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Sunday Night CrossFit Talk - Penalties, Penalties and More Penalties! · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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what is going on everybody
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welcome to thursday night
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crossfit talk on a sunday
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night um we did that
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originally because of the
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nfl draft and I am a huge
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nfl fan and wanted to
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partake in that and then
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all hell broke loose and
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it's probably a good thing
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we did it because we know
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more today than we ever
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would have known on
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thursday night so we can
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actually discuss a little
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bit more as to what's going on uh tonight
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So before we get into all that,
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I don't know if you've
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They are doing up the screens now.
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You'll be able to go to the
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But it will feature the new logo.
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uh for the first run and uh
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that'll be available in the
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next week or so so super
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amazing and again one of
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Yeah, they've got some hilarious ones.
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They have a ladies one
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that's cute but psycho.
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He's got a ton of funny ones.
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Mark actually goes to my gym
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and he does all of our gym wear.
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So I love it.
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I'm biased because he's a member,
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but I love it.
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yeah speaking of sponsors if
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anyone want to help sponsor
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my trip to semifinals just
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throwing it out there
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started paying for my trip
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and stuff and I was like
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god damn this is getting
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expensive yeah well
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speaking of semifinals um
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going to do some fun stuff
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later because this has been
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the whole week from the
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crossfit world it is
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semi-finals or
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quarterfinals finished
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videos were submitted um it
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was sometime on wednesday I
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believe penalties started
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to be issued and the
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leaderboards leaderboards
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changed dramatically so
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I was on with Tristan,
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Jamie's coach on Thursday.
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We talked about this and I
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said on that show and I put
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a reel out about it.
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This is what we've been
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asking for consistency, professionalism,
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standard of movement.
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Now everybody's going crazy
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because they're implementing it.
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I do agree.
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They should have
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communicated it at least some,
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if not a whole lot better.
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Um,
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But it's here.
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You two have not had a penalty yet.
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Carolyn,
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we can share with the world and I
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have it pulled up here.
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Let me see if I can find it again.
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I was going to post a video
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soon on my Instagram with all of my...
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Highlights from quarterfinals,
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including my box step-ups
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for people to see what standing up means.
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Validated all four workouts.
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Yes.
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Have you had any looked at, Jamie?
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I've had workout two validated.
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Okay.
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So that's the other thing
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that I'm not sure was
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communicated is how far
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down they are doing the video review.
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I've heard rumors of 80.
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Um,
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and that would make sense because Jamie
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was way up on workout two,
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but not that far up on workout one.
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So that would kind of make sense in there.
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Um, have you heard anything Carolyn?
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How far they're going back?
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Well,
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I know that everyone that is inside
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the top 40,
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like originally it was top 60
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was going to get their videos reviewed.
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And then every new person
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that's kind of entering the top 40,
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I'm assuming everybody was
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getting looked at.
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What's very interesting is the age group.
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I think their deadline for
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the video validation
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process is later and their
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semifinals is coming up.
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very soon but I guess
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they're probably thinking
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let's validate all of the
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individuals that actually
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have to have travel trips
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planned versus the age
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groups that are staying um
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online for their semi-final
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so um I think that the date
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for you guys a little bit
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later maybe a week later
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for jamie and the age group
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I think our I think it said
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may 1st was our deadline it
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was only a few days I
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thought only a few days after
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I mean, our time is May 8th,
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so if May 1st is the finalization,
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that gives you one week to
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get your crap together.
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Corey has moved into... Can
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you pull your mic a little bit closer?
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Yeah.
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Okay, cool.
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Bruce is asking Corey where did he end up.
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I see he has moved up to like 185.
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And it's top 200 for each age group,
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right?
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Awesome.
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Mm-hmm.
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So Corey could be a semifinalist.
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Yes.
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Put it in the Insta profile, Corey,
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in the bio.
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Yeah.
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So I ask you,
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is this what you wanted as an
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athlete to have?
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And I think I know the
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answer knowing the two of you,
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but I want to hear from you.
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Is this what you wanted?
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You go first.
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I mean, so yes, but I would,
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I need to caveat that with
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like just seeing like 600,
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700 people get dinged with
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no communication really
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other than helping document
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that shows the number of reps,
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still no reasoning, still no,
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like there's just no transparency.
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And I think that is so wrong.
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Yes, I want standards held,
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but I want them held like
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across the board.
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And I want it clear.
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I want, I want it very clear what,
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what was okayed and what was not okayed.
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Yeah.
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Um,
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I'm in agreement standards need to be
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held.
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Um,
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some standards were not held by the
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athletes.
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I thought the wording was pretty clear.
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Um, I think.
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Where CrossFit needs to
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communicate better is in the penalties.
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And that part is subjective a little bit.
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Like some people have,
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let's say most of the reps
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are good and then some bad
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reps and they're still
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getting the 15 or 20% penalty.
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And some people,
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all of their reps look bad.
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that I guess,
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or not no reps and they're
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getting similar types of penalties.
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So I guess just in that communication,
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like which reps would be nice to,
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to write.
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And then in the past, actually,
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I don't think they did that
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on the scorecard of like,
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what the no reps will be for penalties.
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I think they did some
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penalties last year in the quarterfinals.
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Remember they had like a little thing.
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If you false start, you have this,
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this is the penalty.
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If you have this, this is the penalty.
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Something a little bit more
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clear like that would be
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nice in terms of exactly
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what is the penalty for
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that many or for that rule being broken.
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Yeah.
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We should be used to no
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transparency by now as much
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as we want it and need it.
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Yeah, on both of those.
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I have comments on both of those points.
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Like, Carolyn, like,
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what does a false start get you?
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Five seconds.
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What does... My issue is degree.
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And it seems to be kind of
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arbitrary this year.
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Like, they wrote, like, 15 to 40%.
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Like,
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who even knows what you're getting
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for what?
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Yeah.
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I personally feel like
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different movements deserve,
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and this gets into a super
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arbitrary point.
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So I understand it's
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probably like nearly impossible, but.
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someone not like completely
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not opening their hips and
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just getting up like at a
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45 degree angle on the box
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and going right back down
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without even trying to like
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put one of the other leg
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barely on the box is a
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completely different rep
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than a slightly soft knee
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where you actually like stood up.
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And the degree of not
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completing that rep and the
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ensuing fatigue is, is impacted.
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And like, I get it.
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It's like, you,
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how do you make those penalties?
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But like a missed double
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under is not the same as a
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push away ring muscle up.
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No rep.
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Like, I'm sorry.
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They're completely different,
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different things.
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And like,
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So like not,
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not getting shoulders back on
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a top of a box step up is, isn't like,
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isn't really where the
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movement fatigue is felt.
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So it's just, I don't know.
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I do,
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there is just degrees to the
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penalties and I understand
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that that's a realm that we
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probably can't touch.
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yeah uh it's just really
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hard to see I just kind of
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like look at everyone's
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writing online oh like the
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head can't look down the
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head can look down that's
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not where the issue is if
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you try to extend your hips
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your shoulders are not
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forward they're just not
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like if you finish your hip
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extensions your shoulders
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are in line it's not that
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hard of a standard to move like to do um
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Like people are like, Oh,
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that movement should not be online.
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It should have been a box step over maybe,
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but that was the movement.
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And I redid the workout
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because I did not like my
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original first reps.
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Like I was still a little
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bit over and I was like,
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know that I know that the
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shoulders need to be right in line.
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Cause I was giving a side
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angle of that movement and I was like,
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I have to redo it.
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So the next time I did it,
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opened up the hips,
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every single rep and like
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the shoulders fall back.
