Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #90: Mental Health Quackery: Why is Morgan Geyser still so messed up? Mark analyzes how terrible choices and delusions are ratified by therapists rather than rebuked. It's a societal trend that explains "gender affirming care" and all of the other dysfunction that isn't recognized for what it is. Also, are all the ADHD pills leading to other drug abuse? And, our weekly football preview just in time for the Packers and Thanksgiving

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Mark Belling Podcast #90: Mental Health Quackery: Why is Morgan Geyser still so messed up? Mark analyzes how terrible choices and delusions are ratified by therapists rather than rebuked. It's a societal trend that explains "gender affirming care" and all of the other dysfunction that isn't recognized for what it is. Also, are all the ADHD pills leading to other drug abuse? And, our weekly football preview just in time for the Packers and Thanksgiving · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: I want to open today's podcast by reminding you of
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Speaker 2: a lawsuit that was filed a few days ago. It's
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Speaker 2: gotten a fair amount of attention. The families of two
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Speaker 2: young people who committed suicide are suing chat GPT. Chat
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Speaker 2: GPT is by far the largest search engine premise on
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. The individuals who committed suicide have been asking
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Speaker 2: chat gpt about suicide and suicidal thoughts. Now, as I
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Speaker 2: say it's artificial intelligence, they call these things chatbots. In
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Speaker 2: other words, it's robotic, it's based on program I'm thinking.
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Speaker 2: And the response is that chat GPT gave them, didn't
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Speaker 2: do anything to talk to them out of suicide. It
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Speaker 2: essentially validated their suicidal thoughts. We understand why you feel
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Speaker 2: like this, etc. So lawsuits are being filed here that
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Speaker 2: rather than use common sense, chat GPT showed no sense whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: I'm going somewhere with this. Chat ept is based on
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Speaker 2: automated learning, all sort of sorts of inputting what are
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Speaker 2: we saying now to all the young people in our
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Speaker 2: society who are screwed up or delusional or have bad thoughts,
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Speaker 2: instead of knocking them into reality and telling them to
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Speaker 2: stop thinking this way, all we're doing is validating artificial
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Speaker 2: intelligence only knows what it's been told. There is a
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Speaker 2: story in the news right now that I think relates
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Speaker 2: Line believes service is essential, not an option. Morgan Geiser
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Speaker 2: has waived extradition. She's back in Wisconsin from Illinois. I'm
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Speaker 2: guessing that a lot of you have seen the video
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Speaker 2: of her arrest in post in Illinois from the body
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Speaker 2: cameras of the police officers down there. I'm assuming you've
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Speaker 2: seen it right. Yeah, everybody's seen. This is a young
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Speaker 2: woman now twenty three, who about a decade ago, talked
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Speaker 2: a friend of hers into attempting to kill Their goal
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Speaker 2: was to kill a classmate. They're bout fourteenth time. The
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Speaker 2: idea was to kill the classmate. Less than that, actually
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Speaker 2: kill the classmate to please this slender bad somebody that
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Speaker 2: they actually thought was real, some sort of fictional hero.
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Speaker 2: Until a few months ago, Morgan Geyser has been in
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Speaker 2: a statemental facility. That's where she's been sentenced. A judge
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Speaker 2: earlier in the year ruled she's cured enough to be released.
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Speaker 2: She had been in a halfway house in Madison wearing
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Speaker 2: a GPS bracelet. We know now quite a bit about
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Speaker 2: what happened. She met somebody even more screwed up than her,
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Speaker 2: apparently at a church. The guy's name is Chad Mecca.
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Speaker 2: He's a biological male, and he's a lot older than her.
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Speaker 2: He's transitioning, or at the very least considers himself trans
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Speaker 2: She was dabbling in that herself. At one of her
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Speaker 2: quarter herings earlier in the year, she declared that she's
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Speaker 2: a male. She no longer declares that way. She's cut
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Speaker 2: her hair short, she's got a name that could be
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Speaker 2: male or female. And now she's made a friend with
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Speaker 2: a guy who's starting to identify the other way, who's
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Speaker 2: a lot older than her. According to the reports, he
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Speaker 2: was visiting her at the halfway house and would sneak
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Speaker 2: in through a window and together they must have made
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Speaker 2: this plot that she's going to bust out. She cut
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Speaker 2: off the bracelet and got to pose in Illinois, which
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Speaker 2: is a little bit south of the Chicago metro area.
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Speaker 2: They were found by police kind of laying around outside,
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Speaker 2: apparently out of money, no real plan in mind. The
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Speaker 2: body cam video is I thought it was sort of heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: Here you have two they're just misfits. You've got this
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Speaker 2: older guy who's apparently deciding that he's going to be
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Speaker 2: a woman. He's got the goofiest hair. He's got like
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Speaker 2: short hair, but then he grows it a little bit
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Speaker 2: long and dyes it pink. And here's her. She was
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Speaker 2: screwed up, and she thought of Fittle character was real,
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Speaker 2: so real that she was taking instructions in the fictional
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Speaker 2: character to kill a friend. She then spends about a
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Speaker 2: decade in a mental institution. She gets out. She has
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Speaker 2: no friend, she has no connections, she has no anything.
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Speaker 2: She meets this guy, another odd ball. The two odd
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Speaker 2: balls bond and they make this run for it. In
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Speaker 2: the bodycam video, when the posing Illinois police encountered, they
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Speaker 2: didn't know how she was. There's just two people that
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Speaker 2: are sleeping in the backyard on the backside of a building,
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Speaker 2: and they question her and she doesn't want to give
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Speaker 2: up her identity. She doesn't want to give her up
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Speaker 2: her identity because of course there's a war dout for
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Speaker 2: her because she fled Wisconsin, so she's not giving her identity,
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Speaker 2: not giving her identity and referring to this Chad Mecca
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Speaker 2: as she and kept saying she didn't know who I was.
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Speaker 2: She didn't know who I was, She didn't know who
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Speaker 2: I was. Trying to make sure that this Chad doesn't
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Speaker 2: get in trouble for fleeing with somebody who's not supposed
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Speaker 2: to flee. My guess is he probably didn't know what
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Speaker 2: she had done. Bumped into her halfway house. She may
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Speaker 2: have come up with something and probably didn't fess up
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Speaker 2: and said, yeah, I tried to stab a friend of
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Speaker 2: mine to death. She was pretty adamant about that and
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Speaker 2: everything else was true. She eventually gave her identification. The
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Speaker 2: cops kept saying, well, I don't think you wanted for
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Speaker 2: murder or anything like that. Well, in fact, it was
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Speaker 2: almost murder. It was attempted murder. And she kept saying
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Speaker 2: I did something very bad. She didn't know, And you
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Speaker 2: see the two of them standing together, kind of like
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Speaker 2: hugging one another. My guess is that this is your
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Speaker 2: only friend of the world, and it's a fellow person
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Speaker 2: who's living outside any kind of any kind of anything
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Speaker 2: that we living outside of normal. I go back to
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Speaker 2: the chat shept responses given to the people who are suicidal?
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Speaker 2: What kind of treatment has Megan more guys are been
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Speaker 2: getting all of these years. I'll tell you what I
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Speaker 2: suspect she's been getting. It's the same message that we're
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Speaker 2: sending to all the trans people in our society. You're
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Speaker 2: perfectly fine validating every idiotic nincompoop choice that they can make,
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Speaker 2: instead of giving her tough love and telling her what's
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Speaker 2: real and what isn't and to get into the real
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Speaker 2: world and no, there's not a slender man, there's none
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Speaker 2: of this, there's none of that, and then telling her
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Speaker 2: you're a young woman you're a girl, you're a young woman.
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Speaker 2: Every odd selection and choice she was making was probably
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Speaker 2: reinforced by the shrinks that win a bago when she
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Speaker 2: was up there. She gets released, her head is almost shaved. She's,
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Speaker 2: I guess, still a girl in her own mind. I
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Speaker 2: have to think of that she's a guy and the
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Speaker 2: first person that she's a trans attracted to is a
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Speaker 2: male who's deciding that he's now a t They run off.
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Speaker 2: There's no real plan, there's no money. She just decides
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Speaker 2: that she's gonna bust out. She probably feels totally trapped
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Speaker 2: in the halfway house before the attempted slender man murder.
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Speaker 2: What guidance did she get at home? Now? I get that, okay,
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Speaker 2: my kids into unusual things, and who am I to judge?
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Speaker 2: You're raising a murderer. Has anybody at any point in
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Speaker 2: Morgan Geyser's life tried to straighten her out by redirecting
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Speaker 2: her to reality. We live in a world in which
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Speaker 2: the misfits have now validated their misfitness. There's nothing wrong.
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Speaker 2: I'm okay, you're okay. Well you're not okay. You're miserably
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Speaker 2: unhappy and you're dysfunctional. I don't believe everyone in psychiatry
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Speaker 2: and counseling is a quack, but I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of them are. Some of them their own lives are
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Speaker 2: more screwed up than the people that they're treating. I
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Speaker 2: think Morgan Geyser has been victimized by bad guidance her
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Speaker 2: entire life. You heard her, I mean, I think she's
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Speaker 2: probably still dangerous because she's not tethered to any reality.
