage the fight over.
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If we just give the offense all the leverage they want,
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what are they going to do?
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to put their shoulder to the hip of the screener,
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SPEAKER_01: or maybe even lower,
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SPEAKER_01: whatever you're teaching on offense,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: You want your
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SPEAKER_01: your ball handlers to go shoulder the hip, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So the defense can't get through.
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SPEAKER_01: That's because they have the leverage.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to flip that.
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SPEAKER_01: So as a defender,
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SPEAKER_01: we need to not only be body to body,
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SPEAKER_01: but what I like to teach is forearm over upper arm.
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This is a teaching point I've stolen from Calipari when he was
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at Kentucky.
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SPEAKER_01: And you'll see in these clips,
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Kentucky has great ball screen navigation,
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and it's because of how much leverage they get.
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So you can see the defender here putting his forearm over the
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upper arm of the offensive player.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll see another clip here.
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And this is going to keep him accountable to how close we need
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our players,
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right?
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Because it's one thing you see a lot of players maybe put their
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hand on the
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SPEAKER_01: offensive player's hip,
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but you can get fully extended chasing over that screen and
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still have a little bit
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SPEAKER_01: of contact
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with the hip but you have no leverage you're just trailing the
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play if you have a
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forearm over the upper arm of the offensive player you have the
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leverage to not
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only get through the screen but give yourself enough space so
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the offense can't go
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shoulder the the hip right they have to give you space through
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it so let's see some
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SPEAKER_01: more clips here
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SPEAKER_01: This is a good one here.
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SPEAKER_01: Forearm over upper arm, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Gets chest to chest.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of coaches say, well, they'll call a foul.
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SPEAKER_01: The refs in high school call a lot of fouls or whatever level you're at.
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SPEAKER_01: But let me tell you,
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SPEAKER_01: Yes,
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if it's like a chicken wing and you're trying to put your
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forearm over his upper
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SPEAKER_01: arm and you have a lot of cushion between you and you're reaching,
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SPEAKER_01: yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: it looks like a foul.
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But when you're engaging your chest to chest and you're getting
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your forearm over
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SPEAKER_01: the upper arm of the offensive player,
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SPEAKER_01: now you can steer him at a far angle from that screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Here we go again.
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SPEAKER_01: Forearm over upper arm.
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SPEAKER_01: Keeps them accountable to the distance.
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SPEAKER_01: We want them to be engaged and gives them the leverage of recovery.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a throwback in the vault.
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SPEAKER_01: This is Andre Robertson.
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SPEAKER_01: Used to play for OKC, was one of my favorite defenders.
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SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, he suffered an injury.
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SPEAKER_01: and never really got back to full swing, but he was a lockdown defender.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see him using the forearm over upper arm.
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I mean,
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completely annihilates the ball screen,
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and that's how we started,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: We talked about erasing screens.
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SPEAKER_01: Right here, we don't need a drop coverage.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't need anything.
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SPEAKER_01: We just have a one-on-one defender completely erasing that ball screen.
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SPEAKER_01: There is no advantage gained from that,
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SPEAKER_01: and that's because he's using all the techniques we talked about so far.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, we've talked about the offensive player.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about the things you teach your offensive player,
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SPEAKER_01: you want to go hip to hip,
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SPEAKER_01: and all the things we're trying to counter,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: How you set up the screen, we want to take away that setup.
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You want to create great leverage,
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we want to take away and give ourselves leverage.
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SPEAKER_01: But that was the on-ball player.
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SPEAKER_01: It also, we have to talk about the point of attack for the screener.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's dive into that.
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SPEAKER_01: And the first tip I want to talk about is steering the screener.
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So you can see PJ Tucker,
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Gobert's trying to come up here and set a ball screen.
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SPEAKER_01: As we know,
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SPEAKER_01: we want to set our ball screens,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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probably at the back hip of the offensive player to give our
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ball handlers a great
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SPEAKER_01: advantage.
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What PJ Tucker does is he is steering Gobert so high that he
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can't even get to
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SPEAKER_01: James Harden,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: He's trying to slip it.
