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Episode 62: Jamie Chung, Actress · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: What's shake and Hardler's. You are listening to episode sixty
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Speaker 1: two of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to everyone from
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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs to top CEOs and athletes and in today's case,
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Speaker 1: celebrities about how they got through tough times in their
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Speaker 1: life hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness. My name
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Speaker 1: is Emily A Body, and on today's episode, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be talking to Jamie Chung that she's an all
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Speaker 1: around amazing person, an actress well known for her work
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Speaker 1: on projects like The Gifted, Gotham Big Hero six. The
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Speaker 1: list goes on. Jamie and I had the pleasure of
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Speaker 1: getting to hang out when I was in Dundon. I
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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about that on last week's episode,
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Speaker 1: out There with Eddie Bauer, hiking and biking and hanging
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Speaker 1: out in some hot springs and just really having an
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Speaker 1: all about Janie. Like I said, amazing, kind hearted person.
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Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to meet her husband as well,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Greenberg, when we were out there, and we all
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Speaker 1: just had a really great time kicking back and enjoying nature.
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Speaker 1: Jamie was born and raised in California. She studied economics
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Speaker 1: at the University of California in Riverside, and her big
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Speaker 1: break came in two thousand and four when she was
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Speaker 1: working in a sports bar. On today's episode, she talks
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Speaker 1: to me about how she ended up auditioning for the
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Speaker 1: Real World on a whim, and how she was able
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Speaker 1: to pivot after that stint on reality TV into a
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Speaker 1: well respected film career. We talk about the hurdle moments
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Speaker 1: that she's seen along the way, going into audition after audition,
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Speaker 1: constantly wondering am I good enough? Being often made to
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Speaker 1: feel sometimes like something was wrong with her just because
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Speaker 1: she wasn't exactly what they were looking for. We also
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Speaker 1: get really honest about self confidence and working on that
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Speaker 1: positive self talk, and I have a few laughs along
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Speaker 1: the way about what it was really like for her
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Speaker 1: to know that her parents were watching her every single
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Speaker 1: step back when she was on the real world. You know,
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Speaker 1: Hollywood can be a pretty intimidating place, but it's clear
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Speaker 1: to me after my time with Jamie that she's got
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Speaker 1: a really good head on her shoulders. She's super humble,
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Speaker 1: has an amazing attitude, and I think that you guys
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Speaker 1: are going to get a lot of really great takeaways
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Speaker 1: from our conversation today. As always, you know the drill
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Speaker 1: And with that, let's get to hurdling. Today. I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: down with Jamie Chung. She is an actress. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: many of you have heard of our Hey there, Hi,
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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here with you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, we're in beautiful Denton Springs, Colorado.
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Speaker 1: I know this is really serendipitous right now. We're out
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Speaker 1: here with Addy Bauer. We've done some crazy stuff like hike.
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Speaker 1: We've well, we've done a lot of hiking, flyfishing. We
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Speaker 1: went fly fishing, and then we're going to go shoot
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Speaker 1: bow and arrow. We're bow and arrow. Yes, modern day
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Speaker 1: like Indiana Jones.
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Speaker 2: It's like the adult summer camp.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm into it. Well, I'm so, like I said,
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Speaker 1: so happy to be sitting down with you today and
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Speaker 1: that we're finding the time to do this, Yes, despite
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Speaker 1: all the adult summer camp activities. And I think first
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Speaker 1: and foremost, I mean, you say, actress, how long you
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Speaker 1: been doing this right now?
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Speaker 2: Well, I graduated college in two thousand and five, so
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Speaker 2: I've been chasing the dream since then.
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Speaker 1: Chasing the dream. When you were growing up, did you
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Speaker 1: know that you wanted to be an actress.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always loved performing, you know, at summer camp,
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Speaker 2: we put on like little skits. In middle school, I
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Speaker 2: was in theater and then it kind of dropped off
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Speaker 2: because I was really focusing on studies. But it's something
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Speaker 2: that piqued my interest again once I graduated college.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's talk about how you got your start.
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Speaker 1: So I'm conventional start, it's unconventional, Yeah, it's you know,
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and two or two thousand and three,
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Speaker 1: I was a sophomore in college and I was working
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Speaker 1: part time at a bar as a cocktail waitress.
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Speaker 2: And I was working part time at a restaurant to
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Speaker 2: pay my tuition, which made it full time and the
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Speaker 2: real world came and they were doing a cattle call
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Speaker 2: for season fourteen. I believe, I believe it was season fourteen.
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Speaker 1: What does cattle call mean?
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Speaker 2: A cattle call is when they just put an announcement out.
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Speaker 2: They'll put it on the radio, they'll this is like
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Speaker 2: back in the day before. I mean, they'll put it
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Speaker 2: out on the web. They'll put up flyers and they'll
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Speaker 2: just get the word out that they're holding like a
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Speaker 2: general casting call for the show and the location, where
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Speaker 2: to meet, what to bring, and so it's a cattle
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Speaker 2: call because essentially like everyone and their mother comes.
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Speaker 1: Do they still do that for shows today like the
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Speaker 1: Bachelor Ride? Or is that all like well now it's
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Speaker 1: all exactly yeah, okay, And it's done with like video auditions.
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Speaker 1: I guess you would call them right, you would just
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Speaker 1: tape your audition instead of doing.
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Speaker 2: It in person. But I believe that once it, once
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Speaker 2: you get past a certain stage, then they will bring
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Speaker 2: you in for like a interview, like a face to
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Speaker 2: face interview.
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Speaker 1: Got it, okay?
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Speaker 2: So at my start is happening, I was working the
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Speaker 2: cattle call, serving drinks, not like alcoholic drinks, but just
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Speaker 2: serving drinks. And they asked me to audition, and I
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Speaker 2: did and I got one of the spots.
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Speaker 1: Were you like so overwhelmed? Did that experience like, did
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Speaker 1: you know that you wanted to audition?
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Speaker 2: No? I mean I've watched the show growing up. I'm
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Speaker 2: from San Francisco, and I remember I recall watching the
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Speaker 2: San Francisco season, the New York season, the LA season.
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Speaker 2: But I just really felt like it was a one
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Speaker 2: it's in a lifetime opportunity, especially at that age, because
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Speaker 2: you're so vulnerable, you're you know, you're just you're fresh
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Speaker 2: at your parents' house, like you're so eager to experience everything,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it's a time in your life where
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Speaker 2: you're really being molded into a young adult. And so,
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Speaker 2: you know, what I found most fascinating about it was
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Speaker 2: that it's it's seven people from completely different socioeconomic backgrounds, religions, towns, cities.