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Like I'm still looking at the box,
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but my shoulders are back.
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Everything is lined up.
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Um, like I don't think the,
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the standard is that difficult.
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I think a lot of people kind
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of treated it as a pistol
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where like they're finishing that one leg,
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especially if they're on
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the corner of the box and
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they're just tapping kind
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of like a pistol,
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like you're just done with
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that one and then you're
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kind of going the other
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side and the block step up
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is not a pistol in the
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sense that you have to have both feet up,
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both feet extend.
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And like some people are
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just finishing the one hip
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and the other one's tapping
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to come back down and it's
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just kind of treated as a
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pistol and it's not.
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that non-working leg was a
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major issue in a lot of videos I saw.
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So Andrew Sten says,
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CrossFit needs to be clear,
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needs clear set penalties, not a range.
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The rule book says 15 to 40%.
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I want to agree with this with an example.
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Years ago,
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the NFL had two different
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face-masking penalties,
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a 5-yard and a 15-yard,
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and it was up to the
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discretion of the referee.
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It became so inconsistent,
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they did away with that and
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said it's only 15 yards now.
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Right?
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So pro sports recognize that
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in the heat of the battle,
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it's hard to judge one or the other.
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let's just make it one and
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make it consistent across
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the board yeah yeah he's
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not wrong there like I
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that's where I'm saying
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like it's be there while I
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think there's degrees I i
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do realize it's probably
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impossible to implement but
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when he says a no rep is a no rep
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There's something to be said
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for what we have watched in
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this sport for years and
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what we watch happen live.
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And then what I watched like
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Pat Belner get no rep for.
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I, that personally, I don't,
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I don't think that would
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have been no rep at the games.
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I've seen clear no reps from other.
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I think he would get fixed one time.
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It would be no rep.
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And then he would fix it.
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That that's the thing with
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the in-person competition is,
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And like props to Pat for
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putting his whole video up
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because Pat's one of the best movers,
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we know that.
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But when I looked at the video, I was like,
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I do see what the judges see.
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And I saw the soft knee,
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I saw the hips not fully extended.
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And this has nothing to do
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against Pat's character and
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stuff like that.
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Like I've seen posts where
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people feel like we think
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that they're cheating and
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stuff like that.
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It has nothing to do with that.
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Like we're moving fast.
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People were on the wrong side of the line.
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And then they go and post
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one rep on their story or
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one rep or two reps on their post.
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And it's their best rep.
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And it's like, show me your full video.
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Right.
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Show me your full video.
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Then I'll see.
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But like most of the videos I've seen,
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I have seen the penalty and I'm like,
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I do see what the team has judged.
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Do I think the penalty fits the crime?
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That's where I think it's harsh, right?
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Like I think most of them I
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would have taken less reps away,
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but I can't deny and say
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that those reps were to the standards.
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think for the ones that I've
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seen I'm like yeah it's a
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penalty like I wish I could
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find it kelly stone at some
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point posted the email she
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got after her appeal was denied
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And if you read the email,
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that email says her sixth rep was good.
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And which one did she post?
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You can hear the judge saying six, seven,
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like those.
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That's the rep that the
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games team literally says was good.
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And I wanted to post and I'm like,
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what I wanted to point out
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is what you just said in the email.
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They said,
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this is not a judge on your character.
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This is just we evaluated the reps,
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made a decision based on the rep itself.
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We know you worked hard.
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We know you did all this stuff.
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I have been critical of
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CrossFit in their
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communications a lot in the
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last four years on this show.
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Kudos to whoever wrote that email.
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It was very well written,
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explained it in detail what was good.
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If you want to reference
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what a good rep is, go to Rep 6.
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If you want to – the rest
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we've held in question,
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and we're upholding your 165.
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Yeah.
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Yeah,
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it's just like the amount that it
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would drop people.
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I was like – like my heart
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feels for someone like Paige.
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I don't know if she has had any –
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communication on her appeal
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or whatever but like
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there's no way that she's
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that far down on the
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leaderboard right like it's
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just I think some of the
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penalties I wish I wish it
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wasn't a percentage and it
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was just like this rep is
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bad so we're gonna take
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that rep that like versus
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A percentage.
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I don't know how,
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cause it's like what half a
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second to open up your hips.
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Like, I don't know if you could say like,
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let's say one second, a bad rep,
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look at the time it takes
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for people to do reps.
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And I don't know if that would even work.
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I don't know how that would work,
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but it seems like the reps
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penalty is kind of absurd.
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I agree.
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That's, that's where my struggle comes in.
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I, I,
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In going through this,
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I tried to list what are
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the issues that CrossFit is
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facing with quarterfinals at this point?
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Money and time, probably most importantly.
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They started this now.
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They just brought in a ton
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of extra cash by doing this.
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A lot of people's comments have been,
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They shouldn't let 25 percent in.
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We got to go back to 10 or
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even 5 percent need to be in.
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We know that's probably not
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even going to be a
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resolution that they're
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even going to look at
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because they just got this
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influx of cash.
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And so I think that
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monetarily is a big thing
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we need to somehow
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brainstorm around and time small team.
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Right.
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They don't have the time to
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review that many videos.
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I would say I would argue
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the third thing is probably like control.
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we are,
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this goes back to what Andrew was
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saying with transparency.
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We're very aware that like,
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it almost seems they want
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to be secretive so that
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they can make the decisions
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that they want to make to
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like get the results that they want to.
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And I, and I could be completely wrong,
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but why people get so
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frustrated is the lack of transparency.
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And there's just not enough
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communication on.
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So I like for 0.1 and one
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specifically monetarily, I feel like
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I feel like what they need to do,
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go ahead and allow the 25% in out of,
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out of the open.
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And it's like,
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maybe we set it to $25 to
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compete and it's to compete,
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to get on a leaderboard.
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And it would be everyone
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that signs up would be on
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that leaderboard.
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Now, do you want to video?
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Cause I know there's a lot
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of people who don't want to
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want that hassle.
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Do you want a video and do
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you want a real reviewed
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shot at making it to either
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masters or indie?
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Okay.
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That one's going to be like 60 bucks.
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Maybe we find us a difference.
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Okay.
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So if you're on this leaderboard,
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It's only the people who are
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going to submit videos.
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You cannot submit a score
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without a video in there.
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And they will all go pop.
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public at the close of the
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score submissions that
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leaderboard is a video
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leaderboard that will be
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public to everybody at the
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end everyone else is on the
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other one same with those
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people so that everyone
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that just participated
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could possibly see well
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shoot I was like only 20
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spots out like maybe next
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year I should sign up for
19:07
the other one um it can't
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be two separate
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leaderboards there needs to
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be the the one but I feel
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like that way the
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These hundreds of people who
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don't even have a video,
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that page is now below,
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wouldn't be on this.
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She wouldn't even be up
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against those people in this situation.
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She would only be up against,
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and it could be 400 people.
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And again,
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that's why it needs to go public.
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And they're a small team.
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So point two, small team,
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make another influx of cash
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because nobody's going to
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sign up for the judge's
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course next year because it
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was completely pointless.
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Right.
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you make that leaderboard
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judgeable online by anyone
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who's done the judges
19:48
course and enough get flagged,
19:50
then it gets the deep review.
19:54
And so you've made more
19:55
money on a little bit
19:56
higher costs for signup.
19:58
You've made more money on
19:58
the judges review.
20:00
Like there's,
20:01
there's ways that they can be
20:03
a little more transparent
20:05
and get a little bit more
20:06
professionalism out of this sport,
20:08
but they need to like
20:10
relinquish a little bit of control.