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SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even get a great angle.
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So he's pushing Gobert and he's going to make that screen much
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higher than Gobert wanted.
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You can see Gobert wants to slip right through it before the
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switch happens.
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SPEAKER_01: PJ Tucker's not letting that happen.
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He's steering Gobert higher and allowing Harden the opportunity
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to switch under.
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SPEAKER_01: and then they switch off perfectly.
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SPEAKER_01: And this goes for any coverage,
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SPEAKER_01: not just switching,
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SPEAKER_01: although these clips are going to be predominantly switching.
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SPEAKER_01: But even if we're hedging,
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SPEAKER_01: if we're dropping,
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SPEAKER_01: if we're doing anything,
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steering the screener higher than they intended is always going
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to give us an
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SPEAKER_01: advantage,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because now maybe we steer it higher and we have a get underline, right?
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SPEAKER_01: For us, we have a get underline that's about
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three feet beyond the three point line any screen set there
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we're just going to
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automatically get under so if we can steer the screen outside
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of scoring zone it's
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always going to be better for us but either way we're going to
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prevent them from
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getting good angles if we're being physical with the screener
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we're not allowing
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them to create separation so we're going to be there for the
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hedge for the trap for
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the switch and especially if we're switching we're going to
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allow our player to get
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SPEAKER_01: under or navigate that switch a lot easier
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I think one of the hardest things to guard is an offensive
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screener that can
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SPEAKER_01: constantly create separation between the coverage.
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SPEAKER_01: If you have a guy who's relentless at sprinting to every screen,
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SPEAKER_01: at creating separation before he gets to that screen,
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SPEAKER_01: it's always going to put your coverage in a bind,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Whether you're trying to hedge and now there's too much separation,
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SPEAKER_01: the split is open or the hedge is late.
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SPEAKER_01: Now we're in a foul situation.
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SPEAKER_01: The trap is late.
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SPEAKER_01: The switch is late.
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SPEAKER_01: He's got so much advantage.
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SPEAKER_01: coming downhill onto a drop coverage.
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There's so many things if you're not being physical with the
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screener or if that
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SPEAKER_01: screener is really good at creating that advantage.
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SPEAKER_01: For those watching, we're just seeing some more clips.
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Okay,
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so that's really the fundamental ground floor we want to set
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with our players,
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right?
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When we're talking about navigating the point of attack of the
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screen as the on
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ball and steering and being physical with the screener so that
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we're at the point
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SPEAKER_01: of attack as well with our secondary defender in our coverage.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you have any questions right now about those two things we covered?
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I like the fact that you continue to emphasize the physicality
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that's needed.
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And you used a few different words,
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but instead of being the reactor,
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being the aggressor.
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SPEAKER_00: And from reading even your other books,
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that's kind of a key part of it that may be overlooked
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sometimes from coaches is
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SPEAKER_00: that
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SPEAKER_00: what ends up happening is the players who,
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SPEAKER_00: like you said,
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SPEAKER_00: are either nervous,
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they're going to get beat or what they're going to do is going
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to cause a foul or
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SPEAKER_00: going to cause the player to get by them.
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SPEAKER_00: When in actuality,
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SPEAKER_00: if you are the aggressor,
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SPEAKER_00: you're going to prevent the things that the offense is trying to do,
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SPEAKER_00: which when we put it in offensive terms,
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SPEAKER_00: they're trying to create an advantage,
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SPEAKER_00: either a size advantage or a positioning advantage.
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And you are just simply attempting to neutralize that as
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quickly as possible because
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SPEAKER_00: But that only happens when you are the aggressor.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's a very simple thing that the techniques are not always.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the details like you showed, you have to do those well.
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But that mindset shift and that mindset change will make a huge
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difference.
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: Successful defense is the end result of the equation of effort,
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SPEAKER_01: intensity,
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SPEAKER_01: and physicality,
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SPEAKER_01: and execution technique and all those other things.
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If you don't have the mindset,
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if you don't have your guys playing hard and physical...
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it doesn't matter.
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You're never going to be able to reach the pinnacle of your
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defensive success if
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SPEAKER_01: you don't have that physicality and intensity on the defensive end.