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Speaker 2: I just found that fascinating. And it's kind of a
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Speaker 2: recipe not for disaster, but it is a recipe for
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Speaker 2: either magic or conflict, you know. So they're not like
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Speaker 2: tossing in the oil, you know, to make the fire
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Speaker 2: burn brighter. They're just really putting in seven interesting people
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Speaker 2: with different backgrounds, and we need to see how things unfold,
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Speaker 2: like that's how that's how that show used to be.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it's interesting because I don't
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Speaker 1: think a lot of the time people find the kind
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Speaker 1: of success that you have found and the lane that
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Speaker 1: you have kind of meandered your way into and worked
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Speaker 1: hard to get into with that kind of start.
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Speaker 2: There is another actor that is that was on Grim
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Speaker 2: for the longest time, and I believe he was on
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Speaker 2: road Rules. Mike the Miz found his niche.
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Speaker 1: I've had Kenny Sanducci on the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Oh it's Kenny. I love Kenny. I've never met him before.
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Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine in New York.
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Speaker 2: He's he's a riot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a funny scene. He's a funny guy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so you get cast.
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Speaker 2: So I go off to San Diego. I do the
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Speaker 2: real world. I only take a quarter off, and most
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Speaker 2: of the UC schools are on a quarter system that
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Speaker 2: a semester system, so I only missed three months of school.
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Speaker 2: It was fascinating and I learned a lot about myself.
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Speaker 2: And then I went back to college. I graduated with
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Speaker 2: a Bachelor of Arts and economics and business, and then
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Speaker 2: I moved out to LA and I just kind of
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Speaker 2: you know, I I really paid my dues, and I
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Speaker 2: think paying your dues as an actor is being on
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Speaker 2: set as an extra. You know, That's I think that's
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Speaker 2: one of the best ways to learn about the business,
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Speaker 2: To learn about how a set is run, to learn
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Speaker 2: everyone's roles and truly understand what is required to make
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Speaker 2: this giant machine work well, oil machine, because everyone plays
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Speaker 2: a vital role in that also includes the extras.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you were doing this, you said
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, two thousand and five. Yes, So
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Speaker 1: when you were doing this in two thousand and five,
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Speaker 1: obviously social media not as big as it is now,
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Speaker 1: But how did that experience kind of change what would
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Speaker 1: be just your every day I mean, you said you
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Speaker 1: filmed and then you went just back to school. Were
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Speaker 1: you finding that people were recognizing you or was it
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Speaker 1: any different or Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I mean I believe one of the conversations was, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know, you're the infamous character. And I was like,
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Speaker 2: wait a second, Like what made me so infamous? Like
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Speaker 2: I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't rub you the
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Speaker 2: wrong way in college. It's just a lot of hate,
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Speaker 2: you know, But I went right back to my cocktail
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Speaker 2: waitressing job. I went right back to waitressing. I still
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Speaker 2: had to carry on with the work in order to
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Speaker 2: pay for college, So it didn't really change me much.
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Speaker 2: But I do think that it kind of made things
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Speaker 2: a bit more difficult when I made the transition after
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Speaker 2: college into into acting, because a lot of the casting
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Speaker 2: directors that I met, a lot of the people on
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Speaker 2: set that I met, did recognize me from the show,
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Speaker 2: and there's a negative stigma from being on the show,
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Speaker 2: and so I really had to prove myself. If anything,
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Speaker 2: it made me work twice as hard. But I appreciate
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Speaker 2: it because you know, every success was was earned, and
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Speaker 2: you know it was it was that more gratifying.
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Speaker 1: Before you went on the show, did you foresee yourself
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Speaker 1: having a career in acting, Like, was that definitely what
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Speaker 1: you wanted to do?
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Speaker 2: No, I think the undertones were always there. I always
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Speaker 2: wanted to give it a shot, you know, but I
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Speaker 2: was so focused on school. It wasn't like, Hey, this
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Speaker 2: is the real world I can segue into like an
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Speaker 2: acting career. Like, No, that's that's not how it works
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Speaker 2: at all. In fact, the advice you not to do that,
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Speaker 2: but it was just to me at the time. It
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Speaker 2: was a perfect opportunity to try something different. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I was originally supposed to study abroad in Italy at
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Speaker 2: that time and learn Italian, but I just you know,
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Speaker 2: picked left instead of going right. And yeah, you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it. It made the start of my
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Speaker 2: career a lot more difficult, but I wouldn't change it
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Speaker 2: for anything.
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Speaker 1: So you moved to la Yes, what was your first
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Speaker 1: place in La Like?
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Speaker 2: I moved in with an next boyfriend who had a
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Speaker 2: place in the hills of Silver Lake right by the reservoir,
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Speaker 2: which is right by a dog park, which was perfect
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Speaker 2: because I didn't have the time to own a dog,
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Speaker 2: so I would just walk my ex boyfriend's dog to
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Speaker 2: the park. That was short lived. And then I found
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Speaker 2: myself in Hollywood, like in a really sketchy part of town.
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Speaker 2: And then I moved into West Hollywood with two of
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Speaker 2: my girlfriends and I was there for like four years.
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Speaker 1: Was that just like a blast?
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Speaker 2: It was so much fun? I mean, oh yeah, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's a heart of way Hollywood. You're in walking distance
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Speaker 2: to everything, and you just get yourself in so much trouble.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's so funny. I mean we were chatting about
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Speaker 1: this earlier. It's like you think about the times in
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Speaker 1: your life when you were the most poor, and how
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Speaker 1: amazing they work.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was great. Yeah, these are the people
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Speaker 2: that I you know, my roommates at the time. We
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Speaker 2: were the same friends that I traveled to Paris in
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Speaker 2: London with and we're staying at hostels and it was
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Speaker 2: so cold, but I couldn't couldn't afford like a proper
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Speaker 2: coat or like warm shoes, and you know, you look
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Speaker 2: back and it's just all.
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Speaker 1: Character building, but all character building. Yeah, so character building.
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Speaker 1: So you're building your career, yes, and you're going on auditions?
