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Janelle Monáe On Bodily Autonomy, Non-Binary Identity, The Age Of Pleasure + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: I'm still on LA time. It's so difficult for me.
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Speaker 2: Here we go morning.
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Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ Envy, Charlamagne, the Guy. We are the
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Speaker 3: breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building,
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Speaker 3: the goddess Janelle Monnet.
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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome.
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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: The first thing you said is this is the Age
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Speaker 2: of Pleasure.
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Speaker 4: How's she doing first?
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Speaker 2: But that's the first thing she said, How are you listen?
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Speaker 1: Phenomenal? I'm so excited. Album comes out tomorrow today today.
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, album comes out to day. Here you go
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Speaker 1: like this is I have been waiting, waiting, waiting. I've
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Speaker 1: been living with this record, living with this soundtrack to
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Speaker 1: my lifestyle, and to finally have it out, it just
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Speaker 1: means it's like I'm excited. I'm super excited.
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Speaker 2: The Age of pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what we're in babies.
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Speaker 2: So why did you call it the Age of pleasure?
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've had my age of anxiety. I've
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Speaker 1: had my age of depression, I had my age of confusion,
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Speaker 1: of imbalance, and you know, just realizing that we'll never
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Speaker 1: live in a world where you know, something heavy won't
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Speaker 1: be happening. You know, always problems will have to solve
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Speaker 1: and even in the midst of that, you have to
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Speaker 1: find your joy. You have to actively find your pleasure.
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Speaker 1: And in the words of Maurice's White from Earth, Wind
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Speaker 1: and Fire, if there ain't no beauty, make some beauty.
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Speaker 5: First of all, I want to congratulate you on having
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Speaker 5: a phenomenal body of work. And everything you just said
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Speaker 5: is exactly what I felt when I.
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Speaker 4: Was listening to the album.
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Speaker 5: It's almost like the mentality is like Hakuna Matada, like
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Speaker 5: stress over things, no need to have worries. Let's just
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Speaker 5: live in an age of pleasure. How did you get there?
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Speaker 2: Though?
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Speaker 1: Ooh? How did I get there? I mean, I think life,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm still you know, still on a
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Speaker 1: journey as we all are. But I think I got
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Speaker 1: locked in with me, you know. And I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of times we look at it, especially as artists,
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Speaker 1: and things come to us and sometimes don't, and we
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Speaker 1: look at things as like, oh we failed, or we
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Speaker 1: should be working much harder. Our happiness is dependent on
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Speaker 1: things that come to us, you know, good things, great things.
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Speaker 1: But internally I had to get locked in with me.
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Speaker 1: I had to get really locked in with me and
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Speaker 1: reprogramming my mind and exercising them muscle to be Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to get to a point where my inner voice, what
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Speaker 1: I was telling myself, all those things, the affirmations, all
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Speaker 1: of it just rewired. I'm rewired right now. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I'm on my third life right now.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 3: Now you mentioned, you know, you had the age of depression,
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Speaker 3: the age of anxiety, the age of all those things.
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Speaker 3: You know, what got you out of those places? Was
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Speaker 3: it therapy? Was it just taking a break? Was it friends?
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Speaker 3: Was it meditating? Was it you know whatever it may
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Speaker 3: be writing your book at the time. What got you
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Speaker 3: out of that anxiety and depression and some of those
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Speaker 3: negative places that you said.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, having to go back to the root, the root
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Speaker 1: of trauma. You know what. Usually when you're triggered by something,
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Speaker 1: it's deeper, you know. And I kind of feel I
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Speaker 1: feel like everybody should have free therapy, Like it should
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Speaker 1: be free for everybody. We should be paying therapists more.
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Speaker 1: We should be paying teachers more, nurses. We can go
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Speaker 1: on and on and on, but I think when it
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Speaker 1: comes to mental health, being able to understand why we're
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Speaker 1: sort of going through life feeling sick mentally or feeling
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Speaker 1: like we're in a loop. I just remember being in
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Speaker 1: a loop a lot and making the same stories up
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Speaker 1: in my mind about things. And I got an emotional
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Speaker 1: support coach who is a friend and who also like
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Speaker 1: does amazing work, and she said, you're dealing with some
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Speaker 1: abandonment rejects and issues. I want you to write down
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Speaker 1: when you were little Janelle the first time, if somebody
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Speaker 1: didn't show up for you, the first time, you felt
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Speaker 1: let down, like, write all these things down. And I
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Speaker 1: had to go back. And I think also, you know,
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Speaker 1: being in the pandemic, a lot of things got canceled
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Speaker 1: for me, so I had no choice but to sort of,
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Speaker 1: you know, stay home. And I had a unique opportunity
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Speaker 1: to go inward and to heal those things and have
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Speaker 1: and do all the work, the dark stuff by myself, right,
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Speaker 1: you know. So I think it's a combination of that
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Speaker 1: and then friends too, you know. I just remember being
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Speaker 1: out with friends, and so much of my life, I
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Speaker 1: was always thinking about the future. I was like, what's next,
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Speaker 1: you know, just like when you had when you're a
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Speaker 1: what do you call an entrepreneur? You know, I started
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Speaker 1: out as an indie artist, so I always had to
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Speaker 1: sort of be the leader, you know. I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: can't afford to mess up, you know, and when I
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Speaker 1: would be our friends, I wouldn't be present. And so
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Speaker 1: I also had an opportunity to reconnect with my friends
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Speaker 1: and have them hold me accountable, like, yo, we here,
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Speaker 1: we here, we're here, like stay here with us, we
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Speaker 1: love you, like everything is gonna be good, you can relax.
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Speaker 1: And I felt safe there. I found a safe space.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. I just want to
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Speaker 2: ask one thing about you said abandonment issues, right, m h.
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Speaker 3: How did you feel or what made you feel that way?
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Speaker 3: And the reason I asked is right, I have six
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Speaker 3: kids that have four daughters, right, and one of my
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Speaker 3: biggest fears is not to show up but something that
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Speaker 3: I might think is small that might mean the world
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Speaker 3: to them, you know, because you know, we are in
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Speaker 3: the industry where we do travel, we are on the road,
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Speaker 3: so you know, I'm just what bothered you so much
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Speaker 3: about abandonment? Was it something big, like, you know, something
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Speaker 3: not happening on Christmas? Or was it something like I
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Speaker 3: have my talent show and this person didn't come and
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Speaker 3: and made me feel a way.
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Speaker 2: So what was the abandonment issue?