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And you'll just be playing catch-up with your techniques and
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coverages and
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SPEAKER_01: adjustments and all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: You'd be driving yourself crazy.
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And I talk a lot about physicality,
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I think,
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in some of the defensive talks I give.
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And sometimes I get pushback at coaches with the fouls,
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which I mentioned.
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And just to circle back to that point,
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when I first started coaching,
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there was –
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SPEAKER_01: a push where fouls meant bad defense, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I remember Bo Ryan and maybe even Greg Popovich talking about it.
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SPEAKER_01: I think we've gotten to the point now that's really not the case.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, stupid fouls is bad defense, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Fouling a jump shooter when,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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fouling a guy and giving them an N1 when we could have walled
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up successfully and
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SPEAKER_01: things like that.
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SPEAKER_01: But there are some fouls that I'm completely fine with giving.
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And if we're giving fouls at the point of attack instead of at
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the basket,
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I'm much more happy.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what we're trying to do.
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We're trying to impose our will from the get-go,
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not just at the back end of the play.
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There is an advantage to setting the tone,
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not only with refs,
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but with the other team as well.
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And even statistically,
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I looked into it because it was something I wanted to research
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deeper.
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SPEAKER_01: Do fouls equal bad defense?
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SPEAKER_01: And across the NCAA for the last 10 years,
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SPEAKER_01: across the NBA for the last 10 years,
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there is absolutely no correlation between foul frequency and
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defensive rating.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a straight line.
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SPEAKER_01: You have teams that foul a lot who are really good at defense.
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And you also have teams that don't foul at all and are really
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bad at defense and vice versa.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of different ways to get it done.
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SPEAKER_01: And fouls don't only mean bad defense.
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SPEAKER_01: The Warriors, for example, and Houston men's basketball, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Those are teams that foul a lot, but are great defenses.
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If you think about teams that don't foul a lot,
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it doesn't mean they're playing great defense.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it just means they're not in position to foul, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of times the worst defenses foul the least because,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: they're getting blown by.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not in help rotations.
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SPEAKER_01: They're always not in position.
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SPEAKER_01: And so there's no chance to foul.
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SPEAKER_01: So sometimes when you just look at the raw foul metrics,
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SPEAKER_01: it's not an indication of good or poor defense.
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SPEAKER_01: You got to dive into it deeper.
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Can you clarify one more thing when you were talking about the
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system and the
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SPEAKER_00: philosophy that you have within your half court defense,
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SPEAKER_00: for instance,
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SPEAKER_00: being a no middle or being a pack line,
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SPEAKER_00: does that change then the point of attack situation?
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SPEAKER_00: specifically the person who's guarding the basketball?
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SPEAKER_01: I think so.
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I think we as coaches always want to strive to put our
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defenders in the best
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SPEAKER_01: position to succeed.
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SPEAKER_01: And so if we have a scheme that says,
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SPEAKER_01: okay,
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SPEAKER_01: we're guarding this guy,
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SPEAKER_01: we're going to influence them or force them middle,
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SPEAKER_01: We're a pack line team.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe we don't want to give a baseline.
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: when that ball screen comes,
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SPEAKER_01: if it's sending it middle,
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then we're in position to funnel the ball handler already to
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the coverage.
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SPEAKER_01: It would be quite drastic if you imagine you're a pack line team, right?
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So every time the player's guarding the ball,
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he's thinking,
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don't get beat baseline.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't get beat baseline.
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SPEAKER_01: His foot angles have been habituated to him.
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SPEAKER_01: He already got everything locked in that way.
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And then the ball screen coverage comes and you decide you want
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to start icing ball screens.
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SPEAKER_01: it's hard to make sense of that decision, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Especially for the own ball guy.
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SPEAKER_01: He's constantly concerned with not giving up baseline.
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SPEAKER_01: And now when he hears screen,
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SPEAKER_01: screen,
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SPEAKER_01: screen,
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SPEAKER_01: screen left or whatever,
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now he has to jump and completely break the habit he's
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instilled in himself.
