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Marquez's Fiery Escape & Martin's Haunted Journey: Indonesian GP Review MotoGP Pit Talk · Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Who are you going to call? Apparently Jujo Martin, who
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Speaker 1: ghostbusted his way to victory after not so victorious Saturday
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Speaker 1: sprint left the Spaniard haunted by racing's pass. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Rinita Vanmuellen, and joining me is the man who doesn't
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Speaker 1: need a proton pack to capture Moto GP's wildest moment,
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Speaker 1: Matt Clayton. Matt, the Indonesian Grand Prix was a wild ride.
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Speaker 2: Sure was.
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Speaker 3: And now you've gone with the Ghostbusters theme here, Ranta.
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Speaker 3: I've got the was it Ray Parker Junior, I've got
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Speaker 3: this song stuck in my head down anyway, visions of
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Speaker 3: Bill Murray and all sorts of going through. Well, I'm
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Speaker 3: going to call Bill Murray because at least you're guaranteed
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Speaker 3: to laugh at Bill's on the other end of the line.
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Speaker 3: But I look at was it was really really another
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Speaker 3: bizarre chapter in this bizarre world. Champion Jim meant that
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Speaker 3: Juje Martin had a few demons to put to bed
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Speaker 3: after what happened in the sprint at Mandalika on Saturday,
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Speaker 3: which of course came after what he'd done in the
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Speaker 3: Grand Prix Atmandalica twelve months earlier, but responded pretty emphatically
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Speaker 3: and yeah, lost a few wants of his championship lead,
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Speaker 3: but he can afford to lose a few. And here
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Speaker 3: we are twenty one point lead, five rounds to go.
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Speaker 3: He's got it in his hands. But as we've said
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Speaker 3: numerous times on this podcast this year, I don't know
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Speaker 3: if I trust either of these guys to win this
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Speaker 3: World Championship. It might come down to who loses it.
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Speaker 4: Oh.
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Speaker 1: I just thought it was so funny that after Saturday's
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Speaker 1: sprint when jo Hey crash, Peco came out after and said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he was going to win the race by five seconds
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Speaker 1: or four seconds, and then you could see that now
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Speaker 1: the mind games are starting to come in between the
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Speaker 1: two because he responded with I didn't even know what happened,
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Speaker 1: but then went on to win Sunday's race with such
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Speaker 1: a big margin that I think, Okay, it's going to
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Speaker 1: start to come on track and off track now right.
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Speaker 3: There's definitely a psychological element to this, which I love
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Speaker 3: with these two because I think they come at it
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Speaker 3: from two completely different angles. And spoiler alert, I am
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Speaker 3: going to be riding on this for Fox Sports at
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Speaker 3: some point in the next twenty four hours and that
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Speaker 3: they're both trying to get to the same place, but
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Speaker 3: they approach it from completely different points of view. And
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Speaker 3: whereas Jorge will do the upturned palms, I don't know
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Speaker 3: how it all went so wrong, whereas Peco will try
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Speaker 3: and sort of intellectualize what happened and come up with
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Speaker 3: some sort of rational reason behind it. They've got these
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Speaker 3: completely divergent personalities, but they're trying to do the same thing,
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Speaker 3: which I think is what makes it so interesting. But
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Speaker 3: the one thing they are sharing this year is jeez,
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Speaker 3: they know how to throw away points from positions of advantage,
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Speaker 3: don't they. My goodness, my god.
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Speaker 1: But also an Aabashanini, I feel like we're just going
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Speaker 1: to be jumping from crash to crash because there was
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Speaker 1: like nine crashes and only twelve finishes in this weekend race.
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Speaker 1: So an Abashanini tuck in the front when he was
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Speaker 1: clearly on point to take a podium position. Do you
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Speaker 1: think that that crash was just from a build up
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Speaker 1: of confidence? And look at me, go.
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Speaker 3: I really don't. I mean, we know how naa race is.
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Speaker 3: At this point, he's like this classic slow burn and
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Speaker 3: he always comes to the boil late in races, but
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Speaker 3: that felt like there were still so many laps left
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Speaker 3: to go in that race, and he had such pace
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Speaker 3: that I dare say he would have finished second at worst,
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Speaker 3: and it may well have could have been another fight
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Speaker 3: for the victory with Martine and Bastideni, as it was
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Speaker 3: the previous weekend at Messano. But yeah, I mean you
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Speaker 3: mentioned a race punctuated by crashes. I did read earlier
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Speaker 3: that we had twelve finishes on Sunday. That's the fewest
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Speaker 3: in a Premier class race since twenty eleven, and it
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Speaker 3: felt like it at the time. I mean, it doesn't
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Speaker 3: help when four of them go out on the first lap,
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Speaker 3: which I'm sure we'll get to later on in this podcast,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, just twelve finishes only twenty one starters, of course,
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Speaker 3: because Michael Olivera didn't make it as far as the start,
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Speaker 3: but it did seem like if you stayed on your
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Speaker 3: bike you were going to get points, and not just
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Speaker 3: one or two. There were some decent points on offer
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Speaker 3: if you just managed to finish the race.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, the people like, my mind's just gone completely blank.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go to Joan Zako because he's
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Speaker 1: one who really I would say he's my writer of
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Speaker 1: the weekend this weekend because Zako, right, we don't get
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Speaker 1: to talk about him too often because he's usually down
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Speaker 1: the back of the field, and even if he is
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Speaker 1: scoring points is like a big deal. But narrowly missed
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Speaker 1: Q two on Friday, made it out of Q one
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Speaker 1: on Saturday, qualified seventh, finished eighth in the Sprint and
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Speaker 1: ninth in the Grand Prix, and marked Honda's first Sprint
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix points double of the season. That's big going
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Speaker 1: for Zako and for Honda.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, super impressive the entire weekend, and this has been
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Speaker 3: coming a little bit over the past couple of rounds.
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Speaker 3: He was pretty decent Massano as well, and of the
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Speaker 3: four guys on the Honda, for me, he seems to
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Speaker 3: be the guy who understands when the limit of the
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Speaker 3: bike is and is coming closest to you know, teetering
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Speaker 3: on the edge but not falling off. Whereas I think
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Speaker 3: you look at the other guys on Honda's, Luca Marine
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Speaker 3: is usually so far from the limit because he's in
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Speaker 3: sort of self preservation mode at this point, so he
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Speaker 3: never quite has that performance. And you've got to admire
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Speaker 3: the guy's t nacity. He's usually railing against the limits
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Speaker 3: of the machine, saying no, I can push this, I
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Speaker 3: can push this, I can push this, And then the
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Speaker 3: graphic comes up on screen. It says jo had mere
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Speaker 3: crash rider. Okay, so he's the one that steps over
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Speaker 3: the limit. So Zako's found the sweet spot now of
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Speaker 3: knowing where the limit is and not being tempted to
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Speaker 3: push past that. And yeah, it's looking really good for him.
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Speaker 3: The last couple of rounds super impressive of the entire weekend.