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Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it and I've spoken about
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Speaker 1: this a lot, but so if you are watching right
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Speaker 1: now and you know me, but my father was an addict,
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Speaker 1: So him being sort of inconsistent in my life and
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Speaker 1: having to sort of navigate. And if you've had family
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Speaker 1: close to you or a parent and as an addict,
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Speaker 1: then you know what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 1: That our relationship what a lot of times was like
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Speaker 1: where I felt most abandoned and thank god, like he's clean,
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Speaker 1: he's sober. Now, we're best friends, he's written a book,
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Speaker 1: he's like amazing. But I think that inconsistency. And I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that because I was like, I have my mom,
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Speaker 1: I have all my aunties, I have so much love
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Speaker 1: around me. But just those moments of just like you're
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Speaker 1: showing you're not here, you're here now, you're in prison,
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Speaker 1: You're not like okay, all right, really inconsistent And that
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Speaker 1: was like one of the first things I think that
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Speaker 1: when I started to write down things that that bothered,
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Speaker 1: that affected me more than I knew.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you talk about the abandonment and rejecting issues,
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Speaker 5: that have to be an incredible obstacle when you're an artist, right,
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Speaker 5: And I actually like the label not supporting you the
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Speaker 5: way they should, or maybe early on people not coming
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Speaker 5: to your shows, or maybe people were not recept it
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Speaker 5: to the music. Like how what kind of obstacles does
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Speaker 5: that cause when you're an artist.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think this business is designed to make
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Speaker 1: us feel, you know, like we have to be competitive,
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Speaker 1: or that we're not good enough, you know, or if
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Speaker 1: an opportunity goes to another person, that that person is
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Speaker 1: better than you. But I mean, as I've you know,
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Speaker 1: been in this industry for a little bit, and I
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Speaker 1: always I just remembered moments where I thought something was
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Speaker 1: for me and then you know, another artist got that
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Speaker 1: opportunity or didn't work out, and then fast forward and
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm in an even better place and even better
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Speaker 1: opportunity has happened. So I've learned that the universe, you know,
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Speaker 1: me and my emotional support coach, we talked about this
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Speaker 1: a lot, the universe is not trying to do me
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Speaker 1: any harm. Sometimes you got to work with the universe.
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Speaker 1: You got to get out the way, like get out
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Speaker 1: the way. You never know, you know what what is
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Speaker 1: being set up for you, And here you are thinking
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Speaker 1: you're in control of the situation and you're actually you're
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Speaker 1: making matters worse. Just let it, let it flow.
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Speaker 5: I call it divine misdirection m you know, because like
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Speaker 5: that because in your mind you think you should be
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Speaker 5: going this way, but God is like, no, no, this
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Speaker 5: is gonna happen, and you're gonna go this way.
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Speaker 4: But you're really really end up on the path you're
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Speaker 4: supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: On right exactly, and you just have to trust that
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Speaker 1: and and move with it. I think I'm definitely floating
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Speaker 1: a lot more and being more like water, you know,
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Speaker 1: just allowing allowing myself to to have to have a
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Speaker 1: moment of just drifting in the way, in the way
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Speaker 1: that I think about, you know, what I can do,
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Speaker 1: who I can be.
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Speaker 3: You seem like you're in a happier place now, just
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Speaker 3: pleasure in a sad place, but just watching you now,
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Speaker 3: watching you perform, watching your videos, watching you around, you
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Speaker 3: seem like you're in a place of happiness.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I am. I am. And sometimes, like I
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Speaker 1: was saying, we were not always there, you know, because
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Speaker 1: you have life life life. Depending on where you are,
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Speaker 1: we're always going to be trying to problem solve and
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Speaker 1: some things are great, but at the same time, everything's happening.
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Speaker 1: I say when everything everywhere all at once, like you
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Speaker 1: guys have seen that movie and sometimes that that definitely
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Speaker 1: has been where I've been, and I know people will
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Speaker 1: feel me when I say that, but I'm actively here.
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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I got an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to do during the during the pandemic was my
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Speaker 1: friends own this party collective everyday people. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if y'all heard of everything. Yeah, it started here in
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Speaker 1: New York and they've been doing it for over a decade,
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Speaker 1: but they're international global.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I saw them in Ghana over New.
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Speaker 1: Year exactly, so you know those sort of parts. It's
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Speaker 1: like the most beautiful brown and black people together from Ghana, Nigeria,
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Speaker 1: South Africa, the Caribbean, Jamaica, Atlanta, New York, like super
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Speaker 1: Pan African, the diaspora, together in a safe space, dancing
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Speaker 1: free from feeling like police are gonna come in and
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Speaker 1: you know, shut us down or stop all the black
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Speaker 1: joy that is happening, free from gun violence. It's just like,
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Speaker 1: it's what you fight for, it's what you fight to protect,
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Speaker 1: what I've always tried to fight to protect that safe
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Speaker 1: space for us, and so seeing that gave me so
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Speaker 1: much joy. It gave me something to write about. It
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Speaker 1: gave me a soundtrack. Is what I like to call
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Speaker 1: this album is a soundtrack to our lifestyle. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: that has been a beautiful saving grace because when you
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Speaker 1: have community that also is super helpful. That keeps you
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Speaker 1: happy because it's like, oh, you get me. You know,
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Speaker 1: a lot of times you feel like you're living in
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Speaker 1: systems that were never designed for you, that were never
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Speaker 1: built for us to actually benefit or have the American dream.
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Speaker 1: But when you're around your people and we are together,
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Speaker 1: it was like reconnecting with like, this is what it's about.
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Speaker 1: This is this is what it's always been about, and
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Speaker 1: we have to we have to fight to preserve it.
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Speaker 5: Why did you Why did you purposely and purposely make
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Speaker 5: the album so short? But I like it though, because
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Speaker 5: I was, you know, I was riding riding on the
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Speaker 5: way this morning.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, it's a vibe, a great vibe. It sounds
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Speaker 4: like you're out of contract because the music never stops, Like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like you're on the island with the
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Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 4: If it made me feel like I was in Ghana for.
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Speaker 1: New Years, Yeah, exactly, I love hearing y'all say this,
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Speaker 1: because that that was important. I said, I want. What
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Speaker 1: I did was we would have those parties together and
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Speaker 1: I would I would say, if we have the party
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Speaker 1: on Friday or Saturday, we're going to the studio Monday Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna make three songs. And if these songs
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Speaker 1: can't work at our party. Because I was very specific
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Speaker 1: about this, I said, I want my friends to fuck
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Speaker 1: with it. I was like, if we love it, that's it.