20:16
I agree.
20:17
I love the idea.
20:23
Yeah.
20:24
I don't think having two
20:26
separate leaderboards will
20:27
ever happen in the minds of CrossFit.
20:30
I understand why, and I like your idea.
20:34
I'm just telling you,
20:35
without a significant
20:36
administrative change,
20:38
I don't see that happening.
20:41
Well, so...
20:43
who just posted, somebody just posted,
20:45
Andrew posted,
20:46
if you don't submit a video with your,
20:48
like he's saying,
20:49
just if you don't submit a video period,
20:52
you are removed from the leaderboard.
20:53
I have seen comments all over about that,
20:56
about people saying, I don't want,
20:59
I don't want to do that.
21:00
I don't want to submit a leaderboard.
21:01
I don't want to submit a video.
21:02
I don't want to deal with
21:03
the hassle of it.
21:04
I just want to pay, see where I fall and,
21:06
and,
21:08
The second you make videos a requirement,
21:11
for one,
21:12
they're going to be garbage
21:13
videos unless you're
21:14
actually reviewing them all.
21:15
They're going to be a clip
21:16
of somebody cooking dinner
21:19
for five minutes.
21:24
And you're going to lose
21:25
people that don't want that
21:27
hassle signing up.
21:29
So you've just lost money
21:30
because you've said this is
21:31
the requirement.
21:34
It makes it more professional,
21:35
but it makes it less inclusive.
21:37
That's the thing, right?
21:39
And it's finding that
21:39
balance in CrossFit between
21:42
the professional side of
21:43
the sport and the participation side.
21:45
Because like you said,
21:46
some people won't put their
21:47
videos and they're like, no,
21:49
I won't sign up now because
21:51
I don't want to get torn to pieces by X,
21:54
Y, and Z. But even in the open,
21:57
you had people that have
22:00
their videos and they never
22:01
get looked at anyways.
22:03
So I don't know if it fully fixes,
22:05
but at least at the top of
22:06
the leaderboard, it would.
22:08
And I think people would
22:09
move better knowing that
22:10
their video is public.
22:12
A hundred percent.
22:13
Whether or not I'm going to
22:16
be posting this,
22:17
people are going to see what I move like.
22:19
I better move well.
22:21
Yep.
22:22
So early in my gosh,
22:25
we have a lot ton of people on tonight,
22:27
which is awesome,
22:27
but the comments are coming in so fast.
22:30
Um, there was a comment earlier.
22:32
Do you think this is a one
22:33
year issue or do you think
22:36
this is going to continue
22:37
year after year?
22:38
Do you think this is the warning in my,
22:41
I'm going to put it in my words.
22:43
Do you think this was the warning shot?
22:45
We're going to put the
22:46
hammer down this year and
22:47
then everybody's videos are
22:49
going to be much better going forward.
22:52
I thought they had a good warning,
22:54
like the one year where
22:56
they had the pistols and like,
22:57
that was a warning too.
22:58
And then people went back to
23:00
moving like they normally
23:02
do when no one's watching.
23:04
Um, I don't know.
23:06
I just think people have to
23:07
be a little bit more careful of, you know,
23:11
watching their video over looking,
23:14
you know,
23:14
having someone else look it over.
23:16
Does this meet the standard
23:18
and do I have to redo it too?
23:20
And just taking a little bit
23:22
more personal
23:22
accountability for the
23:26
movement standards.
23:30
Hopefully it cleans it up, though.
23:32
I'm hoping.
23:32
But they definitely had
23:34
harsh penalties this year.
23:38
It's just nerve-wracking to even wait.
23:40
Even though you know you move well,
23:42
you're just waiting on the email.
23:44
Oh, for sure.
23:45
Yeah.
23:46
I feel like there's a...
23:49
line where it's almost like,
23:51
do I just move ridiculously fast,
23:54
ridiculously shitty and
23:57
take a 20% penalty?
23:59
And, and like, that's the thing.
24:01
Tia's score was so high that
24:02
she's only an eighth and it
24:03
doesn't even matter.
24:05
Um, so like at some point, so in like his,
24:08
Hiller brought this up,
24:09
like he was there and he
24:10
slowed bill down and did he
24:12
do him a disservice?
24:13
Cause he got a double hit.
24:14
I feel like that is a real
24:16
struggle in my mind.
24:19
I struggle with it with Jim.
24:20
Cause I am,
24:22
I know how everyone in that
24:24
bracket moves.
24:25
And again, until things are transparent,
24:30
you aren't going to get a
24:32
sweeping change.
24:38
So just to clarify,
24:40
Andrew Hiller told Bill
24:41
Leahy to slow down his reps
24:43
and redo them because he
24:45
was afraid he would take a hit.
24:48
Analyzing it after the fact,
24:50
he feels like if he would
24:51
have went faster taking the hit,
24:54
he would have been in a
24:55
better place today than he
24:58
was after Andrew told him to slow down.
25:02
Yep.
25:03
And so I ask you, you know,
25:04
Andrew said that workout itself is,
25:08
And I think this is bigger
25:09
than just make it a step over.
25:11
But he said when you're
25:13
taking a Ferrari and it has
25:15
a hard curve in it,
25:17
it's very hard to hit that
25:20
movement at the curve.
25:22
A lot of people are going to crash.
25:24
And when you're trying to move fast,
25:27
get up and down on that box,
25:29
that you take that curve in
25:30
a way that's a little bit dangerous.
25:33
And that's where the extension is.
25:35
I'm not a high-level athlete.
25:37
I don't understand Ferrari and NASCAR.
25:41
So I ask you,
25:43
is that a real perception for
25:46
you as an elite athlete?
25:51
Well, what's the saying?
25:54
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast?
25:58
I don't think the box
25:59
step-up is the same thing as an air squat,
26:02
for instance,
26:03
on how fast someone can move.
26:06
finish their like hip extension.
26:08
I still think the fact that
26:10
you have double the weights, yes,
26:11
it drags your shoulders a
26:12
little bit forward.
26:13
But again,
26:14
if you finish your hip extension,
26:16
I don't think it's as much
26:17
as the Ferrari as other
26:19
movements that we can see,
26:21
like the pistol that's very fast,
26:23
where are you putting your
26:24
foot down before you're finishing?
26:26
I think that there that it's
26:28
still a movement that
26:30
that can stay online,
26:32
like in an online competition.
26:34
Like when we think about a
26:34
movement that you don't
26:35
want to see online,
26:36
like an air squat would be
26:38
pretty fast for some people.
26:41
Right.
26:42
Yeah.
26:43
I think it's a very doable standard.
26:49
Yeah.
26:49
Yeah.
26:51
Like I was still able to get
26:52
24 reps and I'm not very
26:54
tall and I shot my hips forward.
27:00
And when you said that at
27:01
the beginning of the show,
27:02
it made me think that as an elite athlete,
27:06
and you have athleticism,
27:10
you know what you have to
27:11
adjust to go as fast as you
27:13
can and stay within the law.
27:19
A NASCAR driver knows that
27:21
this bend coming up,
27:22
how fast he can take it and
27:24
still remain in his line.
27:31
Yeah.
27:35
The thing,
27:35
the thing that's tough is the
27:38
slowing down of the videos, right?
27:40
When you're online,
27:40
it's like the video review
27:42
versus the live in person
27:44
that that's the difficult part.
27:45
The fact that you can slow it down,
27:47
zoom in, slow it down, zoom in.
