Latest / The Smart Cookies podcast / Exploring the link between Nutrition and Mental Health with Clinical Psychologist dr. Julia Rucklidge
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- 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,696 [zaza]: yeah dr julia rucklich is a professor of clinical psychology in the school of psychology 2 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:41,720 [julia_rucklidge]: m 3 00:02:41,773 --> 00:02:48,164 [zaza]: speech and hearing at the university of cantembary and the director of tepunatoora the mental 4 00:02:48,284 --> 00:02:52,533 [zaza]: health and true and research lab i hope i didn't butcher that completely 5 00:02:52,671 --> 00:02:53,174 [julia_rucklidge]: beautiful 6 00:02:54,276 --> 00:02:54,637 [zaza]: thank you 7 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:54,912 [julia_rucklidge]: ye 8 00:02:55,238 --> 00:02:57,081 [zaza]: over the last twenty years professor rucklige 9 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,288 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 10 00:02:57,181 --> 00:02:59,004 [zaza]: has become well known for her research 11 00:02:58,950 --> 00:03:00,450 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 12 00:02:59,084 --> 00:03:03,632 [zaza]: investigating the interface between nutrition and mental health and has published 13 00:03:03,450 --> 00:03:03,792 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 14 00:03:03,772 --> 00:03:10,143 [zaza]: over a hundred empirical papers dr rucklich is also the recipient of numerous local and 15 00:03:10,243 --> 00:03:12,106 [zaza]: international awards and it's frequent 16 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:12,441 [julia_rucklidge]: ye 17 00:03:12,406 --> 00:03:18,797 [zaza]: frequently featured in the media discussing her work her teticstolk the surprise the dramatic role 18 00:03:18,897 --> 00:03:24,046 [zaza]: of nutrition and mental health has been viewed over four million times and she recently 19 00:03:24,166 --> 00:03:30,557 [zaza]: coauthrauthored a book the better brain overcome anxiety combat depression and reduced a d d 20 00:03:30,798 --> 00:03:37,032 [zaza]: and stress with nutrition which was released in twenty twenty one i believe dcrrucklege welcome 21 00:03:37,073 --> 00:03:37,714 [zaza]: to Eurotrash 22 00:03:38,231 --> 00:03:39,140 [julia_rucklidge]: thank you for having 23 00:03:39,201 --> 00:03:39,302 [julia_rucklidge]: me 24 00:03:41,356 --> 00:03:46,665 [zaza]: an absolute pleasure i'm a bit of a hypohondriac so this will definitely be a 25 00:03:46,765 --> 00:03:51,413 [zaza]: fun episode at least for me um and since i'm obviously expecting you to solve 26 00:03:51,513 --> 00:03:56,381 [zaza]: all of my problems in the next we better get to it so we often 27 00:03:56,462 --> 00:04:01,049 [zaza]: hear psychologists say that we are in the midst of a mental health crisis at 28 00:04:01,089 --> 00:04:01,811 [zaza]: least here in the west 29 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:02,330 [julia_rucklidge]: m 30 00:04:02,391 --> 00:04:04,635 [zaza]: what does that mean and how do you think we got here 31 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:05,480 [julia_rucklidge]: right 32 00:04:06,806 --> 00:04:06,947 [zaza]: yeh 33 00:04:07,063 --> 00:04:09,868 [julia_rucklidge]: i think what they're referring to is the number of people who are who are 34 00:04:09,948 --> 00:04:15,637 [julia_rucklidge]: self identifying or identifying as having mental health problems and so the numbers that are 35 00:04:15,918 --> 00:04:19,624 [julia_rucklidge]: kind of quoted around the old vary from one and five to one and four 36 00:04:19,804 --> 00:04:23,590 [julia_rucklidge]: is the latest since covid so it it means that 37 00:04:23,486 --> 00:04:23,668 [zaza]: ye 38 00:04:23,871 --> 00:04:26,936 [julia_rucklidge]: between twenty to twenty to twenty five per cent of the population 39 00:04:26,728 --> 00:04:27,236 [zaza]: ah 40 00:04:27,016 --> 00:04:30,121 [julia_rucklidge]: and any one given year is struggling with a mental health you and that doesn't 41 00:04:30,201 --> 00:04:33,868 [julia_rucklidge]: that could be depression and it could be anxiety it could be it so it's 42 00:04:33,928 --> 00:04:39,617 [julia_rucklidge]: quite broad and it's it's in what it captures and that in those numbers but 43 00:04:39,677 --> 00:04:45,367 [julia_rucklidge]: it's just sort of saying that overall many people are mentally unwell or mentally feel 44 00:04:45,407 --> 00:04:49,654 [julia_rucklidge]: like they could be in a better place and that they are plagued by symptoms 45 00:04:49,754 --> 00:04:56,926 [julia_rucklidge]: that could be you know it could be just really low energy low mood just 46 00:04:57,086 --> 00:05:02,075 [julia_rucklidge]: really struggling to get on with being able to do even the simplest of tasks 47 00:05:03,056 --> 00:05:09,868 [julia_rucklidge]: or feeling incredible anxiety debilitating anxiety that can make it really difficult to do things 48 00:05:09,888 --> 00:05:13,213 [julia_rucklidge]: that you need to do like it could be even so bad that some people 49 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:18,943 [julia_rucklidge]: can't get out of the house go to school work so when you start to 50 00:05:19,063 --> 00:05:23,891 [julia_rucklidge]: experience symptoms that prevent you from leading a 51 00:05:23,936 --> 00:05:24,866 [zaza]: oh 52 00:05:23,971 --> 00:05:27,978 [julia_rucklidge]: good life then i guess people start to go down the route of wondering whether 53 00:05:28,018 --> 00:05:32,888 [julia_rucklidge]: or not they have you know these identified mental health disorders 54 00:05:32,636 --> 00:05:39,869 [zaza]: ye um m you've mentioned that a lot of these symptoms or illnesses are self 55 00:05:39,949 --> 00:05:44,494 [zaza]: reported right how do we know that people are not just more comfortable sharing these 56 00:05:44,554 --> 00:05:45,214 [zaza]: days than they 57 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:45,420 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 58 00:05:45,274 --> 00:05:45,975 [zaza]: were in the past 59 00:05:46,362 --> 00:05:50,829 [julia_rucklidge]: i think i think that is an element to it is that there's the for 60 00:05:50,889 --> 00:05:56,639 [julia_rucklidge]: whatever reason historically there's a lot of stigma that surrounds having a mental health issue 61 00:05:56,739 --> 00:05:59,784 [julia_rucklidge]: that were very happy to be able to say to someone that you broke your 62 00:05:59,844 --> 00:06:01,547 [julia_rucklidge]: leg or you have an infection 63 00:06:02,216 --> 00:06:03,356 [zaza]: yeah 64 00:06:02,288 --> 00:06:08,819 [julia_rucklidge]: um but there's a lot more reticence around saying that you're you're at you you 65 00:06:08,859 --> 00:06:15,630 [julia_rucklidge]: know nothing physically supposedly wrong with you but that you can't negotiate the world like 66 00:06:15,711 --> 00:06:21,620 [julia_rucklidge]: other people or as easily as other people so that definitely has changed because of 67 00:06:21,661 --> 00:06:23,964 [julia_rucklidge]: a lot of i think a lot of campaigns i don't know what t's like 68 00:06:24,024 --> 00:06:26,308 [julia_rucklidge]: in germany where you are but certainly 69 00:06:26,315 --> 00:06:26,336 [zaza]: m 70 00:06:26,348 --> 00:06:29,253 [julia_rucklidge]: in new zealand there's been a lot of campaigns to try to get people 71 00:06:29,216 --> 00:06:29,845 [zaza]: ye 72 00:06:29,413 --> 00:06:34,161 [julia_rucklidge]: to to talk about it to not see it has been something be embarrassed about 73 00:06:34,722 --> 00:06:36,786 [julia_rucklidge]: so that they can seek help and 74 00:06:36,935 --> 00:06:36,956 [zaza]: m 75 00:06:37,066 --> 00:06:41,554 [julia_rucklidge]: you know as a psychologist i see those things as generally you think those were 76 00:06:41,634 --> 00:06:47,363 [julia_rucklidge]: good things but unfortunately because as i said there self identified there's no blood test 77 00:06:47,524 --> 00:06:51,931 [julia_rucklidge]: that you can do to get the diagnosis of depression or at