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Speaker 2: But I can't honestly say it's her own fault. When
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Speaker 2: you saw her in the video, she just seemed like
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Speaker 2: a nice, mixed up kid who finally found somebody that
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Speaker 2: she could bond with. Another misfit in society, pink hair
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Speaker 2: coming off of a crew cut, a mail hanger. We
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Speaker 2: can't live in a world in which we try to
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Speaker 2: put every round circle into a square box. But there
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Speaker 2: are certain things that people are doing that are never
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Speaker 2: going to lead to happiness, And instead of telling them
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Speaker 2: that it's okay, maybe we need to go back to
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Speaker 2: understanding that a lot of the attitudes and beliefs and
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Speaker 2: weirdnesses that people have are actual problems that they need
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Speaker 2: to be talked out of, not have reinforced. I don't
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Speaker 2: think the people at Winnebago have done. Morgan, guys are
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Speaker 2: a damn bit of good. How good they She's acting
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Speaker 2: just as weird as she did ten years ago when
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Speaker 2: she thought that slender Man wanted her to kill somebody.
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Speaker 2: How could we even say that that's her fault. Imagine
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Speaker 2: you're a kid and you know you don't fit in,
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Speaker 2: so you decide to dabble in really weird stuff and
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Speaker 2: you start believing weird things. Nobody talks you out of it,
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Speaker 2: nobody sits you down. You don't have any parents who
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Speaker 2: try to redirect you in any kind of proper way
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Speaker 2: toward right and wrong and morality and God. Then you
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Speaker 2: do something terrible and they punish you forward and you
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Speaker 2: go to a mental institution. And what did they ever
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Speaker 2: do to redirect her? We know this, there's probably not
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Speaker 2: a moment that she was exposed to any religion whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: We do know that she went to a church in
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Speaker 2: Madison when she was at the Halfway House. That's at
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Speaker 2: least good. But who does she meet this She meets
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Speaker 2: this guy, and again I don't know what kind of
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Speaker 2: a church it is. Is it one of these wicked
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Speaker 2: churches or is it a legitimate church?
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Speaker 3: It.
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Speaker 2: Everybody on the left considers us bigots if we try
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Speaker 2: to suggest that people are behaving weirdly, how are you
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Speaker 2: helping them? Telling people no, telling people not, telling people no,
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Speaker 2: don't do this to your life, and directing them toward
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Speaker 2: a path that might find actual long term fulfillment. We
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Speaker 2: don't do any of that anymore. As for this Chad Mecca,
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Speaker 2: they released him in Illinois on no charges, and it
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Speaker 2: doesn't sound to me like he did anything illegal. Did
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Speaker 2: he know that she's not alive? I mean she cut
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Speaker 2: an ankle bracelet on an electronic monitoring bracelet. Off probably
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Speaker 2: knew that. Did he know what she did? Don't know that?
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Speaker 2: Does he know the rules on her? I'm guessing she
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Speaker 2: didn't fess up to it. This looks like another just
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Speaker 2: sad case of somebody not fitting in, and instead of
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Speaker 2: being told no, you're a guy, decides that he's a woman.
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Speaker 2: Figured maybe I'll be happier as a woman because I'm
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Speaker 2: completely miserably unhappy, can't find anybody to connect with. So
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Speaker 2: he sees another sad soul to people who have nothing
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Speaker 2: going on in their lives, so they attach and they bond.
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Speaker 2: Who are we helping with all of this, I'll contend nobody.
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Speaker 2: I want to move to another story that I find related.
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Speaker 2: I've had an opinion for years, and I love this one.
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Speaker 2: You know, people like me will have these opinions based
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Speaker 2: on anecdotal eleven are quack. You don't know anything about this,
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Speaker 2: and then years later you start to see the consensus
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Speaker 2: moving around in that direction. This is a major story
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Speaker 2: that appeared earlier in the week in the Wall Street Journal.
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Speaker 2: When I say major, it goes on and on and
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Speaker 2: on and on. It's a hell of a story. The
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Speaker 2: story is reporting on what it states is overwhelming evidence
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Speaker 2: of a link between kids who are put on the
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Speaker 2: ADHD pills becoming long term drug addicts. The story reports
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Speaker 2: that young people who are prescribed ADHD medication are far
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Speaker 2: more likely to become a day did to hard narcotics
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Speaker 2: later in life for many kids. Hey, this is the headline.
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Speaker 2: For many kids. Add ADHD pills kick off a drug cascade.
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Speaker 2: Children prescribed met the medication often wind up on other
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Speaker 2: powerful drugs. Again, I'm not saying that none of these
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Speaker 2: drugs have a use. You've got these kids that have
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Speaker 2: attention deficit disorder and they put them on the riddle
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Speaker 2: in on the whole thing. But does anybody ever write
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Speaker 2: any of this, think about the long haul? How do
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Speaker 2: they get off? And given that the only normal that
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Speaker 2: they then have for the first you know, fifteen to
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Speaker 2: the first twenty years of their life, is this normal
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Speaker 2: under medication, they have to gravitate to more medication. They've
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Speaker 2: never lived a non medicated moment in their lives, maybe
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Speaker 2: from seven years old on. I've been on this repeatedly.
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Speaker 2: We're going to come to the conclusion about pot and
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Speaker 2: the same thing. There are so many cases of people
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Speaker 2: on pot becoming extremely violent. I think that there's a
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Speaker 2: link between pot and the people who want to do
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Speaker 2: trans I think the pot is so powerful that it's
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Speaker 2: make the linking pot and schizophreny is real. Again, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean everybody uses pot, gets said, but it is
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Speaker 2: a side effect that is there. I don't know this,
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Speaker 2: but I would not be shocked if Morgan Geyser was
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Speaker 2: popping pills before a slender Man occurred, and that they
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Speaker 2: were popping her pills right and left when she was
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Speaker 2: in the shrink house up there in Oshkosh. And again,
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Speaker 2: these pills are helpful for many people. But go back
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Speaker 2: to COVID. I kept preaching against one size fits all,
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Speaker 2: and then we know with regard to these kids, that
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Speaker 2: some of these kids sell the pills that they get
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Speaker 2: and then the dosage thing, take one a day every day,
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Speaker 2: the same amount every day. You think that that's what's
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Speaker 2: actually going on in life. These pills are dealing with
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Speaker 2: the chemicals that are affecting your brain and move jay.
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Speaker 2: What could go wrong? And again I'm not indicting them overall,
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Speaker 2: and not indicting everyone that prescribes them. But when you
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Speaker 2: take a look at the lot of the problems that
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Speaker 2: we have with the lack of motivation and the tendency
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Speaker 2: towards violence, and the level of depression, and people that
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Speaker 2: seem to have every I mean, the millennials, they thought
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Speaker 2: that they were being raised in the worst generation in
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Speaker 2: American history. Went by every measure you could imagine, it
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Speaker 2: was the best. How were they feeling so screwed up?
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Speaker 2: Is it because they were all on some kind of pill.
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Speaker 2: And now they've got a bunch of hucksters out there
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Speaker 2: telling use cannabis, use this, use that after the ADHD pills,
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Speaker 2: and then when the pot doesn't do enough, then it's
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Speaker 2: the opioids, that it's the myth. Anyway, it was like
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Speaker 2: Cranks and the Right questioning this over the years because
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Speaker 2: we were noticing, well, something's going on, what's causing it?
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Speaker 2: If I had more time in this segment and I don't,
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Speaker 2: I talk about the things that must be leading us
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Speaker 2: forward autism, I think it's all connected. My point now
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Speaker 2: is the Wall Street Journal, which is about as conventional
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Speaker 2: thinking as you can find, they're now on this story.
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Speaker 2: I hope RFK lasts in his job because I think
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Speaker 2: that he's somebody open minded enough to be willing to
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Speaker 2: explore things like this. But if you go back and
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Speaker 2: take a look at every dysfunction we have, it's the drugs,
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Speaker 2: the drugs that drugs, the drugs, and I'm not talking
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Speaker 2: crack and all of that stuff. I mean drugs that
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Speaker 2: are sold legally by big Pharma, big Farmer. You know
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Speaker 2: how much money they're making off of Riddlin and the
18:45
Speaker 2: classes of drugs like like the Riddlin. They have every
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Speaker 2: reason dot to tell you that they're perfectly fine, no
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Speaker 2: side effects, nothing to worry about it. In the same
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Speaker 2: way that that's the message that they gave us with
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Speaker 2: regard to COVID and the same region that they talk
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Speaker 2: us off of generic drugs that don't cost much of anything.
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Speaker 2: But I get that they're the drug companies. They're in
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Speaker 2: it to make a buck. They want to tell you
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Speaker 2: that the pill that we're selling is good and this
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Speaker 2: one or this cheap one over here is no good.
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Speaker 2: The rest of us in society have no particular reason
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Speaker 2: to accept them as gospel. You have too many doctors
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Speaker 2: that are on the path of the drug companies because
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Speaker 2: of the incentives that they're giving for prescribing, and then
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Speaker 2: the people that are in the public health field easily swayed.