27:50
At what point do we allow
27:52
just natural eye and like
27:56
judgment to be called?
27:58
Um,
28:00
I absolutely don't think
28:01
there should be slowdowns.
28:04
The thing that's difficult
28:05
is in-person competitions,
28:06
we can never use a video to
28:08
justify a rep.
28:09
And it's like, we can have it on video.
28:11
We can slow it down.
28:13
That's another issue, too.
28:14
I mean,
28:14
it would take forever for the
28:15
appeals for an online competition.
28:17
But yeah,
28:21
that's the thing that's hard
28:23
about online is the fact
28:24
that you can zoom in,
28:26
slow down to whatever speed.
28:29
Sarah,
28:29
Carolyn did not receive any penalties,
28:31
and all four workouts are validated.
28:35
Just to catch you up.
28:39
Get those videos posted, girl.
28:40
Let's see what a good rep is.
28:42
Show us the standard.
28:43
I will.
28:44
People need to know.
28:47
D. Reed asked if it was hips, knees,
28:50
head position.
28:53
Yeah, hips and knees is what I've heard.
28:54
I've heard the head position,
28:56
but I have yet to see an
28:59
actual athlete post an
29:02
email that said it was
29:03
purely your head position.
29:05
I think maybe it was commented on,
29:07
but I think even in the
29:08
people that the head position was noted,
29:10
it was soft knees was the
29:12
major reasoning behind it.
29:14
So I feel like the head and hip extension.
29:16
If you didn't finish your hips,
29:17
your shoulders are in front,
29:18
your head can still look down.
29:20
You finish your hips.
29:21
Yeah.
29:23
your shoulders automatically go back.
29:25
Look back at the Hiller
29:26
video on the deadlift,
29:27
just finishing your hips.
29:29
Like your chest goes up.
29:32
Like you can still look down
29:33
at your feet on the, on the box,
29:35
but your rep is finished,
29:38
but it's a soft knee.
29:39
It was the tap kind of like
29:41
the treating it like a
29:42
pistol where you finished
29:43
the one hip and the other
29:45
hip is the other foot was tapping.
29:47
And that was the difference.
29:48
People were treating it like
29:49
a pistol instead.
29:51
So let me ask you this.
29:52
Of all the videos that have made it public,
29:55
did you see one that was
29:56
the head only that was not extended?
29:58
Nope.
29:59
Nope.
30:00
Not a one.
30:01
Like I saw that.
30:03
Then I've looked at like Pat's.
30:04
I've looked at Madaris's.
30:06
I've looked at other people's.
30:08
None of them had the issue with the head.
30:11
It was a soft knee.
30:13
It was the non-working leg.
30:16
Those were the issues.
30:17
Or they were still bent over.
30:19
They did not stand upright.
30:21
Um, and they, in all honesty,
30:23
everyone that I've seen was
30:25
a blatant no rep.
30:29
Yep.
30:31
Yeah.
30:31
Or people post their one or
30:33
two good reps to their
30:34
stories or Instagram.
30:35
And it's like, okay,
30:37
if you're that confident
30:39
about your movements,
30:40
show me your full round.
30:41
Show me one full minute of your movements.
30:45
And we'll see if all of them
30:46
look like that.
30:46
Because that's the thing is
30:48
most of them don't have
30:49
their whole video looking bad.
30:51
It's just there's a
30:52
significant amount of reps.
30:53
I just want to know.
30:55
I would just like to see how
30:56
many significant and what is the penalty.
30:58
Like does the penalty make sense?
31:01
Was it the whole workout
31:02
that your hips were like that?
31:03
Because like Pat had some
31:04
good reps as well.
31:06
And then he had some bad reps.
31:08
So it's like, that's the thing.
31:09
If you posted it, we could,
31:11
maybe we'd be in your favor.
31:12
Maybe we'd be like, you know what?
31:13
I watched it in real time
31:14
and I counted 14 bad ones.
31:17
I would give you a 14 rep penalty,
31:18
not a 36 rep penalty.
31:23
Yeah.
31:23
When I was watching Pat,
31:24
it was the one leg that
31:26
seemed to be more no rep than the other.
31:30
So I think he had a stronger
31:31
leg and a weaker leg and it, you know,
31:34
like we all do probably.
31:36
Yeah.
31:39
Um, so there's all the,
31:41
there's so much going on in the comments.
31:44
Um, our, our,
31:46
my friend Dex is in the comments.
31:48
Um, he wants to go back in time.
31:49
I'm not necessarily, I don't,
31:51
I am not a big proponent of
31:53
going back in time.
31:54
I know.
31:55
I think we need to learn
31:56
from this and like move forward.
31:58
Lana says,
31:59
would floor plans with camera
32:00
location have helped?
32:02
I do think in a way they,
32:04
they do maybe need to re-release the,
32:06
like,
32:07
Purely for everyone having
32:10
basically the same angle, right?
32:11
And someone else not being like, oh,
32:13
that was a terrible angle.
32:14
That's why I got dinged.
32:15
I mean,
32:15
if it's pretty standard what we're
32:17
looking at,
32:19
then at least we're all on the
32:20
same page there.
32:23
Yeah,
32:23
like a lot of people had their step
32:25
ups towards the back, right?
32:27
And I had this dilemma of like,
32:29
where do I put my camera in this video?
32:30
Because I want the camera to
32:32
see the screen.
32:32
So like after every round,
32:34
I had the camera move to
32:35
the screen in my rest period.
32:37
But I was like,
32:38
I want the camera to see the screen,
32:39
but I also want them to see my step up.
32:40
So if I have the camera behind me,
32:43
I can't step up.
32:45
same way that I'm facing for
32:46
the row so I had to take an
32:48
extra little bit to turn
32:49
around for my first set of
32:50
step ups and I was like oh
32:52
this is gonna be slower
32:53
transitions but like then I
32:55
gave them exactly that side
32:57
angle that they probably
32:59
want to see the hip
33:00
extension for yeah just for
33:04
a laugh some of these
33:06
people never did zumba and it shows
33:14
Okay, so I like Jamie's solution.
33:19
I do believe that this is a – I'm hoping.
33:25
I'm very hopeful that this
33:26
is a one-year thing.
33:28
This is, hey, this is our warning shot.
33:30
You need to make your –
33:32
because I think that what
33:34
could have solved all of
33:34
this is CrossFit coming out and saying,
33:37
for quarterfinals,
33:38
we're not joking around.
33:41
The standard will be the standard.
33:43
We need to clean up our online game.
33:45
We are going to rule to the
33:48
letter of the law.
33:49
Make sure your videos are clean.
33:51
Good luck.
33:52
Let's go.
33:53
Yeah,
33:53
like with a smaller field for some of
33:55
these competitive regions,
33:57
we're going to be, you know,
33:59
putting the hammer down to
33:59
make sure that the 40
34:01
athletes moving on are
34:03
adhering to the standards.
34:05
That's it.
34:07
Are they though?
34:08
I mean,
34:09
I've seen a lot of other video
34:11
videos that are of other workouts.
34:13
They aren't even touching
34:14
that are clearly not
34:17
meeting the standards.
34:19
Yeah.
34:19
I don't think they looked at
34:20
three and four very much
34:22
because like both of those
34:24
were like accepted very fast,
34:26
like within 20 minutes or
34:28
30 minutes of each other.
34:30
like last night.
34:31
So I don't, I don't know.
34:34
Is other sports do that,
34:36
even though they have a rule book,
34:38
the NFL will come out and say,
34:40
we are going to make a
34:41
point of emphasis to look at this, this,
34:44
and this, this year.