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Speaker 3: And what was interesting is that he had that moment
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Speaker 3: of clarity on Sunday. I was listening to his post
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Speaker 3: race debrief where he said, I could have pushed for more,
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Speaker 3: but there's a point that you don't want to crash
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Speaker 3: from a top ten position on a Honda. There was
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Speaker 3: nothing to be gained there. He was pretty safely there.
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Speaker 3: Bring the bike home, take the points, take the progress,
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Speaker 3: and move on. So good ride for him. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: this must be some sort of record, because I think
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Speaker 3: we're thirteen podcasts in and this to the earliest we've
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Speaker 3: ever spoken about Honda.
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Speaker 1: I reckon and I like that we're talking about it
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Speaker 1: in a positive light because it is so easy to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: another terrible weekend. Honder, another terrible weekend. It's like, cool, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're signing to see you know, Fabio once again. He
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Speaker 1: was in Q two. He's getting up close to the
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Speaker 1: front to see a Honda there. It's like, cool, this
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Speaker 1: isn't just a ju Catti dominated championship anymore. There's a
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Speaker 1: little hinge of the Japanese manufacturers coming through.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for the first time this year. I think you
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Speaker 3: could say there's actual genuine optimism for both of the
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Speaker 3: Japanese manufacturers, mostly for yamaharaver Honda, because Kuaatearo was again
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Speaker 3: outstanding on the weekend, as he was at the second
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Speaker 3: Massana around. But yeah, nice to see Zako in the mix,
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Speaker 3: and just about coming up on the one year anniversary
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Speaker 3: of his first Grand Prix win here in Australia, of course.
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Speaker 1: So nice Tommy, very nice timing. But Coudura, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk on that because it seemed like he's fast
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Speaker 1: on those single laps that we notice he's getting into
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Speaker 1: Q two, qualified on the second row of the grid,
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Speaker 1: But it seems like there's still just that little thing
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Speaker 1: missing in the race, you know. P twelve in the sprint,
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Speaker 1: and thanks to all the crashes and the incidents which
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about, he got seventh in the Grand Prix,
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Speaker 1: But I feel like if that hadn't happened, he would
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Speaker 1: be much further down the field. Is in his post
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Speaker 1: three debrief is he talking about is there areas where
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Speaker 1: the Yamaha still is lacking quite a bit.
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Speaker 3: It's still straight line speed for that bike, and you
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Speaker 3: can see it with the speed trap figures. They're always
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Speaker 3: down the bottom of the speed trap figures every weekend,
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Speaker 3: and that's dictating the way he has to race at
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Speaker 3: the moment, because he's having to risk so much more
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Speaker 3: in the breaking zones to try and make passes and
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Speaker 3: almost block pass his way through because on the straight
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how good of an exit he gets.
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Speaker 3: That bike is still clearly the slowest in a straight
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Speaker 3: line of any bike in the field, So he's having
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Speaker 3: to probably ride a little bit differently than he'd like
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Speaker 3: to try and make up for that in the corners.
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Speaker 3: But you've got to admire the way the guy has
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Speaker 3: gone about it. And I mean, I think that's three
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Speaker 3: races in a row now where you could say, yeah,
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Speaker 3: Yamaha was decent. You know, there's some progress being made there,
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Speaker 3: and with that second team coming in next year, with
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Speaker 3: Pramahar of course, and the rider lineup they've got, it's
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Speaker 3: all pretty optimistic for them at the moment.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure you.
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Speaker 3: Could have another rider on the grid that could get
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Speaker 3: more out of what he's doing with that bike at
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Speaker 3: the moment. I just think he's doing a really, really
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Speaker 3: solid job.
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Speaker 1: For those of you playing along at home to the
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Speaker 1: drinking game of whenever we say Pramahas take a shot,
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Speaker 1: there you go. Done.
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Speaker 3: The only difference this week I did it before you,
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Speaker 3: so you've traded me.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, if you can't tell, there's so much to
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Speaker 1: discuss in this week's pod, and we are kind of
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Speaker 1: going all over the shot because it really was a
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Speaker 1: wild ride this weekend. Let's talk about Pedro Acosta qualified
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Speaker 1: third in the sprint, finished sixth, but then third on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: But then the podium situation was linked to that tire
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Speaker 1: pressure penalty possibility, so you could see that it was
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Speaker 1: just not a fun time for Pedro being on the
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Speaker 1: podium or even in the little room where they're chilling
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Speaker 1: out before where he was just fine to be belching
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Speaker 1: on live television.
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Speaker 3: That was interesting when that went out on motor TP
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Speaker 3: social media the next day, they managed to either mute
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Speaker 3: or remove the burbing, which was amusing. But it was
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Speaker 3: in the end he was able to keep that second place,
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Speaker 3: and it was a bit of a shame that he
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Speaker 3: and Katim didn't get to celebrate that at the time,
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Speaker 3: because it was a genuinely outstanding race weekend for him,
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Speaker 3: his best result since back in Round three at the Americas,
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Speaker 3: which seems like an absolute eternity you go now, but
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Speaker 3: this wasn't a result that lent itself to any rain
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Speaker 3: or bizarre circumstances or anything else. He was just genuinely
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Speaker 3: on the pace at the entire weekend. Got a little
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Speaker 3: bit beaten up in the sprint, but in the race
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Speaker 3: he never showed a wheel to Juge Martin up front,
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Speaker 3: but he also didn't let him relax. And you know,
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Speaker 3: that final winning marginal I think was one point four
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Speaker 3: seconds and it wasn't really in doubt for Martin, but
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Speaker 3: a cost to put the pressure on and I think
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Speaker 3: that's all you can do when you're on a bike.
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Speaker 3: That's not a DICTI at least make the guys up
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Speaker 3: the front think about it. We've seen both Martin and
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Speaker 3: Banyai crashing the lead of races so far this year.
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Speaker 3: So outstanding result for him and definitely something that Katie
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Speaker 3: m needed. It does make you wonder what's going on
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Speaker 3: with the other riders in that stable because it's really
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Speaker 3: not going brilliantly at the moment for them. But through
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Speaker 3: hit weekend for him and GC brings some energy when
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Speaker 3: he's at the front of races. And the good thing
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Speaker 3: I think for Motor GP fans is this is something
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Speaker 3: we're going to see for years and years to come.
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Speaker 3: I think he's back where he belongs. And you know,
10:25
Speaker 3: he said he was sort of dreaming of a win
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Speaker 3: that was, you know, maybe a little bit too far fetched.
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Speaker 3: But you do wonder if these next five rounds now.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he is mathematically eliminated from the championship there.
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Speaker 3: There's actually only four of them that can win it
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Speaker 3: at this point. But I don't think that's the last
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Speaker 3: time we see him on a podium this year. It's
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Speaker 3: just a genuinely outstanding weekend and you can see the
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Speaker 3: respect he's got from all of the front running guys
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Speaker 3: who've been in it for a long time already, because
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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's surprised when he does this anymore,
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Speaker 3: and you know, you forget sometimes he's a twenty year
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Speaker 3: old kid still massively impressive.