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Speaker 2: Every kid is mixed up. I mean, when I was
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Speaker 2: a kid, it wasn't the crappy mean things that people
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Speaker 2: post on the internet about. You know what, I think
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Speaker 2: you're probably the same thing when people when kids are
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Speaker 2: mean to one another in the sixth or seventh grade,
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Speaker 2: what were they doing and what form did that bullying
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Speaker 2: take place? You're gonna you get close to these things
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Speaker 2: and then get farther away. You're like the golfer. You're
19:57
Speaker 2: twelve feet away from the hole, and you may the
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Speaker 2: putt and you get to four feet and now you
20:01
Speaker 2: got to tap in but you hit it two hundred
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Speaker 2: and now it's seven feet and you just kick you
20:04
Speaker 2: getting farther and farther away. It was no Remember the
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Speaker 2: notes that were passed in the class the notes, the notes,
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Speaker 2: the notes. You don't you didn't have that in your
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Speaker 2: school all. You don't recall that. Well, maybe that was
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Speaker 2: already open the time you were in there. The girls
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Speaker 2: had passed notes like in the fifth and sixtory notes,
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Speaker 2: this one's this it you know whoshi and you know
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Speaker 2: the notes notes, notes, because there's nothing else to communicate,
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Speaker 2: and you couldn't. Maybe by the time you were in school,
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Speaker 2: you could just out and out talk right in the classroom,
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Speaker 2: so they didn't have to pass the notes. So, I mean,
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Speaker 2: kids pressure. Every kid thinks that the thing that they're
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Speaker 2: facing is the end of the world. I mean, why
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Speaker 2: would a fifteen year old commit suicide? You got seventy
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Speaker 2: five eighty years of life in front of your things
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Speaker 2: to get better. Do you ever just think it's so worse.
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Speaker 2: I'm just glad they didn't have some pill that somebody
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Speaker 2: would have thought of to give me. Who knows. We
21:01
Speaker 2: prescribe things without ever considering the long term ramification of
21:05
Speaker 2: them because we don't know the long term because they're
21:07
Speaker 2: mostly new. But if you're looking for why things that
21:14
Speaker 2: never existed really before are so common, now, ask yourself
21:18
Speaker 2: what changed. You will inevidently find that somebody was making
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Speaker 2: a buck off the thing that changed, and that the
21:25
Speaker 2: media and the left was shilling for that bad thing
21:33
Speaker 2: to this day. I don't know if the COVID vaccines
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Speaker 2: were any good or I still don't know, But if
21:38
Speaker 2: in fifteen to seventeen years everybody's immune system is going
21:41
Speaker 2: to be shot, I think you can cook back and say, well,
21:43
Speaker 2: maybe we shouldn't have been messing with our immune system,
21:46
Speaker 2: or maybe we should. But whenever anybody tries to ask
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Speaker 2: any questions, I'm sure the same thing happened when the
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Speaker 2: Riddlin and all this stuff was being prescribed right and left.
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Speaker 2: Parents were just told this is what your kid needs,
21:57
Speaker 2: this is what your kid needs. In some cases maybe
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Speaker 2: it was, but I know dog gone well that in
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Speaker 2: many cases it wasn't. You don't know anything. Who are
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Speaker 2: you to question? You're listening to the Markdelling podcast. This
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Speaker 2: is the Mark Belling Podcast. Interesting column on the Wall
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Speaker 2: Street Journal by Jason Riley. He's dealing with the juggling
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Speaker 2: act that President Trump is trying to perform. Trump ran,
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Speaker 2: as we all know, Mega America first, now, he asked
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Speaker 2: the governor, and going back to a discussion point that
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Speaker 2: I made in the earlier segment, one size fits all.
22:48
Speaker 2: Trump is also somebody who just prides himself on common sense,
22:52
Speaker 2: and sometimes his common sense idea doesn't fit in with
22:56
Speaker 2: the mega doctrinaire ideology. The point of this column deals
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Speaker 2: with the H one B visus. I want to share
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Speaker 2: a portion of it. And by the way, I agree
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Speaker 2: with Trump. I think that we need H one B
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Speaker 2: visas for specific jobs in our economy, that we do
23:16
Speaker 2: not have enough Americans with the skills to perform them.
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Speaker 2: I disagree with the people who say that we do.
23:23
Speaker 2: I think it's apparent that we don't. You have the
23:27
Speaker 2: CEO of Ford come out and say that they're are
23:31
Speaker 2: from one hundred twenty thousand dollars a year for mechanics.
23:33
Speaker 2: By the way, people heard that and they think that
23:34
Speaker 2: I'm talking about people who work in the audio. No,
23:36
Speaker 2: the mechanics who work at the factory, in other words,
23:40
Speaker 2: high skill mechanics. Of course we have a shortage of them.
23:49
Speaker 2: But boy o boy ol boy do. We do not
23:51
Speaker 2: have a shortage of people who majored in women's studies
23:54
Speaker 2: in college and every other kakamaimi thing for which they're
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Speaker 2: so jobs. Here's the Jason Riley piece. He writes, it
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Speaker 2: has become unfashionable on the political right to say nice
24:08
Speaker 2: things about foreign nationals, even the ones who came here lawfully.
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Speaker 2: Just ask Donald Trump, who has struggled to convince the
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Speaker 2: megabase that legal immigration is a net benefit to America.
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Speaker 2: To America, welcome to my world, mister President. Part of
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Speaker 2: the problem has been White House inconsistency on the issue.
24:29
Speaker 2: Trump's position on illegal immigration isn't in doubt, but he
24:33
Speaker 2: can seem indecisive, even self contradictory when discussing migration policies
24:38
Speaker 2: for those who play by the rules. Last year, for example,
24:41
Speaker 2: he sided with Elon Musk, a staunch proponent of the
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Speaker 2: H one B work visa program typically used by foreign
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Speaker 2: professionals and fields such as engineering, technology, and medicine. Musk
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Speaker 2: said he would go to war to defend migration for
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Speaker 2: skilled workers. Quote the reason I'm in America along with
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Speaker 2: so many critical people who build SpaceX, Texla, Tesla and
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Speaker 2: others or of other companies that made America strong is
25:08
Speaker 2: because of H one B, Musk wrote in a social
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Speaker 2: media post in December. Trump soon after told The New
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Speaker 2: York Post that he too has quote always been in
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Speaker 2: favor of the program. Now it goes on. I want
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Speaker 2: to make the following point. The problem with H one
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Speaker 2: B visas is I think they're wrong in some fields
25:26
Speaker 2: but needed in others. It's the same problem with wholesale
25:31
Speaker 2: legal immigration. For example, when we start resettling legally so
25:35
Speaker 2: called refugees from countries in which the people hate the
25:38
Speaker 2: United States, I think the visa should be applied. This
25:43
Speaker 2: is me now for people who are working in fields
25:46
Speaker 2: in which they have a skill that we need, but
25:50
Speaker 2: not for anybody else. So again, is legal immigration good.
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Speaker 2: It depends. Things do depend And I think that Trump
25:59
Speaker 2: is trying to show some common sense here and say, Okay,
26:02
Speaker 2: we need H one B visas for text, but maybe
26:04
Speaker 2: we don't need to take in a zillion more refugees
26:10
Speaker 2: from Somalia who want to come to the United States
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Speaker 2: and change everything that we have going on in our world.
26:15
Speaker 2: Back to the column was the White House suggesting that
26:18
Speaker 2: hiring practices of the president's own businesses undercut the wages
26:21
Speaker 2: and employment opportunities of US workers, and threat in national security.
26:25
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell. What we do know is that
26:27
Speaker 2: since signing the order, Trump has made several statements in
26:30
Speaker 2: support of immigrant labor. The piece goes on and then
26:33
Speaker 2: points out that this is unsettling to some in MAGA world. Now,
26:38
Speaker 2: the thing about MEGA is MEGA is about ninety million people,
26:44
Speaker 2: and they have different views on all sorts of things.
26:47
Speaker 2: All you though have to do is talk to an
26:49
Speaker 2: employer who owns a business or as part of charge
26:54
Speaker 2: of hiring in a business that can't find qualified workers.
26:57
Speaker 2: At a time in which the economy seems to be slowly,
27:01
Speaker 2: we have shortages in any number of areas for all
27:04
Speaker 2: sorts of reasons. I'll add a point that nobody ever adds. Again,
27:10
Speaker 2: the pot is a big part of this. Many of
27:14
Speaker 2: the fields in which their shortages are fields the drug test,
27:17
Speaker 2: because you can have somebody operating high tech equipment or
27:22
Speaker 2: dangerous machinery when they're stoned. You have so many Americans,
27:26
Speaker 2: and in so many states where they've legalized the pot,
27:28
Speaker 2: that they've made themselves either ineligible or don't desire to
27:33
Speaker 2: go into the fields in which they're going to be
27:34
Speaker 2: drug tested. In the meantime, the behind the scenes of
27:43
Speaker 2: the Trump administration following post on social media, Susie Wiles
27:49
Speaker 2: reportedly on the hot seat is Trump's chief of staff.
27:52
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles, who was his campaign manager, is clearly and
27:57
Speaker 2: you saw when she was in the champaign. Susie Wiles
27:59
Speaker 2: is the person that tried to keep Trump focused. And
28:02
Speaker 2: I'm sure Susie Wills right now was the one that
28:04
Speaker 2: is trying to keep all the mega types away from Trump.
28:10
Speaker 2: I talk a lot about how Trump is his own
28:12
Speaker 2: good cop, bad cop and dealing with others, but in
28:14
Speaker 2: terms of his own staff, he needs a chief of
28:16
Speaker 2: staff who's going to be the bad cop. Many people feel, however,
28:21
Speaker 2: that Trump and I recall the same thing happened with
28:24
Speaker 2: Reagan's a saying in the Reagan administration, Let Reagan be Reagan.
