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'Heathen Chemistry' w/ Alexander Canwell · You Call That Radio?

• 0:00
  Speaker A: We have Alexander Canwell. Now, most guests in this show are either people I know or people that I know about. But every so often, the algorithm throws me a curveball and I hear something that just sounds unique and stands out. So I just thought I'd invite Alexander Campbell on the show and see what happens. Alexander, how you doing, mate?
• 0:22
  Speaker B: I'm very well, Mark. How you doing, mate? Thank you for having me on.
• 0:26
  Speaker A: No, no problem at all. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, man. I just. As I was just sitting there, I was just scrolling through Instagram, I think, and I think it was Canwell Creep just sort of appeared on my feed. And I was like, that is. That's brilliant, man. It just. The things they did to me was just the sort of. The delivery, the lyrics. It sounds to me like it's something that's a. You know, I write lyrics myself. It sounds like you're spending. You spend your time to get it right, whether by correcting. Assuming that. What's your writing process like?
• 1:00
  Speaker B: You'd be correct in assuming that. Yeah, man, I love crafting words. I've been doing it for a wee while now. I was doing it in the shadows for a while there. It wasn't really putting stuff out, you know, holding stuff back. But I was always fiddling with words and now. Now I'm at the closet with it, Mark. Yeah, I'm at the closet with it. Yeah. But I love tinkering. I love tinkering with words. That's my thing.
• 1:26
  Speaker A: So it's interesting because that I was. I was kind of the same. I was. I just sort of wrote, you know, like throughout school and stuff. But I mean, I was For a place you couldn't. You couldn't see that, you know, you couldn't see you're a poet.
• 1:38
  Speaker B: No.
• 1:39
  Speaker A: Do you think you're a rock and roll star would be the crime. So I. It was. I was a bit older before I started releasing stuff as well. I suppose the advantage of that is that you. You probably had time to grow as an artist before you. You shared it with the world.
• 2:00
  Speaker B: I. I would say so. I mean, to be honest with you, I just. It was. I had a whole bag of. I needed to sort out, and it wasn't until I kind of clear that in a bag of crap that I was kind of willing to put myself out there properly. I dabbled, I put stuff out, but then, to be honest, I just, like, I'd kill myself with it afterwards. It was just too much. That makes sense.
• 2:28
  Speaker A: So the. You just didn't like It.
• 2:32
  Speaker B: You were just like that, just mentally mate. I was just mentally fat in it. It was like I was, I wasn't. I was too brittle, drug addicted, you know, mess to. To be putting music out and sustaining it. Because, you know, fact is, when you put yourself out there, there's people that will come and, and test you. Send little, you know, nasty little comments, might be in your family, might be in the public realm, but those little, little knocks will come. Or it might just be you're in. In a. Inner chatters, in a monologue, my. My Nokia. But like back in the day, I just, I wasn't, you know, I wasn't. I guess I wasn't ready to do that in a sustainable way. But no, it's different. I don't know if you resonate with that at all. So.
• 3:22
  Speaker A: Does that.
• 3:22
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
• 3:23
  Speaker A: Well, I mean, I suppose, I suppose I, I can totally relate to being your own worst critic and stuff like that with regards to what people think. What. What. How have you got over that? What, is there a. Is there a lesson that you would tell your younger self?
• 3:43
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, essentially it was during lockdowns, right. So I ended up in a spot, split up with a partner of like nine years. And it was just one of them breaking points, but in a good way. It was just like time to get off the drugs, time to get clean, et cetera, et cetera. And I knew that. Well, I had a memory. I had a memory of me dancing on the table naked, 4 years old, sending it. Yeah. Doing opera for the family and just remembering that thing. I was like, I've always wanted to do music. Why don't I just lean into it? And then after a little while of that, things started happening. It was during lockdown. I don't know what you make of all that debacle, but I wasn't a fan. And there was a, A party, which sounds mad, but it was legal, it was an illegal party at that time, and then went and played it. I got invited. And this was like the first gig, right? This is like the first time airing, airing the music. And I was bricking it. And just before I went on, I just had this thought of, well, some people are gonna like what happens here. Most people, the fact is, will not give a. And then some people are gonna not like it. And they might even hate it, but it, for those that like it, lean in, send it to the point where they love it. And then so that if I was gonna go back and have a word with myself at an earlier point, I'D say that, look, some people are gonna like it. Most people do not care.
• 5:28
  Speaker A: Get over yourself.
• 5:29
  Speaker B: They don't care. Right. And then some of them are probably gonna hate it. But for those that like it, just send it, mate. Give it to them, you know.