34:46
And those things,
34:46
the penalties go up at the
34:48
beginning of the year until
34:49
it becomes a little more corrected.
34:51
And then as the year goes on,
34:52
it gets better.
34:53
Right.
34:55
I agree.
34:55
I agree with, with PC here that like,
34:59
You shouldn't have to do that.
35:00
But if you're going to be
35:01
completely different in your calls,
35:04
I think maybe just a warning of like, hey,
35:07
we're going to be putting
35:09
the hammer down.
35:10
And Wad Zombie says,
35:12
based on CrossFit's online
35:13
judging history,
35:14
they should have to state
35:15
it because this is the
35:17
first time they've ever
35:18
followed the standards 100%.
35:21
I think whatever they told
35:23
these online review team to watch for,
35:27
they should have released a
35:29
statement before we started quarters.
35:34
That's what you do.
35:35
You get the briefing at
35:36
semis and the games, right?
35:38
Those judges are told what
35:39
to watch and it's briefed
35:41
to the athletes.
35:43
Don't do this.
35:43
Like, hey, we're focused on this.
35:46
For one,
35:46
a statement maybe should have gone
35:48
out to the AFJ.
35:49
Maybe the AFJ needs to
35:50
partner better with
35:51
CrossFit to get that said to them.
35:54
And once they knew,
35:54
maybe they could have put out...
35:58
And again,
35:58
it probably goes back to control
36:00
and communication and transparency,
36:02
but maybe if we put our trust in the AFJ,
36:05
and the AFJ looked at the workouts,
36:09
then got a briefing from CrossFit,
36:12
and then put a public
36:14
statement out to all athletes...
36:16
Is that an unfair advantage, though,
36:17
for the people that have
36:18
access to those AFJ?
36:20
Sure.
36:21
I don't know that they
36:22
should be like certified
36:23
and those videos should
36:24
just be put through because
36:25
they had those judges.
36:26
I don't know if I agree with that.
36:26
That's a that's a haves and haves not.
36:31
And only the ones with the
36:32
money and are getting
36:34
through because they've, you know,
36:36
put themselves in a
36:37
position to get money.
36:39
But it still comes down to
36:41
you know you're not online
36:42
or you know you're not in person.
36:43
In person,
36:44
you know you'll get a no rep and
36:45
you can adjust it.
36:46
So when you're moving online
36:48
and you're submitting a video,
36:50
it goes back to review your
36:52
video and make sure, well, one,
36:55
it's playable.
36:57
And two, like your movements are good.
36:59
And if you don't feel comfortable,
37:00
if you keep slowing down a
37:02
certain rep or two and you
37:03
have an uneasy feeling about your video,
37:06
you should probably redo it.
37:08
And like, that's what I did.
37:10
I was like,
37:11
I don't like this one that much.
37:12
I feel, I feel bad submitting this.
37:15
We're going to redo it.
37:18
Lex says, simple.
37:19
Watch your videos before you submit.
37:22
Very true.
37:24
Have someone else look at
37:25
your video before you submit.
37:27
I know athletes would have that happen.
37:29
Yeah.
37:35
Um, so,
37:37
So that's that.
37:38
I don't think we're going to
37:39
solve anything today.
37:40
But we spent 40 minutes on that.
37:45
So let's talk a little bit
37:46
about Crash Crescendo.
37:49
It was a cool event where
37:50
some of the top teams in
37:52
the sport traveled to Spartansburg,
37:55
South Carolina, competed this weekend.
37:59
Mayhem Independence ended up winning that.
38:01
that competition.
38:03
And that is the team that
38:05
qualified for semis out of
38:06
mayhem with Angelo DiCicco.
38:11
Sure.
38:12
Sam, Zoe, and Molly.
38:14
Yep.
38:15
All of them.
38:15
Yeah.
38:17
Gridhouse came in second.
38:19
Let's see what happened.
38:19
Came in third.
38:20
CrossFit reignited fourth.
38:23
And Ocean State came in fifth.
38:29
Huge, huge shout out to my girl,
38:31
Christine Best,
38:33
who on the final flip sled
38:37
injured her knee.
38:38
I couldn't see if it was a
38:41
knee or an ankle.
38:42
It was a knee.
38:43
I talked to her this evening.
38:46
She twisted her knee on the one flip sled.
38:50
She doesn't know what she's
38:51
actually done yet,
38:53
but she is able to walk on
38:54
it at this point.
38:56
And she's hoping that when
38:57
the swelling goes down, it'll be okay.
39:00
But now it's just getting
39:01
home and then trying to
39:02
figure out what's up with it.
39:05
And then her teammate who
39:06
had to do all the remaining flip sleds.
39:08
I know.
39:09
I mean,
39:09
if you had to pick a teammate that
39:11
was strong to finish that sled –
39:14
I'm pretty sure.
39:15
Christine Middleton, is it?
39:18
Yeah,
39:19
Christine or Kristen Middleton is the
39:21
athlete that you want to
39:23
just flip the sled for the entire week.
39:25
Because if that's your weaker athlete,
39:28
then you're screwed.
39:30
But yeah,
39:32
she was impressive that she just
39:36
carried on.
39:36
She knew what happened and just like,
39:38
all right, I got this.
39:38
Don't worry.
39:40
I felt bad when she finished
39:41
and collapsed to the floor
39:43
and there was nobody from
39:44
her team available to like
39:46
congratulate her because
39:48
they're all worried about
39:49
Christine's knee.
39:51
But she was, she was, she,
39:55
she was well congratulated
39:57
by other teams when she finished.
40:00
But that was, that was just,
40:02
that was pretty impressive.
40:03
That was impressive thing to watch.
40:05
It was.
40:06
Brian did get teared up.
40:08
That was kind of sad to watch.
40:12
They had some good events.
40:15
JR puts on great comps,
40:18
always has unique elements.
40:19
I saw the rope on the dumbbells,
40:22
and I was like, that's cool.
40:24
He's just always thinking outside the box.
40:26
This is a great tune-up
40:27
competition for most of
40:30
these teams are competing in
40:32
what, just over a month now,
40:34
about a month for the East,
40:35
if they're on the East side.
40:39
Like if they were doing a
40:39
regular training weekend at this point,
40:41
like I don't think it's
40:43
like that much of like risk of an injury.
40:45
I think it's far enough away
40:46
from their competition and
40:47
it's great experience on a team to see.
40:50
know where you are and how
40:52
you work together on these
40:53
workouts um hands on odd
40:56
objects worms all those
40:59
kinds of things that you're
40:59
going to see at semifinals
41:01
jr always does a great job
41:03
and I don't know if you saw
41:04
carolyn but he announced
41:06
you as the first games
41:07
athlete signed up for um
41:10
crash individual
41:12
competition in the off
41:14
season yeah I'm excited
41:18
I, I, well,
41:19
I watched it last year and I
41:20
had FOMO and I was like, next year,
41:22
I was like,
41:22
I think this would be a good one in,
41:24
in my off season.
41:25
Cause I didn't do any of the
41:26
off season comps this year.
41:27
And I was like, looking at that one,
41:29
I was like, this is the type of comp that,
41:31
Oh, actually I did the NorCal classic.
41:32
I'm lying.
41:34
But I was like, this is the type of.
41:36
competition that I think
41:37
would be good experience on
41:39
some unique elements and
41:40
some high skill stuff that
41:41
he programs um so yeah he
41:44
reached out to me and I was
41:46
in pedro too or peter I
41:47
should say from coffee pods
41:49
and wands um made it happen
41:51
so I'm super excited yeah
41:55
patrick clark says you'd
41:56
you pretty much did rogue
41:57
too it's true in the
41:59
shadows of the warehouse yep
42:01
Oh, Jamie, Jamie did Crescendo or not.