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SPEAKER_01: And you've hopefully instilled in him.
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SPEAKER_01: And now he has to funnel the player baseline.
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SPEAKER_01: And that whole shift is,
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of momentum is going to put him behind the play,
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or he's not going to execute it perfectly.
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SPEAKER_01: So now he's going to get beat topside anyway,
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or maybe the communication is not going to be there for him to
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flip his hips either
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SPEAKER_01: way.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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So now he doesn't hear the screen coming and now he doesn't
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even flip his hips.
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SPEAKER_01: So now that, you know, you're not, you're not in the ice.
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SPEAKER_01: So,
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SPEAKER_01: If your scheme isn't compatible with your ball screen coverage,
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there's gonna be a lot of chances for that coverage to break
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down at the point of
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SPEAKER_01: attack.
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SPEAKER_01: And when your coverage breaks down at the point of attack,
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SPEAKER_01: it's usually gonna lead to a rejected ball screen.
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SPEAKER_01: And that, as we covered, is one of the worst things that could happen.
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SPEAKER_01: And same thing if you're a no middle team, right?
27:46
SPEAKER_01: Like you get your guys forcing them baseline,
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SPEAKER_01: you have no middle stance,
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and then you want them to flip their hips completely and funnel
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them into a hard
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SPEAKER_01: hedge.
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SPEAKER_01: It's always going to be hard for the on-ball defender.
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SPEAKER_00: There were a couple things,
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SPEAKER_00: both offensively and defensively,
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a few years ago where there were inconsistencies once I sat
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down and thought
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SPEAKER_00: through it.
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SPEAKER_00: And as a result,
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that caused my players to either react slowly or to have to
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think twice before they
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SPEAKER_00: did something.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's the last thing that you want.
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SPEAKER_00: You want your players playing instinctively.
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SPEAKER_00: And to your point,
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SPEAKER_00: if you've done a good job of instilling those habits,
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SPEAKER_00: then you should be able to flow quickly into the next thing,
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SPEAKER_00: whether that's something on the offensive end or the defensive end.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm totally in agreeance with that.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a challenge to me several years ago,
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and it might be to someone listening now to really think
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through what you're doing
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SPEAKER_00: in this regard,
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SPEAKER_00: ball screen coverage.
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SPEAKER_00: Does it fit with my overall scheme?
28:39
SPEAKER_01: As an offensive coach, you're scouting your opponent.
28:43
You want to find those flaws and exploit them in a defensive
28:46
system that your opponent's using.
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SPEAKER_01: For us, we want to mask them or hopefully not have many.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, I won't say that
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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the schemes I teach and have success with have absolutely no
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flaws at all and no
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SPEAKER_01: holes.
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But it's knowing that there's a hole and knowing that if that
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does start to be
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SPEAKER_01: exploited,
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SPEAKER_01: what you're going to do about it.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yes, you want to.
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We're striving to always put our players in position to succeed
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and create systems
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SPEAKER_01: where everything links together.
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It's certainly defense is certainly not about putting together
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a random shopping
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SPEAKER_01: list of things you thought looked good in a clinic,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
29:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this icing thing looks cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Let me put it in.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're a Pac-19 doesn't make any sense.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: So you want to make sure your things fit together.
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But if you do have a discrepancy in your system,
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hopefully it's a small one.
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SPEAKER_01: And hopefully you're prepared for the moment a coach attacks it,
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SPEAKER_01: what you're going to do about it.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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So just to wrap up kind of the point of attack defense for ball
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screen coverage,
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SPEAKER_01: we've laid the foundation,
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SPEAKER_01: hopefully,
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SPEAKER_01: of good technique.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about effort and all that other stuff.
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But what about the little little savvy tricks and we can
29:52
warrior things that we can
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SPEAKER_01: maybe help players get an event,
29:55
SPEAKER_01: an extra advantage,
29:56
SPEAKER_01: not only to doing the technique and doing it with effort,
29:58
SPEAKER_01: but maybe some tricks that could help them even further.
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SPEAKER_01: So first thing I'm going to talk about is Lou Dord.