• 5:38
  Speaker A: Well, I can really. We go. We. We played a gig last week and we probably won the. The right. The right band. The right band in the wrong place or with the wrong band in the right place or the right band at the wrong time. I don't know. But it was a buns night. So yeah, it was kind of like the music was some amazing performances, like acapella singers. So Scott's trad music, folk music. And then we came on at the end with the distorted guitars.
• 6:15
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 6:15
  Speaker A: Showy lyrics. That'll be me. And yeah, you could see what we're prepared. I prepared the band for like. You do realize that there's a good chance that everybody's going to hate us. But they didn't go in their droves. They left in their trickles, little trickles. So we sort of started off with a full house of hundreds of people and by the end, I think we had about 25 people in the mosh but loving life. So that's an extreme example of what you're talking about.
• 6:43
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:44
  Speaker A: Some people left instantly. They hated it. The rest of the people thought, you know, now maybe I need a good time to go home. They didn't care. And then there was people that absolutely seem to be loving it at the front. So that's good night. But it's a good point. You see, most people don't give a. I suppose it's like you get. You get in your own head and you're like, you know. But you're always making yourself vulnerable by putting yourself out there. People are going to have opinions, but the actual hate, I mean, if some. If you are the kind of person who scrolls on Instagram to just leave the negative comment on someone that you don't know or you've never met. I mean, what. What's their life like?
• 7:29
  Speaker B: I imagine it's not going too well. Yeah, imagine, imagine. Imagine it's quite dark, their neck is bent, a right angle and their face is illuminated in blue light. And probably they feel mostly quite sad. Or maybe they're having a great time. Maybe they just love. Maybe they love it. Maybe they just really love it. I don't know.
• 7:54
  Speaker A: It's nice to have a hobby, I suppose. Yeah, it's just a hobby. You just. So it may just be that Writing negative comments on other people's art just is what fills them with happiness and joy.
• 8:06
  Speaker B: Just get a really warm glow from it.
• 8:08
  Speaker A: Yeah, like, I kneeled that one. I did. Well, suppose it's also, I suppose the closest I've ever got. I've never, I've never just wrote random negative things on a. On a. A thing, but I suppose, you know, I did go through a phase of arguing on the. And I've given up with that as well because. Yeah, yeah.
• 8:27
  Speaker B: What kind of stuff? Like what.
• 8:29
  Speaker A: What. What I'm going to buy. So I can't remember exactly. I can't remember exactly, but just, you know, I realized that we were. We were getting involved in a kind of clickbait war. So it's like people are just. People want engagement, you know, and that's why I think another thing is like, if you're getting trolls or haters leaving comments, they are still engaging. But what are really strange things happening there? You're getting really, really. I don't want to say bad artists because it's. It's an eye of the beholder in it, but people that aren't really ready for fame, but they're just famous because people like talking shit about them and they are now making more money off their music than lots of artists that are. That I think are amazing. It's a strange world we're living in just now. I'm going to play do. I'm going to play a song because I feel like some of our audience might not be able to in the house. Hello, Kirsten. Hello. Happy Friday from Spain, you jammy bastards.
• 9:33
  Speaker B: Hello. Hello.
• 9:34
  Speaker A: I could do our East Spain break, but, yeah, I've got. So I'm going. I'm going to play a song just for people that maybe aren't aware of your stuff.
• 9:41
  Speaker B: Yeah, no worries, man.
• 9:42
  Speaker A: We're calling it. We're calling it the Tom Weights of heathen rap, Punk poetry or something like that.
• 9:49
  Speaker B: That's your.
• 9:50
  Speaker A: Your.
• 9:50
  Speaker B: Your words, not mine.
• 9:52
  Speaker A: That was my words. Well, how would you describe yourself? And. And then if you could tell what, then tell me what the Not Norman's all about.
• 10:03
  Speaker B: Okay, so how would I describe myself? Well, I. How originally from London and the label that I've come to plonk upon the sand is heathen rap. Because my bag of beliefs where I'm coming from could probably slot into heathenry. I love myths. I love pagan stuff. I love fairy folklore, all of that weird stuff. And I also love rap music. Right. So that's how. That's the kind of label of the flavor that is coming with. Make that what you will. And then the tune. Nice one, Norman. That. Well, Norman was my father.
• 10:53
  Speaker A: He.
• 10:54
  Speaker B: And the song was written like back when I was talking about. Back when I was homeless, got clean off the drugs. And the way I got clean off the drugs was exercise and pulling my head out of my own backside. Which was a good process. But one of these haters that we're talking about. Right. But this was in my personal life. Someone in the close circle really went Ham man really went in. And instead of having it out with him, I held back. And then eventually it came out as a song and this is a song. But it was very much in the spirit of my father talking about the kind of. Well, yeah, you might hear it in the tune. So it was trying to make some like something good out of what could have been a very destructive situation. Yeah, that's where it's on.