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Speaker 1: Oh rookie year, first time at this track on a
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix bike. Like, the things that this kid is
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Speaker 1: doing and the places he's going to go is going
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Speaker 1: to be really exciting to watch. And I know everyone
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Speaker 1: said it, but it is like when Marquez came to
11:08
Speaker 1: Moto GP all those years ago. It's nice and it
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Speaker 1: brings something new because we are kind of missing the storyline,
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Speaker 1: like I've said previously, of I guess the on track drama.
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Speaker 1: As much as I love the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 1: Peco and Jorgey kind of did the little hug up
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Speaker 1: in Park Firm May after Sunday's race and you can
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Speaker 1: see the respect there, we aren't getting that like old
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Speaker 1: school rivalry. So it's nice to see something exciting like
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Speaker 1: Pedro coming through. But for katm not the weekend obviously
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Speaker 1: that Brad Bender and Jack Miller wanted. And it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: We know Jack's leaving, we know Brad's still staying there.
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Speaker 1: Pedro's moving into the factory team. But I just keep
11:49
Speaker 1: thinking in the back of my head, what does this
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Speaker 1: mean for Brad? Does he feel like there's going to
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Speaker 1: be a lot of extra pressure next year.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a huge chance that by this time
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Speaker 3: next year, And this is not spect to Brad Bender,
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Speaker 3: who's a very, very good Grand Prix rider, but there's
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Speaker 3: an opportunity here for for a Costa to go in
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Speaker 3: and become the man in this team. And it's just
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Speaker 3: crying out for someone to come in and take the
12:14
Speaker 3: leadership of the team. And obviously we'll probably touch on
12:17
Speaker 3: a little bit later there's been a management reshuffle there,
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Speaker 3: but that's a factory influx at the moment, and they
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Speaker 3: are primed, to my mind, to be the candidate to
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Speaker 3: sort of become that best of the rest. A prially
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Speaker 3: is sort of floundering a little bit. They've got a
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Speaker 3: super yew rider line up next year, as we know.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, interesting times in at Katim. But you can't
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Speaker 3: help but think that a cost has just got World
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Speaker 3: championships plural in his future. You know, I don't know
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Speaker 3: how many there are, but if you were to say
12:46
Speaker 3: to me, are there, you know, take the over under
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Speaker 3: on three World championships before Pedro Acosta's finished in Motor GP.
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Speaker 3: I'd probably take you know, I'd probably take the over
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Speaker 3: just because to me, he's that good. He is this
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Speaker 3: generation's Marqueers, and if Katim can give him the equipment,
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Speaker 3: I don't think is he doubting the guy's quality.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about katm and let's stick with Jack Miller
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Speaker 1: because he was involved in that multi rider crash that
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Speaker 1: included four riders. So we had Alex Marquez, Alasia Spargaro,
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Speaker 1: Luca Marini and obviously Jack Miller. And Jack said in
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Speaker 1: the post race that it was his fault. I think
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Speaker 1: he grabbed a bit too much front break by the looks,
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Speaker 1: stood the bike up and then obviously ran off track,
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Speaker 1: taking out a few other riders. It's so hard because
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Speaker 1: obviously we hate seeing this. But is this a Jack
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Speaker 1: Miller that's just trying to finish up with katm and
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Speaker 1: start again, or do you think it was just purely
13:41
Speaker 1: a rasing mistake.
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Speaker 3: Before I go down that rabbit hole, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: do a straw pole here with you. Shouldn't have been
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Speaker 3: a penalty or not?
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, By the looks of it, the
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Speaker 1: track looks so tight and that's they're going into that
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Speaker 1: Chicuane straight away that it's kind of like, whoa could
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Speaker 1: cause this sort of crash? So do you just accept
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Speaker 1: it that these sorts of crash could happen when there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of people there? Now, I guess that's my
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Speaker 1: take on it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's kind of where the stewards
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Speaker 3: ended up with it, because if you look at the
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Speaker 3: replays of the accident, Jack's on the inside going in
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Speaker 3: a turn three. He slightly checks up because he's side
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Speaker 3: by side with Alasias Spargo. He slightly checks up because
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Speaker 3: of the line that Maverick Vinalez takes in front of him,
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Speaker 3: and he loses the front and the bike crashes. But
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Speaker 3: of course because he's on the inside of the corner,
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Speaker 3: the bike washes through the outside of the corner, takes
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Speaker 3: out of Spargo, takes out Marini, and takes out who's
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Speaker 3: the other rider that I have completely Elisias Bargo and
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Speaker 3: Alex Marquez and Luca Marini. Yes, that's right, And so
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Speaker 3: the fact that there wasn't a penalty, I wasn't I
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Speaker 3: thought it was actually all right. As bad as it
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Speaker 3: was that four of them were out on the first
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Speaker 3: lap because I know we're clutching at straws here. Jack
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Speaker 3: didn't take the other three riders out. Jack's bike did,
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Speaker 3: and there's a difference. He didn't hit anybody and cause
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Speaker 3: the concertina effect. He'd had his own accident and unfortunately
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Speaker 3: the result of that own accident ended the races as
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Speaker 3: three other rivals. So and he also put his hand
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Speaker 3: up and was pretty contrite about it. It was there's
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Speaker 3: no way you could have argued that it wasn't his fault.
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Speaker 3: The other writers just shrugged their shoulders. At least they
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Speaker 3: accepted the apology and said, it's just the first lap.
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Speaker 3: It's just what happens. But in terms of the rest
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Speaker 3: of this year, it's kind of got that feeling now
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Speaker 3: that it's like anyone who has quit a job that
15:26
Speaker 3: is serving out there one week, two weeks, one month notice,
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Speaker 3: whatever it might be. It's got a bit of that
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Speaker 3: about it now, in that both parties have decided that
15:34
Speaker 3: they're not going to continue. Jack's known this for a
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Speaker 3: fair while. He's also got twenty twenty five sorted now,
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Speaker 3: which I think adds a different dynamic into the mix
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Speaker 3: in that he knows that in five rounds time. He's
15:46
Speaker 3: not going to be writing for KTM anymore, and it's
15:48
Speaker 3: not like he's finishing up or he's going to another series.
15:51
Speaker 3: He knows he'll be back in Moto GP with a
15:52
Speaker 3: different manufacturer and a different team next year. So he's
15:56
Speaker 3: the equivalent of the guy serving out notice at his
15:58
Speaker 3: current job. He said on Sunday that the accident was
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Speaker 3: one thing, but the onus is on him to not
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Speaker 3: be so far down on the grid because you know,
16:08
Speaker 3: you look at the first lap, the TV shot always
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Speaker 3: focuses on the riders at the front, as it should,
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Speaker 3: but you get past about P eight, p ten in
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Speaker 3: that pack, it's madness back there, And partly because the
16:19
Speaker 3: machinery is so competitive, but also partly because I think
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Speaker 3: the riders now know that it's so hard to pass
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Speaker 3: in races that you can make heaps of places up
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Speaker 3: on the first lap if you're super aggressive, because the
16:30
Speaker 3: races tend to settle into a rhythm after that because
16:32
Speaker 3: overtaking is difficult. So I reckon there's more risks being
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Speaker 3: taken in the midpack now than there's ever been, and
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Speaker 3: it's kind of amazing that we don't have more incidents
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Speaker 3: like this on the first lap, particularly with the nature
16:42
Speaker 3: of some of these tracks, but that first sector at
16:45
Speaker 3: Mandalika series of switchbacks, not a lot of room there.