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SPEAKER_01: And I love watching Lou Dord.
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SPEAKER_01: He's one of my favorite defenders to watch.
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SPEAKER_01: Without a doubt, I promise you, you watch the OKC Thunder play.
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SPEAKER_01: I think they play tonight.
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Ludor gets a moving screen violation almost every game,
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sometimes multiple a game.
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SPEAKER_01: The reason he does that,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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sometimes it's because he engages the ball handler and he has
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so much on-ball
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SPEAKER_01: pressure that the guy takes off before the screen's set,
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SPEAKER_01: right?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's going to leap.
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SPEAKER_01: Another reason he gets so many on-ball screen,
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: ball screen,
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SPEAKER_01: illegal ball screens called,
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SPEAKER_01: is how forcefully he tries to go over them.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So you'll see in these clips, he's using the pivot over technique.
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SPEAKER_01: And like a lot of coaches say, get skinny.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what they're imagining.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: He's not imagining that.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's why I really don't like to use the term either.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want our guys to play skinny.
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SPEAKER_01: I want our guys to play big and strong.
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SPEAKER_01: And so Lou Dort, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Screen set.
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SPEAKER_01: He's pivoting over, but he's pivoting over with so much force.
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SPEAKER_01: There's no way you're going to stop him from getting over this screen.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you do get in his way, he's going to let you feel it, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like Kobe Bryant talking about in the redeem team.
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SPEAKER_01: The first screen pal sets on him.
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SPEAKER_01: He's going through sometimes.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's maybe too extreme flagrant foul, whatever these days.
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SPEAKER_01: But it also sets the message right away.
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I used to have a player that would blow up the first screen of
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every game.
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SPEAKER_01: And sometimes they would call a foul.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they wouldn't.
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Sometimes they would call an illegal screen,
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which is the case for Lou Dort a lot of times.
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When he's going over so physically and forcefully and you get
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in his way as the
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SPEAKER_01: screener,
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SPEAKER_01: the ref is in a position that he has to make a call.
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SPEAKER_01: And because Lou Dort is using the pivot over, he should be fine.
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The screener is kind of sliding into his area,
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or at least it looks like that.
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And he gets hung up on this screen here and forces the ref to
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make a decision.
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SPEAKER_01: Was he moving?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, he was.
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SPEAKER_01: Again here,
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SPEAKER_01: he's going over so forcefully with this pivot over technique,
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SPEAKER_01: he's going to create contact sometimes.
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And when that contact is made,
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number one,
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hopefully you're setting a tone to the screener.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't screen me anymore this game, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Or at least, you know, maybe you'll definitely see it.
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SPEAKER_01: You hit a guy in the chest real hard trying to get over a screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Next time, maybe he loosens up and rolls early, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And here we see Lou Dort hits the screen trying to get over it.
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SPEAKER_01: Offensive foul.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's a turnover.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's also a foul.
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SPEAKER_01: It's almost it's the equivalent really to taking a charge.
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SPEAKER_01: And we love taking charges.
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SPEAKER_01: We love moving screens.
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SPEAKER_01: I know I do.
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You can see Marcus Smart even breaking this down in some kind
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of conversation he
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SPEAKER_01: was having on the court.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see he demoing in slow motion.
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SPEAKER_01: Boom.
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SPEAKER_01: He's using the pivot over technique.
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SPEAKER_01: and he is trying to ram his inside shoulder to that defender,
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SPEAKER_01: the offensive player who's setting the screen,
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SPEAKER_01: his hip.
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SPEAKER_01: He wants to open up that screener, right?
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And at the very least,
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he's creating contact for a chance to call a moving screen.
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If our players are constantly thinking about getting skinny and
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not getting hit,
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SPEAKER_01: which is sometimes useful depending on your defender,
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SPEAKER_01: but a lot of times it's going to make them so...
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Hesitant to create contact and take such long paths around
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plays where really
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you're masking illegal screens that are being set on you or
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maybe calls that you
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SPEAKER_01: could get become illegal screens.
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SPEAKER_01: So Marcus Smart talking about opening the hip of the screener with force.