h d it's 78 00:06:52,011 --> 00:06:57,060 [julia_rucklidge]: based on finding out information about that individual and how they function in their world 79 00:06:58,041 --> 00:07:03,049 [julia_rucklidge]: and so there are symptoms and check lists and things that psychologists or other mental 80 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:06,896 [julia_rucklidge]: health professionals will ask about but at the end of the day it is often 81 00:07:06,976 --> 00:07:08,438 [julia_rucklidge]: based on self report 82 00:07:08,276 --> 00:07:08,417 [zaza]: ye 83 00:07:08,499 --> 00:07:13,374 [julia_rucklidge]: or parent or if it's a child or teach a report but but we don't 84 00:07:13,414 --> 00:07:17,561 [julia_rucklidge]: have this blood test that can really give that confirmation like you might with some 85 00:07:17,661 --> 00:07:27,156 [julia_rucklidge]: other physical disease so it's it does mean that uh you know that it requires 86 00:07:27,196 --> 00:07:33,034 [julia_rucklidge]: the individual to go forward and to to be able to discuss the things that 87 00:07:33,074 --> 00:07:37,662 [julia_rucklidge]: are happening for them and or to discuss the thoughts that might be in their 88 00:07:37,742 --> 00:07:43,211 [julia_rucklidge]: minds that might be plaguing them and and so there is as i said there's 89 00:07:43,271 --> 00:07:49,602 [julia_rucklidge]: more of a support for people to do that but that also the downside of 90 00:07:49,662 --> 00:07:53,248 [julia_rucklidge]: that is that we don't have enough mental health professionals to deal with the number 91 00:07:53,308 --> 00:07:57,765 [julia_rucklidge]: of people who are going forward seeking help so we've got 92 00:07:57,769 --> 00:07:58,376 [zaza]: hm 93 00:07:57,805 --> 00:08:01,110 [julia_rucklidge]: to but i suppose that's partly why there's a crisis because 94 00:08:01,466 --> 00:08:02,096 [zaza]: yeah 95 00:08:02,172 --> 00:08:05,297 [julia_rucklidge]: there's now a long waiting list and it's hard to get in to see a 96 00:08:05,377 --> 00:08:09,404 [julia_rucklidge]: psychologist so then there's people who are suicidal 97 00:08:09,596 --> 00:08:09,822 [zaza]: yah 98 00:08:09,685 --> 00:08:14,533 [julia_rucklidge]: or self harming and and the and that captures a lot of media tension 99 00:08:14,306 --> 00:08:15,986 [zaza]: oh 100 00:08:14,653 --> 00:08:17,197 [julia_rucklidge]: around you know there's these people who are really clearly 101 00:08:17,216 --> 00:08:17,397 [zaza]: yes 102 00:08:17,257 --> 00:08:19,325 [julia_rucklidge]: really distressed and there's no help for them 103 00:08:20,738 --> 00:08:24,706 [zaza]: yeah i'm currently seeing a psychotherapist and have been seeing one for the past three 104 00:08:24,766 --> 00:08:26,409 [zaza]: years and 105 00:08:26,383 --> 00:08:26,970 [julia_rucklidge]: hm 106 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:28,814 [zaza]: my health insurance here covers it which is fantastic 107 00:08:29,671 --> 00:08:29,935 [julia_rucklidge]: great 108 00:08:29,876 --> 00:08:34,876 [zaza]: but at the same time i had to send like probably around a hundred you 109 00:08:34,916 --> 00:08:37,840 [zaza]: know inquiries before i got one hand 110 00:08:37,572 --> 00:08:37,774 [julia_rucklidge]: right 111 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,805 [zaza]: and he told me that the waiting lists are just pretty much insane 112 00:08:43,138 --> 00:08:43,361 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 113 00:08:43,206 --> 00:08:44,809 [zaza]: so i guess this is a global phenomenon 114 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:45,840 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 115 00:08:44,889 --> 00:08:45,810 [zaza]: not just germany 116 00:08:46,460 --> 00:08:47,265 [julia_rucklidge]: oh absolutely 117 00:08:47,152 --> 00:08:52,602 [zaza]: anyway i'm ninety nine percent certain that i've had a d d since i was 118 00:08:52,642 --> 00:08:55,867 [zaza]: a child never officially diagnosed i have to have to be honest here 119 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:57,210 [julia_rucklidge]: hm 120 00:08:56,688 --> 00:09:01,496 [zaza]: on the other hand everybody else in my social circle is saying the exact same 121 00:09:01,677 --> 00:09:05,783 [zaza]: thing that they can focus that they're restless that their emotions are all over the 122 00:09:05,824 --> 00:09:11,633 [zaza]: place they're also suffering from a d d so is it possible that we really 123 00:09:11,874 --> 00:09:14,799 [zaza]: all have a d d like as a generational thing 124 00:09:15,130 --> 00:09:15,310 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 125 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,757 [zaza]: or are we just giving a fancy name to our hyper active modern life style 126 00:09:20,740 --> 00:09:23,485 [julia_rucklidge]: i think it depends on who you talk to you're gonna get a different answer 127 00:09:23,565 --> 00:09:25,228 [julia_rucklidge]: on that one asa so 128 00:09:25,154 --> 00:09:25,456 [zaza]: okay 129 00:09:26,089 --> 00:09:29,635 [julia_rucklidge]: as some one who has studied at h d since i did my ph d 130 00:09:30,356 --> 00:09:34,924 [julia_rucklidge]: which was in the nineteen nineties um i is definitely gone up and the number 131 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:38,831 [julia_rucklidge]: of people who are being identified of it's now more identified in girls it's more 132 00:09:38,871 --> 00:09:42,998 [julia_rucklidge]: identified in adults it doesn't you know we used to think that people grew out 133 00:09:43,058 --> 00:09:48,467 [julia_rucklidge]: of it and they don't um but the bottom line really is that 134 00:09:49,178 --> 00:09:49,916 [zaza]: yeah 135 00:09:49,548 --> 00:09:55,558 [julia_rucklidge]: we all struggle with difficulties with concentration some of the time and so we need 136 00:09:55,599 --> 00:09:58,564 [julia_rucklidge]: to be careful about not just going around saying that we have a d d 137 00:09:58,724 --> 00:09:59,505 [julia_rucklidge]: just because we 138 00:09:59,486 --> 00:09:59,691 [zaza]: oh 139 00:09:59,585 --> 00:10:03,251 [julia_rucklidge]: can't focus on our work and that we're being distracted by 140 00:10:03,566 --> 00:10:03,750 [zaza]: oh 141 00:10:04,073 --> 00:10:06,617 [julia_rucklidge]: social media or all the bells 142 00:10:06,476 --> 00:10:07,136 [zaza]: oh 143 00:10:06,817 --> 00:10:08,160 [julia_rucklidge]: and dings that constantly 144 00:10:07,747 --> 00:10:07,827 [zaza]: ah 145 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:14,274 [julia_rucklidge]: happen in our social life these days with our phones telling us that new messages 146 00:10:14,334 --> 00:10:21,577 [julia_rucklidge]: have come in and that's distracting um so so you know that that's that's something 147 00:10:21,597 --> 00:10:26,665 [julia_rucklidge]: that i think we can all agree that we experience at some point you know 148 00:10:26,705 --> 00:10:31,392 [julia_rucklidge]: during the day you might you know it might be a boring task is harder 149 00:10:31,433 --> 00:10:36,120 [julia_rucklidge]: to concentrate on that so so i think we need to acknowledge that that's part 150 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:42,291 [julia_rucklidge]: of the human condition and that but once it gets to you know from a 151 00:10:42,511 --> 00:10:50,324 [julia_rucklidge]: diagnostic perspective once it gets to a certain level of disability where you cannot function 152 00:10:50,745 --> 00:10:54,832 [julia_rucklidge]: in your world as a consequence of not being able to folk us um you 153 00:10:54,992 --> 00:10:56,114 [julia_rucklidge]: cannot as a child 154 00:10:56,066 --> 00:10:56,250 [zaza]: ye 155 00:10:56,214 --> 00:11:02,144 [julia_rucklidge]: get your work done and and achieve at school because you are constantly distracted by 156 00:11:02,184 --> 00:11:06,471 [julia_rucklidge]: the things that are going on around you at a greater level then your peers 157 00:11:07,673 --> 00:11:12,822 [julia_rucklidge]: or as an adult that it influences your ability to work then that's when people 158 00:11:13,342 --> 00:11:18,711 [julia_rucklidge]: you should be at least thinking about whether or not this is the d d 159 00:11:18,892 --> 00:11:25,082 [julia_rucklidge]: that's identified as a disorder so but i just we have to be careful about 160 00:11:25,142 --> 00:11:26,244 [julia_rucklidge]: making sure that it's it's 161 00:11:26,276 --> 00:11:26,482 [zaza]: oh 162 00:11:26,304 --> 00:11:31,032 [julia_rucklidge]: impairing because as i said it's part of the in condition so it's that it's 163 00:11:31,172 --> 00:11:35,740 [julia_rucklidge]: actually causing significant substantial functional impairment 164 00:11:35,975 --> 00:11:35,996 [zaza]: m 165 00:11:36,541 --> 00:11:44,554 [julia_rucklidge]: such that it's worth exploring it more in or to ultimately you know the reason 166 00:11:44,635 --> 00:11:47,940 [julia_rucklidge]: why you would want to do that is to get a good treatment you know 167 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,342 [julia_rucklidge]: to to be able to 168 00:11:49,256 --> 00:11:50,456 [zaza]: yeah 169 00:11:49,463 --> 00:11:55,933 [julia_rucklidge]: find a medication or other altera its treatment to 170 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:56,783 [zaza]: oh 171 00:11:56,615 --> 00:12:03,927 [julia_rucklidge]: support support you to be able to function in your world more optimalely but some 172 00:12:03,806 --> 00:12:05,696 [zaza]: oh 173 00:12:03,967 --> 00:12:10,801 [julia_rucklidge]: people treat it by just their choice of careers and some careers being you know 174 00:12:11,403 --> 00:12:13,146 [julia_rucklidge]: embrace those types of symptoms so 175 00:12:13,186 --> 00:12:13,286 [zaza]: oh 176 00:12:13,227 --> 00:12:13,347 [julia_rucklidge]: it's 177 00:12:13,326 --> 00:12:13,506 [zaza]: that's 178 00:12:13,427 --> 00:12:13,567 [julia_rucklidge]: not 179 00:12:13,586 --> 00:12:14,047 [zaza]: interesting 180 00:12:13,628 --> 00:12:13,888 [julia_rucklidge]: that it 181 00:12:14,668 --> 00:12:15,850 [zaza]: what's what's what's 182 00:12:15,780 --> 00:12:16,680 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 183 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:16,632 [zaza]: a career that's 184 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:17,358 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 185 00:12:17,153 --> 00:12:22,101 [zaza]: kind of doesn't worse than your a d d symptoms or 186 00:12:22,042 --> 00:12:22,203 [julia_rucklidge]: well 187 00:12:22,141 --> 00:12:22,762 [zaza]: is beneficial 188 00:12:22,324 --> 00:12:22,505 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean 189 00:12:22,802 --> 00:12:23,584 [zaza]: to them for 190 00:12:23,530 --> 00:12:23,590 [julia_rucklidge]: you 191 00:12:23,624 --> 00:12:24,004 [zaza]: example 192 00:12:23,670 --> 00:12:24,972 [julia_rucklidge]: have to you have to think 193 00:12:24,966 --> 00:12:25,046 [zaza]: i'm 194 00:12:25,052 --> 00:12:25,252 [julia_rucklidge]: about 195 00:12:25,086 --> 00:12:26,454 [zaza]: not that old i can still change 196 00:12:26,194 --> 00:12:27,416 [julia_rucklidge]: right right you can 197 00:12:27,319 --> 00:12:27,722 [zaza]: my path 198 00:12:28,277 --> 00:12:28,418 [julia_rucklidge]: um 199 00:12:28,766 --> 00:12:29,786 [zaza]: yeah 200 00:12:28,798 --> 00:12:35,229 [julia_rucklidge]: i think you probably know it means it's the eighth is ultimately a mis match 201 00:12:35,510 --> 00:12:41,740 [julia_rucklidge]: between you know you and your environment and so you can change your environment in 202 00:12:41,940 --> 00:12:45,106 [julia_rucklidge]: order to lessen the impact that these 203 00:12:44,996 --> 00:12:46,016 [zaza]: oh 204 00:12:45,146 --> 00:12:48,832 [julia_rucklidge]: symptoms have so you know perhaps creator secretarial 205 00:12:48,326 --> 00:12:48,588 [zaza]: oh 206 00:12:48,932 --> 00:12:51,576 [julia_rucklidge]: job wouldn't be the best one for somebody who's constantly 207 00:12:51,296 --> 00:12:51,316 [zaza]: m 208 00:12:51,616 --> 00:12:56,064 [julia_rucklidge]: distracted who can't stay focused on something or you know where there's there's not a 209 00:12:56,084 --> 00:12:57,065 [julia_rucklidge]: lot of stimulation in the 210 00:12:57,086 --> 00:12:57,309 [zaza]: oh 211 00:12:57,126 --> 00:12:58,528 [julia_rucklidge]: environment but if the environment is 212 00:12:58,586 --> 00:12:58,606 [zaza]: m 213 00:12:58,588 --> 00:13:03,456 [julia_rucklidge]: stimulating and cons changing journalists are often identified as having a d 214 00:13:03,446 --> 00:13:03,627 [zaza]: oh 215 00:13:03,697 --> 00:13:05,379 [julia_rucklidge]: h d whether we believe that or 216 00:13:05,426 --> 00:13:05,729 [zaza]: oh 217 00:13:05,459 --> 00:13:07,964 [julia_rucklidge]: not but i've heard that a lot of people in film or 218 00:13:08,036 --> 00:13:08,157 [zaza]: ye 219 00:13:08,765 --> 00:13:19,236 [julia_rucklidge]: um so you know an environment that's constantly stimulating your brain does lessen the impact 220 00:13:19,316 --> 00:13:20,157 [julia_rucklidge]: of those symptoms 221 00:13:20,336 --> 00:13:20,656 [zaza]: yeah 222 00:13:20,397 --> 00:13:21,718 [julia_rucklidge]: so finding a better 223 00:13:21,538 --> 00:13:21,778 [zaza]: very 224 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:22,439 [julia_rucklidge]: match 225 00:13:22,419 --> 00:13:25,624 [zaza]: very funny you should mention that because i used to be a journalist for eight 226 00:13:25,684 --> 00:13:25,965 [zaza]: years 227 00:13:26,203 --> 00:13:26,346 [julia_rucklidge]: uh 228 00:13:26,265 --> 00:13:26,666 [zaza]: and then i 229 00:13:27,210 --> 00:13:27,230 [julia_rucklidge]: m 230 00:13:27,247 --> 00:13:29,431 [zaza]: i started screen writing on top of that 231 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:30,252 [julia_rucklidge]: uh 232 00:13:30,232 --> 00:13:31,694 [zaza]: so you mentioned the two things 233 00:13:31,479 --> 00:13:31,500 [julia_rucklidge]: h 234 00:13:32,055 --> 00:13:33,178 [zaza]: that are really really enjoyed 235 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:33,752 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 236 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:35,604 [zaza]: um anyway 237 00:13:36,390 --> 00:13:36,711 [julia_rucklidge]: so then 238 00:13:36,599 --> 00:13:36,722 [zaza]: yeah 239 00:13:36,771 --> 00:13:41,739 [julia_rucklidge]: you can sometimes see disability can sometimes be a strength and so i 240 00:13:41,768 --> 00:13:42,536 [zaza]: hm 241 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,970 [julia_rucklidge]: i worry that at the moment we're in a point in history where we pathology 242 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:55,442 [julia_rucklidge]: is a lot and we are looking at our disabilities and that's partly because we're 243 00:13:55,462 --> 00:14:00,530 [julia_rucklidge]: encouraging people to talk about their disabilities but on the flip side is that we 244 00:14:00,711 --> 00:14:09,425 [julia_rucklidge]: then may be minimized the our individual strength and and differences and our unique attributes 245 00:14:09,946 --> 00:14:15,277 [julia_rucklidge]: and and see them as a disorder rather that is something creative or something to 246 00:14:15,498 --> 00:14:19,487 [julia_rucklidge]: embrace so yeah i don't think we have to always see these things as being 247 00:14:19,527 --> 00:14:19,968 [julia_rucklidge]: a negative 248 00:14:20,836 --> 00:14:21,877 [zaza]: that's a really valuable 249 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:21,680 [julia_rucklidge]: m 250 00:14:21,977 --> 00:14:29,137 [zaza]: point um you touched upon it briefly in your last answer so i just wanted 251 00:14:29,178 --> 00:14:32,904 [zaza]: to ask you what did you think of social media in this regard on one 252 00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:33,132 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 253 00:14:32,964 --> 00:14:34,006 [zaza]: hand and now more 254 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:33,890 [julia_rucklidge]: m 255 00:14:34,026 --> 00:14:38,533 [zaza]: than ever life seems impossible without it on the other i can't seem to peel 256 00:14:38,874 --> 00:14:39,375 [zaza]: a potato 257 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:40,318 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 258 00:14:40,176 --> 00:14:42,365 [zaza]: checking out what my cousins you know 259 00:14:42,339 --> 00:14:42,360 [julia_rucklidge]: m 260 00:14:42,405 --> 00:14:44,152 [zaza]: had for breakfast like seven times in a row 261 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:45,102 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 262 00:14:45,707 --> 00:14:45,928 [zaza]: how do 263 00:14:45,889 --> 00:14:46,071 [julia_rucklidge]: there's 264 00:14:45,989 --> 00:14:46,210 [zaza]: we get 265 00:14:46,151 --> 00:14:46,373 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean 266 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:46,652 [zaza]: out of this 267 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,485 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean i'm not an expert on social media and there are people who now 268 00:14:50,625 --> 00:14:54,892 [julia_rucklidge]: that they make it their career to learn about the impact of social media and 269 00:14:55,193 --> 00:14:56,675 [julia_rucklidge]: whether it's increasing the 270 00:14:56,696 --> 00:14:56,918 [zaza]: oh 271 00:14:56,735 --> 00:15:01,543 [julia_rucklidge]: rates of mental health issues and there are associe tiens that have been identified where 272 00:15:01,624 --> 00:15:05,410 [julia_rucklidge]: the more hours that you are on social media than the greater it particularly in 273 00:15:05,490 --> 00:15:12,922 [julia_rucklidge]: tins than the greater the expression of some mental health problems and suicidal ideation is 274 00:15:12,983 --> 00:15:17,330 [julia_rucklidge]: self harm and depression so there are correlations but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's 275 00:15:17,851 --> 00:15:22,478 [julia_rucklidge]: it's causing those difficulties but it does it should at least make us 276 00:15:22,616 --> 00:15:22,838 [zaza]: oh 277 00:15:23,563 --> 00:15:25,321 [julia_rucklidge]: no interested 278 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:25,070 [zaza]: a 279 00:15:25,942 --> 00:15:28,286 [julia_rucklidge]: to to explore that further 280 00:15:28,256 --> 00:15:28,560 [zaza]: oh 281 00:15:28,346 --> 00:15:33,635 [julia_rucklidge]: to see whether or not it is impairing but again you know what can be 282 00:15:34,196 --> 00:15:34,319 [zaza]: ye 283 00:15:34,536 --> 00:15:38,924 [julia_rucklidge]: a problem can also be a string and i think we can't just see this 284 00:15:38,984 --> 00:15:42,830 [julia_rucklidge]: in a black and white perspective look at you know you and i are talking 285 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:49,942 [julia_rucklidge]: here as a consequence of social media and you found me because of social media 286 00:15:50,523 --> 00:15:55,932 [julia_rucklidge]: so is that necessarily a bad thing my tete talk that you mentioned the beginning 287 00:15:55,916 --> 00:15:56,140 [zaza]: oh 288 00:15:56,112 --> 00:16:01,605 [julia_rucklidge]: has been spread as a consequence of social media so p have shared it because 289 00:16:01,626 --> 00:16:05,872 [julia_rucklidge]: they enjoyed it and they've told their friends about it you know should i think 290 00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:10,320 [julia_rucklidge]: that oh my goodness that's terrible that people are actually watching my video um so 291 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:15,308 [julia_rucklidge]: so we have to again i just i just always worry that we we put 292 00:16:15,588 --> 00:16:19,902 [julia_rucklidge]: things in for simple terms in black and white and that there's shades of gray 293 00:16:20,002 --> 00:16:26,733 [julia_rucklidge]: so social media has it's a technology it can be really really useful it can 294 00:16:26,893 --> 00:16:32,062 [julia_rucklidge]: connect people in a time of covid when that week a lock down you know 295 00:16:32,262 --> 00:16:36,970 [julia_rucklidge]: a hundred years ago the way we've experienced them over the last two years you 296 00:16:37,010 --> 00:16:41,618 [julia_rucklidge]: would have been completely socially disconnected from everyone other than the people who you were 297 00:16:41,678 --> 00:16:46,065 [julia_rucklidge]: living with whereas in fact you could stay connected with everybody around you and you 298 00:16:46,105 --> 00:16:49,050 [julia_rucklidge]: could do face time and you could do all of those things that we couldn't 299 00:16:49,491 --> 00:16:53,518 [julia_rucklidge]: have been able to do a hundred years ago so like any tool it can 300 00:16:53,598 --> 00:16:57,964 [julia_rucklidge]: be used for a fit and it can be used for harm um you know 301 00:16:58,084 --> 00:17:01,308 [julia_rucklidge]: you can use a hammer to put the nail in or you can use a 302 00:17:01,348 --> 00:17:09,000 [julia_rucklidge]: hammer just you know it's your neighbor or something so so we need to see 303 00:17:09,060 --> 00:17:14,369 [julia_rucklidge]: it as what it is it's a tool and we need to then put boundaries 304 00:17:14,429 --> 00:17:19,497 [julia_rucklidge]: around you're going to use that tool so you know around whether or not you 305 00:17:19,577 --> 00:17:25,147 [julia_rucklidge]: want to put boundaries on on when you're going to check your social media accounts 306 00:17:25,667 --> 00:17:29,955 [julia_rucklidge]: well that's up to you to do that but it does definitely probably play a 307 00:17:30,275 --> 00:17:36,065 [julia_rucklidge]: positive role in your in your your life as well so let's again not not 308 00:17:36,165 --> 00:17:42,095 [julia_rucklidge]: see this as being evil or good it's simply a tool that we can use 309 00:17:42,756 --> 00:17:44,178 [julia_rucklidge]: for benefit or for harm 310 00:17:46,747 --> 00:17:52,978 [zaza]: um in your tex video which i encourage absolutely everybody to watch you present the 311 00:17:53,058 --> 00:17:53,699 [zaza]: evidence for the 312 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:53,896 [julia_rucklidge]: yeh 313 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:56,223 [zaza]: proposition that nutrition can improve 314 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:55,880 [julia_rucklidge]: m 315 00:17:56,304 --> 00:17:56,865 [zaza]: mental health 316 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:57,522 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 317 00:17:58,216 --> 00:18:03,605 [zaza]: sometimes even more so than drugs during your talk you say optimizing nutrition is a 318 00:18:03,725 --> 00:18:06,429 [zaza]: safe and viable way to avoid 319 00:18:06,144 --> 00:18:06,164 [julia_rucklidge]: m 320 00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:09,154 [zaza]: treat or less than mental illness nutrition 321 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:09,990 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 322 00:18:09,394 --> 00:18:09,755 [zaza]: matters 323 00:18:10,322 --> 00:18:10,342 [julia_rucklidge]: s 324 00:18:10,517 --> 00:18:13,084 [zaza]: how did you first arrive at the idea that food 325 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,760 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 326 00:18:13,164 --> 00:18:16,534 [zaza]: can actually treat something as elusive as mental illness 327 00:18:17,171 --> 00:18:21,739 [julia_rucklidge]: right i mean i think when people hear that they think it's a new idea 328 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,669 [julia_rucklidge]: and it's not a new idea because if you go back in history our ancestors 329 00:18:27,749 --> 00:18:33,578 [julia_rucklidge]: knew the imp and of food for our health so um so i i just 330 00:18:33,598 --> 00:18:37,405 [julia_rucklidge]: want to put put it out there that this is not my idea what i 331 00:18:38,026 --> 00:18:42,613 [julia_rucklidge]: have done along with body caplin who i co the better brain with um is 332 00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:47,021 [julia_rucklidge]: that what we did was that we have put it back on the map we 333 00:18:47,181 --> 