16:49
Speaker 3: And the fact that if Jacket had that accident on
16:51
Speaker 3: the outside and taking himself out and skittled across the
16:54
Speaker 3: gravel there, then he's the only one that's out of
16:56
Speaker 3: the race. The fact that happened on the inside, that
16:58
Speaker 3: he was pinched against the curb and then lost front.
17:01
Speaker 3: It was unfortunate, but it just turned into a game
17:02
Speaker 3: of dominoes after that, and a few of these, a
17:05
Speaker 3: few of his peers would just unlucky to be in
17:07
Speaker 3: the wrong place at the wrong time.
17:08
Speaker 1: I guess we spoke about qualifying, and because I want
17:11
Speaker 1: to touch on that a little bit, is we saw
17:13
Speaker 1: Peco Banyaya qualifier on the second row of the grid.
17:16
Speaker 1: But it seems like he's really struggling with his starts
17:20
Speaker 1: at the moment. And I guess my question to you
17:24
Speaker 1: is is this what is going to maybe cause Peco
17:28
Speaker 1: to possibly lose the championship. Is it just the lack
17:30
Speaker 1: of studs or do you think that the lack of
17:32
Speaker 1: the start and that the troubles there is the pressure
17:35
Speaker 1: getting to him.
17:37
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the pressure as such. He
17:39
Speaker 3: I don't think he's impervious to pressure. I think it
17:41
Speaker 3: just probably manifests itself in different ways with him that
17:45
Speaker 3: you're right about he starts. I mean, you think back
17:46
Speaker 3: to the last couple of rounds, you know, particularly I'm
17:49
Speaker 3: thinking Massano, where Martin was awesome off the start at Massano,
17:54
Speaker 3: he was pretty good on the weekend from Pole. But
17:57
Speaker 3: of the two of them, you would suspect that Martine's
18:00
Speaker 3: probably going to qualify the better of the two across
18:03
Speaker 3: these next five rounds. And because we've got the sprints,
18:05
Speaker 3: it's ten race starts, and you would probably back Martine
18:10
Speaker 3: to get the majority of those, right. Bannon starts have
18:13
Speaker 3: been an issue now for a while, and he's having
18:16
Speaker 3: these curious races that we saw this a bit on Sunday,
18:19
Speaker 3: just as we'd seen the previous Sunday at Massano. The
18:22
Speaker 3: start gets off the line pretty slowly first few laps,
18:25
Speaker 3: so so it takes him a while to build the
18:28
Speaker 3: tire temperature that he wants to have the confidence to
18:31
Speaker 3: really push. And then what we saw at Mandalika on
18:33
Speaker 3: Sunday is he got stuck behind some other deucaddies, and
18:36
Speaker 3: when you're riding against guys who are from the same factory,
18:40
Speaker 3: whether it's the GP twenty four or the GP twenty three,
18:42
Speaker 3: they both have their different strengths. He knows what he's
18:44
Speaker 3: fighting against. You're dealing with saw in front tire pressures,
18:48
Speaker 3: so it takes him a while to get back to
18:50
Speaker 3: probably where he should be finishing, and so on Sunday,
18:56
Speaker 3: you'd say third is probably the best things could have
18:58
Speaker 3: got given how bad the start was. But it wasn't
19:00
Speaker 3: even a super competitive third, in that he was a
19:02
Speaker 3: fair way away from second. Martin was pretty untroubled upfront.
19:06
Speaker 3: And the difference this year compared to the last, of course,
19:08
Speaker 3: is that he's not the writer in the ascendancy. And
19:11
Speaker 3: I was looking at this before. We've got five rounds
19:13
Speaker 3: to go. Martin has a twenty one point championship lead.
19:16
Speaker 3: We're five rounds to go. Last year, Bagya, I had
19:18
Speaker 3: an eighteen point championship lead. So we've had that many
19:21
Speaker 3: crashes and weird twists and turns this year, but we've
19:24
Speaker 3: kind of ended up in the same statistical place as
19:27
Speaker 3: we were twelve months ago. It's just at this time,
19:30
Speaker 3: Peco is the hunter rather is hunting rather than being hunted.
19:35
Speaker 3: That's the difference between the two. But these starts, you know,
19:37
Speaker 3: it's becoming an issue now because once or twice a
19:41
Speaker 3: season you can shrug your shoulders and say, Okay, it's
19:43
Speaker 3: going to happen. It's happening too regularly, and he's putting
19:46
Speaker 3: himself on the back foot and giving himself too.
19:48
Speaker 2: Much to do.
19:49
Speaker 3: And I don't about you, but the whole season I've
19:52
Speaker 3: been thinking this still feels like Bangya's title to lose.
19:57
Speaker 3: I trust him more to deliver when it comes down
19:59
Speaker 3: to the crunch that twenty one point deficit. Now he's
20:03
Speaker 3: not on this super tight rope yet because there's still
20:05
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty five points to play for, but
20:08
Speaker 3: one more D and F at this point for Banyaya.
20:11
Speaker 3: How costly is that going to be? Because I don't
20:14
Speaker 3: think he's going to be in control anymore now. The
20:17
Speaker 3: flip side to that is you've got to trust Martine
20:19
Speaker 3: to capitalize on the advantage that he has. But these
20:22
Speaker 3: starts are an area that he definitely needs to clean
20:24
Speaker 3: up because we're getting to the point now where one
20:26
Speaker 3: or two more bad starts could have pretty severe consequences.
20:29
Speaker 1: I reckon, Oh, definitely. I think that it's going to
20:33
Speaker 1: be really interesting to see now where we're at this point.
20:36
Speaker 1: It's a sticky point, I guess where it really could
20:39
Speaker 1: go either way. And they're kind of hoping that either
20:42
Speaker 1: they can maximize or the weaknesses they can strengthen, or
20:47
Speaker 1: the other person will make a mistake and their weaknesses
20:51
Speaker 1: become too weak and they you know, crash out of front.
20:54
Speaker 1: So it's this game of cat and mouse where they're like,
20:57
Speaker 1: I need to better myself, but also I don't want
20:59
Speaker 1: the other one to keep bettering themselves.
21:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's got this sort of narrative about it
21:04
Speaker 3: now where I feel this championship might be won by
21:07
Speaker 3: the rider who makes the fewest mistakes rather than just
21:11
Speaker 3: outrightly goes out there and wins it. It's got that
21:13
Speaker 3: sort of feel about it. And I think we'll look
21:15
Speaker 3: back at this season and think about the points that
21:19
Speaker 3: both of these championship protagonists have thrown away from advantageous
21:23
Speaker 3: positions in.
21:24
Speaker 2: The lead or on podiums.
21:25
Speaker 3: It'll come down to who loses the least, if.