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Speaker 1: Can we talk about that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? The process sucks. It's just mortifying. It's you know,
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Speaker 2: you're going into this room with people who were there
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Speaker 2: to judge you and to rank you and to critique you,
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Speaker 2: and you know all this, and yet you're still like,
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Speaker 2: I want you to I want you to like me
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Speaker 2: so much, you know, and sometimes the nerve get the
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Speaker 2: best of you and you fumble your lines or you're
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Speaker 2: totally blank or you know, you just it's it's humiliating
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Speaker 2: or you know, the opposite of that is like it's
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Speaker 2: the best audition of your life and you walk out
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Speaker 2: and you're like smashed it and you felt like you
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Speaker 2: did everything right, and sometimes it's just not good enough.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I can imagine. I can imagine at
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Speaker 1: first that it's really overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: It's overwhelming. You know, I was very green, And what
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Speaker 2: that means is you're new to the game and you
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Speaker 2: have no idea what you're doing, and it's kind of
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Speaker 2: embarrassing and endearing hopefully, and you know, you learn every audition,
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Speaker 2: you take something with you and you hopefully use that
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Speaker 2: to better yourself for the next one.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't just say that's the same with like everything
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Speaker 1: that we go through.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you're auditioning and you're trying all this stuff, and
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Speaker 1: what would you say that your first like quote unquote
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Speaker 1: big break or what felt like it? Because I feel
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Speaker 1: like when you look back at your history and your
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Speaker 1: life and you get so excited about these little things,
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Speaker 1: you look back on it and you're like, wow, like
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Speaker 1: that wasn't I don't know, could.
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Speaker 2: Be just like I excited for this role and it
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Speaker 2: was a reoccurring guest star role and it was for
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Speaker 2: days of our Lives. It was a pretty great character
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Speaker 2: arc and I was so excited to book it. But
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Speaker 2: the main characters they join a sorority and I'm one
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Speaker 2: of the sorority members, and my character is is sexually assaulted. Oh,
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Speaker 2: and she confronts her the person that assaulted her, and
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Speaker 2: it's pretty dark. But I was so proud of the
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Speaker 2: work that I did. I felt like it was something
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Speaker 2: that I could put on my reel and possibly show people.
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Speaker 2: But that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. Why not?
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Speaker 2: I don't know, that's really that was really up to
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Speaker 2: my teen I decided not to put it on. But
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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, like soap opera actors are
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Speaker 2: some of the hardest acting are some of the hardest
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Speaker 2: working people I know. You know, sometimes you're filming anywhere
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Speaker 2: from like two to three episodes a day, and you're
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Speaker 2: block shooting, which means that everything that shoots in this
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Speaker 2: direction you shoot. So you have to know all of
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Speaker 2: your lines, you have to hate your mark. It's it's
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Speaker 2: a it's a crash course in acting. And I'm so
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Speaker 2: appreciative of the role.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you get done with that and you're feeling
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Speaker 1: good about this acting thing, or like when they're like
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Speaker 1: you can't put this on your reel, You're like, man,
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Speaker 1: this sucks, or just I didn't.
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Speaker 2: Know it that at that point. I just didn't know,
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Speaker 2: like in terms of the quality of the shows. But
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Speaker 2: at this point it doesn't really matter, like it, you know,
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Speaker 2: you're so early on your career. You take the roles
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Speaker 2: as hooters girl or flirting girl, like these are the
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Speaker 2: roles that I've taken in the past, and sometimes they're
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Speaker 2: just one liners. Yeah, but you get to be on
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Speaker 2: a set, you get to meet people you you.
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Speaker 1: Know as your family. At this point, are they amp
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Speaker 1: for you? Are they unsure about what you're doing? I
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Speaker 1: never told them, really, I never admitted to them what
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Speaker 1: I was doing. It was only after they heard through their.
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Speaker 2: Friends that I was on the soap opera uh huh,
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Speaker 2: and then they asked me about it. But I think
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Speaker 2: I was just always afraid of failure, and I was
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Speaker 2: always afraid of admitting to myself as well as to
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Speaker 2: my family that this is something that I wanted to do.
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Speaker 2: I just didn't want to fail.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you not think that would have been applicable
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Speaker 1: in whichever land that you chose? To go in your career.
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Speaker 2: No, because I felt like this is such a bult.
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, if after coming off the real world,
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Speaker 2: you know, if I started to tell people like I
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Speaker 2: want to start acting now, it's like, of course you do.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It's that that's kind of
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Speaker 2: like the general response that I got. And so it
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Speaker 2: kind of made me into an introv when it came
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Speaker 2: to like all my aspirations and my dreams, you know,
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Speaker 2: I was just like embarrassed to share that with anyone.
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Speaker 1: How did your family respond to the real world kind
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Speaker 1: of dialing?
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Speaker 2: Oh my lord, yeah, how my dad was had no
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Speaker 2: idea what it was, asked around, came back and Forbatim
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Speaker 2: told me not to sleep with any American boys on
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Speaker 2: Live TV. I died. I mean he was, Yeah, he
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Speaker 2: was very specific about.
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Speaker 1: That, very specific, only American specific.
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Speaker 2: Well you know it's you know, just like a lot
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Speaker 2: of cute white boys on the show, like, please don't
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Speaker 2: do that.
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Speaker 1: Please don't do that. We didn't. We haven't really talked
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Speaker 1: about it still to this day.
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Speaker 2: We haven't really discussed that at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah you okay, So you finished the stint on Days
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Speaker 1: of Our Lives and then what comes next.
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Speaker 2: I have all of these smaller roles, you know, these
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Speaker 2: one liners on Veronica mars on Er, and then eventually
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Speaker 2: these roles start to get a little bigger, you know,
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Speaker 2: and then it goes to feature films, and it's just
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Speaker 2: all luck. It's like being at the right place at
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Speaker 2: the right time with hard work, and it's just all
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Speaker 2: kind of lined up for me. But you know, early
17:43
Speaker 2: success and questionable roles that I've taken, I feel like
17:47
Speaker 2: it hasn't really been to my advantage, you know, like
17:49
Speaker 2: people who are more selective with their roles and have
17:52
Speaker 2: the luxury of being able to do that.
17:57
Speaker 1: I was.
17:58
Speaker 2: I was a starving artist. I took all the roles.
18:00
Speaker 2: I took any roles that I booked. I was so
18:02
Speaker 2: proud to book anything and get paid for it. And
18:04
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I'll fucking do it. Yeah, Hooter girl, Yes,
18:08
Speaker 2: I'll do that. I would love to be a Hooters girl,
18:10
Speaker 2: you know.
18:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
18:11
Speaker 2: And now now that I've I have some roles under
18:15
Speaker 2: my belt, I don't necessarily feel like I need to
18:19
Speaker 2: jump on a role as quickly as I did in
18:22
Speaker 2: the past.
18:22
Speaker 1: Right, But still, even as the roles got bigger, it's
18:25
Speaker 1: not necessarily like the audition process always gets easier.
18:28
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. It does get a little smoother, you know,
18:31
Speaker 2: you do gain confidence, and it's a tricky thing. You know.
18:36
Speaker 2: It's like sometimes you are your worst enemy. You are
18:40
Speaker 2: your biggest hurtle, you know, because you're you're told in
18:44
Speaker 2: these rooms. Sometimes the feedback is so it's horrible, like
18:50
Speaker 2: it's it's all in your looks, like you're not Asian enough,
18:53
Speaker 2: you you're not white. We need someone we need we
18:56
Speaker 2: need someone blonde, we need someone more character looking, not
19:00
Speaker 2: pretty enough, you're too old for this role. That was
19:04
Speaker 2: a horrible audition, like you're very green, you know, like
19:08
Speaker 2: it's just it's brutal, and generally it's just like you're
19:13
Speaker 2: not good enough or you're just not it.
19:16
Speaker 1: I feel like, no matter how they say it, that's
19:18
Speaker 1: kind of how it how you hear it.
19:19
Speaker 2: That absolutely, It's just what you don't realize is you
19:22
Speaker 2: have fifty rejections before you have someone saying like this
19:27
Speaker 2: is you're you're it, like this is this is this
19:29
Speaker 2: is the person that I was thinking of, and you're
19:31
Speaker 2: perfect for this role. You know, it doesn't it doesn't
19:35
Speaker 2: come very often, and when it does, it it feels great.
19:39
Speaker 2: This job really requires you to like continue to work
19:44
Speaker 2: hard and in order to persevere it. It's just it's
19:47
Speaker 2: not easy. It's sometimes it's not fun.
19:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. Yeah. And when someone says stuff like
19:53
Speaker 1: that to you, like you're not this enough, how does
19:56
Speaker 1: that make you feel?
19:57
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean it sits with you. And I feel
20:00
Speaker 2: like what I've learned from the past is like not
20:05
Speaker 2: to get in my own way, because the way I
20:08
Speaker 2: would I would read a breakdown of a character. I
20:10
Speaker 2: would read the script and immediately I would say, no,
20:13
Speaker 2: I'm not creeen enough, like I'm not no, I can't
20:15
Speaker 2: do this role, like I'm not this person, Like I
20:18
Speaker 2: don't know if I.
20:18
Speaker 1: Can do it.
20:19
Speaker 2: But you can't judge yourself. The way you have to
20:21
Speaker 2: think about a role is like, this is my version
20:24
Speaker 2: of this role, and this is my interpretation of this role,
20:27
Speaker 2: and this is the best that I can do. And
20:29
Speaker 2: if it's it, that's great, and if it's not, then
20:32
Speaker 2: you move on. But you know, before I would really
20:36
Speaker 2: take these criticisms and rejections to heart, and I would
20:41
Speaker 2: like turn down auditions because I was afraid of being
20:45
Speaker 2: rejected of what I've been told in.
20:47
Speaker 1: The past, like you know, yeah, totally. I mean there's
20:50
Speaker 1: two things to say to that. One. It's like a
20:52
Speaker 1: little bit of imposter syndrome. Okay, okay, so I don't
20:55
Speaker 1: know what that is. Okay, so imposter syndrome. I'll give
20:57
Speaker 1: you an example. I was the fitness editor, I certified
21:01
Speaker 1: personal trainer, have had clients in the past, and I
21:05
Speaker 1: got booked to do a Good Morning America segment where
21:08
Speaker 1: I would be on in Times Square and like leading
21:11
Speaker 1: this workout with like all of these people and obviously
21:14
Speaker 1: all of America watching. And I was having breakfast with
21:17
Speaker 1: a friend of mine and another trainer, and I said,
21:19
Speaker 1: I just feel so uncomfortable about this, Like why me?
21:23
Speaker 1: And he was like, you need to shove your imposter
21:25
Speaker 1: syndrome to the side, which is pretty much like you're
21:27
Speaker 1: worried that even though you are so qualified and you
21:29
Speaker 1: are so the right person for this opportunity at this moment,
21:35
Speaker 1: if you don't believe that you've got it, then hell no,
21:37
Speaker 1: nobody else is gonna believe that you've got it. So like,
21:39
Speaker 1: if you're going into these rooms and you're like, this
21:42
Speaker 1: isn't for me, I'm not strong enough for this role.
21:44
Speaker 1: Well when you think that, well, no, you're not strong
21:47
Speaker 1: enough for this role. So the second that you like
21:49
Speaker 1: take your fate into your own hands and you believe
21:52
Speaker 1: in yourself that you have the charisma, the ability, the
21:55
Speaker 1: mental toughness, whatever the case may be, to get what
21:57
Speaker 1: you want, that's when you get what you want. In
22:01
Speaker 1: these instances when you're like, I'm not even going to
22:03
Speaker 1: go to audition.
22:05
Speaker 2: God, yeah, just so many great opportunities that just passed
22:09
Speaker 2: you by because of your insecurities.
22:13
Speaker 1: When was there a time that you may have felt
22:17
Speaker 1: that way and were able to get out of your
22:20
Speaker 1: own way?
22:20
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I mean this. There's one audition a couple
22:23
Speaker 2: of years ago. It was a very sexual role, but
22:27
Speaker 2: the character falls in love and it's all about passions.
22:30
Speaker 2: It was absolutely necessary for this character to be overtly
22:35
Speaker 2: sexual in some of the scenes. And I'm just so
22:39
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with my sexuality, you know. It's like something that
22:42
Speaker 2: I've always had weird, you know, insecure thoughts about you're
22:47
Speaker 2: not alone. Yeah, I'm just so weird about intimacy and
22:52
Speaker 2: things like that. And so to put yourself on tape
22:56
Speaker 2: doing a scene where you're simulating sex and love and
23:02
Speaker 2: vulnerability it's like, it's my nightmare. I mean, it's the
23:08
Speaker 2: last thing I would ever want my team to see,
23:11
Speaker 2: my manager, to see the casting director to see, you know.