00:18:47,602 [julia_rucklidge]: lost 334 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:47,892 [zaza]: ah 335 00:18:48,744 --> 00:18:54,734 [julia_rucklidge]: you know we we there's a few things that have happened recent history that explain 336 00:18:54,894 --> 00:18:59,201 [julia_rucklidge]: why we don't think of food has been relevant to our brain and so one 337 00:18:59,241 --> 00:19:06,175 [julia_rucklidge]: of them is that our food environment has changed the most dramatically it has ever 338 00:19:06,255 --> 00:19:16,063 [julia_rucklidge]: had in our entire evolution so we've introduced things into our diet that our ancestors 339 00:19:16,183 --> 00:19:20,751 [julia_rucklidge]: did not eat so there would be things like your food colors you preservatives 340 00:19:20,227 --> 00:19:20,451 [zaza]: okay 341 00:19:20,851 --> 00:19:27,422 [julia_rucklidge]: your multifiers all of those numbers on packages are things that are made in 342 00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:27,436 [zaza]: m 343 00:19:27,482 --> 00:19:34,173 [julia_rucklidge]: a factory as opposed to grown in a field so are exposing ourselves to all 344 00:19:34,233 --> 00:19:38,661 [julia_rucklidge]: of these things i call i don't call them food because food is supposed to 345 00:19:38,701 --> 00:19:44,290 [julia_rucklidge]: be nourishing and good for you these things are not so they taste really god 346 00:19:44,811 --> 00:19:50,701 [julia_rucklidge]: they've been you know there's been an incredible amount of cleverness that has gone into 347 00:19:51,302 --> 00:19:55,268 [julia_rucklidge]: the creation of these foods to make them addictive for you to like the taste 348 00:19:55,348 --> 00:19:59,716 [julia_rucklidge]: of them the sure that you keep eating more of it because you want more 349 00:19:59,756 --> 00:20:05,025 [julia_rucklidge]: of it so they have really optimized the triggering of nero transmitters in your brain 350 00:20:05,125 --> 00:20:08,531 [julia_rucklidge]: that say give me more you know in terms of like an addict and like 351 00:20:08,971 --> 00:20:15,264 [julia_rucklidge]: you know like heroine other ther drugs so we've turned food into essentially a drug 352 00:20:16,045 --> 00:20:18,961 [julia_rucklidge]: for some people a food addiction and so 353 00:20:19,166 --> 00:20:19,429 [zaza]: oh 354 00:20:19,381 --> 00:20:24,209 [julia_rucklidge]: that's been over a very very short period of time so we haven't evolved to 355 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:28,356 [julia_rucklidge]: deal with these things nor do i think we ever will hopefully what will happen 356 00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:33,605 [julia_rucklidge]: is that we'll kind of see this an experiment a really bad social experiment where 357 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:37,672 [julia_rucklidge]: we you know we fed people really crappy food for a hundred years and then 358 00:20:37,752 --> 00:20:41,138 [julia_rucklidge]: we look to see what happened that's basically what we're doing right now 359 00:20:41,306 --> 00:20:41,628 [zaza]: oh 360 00:20:41,739 --> 00:20:46,947 [julia_rucklidge]: and it evident what's happened is that our kids can't focus our kids are really 361 00:20:47,108 --> 00:20:52,497 [julia_rucklidge]: anxious there you know they're self harming the suicide rates and the suicidal ideation is 362 00:20:52,537 --> 00:20:57,385 [julia_rucklidge]: going you know sky rock and as we talked about at the beginning so we 363 00:20:57,625 --> 00:21:04,577 [julia_rucklidge]: have we know the effects of these foods and we can see the harm that 364 00:21:04,617 --> 00:21:09,405 [julia_rucklidge]: they're doing to us now so so that's one thing that's happened in a very 365 00:21:09,485 --> 00:21:15,094 [julia_rucklidge]: short period of time and around the same time we had the explosion of pharmasuticales 366 00:21:15,835 --> 00:21:20,904 [julia_rucklidge]: and so that's your drugs to treat mental health issues so we ended up with 367 00:21:21,104 --> 00:21:26,593 [julia_rucklidge]: pro zac nineteen eighty seven that came out stimulants for h d things like witling 368 00:21:27,074 --> 00:21:31,542 [julia_rucklidge]: have been actually around for a long time probably you know the concept of giving 369 00:21:32,283 --> 00:21:35,809 [julia_rucklidge]: a medication like that to help people focus has been around for over a hundred 370 00:21:35,869 --> 00:21:41,598 [julia_rucklidge]: years so but it's been over the last maybe since the sixty seventies that we've 371 00:21:41,659 --> 00:21:47,380 [julia_rucklidge]: really used in in in this really high rate as we use them now so 372 00:21:47,901 --> 00:21:51,066 [julia_rucklidge]: we went from we've got the change in the food industry and then we're putting 373 00:21:51,106 --> 00:21:55,794 [julia_rucklidge]: these drugs out there to say you can cure your mental health issues with these 374 00:21:55,894 --> 00:21:56,595 [julia_rucklidge]: drugs you just 375 00:21:56,516 --> 00:21:58,016 [zaza]: oh 376 00:21:56,635 --> 00:21:59,680 [julia_rucklidge]: have to take one and you're going to be great and take on a daily 377 00:21:59,761 --> 00:22:05,290 [julia_rucklidge]: basis and so that was incredibly as humans were like we seem to really be 378 00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:12,502 [julia_rucklidge]: captured by this concept that we have these magic treatments that can cure us that 379 00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:17,069 [julia_rucklidge]: we don't have to put any effort into in order to change so it's been 380 00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:22,739 [julia_rucklidge]: a very you know that we've we've embraced to the side concept taking up a 381 00:22:22,819 --> 00:22:28,248 [julia_rucklidge]: daily hell to cure ur ills and um and while it would have been you 382 00:22:28,288 --> 00:22:34,398 [julia_rucklidge]: know back when i was an undergraduate student the idea that you could give a 383 00:22:34,498 --> 00:22:41,669 [julia_rucklidge]: drug to change your nur transmitters that were involved in mood regulation was stunning it 384 00:22:41,709 --> 00:22:47,599 [julia_rucklidge]: was exciting it was with you know we thought we're on the threshold of finding 385 00:22:47,659 --> 00:22:53,148 [julia_rucklidge]: a cure or a permanent cure to these mental health problems but in fact what 386 00:22:53,369 --> 00:22:54,551 [julia_rucklidge]: we've discovered 387 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:54,866 [zaza]: yeah 388 00:22:54,851 --> 00:23:00,340 [julia_rucklidge]: over the years of giving these drugs out to people is that one not enough 389 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,001 [julia_rucklidge]: people have gotten 390 00:23:00,956 --> 00:23:00,976 [zaza]: m 391 00:23:01,101 --> 00:23:05,649 [julia_rucklidge]: well with them right so that's that's a stark reality you just have to hang 392 00:23:05,689 --> 00:23:10,337 [julia_rucklidge]: out in my lab for you know twenty four hours and you would hear you 393 00:23:10,537 --> 00:23:14,644 [julia_rucklidge]: get you would see the else that i get the phone calls that i get 394 00:23:15,105 --> 00:23:22,297 [julia_rucklidge]: you know just the constant barrage of people seeking help because the drugs haven't worked 395 00:23:22,597 --> 00:23:28,227 [julia_rucklidge]: so you can even just on the tex comments of people saying giving their stories 396 00:23:28,467 --> 00:23:33,375 [julia_rucklidge]: of having been on these medications and not only did it not cure them but 397 00:23:33,435 --> 00:23:37,702 [julia_rucklidge]: it created an addiction that it's very hard to them to come off of so 398 00:23:38,043 --> 00:23:42,250 [julia_rucklidge]: that means that these anti depressions that we put people on people if they try 399 00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:46,517 [julia_rucklidge]: to come off of them the symptoms that plagued them at the beginning returned with 400 00:23:46,577 --> 00:23:52,347 [julia_rucklidge]: a vengeance on it's not that it's just the