• 12:33
  Speaker C: If home is where the heart is and I feel so damn homeless have I lost my heart? If home is where the heart is and I feel so damn homeless have I lost my heart or will it.
• 12:59
  Speaker B: Pass.
• 13:03
  Speaker C: Melancholy with my tongue in cheek it's in my blood like oak trees and Riverside A city raised woodland freak Running round the alleyways Ducking all their nagging signs I'm telling them to leave me be it was a freedom fighting lunatic who did raise me oh man, you should have met that dude he showed me the importance of howling up into the moon Been sofa surfing over warehouse raves but now I see my planet Ain't my problem if you're too blind, mate had to wander round to find my play to find my joy to grow my self esteem dreams what else is there to do? You're either making something or someone else is making you so happy when the mission's great but sometimes mana mission means swimming down into the blue do.
• 14:36
  Speaker B: What.
• 14:36
  Speaker C: You got to do what you got to do SC sc. If home is where the heart is and I feel so damn homeless have I lost my. If home is where the heart is and I feel so damn homeless have I lost my heart? Nah, he'll pass. Let's push up a clock. Push up a clock.
• 15:23
  Speaker A: Fantastic.
• 15:24
  Speaker B: That's on them.
• 15:26
  Speaker A: So, man, you can tell? Just people, especially in the indie world, they get away with a lot of shite lyrics in indie. But I feel like if you're. If you're, you know, a scholar of good hip bop, then it's. It's not okay to just. Just write down any old crap and I Think that your lyrics shine through. I'm going to play something a little bit more complicated next as well. But that one just. Even though there's simplicity to it, there's. It's thought it's beautiful, man. What's happening with the music? How are you creating the. The beat or whatever?
• 16:04
  Speaker B: This just usually. Well, back then, and it's changed a bit now, but back then the process was generally just find a break, find a break, loop, bang it in logic, play a bit of guitar over it and just get a loop going and then as quickly as possible. And I kind of like to make things in a flash generally, rather than. It's like I say, it's changed a bit now. I've got a bit more crafty with it. But back then it was. It was more just flash in a pan. It was either done in one sitting or it wasn't done.
• 16:41
  Speaker A: As I've got here. Oh, costing. Christine says, love, they've been following you for ages on Insta Alicia.
• 16:49
  Speaker B: Thank you very much.
• 16:50
  Speaker A: So we've got a mutual friend there. We've got a mutual friend there. I know her well. So. Yeah. And next one says Stuart.
• 16:59
  Speaker B: Nice one, Stuart.
• 17:01
  Speaker A: And so the. As a. As a recovering Catholic, can you explain. Can you explain heathen to me? So. Because obviously I've heard the word and I'm just gonna be honest, I don't really know. I can remember. I don't think the church of the chapel, I think it's kind of. It's kind of a derogatory term in that world. And sometimes, occasionally words like pagan and heathen, they're kind of like throwaway insults in the world of rap music as well.
• 17:35
  Speaker B: They are indeed.
• 17:36
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker A: Just for. It's just because it rhymes quite well with other things.
• 17:39
  Speaker B: So. Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker A: Could you just explain what it means to you? Heathen, pagan, all that.
• 17:45
  Speaker B: Well, heathen, I think he etymological root of heathen means man of the heath. So it was the old ways, pre Christian ways. And essentially it means anything other than the Abrahamic religion. So anything other than the organized main mono sky God religions. Right. So. And it. My version of it is very mixed. So like I said, very inspired by my father. So I grew up around a lot of weird, weird things. And we used to go to the woods and he was a man, a man of spirit, let's say, but not of an organized religion. So I don't know if that answers your question. My flavor of it very influenced by, I guess you'd call Norse paganism. So you might. You probably heard of Odin. He's quite popular nowadays. But it's a pantheon. Right. So there's, there's many gods and those gods to me are personifications of aspects of nature. So if it's anything is revered, this is. It's nature. Nature. There's no creator of nature. It's, you know, nature is the supreme state of things and it's a system and an ecology, I guess, rather than one mono sky God creator. Does that answer your question?