23:16
Speaker 2: And I'm so it was nerve wracking. It was really
23:19
Speaker 2: nerve wracking. Luckily, my husband was there to help me
23:22
Speaker 2: tape for it, and I overcame my fear of showing
23:29
Speaker 2: this side of myself and it turned out to be
23:31
Speaker 2: a great tape. And what I found even more strange
23:34
Speaker 2: was when I was at a party in my like
23:36
Speaker 2: a different agent from my same agency saw the tape
23:39
Speaker 2: and was like, that was a great audition. I'm like,
23:42
Speaker 2: why would you see that tape? Oh, that's embarrassing, but
23:45
Speaker 2: thank you. And now I'm doing a role which requires
23:49
Speaker 2: some you know, some simulated sex scenes and and some
23:53
Speaker 2: love scenes, and I'm I'm okay with that.
23:57
Speaker 1: So this is a different role than what you had
23:59
Speaker 1: from before. So did you get the one from the tape?
24:01
Speaker 2: I did not get the one from the tape, but
24:03
Speaker 2: I was so proud of it. And I remember watching
24:07
Speaker 2: the show because it came out just recently, and you know,
24:10
Speaker 2: the care they kept all they kept it all in
24:13
Speaker 2: it's it's absolutely necessary in order to tell that story.
24:17
Speaker 2: It wasn't just like a sex scene just to have
24:19
Speaker 2: a sex scene. It was absolutely necessary for the story.
24:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah.
24:24
Speaker 2: It's a different flavor. You know, they went with a
24:25
Speaker 2: great actress. But yeah, I'm pretty proud of myself. I
24:29
Speaker 2: did a really great tape and it's helped me overcome
24:31
Speaker 2: this fear of showing intimacy.
24:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it's probably bigger than just
24:36
Speaker 1: this year of showing intimacy.
24:38
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's there's It definitely goes deeper than that.
24:40
Speaker 1: I mean because now in this one instance where you
24:43
Speaker 1: were like, all right, like if I'm really willing to
24:45
Speaker 1: work for it, Like one of my favorite quotes is
24:47
Speaker 1: that all it takes is all you've got, And if
24:49
Speaker 1: you're really willing to give it all you've got, then
24:51
Speaker 1: you walk away whether or not you got the role
24:53
Speaker 1: or the job or the thing, or you finish the race.
24:55
Speaker 1: And how fast you wanted to finish the race, Like,
24:57
Speaker 1: as long as you gave it all you had, that's.
24:59
Speaker 2: All you can do. That's absolutely how you have to
25:03
Speaker 2: look at every audition or every meeting. You know, Yeah,
25:08
Speaker 2: you do the work, you overthink him, and then you
25:12
Speaker 2: let it go and then you just it's you know,
25:14
Speaker 2: sometimes magic happens and that you just leave it at
25:16
Speaker 2: the door.
25:17
Speaker 1: Like that's it. That's it. Yeah, Okay, you mentioned your husband.
25:20
Speaker 1: How did you meet your husband? Who's your husband?
25:22
Speaker 2: My husband is Brian Greenberg, and he's an amazing actor
25:26
Speaker 2: but also the best husband, and we met through mutual
25:32
Speaker 2: writers and producers. He was on a show that was
25:35
Speaker 2: on ABC. I was on a show on ABC Family
25:38
Speaker 2: at the same time, and we had the same Showrinner
25:41
Speaker 2: and producers. So that's how we knew of each other
25:44
Speaker 2: and how we met.
25:45
Speaker 1: Is it weird dating when people know who you are? Like,
25:48
Speaker 1: I mean when you go out places. These are like
25:51
Speaker 1: the most random things that I wonder. Okay, like when
25:53
Speaker 1: you're like in public with your husband, do you find
25:55
Speaker 1: it annoying? Do you still want to go out in public?
25:57
Speaker 1: Do people bother you?
25:58
Speaker 2: No? It doesn't happen enough, And it does happen, and
26:00
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, thank you so much for
26:01
Speaker 2: watching the show, Like that means so much to me, Like,
26:04
Speaker 2: thank you for watching our silly little indie, Like we
26:07
Speaker 2: so appreciate that. Thank you because these days there's so
26:10
Speaker 2: much content out there.
26:11
Speaker 1: You guys like to go out. You'd like people to
26:13
Speaker 1: approach you in public. Everyone that's listening, next time you
26:16
Speaker 1: see Jamie in public, please.
26:17
Speaker 2: Don't like, Oh, we're like waiting for it to happen.
26:20
Speaker 2: We're just pleasantly surprised when it does. Let me just
26:22
Speaker 2: clarify I appreciate that.
26:23
Speaker 1: Okay, So I do have a follow up question, kind
26:25
Speaker 1: of rewinding it back to talking about these times when
26:28
Speaker 1: people say no, when that happens, how do you kind
26:31
Speaker 1: of get out of that place that is like this
26:35
Speaker 1: inevitable like oh suck, Like yeah, like what do you do? Like,
26:39
Speaker 1: how do you get back to yourself?
26:40
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I mean it's self sabotage and funk. You know,
26:44
Speaker 2: there's certain roles that we've lost that I've lost personally,
26:48
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I you think of the future.
26:52
Speaker 2: You're like, if I had that rule, it would change
26:55
Speaker 2: my career completely, And you know it would. I would.
26:59
Speaker 2: I would be you know, it'd be able to take
27:02
Speaker 2: on all the roles that I wanted. You know, if
27:04
Speaker 2: only I got that one role. And you are allowed
27:07
Speaker 2: to be depressed for one day and to sulk and
27:10
Speaker 2: boohoo and feel sorry for yourself, but the next day,
27:14
Speaker 2: you got to move on, Like that's it. You know,
27:17
Speaker 2: you can't sulk in something that you can't change. You
27:22
Speaker 2: have to count your blessings, you have to remember all
27:27
Speaker 2: of your wins, and you have to be grateful and
27:31
Speaker 2: you know, again, you just take whatever you learn from
27:33
Speaker 2: that and hopefully use it for something else in the future.
27:36
Speaker 2: Like you know, with every character, you learn something new
27:39
Speaker 2: about yourself, whether it's a new you know, it's just
27:43
Speaker 2: like a new essence or something, and hopefully you can
27:47
Speaker 2: use that for a different role in the future, if
27:50
Speaker 2: you can use it towards the role that you wanted.
27:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I hear you. Okay, So when you get
27:56
Speaker 1: out of your own way, yes, or when you're in
27:58
Speaker 1: the process of getting out of your own way, like
27:59
Speaker 1: for me, when I am dealing with like someone offers
28:03
Speaker 1: me an assignment and then they're like JK. Or I'm
28:07
Speaker 1: like dating someone and it goes awful, which it always does.
28:10
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I'm gonna get over this and I'm
28:13
Speaker 1: gonna go open on my seekers and go for a run,
28:15
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go get a drink with my best
28:18
Speaker 1: friend or something like that. Like what do you lean
28:20
Speaker 1: into when it all goes to god knows what.
28:24
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying it's because we're on an
28:26
Speaker 2: Eddie Bauer trip, but I really get out in nature. Yeah,
28:29
Speaker 2: I go for a hike, I hang out with my dog,
28:30
Speaker 2: I hang out with my husband, I unplug, you know. Yeah,
28:35
Speaker 2: it's it's nice to have that as a reset button
28:38
Speaker 2: to really ground yourself.
28:39
Speaker 1: And you guys live near you. Guys live near you live.
28:41
Speaker 2: So many great hikes. Yeah, you have the Wishing Tree hike.
28:44
Speaker 2: We have with the park, we have the Hollywood Reservoir.
28:47
Speaker 2: We have so many great walks. I mean it's it's
28:51
Speaker 2: quite green and plush in our own neighborhood. So it's
28:56
Speaker 2: really just getting into your own body and like sweating
28:58
Speaker 2: it out and being out nature. I feel like that's
29:00
Speaker 2: the best way to kind of like let it go.
29:02
Speaker 1: And you guys travel and hike a lot too.
29:04
Speaker 2: We do. Yeah, we plan trips specifically around you know,
29:09
Speaker 2: a physical challenge, whether it's hiking the Inca trail or
29:12
Speaker 2: you know, my husband just.
29:14
Speaker 1: Just a casual sorry, like just a beat for the
29:17
Speaker 1: hike on the trail.
29:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even you know, if it's just if it's
29:20
Speaker 2: heading up to Lake Tahoe or in the mountains like
29:22
Speaker 2: we always we always, we always go and hike, and
29:25
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a great way to spend quality
29:27
Speaker 2: time with each other and our dog and your little family.
29:30
Speaker 1: And your little fam Obviously being out here in Colorado,
29:34
Speaker 1: it's like I get quiet here that I don't get
29:36
Speaker 1: back in New York. But when you're hiking, there's always
29:39
Speaker 1: something ahead that you don't know what you're going to expect,
29:42
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's obviously just such a you know,
29:45
Speaker 1: there's so many ties, there's so many parallels that you
29:48
Speaker 1: can draw us to life. It's like I don't know
29:49
Speaker 1: what's coming, but I'm still going.
29:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with this kind of career, with this,
29:55
Speaker 2: with any you know, with any job or career path
29:58
Speaker 2: that you that you choose to take. You don't know
30:01
Speaker 2: what the future holds or where this bend is going
30:04
Speaker 2: to take you. You just play cautious but stay open
30:07
Speaker 2: and hopefully be better.
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31:37
Speaker 1: How long ago was the last time that you were
31:38
Speaker 1: in like a funk like that?
31:40
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I won't say which rule, but it was.
31:44
Speaker 2: I thought the funk was only going to last a
31:46
Speaker 2: couple of days, but it lasted a few weeks. Yeah,
31:48
Speaker 2: it was so crushing, devastating. It would have came with
31:51
Speaker 2: like a three blockbuster movies, like back to back to back.
31:55
Speaker 2: It was one of those franchise movies, and I thought
32:00
Speaker 2: I had a really great grasp of the character, but
32:02
Speaker 2: there was just someone better, someone different.
32:04
Speaker 1: How long ago was that?
32:05
Speaker 2: Three years ago?
32:06
Speaker 1: Yeah?
32:07
Speaker 2: Yeah? After that, I got a Marvel show and it
32:11
Speaker 2: was some of the best people I've ever had the
32:14
Speaker 2: privilege of working with. And so I've met lifelong friends
32:17
Speaker 2: from that show. And now I'm onto the next and
32:21
Speaker 2: it's the next job is terrifying, only because it's going
32:26
Speaker 2: to challenge me in so many different ways, and I'm
32:29
Speaker 2: so ready for this challenge.
32:31
Speaker 1: Can I ask you what kind of ways?
32:34
Speaker 2: Learning? Speaking in a different language, speaking Korean, it's period piece, dancing, singing.
32:43
Speaker 1: Are you a dancer.
32:44
Speaker 2: No, I'm not the King show. I'm not graceful at all. Yeah,
32:50
Speaker 2: it's it's just kind of the role requires a lot
32:54
Speaker 2: and it's exciting.
32:55
Speaker 1: It's exciting.
32:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm grateful for losing the tuning of a
33:00
Speaker 2: lifetime to get one of the best shows I've ever
33:02
Speaker 2: worked on in order to get the role of a lifetime.
33:05
Speaker 1: So when you're not acting, what do you like to do?
33:07
Speaker 1: Aside from hiking?
33:09
Speaker 2: Now these days it's always like what can we create
33:12
Speaker 2: for ourselves as storytellers. It's not just acting, like you
33:16
Speaker 2: really have to put on your producer hat or you're
33:18
Speaker 2: you know, get into different creative grooves and so. No,
33:25
Speaker 2: it's just and how you get inspired is different for everyone.
33:29
Speaker 2: But for me, it's just engrossing myself and art.
33:32
Speaker 1: I know we touched earlier about how social media is
33:34
Speaker 1: like in such a different place before when you were
33:37
Speaker 1: in the real world. Obviously now with like one point
33:40
Speaker 1: two million followers, life is different. Yeah, how is that?
33:46
Speaker 2: You know, you use it as a tool, you use
33:48
Speaker 2: it to your advantage, you stay true to who you are.
33:52
Speaker 2: I don't let it control my life, and I feel
33:56
Speaker 2: like that's really easy to get sucked in to yeah,
34:01
Speaker 2: showing the best highlights, like showing how fabulous your life is,
34:05
Speaker 2: you know, like really playing things up and believing that's
34:09
Speaker 2: how it should always be, and just kind of losing
34:13
Speaker 2: yourself and things that don't really matter, like likes. Those
34:16
Speaker 2: likes shouldn't necessarily bring you joy, should never bring you joy.