underlying problem that's returning it's that 401 00:23:52,427 --> 00:23:58,838 [julia_rucklidge]: your brain has adapted to having these drugs present that when you take it away 402 00:23:59,218 --> 00:24:00,320 [julia_rucklidge]: your brain caught goes 403 00:24:01,496 --> 00:24:01,758 [zaza]: oh 404 00:24:01,522 --> 00:24:06,510 [julia_rucklidge]: right it's just like i need this drug to function now and you've taken it 405 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:12,200 [julia_rucklidge]: away and so you end up an incredibly um you know this this symptom of 406 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,848 [julia_rucklidge]: withdrawal it's it's similar to you know if you were you smoker and you stopped 407 00:24:17,369 --> 00:24:23,919 [julia_rucklidge]: know smoking cigarettes cold turkey you would experience withdrawal it's the same thing that's happenin 408 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:28,707 [julia_rucklidge]: people with psychiatric medications but it's something that we don't talk a lot about and 409 00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:33,255 [julia_rucklidge]: so people think that it's their fault that it's the underlying condition that's returning and 410 00:24:33,315 --> 00:24:39,986 [julia_rucklidge]: it's not so we've so we're at now at a point in history where we 411 00:24:40,267 --> 00:24:41,649 [julia_rucklidge]: are acknowledging that 412 00:24:41,546 --> 00:24:41,768 [zaza]: yah 413 00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:45,135 [julia_rucklidge]: these drugs didn't do us a hell of a lot of good for lots of 414 00:24:45,195 --> 00:24:47,338 [julia_rucklidge]: people some people absolutely 415 00:24:46,946 --> 00:24:47,167 [zaza]: oh 416 00:24:47,499 --> 00:24:53,403 [julia_rucklidge]: save law so i will always acknowledge that there are people who who have been 417 00:24:53,463 --> 00:24:57,750 [julia_rucklidge]: helped by it but the data show that it's only a very small percentage of 418 00:24:57,810 --> 00:25:01,857 [julia_rucklidge]: people who are really helped in the long term so we've got people who are 419 00:25:01,877 --> 00:25:05,303 [julia_rucklidge]: then on the drugs who are still to now if this was an antibiotic and 420 00:25:05,383 --> 00:25:05,483 [julia_rucklidge]: you 421 00:25:05,456 --> 00:25:06,716 [zaza]: yeah 422 00:25:05,543 --> 00:25:08,568 [julia_rucklidge]: were on an antibiotic and you still had an affection i sure hope that you 423 00:25:08,608 --> 00:25:12,495 [julia_rucklidge]: would be a bit grumpy about that but when it comes to andy depressence we're 424 00:25:12,575 --> 00:25:19,290 [julia_rucklidge]: not we seem to accept that old still be depressed even on a nertydepressent well 425 00:25:19,651 --> 00:25:23,136 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean what you know it's it's you know you could kind of liken it 426 00:25:23,196 --> 00:25:27,504 [julia_rucklidge]: a little bit to how we've accepted that you take a vaccine and yet you 427 00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:32,993 [julia_rucklidge]: still get covid so it's an interesting this interesting how we kind of think that 428 00:25:33,053 --> 00:25:39,123 [julia_rucklidge]: that's that's a reasonable out outcome you know you know it comes to vaccines some 429 00:25:39,183 --> 00:25:42,549 [julia_rucklidge]: people will say well of course you mean you won't have gotten it as seriously 430 00:25:42,609 --> 00:25:46,996 [julia_rucklidge]: and severe as you you would have if you hadn't had the vaccine although that's 431 00:25:47,056 --> 00:25:54,929 [julia_rucklidge]: quite debatable so it's not it's just it's interesting how we we can quickly accept 432 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:59,783 [julia_rucklidge]: the treatment isn't as good as it should be and that we still see that 433 00:25:59,944 --> 00:26:01,167 [julia_rucklidge]: as been okay 434 00:26:03,177 --> 00:26:06,182 [zaza]: so you perform studies on people with various mental illnesses 435 00:26:06,144 --> 00:26:06,307 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 436 00:26:06,663 --> 00:26:09,948 [zaza]: and the intake of so called micro nutrients which i believe 437 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:09,963 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 438 00:26:10,009 --> 00:26:12,453 [zaza]: are various minerals and environments 439 00:26:12,217 --> 00:26:12,399 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 440 00:26:13,154 --> 00:26:14,836 [zaza]: however for most of 441 00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:14,991 [julia_rucklidge]: ye 442 00:26:14,916 --> 00:26:20,025 [zaza]: us who can't really participate in these studies you're generally recommending the adoption of the 443 00:26:20,386 --> 00:26:22,409 [zaza]: so called mediterranean diet if i 444 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:22,601 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 445 00:26:22,469 --> 00:26:23,391 [zaza]: understood that correctly 446 00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:23,492 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 447 00:26:24,112 --> 00:26:28,118 [zaza]: a part of me is always kind of happy to hear that because i imagine 448 00:26:28,199 --> 00:26:31,504 [zaza]: i can pounce on pepperonipiza and pasta carbonara like 449 00:26:31,491 --> 00:26:31,532 [julia_rucklidge]: m 450 00:26:31,604 --> 00:26:32,145 [zaza]: a hungry 451 00:26:32,139 --> 00:26:32,160 [julia_rucklidge]: m 452 00:26:32,245 --> 00:26:33,588 [zaza]: yorkshire terrier from 453 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,800 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 454 00:26:33,648 --> 00:26:37,875 [zaza]: now on but that's probably not exactly what you have in mind is it 455 00:26:39,581 --> 00:26:40,122 [julia_rucklidge]: not exactly 456 00:26:40,616 --> 00:26:40,817 [zaza]: oh 457 00:26:40,843 --> 00:26:42,486 [julia_rucklidge]: well not just that um 458 00:26:42,709 --> 00:26:43,616 [zaza]: yeah 459 00:26:43,388 --> 00:26:47,835 [julia_rucklidge]: so the research that i've been doing is on giving people demons and minerals in 460 00:26:47,895 --> 00:26:50,319 [julia_rucklidge]: a pill form and this is 461 00:26:50,786 --> 00:26:51,030 [zaza]: oh 462 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,648 [julia_rucklidge]: um you know and not again it's not something that i invented it was just 463 00:26:55,688 --> 00:27:00,236 [julia_rucklidge]: something that i just happened to be i think in the right place at the 464 00:27:00,296 --> 00:27:05,725 [julia_rucklidge]: right time so it just when i was doing my ph d in alberta canada 465 00:27:06,226 --> 00:27:12,035 [julia_rucklidge]: my supervisor bonny caplin who i mentioned before i wrote the better brain with she 466 00:27:12,216 --> 00:27:17,404 [julia_rucklidge]: was approached by families from southern el canada who were treating themselves with nutrients 467 00:27:17,186 --> 00:27:17,350 [zaza]: ye 468 00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:22,333 [julia_rucklidge]: and they were getting well and staying well and the concept of giving people a 469 00:27:22,473 --> 00:27:27,020 [julia_rucklidge]: broad spectrum of nutrient is there's no special nutrient there you know and i'm not 470 00:27:27,101 --> 00:27:30,606 [julia_rucklidge]: here to say you should take zinc for a h d or vitamin d for 471 00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:36,055 [julia_rucklidge]: depression you need your brain needs all of the nutrient and combination in order for 472 00:27:36,116 --> 00:27:40,964 [julia_rucklidge]: it to do what it needs to do and so um so that that's what 473 00:27:41,044 --> 00:27:44,309 [julia_rucklidge]: we're doing is we're giving all the essential venamens and minerals that you would typically 474 00:27:44,349 --> 00:27:49,037 [julia_rucklidge]: get out of your food and seen whether or not the symptoms of d d 475 00:27:49,518 --> 00:27:54,466 [julia_rucklidge]: or anxiety or sion reduce in intensity and they do for many people