28:28
Speaker 2: Reagan had two sets of advisors in his administration. He
28:31
Speaker 2: had kind of the true believer, a true believer California
28:34
Speaker 2: conservatives who came with him, and then he had the
28:36
Speaker 2: pragmatic James Baker types who were more traditional Republicans, and
28:42
Speaker 2: a lot of conservatives are frustrated that Reagan was wandering
28:44
Speaker 2: off too much into the middle and into the pragmatic
28:47
Speaker 2: because he was listening to these old school of Washington advisors.
28:53
Speaker 2: My own opinion is the chief of staff a chief
28:56
Speaker 2: of staff that Trump hass has to block off both sides.
29:00
Speaker 2: You don't want him going all Washington. On the other hand,
29:03
Speaker 2: you don't want him to go all Marjorie Taylor Green.
29:07
Speaker 2: We still do have a country to run. I listen
29:11
Speaker 2: to some of the things that Tucker Carlson says, and
29:12
Speaker 2: I think that he's lost his marbles. Trump spending too
29:15
Speaker 2: much time on foreign policy. What he's supposed to let
29:19
Speaker 2: the world go to hell. There's no reason why you
29:21
Speaker 2: can't do both. What We're not better off if there's
29:25
Speaker 2: a peace deal in the Middle East, we're not better off.
29:27
Speaker 2: If he can finally bring peace to Ukraine and Russia,
29:30
Speaker 2: of course we're better off. And it certainly affects us.
29:33
Speaker 2: A world going to hell affects us badly. So you've
29:42
Speaker 2: got Trump in here, who I think is just hell
29:45
Speaker 2: bent on being a successful president, and he realizes that
29:51
Speaker 2: some things you can't always be stridently ideological on because
29:54
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, it does depend We have tens
30:01
Speaker 2: of millions of Americans who know how to play computer
30:03
Speaker 2: video games that don't have a clue as to how
30:05
Speaker 2: to do software coding. The shortages in that field are incredible.
30:11
Speaker 2: Walk past one of the big downtown Milwaukee higher office
30:15
Speaker 2: high rises. You know who works on the hi rise?
30:16
Speaker 2: To the tech people?
30:17
Speaker 3: Do?
30:19
Speaker 2: I mean? I live near Northwestern Mutual. You can't tell
30:25
Speaker 2: everybody's ethnicity from them walking down the street, but it
30:27
Speaker 2: surely looks like a lot of people from India are there.
30:30
Speaker 2: Why are they hiring people from India? Who else is
30:33
Speaker 2: going to do all of these jobs? All the people
30:38
Speaker 2: that have three hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt
30:41
Speaker 2: while they're running around with their English literature major, they're
30:45
Speaker 2: social work majors? Or are they just flunked out and
30:49
Speaker 2: they're not trained at anything. Let me turn my attention
30:58
Speaker 2: to the Democratic lawmakers that are encouraging American troops to
31:04
Speaker 2: disobey illegal orders. The FBI is now beginning a criminal
31:09
Speaker 2: investigation into this couple of things with regard to this story.
31:15
Speaker 2: I know what they're up to the Left is trying
31:18
Speaker 2: to sow chaos in this country. You can't have the
31:22
Speaker 2: military not follow the order of the president. You can't
31:24
Speaker 2: have the military not follow any orders. There is a
31:28
Speaker 2: law in this country, or at least a standard, that
31:32
Speaker 2: the troops are not to follow illegal orders. This is
31:36
Speaker 2: tested during the Mayli massacre and other things. What illegal
31:41
Speaker 2: orders did the six Democrats refer to? They didn't say.
31:50
Speaker 2: The reason they didn't say is Trump hasn't issued any
31:53
Speaker 2: illegal orders. Unless the Supreme Court rules that something can't
31:59
Speaker 2: be done, the order is perceived to be legal. Some
32:05
Speaker 2: interesting comments extended threads on social media from Pete Heg Sith,
32:10
Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense. Get that here first, it's in
32:21
Speaker 2: the Department of War, of course, Haig Sith is the Secretary.
32:24
Speaker 2: The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconducting
32:27
Speaker 2: against Captain Mark Kelly. Kelly is the Senator from Arizona.
32:30
Speaker 2: But he's a retired naval officer. By the way, retire
32:34
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can do whatever you want, as they'll
32:36
Speaker 2: point out, in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military
32:40
Speaker 2: Justice and then it mentions the Codecitation number and other
32:44
Speaker 2: applicable regulations. A thorough review of these allegations has been
32:48
Speaker 2: initiated to determine further actions which may include recall to
32:52
Speaker 2: active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures. This
32:57
Speaker 2: matter will be handled in compliance with my military law,
33:00
Speaker 2: insuring due process and impartiality. Further official comments will be
33:06
Speaker 2: limited to preserve the integrity of the proceedings. Then from
33:14
Speaker 2: Hegsas the video made by the seditious Sex was despicable, reckless,
33:19
Speaker 2: and false. Encouraging our warriors to ignore the orders of
33:23
Speaker 2: their commanders undermines every aspect of good order and discipline.
33:28
Speaker 2: Their foolish screen shows doubt and confusion, which only puts
33:32
Speaker 2: our warriors in danger. Five of the six individuals in
33:36
Speaker 2: that video do not fall under the Department of War jurisdiction. Kelly,
33:41
Speaker 2: of course does as announced. The Department is reviewing his
33:45
Speaker 2: statements and actions, which were addressed directly to all troops
33:50
Speaker 2: while explicitly using his rank and service affiliation, lending the
33:54
Speaker 2: appearance of authority to his words. Kelly's conduct brings this
33:58
Speaker 2: credit upon the armed forces and will be addressed appropriately.
34:03
Speaker 2: And then a day later from Hesith the despicable video
34:13
Speaker 2: ordering telling troops to refuse illegal orders may seem harmless
34:18
Speaker 2: to civilians, but it carries a different weight inside the military.
34:23
Speaker 2: This was a politically motivated influence operation. It never named
34:29
Speaker 2: a specific illegal order. It created ambiguity rather than clarity.
34:35
Speaker 2: It used carefully scripted, legal sounding language. It subtly reformed
34:40
Speaker 2: military obedience around partisan distrust instead of established legal processes.
34:47
Speaker 2: In the military. Vague rhetoric and ambiguity undermines trust, creates
34:52
Speaker 2: hesitation in the chain of command, and erodes cohesion. The
34:56
Speaker 2: military already has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders. It
35:01
Speaker 2: does not need political actors injecting doubt into an already
35:05
Speaker 2: clear chain of command. As veterans of various sorts, the
35:09
Speaker 2: seditious six knew exactly what they were doing, so in
35:13
Speaker 2: doubt through a politically motivated influence operation. I want you
35:19
Speaker 2: to imagine for a moment during the eight years of
35:23
Speaker 2: Obama in which all sorts of controversial foreign policy actions
35:30
Speaker 2: were taken. Can you imagine if people on the right
35:36
Speaker 2: urged individuals in the military to disobey orders, you would
35:44
Speaker 2: never have heard the end of it. Everybody knows that
35:53
Speaker 2: Trump is the commander in chief, and everybody knows that
35:55
Speaker 2: the commander in chief has broad discretion in the use
35:58
Speaker 2: of the American milistic in the what the left has
36:02
Speaker 2: never accepted is Trump's legitimacy. By now taking this to
36:07
Speaker 2: the military, they have the potential of upsetting the entire
36:11
Speaker 2: apple cart. If the military doesn't have chain of command
36:14
Speaker 2: where you have to do what you're told, we don't
36:16
Speaker 2: have a military. Can you imagine on D Day if
36:22
Speaker 2: people have the notion that you can question orders. One
36:30
Speaker 2: other point that I want to make, there's this constant
36:32
Speaker 2: from the left changing of the subject or the things
36:34
Speaker 2: that they go after Trump on, in part because nothing
36:37
Speaker 2: ever sticks. It's this, then it's that, then it's the
36:40
Speaker 2: other thing, and then it's off to this, and now
36:41
Speaker 2: we're going to go after the military and tell them
36:43
Speaker 2: to disobey orders. It doesn't stop, but it has the
36:48
Speaker 2: cumulative effect of creating unnecessary chaos. None of it is
36:54
Speaker 2: aimed at addressing actual problems. In the meantime, the actual,
37:00
Speaker 2: most grotesque disobedience of orders is when Joe Biden's administration
37:05
Speaker 2: for four years refused to enforce the law and allowed
37:08
Speaker 2: individuals by the millions to come into the country illegally.
37:13
Speaker 2: That was the mass ignoring of orders at ignoring of
37:16
Speaker 2: the law, and that was done by Democrats who continue
37:22
Speaker 2: to argue that Biden had the discretion to do whatever
37:24
Speaker 2: it is that he wanted, and that's an instance in
37:27
Speaker 2: which we clearly know what the law was. You can't
37:29
Speaker 2: come into the United States illegally, and they allowed people
37:33
Speaker 2: and mass to do it. Best case scenario, they told
37:36
Speaker 2: him to show up for hearing that would be scheduled
37:38
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37:48
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37:51
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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, And I want to applaud you for not
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Speaker 2: start with Minnesota and Wisconsin, which has suddenly become a
39:27
Speaker 2: really interesting game. The Badgers have turned their season around.