34:20
Speaker 2: It's like, it's it's easy to get it twisted, and
34:23
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, some people, especially the younger generation,
34:28
Speaker 2: like has a hard time like distinguishing the difference, and
34:31
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I certainly don't want to be
34:34
Speaker 2: the root of that evil, but it's it's important to
34:37
Speaker 2: point out now and again, yeah, it's not it's not
34:41
Speaker 2: in real life. It's not you know, if you can't
34:43
Speaker 2: sustain that kind of like vacation life forever.
34:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously there's a lot of ways to use the
34:49
Speaker 1: platform that can be good. So what have you been doing? Like,
34:53
Speaker 1: what do you do on there that you feel like?
34:55
Speaker 1: Is like, how are you giving back using your platform?
34:59
Speaker 2: There's a lot of non profit organizations that I shout out.
35:02
Speaker 2: It's cool to give back. I think it's the messaging
35:05
Speaker 2: that I want to put on my platform. It's cool
35:08
Speaker 2: to get out in nature and to care about the environment.
35:12
Speaker 2: It's cool to care about what's happening in our politics.
35:15
Speaker 2: It is cool to be empathetic towards people and be
35:19
Speaker 2: kind and show kindness through action. Those things, to me
35:23
Speaker 2: are cool, and those things are what I highlight on
35:28
Speaker 2: my social platforms to hopefully encourage other people and our
35:34
Speaker 2: youth to do. I think that's very important.
35:36
Speaker 1: I love that it's cool to be kind.
35:40
Speaker 2: It's cool to be kind.
35:42
Speaker 1: I think that it's been something and I'm sure i'd
35:45
Speaker 1: love to know like a little bit about what you
35:46
Speaker 1: do for like this kind of self development strategies, Like
35:49
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm trying to implement them all of
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Speaker 1: the time, and like different exercises for me At the
35:54
Speaker 1: beginning of every month, I write down one way that
35:57
Speaker 1: I can feel like I'm giving back to the people
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Speaker 1: around me. So something that I've been focusing on this
36:01
Speaker 1: month has been randomly complimenting people that I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that, like that was something that
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Speaker 1: I committed to doing at the beginning of last year,
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Speaker 1: was like, all right, what's like at the beginning of
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Speaker 1: every month, like let's have a regroup. How are you
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Speaker 1: doing the things that you wanted to do for the
36:17
Speaker 1: whole year? Where are you? It's like it's Q two, Like, Okay,
36:20
Speaker 1: we just finished halfway through the year, Like if you
36:22
Speaker 1: wanted to save two thousand dollars ago to Italy? Like
36:24
Speaker 1: how's that one k doing? Like what's going on here?
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Speaker 2: So?
36:28
Speaker 1: I think I love that this idea of like it's
36:30
Speaker 1: cool to be kind to reflect on what I just
36:32
Speaker 1: said though, Like do you have anything that like you
36:34
Speaker 1: feel like you do for yourself to continually like reflect
36:37
Speaker 1: and you know kind of that self work. I love
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Speaker 1: that stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's someone introduced me recently to the artist way,
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Speaker 2: and it's just kind of purging. Every morning when you
36:50
Speaker 2: wake up, you write three pages of just anything. It
36:53
Speaker 2: can be a to do list, it can be your
36:55
Speaker 2: wildless and securities, it can be goals for the day,
36:58
Speaker 2: it can be anything. But it's just like you're just
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Speaker 2: spitting it out on paper. You're writing it down and
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Speaker 2: then hopefully that will allow yourself to be creative for
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Speaker 2: the rest of the day. I felt like that's a
37:10
Speaker 2: great way to get out all of your insecurities. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's like these are all the things like how I'm feeling.
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Speaker 2: I feel I feel bloated, I feel like shit about myself,
37:18
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, just like stupid things
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Speaker 2: like that, and then you're able to just like carry
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Speaker 2: on and be your best self.
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Speaker 1: Have you noticed the difference since you started doing that.
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Speaker 2: I just started a week ago, But I do feel
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Speaker 2: like I'm getting a lot more work done. Yeah, because
37:31
Speaker 2: it also acts as like a check off list, you know,
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Speaker 2: all the things that you needed to do today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I want to know, like, what, aside
37:41
Speaker 1: from this role where you're speaking Korean excellently, what else
37:46
Speaker 1: do you have to look forward to coming up?
37:47
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I have a movie for Netflix with the
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Speaker 2: very talented Camilla Mendez and that comes out on Netflix
37:55
Speaker 2: sometime next year. I did a great indie in the
38:00
Speaker 2: UAE earlier this year with an incredible cast with Pierce Brosnan,
38:06
Speaker 2: Hermione Corefield. Who knows when that's gonna come out, but
38:09
Speaker 2: it's coming together quite nicely. I'm still recording for Big
38:14
Speaker 2: Hero six, which is on Disney Channel and you can
38:16
Speaker 2: catch season two on any of the apps. And I
38:20
Speaker 2: just did this great recording for a DC project. So
38:25
Speaker 2: it's all it's fun, really fun doing voice over work.
38:28
Speaker 2: But that should be coming out soon.
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Speaker 1: Do you like the sound of your own voice?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think I sound really nasily and annoying.
38:35
Speaker 1: But I feel that way too.
38:36
Speaker 2: Sometimes it helps for some of the characters.
38:38
Speaker 1: The reason I first thought about starting to podcast was
38:41
Speaker 1: everyone said to me, your voice is so great, you
38:43
Speaker 1: should do voice over work, and I was like, thank you.
38:45
Speaker 1: But when I hear it, I'm like, oh God. But
38:48
Speaker 1: when everyone, when anyone ever comes to me asking me
38:50
Speaker 1: about starting a podcast or for podcast advice, I like,
38:53
Speaker 1: just get used to the sound of your voice, and
38:55
Speaker 1: you are the person who thinks it sounds the worst,
38:57
Speaker 1: the worst, exactly, period, no doubt about it. Okay, thinking
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Speaker 1: about your career so far, if you had to reflect
39:03
Speaker 1: on one of the best pieces of advice that you've received,
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Speaker 1: what would that be.