but not 476 00:27:54,526 --> 00:28:00,717 [julia_rucklidge]: everybody mean that nothing ever treats everybody because there's always it's the complex these these 477 00:28:00,957 --> 00:28:04,643 [julia_rucklidge]: issues and for some people it's not food that's not the reason why they are 478 00:28:04,703 --> 00:28:08,730 [julia_rucklidge]: struggling it could be something completely different in their environment or could be a bit 479 00:28:08,770 --> 00:28:15,061 [julia_rucklidge]: of genetics or other things so so but we we gave these fads some minerals 480 00:28:15,141 --> 00:28:15,541 [julia_rucklidge]: to people 481 00:28:15,536 --> 00:28:15,783 [zaza]: yes 482 00:28:15,641 --> 00:28:20,329 [julia_rucklidge]: in an experimental form we compared it to placebo and we found that more people 483 00:28:20,409 --> 00:28:21,732 [julia_rucklidge]: in the micrnutrient 484 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:20,762 [zaza]: ah 485 00:28:21,832 --> 00:28:25,999 [julia_rucklidge]: groups were showing improvement in their symptoms so that gives us a lot of confidence 486 00:28:26,099 --> 00:28:30,727 [julia_rucklidge]: that what we've observed is a real phenomenon because it's not just a plus ibo 487 00:28:30,827 --> 00:28:35,394 [julia_rucklidge]: effect which is often what people will say that because when you enter a clinical 488 00:28:35,454 --> 00:28:40,443 [julia_rucklidge]: trial often people get better because of lots of reasons one is that we're caring 489 00:28:40,503 --> 00:28:43,007 [julia_rucklidge]: for them so we're giving them no kind of like when you go see your 490 00:28:43,027 --> 00:28:46,653 [julia_rucklidge]: psychotherapist that person presumably shows 491 00:28:46,706 --> 00:28:46,726 [zaza]: m 492 00:28:46,773 --> 00:28:53,665 [julia_rucklidge]: empathy care for you and your problems and that in itself is therapeutic without them 493 00:28:53,725 --> 00:28:59,194 [julia_rucklidge]: having to even say anything much at all that's that's challenging you in any way 494 00:28:59,675 --> 00:29:03,401 [julia_rucklidge]: but that care is important and so we we of cours give that when people 495 00:29:03,601 --> 00:29:07,087 [julia_rucklidge]: enter clinical trials and so then you need to show that 496 00:29:07,159 --> 00:29:07,240 [zaza]: ah 497 00:29:07,167 --> 00:29:13,658 [julia_rucklidge]: the effect is greater than that effect of that sort of that therapeutic environment so 498 00:29:13,999 --> 00:29:15,461 [julia_rucklidge]: we've shown it's also being 499 00:29:15,446 --> 00:29:15,709 [zaza]: oh 500 00:29:15,501 --> 00:29:19,969 [julia_rucklidge]: replicated now by other labs so that gives us even more confidence because you need 501 00:29:20,089 --> 00:29:24,997 [julia_rucklidge]: to have replication because it could be totally something else that might be going on 502 00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:28,343 [julia_rucklidge]: like why you might see an effect in 503 00:29:28,316 --> 00:29:28,417 [zaza]: ye 504 00:29:28,523 --> 00:29:33,932 [julia_rucklidge]: one study but not necessarily see that effect again observed in another study so it's 505 00:29:33,992 --> 00:29:34,633 [julia_rucklidge]: a replication 506 00:29:34,316 --> 00:29:34,558 [zaza]: oh 507 00:29:34,733 --> 00:29:37,298 [julia_rucklidge]: has happened now so that's really good so 508 00:29:37,577 --> 00:29:37,759 [zaza]: yeah 509 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:44,690 [julia_rucklidge]: again come confidence but you know the bottom line here is that when when you 510 00:29:44,790 --> 00:29:48,596 [julia_rucklidge]: give people vitamins and minerals we should all be asking the question of well why 511 00:29:48,616 --> 00:29:52,062 [julia_rucklidge]: don't you get them out of your food because that essentially that's where they are 512 00:29:52,563 --> 00:29:57,812 [julia_rucklidge]: and so that's where where you have to then acknowledge what i was talking about 513 00:29:57,852 --> 00:30:02,820 [julia_rucklidge]: before which is that our food environment has changed the most dramatically in our story 514 00:30:03,481 --> 00:30:06,366 [julia_rucklidge]: so what has happened to our food environment 515 00:30:06,369 --> 00:30:06,389 [zaza]: i 516 00:30:06,907 --> 00:30:11,214 [julia_rucklidge]: and that's what you should care about and and your listeners should care about is 517 00:30:11,274 --> 00:30:19,420 [julia_rucklidge]: that we have replaced real foods fruits and vegetables your nuts your lagoons your you're 518 00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:27,769 [julia_rucklidge]: lentils etcetera you know just these real whole foods that our ancestors have been eating 519 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:34,325 [julia_rucklidge]: thousands and thousands of years with these chemicals that are made and allowed that do 520 00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:41,652 [julia_rucklidge]: not contain the vitamins and minerals and any really you know any sort of major 521 00:30:42,093 --> 00:30:48,023 [julia_rucklidge]: amount so if you were to compare the vitamin mineral content of an ultra processed 522 00:30:48,283 --> 00:30:53,753 [julia_rucklidge]: diet what we call the western diet which is really and those addictive substances that 523 00:30:53,793 --> 00:30:54,774 [julia_rucklidge]: i talked about before 524 00:30:54,755 --> 00:30:54,776 [zaza]: m 525 00:30:54,935 --> 00:31:00,023 [julia_rucklidge]: sugar has got no nutrients in it unless you consume it in it's in its 526 00:31:00,644 --> 00:31:07,295 [julia_rucklidge]: real form so maple if you were to have um maple syrup from a tree 527 00:31:08,717 --> 00:31:09,278 [julia_rucklidge]: and real 528 00:31:09,356 --> 00:31:10,016 [zaza]: yeah 529 00:31:09,419 --> 00:31:13,225 [julia_rucklidge]: maple syrup not adulterated not this crappy stuff flavored maple 530 00:31:13,016 --> 00:31:15,116 [zaza]: yeah 531 00:31:13,325 --> 00:31:16,971 [julia_rucklidge]: syrup that you can buy in a super market the real stuff or the sugar 532 00:31:17,091 --> 00:31:22,836 [julia_rucklidge]: cane you know then you would be consuming that sugar with some nutrients that came 533 00:31:22,977 --> 00:31:24,278 [julia_rucklidge]: from that tree or 534 00:31:24,356 --> 00:31:24,376 [zaza]: m 535 00:31:24,378 --> 00:31:30,487 [julia_rucklidge]: that plant but sugar that we have now in our ultra process products is simply 536 00:31:30,948 --> 00:31:36,076 [julia_rucklidge]: it's you've taken the sugar from the sugar cane and you've stripped it away and 537 00:31:36,377 --> 00:31:39,742 [julia_rucklidge]: gotten rid of all of the nutrients and you've brought it down to its very 538 00:31:40,123 --> 00:31:46,574 [julia_rucklidge]: fine simple form of the stuff that makes it taste sweet and you've eliminated all 539 00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:51,963 [julia_rucklidge]: the nutrients that you would normally consume that sugar with so we you know that 540 00:31:52,083 --> 00:31:55,268 [julia_rucklidge]: and that's happening over and over and over again in the 541 00:31:55,196 --> 00:31:55,796 [zaza]: yeah 542 00:31:55,308 --> 00:31:58,113 [julia_rucklidge]: foods that we're eating in this ultra processed 543 00:31:58,076 --> 00:31:58,297 [zaza]: oh 544 00:31:58,273 --> 00:32:05,926 [julia_rucklidge]: foods so they are depleted in vitamins and minerals and so that's our point is 545 00:32:06,006 --> 00:32:11,816 [julia_rucklidge]: that you we are giving people those pidomensand minerals that they would have gotten if 546 00:32:11,856 --> 00:32:18,266 [julia_rucklidge]: they were eating real whole foods now there some caveats here because there are probably 547 00:32:18,387 --> 00:32:22,433 [julia_rucklidge]: some people who need more nutrients than what they can get out of their food 548 00:32:22,914 --> 00:32:28,964 [julia_rucklidge]: they might have genetic differences that mean that there metabolic reactions are slowed as a 549 00:32:29,024 --> 00:32:33,953 [julia_rucklidge]: consequence of getigenetic differences and so you can speed that up by giving more venaments 