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SPEAKER_01: Same thing he's going to talk about sending a message to the guy.
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SPEAKER_01: And then he's also going to talk about grabbing.
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SPEAKER_01: We see offensive players sometimes grab the leg of the screener.
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SPEAKER_01: Marcus Smart also likes to do that,
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so he's going to use the pivot over and reach his inside hand
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to the leg of the
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SPEAKER_01: screener,
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SPEAKER_01: and that's going to allow him not only to get through the screen,
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it's instantly made it clear that he has separation between him
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and the offensive
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SPEAKER_01: player,
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SPEAKER_01: but it's also going to allow him to pull himself through
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SPEAKER_01: and delay probably the roller's roll, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And trip maybe that guy up too.
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SPEAKER_01: And at full speed,
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SPEAKER_01: bang,
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SPEAKER_01: bang,
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SPEAKER_01: it is really hard to see those little nuances of the games as a ref,
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SPEAKER_01: even though to us watching in slow motion,
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SPEAKER_01: it might look like a foul.
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SPEAKER_01: But using a forceful pivot over,
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using maybe a sneaky grab of the leg to pull yourself through
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and prevent a quick
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SPEAKER_01: roll,
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SPEAKER_01: those are all tips that really give you an advantage navigating screens.
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SPEAKER_01: Right here,
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SPEAKER_01: We have the most predictable dribble in basketball.
34:43
SPEAKER_01: This is a funny story.
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I think a month ago I was driving somewhere and a player I used
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to coach as like an
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SPEAKER_01: eighth grader in AAU called me up.
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SPEAKER_01: He's dabbled into coaching as a manager and stuff in college.
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He called me up just to chat and he said he's been playing
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pickup more and he's
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SPEAKER_01: been using this technique and he's been getting a lot of steals.
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SPEAKER_01: And I said, what technique is it?
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SPEAKER_01: He says, the one you taught me about the most predictable dribble.
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SPEAKER_01: It is so funny.
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SPEAKER_01: The light bulb moment that happens sometimes for players.
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SPEAKER_01: what's the most predictable dribble in basketball?
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SPEAKER_01: To me,
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it's coming off a ball screen because when the offensive player
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comes off the ball
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SPEAKER_01: screen,
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SPEAKER_01: that ball is right there every time.
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SPEAKER_01: So as the player defending the ball screen,
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usually defending the screener,
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you know exactly where the ball is about to be.
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SPEAKER_01: To me, that's the most predictable dribble.
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SPEAKER_01: And when we hedge or when we trap, we always go for a steal there, right?
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SPEAKER_01: We poke through that area.
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SPEAKER_01: And then if we don't get it, that's fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Then our chest is there and we're in our trap or our hard hedge.
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But you'll be surprised at how many steals you get just knowing
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the ball is going
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SPEAKER_01: to be right there off that screen.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see University of Virginia when they hedge,
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they're almost spearing through that spot and creating a lot of
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fumbled balls and
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SPEAKER_01: turnovers sometimes.
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SPEAKER_01: Most predictable dribble, little swipe there, gets the ball.
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SPEAKER_01: Now there's been no screen, right?
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SPEAKER_01: He had to retreat just to get the ball back.
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SPEAKER_01: It's also good if you maybe have extremely long arms.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't particularly teach this,
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SPEAKER_01: but if you're dealing with a player with extremely long wingspan,
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maybe they can even poke it away knowing that that dribble is
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coming as well.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see we got a clip of Anthony Edwards doing it there.
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Another little tip,
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you know,
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just to create turnovers in the ball screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Jokic is great at this.
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SPEAKER_01: Not the most agile defender.
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Obviously,
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you know,
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not going to be a defensive player of the year candidate.
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SPEAKER_01: But he is really good at disrupting ball screens and drop coverage.
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SPEAKER_01: And he does it by being active with his hands in the coverage.
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SPEAKER_01: So he is constantly...
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giving a little stunt or a little swipe at players as they come
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off the screen.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, it's a predictable dribble.
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SPEAKER_01: Not only because they're trying to attack,
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SPEAKER_01: but also they have a defender usually on their other hip.