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Speaker 2: It would definitely be just try your best and move on, Like,
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Speaker 2: don't take the criticism to heart and don't let it
39:16
Speaker 2: crush you. But there's always there's something for everyone, and
39:20
Speaker 2: if this isn't it, there's going to be something else
39:22
Speaker 2: that's that's going to be a perfect fit. Yeah, don't
39:26
Speaker 2: harp on, you know, the rejections, and don't focus too
39:29
Speaker 2: much on that focus on like bettering yourself as an artist.
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Speaker 1: Aside from your husband, who do you lean into for
39:36
Speaker 1: inspiration and maybe who do you look up to in
39:39
Speaker 1: your industry?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I mean it's someone with a lot of
39:42
Speaker 2: confidence and great choices, and that would be Inn shell Lines.
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Speaker 2: It's true. I mean, you know, she's someone that I've
39:51
Speaker 2: really relied on recently for the last couple of projects,
39:55
Speaker 2: and she's really helped me with my confidence. So I
39:57
Speaker 2: think that's really important. A hurdler.
39:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's also coincidentally sitting in this room.
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Speaker 2: Yeah she is.
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Speaker 1: It's fine. I had to like let the hurd there's
40:04
Speaker 1: know on her little secret. Obviously. We talked about huge
40:08
Speaker 1: social following. Those people see ideally what you're talking about
40:13
Speaker 1: when they go to your page. They see someone who
40:15
Speaker 1: is kind and passionate and considerate and loves what she's doing.
40:19
Speaker 1: When you look in the mirror, what is it that
40:23
Speaker 1: you see.
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Speaker 2: Someone that can do better? You know? Yeah? Is that weird?
40:27
Speaker 2: I don't look at myself like ah, and like you
40:31
Speaker 2: could you do a couple more setups? I could try
40:33
Speaker 2: a little harder. I can spend a little bit more
40:35
Speaker 2: time with my family. I can. Yeah, it's always it's
40:41
Speaker 2: it's it's a couple positives, but mostly it's like, h,
40:44
Speaker 2: this is what I like to do differently, how do
40:46
Speaker 2: we shift that? I guess it would just go back to,
40:50
Speaker 2: you know, making the list of all the things that
40:52
Speaker 2: you should absolutely be happy for.
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Speaker 1: I think it's really special because in this climate of
41:00
Speaker 1: everyone seeing this inevitable highlight reel, people are under the
41:04
Speaker 1: impression that it's great and it's okay for it not
41:10
Speaker 1: to be great. But I also think it's really special
41:12
Speaker 1: that you can own up to the fact that, like
41:14
Speaker 1: it's not always like no, it's not.
41:17
Speaker 2: I think what's most important, like to remember who's always
41:21
Speaker 2: been there for you, That you still have your health,
41:24
Speaker 2: we still have the luxury to do the things that
41:25
Speaker 2: we want. We have freedom, We can take a holiday
41:29
Speaker 2: if we want to, we can go on a road trip.
41:30
Speaker 2: We can just like unplug or not work for a
41:34
Speaker 2: day or two, you know what I mean. Like, those
41:36
Speaker 2: are all luxuries, Those are all luxuries. We are blessed,
41:40
Speaker 2: you know, and those are there's things that you cannot forget,
41:43
Speaker 2: And I think a great way to kind of snap
41:46
Speaker 2: out of it is spend time giving back. Yeah, you know,
41:50
Speaker 2: stop feeling sorry for yourself, like start giving back.
41:53
Speaker 1: I have this book. I want to say it's like
41:56
Speaker 1: fifty two lists. It's I think it's fifty two lists,
41:59
Speaker 1: and I think there's a right of them. Like you
42:00
Speaker 1: can make lists for everything, but this particular one has
42:04
Speaker 1: you making lists generally about just random things in your life.
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Speaker 1: Write down twenty things that you like about yourself, or
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Speaker 1: write down twenty characteristics that you enjoy about yourself, or
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Speaker 1: the last ten times that like really made you smile.
42:18
Speaker 1: And when I feel like I am in just such
42:20
Speaker 1: a funk, I'll just pick up the book and open
42:22
Speaker 1: it to some random list and make a list. And
42:25
Speaker 1: so now I know in that book, I have a
42:26
Speaker 1: list of things that I like about myself. So on
42:29
Speaker 1: the days again when like some guy just makes me
42:32
Speaker 1: feel like I am not good or I lose that assignment,
42:36
Speaker 1: all right, let's open the book just for a second, like,
42:38
Speaker 1: let's remember how you feel. I heard this the other
42:41
Speaker 1: day on a podcast from Jay Sheddy. He says it's
42:43
Speaker 1: called self worth because you get to determine that it's
42:46
Speaker 1: not their worth, your friend's worth. You get to decide
42:50
Speaker 1: how you feel you are. Yeah, maybe think about that's
42:53
Speaker 1: SIGNOK in the mirror.
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Speaker 2: Another thing that usually really helps, you know, our random
42:58
Speaker 2: acts of kindness, not like just so focused on yourself.
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Speaker 2: You're focused on like, Ooh, I really want to do
43:04
Speaker 2: this because I really hope this person smiles, Like I
43:07
Speaker 2: want to guy, I want to buy the guy's coffee
43:08
Speaker 2: behind me in surprise, and you know, like, I hope
43:11
Speaker 2: he has a great day. So like you're taking the
43:14
Speaker 2: focus off yourself and to the people around you, and
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Speaker 2: I feel like that really helps to.
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Speaker 1: I dig get all right, the way that we close
43:20
Speaker 1: out hurdle every time. If you had the chance right
43:23
Speaker 1: now to give the Jamie who is auditioning for that
43:27
Speaker 1: role where she's just like, how the hell am I
43:30
Speaker 1: going to do this? I don't know what's going on.
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Speaker 1: She feels all the self doubt. You have the opportunity
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Speaker 1: right now to give her a piece of advice at
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Speaker 1: those hurdle moments early in her career. What is it
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Speaker 1: that you tell her.
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Speaker 2: You are unique, you are special, and your version of
43:47
Speaker 2: this character is going to get their attention. Just do
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Speaker 2: the best that you can, and most importantly, have fun
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Speaker 2: with it. Have fun. You've got nothing to lose.
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Speaker 1: I love it, Jamie thanks so much for Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 1: do they find you?
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Speaker 2: Give me the date, watch my show It's The Gifted,
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Speaker 2: or Daycare or six or you can find me at
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Speaker 2: Jamie J. Chung.
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Speaker 1: And that's it. Yeah, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys
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Speaker 1: next time.