42:04
Is that right?
42:05
Crucible.
42:06
Crucible.
42:07
I get a mixed up.
42:08
You did Crucible last year
42:09
and it was crazy.
42:11
Like you,
42:12
you had been on things that you
42:13
had never been on in your
42:14
CrossFit career.
42:17
Yeah.
42:17
He's got, he's got, I mean,
42:19
he's got a lot of equipment there.
42:20
So he's got a lot of
42:21
available items to use
42:23
things that I don't have.
42:26
Yeah.
42:26
Yeah.
42:26
That was Lex's text to me.
42:28
How much stuff does J.R.
42:30
have at his gym today?
42:32
She's like, he has everything.
42:33
And I was like, yep.
42:36
I feel like the money that
42:37
he makes on comps is just
42:38
poured right back into the gym.
42:41
It's not like pocketed.
42:43
I feel like what other comps would do.
42:45
I feel like he's really
42:46
giving back to making sure
42:48
his gym has everything needed.
42:51
What's nice too is he has
42:52
the two kinds of gym floors, the turf,
42:56
the regular floor,
42:56
and then depending on the event,
42:58
you flip it back and forth,
43:00
makes a completely different event.
43:04
So that's pretty cool.
43:06
So we wanted to finish up
43:08
with something fun because
43:10
it's been a stressful week
43:11
for a lot of people.
43:13
And that is, um,
43:16
It's draft week.
43:17
NFL just had a big draft.
43:19
We are going to draft our super teams.
43:22
And the way I presented it
43:23
to these two is if you're
43:25
starting a CrossFit super team,
43:27
who would you start your
43:28
franchise with in these
43:30
specialist categories?
43:33
One male, one female in each category.
43:38
So the categories are going
43:39
to be power output, gymnastics, endurance,
43:43
Olympic lifting, upper body pulling,
43:46
odd objects, and leadership.
43:51
Dex is looking for a shout out here.
43:55
Yeah, Dex the water boy.
43:56
So we're going to start with power output.
44:02
And I'll switch it up each time.
44:04
But this time we'll start with Jamie.
44:07
Male or female right now?
44:09
Uh, both we'll do both each time.
44:12
Okay.
44:13
So my power output,
44:14
I will take Dale and pepper.
44:18
And so this doesn't sound
44:20
like a great pick,
44:21
but I have a reason when
44:22
you see my whole team,
44:23
I'm going to pick Emma
44:23
Lawson for my power output.
44:27
Why Emma Lawson?
44:29
Well,
44:29
you gotta wait till I've given you
44:30
all my people.
44:31
Okay.
44:31
Okay.
44:31
Okay.
44:33
My power output is going to be Roman.
44:36
Although I was going back
44:37
and forth between Hopper as
44:38
well and Roman and Dallin.
44:40
And for the females,
44:41
I'm going to pick Olivia Kerstetter.
44:46
Okay.
44:46
I think she can move machines.
44:49
She can move some big weights.
44:51
My power output is Dallin
44:53
Pepper and Laura Horvat.
44:58
Laura's still young.
44:59
People forget.
45:02
Um, and start in two of the youngest,
45:05
most powerful athletes in the sport.
45:07
Start there.
45:10
Kenneth, the lab says Sam dancer,
45:12
Alex Kazan.
45:14
Are we talking about power output?
45:16
Like on machines?
45:18
I didn't take it fully that way, but yeah,
45:22
machines I'll take curse there.
45:27
And this is to start your franchise,
45:28
right?
45:29
Horvath.
45:31
I'm switching to Horvath.
45:33
I thought Tim Paulson,
45:35
but I wouldn't want to
45:36
start a franchise with him.
45:38
He's at the end of his career.
45:39
I'd want someone that I have for 10 years,
45:42
right?
45:42
So that's why I went that way.
45:47
Patrick Clark went Gabby and
45:48
Freyova on the women's side.
45:52
I almost went Gabby too.
45:54
I only used each name once on my team.
46:02
There.
46:03
Then we go to gymnastics.
46:07
Are we talking pressing
46:10
gymnastics or pulling gymnastics?
46:15
Nobody jumped in our note page.
46:17
Males, I'm going to pick Victor Hoffer.
46:19
That's a great one.
46:22
And woman,
46:23
I would in general pick Emma Lawson.
46:27
I want Gazan in terms of
46:28
pulling if I could.
46:30
And in terms of handstand gymnastics,
46:31
it would be Daniel Brandon.
46:32
But overall,
46:33
I'm going to pick Emma Lawson
46:35
and Victor Hoffer.
46:37
I pick the exact same.
46:39
Nerds.
46:42
I pick Pat Vellner and Alexis Raptus.
46:46
Nice picks.
46:46
Nice picks.
46:47
I like it.
46:48
Kenneth DeLapp picks Vellner and Lowen.
46:51
Also great picks.
46:52
Very good.
46:53
Dee Reed picks Taylor Self and Raptus.
46:56
Very good as well.
46:58
There is an upper body pulling category,
46:59
guys.
47:00
Is Carolyn allowed to draft herself?
47:03
Yes.
47:04
I don't think I'm a
47:04
specialist in any of these.
47:09
Wad Zombie picked Colton for
47:10
every category.
47:13
One man team.
47:16
All right.
47:16
So then we go to endurance.
47:19
And I'll go first.
47:22
I have Yonikoski and Emily Rolfe.
47:28
And both of them kind of
47:30
break my mold of I want
47:31
them around for a while,
47:32
but they're just both so damn good.
47:38
Am I next?
47:40
I pick Brent Fikowski and Emily Rolfe.
47:45
I'm going to pick Yellow Hosta.
47:47
And...
47:52
I was deciding between
47:53
Christy O'Connell or Holta.
48:00
I'll pick Christy.
48:02
Bringing them out of retirement?
48:04
Yeah.
48:04
I think Christy just ran an
48:05
ultra marathon.
48:06
That girl's freaking – I
48:09
mean Christy is probably
48:09
the same age as Rolf.
48:11
Rolf is 34.
48:13
Kenneth is going to go BKG
48:14
and bring back Sam Briggs.
48:16
So I have Sam Briggs.
48:18
Sam Briggs is who I originally wrote down.
48:19
You will notice at the end
48:21
of my list why Sam Briggs
48:22
is not on my list.
48:24
Patrick Clark said Adler and Sahir Kaya.
48:30
Wad Zombie just wants Emily
48:31
Rolfe as the face of the franchise.
48:35
Great picks.
48:36
All right.
48:36
So then we go to Olympic lifting.
48:38
Okay.
48:39
And we're back to Jamie.
48:40
Okay.
48:41
I have Jack Farlow and Amanda Barnhart.
48:48
I'll take Guy,
48:50
and I'll take Laura Horvath here.
48:57
So I had Laura here.
48:58
Actually, I picked Laura, right,
49:01
for output?
49:03
No, you picked Kerstetter.
49:04
Okay, I'll take Kerstetter.
49:06
Okay, I'll pick Horvath here.
49:07
Which is funny.
49:08
I had Laura here.
49:09
I crossed her off, put Kerstetter here.
49:12
Good pick.
49:13
And then I went Jack Farlow.
49:17
Patrick Clark goes Tola and Middleton.
49:21
Middleton, yeah.
49:22
Sarah Cooper, Jack, and Laura.
49:25
Hannah Black, Matt Fraser.