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Speaker 1: Like that's that's all. So I made this with friends
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Speaker 1: for friends, and I would tell my DJ DJ NNA
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Speaker 1: Quad and I was like, listen, play it. Do not
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Speaker 1: say is me. If they're not shazamin, it's not going
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Speaker 1: to the album. If they sit down, it's not going
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Speaker 1: on the album. So I would literally be in a
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Speaker 1: corner with a drink like, oh my god, I got oh,
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Speaker 1: I got oh, I got what are they thinking? And
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Speaker 1: I tested all the songs like that, and I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was just a beautiful thing for people to be
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Speaker 1: like float I did like that Champagne ship, I did lipstick.
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Speaker 1: Everything got like sort of tested with the people I
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Speaker 1: intended for it to be for, and that was enough.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to keep it short enough where you wanted
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Speaker 1: to keep playing it over and over again if you
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Speaker 1: couldn't take a vacation. I wanted you to put this
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Speaker 1: on and and feel like, oh, I'm there, I'm in Jamaica,
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Speaker 1: I'm in Ghana, and when you're on vacation with friends,
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Speaker 1: you want to play it. You know that that brings me.
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Speaker 1: Creating and giving people an experience is my purpose. Like
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Speaker 1: I love I love doing that.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: You also sit on the album, especially in Float that
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Speaker 3: you said sometimes you feel like you're your own worst enemy.
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Speaker 2: Why do you feel that way?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, I used to be my own enemy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I think we we live within this matrix, right,
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Speaker 1: and even within this matrix is a matrix in our
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Speaker 1: mind what we have based on our set of experiences,
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Speaker 1: based on our upbringing, our programming. We tell ourselves stories
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Speaker 1: and narratives, and you know, some things I'm not proud
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Speaker 1: about what I would tell myself. So I was just
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Speaker 1: super hard on myself for a very long time. Super
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Speaker 1: Perfectionists wanted things to be. If it wasn't exactly how
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Speaker 1: it was supposed to be, in my mind, it was trash.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't see the beauty even in the flaws or
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Speaker 1: the misdirections, the improvisation of life. I couldn't see that,
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Speaker 1: and that keeps you in sort of a prison. And
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Speaker 1: even in terms of just like yeah, that's it. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like what I think of me will determine my
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Speaker 1: quality of life. You know, it's not what you think
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Speaker 1: of me or what you think of me, it's what
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Speaker 1: the fuck I think.
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Speaker 3: But you do know that the fact that you are
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Speaker 3: a perfectionist and makes you who you are, Like, that's
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Speaker 3: what separates you.
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Speaker 2: From another artist out there.
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Speaker 3: Like I agree, we can tell that when you put
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Speaker 3: energy into something, whether it's a performance, whether it's a
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Speaker 3: video like We're gonna get Ganail money today top like
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Speaker 3: the ain't gonna be no half assed just roll out
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Speaker 3: of bed like we're.
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Speaker 2: Gonna get This is something planned, This is something that.
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Speaker 3: You've thought of for years, That that that you know
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Speaker 3: you're putting into fruition.
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Speaker 5: But I wonder what makes what makes you? I wonder
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Speaker 5: what you think makes you the best version of yourself?
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Speaker 5: Is it perfection or happiness? Because I feel like you're
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Speaker 5: super happy on this out It's like.
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Speaker 1: It's at Yeah, I think I mean, I think you're right.
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Speaker 1: I think it's balanced. You gotta have balance. I think
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Speaker 1: when it's when it when you start obsessing over when
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Speaker 1: the process is in fun, I don't love it. I
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Speaker 1: think I think how you get there is also important,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think sometimes and it's not all the time,
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Speaker 1: but there are moments where we get the end result
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Speaker 1: and when you guys see it, it's like it feels,
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Speaker 1: you know, remarkable or intentional. But how I how we
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Speaker 1: get there too is important. Like I redesigned just in
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Speaker 1: terms of how you even do business now, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: we don't just because this is the way that it's
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Speaker 1: supposed to be dying gonna know. We need to make
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Speaker 1: it fun, you label boy? Yeah no, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: we need how do we make this fun? How do
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Speaker 1: we make this fun? How do we what? What?
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Speaker 4: What?
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Speaker 1: What is not making us want to even meet? Like
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Speaker 1: how do we have meetings and they don't feel so heavy?
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Speaker 1: They don't feel so long and drawn out? Like we
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Speaker 1: got to get to a point where we're redesigning how
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Speaker 1: we're how we're creating it. And even with this project,
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not I'm not forcing anything. I'm
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Speaker 1: going off feel how do I feel? How is this
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Speaker 1: making you feel? You know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you get to the point where?
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Speaker 3: And maybe you you've always been there where it seems
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Speaker 3: like you're so free with your sexuality. And I mean
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Speaker 3: we've seen you perform, you know, with your top off,
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Speaker 3: We've seen you swimming between legs, we've seen you coming
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Speaker 3: out of the water. It just seems like you're so
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Speaker 3: free and happy. When did you get to that point?
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Speaker 1: It's the age of pleasure? Baby, you know, it's like
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Speaker 1: it's a movement. It's not just me like you, you
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Speaker 1: feel people wanting to And I just gave myself permission,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just divested in certain systems and programming
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Speaker 1: and and uh, you know it's like why not, you know,
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Speaker 1: why why would I waste my earth experience? Scared to jump,
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Speaker 1: scared scared to exercise my freedom? You know why? Why? Who?
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Speaker 1: What am I concerned about? And once you deal with
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Speaker 1: that and you release, you know, your concerns and you
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Speaker 1: give yourself permission, it's a different world.
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Speaker 3: And you never were nervous that people are going to
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Speaker 3: be too judgmental, or the label was going to feel
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Speaker 3: this way, or how my fans might look, or if
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Speaker 3: there's young like you never.
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Speaker 2: Felt that way. To church people that followed me, you
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Speaker 2: never felt.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I am my label. I'm signed to
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Speaker 1: my own label since since the beginning. Wonderland Records shout out.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, of course I have a partnership and all
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Speaker 1: those things. But I mean, at this point, you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm very thankful for the career that I've had. Like
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Speaker 1: I started off selling CDs out of my trunk and
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Speaker 1: living in a boarding house with six other girls, Like
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Speaker 1: I know how to hustle, I know how to work,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I have big ideas and I know
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Speaker 1: I have a great team. I have a great creative team.