21:29
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
21:30
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is necessarily going to be
21:31
Speaker 3: one of these two saying, right, grab this thing by
21:34
Speaker 3: the horns in the next five rounds and clear off.
21:36
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be determined by who makes
21:39
Speaker 3: the fewest mistakes. And you've now got this other factor
21:42
Speaker 3: now that the pressure will start to ramp up as
21:45
Speaker 3: this advantage that Martin has maintains. And look, you know
21:49
Speaker 3: Baanyai took three points out of him over the course
21:52
Speaker 3: of the Mandalika weekend for all those twists and turns,
21:54
Speaker 3: with the Sprint and the Grand Prix. Three points a weekend.
21:57
Speaker 3: Is it enough now for Banyaya? Because if it's only
21:59
Speaker 3: three once a weekend, he does not win the World Championship.
22:02
Speaker 3: So you know it's it's on Martin's racket to use
22:05
Speaker 3: a tennis term. But I'm having trust issues with both
22:08
Speaker 3: of these guys this year, and you can't help but wonder, like,
22:12
Speaker 3: so Bastiunini and Marquees. Now you know they're mathematically still
22:16
Speaker 3: in it, but we know they're pretty much out of it.
22:17
Speaker 3: Crash with Bastunini, engine failure for Marquees on Sunday at Mandalika.
22:22
Speaker 3: This seems to be a season that those two must
22:24
Speaker 3: be thinking. Man, these two up the front, have left
22:26
Speaker 3: so many opportunities for us to be right in the
22:28
Speaker 3: championship fight until the end, and we haven't taken advantage
22:32
Speaker 3: of that. So it's a bit of an opportunity lost
22:34
Speaker 3: for them because I think both Banyara and Martin have
22:36
Speaker 3: left the door open enough that there probably should be
22:39
Speaker 3: more than just those two in.
22:40
Speaker 1: The mix, I think for Mark, and I was just
22:43
Speaker 1: thinking that, oh, we haven't touched on Mark Marquez this
22:45
Speaker 1: weekend because there's been so much other interesting and exciting
22:48
Speaker 1: things happening. But Marks Mike caught on fire this weekend,
22:52
Speaker 1: still manage you get third in the sprint. Obviously, if
22:56
Speaker 1: that technical the engine didn't blow and he didn't have
22:59
Speaker 1: that fight, I think that we'd still be saying, oh,
23:02
Speaker 1: Mark is in the title fight right, because he would
23:05
Speaker 1: have been on the podium it. You know, it would
23:07
Speaker 1: have been a lot closer, and I think as frustrating
23:11
Speaker 1: as it it possibly is, I think Marcez, knowing that
23:14
Speaker 1: he's going to the Factory team next year, when I
23:17
Speaker 1: read an article saying that, he was like, you know,
23:19
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for the team because it's an expensive
23:22
Speaker 1: thing to replace, Like an engine blowing up, You're like, okay, cool.
23:26
Speaker 1: He knows that maybe this year he could have potentially,
23:30
Speaker 1: you know, fought for the title a bit more, even
23:32
Speaker 1: possibly won it or come second. But he's using it
23:35
Speaker 1: as a learning year. I think now he's maybe accepted
23:39
Speaker 1: that and gone, Okay, next year, I'm really going to focus.
23:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, other than whoever wins the World Championship, I think
23:45
Speaker 3: to me, he's almost the biggest winner of this year,
23:47
Speaker 3: whether he finishes third or fourth in the championship. And
23:50
Speaker 3: when you're a six top world champion in murdor GP,
23:53
Speaker 3: finishing third or fourth isn't going to exactly get you
23:55
Speaker 3: that excited. But for me, his biggest victories this year
23:58
Speaker 3: is he's got himself in bettered into Jucaddi and he
24:01
Speaker 3: now knows how it works, and he's managed to win
24:03
Speaker 3: a couple of Grand Prix already. So there's not going
24:05
Speaker 3: to be that go to the factory team. So when
24:07
Speaker 3: are you going to win your first race on a
24:09
Speaker 3: Ducaddi marketing, We've already answered that that box has been
24:11
Speaker 3: ticked already. So for mine, he knows he's still got
24:15
Speaker 3: the speed. He still manages to conjure these crazy podiums
24:20
Speaker 3: out of terrible qualifyings and we're almost taking it for
24:22
Speaker 3: granted now, and that he's come from outside the top
24:24
Speaker 3: ten again and finished.
24:26
Speaker 2: On the podium in a sprint.
24:27
Speaker 3: To my mind, I reckon that's at least four times
24:29
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, without really diving into
24:31
Speaker 3: the stats, that he's done that this year. If any
24:33
Speaker 3: other rider did that once, we'd be carrying on about
24:36
Speaker 3: it like it was the greatest thing ever. And we
24:37
Speaker 3: almost take his ability on first laps for granted. The
24:42
Speaker 3: replay of the first lap of the sprint was just
24:44
Speaker 3: comical with the way he picked his way through to
24:47
Speaker 3: get himself in the top five after one corner. So
24:50
Speaker 3: it's been a really successful year for him. But the
24:55
Speaker 3: narrative of next year, I love this for next year
24:58
Speaker 3: because he's either going to be going in to a
25:00
Speaker 3: team where Banyai is a three time running world champion,
25:04
Speaker 3: or he's going to be going into a team where
25:05
Speaker 3: Banyaya is going to be chasing from losing the title
25:08
Speaker 3: to Martin. And now he's got this force coming in
25:11
Speaker 3: on the same bike on the other side of the garage.
25:14
Speaker 3: It's going to be so good. I'm really looking forward
25:16
Speaker 3: to see how these last five rounds of this year ago,
25:19
Speaker 3: but twenty twenty five, Like, I'm literally rubbing my hairs
25:22
Speaker 3: together because this is going to be so much fun.
25:25
Speaker 1: You know what I found hilarious this weekend was when
25:27
Speaker 1: I think it was in qualifying, Peco ran out of
25:29
Speaker 1: fuel and Marcus gave him the little toe, and I
25:33
Speaker 1: saw some memes on social media where they're saying they've
25:38
Speaker 1: Pecko has gone back into the pit box and it's
25:40
Speaker 1: Peco Valentino's on the phone. He wants to know what
25:42
Speaker 1: you're doing with the enemy.
25:45
Speaker 2: That was so funny.
25:47
Speaker 3: It just so happened to be that Marquez was the
25:49
Speaker 3: nearest guy on the track after Picko and run out
25:51
Speaker 3: of fuel. And I'm sure there's a little part of
25:53
Speaker 3: Peco appreciative of the lift back to the pits as
25:56
Speaker 3: it were, but he's probably thinking, oh man, this is
25:58
Speaker 3: going to play out badly on.
25:59
Speaker 2: Social media year as well.
26:00
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was very funny, and Barker's Big Markets
26:03
Speaker 3: he would have just enjoyed. There's like some subtle trolley
26:06
Speaker 3: guy got there as well.
26:07
Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoyed that.