• 19:21
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's a great answer. We've also. With regards to things like. Yeah, you can maybe shed a bit of light on this because obviously I'm not. When we celebrate things like. So pre Christian, you would have your. Am I right in saying equinox, solstice, so the sort of like celebrations of the seasons changing and stuff like that. And also Christianity, obviously. I don't want to. You. I wouldn't, I don't want to use the word rip off. But it's kind of like Christmas and Easter kind of slots into those things in a way. And also, I mean, I've watched, I've watched documentaries before for the scene that. That's where the. Well, that's where they got the, the idea from. And it's like the sun praising the sun. Yeah, I don't know much about it, but I don't know. What would you say about the seasons as the season's important?
• 20:18
  Speaker B: I mean, personally, I would say they're important. I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to pretend to be like a scholar in the matter. I'm just, it's just kind of where I'm coming from and where a lot of people I resonate with can come from as well. But yeah, I think the seasons are important. But on Christianity, I mean, my layman's view of the matter is, is that originally Christianity is kind of cult from the east. It wasn't indigenous to these lands. It came and there was a tactic of incorporation, I would say. So rather than just deny the existing beliefs of the land, things would become incorporated. Like I say people are gonna like argue on this and there's. I'm sure there's viewpoints to say this is completely wrong if people were current. But I would say over religion.
• 21:20
  Speaker A: People are going to argue over religion.
• 21:24
  Speaker B: That's a new thing, isn't it? But my, my current view is that things are incorporated for. To. To. To take power essentially for, for power. So the existing religion wasn't changed, it was adopted like the Gregorian days. Like we've got Monday, Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, that's moon day, Tears day. Tyr is a Norse God. Wednesday was Woden's day. So Odin's day. Thursday is Thor's day. That's Thor Freya's day. Friday or Friggs day. So these are, These were days that were already present in the land and to kind of incorporate the people they were used. I think Christianity might have been a religion of the nobility originally. Yeah, that's my opinion.
• 22:15
  Speaker A: Can we go back to the, the, the drugs and the, the sorting drugs? Yeah, let's go. I don't mean literally. We've still got another. Still got another four hours here dry January. But yeah, with them. So did you. So you've. You obviously went through a spell where you, you went too hard on. On these kind of things. Are you. Are you. You know, just no drink, no drugs.
• 22:43
  Speaker B: You just clean for a while there was. That was the game. I had to be completely sober, completely clean. It was kind of entwined in my character from about 15. So I was a shy kid. Like, I was naturally a shy kid. And then I took an E and then suddenly I wasn't so shy no more. You know, I was Mr. Chatty. It would get to chat to anyone. And I built a whole friendship group, whole circle of people based on this character whose foundation was on pills, right? So. And then it, you know, pad has got involved, etc. Etc. But I mean, as is probably obvious, a character built on that as a foundation is.
• 23:28
  Speaker A: Is not going to last.
• 23:30
  Speaker B: Right? So there was an implosion and then we. I'm sure you're all aware of the story, a lot of listeners aware of the story, and then it implodes and it, it goes into just this big ball of imploding chaos and doom. So to get out of that, the drugs that. Oh, I tried aa, I tried Narcotics Anonymous, whatever it's called, you know, going, hello, I'm an addict. And for me, whilst that works for a lot of people, and I'm glad that it works for a lot of people, for me, that just was not the way. Saying to myself over and over again that I am an addict didn't make sense. So for me, it was literally a process of facing the fact that my actions and behaviors were having a detrimental effect on people that I loved, right? So my mother and, you know, my future kids, because now I've got a kid. But back then I had to think, like, if I carry on this way, I want to be a father, but what kind of father will I be if If I continue down his path. So that's what I had to do to do to get it done. But nowadays that's going to have a point.
• 24:49
  Speaker A: Yeah, I was with regard. You mentioned exercise, didn't you?
• 24:56
  Speaker B: Yeah, trying.
• 24:57
  Speaker A: So that was a big part. So I've just went, I've joined. So I've done dry January and for the first time in my life I've went to a gym.
• 25:04
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker A: And how was it? It's not, it's not, it's not been too bad. I mean, I've not.
• 25:09
  Speaker B: They're weird places though, right?
• 25:11
  Speaker A: I think it's not, it's not, it's not near as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's actually thought. I kind of sort of imagined to be worse, but it's actually been fine. I've not been going, I'm not going too hard. I've just been doing a bit of cardio, a bit of weights and yeah, try not to injure myself has been the main thing because I feel like one bad injury, I would just never go to a gym again. So I've just been, I've been a bit, I don't know, eight or nine times since Christmas.
• 25:37
  Speaker B: Yeah. What's the feeling? How do you feel when you're done session? Is it like that or what?
• 25:43
  Speaker A: It feels weird. I mean, it does. It's hard, it's hard to really tell because it has been a really tough month for various different reasons. I'm not going to go into just now, but it's been one of those months where it's just where everything's going wrong anyway. And I had the flu at the start of the month as well, so it's been kind of like I've not, look, I've not been starting on a, a nice base level, so it's hard for me to. But I, I, I would guess that I'm much better than I would have been had I just been drinking.