39:33
Speaker 2: They've now beaten two ranked teams in the last three weeks.
39:37
Speaker 2: Their defense is as good as any in the country.
39:40
Speaker 2: The fans have now made it a habit of running
39:42
Speaker 2: the field. I guess that's what happens when you start
39:44
Speaker 2: so terrible. At the beginning of the year. They play Minnesota,
39:49
Speaker 2: which is a traditional rivalry game. They play for the axe,
39:52
Speaker 2: you know, Wisconsin and one that acts a zillion years
39:54
Speaker 2: in a row. Minnesota has had it for two seasons
39:58
Speaker 2: in a row. Luke Fickel has never When I watched
40:02
Speaker 2: the end of the Wisconsin Illinois game, a game in
40:04
Speaker 2: which Wisconsin just dominated Illinois defensively and played well enough
40:09
Speaker 2: on offense, I just thought, let down, they're going to
40:11
Speaker 2: phone it in against Minnesota. But Wisconsin does have something
40:16
Speaker 2: to play for here, given you know that that ax
40:19
Speaker 2: is a big thing, they do seem emotionally have turned
40:22
Speaker 2: the corner. But Minnesota is a pretty good team. Give
40:25
Speaker 2: you give me your thoughts on this game.
40:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an interesting matchup. First of all, like
40:30
Speaker 3: you said, Minnesota's won as of recent They've won three
40:34
Speaker 3: or the last four years. Prior to that, Wisconsin had
40:36
Speaker 3: won sixteen of the previous seventeen years, so they had
40:39
Speaker 3: dominated for well.
40:40
Speaker 2: I had said that they can just keep the ax
40:42
Speaker 2: in Madison, but that's finally turned around a bit.
40:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even in Minnesota. Wisconsin's won nine in the
40:48
Speaker 3: last ten meetings in Minnesota, so they've even been successful
40:52
Speaker 3: in Minnesota. Lowest total on the board in college football
40:55
Speaker 3: this week thirty seven and a half LSU. Oklahoma's close again.
41:00
Speaker 3: Two really good defenses, too bad offenses. Basically, in this situation,
41:04
Speaker 3: I really wish for Wisconsin's sake this game was being
41:08
Speaker 3: played in Madison, because Minnesota's got one of the most
41:11
Speaker 3: drastic home road dichotomies in the country. They're six and
41:14
Speaker 3: zero at home. They've won by an average of eight
41:16
Speaker 3: points per game at home. They're zero to four on
41:19
Speaker 3: the road and lost man average of twenty five points
41:21
Speaker 3: per game on the road. They're just a bad road team.
41:23
Speaker 3: Interesting thing in this game, Mark the line opened three
41:27
Speaker 3: two and a half Minnesota and it got knocked down
41:29
Speaker 3: to one and a half. So the money coming in
41:31
Speaker 3: on Wisconsin in this game, and there's an outside outside chance.
41:35
Speaker 3: So Wisconsin wins this game, they could go to a
41:38
Speaker 3: bowl game. I don't think it's gonna happen, but they
41:40
Speaker 3: they go down to five and seventeams. If there's not
41:43
Speaker 3: enough six.
41:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're not enough six and six, they grab
41:45
Speaker 2: five and seven teams in Wisconsin, ending strong could get
41:48
Speaker 2: one of them. End. You know, those lesser bawls become
41:52
Speaker 2: so goofed up because guys go into the transfer portal
41:54
Speaker 2: and you don't know who's gonna play, and half the
41:56
Speaker 2: coaches are gone. But Luke Fikel did say, if we're
41:59
Speaker 2: invited to, we're gonna go. We're never going to turn
42:01
Speaker 2: out a chance to play a game. I think it's unlikely.
42:04
Speaker 2: But more important than that is if they can win
42:08
Speaker 2: the season by beating Minnesota. You can't say that it's
42:11
Speaker 2: a successful season, but you can certainly say that the
42:15
Speaker 2: second half of the season ended on a major upnoe.
42:17
Speaker 2: I think Wisconsin turned the season around in a loss
42:20
Speaker 2: when they went to Oregon and held Oregon to twenty
42:24
Speaker 2: eight points twenty one for most of the game. I
42:26
Speaker 2: thought that that was the turnaround for their season and
42:29
Speaker 2: the game against Illinois. Illinois has a really good offense
42:32
Speaker 2: and a good quarterback and they were just overwhelmed by
42:36
Speaker 2: Wisconsin's defense, including you know, a senior lineman Peterson, who
42:40
Speaker 2: had not shown much all season was just dominant. They
42:44
Speaker 2: got one of their linebackers back to other linebackers real quickly.
42:47
Speaker 2: Have you heard whether or not Mason Posea, the superstar
42:49
Speaker 2: freshman linebacker, will play. He got knocked out at the
42:52
Speaker 2: end of the Illinois game. He's a really important key
42:55
Speaker 2: to Wisconsin.
42:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they don't know. As as of earlier today,
42:59
Speaker 3: it's still questionable. I might be a game time thing,
43:02
Speaker 3: So as of now, I don't know, but there is
43:04
Speaker 3: a chance he's gonna play.
43:05
Speaker 2: In that game. Now, let's turn our attention to Ohio
43:08
Speaker 2: State Michigan. This is another game that's about as interesting
43:12
Speaker 2: as it gets. Ohio State is either the best or
43:15
Speaker 2: the second best team in the country. Indiana's right up there.
43:19
Speaker 2: I guess with them. Ohio State won the national championship
43:23
Speaker 2: last year. They have killed everybody they played. I think
43:26
Speaker 2: their closest game was Week one against Texas and that
43:28
Speaker 2: was fourteen to seven, but that was a dominant fourteen
43:32
Speaker 2: to seven. They've slaughtered everybody. Michigan this year does not
43:36
Speaker 2: have much of an offense at all, decent defense, but
43:39
Speaker 2: you have this Michigan. Since Ryan Day has been the
43:42
Speaker 2: coach of Ohio State, Michigan has Ohio State's number. Last year,
43:46
Speaker 2: when Ohio State won the National championship, they lost at
43:51
Speaker 2: home to Michigan, and the Ohio State I swear they
43:54
Speaker 2: still wanted to fire Ryan Day even though they won
43:56
Speaker 2: a national championship. I mean, it's just the most bizizre
44:00
Speaker 2: thing in a weirdo fact with these Ohio State fans
44:03
Speaker 2: that they seem to care more about winning this game
44:07
Speaker 2: and whether or not they won a national championship. Ohio
44:10
Speaker 2: State's favorite in the game by ten points because they're
44:12
Speaker 2: way better, but it's at Michigan, and Ohio State has
44:15
Speaker 2: had a just incredibly difficult time beating Michigan even when
44:19
Speaker 2: they're better. But you know that's the past, and part
44:23
Speaker 2: of me thinks that becomes the motivation is really on
44:26
Speaker 2: the side of Ohio State. I mean, they've been thinking
44:29
Speaker 2: about this game for a clear year after what happened
44:33
Speaker 2: last year. They're the way better team. Part of me
44:36
Speaker 2: thinks that they could go into Michigan and get this
44:38
Speaker 2: monkey off their back and really smoke them and hit
44:41
Speaker 2: into the game next week with against Indiana. What do
44:44
Speaker 2: you think.
44:45
Speaker 3: There's a couple things on this game. First of all,
44:47
Speaker 3: like you mentioned Michigan's won four games in a row
44:49
Speaker 3: against Ohio State, and they've outscored Ohio State by forty
44:53
Speaker 3: six points in those four games. Yet they've been an
44:56
Speaker 3: underdog in three of those four games, so they've really
44:59
Speaker 3: Last year they were eighteen point underdog and won the
45:01
Speaker 3: game and mission and Ohio State was playing to the
45:04
Speaker 3: Big Ten championship game. The one thing that worries me
45:07
Speaker 3: a little bit about Ohio State you mentioned it, They've
45:10
Speaker 3: had zero adversity this year in the Big Ten. They've
45:12
Speaker 3: won every game by eighteen points or more. What happens
45:14
Speaker 3: if this game's a seven point three point game in
45:17
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. They haven't had any of that this year.
45:19
Speaker 3: None of it. Might get a little tight in that situation.
45:22
Speaker 3: They played an easy Big Ten schedule. The last four
45:25
Speaker 3: teams mark are seven and twenty five combined in the
45:28
Speaker 3: Big Ten. There are three good wins in the Big
45:31
Speaker 3: Ten were Illinois, who's not very good, Minnesota who's not
45:34
Speaker 3: very good, in Washington, so they haven't played a great
45:37
Speaker 3: situation as far as the Big Ten goes. Another thing here,
45:41
Speaker 3: if we want to just quickly look at the Big
45:43
Speaker 3: Ten championship scenarios, same situation last year Ohio Ohio State's
45:48
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. If they lose this game, it doesn't matter.
45:50
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they wouldn't want to win this game,
45:52
Speaker 3: but they're in no matter what. Then they don't have
45:54
Speaker 3: to play in the Big Ten Championship game. That happened
45:57
Speaker 3: last year and they went on to win the national championship.