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Speaker 1: I have a safe space, and that's important. I will
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Speaker 1: be lying if I told you I always felt this free.
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I did not feel safe to be this
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Speaker 1: version of myself for a very long time. And I
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Speaker 1: had to sort of forgive myself for that too, because
18:48
Speaker 1: you think about so many years that you lived concerned
18:52
Speaker 1: about Oh well, now I'm Janelle mon A, so I
18:56
Speaker 1: have to whatever I've I've given them. You know, I've
19:02
Speaker 1: had success because of this, you know, this this sort
19:06
Speaker 1: of part of me that I've I've shown them what
19:11
Speaker 1: happens if I, you know, become the glitch, glitch in
19:19
Speaker 1: that you know, glitch in my in that matrix, And
19:23
Speaker 1: what happens, what happens if I if I decide that
19:27
Speaker 1: I want to be all of me, and I think
19:29
Speaker 1: what you're seeing now is me being all of me.
19:31
Speaker 1: I think people don't realize how much, you know, as
19:36
Speaker 1: much as we love our families and the way we
19:39
Speaker 1: grew up and we grew up in these in church
19:41
Speaker 1: and and all these like sort of systems and ways
19:45
Speaker 1: of life, how much that how much we carry that
19:47
Speaker 1: with us when we're when we are evolving, and there's
19:51
Speaker 1: this constant struggle of honoring that side of you, that
19:56
Speaker 1: that tribe that has shown up for you, and also
19:59
Speaker 1: honoring where you are now and who you've become. And
20:04
Speaker 1: I think even just in terms of yeah, just in
20:08
Speaker 1: terms of safety, like I was always taught cover up,
20:13
Speaker 1: you know, you you don't want to draw too much
20:16
Speaker 1: attention to you. You could be raped if you're going
20:20
Speaker 1: down the street at midnight in a short mini skirt,
20:25
Speaker 1: you know, or when you're in church. For me, it
20:29
Speaker 1: was skirt to the floor. Yeah. And then and then
20:34
Speaker 1: you see how they talk about other people, Oh look
20:36
Speaker 1: at her, Oh she fast, Oh she look a look
20:40
Speaker 1: at her skirt, And don't show your cleavage, don't show
20:43
Speaker 1: your breast because people will not pay attention to your message.
20:47
Speaker 1: These are things that I was programmed with, like don't
20:51
Speaker 1: don't you're not if you show your skin or you
20:56
Speaker 1: you know, show too much skin, you could not be
21:00
Speaker 1: taking seriously as an artist. And the slut shaming, you know,
21:03
Speaker 1: even in high school for girls who were having sex.
21:06
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, and I'm non binary,
21:08
Speaker 1: but growing up as a girl, these things were were
21:12
Speaker 1: always implanted me. And then let's not even talk about
21:15
Speaker 1: the reverse side. Sorry, yeah, now y'all got me talking
21:18
Speaker 1: of when I decide. You know, I love wearing suits.
21:24
Speaker 1: I love wearing tuxedos. I love Yeah, I feel sexy,
21:28
Speaker 1: fly love. I have my reason for it. I like it.
21:33
Speaker 1: It makes me feel good. The amount of times I
21:36
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you that people would say, why are you
21:39
Speaker 1: wearing that suit? You know, you got a nice body.
21:42
Speaker 1: Why you want to show you more of your skin?
21:44
Speaker 1: Just wear a dress, be more feminine, you know, like
21:48
Speaker 1: take off that Monopoly man.
21:50
Speaker 4: Suit, Peanut Man. Yeah.
21:53
Speaker 1: No, people would say that, and I laugh, you know,
21:55
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. But I don't think it's funny at all.
21:57
Speaker 1: I don't think that's funny. I don't think it's funny
22:00
Speaker 1: to again try to police and already in a patriarchal,
22:07
Speaker 1: massogynistic conservative the country that we live in, where we
22:14
Speaker 1: already don't have freedoms to criticize anybody or respect them
22:20
Speaker 1: or don't respect them based off how they dress. I've
22:25
Speaker 1: never loved that. I never loved the respectability politics of it.
22:29
Speaker 1: So from every angle, I never felt like safe enough.
22:35
Speaker 1: And I'm just so happy. I always felt like I
22:37
Speaker 1: had to also defend, defend why I wore a suit
22:43
Speaker 1: for ten plus years. I always felt like I had
22:46
Speaker 1: to defend it. I always felt like, you know, in
22:50
Speaker 1: the midst of me trying to bring something something new
22:54
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, it's not about the clothes, it's not
22:57
Speaker 1: about the lack of or whatever whatever. It's me. It's
23:01
Speaker 1: my soul. It's bigger than that. But yeah, just thinking
23:07
Speaker 1: back on all of where I was a little bit,
23:09
Speaker 1: I would be lying, I'm saying. I say, I'd be
23:11
Speaker 1: lying if I didn't say that some of those some
23:16
Speaker 1: of those things didn't get to me. But I'm so happy.
23:18
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not in that space.
23:20
Speaker 4: I always though to Fly.
23:22
Speaker 3: I thought that's what made people love you because it
23:25
Speaker 3: was so different. It was not the norm, it was
23:27
Speaker 3: not what everybody else did, and it was still fly cool.
23:31
Speaker 1: Thank you.
23:32
Speaker 5: Do you feel the need to defend the turn though,
23:34
Speaker 5: because I saw people getting at you, saying you was
23:36
Speaker 5: being a hypocrite, You was contradicting yourself because back then
23:39
Speaker 5: you say people women shouldn't have to show so much again,
23:42
Speaker 5: or they shouldn't show so much again.
23:43
Speaker 1: But then when did I say that.
23:45
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just saw it on social I
23:47
Speaker 4: don't know if you actually said that.
23:48
Speaker 1: I never, No, I never, I never. I never said
23:51
Speaker 1: that I said that if I if I ever said anything,
23:59
Speaker 1: I mean, we should just pull it up because I've
24:00
Speaker 1: never look.
24:01
Speaker 4: For it, but I try.
24:05
Speaker 1: You will never see anything. I said that showing my
24:07
Speaker 1: skin is not what makes me sexy, even right now,
24:13
Speaker 1: like it's in me. I have the sex cells, literally,
24:20
Speaker 1: like I've never never what I ever try to tell
24:28
Speaker 1: somebody what they shouldn't wear. I'm saying for me, you know.