• 26:13
  Speaker B: You reckon, do you reckon the training has affected how you handled those situations?
• 26:19
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think like, you know, for example, just finished an album this week, so the Gyro Babies album, Dreams Are Metal as A is finished, it's official. Just finished this week. We're lynching the end of March. So I just didn't want, you know, anything else cloud in my judgment, especially the, you know, at this part, this solely on, in the process. So, yeah, I mean, I think, I think so. I mean, I think if I'd been, you know, been going, getting on it, waking up with Hangovers. So that's the things I like. I like to, I like to drink to celebrate. I like to, I like. You know, my father was an alcoholic and I've seen the damage it can be doing if you're going to drown your sorrows. So I felt like it was too bad a month and you know, everyone else was talking about dry gymnastics. I thought give it a go and give the gym a go. Just, just, just, just. I'm just getting middle aged now, man. I'm just starting to put on a, the belly, not stand probably a couple years now. So I just, yeah, I think it's a good thing. I'm going to ramp up and keep doing it.
• 27:21
  Speaker B: You fancy getting ripped and he's at the game?
• 27:23
  Speaker A: No.
• 27:24
  Speaker B: A couple years down the line you're going to be like, what?
• 27:26
  Speaker A: No bronze that just make tandem. It's not, it's not, it's not a vanity thing. It's just. Do you know where I'm just feeling like. I actually just feel like a mid. I'm actually just starting to feel middle age because I've always just been a skinny guy up until, up until probably lockdown, sort of underweight. So I didn't really take getting fat too seriously because when you've been called thin all your life and you don't really like that either, you know, people will see it as a compliment but you don't take as a compliment when you're underweight so people are, you're fair. You know, as a guy in Glasgow, people are very quick to tell you that you've put on weight. You know, it's like check the neck of you man. You've well put on the beef, your fat bastard. And I'm like, oh, thank you very.
• 28:14
  Speaker B: Much, that's quite inviting.
• 28:16
  Speaker A: No, but I didn't care. I was like, oh thanks. But then I was like, I think I caught myself a picture and I'm like, oh no. I've actually put on, put on the way I need to. But it's more like, you know, just the, the flexibility, the. Just generally just feeling a wee bit of breath, smoking. I've chucked the cigarettes as well. Funnily enough, costings in the group. She's, she's always quitting smoking as well. I've got my wee vape which I'm assuming is better. It feels like it's a. Short term.
• 28:42
  Speaker B: It's better.
• 28:42
  Speaker A: Yeah, well I think short term it's better for your lungs. I can feel a difference. But for the, the long term, I mean we are getting as a. Chemicals from in China.
• 28:58
  Speaker B: Liquid.
• 28:59
  Speaker A: Yes. That hasn't been tested long term so I'm sure it's not good for you long term and that's. That's the next. That's the next phase though.
• 29:06
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker A: I feel like you can't give up all your vices at one go. Custody has given us our. Our smoker update which I'm always interested to hear. January started badly but ended well. I'm a non smoker now. Good to see it.
• 29:21
  Speaker B: Nice work.
• 29:23
  Speaker A: Angelo says made a lot of good decisions. Mark, album finish. It's not been too bad the month here. Oh I know it definitely has been a bad month but after today I'm gonna. I think I've got. Yeah, I've got. I've got a busy weekend ahead just work wise. But it does feel like. I feel like there's a little bit of pressure off because I can't, you know, I quite enjoy. You'll know yourself, man. But you're making. When you're making a project you start imagining all the ways to finish it and then I think you can get quite obsessive. There's not a deadline then the thing would never be finished. So it's good that the deadline's done and I can now just stop thinking about it.
• 30:02
  Speaker B: So have you tried. You wrapped it up so that.
• 30:05
  Speaker A: I've got probably 24 hours to make any changes but it's. We did the final mixing and final record. Final records and final mix in this week but obviously the. The producer's also mastering it so he's get. He's taking a day off for fresh ears and then he's going to change the level. So I've probably got one more. One more day to see. Can we change that?
• 30:27
  Speaker B: You've got a date in mind. Is that analysis 29th of March on.
• 30:31
  Speaker A: Sale now and we have frozen the tickets for January because it was like everybody's skin. It's a skin month. So I've kept the January, the January sales prices. You've got to schedule. Gyro babies dreams are mental. Album launch. Come along. It's going to be good.
• 30:48
  Speaker B: Sounds wicked, mate.