46:00
Speaker 3: Michigan's only chance to be in the playoffs is to
46:02
Speaker 3: win this game, and then they probably got to win
46:04
Speaker 3: the Big Ten ship.
46:05
Speaker 2: If Ohio State loses, they missed the tiebreaker and they're
46:08
Speaker 2: not in the title game. Correct or Nope, So it
46:11
Speaker 2: would be Indiana versus Oregon.
46:14
Speaker 3: Maybe it would be so if Ohio State loses and
46:18
Speaker 3: Oregon wins, it would be Indiana Oregon. If Ohio State
46:21
Speaker 3: loses and Washington beats Oregon, then it's Michigan Indiana in
46:25
Speaker 3: the champions So Michigan's still has a chance to make
46:28
Speaker 3: the Big Ten Championship and they have to win this
46:31
Speaker 3: game to have a chance at the playoffs. Great game.
46:33
Speaker 3: The line actually dropped. It opened eleven eleven and a
46:35
Speaker 3: half down to ten, So they've had some money coming
46:38
Speaker 3: in on Michigan, probably just because of what's happened in
46:41
Speaker 3: the last four seasons.
46:42
Speaker 2: I want to turn my attention to another thing that's
46:44
Speaker 2: going on. First of all, the college football calendar is
46:49
Speaker 2: all screwed up. Sports. You college sports aren't now pro sports,
46:53
Speaker 2: but in other sports, free agency begins, coaching changes occur
46:57
Speaker 2: at the end of the season. In baseball, you can't
47:01
Speaker 2: sign a team's free agent until after the World Series
47:04
Speaker 2: is over. But in football, the transfer portal opens before
47:07
Speaker 2: the playoff games and before the ball games are played.
47:10
Speaker 2: And with so many teams firing coaches, there are no
47:12
Speaker 2: coaches that are jumping to other jobs before the season
47:16
Speaker 2: is over. The most bizarre case of all is Mississippi.
47:20
Speaker 2: Mississippi is almost certainly going to be in the college
47:25
Speaker 2: football playoffs. They play their art rival Mississippi State this weekend.
47:30
Speaker 2: Their coach, Lane Kiffen is apparently going to quit before
47:34
Speaker 2: they play a playoff game. He's rumored to be up
47:37
Speaker 2: for the LSU job, the Florida job, He's openly courting
47:41
Speaker 2: all of these other schools. The school itself has said,
47:43
Speaker 2: we'll make an announcement after this game. I think Mississippi
47:46
Speaker 2: is fed up with it and would just as soon
47:48
Speaker 2: get him out of there. It's just unheard of that
47:50
Speaker 2: a coach would leave. Well, they're still alive for a
47:54
Speaker 2: national championship. What do you make of all of this?
47:58
Speaker 3: That's crazy situation. First, first of all, that the NCAA
48:03
Speaker 3: did a little bit to change the transfer so the
48:06
Speaker 3: transfer portal doesn't officially open un till January second this year.
48:09
Speaker 2: But the transfer portal say, yeah, it's.
48:15
Speaker 3: Been going on during the season. I mean, that's that's
48:17
Speaker 3: the way it is. But yeah, interesting situation. Egg Bowl,
48:21
Speaker 3: huge game. Mississippi State would like nothing better to beat
48:24
Speaker 3: Ole Miss and Mississippi State if they win, they go
48:27
Speaker 3: to a bowl game. If they lose and they don't,
48:29
Speaker 3: so that's a huge game for Mississippi State Ole Miss
48:32
Speaker 3: with distractions. I mean, if you look at the odds
48:35
Speaker 3: in Vegas right now, the chances of him coming back
48:39
Speaker 3: to Ole Miss aren't good. They're six to one. He's
48:42
Speaker 3: a favorite minus two hundred, which means you'd have to
48:45
Speaker 3: lay two hundred to win one hundred if you bet
48:47
Speaker 3: on him being the next LSU head coach. So there's
48:50
Speaker 3: a good chance he'll be the LSU head coach and
48:52
Speaker 3: leave before the chance before the playoffs, which is like
48:57
Speaker 3: you said, it's unheard of.
48:57
Speaker 2: I don't even know capable of higher a coach that
49:00
Speaker 2: isn't a drama queen. I mean, you had Brian Kelly,
49:05
Speaker 2: you had ed Ojeron, who's half nuts. Before you had that,
49:08
Speaker 2: you had less miles, And now they're going to go
49:11
Speaker 2: to Lane Kiffen, who he could just as easily go
49:14
Speaker 2: jump to another. I mean, when people start griping at
49:18
Speaker 2: college players for hitting the transfer portal and not showing loyalty,
49:22
Speaker 2: give me a break. You have coaches that are willing
49:24
Speaker 2: to walk out on their team in the middle of
49:27
Speaker 2: a season when they're chasing a national championship. I mean,
49:30
Speaker 2: and if Kiffen does take the job at LSU, there's
49:33
Speaker 2: no way he's going to stick around and coach Mississippi
49:36
Speaker 2: for five weeks. I mean, Mississippi needs for recruit It's
49:39
Speaker 2: just a mess, And I don't know. The problem in
49:43
Speaker 2: college boards is it's not a league like the NFL
49:46
Speaker 2: or Major League Baseball. The NCAA only has limited rulemaking powers,
49:50
Speaker 2: and these schools can do pretty much what they want,
49:53
Speaker 2: and they're all in competition with one another and total mess.
49:57
Speaker 2: Let's turt our attention to the NFL. I think the
50:00
Speaker 2: most interesting game of the weekend is the very very
50:03
Speaker 2: first game, the early Thanksgiving game, in which the Packers
50:06
Speaker 2: play the Lions. It's in Detroit, it's on a short week,
50:10
Speaker 2: but the Packers come into the game off of one
50:13
Speaker 2: of their most impressive wins of the season. The Lions
50:16
Speaker 2: come into the game off of a very unimpressive win
50:20
Speaker 2: over the Giants, a game that they may well have lost.
50:24
Speaker 2: Detroit's record on these Thanksgiving games, I think over the years,
50:27
Speaker 2: is it all that good Packers won earlier in the season.
50:32
Speaker 2: What do you I don't know what to think about
50:34
Speaker 2: the Packers and the Lions. I think the Lions are
50:36
Speaker 2: a slight favorite, which makes sense to me, even I'm
50:39
Speaker 2: not sure. What do you think?
50:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, the line opened three and dropped off the key
50:44
Speaker 3: number to two and a half. The Lions are faired
50:45
Speaker 3: by two and a half. Right now, Let's face it,
50:48
Speaker 3: neither team's playing great. I mean they're both two and
50:50
Speaker 3: two of their last four games. Green Bay beat the
50:52
Speaker 3: Giants in Minnesota during that stretch. Detroit's two and two
50:56
Speaker 3: of their last four games. They lost to Minnesota at home.
51:00
Speaker 3: Should have lost last weekend home to the Giants, so
51:02
Speaker 3: they're not playing that well either. You mentioned Minnesota on Thanksgiving.
51:06
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people just think they're good
51:08
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving. Detroita thanks one, yeah, oh sorry, you try.
51:11
Speaker 3: And Thanksgiving they're one and seven the last eight years
51:14
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving, and if you go back twenty years, they're
51:17
Speaker 3: five and fifteen on Thanksgiving.
51:19
Speaker 2: It's so colored intuit if you think a short week
51:21
Speaker 2: in the early game that having that home field would
51:24
Speaker 2: be an advantage. Though some of those years Detroit wasn't
51:26
Speaker 2: any good, but in recent years they've been very good,
51:29
Speaker 2: and they lose that game all the time. And the
51:33
Speaker 2: Packers have won that game a few times over the years,
51:35
Speaker 2: they've lost it. They've played Detroit of this game many
51:38
Speaker 2: times down through the years. Famously, I think it was
51:42
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty two the only loss the Packers had
51:44
Speaker 2: the entire season was on Thanksgiving Day to the Lions.
51:48
Speaker 2: That was probably Vince Lombardi's best team. Brings back some
51:51
Speaker 2: history in the game. So I think it's toss up.
51:55
Speaker 2: Is that where you're you're coming down?
51:57
Speaker 3: Yeah? The line came out three, which is basically say
52:00
Speaker 3: both teams are even and they get a three point advantage.
52:02
Speaker 1: At home.
52:03
Speaker 3: That's what I think. I think that's where it is.
52:05
Speaker 3: I'd probably favor Detroit a little bit at two and
52:07
Speaker 3: a half, but they're just not playing that well. The
52:09
Speaker 3: situation favors Detroit if green Bay this is there. It's
52:13
Speaker 3: a short week on the road. This is green Bay's
52:16
Speaker 3: fourth game in seventeen days, so basically a game every
52:19
Speaker 3: four days, whereas Detroit's fourth game in twenty two days
52:22
Speaker 3: and they're at home. I'd lean Detroit, but it's probably
52:25
Speaker 3: a game we're not going to use. I don't think
52:27
Speaker 3: Detroit's playing that well right now, so we'll probably lay
52:29
Speaker 3: off it.
52:30
Speaker 2: Bears and the Eagles, that's the other game I want
52:32
Speaker 2: to talk about. Two really interesting teams. The Eagles some
52:39
Speaker 2: weeks look really really really good other weeks not the Bears.