24:31
Speaker 1: And I think that was probably at a time where
24:33
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to defend another reporter, you know,
24:37
Speaker 1: defend myself from another reporter asking me when I'm basically winter,
24:42
Speaker 1: So why do you keep wearing that suit?
24:44
Speaker 5: Yess exactly what you said essence essence interview, and you said,
24:47
Speaker 5: people don't ask jay Z to take his shirt off
24:49
Speaker 5: when he rhymes. My skin is not what makes me sexy.
24:52
Speaker 5: It was up to me to show people and young
24:54
Speaker 5: girls there was another way.
24:56
Speaker 1: That's not all I said. They omitted that it says
24:59
Speaker 1: I'll like skirts and dresses just like everyone else. That
25:03
Speaker 1: ain't even the whole quote. Oh that's what you're talking about.
25:06
Speaker 1: It's so interesting. Yeah, no, I said I like skirts
25:09
Speaker 1: and dresses just like everybody else. I wanted to show
25:14
Speaker 1: another way, another way of being sexy. That's it, and
25:19
Speaker 1: it's not one way. It's not the way, and that's
25:22
Speaker 1: the whole point. Nobody should be should feel like made
25:27
Speaker 1: to feel like they are, they have to like. It's
25:33
Speaker 1: about bodily autonomy. I guess that's the thing. Like, whether
25:37
Speaker 1: you're clothed or you're not clothed, you should People should
25:41
Speaker 1: should respect you period and not treat you differently based
25:45
Speaker 1: on your appearance. It's like if you're sagging your pants
25:48
Speaker 1: and he has on a suit. He shouldn't get the guy,
25:51
Speaker 1: and the suit shouldn't get the job over you. Police
25:54
Speaker 1: shouldn't stop you because they see you would a gold
25:57
Speaker 1: chain around your neck.
25:58
Speaker 5: Like.
25:58
Speaker 1: We got to get to a point where you know,
26:02
Speaker 1: we're respecting all types. Everybody can be their authentic selves
26:07
Speaker 1: and and feel safe. That's what it's about. Sagging as way,
26:11
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I used to think so because
26:13
Speaker 1: that's how I was programmed. Sagging is bringing down the
26:16
Speaker 1: black community. Pull your pants up.
26:18
Speaker 4: I just think it's whack.
26:19
Speaker 5: Why, especially when you're a certain age old with your pants,
26:24
Speaker 5: your pants hanging off your ass.
26:26
Speaker 4: My pants are fine.
26:28
Speaker 2: It's expression if I want to, if I want to
26:29
Speaker 2: express myself.
26:31
Speaker 1: Like I just I'm not I'm not into I've never
26:34
Speaker 1: been into respectability politics. And I think that there were
26:37
Speaker 1: people who tried to use my image And we talked
26:41
Speaker 1: about this on the show last time when I was here. Yeah,
26:43
Speaker 1: they tried to use my image to defein the nounce,
26:46
Speaker 1: to talk down on on on on on the on
26:50
Speaker 1: other women who were expressing themselves, showing their skin, like
26:56
Speaker 1: we all want autonomy. I wanted to. I wanted a
26:58
Speaker 1: time of me to wear my suit for teeny years
27:00
Speaker 1: without y'all telling me I look like the peanut Man.
27:03
Speaker 1: And I did that, and I ain't put my titties
27:05
Speaker 1: up because did y'all ask DiAngelo to put his titt's
27:09
Speaker 1: up when he did untitled Did y'all do y'all ask
27:13
Speaker 1: Rick Ross?
27:14
Speaker 4: Put? Like?
27:18
Speaker 1: Come on, now, I can name so many album covers
27:21
Speaker 1: and things like the double standards that we have to Like,
27:25
Speaker 1: let's not even get into how in some states I
27:29
Speaker 1: could go to jail and if you go in a
27:32
Speaker 1: gym with your shirt off and I go to gym
27:33
Speaker 1: with my shirt off, I could go to jail and
27:35
Speaker 1: you could just keep pumping iron, you know, like we
27:39
Speaker 1: have to get to We gotta get to that. That's
27:41
Speaker 1: the thing we need to be talking about.
27:43
Speaker 5: You know when I feel like when you did that,
27:44
Speaker 5: that was a big fuck you to everybody.
27:46
Speaker 4: Let me show you how much I don't give a fuck.
27:48
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing is, as much as people
27:51
Speaker 1: are getting to understand me a little more and you're
27:54
Speaker 1: seeing all of me, I'm understanding people more. I mean,
27:58
Speaker 1: the Missagyny is jumping out in this country. The double standards,
28:02
Speaker 1: the cis heat patriarchal conservative conservatives like y'all are. We
28:13
Speaker 1: gotta divest from that system. It is holding us back.
28:17
Speaker 1: It's the same thing that right now, while we have
28:19
Speaker 1: bills in place, let's talk about the trans community, let's
28:24
Speaker 1: talk about drag, let's talk about the LGBTQI plus communities,
28:27
Speaker 1: and how many laws right now are put in place
28:31
Speaker 1: simply saying that you could go to jail if you
28:37
Speaker 1: were dressed in drag my suit. If I was somewhere
28:41
Speaker 1: and I was doing the drags, I could go to
28:43
Speaker 1: jail for wearing that suit. You know, like there's no
28:45
Speaker 1: protection for us. They're saying, we can't even talk about
28:48
Speaker 1: being queer or being trans in school. We can't even
28:52
Speaker 1: talk about being black. Black history, critical race theory is
28:55
Speaker 1: being a race. There's an erasure that is happening, happening,
28:58
Speaker 1: and all of this is connected. The same people that
29:01
Speaker 1: criticize me for being black, queer, pan sexual, uh, you know,
29:11
Speaker 1: having bodily autonomy are the same people making these laws.
29:15
Speaker 1: It's all connected. And I think until we again divest
29:19
Speaker 1: from those systems and understand that the same oppressions that
29:23
Speaker 1: are trying to oppress me are also the ones that
29:25
Speaker 1: are gonna coming from you. We're not. We're I don't.
29:28
Speaker 1: I don't think we will see the sort of liberation
29:31
Speaker 1: that we that we want.
29:32
Speaker 3: Does it bother you when you see things like you know,
29:35
Speaker 3: like the article Charlamagne read and they omitted some things
29:37
Speaker 3: for clickbait? Or whenever you talk about something everybody's so
29:40
Speaker 3: into your relationship, right, like you say non binary and
29:43
Speaker 3: people are like, well, what does that mean?