• 30:49
  Speaker A: It's just. I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be a good one with regards to your own projects. Where are you at?
• 30:55
  Speaker B: Are you.
• 30:56
  Speaker A: Are you working on an album or.
• 30:57
  Speaker B: Yeah, well I'm gonna. I guess so like I'm. I dreamt up this thing called Campaign 22. So. 22 singles released on the trot. I was aiming for a couple of Months. But it then my, my partner announced she was pregnant so I had to take the. Take that on the chin. We haven't quite got to two a month but it is rolling. There's one coming out in about two to three weeks time. Lot more high paced than the last one. So I think we're at about. When that comes out we'll be about. At about 15 songs. So when we get to 22, that's that mission completed. Then I'm going to whittle them back and I've got a chuck half of them and then I'm going to get half of them so 11 and then weave them together with like sound beds and little bits of story and poetry and then pop that out as a, as an album like that. So that is the current mission, my man.
• 31:54
  Speaker A: Amazing. That's what we did in the story thing as well. It's the concept album. I feel like if you're going to do an album you should, you should.
• 32:02
  Speaker B: What's the concept behind yours?
• 32:04
  Speaker A: Dreams are mental.
• 32:05
  Speaker B: Dreams and mental. So what, you've got like little surreal stories in there or.
• 32:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It should be a story for people that want to listen closely and hopefully though the songs will make sense and on their own because I think that's the next. The big question we've got just now is that I feel like, I feel what you're saying, let's forget about these streaming sites and just maybe put a single out in Spotify this month or next, sorry February and then maybe do another one in March. But just to try and get traffic towards the band camp so that people will buy a vinyl or buy a CD or.
• 32:43
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker A: Just because this streaming thing isn't. It's not. Something's got to change, man. It's. We're going to lose a lot. We're losing a lot of good musicians through it who just can't justify it anymore. You need to have. Right now you either need to be a successful musician. A very successful musician. Yeah. Or you need to have rich parents or you need to have a real, a real full time job that pays well and. Yeah. So I feel like maybe we should all just stop putting. I mean I think we need the streaming platforms to promote the album.
• 33:22
  Speaker B: It's trouble. It's a difficult one because as a, as a, as a listener, like you pay your ten pound a month, you've already in, in the mind, you already bought the music. Right. It's like I paid for music already and it's free. Like I can't sit here and act like I don't use Spotify as a thing. Yeah, I'm listening to it all the time. So it's a tricky one because there is no. It doesn't pay anything really to musicians. But at the same time, I can't sit here and like, I listen to it myself. So trying to think of little ways that I can manage it.
• 33:57
  Speaker A: Yeah, no, I mean, I'm a hypocrite in that sense as well. I use Spotify as well. I'm going to just put a wee link in the comments. You're on the. You're on the playlist as is. So that's a we. A wee playlist I've got called Current Signals.
• 34:10
  Speaker B: Thank you very much.
• 34:11
  Speaker A: So I just update it. We've got about two. I think we've got about 230 followers. If anyone's watching this or if you're listening to the audio podcast, I'll put a link in the bio tip. But yeah, what I do is I just. I just. I used to do an annual, a best of your thing. So what I've decided to do with this is every month I'm going to do a radio show for people that don't use Spotify. They sign up to the Patreon. I'm just going to do a radio show for them and I'll do the playlist and just update it every month just so I can keep track. It's a good system. I mean, it wouldn't be successful if it wasn't good that the mine. I mean, I don't know if it was even Spotify that recommended or it was the Instagram algorithm that got me into your music. But I think there's a place for it. I think there's a place for it. But I feel like maybe what we need to. Maybe the middle ground is, is given the people who are willing to buy a CD or a vinyl or pay for the digital download, they get it. They get a few months before everyone else and then. Then maybe it goes on. It goes on and you're going to lose a bit of your buzz as a result. But financially, I feel like it's going to work out better. And it's. I think if more people did that, Spotify may have to just change it a little bit.
• 35:26
  Speaker B: I think, like, if I. If I've heard correctly, artists like Jamie and I think get. Perhaps they've been doing like gallery launches, so teaming up with artists to do artwork behind album concepts and stuff, and then doing a big party, a launch, and then literally Who? You can only get a copy of the work if you go to that launch. So it's kind of along the lines of what you're saying, I think.
• 35:57
  Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds. That sounds like a good idea. I'm going to play another tune. Will we go for Canwell Creep or Other World? What would you go for?
• 36:08
  Speaker B: Let's go a bit harder, I reckon. Creep Camel, please.