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SPEAKER_01: So that ball is going to be there.
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And Jokic is great at constantly swiping when guys try and pick
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up maybe for a pull
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SPEAKER_01: up,
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pick up to pass the ball or just stunting in general as they're
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trying to,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: size up or hostage dribble.
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And Jokic gets a lot of these kind of swipe away steals in this
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situation.
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SPEAKER_01: So again, it's just about being active a little.
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The more we know what the offense is going to do,
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the more advantage we gain,
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right?
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SPEAKER_01: Anticipation.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't have to constantly be wondering, right?
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Now we can be in the driver's seat knowing what's about to
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happen and how we can
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SPEAKER_01: take advantage of it.
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SPEAKER_01: So those are some tricks.
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Hopefully they help or at least help send the message in your
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ball screen defense.
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SPEAKER_00: I love the predictable dribble.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I wrote about it actually about probably 2019,
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SPEAKER_00: 2018,
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SPEAKER_00: whenever that was when Zion Williamson was at Duke.
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SPEAKER_00: He did a great job.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I called it though,
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like switch and attack where he would be really aggressive in
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that ball screen and
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SPEAKER_00: just got a ton of steals off of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm surprised that more people don't do it,
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SPEAKER_00: but I also understand probably more so with like drop coverages.
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That guy's not always necessarily up even,
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even at the level of the screen.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
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Another one of those where maybe it fits into your system and
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maybe doesn't.
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SPEAKER_00: But like you said,
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it will definitely get you some more steals if that's what
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you're looking for.
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SPEAKER_00: This has been great.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure that there are coaches who want the entire clinic.
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SPEAKER_00: So can you point them not only to that,
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SPEAKER_00: but then also to some of the other things that you have available?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure thing.
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SPEAKER_01: This is really just a third of the clinic.
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The first part is about how that scheme coverage fits together,
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which we kind of touched on.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's the first third.
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SPEAKER_01: We just looked at the second third, which was the point of attack.
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And now you can see how much clips and time is left on this
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video right here down
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SPEAKER_01: at the bottom of this of these clips I've been showing.
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SPEAKER_01: But there's a whole second third.
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SPEAKER_01: Focus on all eight main coverages,
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SPEAKER_01: the teaching points I use,
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SPEAKER_01: the keys,
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SPEAKER_01: the adjustments of when things aren't working.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't always just have to go, oh, that's not working.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's try something else.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's about adjusting the coverage, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You don't want to just be...
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SPEAKER_01: You don't want to just have a bunch of coverages.
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SPEAKER_01: You want to be a master of a coverage, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So that, you know, if this isn't working, why isn't it working?
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SPEAKER_01: Do we have to adjust how we're tagging it?
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SPEAKER_01: Do we have to adjust the level of the drop?
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SPEAKER_01: So on and so forth.
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SPEAKER_01: So we cover all eight of the most common coverages.
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SPEAKER_01: We talk about the techniques,
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the skills used in each of them and the adjustments you'll need
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and the weaknesses
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SPEAKER_01: of them as well.
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So if you want to find that full clinic,
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it's almost two hours of ball screen talk.
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If this wasn't enough for you,
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you can find it at lockdownhoops.com or even
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lockdowndefense.com.
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SPEAKER_01: We have a bunch of clinics there.
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You can find also the Lockdown Academy if you want to focus not
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only on ball screen
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SPEAKER_01: defense,
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but in terms of getting an individual player to become maybe
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from average to good
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SPEAKER_01: and good to great and become a lockdown defender.
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SPEAKER_01: We have a whole academy,
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which is over 400 hours of video dedicated to on-ball defensive
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development.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's a great resource as well.
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and any other clinics you're thinking about defensively,
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they're probably on the site.
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SPEAKER_01: And if they're not,
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SPEAKER_01: email me,
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SPEAKER_01: follow me on Twitter,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'll shortly be looking at it.
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SPEAKER_01: I always love new topics to dive into.
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SPEAKER_00: As usual, awesome stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Coach, I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing.
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SPEAKER_00: Thanks, anytime.