29:44
Speaker 2: Is she with this? Does that bother you? Does that
29:46
Speaker 2: stick on you? Or is it like go after yourselves?
29:50
Speaker 1: You know what? No, And I'm gonna, actually, I'm gonna.
29:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, yes, give me some policanta. Yes, let's like it.
29:59
Speaker 1: Let's let's walk around, Let's walk around. Let's let's let's
30:03
Speaker 1: let's do it.
30:04
Speaker 2: Because all right, all right, come on, said, walk around.
30:11
Speaker 1: Let's right. I'm sorry, you know, I'm saying this because
30:22
Speaker 1: I just want to know. I want you guys to
30:25
Speaker 1: know this.
30:26
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
30:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you guys to know. The freedom is
30:34
Speaker 1: waiting on you. It's right there. Don't be scared. I'm
30:40
Speaker 1: gonna hold your hands. I come in love, I come
30:44
Speaker 1: in peace. And of course you know there are things
30:56
Speaker 1: clickbaitable things and all of that, but in this age
30:59
Speaker 1: of pleasure, we don't even we understand that not everybody
31:05
Speaker 1: is as evolved as we are. And I've had to
31:08
Speaker 1: understand that. Don't get frustrated by it. I don't know
31:13
Speaker 1: what people when. I don't know what happened in everybody's
31:16
Speaker 1: lives or your life or my life, or you don't
31:18
Speaker 1: know what happened in my life to make me get
31:20
Speaker 1: to the point that I'm at. So we just we
31:23
Speaker 1: have to just give each other grace and give ourselves,
31:26
Speaker 1: give each other grace. I don't get upset. Like again,
31:31
Speaker 1: it's what I think about It's what I think about
31:36
Speaker 1: me that determines my quality of life. And I know
31:40
Speaker 1: that I want to live the best Earth experience that
31:45
Speaker 1: I possibly can, and with the people I love, and
31:48
Speaker 1: with the people who get that, and with the safe space.
31:52
Speaker 1: And my prayer and my hope is that people have
31:55
Speaker 1: safe spaces where they can. I'll say this freedom, our
32:01
Speaker 1: level of freedom will always trigger somebody who has not
32:04
Speaker 1: decided that they are ready to get free. I'll always
32:09
Speaker 1: trigger that establishment. I'll always trigger proved conservatives or people
32:16
Speaker 1: who are respectability politicians or who are anti lgbt QI
32:22
Speaker 1: plus communities who are anti black. I will always do
32:27
Speaker 1: that as a non binary person, I will always trigger
32:30
Speaker 1: that for them. So you have to know that, don't
32:33
Speaker 1: get frustrated with it. Hopefully they'll come around. They'll come around.
32:39
Speaker 5: You know, you said someone I thought was dope said
32:43
Speaker 5: someone album you said, I forgot what song it was
32:45
Speaker 5: when you said you no longer lead with ego, and
32:48
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you, what do you think the
32:49
Speaker 5: difference between ego and confidences?
32:54
Speaker 2: What song was that? By the way, you said what
32:56
Speaker 2: I said, what song was that?
32:57
Speaker 1: That was? Eyes for two? Oh? This is good? This
33:02
Speaker 1: is strong? What does this mean? When it's like strong,
33:04
Speaker 1: that means the energy that I've.
33:08
Speaker 4: Never seen a flame that bit. I've never seen the
33:12
Speaker 4: flame that big.
33:14
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm from the future. I keep trying to tell you.
33:19
Speaker 1: I am from the future. I have told you all this.
33:23
Speaker 1: I've told you all this since I came out, you know,
33:26
Speaker 1: being an android. I'm just I'm ahead, and I've been ahead,
33:30
Speaker 1: and I've been trying to get It's like I'm I'm
33:33
Speaker 1: actually back having fun because I'm too far ahead. I'm
33:37
Speaker 1: not even playing. I'm too far ahead. So this is
33:40
Speaker 1: my little moment to have fun. We're going to go
33:42
Speaker 1: into election season next year. Everybody should be definitely focused
33:47
Speaker 1: on that and this summer though, we're in an age
33:50
Speaker 1: of pleasure. We are we we we we are creating
33:53
Speaker 1: safe spaces for our people. And ego versus confidence. I
34:02
Speaker 1: think I think, yeah, I think ego. Oh hmm. I
34:11
Speaker 1: just believe in balancing all things. And I think that
34:13
Speaker 1: there's an unhealthy version of ego that like, it doesn't
34:17
Speaker 1: allow you to have that vulnerability. It doesn't allow you
34:20
Speaker 1: to really really connect like on a on a on
34:25
Speaker 1: a vulnerable level that is powerful, Like if you're sharing
34:30
Speaker 1: your feelings and it blocks that. It blocks you from
34:33
Speaker 1: really sharing your feelings and saying, hey, I'm hurt or
34:36
Speaker 1: I need help or or or I was wrong. It
34:41
Speaker 1: stops us from apologizing, It stops us from being held accountable. Uh,
34:48
Speaker 1: it blocks our growth. You know if it's unhealthy. I
34:53
Speaker 1: think being confident, I mean it's balancing all things. You
35:00
Speaker 1: can be confident, overly confident about being a beginner. I
35:07
Speaker 1: always say this, like, don't be afraid to be a beginner.
35:11
Speaker 1: I think that the conflict happens when you think you
35:14
Speaker 1: know more than you do and you're in fact, a
35:17
Speaker 1: beginner and you're you sold yourself that dream that I
35:22
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, I got it together, and in fact,
35:25
Speaker 1: you don't.
35:25
Speaker 3: When you say beginning, is it you meaning starting over
35:28
Speaker 3: or trying something new.
35:29
Speaker 2: To try.
35:31
Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah yeah, like and not even just acting
35:35
Speaker 1: or something like that. But like what can I say? Like, uh,
35:42
Speaker 1: if you ain't studied, you may not ace the tests,
35:47
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, being confident without doing
35:51
Speaker 1: the work is not it? Like you can be confident
35:54
Speaker 1: though if I know I practiced, I show I've shown
35:57
Speaker 1: I've done the work to get my perform ormans together,
36:00
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm gonna go on this stage and
36:02
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill it like that, Like that's a different
36:05
Speaker 1: level thing because you've done the work. But when you
36:07
Speaker 1: actually don't even have the experience and you're confident for
36:12
Speaker 1: no reason, I mean, sometimes it can work. You can
36:14
Speaker 1: pull So I don't know, I need you know what.