49:28
I also thought about Hannah Black on this.
49:31
For endurance, Dee Reed says Holberg,
49:35
Lucas Holberg, and Christy.
49:39
So I think, yeah.
49:42
Judy Reed says,
49:42
didn't Tia go to the
49:43
Olympics for lifting?
49:44
Yes.
49:45
Sorry.
49:47
She's due to retire soon.
49:51
Wad Zombie Frazier doesn't
49:52
even like CrossFit anymore.
49:57
So then we go to upper body pooling.
50:01
And that is Carolyn to start.
50:03
Kazan Vellner.
50:07
I'm winning this draft.
50:08
I'm sorry.
50:09
I'm winning.
50:09
No, no, no, no.
50:10
I'm winning this draft.
50:12
No, no, no, no.
50:13
Look at the quarterfinals
50:14
and work out three.
50:18
And I'm going Alex Kazan and
50:19
Saxon Panczyk.
50:22
Saxon's a good one.
50:24
You can't pick Kazan.
50:25
I picked Kazan.
50:26
What are you doing?
50:28
We're repeating all over the place.
50:31
Yeah.
50:33
I wrote my list this morning.
50:35
We can match.
50:36
We can have the same ones.
50:37
We can because we're doing it a weird way.
50:39
Okay.
50:42
But Saxon Pinchot, don't sleep on him.
50:44
Look at his time in workout
50:45
three compared to the world.
50:48
Agreed.
50:48
That is a good pick.
50:50
I pick Taylor Self and Alex Kazan.
50:52
Yeah, I think Alex is undisputed.
50:56
Well, Emma Tall crushed that alpaca.
51:02
Yep, she did.
51:04
We have Leahy and Kazan.
51:06
We have Cody Anderson and Kazan.
51:08
Hmm.
51:11
Someone just says this draft is wild.
51:17
Hey, we're just trying to have fun.
51:19
Yeah.
51:19
Someone threw in Kelsey Keel for Oli.
51:21
Very good.
51:22
Very good pick.
51:23
Yeah.
51:24
If she wouldn't have been
51:26
penalized this week,
51:26
I would have went with her.
51:28
Damn.
51:29
She's back in now.
51:30
Is she?
51:31
Yeah, she is.
51:35
Did she get an appeal or what?
51:36
She still has some reps off,
51:39
but I think she's around
51:40
the 20-something spot.
51:41
She came back in.
51:42
Okay.
51:43
Wow.
51:45
See,
51:46
so I would like to hear some of these
51:47
appeals, too,
51:47
and look at what people are getting back.
51:52
All right.
51:54
Kenneth says Jedediah Snelson.
51:58
Wonderful.
52:00
That's great.
52:01
The guy can pull, that's for sure.
52:02
Yes.
52:03
Yes.
52:04
Um, so then we go to odd out.
52:06
We're in the last two categories,
52:07
odd object.
52:10
And it's, is it me or?
52:11
I think it's you.
52:12
Yeah.
52:13
So I, I, okay, here we go.
52:16
Sydney McElishan and Nick Matthew.
52:22
Oh, am I next?
52:23
I have Nick Matthew and Danny Spiegel.
52:28
I'm going Brent.
52:29
Brent.
52:34
Females odd object.
52:40
Hmm.
52:40
I don't even know.
52:41
I can't believe we haven't
52:42
named Tia at all.
52:45
She's just good overall at everything.
52:48
If I'm starting a franchise,
52:49
she's at the end of her career.
52:50
I didn't look at it that way.
52:54
That's how I looked at it.
52:56
Yeah, that's fair.
52:57
It's my team.
52:58
Yeah.
53:03
I feel like you need a, I'll pick,
53:05
I'll pick Spiegel here.
53:07
You need someone that's athletic.
53:08
Spiegel's athletic.
53:11
Okay.
53:12
You looked at me funny with Sydney.
53:15
I just,
53:15
I'm trying to think of an odd
53:16
object workout that she
53:17
actually went back to the
53:18
games leaderboards and
53:20
looked at odd objects.
53:21
She does very, very well.
53:23
She's an amazing puller.
53:25
I contemplated her for pulling,
53:27
but I'm trying to think of
53:28
an odd object workout.
53:29
What, which one are you thinking of?
53:30
So different sandbag
53:32
workouts at the games.
53:34
She's done well in all of those.
53:36
Interesting.
53:39
That's just not the name I
53:40
would have thought of.
53:41
I actually did do some research.
53:44
I pulled up games
53:46
leaderboards and looked at
53:47
who did well and what different things.
53:49
Yeah, I did too.
53:52
So we finish up with maybe
53:54
the most interesting one,
53:55
the person you're going to
53:56
bring on just for
53:57
leadership to lead this team to victory.
54:01
Jamie, go.
54:03
Rich Froning and I'm picking
54:07
Carolyn Lambre.
54:11
She's not even an athlete.
54:13
Oh, so I was going to ask you that.
54:15
Does it need to be somebody
54:16
who's going to compete or
54:16
is it purely my leadership?
54:19
Well,
54:19
I think it's someone that you're
54:20
going to put it.
54:21
It's a player coach.
54:24
Then I pick Carolyn.
54:28
Okay.
54:32
I'm between two for females.
54:34
I'm between Sam Briggs and Carrie Pierce.
54:38
I'm going to pick... I'm
54:42
going to pick Sam Briggs.
54:44
And then for the men, I mean...
54:50
got any people that I
54:51
haven't picked right so I
54:51
can't pick pat or um or
54:54
brent what do I have left
54:59
hmm let me pass right now
55:05
let me think about it go
55:06
scott go to I had carolyn
55:07
on my list but I went with ariel owen
55:12
She was my other one.
55:14
If I was really picking athlete, athlete.
55:16
Because a lot of the
55:18
athletes I've talked to
55:19
over the years say how she
55:20
treats them like their mom at the games.
55:24
I will go with Noah from the chat.
55:25
I forgot about Noah.
55:26
That's who mine is.
55:29
I came back in before you, Scott.
55:31
Came back in.
55:34
Dang it.
55:35
I had Noah written down.
55:40
I have a rundown, too.
55:41
I crossed them out and put Rich.
55:46
Yeah, pick Dylan.
55:48
Ariel and Dylan are my leadership people.
55:50
There you go.
55:53
I think that'd be, well, I don't know.
55:58
I don't have Brent on my list,
55:59
so that'd be a good place for him, too.
56:01
I think Pat would be a great leader.
56:03
And I don't have Pat on my list yet,
56:07
either.
56:09
So I'll go with Vellner.
56:10
I think you've got to post
56:11
all three lists on your
56:13
social media and let the
56:14
fans also pick their.
56:15
All right.
56:18
If you send me your handwritten list,
56:20
like take a picture of it or something,
56:23
I'll post them all.
56:23
And then you guys can vote on which one,
56:28
which list was the best.
56:30
I just think it's crazy.
56:31
T is not on their list or Matt and we have,
56:34
and those are the two.
56:35
Yeah, Matt's not even competitive.
56:37
I don't have a single non
56:40
North American athlete.
56:41
They're all American or Canadian.
56:43
So that doesn't mean I listen,
56:46
I wanted people that I
56:47
wanted to compete with and
56:50
I felt like would be fun to work with.
56:52
And so it's all people I can
56:54
understand how they talk
56:56
and feel like good personalities.
56:58
So mine are just all in the North America.
57:02
So Patrick Clark says
57:03
Chandler would be a good one.
57:04
Went to a leadership school.
57:06
Yeah.