26:09
Speaker 1: It was very good. I did like that, but we
26:13
Speaker 1: touched on it earlier and I just want to clarify
26:15
Speaker 1: I for other people listening if they're unsure. So we
26:17
Speaker 1: had some potential high pressure penalties or infringements that got
26:21
Speaker 1: flagged during the cool down lap of the main Grand
26:24
Speaker 1: Prix that included Pedro Costa. Like we said earlier, Brad
26:27
Speaker 1: Binda and Taka Nakagami and I kind of mentioned it
26:32
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier in the fact that we saw
26:34
Speaker 1: Pedro kind of not celebrating on the podium because unsure
26:37
Speaker 1: of whether he was going to get that the penalty
26:40
Speaker 1: sort of in sixteen second penalty, he would have lost
26:43
Speaker 1: his podium position and relegated down the back of the field.
26:48
Speaker 1: It's we haven't had a lot of these this year,
26:50
Speaker 1: which has been really good. But what I think is
26:53
Speaker 1: so frustrating is the fact that you know, these they
26:55
Speaker 1: do the podiums and all the celebration and media and
26:57
Speaker 1: everything straight after, yet were I'm still waiting sitting here
27:01
Speaker 1: waiting whether you know, are they going to get relegated?
27:04
Speaker 1: Are they not? And then they did Pedro first, which
27:06
Speaker 1: is cool, great, but then what about Brad? And then
27:08
Speaker 1: they did him after attack and we found out that
27:10
Speaker 1: obviously Pedro and Brad did not get an infringement. I'm
27:14
Speaker 1: unsure about attacker, so you can answer that one for me.
27:17
Speaker 1: But there's so much segoes into it, and I understand that,
27:21
Speaker 1: but as a fan of the sport and the entertainment,
27:24
Speaker 1: it is so frustrating while you're waiting for the results massively.
27:28
Speaker 3: So we were laughing before we came on here today
27:30
Speaker 3: that the only good thing about there being tire pressure
27:32
Speaker 3: investigations after the race it was happening to at six
27:34
Speaker 3: pm Australian time rather than about midnight, which was a
27:38
Speaker 3: win for anyone working on it in these parts. But
27:41
Speaker 3: I'm sort of torn with this because you know, the
27:45
Speaker 3: tire pressure rules are controversial, but they are there. Everyone
27:48
Speaker 3: knows that they are there. You want to get the
27:51
Speaker 3: results right. You don't want anyone having a position based
27:55
Speaker 3: off something that they were doing that was illegal. Whether
27:57
Speaker 3: that's inadvertent or whether it's intentional who it doesn't really
27:59
Speaker 3: matter true. If it's illegal, it's illegal. If it crosses
28:01
Speaker 3: the line. It's the amount of time that it takes
28:04
Speaker 3: to process the results after the race that's the issue
28:07
Speaker 3: for me. But by the flip side, now, the same token,
28:10
Speaker 3: you don't want to rush this because you want to
28:12
Speaker 3: make sure that your adjudication is one hundred percent correct.
28:14
Speaker 3: So there's no perfect answer to this. The biggest issue
28:17
Speaker 3: for me is, say we have a live championship decider
28:21
Speaker 3: in Valencia, and let's say Jorge Martine crosses the line
28:25
Speaker 3: and he's won the World Championship, and everyone puts on
28:28
Speaker 3: the championship t shirts and we have the trophy at
28:30
Speaker 3: everything else. Imagine having this looming dark cloud of all
28:35
Speaker 3: three riders on the podium are being investigated for high
28:37
Speaker 3: pressure penalties, and we all sit round and wait for
28:39
Speaker 3: two hours, and so the occasion in the moment gets lost.
28:43
Speaker 3: And I would hate for a World Championship to be
28:46
Speaker 3: decided by a technical infringement because nobody wants to see that.
28:49
Speaker 3: This is not how international sport generally works. We don't
28:52
Speaker 3: want it to end this way. So it's difficult with
28:55
Speaker 3: the timing of these things. The surprising thing for me
28:58
Speaker 3: about you, but whenever they issue these investigations for high
29:01
Speaker 3: pressure penalties, they're as good as a penalty normally because
29:04
Speaker 3: you very rarely see them rescinded or taken back. So
29:08
Speaker 3: I was actually really surprised that Acosta and Binda both
29:11
Speaker 3: got to keep their places now. Acostas was because there
29:14
Speaker 3: was a leaking wheel rim once they had done the tests,
29:16
Speaker 3: which took about two hours, so at least they came
29:19
Speaker 3: to the correct decision. But you mentioned Nakagami before. He
29:22
Speaker 3: had a sixteen second time penalty after he had finished eleventh,
29:24
Speaker 3: which dropped him to twelfth in the back of the
29:26
Speaker 3: field because only twelve riders finished, so it didn't change
29:29
Speaker 3: anyone's life. It gave him one fewer point and gave
29:32
Speaker 3: Alex Rinns one more point. So Motor GP kind of
29:36
Speaker 3: got away with it in Indonesia on the weekend because yeah,
29:39
Speaker 3: it took probably far too long, but at least it
29:41
Speaker 3: was a correct outcome. But I don't know about you.
29:43
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at Valencia at the end of the
29:45
Speaker 3: year going, oh, man, I really hope that if we
29:49
Speaker 3: get a championship fight in the last round I've had
29:51
Speaker 3: the last two years, let's settle this on track and
29:54
Speaker 3: in a timely fashion and so we can enjoy the
29:56
Speaker 3: moment rather than sitting there going, well, are we going
29:58
Speaker 3: to get penalties here?
30:00
Speaker 2: Are we not?
30:01
Speaker 3: There's a wider issue here with the front tier that
30:03
Speaker 3: was going to be brought in for next year that
30:05
Speaker 3: is now not because of a lack of testing and
30:07
Speaker 3: mischell that aren't ready and the teams aren't ready. That's
30:09
Speaker 3: almost a separate podcast series, little load of podcasts. But yeah,
30:13
Speaker 3: it's a difficult one because it's live sport, and the
30:16
Speaker 3: lasting anybody wants when they've sat and consumed a race
30:19
Speaker 3: and enjoyed it is to find out three hours later
30:21
Speaker 3: that the results completely different. So there's got to be
30:24
Speaker 3: a better way. I don't know what that way is,
30:26
Speaker 3: but the way it's being done right now, I'm not
30:29
Speaker 3: sure is the greatest solution.
30:31
Speaker 1: I agree, And I was just thinking that when you're
30:32
Speaker 1: talking and going well instead of us like sitting around
30:34
Speaker 1: waiting for results, could they not going into the following
30:38
Speaker 1: race to the person has a long light penalty or
30:42
Speaker 1: they have a grid a three grid position deduction or
30:45
Speaker 1: something like that where it's like, okay, the results that
30:47
Speaker 1: come in, you can keep whatever you've got there, but
30:50
Speaker 1: we're going to hinder you for the next one, so
30:52
Speaker 1: they can't have just something different.
30:55
Speaker 3: I agree with you for ninety nine point nine percent
30:58
Speaker 3: of the season, but what happens if it's the last round?
31:00
Speaker 2: Then what do we do?