52:44
Speaker 2: I don't know if everybody's aware of this, but this
52:46
Speaker 2: blows my mind. The Bears are eight and three, but
52:49
Speaker 2: they've been outscored on the season. That is almost impossible.
52:54
Speaker 2: That means they've lost the three games that they've lost
52:57
Speaker 2: by more combined than the total win margin in the
53:01
Speaker 2: eight games that they've won. They you know, they did
53:05
Speaker 2: it again last week. They beat Pittsburgh in a close game.
53:08
Speaker 2: They would all these close games they come from behind.
53:10
Speaker 2: They now have to go on the road playing the
53:13
Speaker 2: Eagles in an important game for Philadelphia. Philadelphia's defense has
53:18
Speaker 2: been very good, the offense has been inconsistent. The Eagles
53:23
Speaker 2: are favored by a lot of points. Given that the
53:25
Speaker 2: Bears have the better record of the game. I think
53:28
Speaker 2: almost everybody thinks this is the week that the Bears
53:30
Speaker 2: get smoked.
53:31
Speaker 3: Do you well, it's an interesting situation. Well, you mentioned
53:35
Speaker 3: the Bears. They have a negative point differential and a
53:37
Speaker 3: negative yards per play differential and they're the number three
53:40
Speaker 3: seed right now in the NFC.
53:42
Speaker 2: Paul says that they're both eight and three. I thought
53:44
Speaker 2: that Philadelphia had was one last poor.
53:46
Speaker 3: But they have the same record anyway, eight and three,
53:49
Speaker 3: and Philadelphia is the number two seed and they're getting
53:51
Speaker 3: out gained of the season. Only have a thirty point
53:54
Speaker 3: plus thirty point point differential. That's eleventh in the NFL.
53:57
Speaker 3: So both teams are kind of weird in that situation.
54:01
Speaker 3: The Eagles are, you know, that's a scary game for
54:03
Speaker 3: the Bear. The Eagles were up twenty one to zip
54:05
Speaker 3: last week on the Cowboys and lost, so that's a
54:08
Speaker 3: this is a big game for them. Bears finally won
54:11
Speaker 3: a game where they weren't dominant turnover margin. It was
54:14
Speaker 3: an even turnover margin last week against the Steelers, and
54:16
Speaker 3: they won.
54:18
Speaker 2: Finally.
54:19
Speaker 3: Here's what the odds makers think of these teams. Mark
54:21
Speaker 3: First of all, Chicago's eight and three. They've been an
54:24
Speaker 3: underdog in seven of their eleven games this season, and
54:27
Speaker 3: they're eight and three. They've never been favored by more
54:30
Speaker 3: than four and a half points the entire season. The
54:32
Speaker 3: Eagles are also eight and three, and they've been a
54:34
Speaker 3: favorite in every game except Green Bay. So the odds
54:37
Speaker 3: makers obviously think the Eagles are much better, which is
54:40
Speaker 3: why the line's seven in this game. If you look
54:42
Speaker 3: at the playoff picture right now again, Eagles are two
54:45
Speaker 3: in the NFC, Bears are three. Whoever wins this game
54:48
Speaker 3: is number two and the losers number three. If it
54:51
Speaker 3: ended right now today, the Packers would go to Chicago
54:55
Speaker 3: in the first round of the playoffs and the Lions
54:56
Speaker 3: would be out of the playoffs.
54:57
Speaker 2: So they play the Bears three times in about seven weeks.
55:02
Speaker 2: If that this is going to just shake up a lot.
55:05
Speaker 2: There are so many divisional games backloaded in the schedule
55:08
Speaker 2: and so on. Okay, that's a little football preview. We're
55:11
Speaker 2: now going to get some points spread picks.
55:13
Speaker 3: And I.
55:16
Speaker 2: Managed last week to not lose for the first time
55:19
Speaker 2: in five weeks. They didn't win either. I got fortunately,
55:22
Speaker 2: got a good line in the Arizona Jacksonville game. I
55:25
Speaker 2: took the Cardinals getting three points and they lost by three.
55:29
Speaker 2: Let's see. I like Mike's pick of Hawaii over UNLV.
55:34
Speaker 2: They were a three point underdog and they got smoked
55:36
Speaker 2: by twenty eight points. And Paul was fortunate enough he
55:39
Speaker 2: got a good line too. That was the Bears over
55:41
Speaker 2: the Steelers. The Bears won the game by three points.
55:44
Speaker 2: They were favored at the time we did our show
55:46
Speaker 2: by two and a half. So he got to win.
55:48
Speaker 2: Football games of course, start on Thanksgiving Day. For those
55:51
Speaker 2: of you who listen to the podcast after the fact,
55:53
Speaker 2: we're doing this one on the Wednesday of Thanksgiving week. Paul,
55:56
Speaker 2: you get to go first. He wants to go both
56:01
Speaker 2: the over under and the point spread on the Bears
56:05
Speaker 2: and the Eagles. Let's see here. Yeah, and I didn't
56:16
Speaker 2: mention the Bears and the Eagles play on Friday. Yeah,
56:19
Speaker 2: it is weird and it's just part of the NFL
56:21
Speaker 2: screwing with college football. There's a zillion college football games.
56:24
Speaker 2: The NFL just wants to play a game every week.
56:26
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing that they've got going. The Eagles
56:29
Speaker 2: are favored by seven and the total is forty four
56:32
Speaker 2: and a half. Paul's taking the Bears. I just don't know,
56:40
Speaker 2: which is why one of the reasons I brought it
56:41
Speaker 2: up with Mike. I don't Paul thinks the Bears are better. Well,
56:47
Speaker 2: I mean the Eagles coach is a super Bowl winner.
56:49
Speaker 2: I mean, well last year he didn't he didn't want
56:53
Speaker 2: his brain fell out in the off season. Yeah, Paul says,
57:01
Speaker 2: they're always in the games at the end. Yeah, I
57:03
Speaker 2: just it. The Bears are a tough team for me
57:07
Speaker 2: to analyze. Usually teams in the situation like this losing
57:12
Speaker 2: point differential despite an eighty three record, it just catches
57:16
Speaker 2: up with you and you crushed down the stretch. But
57:19
Speaker 2: the year that the Bears went to the Super Bowl,
57:21
Speaker 2: the year that Devin Hester ran the kickback against the coast,
57:23
Speaker 2: it was all year. It just never stopped until after
57:26
Speaker 2: that kickoff return in the Super Bowl. On the other end,
57:29
Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers. Philadelphia's offense is ranked
57:32
Speaker 2: low and their defense is ranked low. But visually when
57:36
Speaker 2: I see them play, they look very good. And as
57:39
Speaker 2: Mike said, for two and a half quarters, they just
57:41
Speaker 2: were dominant of Dallas. I just don't know. I don't
57:44
Speaker 2: know that we need to go to Mike for an
57:45
Speaker 2: analysis because we just talked about that game in some depth.
57:47
Speaker 2: So let's get a point spread pick for Mike. Which
57:49
Speaker 2: game or games do you want to hear about.
57:52
Speaker 3: Let's start in college. I'm to look at the UAB
57:57
Speaker 3: Tulsa game to start. That's number three eighty nine, three ninety.
58:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
58:03
Speaker 2: I already know who you're gonna pick. Let's see three
58:06
Speaker 2: eighty nine, three ninety. That game is at Tulsa. Tulsa
58:11
Speaker 2: is favored by eight and a half over UAB. That's
58:14
Speaker 2: in the American Association Conference.
58:17
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't like land points the teams that aren't great,
58:19
Speaker 3: but I'm taking Tulison there.
58:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that. Tulsa the end
58:23
Speaker 2: of the season, they're not any good, but they've ended
58:26
Speaker 2: the season well. UAB got rid of trend dil for
58:29
Speaker 2: earlier in the season. He's the worst coach in college football.
58:33
Speaker 2: I think, and I'm guessing this is what you're gonna
58:35
Speaker 2: go on. Tulsa now has something to play for. They
58:37
Speaker 2: feel good about themselves, and UAB is in a mess.
58:40
Speaker 2: The whole team's going to hit the portal, the coaches
58:42
Speaker 2: that are there are all going to leave, and and
58:45
Speaker 2: Tulsa has some momentument you had be's defense and just
58:47
Speaker 2: their atrocious I hope I didn't steal all your points
58:50
Speaker 2: because I know you'll have a lot more.
58:52
Speaker 3: No, you you hit on some of them. But you're right.
58:54
Speaker 3: I mean UAB has lost seven of the last eight games.
58:57
Speaker 3: The only one they won was the weekend after they
59:00
Speaker 3: fired Trent del for which happens a lot.
59:02
Speaker 2: It does happen a lot. It's weird, but it happens
59:04
Speaker 2: a lot.
59:05
Speaker 3: It's weird NFL and college just it happens. I don't
59:08
Speaker 3: know why it happens when it happens. So you got
59:10
Speaker 3: to keep that in mind. So they're not playing well.
59:15
Speaker 3: They just play back to back home games and lost.
59:18
Speaker 3: It's a meaningless road game for them. Like you said,
59:21
Speaker 3: Tulsa now beat Oregon State at home handily. They want
59:25
Speaker 3: at Army last week, which is pretty impressive. So they're
59:28
Speaker 3: playing well, and the UAB team is in there in disarray.