• 36:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, this is the tune. This is the tune that I have here. I don't know why I said either Spotify or Instagram. It just appeared on. On my algorithm and I was just like, yes. I was enjoying it anyway. And then the guitars kicked in or the beat switches up and I was like, yes, this is absolutely brilliant.
• 36:29
  Speaker B: Thank you, mate.
• 36:30
  Speaker A: We'll go if you want to just. I'll just get that set up. Just want to introduce the song and tell us what it's about.
• 36:36
  Speaker B: What is it about? Well, I've got no real clue. It's about off the top of me. But this is the one where I got a bit more crafty. So trying to record a little voice note of the melody. Dumb, something like that. And it's the first time that I took a melody and worked out an instrumental and produced an instrumental from a melody out of my noggin. So, yeah, it was a. It was a new way of working for me.
• 37:20
  Speaker A: Great stuff.
• 37:22
  Speaker B: I hope you like it.
• 37:29
  Speaker C: Other world from another world I went to I'm here to utter underworld like Orus I rap spider Friends of the great Whereby poet out my trap I'd even keep on spitting if you shaved off my head I'm like a janky brand the blessed get my stories from the dead there's ravens in my tower Sprigs of order on my shield the spirit that I tumble out's the one they fail to kill I'm amplifying at noon in the good old British mind Like Druid seeking prophecy the whispers Riverside I went, I went crazy yeah, I went mad I weren't sure if I would ever come back But I found my way yeah Other world From another world I went to I went crazy yeah, I went mad I weren't sure or if I would ever come back But I found my way yeah Other world From another world I went to I'm here to say I'm fucking weird and say you ain't alone there's so many dimensions all within a skull of bone Hades pulled me in I came out rapping like a boss Boshing out his bangers for the people of the moss the people of the stick mixing burners people down the pub the people feeling mental Crying tears into their grub. A psychic land of chaos, man. It's boggy and it's rough the underworld is tough until you fill it up with love Come on. Another world I went to I went crazy yeah, I went mad I weren't sure if I would ever come back But I found my way yeah Other world From another world I went to.
• 39:33
  Speaker A: Hell I realize I played the wrong song there.
• 39:38
  Speaker B: No worries.
• 39:40
  Speaker C: I went crazy Yes, I went mad.
• 39:46
  Speaker A: So before we do that. And then I just filmed. I was meant to play.
• 39:54
  Speaker B: Sorry, mate, I missed that.
• 39:55
  Speaker A: Do you want to tell us a bit otherworldly, the song that I just played, Other World.
• 40:00
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker B: What can I say about that tune? About going mental like Luke going absolutely batshit and making your way back from. From it. And. Yeah, so it's. Some people don't make their way back from it. So I think it's something to be grateful for, to go mad and not stay mad and tried to sew it. Sew it with little myth references and I don't know what else to say about that than that. Mark.
• 40:31
  Speaker A: That's. That's fair. We've got some nice comments coming in. We've got really uplifting Reaching From Custody and love it. Angela. I like that it says Stuart.
• 40:40
  Speaker B: Nice.
• 40:41
  Speaker A: From Alexander the Cranberries class. Cheers once again, Martin says Stacey.
• 40:45
  Speaker B: Thanks. We've got the.
• 40:48
  Speaker A: So you're. You're a. You're a life coach. So I thought I'd shoot that as well. So can. Well help on Instagram. All one word. So do you want to pick up on any of these things? We've got your. Just to sort of close the show. Is there anything, any of these things that we could maybe just finish on? Maybe some Finish on a positive?
• 41:10
  Speaker B: Yeah, why not? Why the world needs creative men, perhaps.
• 41:17
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker B: I don't know if. How do you want to do this?
• 41:24
  Speaker A: I don't know. So for people that listen to audio podcast, we're looking a sort of slide. A slide is the word. Yeah, A slide about. Look around. Wars, destruction, cycles of violence. What is at the center? We are men. When men repress, instead of express creativity creatively, it turns into petty power plays, violence or apathy. I'm not going to read it all, do I? Give us the.
• 41:52
  Speaker B: Oh, that was the.
• 41:53
  Speaker C: That was the.
• 41:54
  Speaker B: That was the bummer part of it. But the angle. The angle is that express, don't repress, essentially, man, that's what I help people do. Like we work together. I Mainly work with men. We work together over the course of eight weeks. Creative. A program to finish a creative project. It is. That's the driving force. But the main energy behind it is that there's a whole lot of fellas out there and a whole lot of people out there walking around with a whole lot of repressed stuff which can lead to all sorts of problems in life. So through creative energy, through making stuff that's it's. It's an outlet and we can. Well, people create a positive influence in their own lives through working on their own projects. That's the general vibe. But it come about through and it's twinned with my. My artwork basically. So I make art and I was trying to help out where I can as well.