31:01
Speaker 1: So you have to start from the back of the
31:04
Speaker 1: credit man.
31:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can, you can keep your World championship. Yeah,
31:09
Speaker 4: there's no And that's the issue with this is the
31:11
Speaker 4: reason we talk about it, because every time you come
31:13
Speaker 4: up with a solution or a way around it, you
31:16
Speaker 4: find reasons to pick holes in it. So there's no
31:18
Speaker 4: perfect answer with this. It's just a really difficult situation.
31:23
Speaker 4: It would have been a huge injustice for the way
31:25
Speaker 4: Acosta road over the weekend had he have not been
31:27
Speaker 4: able to keep that podium, but neither he nor the
31:30
Speaker 4: team particularly seemed to enjoy it at the time because
31:32
Speaker 4: they are almost certain that they were going to get
31:34
Speaker 4: pushed down to I think ninth that would have been
31:35
Speaker 4: for a costa. So I guess all's well. That ends well,
31:38
Speaker 4: but a shame for them they didn't get to celebrate
31:40
Speaker 4: it properly.
31:41
Speaker 1: Shame for them. But in big Katie m news that
31:45
Speaker 1: we need to discuss, there has been some changes to management.
31:49
Speaker 1: So good Dottie, who you quite often will hear talking
31:52
Speaker 1: with the Krafa or any of the guys on the broadcast.
31:57
Speaker 1: He has been replaced at the Key Factory team as
32:01
Speaker 1: team manager and aki Io, who is the team manager
32:05
Speaker 1: of the lawyers, ktm Io brings a bell. He's going
32:09
Speaker 1: to step in to manage the factory team. Matt, what's
32:13
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this? Is this the right move by
32:15
Speaker 1: ktm I?
32:17
Speaker 3: Did you enjoy the fact that they sent out the
32:19
Speaker 3: press release at Goudotti was out on Sunday while all
32:22
Speaker 3: the Acosta Tigh pressure penalty situation was going on, talking
32:24
Speaker 3: about burying the lead like the race had finished an
32:27
Speaker 3: hour before, and it's like, oh, by the way, our
32:29
Speaker 3: team managers being sacked. But it was kind of the
32:31
Speaker 3: worst kept secret because it had been discussed openly for
32:34
Speaker 3: a while.
32:35
Speaker 2: The achi Io.
32:37
Speaker 3: Appointment as team manager at KATM is really interesting to
32:39
Speaker 3: me because he's a guy who we haven't seen him
32:43
Speaker 3: in Motor GP, but he shaped so many of the
32:45
Speaker 3: writers that have come through to Motor GP in that
32:48
Speaker 3: he's been kind of the guy who's the king maker
32:51
Speaker 3: in the lower classes for a long long time now,
32:53
Speaker 3: going back as far as Mark Markers and Brad Binder.
32:55
Speaker 3: Of course, he had Rebby Gardner take that world championship
32:58
Speaker 3: in his Moto IWO team, and he's also been Jack
33:00
Speaker 3: Miller's personal manager for the majority of Jack's Premier class career,
33:04
Speaker 3: so super interesting that he's now stepping up to the
33:09
Speaker 3: main game. He's got this empire of teams with Moto
33:13
Speaker 3: two and Moto three that I'm assuming that his son
33:15
Speaker 3: Nicky will end up runn Nicky was a writer in
33:17
Speaker 3: his own right back in the day. But anyone that's
33:21
Speaker 3: worked with Aki, and it's a cliche at a stereotype
33:24
Speaker 3: with the finish in motorsport. Generally they're pretty economical with
33:27
Speaker 3: their words. They don't necessarily have airs and grace as
33:30
Speaker 3: it's just very matter of fact, let's just get on
33:33
Speaker 3: with this. Here's a clear path, we need to follow.
33:35
Speaker 2: This, go and do it.
33:36
Speaker 3: And I can't help but wonder whether that's the right
33:40
Speaker 3: thing for katm at this time, because quite frankly, Katim
33:43
Speaker 3: has been very disappointing this year based off what they
33:46
Speaker 3: did in twenty twenty twenty three. Yes, I've been quite
33:49
Speaker 3: disappointing this year. No wins, only that one podium for
33:52
Speaker 3: Brad Binder in the first racing Qatar. So I think
33:56
Speaker 3: it can only be a positive of having someone who's
33:58
Speaker 3: a straight shooter like Aki running things. And also, of
34:01
Speaker 3: course he worked with Petro Acosta when Pedro Coosta was
34:04
Speaker 3: in Moto II and won a World championship there. So
34:07
Speaker 3: given what we were saying about twenty minutes ago about
34:09
Speaker 3: a Costa, you know, KATIM becoming a Costa's team really
34:13
Speaker 3: next year. I don't think it's a coincidence that someone
34:15
Speaker 3: who's worked successfully with him in the past is coming
34:17
Speaker 3: in to run the show. So I don't think it
34:20
Speaker 3: can be anything but a positive appointment.
34:22
Speaker 2: But I do wonder.
34:23
Speaker 3: Whether KATM have bigger issues than simply changing the team manager,
34:28
Speaker 3: because that's a team that has gone it's stalled out
34:31
Speaker 3: or gone backwards this year, and that's not what KATIM
34:34
Speaker 3: will want because they have aspirations for much bigger things
34:36
Speaker 3: than that.
34:37
Speaker 1: I think for KTM it could only help, possibly purely
34:42
Speaker 1: because we spoke about when Ramy was on the podcast,
34:46
Speaker 1: talking about how KATM tend to handle situations and things
34:50
Speaker 1: or letting their writers go, and maybe because Achiio does
34:54
Speaker 1: have quite a good relationship with a lot of these writers,
34:57
Speaker 1: it might be handled a little bit better rather than
35:01
Speaker 1: letting go. And we were talking off her about Daniel
35:03
Speaker 1: Ricardo because obviously that's big news in the Formula one world,
35:06
Speaker 1: and it seems like sometimes a katm they can just
35:11
Speaker 1: kick someone to the curve as nicely put, maybe this
35:14
Speaker 1: is a better way of handling situations.
35:18
Speaker 3: Well, I think they sort of their philosophy on right.
35:20
Speaker 3: This is the kind of like light bulbs, like where
35:21
Speaker 3: one doesn't work. He just done screwed and screwed you
35:23
Speaker 3: right in there, and see how you go with that.
35:25
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of personal touch there in the past,
35:27
Speaker 3: but Aki comes in with a pretty impeccable track record.
35:32
Speaker 3: He's kind of the king maker of the lower classes,
35:34
Speaker 3: so definitely got the right CV for it, and it'll
35:37
Speaker 3: be interesting to see what impact he has once he
35:40
Speaker 3: gets his feet under the table for next season.
35:42
Speaker 1: Well, so you guys are still hanging out with us,
35:44
Speaker 1: we're going to chat about Moto too because we've got
35:46
Speaker 1: to talk about Center. Made it into Q two, but
35:50
Speaker 1: that early collision left him with the DNF and it
35:53
Speaker 1: was sad because he he looked fast all weekend this
35:57
Speaker 1: weekend Indonesia. It looked like the track suited and he
35:59
Speaker 1: looked comfortable on the bike. I feel like he could
36:02
Speaker 1: have been easy in a top ten for the race.