57:06
Maybe one of the best
57:07
leadership schools out there.
57:09
And he's a good dude.
57:11
And he had like Andrea Nistler as leader.
57:17
I don't know how she has as a leader,
57:19
but yeah, she's a heck of an athlete.
57:24
Do you retry?
57:25
I, whoops.
57:27
I tried to nominate Matt for leadership.
57:32
One T. One T. Yeah.
57:38
So that was fun.
57:40
And the chat pointed out
57:41
that I forgot sprint.
57:42
I forgot overall athlete.
57:45
So there's room to do some
57:47
more of this in the future.
57:50
We'll make up all new
57:51
categories and we can do it again.
57:53
I was going to do coach,
57:54
but I didn't want to put
57:55
you guys into a weird position.
58:01
As one of you has a coach
58:02
that they actually work with.
58:04
Yeah.
58:09
Tia for overall athlete.
58:15
We have a pretty good one
58:15
right here on the set.
58:20
That'd be interesting too.
58:22
There's a difference between
58:24
athlete and fitness though.
58:26
There's a huge difference
58:27
between being an athlete and being fit.
58:30
Like we talked about this
58:31
back when Rogue was going on.
58:33
The athletes showed
58:34
themselves in that over,
58:36
that bracketed sprint,
58:39
like Paige Semenza and
58:40
Danny Spiegel and Jason Hopper.
58:43
Like they have a different
58:45
athleticism than just straight fitness.
58:49
And it showed a lot at Rogue.
58:52
Easy, easy as a,
58:54
as long as he's on dry land,
58:56
he's an athlete.
58:57
That's what Corey called it.
59:02
That's what the teammates are for.
59:03
They put them in the water.
59:06
Yeah.
59:08
So this was fun.
59:09
We started off serious with
59:13
some penalties.
59:16
It is supposed to be finalized tomorrow.
59:20
Tomorrow.
59:22
Does it say what time?
59:24
Do we think they're going to
59:25
meet the deadline?
59:27
I don't know.
59:30
If they really, I mean,
59:31
they just asked for three
59:33
and four videos.
59:34
And I don't know if that was
59:34
just to like verify the
59:37
videos are in there or
59:38
they're going to actually
59:39
review them and they might
59:40
want another couple of days.
59:42
Who knows?
59:43
Yeah.
59:43
I don't think they really
59:44
looked much at three and four.
59:44
It was just probably looking
59:45
at the measurements.
59:46
They glanced a few work,
59:47
a few movements and like, okay,
59:49
that's good enough.
59:49
Nothing stuck out.
59:50
Like, but there's still, I mean,
59:53
I haven't heard from like
59:54
all of the appeals and stuff like that.
59:56
Like I'd like to see at the end,
59:58
obviously the next few days.
1:00:01
All of the penalties and
1:00:04
still like Freya too with
1:00:06
her video too waiting to
1:00:07
see what happens with that one as well.
1:00:09
I saw Caitlin got hers in.
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So she's back in.
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Caitlin Van Zyl and Freya,
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their scores were missing
1:00:19
from workout two.
1:00:21
Caitlin's is now back,
1:00:22
and she's back in semifinals.
1:00:27
But a little behind the curtains,
1:00:29
I started scheduling our
1:00:30
semifinal interviews,
1:00:32
which was a very bad move
1:00:33
before these penalties
1:00:35
because two of the three
1:00:37
people I scheduled, I had to cancel.
1:00:41
Were you just like, you didn't make it?
1:00:43
Yeah, we're canceling this.
1:00:45
So before the appeal came back,
1:00:48
this was my honest feeling as well.
1:00:50
I don't want you coming on
1:00:51
the air with a pending appeal.
1:00:54
Like,
1:00:55
I don't want that to affect what's
1:00:56
going on with CrossFit.
1:00:58
So let's postpone, see where this goes,
1:01:01
and then we'll make a
1:01:02
decision from there.
1:01:05
So I have stopped scheduling
1:01:08
until this leaderboard becomes final.
1:01:11
I do have Gabby Spence
1:01:12
scheduled on Thursday.
1:01:16
She has not moved this
1:01:18
entire time and I'm praying
1:01:20
that that happens.
1:01:21
So at least have one on the
1:01:23
books going forward.
1:01:28
So did you read, I think PC just said,
1:01:33
did you see Rose Scott's Instagram post?
1:01:37
I, I didn't see their Instagram posts,
1:01:40
but I did see that she was,
1:01:42
her videos were removed or
1:01:43
she didn't have.
1:01:46
It says,
1:01:47
so the email they sent her says
1:01:52
you did not submit a working video.
1:01:54
You sent in a video from
1:01:55
2023 and then she goes on
1:01:58
to show it and it's says
1:02:00
it's clearly uploaded for 21.
1:02:02
Oh, it's crazy.
1:02:05
But then you can see that
1:02:06
like she uploaded videos in
1:02:07
the last like six hours that were.
1:02:09
Oh, did she?
1:02:11
So maybe she replaced it.
1:02:13
Maybe.
1:02:13
I don't know.
1:02:14
I don't want to spend.
1:02:14
Yeah.
1:02:15
But I'll stop talking.
1:02:19
I don't know.
1:02:19
I don't know enough.
1:02:21
We talked about this with
1:02:22
Tristan on Thursday.
1:02:24
Patrick Clark said,
1:02:25
when's the next CrossFit
1:02:26
press conference?
1:02:28
Remember when we had those?
1:02:30
We actually talked about that.
1:02:32
Because Tristan was like,
1:02:33
wouldn't it be nice if
1:02:34
there were press conferences?
1:02:35
I'm like, there used to be.
1:02:37
Up until Justin Berg was let go.
1:02:40
And think what you will about Justin Berg.
1:02:42
At least we had a press
1:02:43
conference to ask questions.
1:02:46
Even if they skirted the answer,
1:02:47
we got a chance to at least
1:02:49
address that with them.
1:02:51
Since he's left,
1:02:52
we have not had but
1:02:54
in-person semifinals and
1:02:56
games press conferences.
1:02:58
Has it been replaced with
1:03:00
Dave's weekend review?
1:03:02
That's what I was kind of wondering.
1:03:04
But that's not a press conference.
1:03:05
That is a global chat.
1:03:08
Yeah.
1:03:12
Andrew,
1:03:12
did they remove the male from the
1:03:13
female 40 to 44?
1:03:15
They did.
1:03:15
I think two days ago.
1:03:18
Just down 12 spots.
1:03:21
Was someone signed up for him?
1:03:23
Completely wiped.
1:03:24
If you type in his name,
1:03:26
every single score is a zero.
1:03:27
He's like completely wiped.
1:03:29
Okay.
1:03:29
Okay.
1:03:31
That person.
1:03:32
Yeah.
1:03:33
I got, I got it mixed up.
1:03:35
Oscars.
1:03:35
I don't know.
1:03:37
Aaron knew Aaron kept
1:03:38
watching for him on the leaderboard.
1:03:39
He was wondering if, yeah.
1:03:41
Like a dude signed up for the women's.
1:03:44
He had, he had a score last year.
1:03:45
He had a picture of himself.
1:03:47
He made it through the open.
1:03:48
He did all the quarterfinal workouts.
1:03:52
Yeah.
1:03:54
But yes, he's removed.
1:03:57
Well,
1:03:58
hopefully the Freya thing gets sorted
1:04:00
and the Roe Scott one gets sorted too.
1:04:04
With whatever's going on.
1:04:07
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1:04:07
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1:04:21
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1:05:02
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1:05:03
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1:05:06
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