• 42:56
  Speaker A: Brilliant. And you. So I'm going to sort. Because we got another guest on as well. We're going to need definitely come on the show again and any plans, any plans for live music, any live gigs coming up, festivals or anything like that?
• 43:13
  Speaker B: There's a couple in the pipeline. Little one, what's happening Kyber Festival, I think is confirmed. That's I think southwest. And there's a couple that aren't fully confirmed, but that's definitely. That's one confirmation at the moment. So Khyber Festival, if you listen to this and you want to find that and you want to come stay alone, you want to have a skank and a mosh and a good time, please come.
• 43:40
  Speaker A: Brilliant stuff. Well, we're going to finish with the track that I meant to play earlier on, which is Creep Canwell. And for anybody who is. Hold on, start asking for anybody who's. Once they stay locked into the Friday night phone in on you call that radio. We've got Darren Connell up next. The link is in the comments. Just click that. I'm just going to W sound check with that.
• 44:01
  Speaker B: I was watching some of his stuff earlier.
• 44:03
  Speaker A: It was really funny, man, he's absolutely hilarious. So it's good to get him back on the show. Not spoke to him since, I think lockdown. I think the last time I spoke to him, me and him were having an interview and Lemmy, I don't know what you call it with a Twitch. All his Twitch followers, they got everyone to come on. So all of a sudden we ended up with thousands of people watching the show. And I think if three months agree with it. Oh, we didn't know he's going to go. So I shouts to Dan Connell all day, we'll be streaking him in about 8 o'clock. So everyone is watching Join us on there. If you listen to audio podcast, it's probably the next one with Dan Connell. And yeah, give me a shout if you fancy playing Glasgow, because I think we can definitely make something happen.
• 44:44
  Speaker B: I'm game, mate.
• 44:45
  Speaker A: I'm definitely come to Scotland.
• 44:47
  Speaker B: Yeah, I would love that, Kirstein.
• 44:49
  Speaker A: I'm. I'm sure we can make it happen. Leslie Drummond's loving these tunes. Leslie as well. Yeah, maybe we'll maybe see if there's any festival slots going on. I think maybe Aaron on Sals this weekend, there might be a slot there. Cool. I've not. I've not finalized the lineup for that yet, but stay in touch, mate. Good luck the tunes. Keep, keep, keep doing it, man. I'm loving it. And good luck with everything. This is Creep Canwell by Alexander Canwell.
• 45:18
  Speaker B: Thank you very much for having this. Mark.
• 45:33
  Speaker A: Anytime that you'll never see Drink from.
• 45:35
  Speaker B: The deep like an old willow tree spitting old English calligraphy Beowulf in my bibliography Mental like Gwendolyn I lurk in.
• 45:43
  Speaker A: Your dreams I am the dark of your die.
• 45:45
  Speaker B: Cut. Amelia.
• 45:46
  Speaker C: Whoa, what can I say? You bring the devil and me out to play my hooves.
• 45:50
  Speaker B: A tapping was cold on the stage.
• 45:51
  Speaker C: Spelling your fate within this cabaret. You look.
• 45:54
  Speaker B: Oh, no. Are you okay?
• 45:56
  Speaker C: Do you feel queasy from all the word play?
• 45:58
  Speaker B: I got the secret like tarot Marseille no way around it. I found my forte moulding my bars out of clay.
• 46:04
  Speaker C: Get away. You want more paper mache? By the way, step in the janky away like an old pony from Scotland. I'm a lady. Give me that thunder and rain for.
• 46:14
  Speaker B: Give me power to use on my pain.
• 46:16
  Speaker C: Crinkle my pickle then twiddle my fiddle.
• 46:18
  Speaker A: And giggle and dribble your winkle will.
• 46:19
  Speaker C: Piddle like crank, crank, crank chop. I'll make your little bro.
• 46:55
  Speaker B: I'll make the crowd go.
• 46:57
  Speaker C: You make the crowd will go. Stop.
• 46:59
  Speaker A: Stop.
• 46:59
  Speaker B: Camera. Been earning his straps hanging alone on the naughtiest night. Give me the wood and the trees Give me the moon and a pack of banshees Give me a cliff in the sea. Give me a story of folklore and horror like you walking alone on a path meeting a demon like me after dark Wrapping you up in my bars drunk on the music I hear in the stars.
• 47:47
  Speaker C: Oh, gold, silver, fill my river so.
• 47:52
  Speaker B: My dreams can grow.
• 47:55
  Speaker C: Yo ho. Gold, silver, fill my river above and below.