36:05
Speaker 2: It was all very sad for Australians.
36:07
Speaker 3: On Sunday, wasn't it at Mandaleka, I felt like getting
36:09
Speaker 3: the violin and it was also a bit sad. The
36:11
Speaker 3: good news for center Ages is he at least he
36:13
Speaker 3: did seven more quarters than Jack Miller. We're looking for positives,
36:16
Speaker 3: but now, look, it was a shame because he looked
36:18
Speaker 3: pretty quick the entire weekend qualifying, probably a little bit
36:21
Speaker 3: lower than he would have thought in sixteenth, but yeah,
36:24
Speaker 3: got as far as turn ten and in the craziness
36:27
Speaker 3: of the first lap, as we were talking about before,
36:29
Speaker 3: his unfortunately came a cropper there. So disappointing for him.
36:33
Speaker 3: But it was kind of a continuation of a theme
36:36
Speaker 3: in that we only had one of our four rossies
36:38
Speaker 3: in the World Championship score points on the weekend.
36:39
Speaker 2: That was Joel.
36:40
Speaker 3: Kelso in Moto three, and he was really really unhappy
36:44
Speaker 3: with how that race was on Sunday for him. Finished eighth,
36:48
Speaker 3: so he one point eight seconds off the wind, but
36:50
Speaker 3: he said it was simply not good enough. So he said,
36:53
Speaker 3: six top tens in a row, but he's just still
36:55
Speaker 3: that little bit out of the podium fire and it
36:58
Speaker 3: sounds like he's getting sick of vegan the main pack
37:00
Speaker 3: but not taking any trophies. Home with him, but it was,
37:04
Speaker 3: as I was saying before, it's just one of those
37:05
Speaker 3: difficult weekends for the Aussies where he came home in eighth.
37:09
Speaker 3: Jacob Rolston had another pretty messy weekend long lap penalty,
37:12
Speaker 3: finished outside of the points in sixteenth and Herve Pontreal
37:16
Speaker 3: gave him another rocket after the race, which is something
37:18
Speaker 3: we talked about after Massano as well. So you had
37:21
Speaker 3: the the AGSDNF, the Miller dn F and Jacob Rowlson
37:24
Speaker 3: missing the points. That was a Joel Kelso flying the
37:27
Speaker 3: flag and he was only half heartedly doing that because
37:29
Speaker 3: he wasn't massively impressed with what he'd done. So just
37:32
Speaker 3: one of those weird afternoons, Wasn't.
37:33
Speaker 1: It weird afternoons? And I do feel for Alston because
37:36
Speaker 1: he got caught up in that collision earlier on in
37:38
Speaker 1: the weekend with Daniel Rocado's teammate and he just said
37:41
Speaker 1: I had no where to go. So he had an
37:44
Speaker 1: unintentional crash, which I think every time he has these crashes,
37:48
Speaker 1: and they're not little just slide down the roads, they
37:50
Speaker 1: look like big eye sides the poor. Yeah, it just
37:53
Speaker 1: sets him back for another weekend and it just feels
37:55
Speaker 1: like you can't catch a brake right now.
37:57
Speaker 3: He just needs a clean weekend. It doesn't even have
37:59
Speaker 3: to be in a result. He just needs to have
38:01
Speaker 3: a weekend where he methodically builds and he doesn't come
38:04
Speaker 3: off and he doesn't get taken out and has a
38:07
Speaker 3: reasonably clean race. I mean, you would accept a perfectly
38:10
Speaker 3: you know, vanilla and dull eleventh right now, just to
38:13
Speaker 3: get things back on track as they were earlier in
38:15
Speaker 3: the year. And we said this on our podcast last week.
38:18
Speaker 3: He's on balance. He's probably had pretty much the year
38:21
Speaker 3: that you would expect. It's just strange that it was
38:24
Speaker 3: so good so early and it's tailed off so dramatically
38:27
Speaker 3: since the mid part of the season.
38:28
Speaker 2: So I think he.
38:29
Speaker 3: Would take a perfectly acceptable, boring, normal result. And then
38:33
Speaker 3: of course the race after Japan is he's home grown
38:35
Speaker 3: Prix and he'll be super.
38:37
Speaker 2: Pumped for that.
38:38
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. But guys, if you don't watch Moto three, honestly,
38:42
Speaker 1: can I recommend that you go and make some time
38:45
Speaker 1: and watch it because that last lap, oh, it is
38:48
Speaker 1: some of the best racing you'll ever get to see.
38:51
Speaker 1: And we love Motor GP, love Motor two, but Moto three,
38:54
Speaker 1: those kids are going for it NonStop.
38:57
Speaker 3: And what's amazing to me with it is that if
38:59
Speaker 3: you only look at championship standings in Moto three and
39:01
Speaker 3: you saw the lead that David Altzo had and you
39:03
Speaker 3: can actually win the World Championship this coming Sunday at
39:06
Speaker 3: Motigi in Japan, you'd think, well, this is a little
39:08
Speaker 3: bit boring. The same guy seems to win most of
39:10
Speaker 3: the races. But I think this is why people are
39:12
Speaker 3: so excited about this kid, in that it's a jungle
39:15
Speaker 3: out there in Moto three. It's absolutely wild, and you
39:19
Speaker 3: would think, given the craziness of those races at the front,
39:22
Speaker 3: how can you have a guy who is able to
39:24
Speaker 3: win from these positions of disadvantage In the last couple
39:28
Speaker 3: of laps. He is an absolute killer in the last
39:31
Speaker 3: couple of laps. I love the way he's going about it,
39:33
Speaker 3: and you know, there's shades of young Acosta and young
39:36
Speaker 3: Marquez and this kid. I think he's going to be
39:38
Speaker 3: someone who's going to have a pretty long and successful
39:40
Speaker 3: Motor GP career before too long. But the last three
39:44
Speaker 3: laps of Moto three comes a point where you know,
39:47
Speaker 3: I take pretty studious notes when I'm reporting on these things,
39:49
Speaker 3: it comes to the point where you just throw your
39:51
Speaker 3: hands in the air and say, I don't know what's
39:53
Speaker 3: going to happen. At this point, I'm just going to
39:54
Speaker 3: enjoy the ride because it's it's definitely the most entertaining
39:58
Speaker 3: five minutes of Animoto GP race weekend, the finale of
40:00
Speaker 3: photo three.
40:01
Speaker 2: It's awesome, TOV.
40:03
Speaker 1: The best racing you'll ever find out, La, let me
40:06
Speaker 1: start it again. The best racing that you'll ever see
40:08
Speaker 1: on TV. But what I was gonna say is, guess what, guys,
40:11
Speaker 1: it's back this weekend because the Moto GP heads to Japan,
40:16
Speaker 1: So for your Indonesian Grand Prix review, that is all
40:19
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40:21
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40:24
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40:27
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40:41
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40:44
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40:46
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