36:17
Speaker 1: I think I'm prematurely answering this question. This is a
36:19
Speaker 1: really good question. I'll think about it. I'll think a
36:22
Speaker 1: little bit more about it. I don't know.
36:24
Speaker 5: I can't wait to hear an answer. I only have
36:26
Speaker 5: eyes for two is a very system. I think destroying record.
36:30
Speaker 5: Like I feel like you, you know.
36:33
Speaker 1: It's what destroying record?
36:35
Speaker 4: People? Awa, you should only have eyes for one.
36:39
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Yeah, I love it.
36:45
Speaker 4: I want people to hear it.
36:46
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
36:49
Speaker 4: Sounding joint like it's the second and last.
36:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. It's so pretty. I remember when
36:55
Speaker 1: I was recording it and just wanting wanting people to
37:00
Speaker 1: I imagine everybody like whine whining to it and you
37:04
Speaker 1: meeting somebody that night at the party. That's the that's
37:07
Speaker 1: the part of the party where two complete, three complete
37:10
Speaker 1: strangers are just like super open.
37:14
Speaker 4: I love the record.
37:14
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can love it so much
37:16
Speaker 5: in front of my wife. I want to see what
37:20
Speaker 5: she was going to say about it.
37:21
Speaker 4: That's all.
37:21
Speaker 1: Oh did she listen to it?
37:23
Speaker 4: Not yet? Because I got it, Okay, I'm.
37:25
Speaker 1: So happy I listened to the album. That makes me.
37:28
Speaker 1: I was like, I was wondering because sometimes you do
37:30
Speaker 1: interviews and people just don't listen to the work, and
37:32
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I want to just talk about the
37:35
Speaker 1: art the music. I mean, can we get into these collaborations?
37:38
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
37:38
Speaker 1: Doci, who is just phenomenal. We have a song called
37:43
Speaker 1: phenomenal together. I love her. I'm a ray on the
37:46
Speaker 1: rush Nia Long who has always been my crush. One
37:51
Speaker 1: of the reasons why what I got confident though, and
37:56
Speaker 1: in just being like, I'm about to free free the
38:00
Speaker 1: nipples because Along told me I had pretty titty.
38:04
Speaker 2: That's the reason why.
38:05
Speaker 1: So that's it, that's it, Like Along tells you, what
38:11
Speaker 1: are you going to say? Like, that's the confidence I needed.
38:15
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was like, Oh, that's it, that's it.
38:18
Speaker 1: Because she came to the house and we were recording
38:21
Speaker 1: our song, The Rush Together, and I showed her some
38:24
Speaker 1: of the press photos and she was like, oh, no,
38:26
Speaker 1: you need to go with that photo. She was like, Oh,
38:31
Speaker 1: that's it. You got some pretty titties. Go ahead, and.
38:35
Speaker 5: That's not even watching an interview and I want to
38:37
Speaker 5: rewind you.
38:40
Speaker 1: I don't need any more affirmation. And then Grace Jones,
38:44
Speaker 1: who also was on the project, came over. This is
38:47
Speaker 1: who I was hanging out with when I was making
38:48
Speaker 1: the record. I showed her stuff. She was like, go, baby,
38:52
Speaker 1: do it, do it? Do it? Do it? Like that?
38:56
Speaker 1: That is the level of just that's the affirmation that
38:59
Speaker 1: I need. Like she's been a free ass motherfucker. You know,
39:03
Speaker 1: like she she's done this, you know, in her own way.
39:07
Speaker 1: So she's been an inspiration for me. And I'm so
39:09
Speaker 1: happy she's on the project. C K, who's also like dope.
39:12
Speaker 1: His his his music is so good. He's on the
39:15
Speaker 1: project with me, shay Son and Egypt eighty We have
39:22
Speaker 1: yep with also got Horns unlimited. They did all the
39:27
Speaker 1: outcast hornso delicious, all that they're on the project. Who
39:33
Speaker 1: am I missing?
39:34
Speaker 5: By the way, we didn't send none of those features.
39:37
Speaker 5: Only the only feature that's listed is Sean. I listened
39:42
Speaker 5: to that this morning. I didn't know what was because.
39:44
Speaker 1: It was Nancy is on their sister Nancy Yep, she's
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Speaker 1: on there, like obviously you can't go anywhere without hearing bombbomb.
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Speaker 1: So she did some original stuff on there and and yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do some remix stuff with some more features.
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Speaker 1: People didn't get a chance to get on this on
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Speaker 1: this version, but stay tuned. This is a this is
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Speaker 1: this is like this moment as you can see, like,
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Speaker 1: I love what's going on and hip hop? How are
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Speaker 1: you feeling about all the girls?
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, man?
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Speaker 5: Define And then when as I said, when I listened
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Speaker 5: to your project one. I thought more of that. I
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Speaker 5: was like, I don't know what's going on in the universe.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what the universe trying to tell us. Yes,
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Speaker 5: but it's like, yeah, you really, like women are really
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Speaker 5: leading in a real way right now.
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Speaker 1: I mean being non binary and still being able to
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Speaker 1: like see myself and everything that that black women are doing.
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Speaker 1: I mean they are killing it. I was listening to
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Speaker 1: a Spotify playlist when I was working on my album
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Speaker 1: called Feeling Myself, and that's all like women rapping, and
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Speaker 1: I think, what y'are? Y'all? Y'all, you guys are experiencing
40:51
Speaker 1: a revolution right now of and and and also like
40:56
Speaker 1: a resistance against division, like we are not being divided
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Speaker 1: the same people that would try to divide the Janelle
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Speaker 1: Monnet in the suit up against you know, another artist.
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Speaker 4: A Cardi or a Meigh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and those and those are all women that I
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Speaker 1: love and I respect and appreciate. But you have to
41:19
Speaker 1: understand for years, like even it's the whole conversation of
41:22
Speaker 1: Lauryn Hill versus Little Kim. I'm sure you guys were out.
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Speaker 1: I love them both, but and I think they were strong.
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Speaker 1: They were strong in all their ways, but it was
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Speaker 1: there were definitely times where I felt like, you know,
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Speaker 1: people would would not understand that they were strong within
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Speaker 1: their own rights, and they would use Lauren's image to
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Speaker 1: the great Little Kim's image, and I never liked that.