59:32
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw. I mean they had
59:34
Speaker 3: a guy on their team, a defensive lineman, stabbed two teammates.
59:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, they a guy tried to kill two of his
59:40
Speaker 2: teammates before the game, and they didn't even usually like
59:43
Speaker 2: you'll cancel the game. They just went ahead and played
59:46
Speaker 2: the game. Dissension. I've never heard of somebody trying to
59:50
Speaker 2: kill two of his teammates on game day.
59:53
Speaker 3: I mean, he's charged with attempted murder. He's on the team.
59:56
Speaker 3: And they considered not playing their home game last week
59:59
Speaker 3: again USF. They lost by thirty, but they decided to
1:00:03
Speaker 3: play it because the two players are in stable condition.
1:00:05
Speaker 3: The two players that he stabbed aren't going to.
1:00:07
Speaker 2: Die so well in the school, didn't want to give
1:00:09
Speaker 2: up the revenue because the game was not going to
1:00:11
Speaker 2: be replayed, and so on. I mean, you're you're right.
1:00:15
Speaker 2: They are a mess. The problem, of course, is that
1:00:17
Speaker 2: tuls is not that good, but you but they they
1:00:19
Speaker 2: have improved. They played two pretty good games in a
1:00:22
Speaker 2: didn't They just upset someone last week? Last week at Army,
1:00:27
Speaker 2: which is a tough place to win, and they put
1:00:29
Speaker 2: up some points, and Army's defense is pretty good. So
1:00:32
Speaker 2: I don't even know who Telsea's coaches, but it looks
1:00:34
Speaker 2: like he's turning the program around over there. Who is
1:00:37
Speaker 2: their coach?
1:00:37
Speaker 3: You know, I can't think of it off the top
1:00:39
Speaker 3: of my head, No, Richardson, I can't.
1:00:42
Speaker 2: All Right, weird game that I'm not going to use
1:00:45
Speaker 2: is my pick. But you don't see this often. We've
1:00:47
Speaker 2: got a college football game this year in which the
1:00:50
Speaker 2: teams are playing for a second time. The reason for
1:00:52
Speaker 2: that is there's one conference. It has only two teams,
1:00:55
Speaker 2: the PAC two, Oregon State and Washington State. So this
1:00:58
Speaker 2: is the second time that they played this and that's
1:01:00
Speaker 2: that's weird. Oregon State won the first game. Washington State's better,
1:01:05
Speaker 2: so everybody thinks Washington State's gonna kill Oregon State. Uh
1:01:08
Speaker 2: in that game. But that's a weird anomaly of a game.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: I gave serious thought to taking Ohio State in the
1:01:16
Speaker 2: game that Mike and I were talking about, in part
1:01:18
Speaker 2: because wait, I just Michigan is winning so many close
1:01:23
Speaker 2: games and the offense is getting better. They have Underwood,
1:01:27
Speaker 2: the highly touted freshman quarterback, and Mike points out Ohio
1:01:30
Speaker 2: State hasn't played anybody. That's true, but they just seem
1:01:33
Speaker 2: so dominant when they play. I'm just not gonna fight
1:01:37
Speaker 2: that trend though of Ohio State crapping every year. In
1:01:41
Speaker 2: this game, there was another game I looked at that
1:01:44
Speaker 2: we get underneath Mike's skin. I think this is the
1:01:48
Speaker 2: way to play Hawaii. They put they play Wyoming, Wyoming
1:01:52
Speaker 2: has to go to Hawaii. They're not gonna pay any
1:01:54
Speaker 2: of it. Wyoming's offense is life Wisconsin. They just can't
1:01:57
Speaker 2: do anything. And I think Hawaiians the season with a win.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: But I just there's another game that I want to
1:02:02
Speaker 2: go to, and that's the game between Colorado and Kansas State. Now,
1:02:08
Speaker 2: Kansas State's in a tricky situation. Last week, they went
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Speaker 2: on the road to Utah, and Utah is a really
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Speaker 2: good team and they had him beat. They were way
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Speaker 2: ahead in the game and Utah came from behind to
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Speaker 2: win fifty one to forty seven in a wild game.
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Speaker 2: Kansas State comes home, they're five and six. That means
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Speaker 2: they need to win to be ball eligible. And the
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Speaker 2: key to this is they're playing Colorado. The whole Dion
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Speaker 2: Sanders thing has become a train wreck out there. Colorado
1:02:37
Speaker 2: is terrible. They just lost two home games in a row.
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Speaker 2: They lost it home to Arizona last week by twenty
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Speaker 2: five points. There's you talk about bad chemistry on the team.
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Speaker 2: It's just a mess, and people don't know if Dion's
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Speaker 2: going to be back. He's not going to be fired
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Speaker 2: because he's biot is through the roof, but he might
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Speaker 2: just instead of continuing to humiliate himself, cite his health
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Speaker 2: because he's got all sorts of health issues and leave.
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Speaker 2: My only concern is that Kansas State may be drained
1:03:05
Speaker 2: by what happened last week. There are also rumors that
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Speaker 2: the coach of Kansas State might be in trouble. But
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Speaker 2: I do think I'm laying sixteen and a half here.
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Speaker 2: I think Kansas State can beat Colorado because Colorado's been
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Speaker 2: losing by seventeen or more every single week. They put
1:03:19
Speaker 2: in one decent game against I think West Virginia a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, otherwise they're getting slaughtered. Also, Colorado
1:03:26
Speaker 2: does have a tremendous freshman quarterback, Juju Lewis. He hadn't
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Speaker 2: played all year. He did get put into the game
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Speaker 2: last week. Dion Sanders has said he will not play
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Speaker 2: in this game because they want to keep his red
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Speaker 2: shirt status so he keeps all of his years of eligibility.
1:03:41
Speaker 2: I actually think that that was probably the quarterback saying
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Speaker 2: I don't want to play in this game, and Dion
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Speaker 2: being forced to put up with it. So I'm going
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Speaker 2: to take Kansas State to win by seventeen or more.
1:03:50
Speaker 2: That line's bopped around, and when it moved underneath seventeen
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Speaker 2: in our service scores and odds, that's where I landed.
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Speaker 2: But I had lots of ideas, and by the way,
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Speaker 2: I don't have a single idea the NFL, so I
1:04:00
Speaker 2: was only on college games. Do you have any thoughts
1:04:02
Speaker 2: in that game? I just think Kansas State's a much
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Speaker 2: better team. I admit you have to worry about a
1:04:07
Speaker 2: team that just went through the ringer of a game,
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Speaker 2: but that was a road game and they are back
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Speaker 2: home against a team that just appears to not be
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Speaker 2: any good, with a disconnected coaching staff and lack of
1:04:19
Speaker 2: motivation and all of that. What do you think.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my guess is that game is going to be
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Speaker 3: above seventeen by the time they play, So that game's
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Speaker 3: probably going to move up.
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Speaker 2: On the service we use. It was seventeen and a
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Speaker 2: half yesterday and they went down to sixteen and a
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Speaker 2: half and it's been flopping around all over the place.
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Speaker 2: I just the only fear I have is that it's
1:04:37
Speaker 2: too obvious, you know.
1:04:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a big line. Colorado's lost three
1:04:42
Speaker 3: of their last four games like twenty five points or more.
1:04:44
Speaker 3: And the thing that I like about this game again
1:04:47
Speaker 3: is last week, if you looked, Kansas State out played
1:04:50
Speaker 3: to Utah on the road, which Utah has pretty much
1:04:52
Speaker 3: creamed everyone at home, with the exception of Texas Tech.
1:04:55
Speaker 3: And they Kansas State in that game rushed for all
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Speaker 3: almost five hundred yards.
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Speaker 2: They had one guy run for two ninety three and
1:05:04
Speaker 2: Colorado is terrible against the run. I mean, that was
1:05:07
Speaker 2: another thing that I looked, just looked at. I think
1:05:09
Speaker 2: if Kansas State can get a lead, they're just going
1:05:11
Speaker 2: to grind them down. Now, Kansas State's quarterback has been
1:05:14
Speaker 2: very good, but he's struggled a bit the last couple
1:05:16
Speaker 2: of weeks. But the running games got really good. And
1:05:19
Speaker 2: Colorado's defense is poor and their run defense is especially poor.
1:05:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, wells as they were running for four hundred and
1:05:26
Speaker 3: seventy two yards last week on Utah Colorado against Arizona
1:05:31
Speaker 3: State gave up three hundred and fifty five yards rushing
1:05:34
Speaker 3: right week. So it's it's supposed to be cold and
1:05:38
Speaker 3: windy and snowy possibly there, which would actually benefit Kansas
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Speaker 3: State because Colorado can't run, if they can't pass because
1:05:44
Speaker 3: it's wendy, They're in huge trouble in that game.
1:05:47
Speaker 2: Okay, recapping the picks real quickly, Paul says, take the
1:05:49
Speaker 2: Bears a seven point underdog against the Eagles. Mike. Mike says,
1:05:56
Speaker 2: Tulsa to beat UAB by nine or more and I
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Speaker 2: need Kansas State to be Lorado by seventeen or more points.
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Speaker 2: Click note on scheduling. We do have another podcast this week.
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Speaker 2: It will be released on Friday afternoon because tomorrow it's Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 2: We will be releasing the final podcast of the week
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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon, right around two o'clock or so in the afternoon.
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