41:48
Speaker 1: Growing up, I saw that and I was like, that's
41:50
Speaker 1: not cool. Like, I love both of them. I think
41:53
Speaker 1: they're both strong. They're using you know, they're using their
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Speaker 1: power in different ways, but they're saying the same thing.
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Speaker 4: It's all different expressions of.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we are. We are in And I
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Speaker 1: also it made me feel like, oh, this is my
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Speaker 1: time to feel safe now you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: because I'll just say again, there were just moments looking
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Speaker 1: in the music industry, I didn't feel safe. I didn't
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Speaker 1: feel safe walking in a room like this, even in
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Speaker 1: a thing, you know, because you you just didn't. You
42:23
Speaker 1: just didn't feel safe. So now we are, now that
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Speaker 1: everybody knows that we are not going to even play
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Speaker 1: into the division. It's not gonna work. Get used to it.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's get into a joint off that you.
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Speaker 1: Want to hear what y'all want to hear.
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Speaker 5: Okay, I like phenomenal. I like No Better, I like
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Speaker 5: only Eyes for Two.
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Speaker 2: I like only Eyes for two, I like Lipstick Lover,
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Speaker 2: and I like float.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, seemed like y'all like the album. Basically, Okay, let's
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Speaker 1: do what's good.
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Speaker 4: Ooh, phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: We can do phenomenal. I love yeah single. We can
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Speaker 1: do listick glover. Excuse me, we do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we do phenomenon. All right, Well, we
43:14
Speaker 3: appreciate you for joining us. Anytime you in town, you
43:16
Speaker 3: know you can come on up beautiful and yes, this
43:19
Speaker 3: is a safe space for you, so whatever you want
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Speaker 3: to come, we love you and appreciate.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate y'all. Thank you so much, and happy pride,
43:26
Speaker 1: I must say. And let me ask you a question.
43:28
Speaker 1: How are you guys showing up for you know, as
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Speaker 1: allies for the l g B t Q plus community.
43:34
Speaker 5: If you listen to this show every day, you would
43:37
Speaker 5: know what they call us husband's husband.
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Speaker 2: I love every day. That's good.
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Speaker 1: I love it. Gusbands, that's really cute. I love it.
43:53
Speaker 4: Tell us we're pushing an agenda all the time what
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Speaker 4: they tell us.
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Speaker 1: Yes, wow, okay, that's.
43:58
Speaker 4: What I guess. That's what it's called. When you just
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Speaker 4: embrace it everything.
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting how people think like being gay or
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Speaker 1: being trends or being non binary, being queer, like it's
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Speaker 1: on some new ship, like we just made up within,
44:12
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing. You just got to be patient. People.
44:15
Speaker 1: They have to they have to educate themselves, and there's
44:17
Speaker 1: so much information out here. Get educated. Like this is
44:21
Speaker 1: nothing new. We have We have been here, We've been queer,
44:24
Speaker 1: We've been you know, we we we have been living
44:28
Speaker 1: outside of the cis head patriarchal conservative lifestyle. And I
44:36
Speaker 1: just want to just say happy pride and whatever our
44:40
Speaker 1: allies in those communities or not in those communities can
44:44
Speaker 1: do to stay with us and be with us. It's
44:47
Speaker 1: a lot of really really evil people trying to on
44:52
Speaker 1: a human and human level stop us from existing.
44:56
Speaker 5: All I want to answer you a question too, because
44:59
Speaker 5: you know, I feel like what we describe to do
45:01
Speaker 5: here is create safe spaces for all black voices. And
45:06
Speaker 5: what I realized is regardless of who comes up here,
45:08
Speaker 5: like it can be you know, Jason Lee, be Scott Flame,
45:14
Speaker 5: when Roll Laverne, whoever it is, if they're from the
45:17
Speaker 5: l g B t q I a community, somebody's going
45:19
Speaker 5: to have criticism, you know, and.
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Speaker 4: So that's just what it is. And I think that
45:24
Speaker 4: you have to know that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody, everybody has to know it. And I think,
45:29
Speaker 1: you know, I think, but on a human and human level,
45:32
Speaker 1: and we're in when we're in conversations with people who
45:35
Speaker 1: hold those world views. My hope is that because all
45:39
Speaker 1: those conversations lead to is Okay, well, we don't have
45:42
Speaker 1: to care about trans people anymore. We don't. As we know,
45:46
Speaker 1: a lot of our trans siblings are being murdered every
45:50
Speaker 1: single day just for existing. And I think the language,
45:56
Speaker 1: whether we oppose it right then and there, when somebody
45:59
Speaker 1: says something transphobic or homophobic or not, that language travels,
46:06
Speaker 1: and it travels on a policy level, it travels on
46:09
Speaker 1: a like, oh, we don't need to care about them,
46:12
Speaker 1: in the same way that white people would think, oh,
46:14
Speaker 1: we didn't need to care about black people, you know,
46:16
Speaker 1: and white it's up to white people to talk to
46:19
Speaker 1: their people. So those of us who are more privileged
46:22
Speaker 1: in this country, if you're listening right now, we need you.
46:24
Speaker 1: We need you to just stand up, say something, speak out, support, vote,
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Speaker 1: do the right thing.
46:30
Speaker 3: You privileged to come back prejudice absolutely well, it's Janelle.
46:34
Speaker 1: Right now, and I'm not shaving my under arms. I've
46:39
Speaker 1: seen the comments. They will not be shaved. You will
46:43
Speaker 1: get into it. I don't know. I just felt like
46:46
Speaker 1: saying that.
46:46
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it's a breakfast club.
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Speaker 4: Go morning.
46:49
Speaker 2: Holdo, we just got to do read for BT on
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 1: This is great. I love that. All right.
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Speaker 2: When we come back, we got more with Jenail monations.
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Speaker 4: Don't move.
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Speaker 3: It's the breakfast club on BT. But lock, we got
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Speaker 3: more with Jail Money. It's the breakfast club on BT.
47:03
Speaker 2: We're back.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into our interview with Janelle Money. It's the
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Speaker 3: breakfast club on BT.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, y'all better be professionals, gonna take Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's do it.
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Speaker 4: Chris Ball, you will last night. Yeah, that's what you said.
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Speaker 2: All right, first right, here we go one, two three,
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Speaker 2: all right, more right, gotta change your two three.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 2: One more please?
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, it's my.
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Speaker 6: H so much, thank you, thank you love.
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Speaker 2: Uh wras moo, we got it?
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Speaker 4: Who used him?
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Speaker 3: He so