550 00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:39,402 [julia_rucklidge]: and minerals than you can normalize metabolic reactions by giving more vedoment minerals and and 551 00:32:39,442 --> 00:32:44,170 [julia_rucklidge]: those vedaments and minerals are essential for making those chemicals that we know are so 552 00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:49,699 [julia_rucklidge]: important things like docamane or saratonan well you can make those naturally with making sure 553 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:54,068 [julia_rucklidge]: that the he has everything it needs in order to make them but so we've 554 00:32:54,128 --> 00:32:57,615 [julia_rucklidge]: gone from it so we've gone from a place where we've taken the vitamins and 555 00:32:57,635 --> 00:33:03,265 [julia_rucklidge]: minerals out of our food you can't then make seratonant as easily as you used 556 00:33:03,346 --> 00:33:05,609 [julia_rucklidge]: to be able to do that and then we give a 557 00:33:05,699 --> 00:33:05,864 [zaza]: sure 558 00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:11,179 [julia_rucklidge]: drug like an anti do present to try to increase the amount of seratonan that's 559 00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:17,629 [julia_rucklidge]: available so we i mean wow right like you're you're going from a place of 560 00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:23,379 [julia_rucklidge]: eating real food and our ancestors having really low levels of these problems to let's 561 00:33:23,439 --> 00:33:28,427 [julia_rucklidge]: take itemans and minerals out of the food as this amazing social experiment that we've 562 00:33:28,487 --> 00:33:34,357 [julia_rucklidge]: done and then we can correct it by giving us the pharmesitocul drugs wow you 563 00:33:34,397 --> 00:33:37,842 [julia_rucklidge]: know is that the kind of culture you want to live in is not the 564 00:33:37,942 --> 00:33:41,966 [julia_rucklidge]: one that i want to live in you know that that's that's kind of we've 565 00:33:42,126 --> 00:33:48,664 [julia_rucklidge]: ended up in you know creating all these different addictions so the fact that we 566 00:33:48,824 --> 00:33:52,149 [julia_rucklidge]: gave the vioments and minerals and people got better means that there's something wrong with 567 00:33:52,169 --> 00:33:56,517 [julia_rucklidge]: the food environment and then that's why at the end of the day the first 568 00:33:56,757 --> 00:34:03,548 [julia_rucklidge]: thing that should come our research is that you should everyone should be reflecting critically 569 00:34:04,169 --> 00:34:06,614 [julia_rucklidge]: on what they eat as the 570 00:34:06,756 --> 00:34:06,856 [zaza]: oh 571 00:34:06,974 --> 00:34:08,437 [julia_rucklidge]: first thing to do 572 00:34:08,683 --> 00:34:08,985 [zaza]: this is 573 00:34:08,997 --> 00:34:09,158 [julia_rucklidge]: what 574 00:34:09,045 --> 00:34:10,430 [zaza]: going to be a long night if i 575 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:10,701 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 576 00:34:10,530 --> 00:34:10,811 [zaza]: do that 577 00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:14,294 [julia_rucklidge]: so so sasa what did you ask me what i had for breakfast what did 578 00:34:14,334 --> 00:34:15,257 [julia_rucklidge]: you have for breakfast 579 00:34:16,277 --> 00:34:20,625 [zaza]: um well i woke up super late and i just 580 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:20,630 [julia_rucklidge]: m 581 00:34:20,645 --> 00:34:22,147 [zaza]: had a cup of instant coffee 582 00:34:22,555 --> 00:34:22,779 [julia_rucklidge]: right 583 00:34:23,309 --> 00:34:25,193 [zaza]: with oat milk but 584 00:34:25,211 --> 00:34:25,472 [julia_rucklidge]: and you 585 00:34:25,453 --> 00:34:25,533 [zaza]: the 586 00:34:25,572 --> 00:34:25,732 [julia_rucklidge]: have 587 00:34:25,673 --> 00:34:25,774 [zaza]: oat 588 00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:26,113 [julia_rucklidge]: oatmeal 589 00:34:25,874 --> 00:34:26,094 [zaza]: milk 590 00:34:26,555 --> 00:34:27,498 [julia_rucklidge]: why do you have oat milk 591 00:34:28,707 --> 00:34:29,989 [zaza]: um i 592 00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:30,210 [julia_rucklidge]: because 593 00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:30,250 [zaza]: think 594 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:30,370 [julia_rucklidge]: you 595 00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:36,620 [zaza]: it's just some some sort of erroneous belief i convinced myself that i'm intolerant to 596 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,265 [zaza]: a whole bunch of things i've mentioned at the beginning that i'm a bit 597 00:34:39,249 --> 00:34:39,270 [julia_rucklidge]: m 598 00:34:39,285 --> 00:34:40,206 [zaza]: of a hypeho drag 599 00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:40,160 [julia_rucklidge]: m 600 00:34:40,766 --> 00:34:44,389 [zaza]: and these fads will just come and go you know one day i'll think i'm 601 00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:45,450 [zaza]: allergic to gluten 602 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,624 [julia_rucklidge]: uh 603 00:34:45,991 --> 00:34:47,752 [zaza]: and i'll eliminate all gluten 604 00:34:47,489 --> 00:34:47,670 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 605 00:34:47,792 --> 00:34:48,653 [zaza]: products and then the 606 00:34:48,595 --> 00:34:48,756 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 607 00:34:48,693 --> 00:34:49,554 [zaza]: next day i'm going to be 608 00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:50,160 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 609 00:34:49,594 --> 00:34:50,475 [zaza]: like i'm elergic 610 00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:50,542 [julia_rucklidge]: a 611 00:34:50,575 --> 00:34:50,955 [zaza]: to milk 612 00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:51,772 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 613 00:34:51,706 --> 00:34:52,649 [zaza]: and then i'm going to eliminate 614 00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:52,871 [julia_rucklidge]: i know 615 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:52,971 [zaza]: milk 616 00:34:53,212 --> 00:34:56,927 [julia_rucklidge]: and so the ultra processed food industry loves you 617 00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:59,325 [zaza]: i can imagine that the 618 00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:00,422 [julia_rucklidge]: right it loves 619 00:35:00,411 --> 00:35:00,571 [zaza]: yeah 620 00:35:00,482 --> 00:35:06,872 [julia_rucklidge]: you because you're convinced that oat milk is milk but it's not it's nothing to 621 00:35:06,932 --> 00:35:10,318 [julia_rucklidge]: do with like milk is something that comes out of you know either you breast 622 00:35:10,438 --> 00:35:14,665 [julia_rucklidge]: feed and you get milk that the infant gets or you get it from from 623 00:35:14,846 --> 00:35:18,692 [julia_rucklidge]: a cow or a goat or something like that from their others you don't get 624 00:35:18,772 --> 00:35:20,836 [julia_rucklidge]: it by taking oats and 625 00:35:20,876 --> 00:35:22,616 [zaza]: yeah 626 00:35:21,397 --> 00:35:22,959 [julia_rucklidge]: you know spinning them around in a food 627 00:35:22,796 --> 00:35:23,756 [zaza]: yeah 628 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,384 [julia_rucklidge]: cesar and then it turns into a liquid and that's what you you're 629 00:35:27,057 --> 00:35:27,139 [zaza]: no 630 00:35:27,444 --> 00:35:32,009 [julia_rucklidge]: thinking is a reasonable thing to put in coffee and it probably tastes awful so 631 00:35:31,957 --> 00:35:32,197 [zaza]: yeah 632 00:35:33,961 --> 00:35:38,390 [julia_rucklidge]: but the food industry loves people like you because you then okay you eliminate glut 633 00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:40,574 [julia_rucklidge]: an okay oh my goodness i mean that means you 634 00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:41,846 [zaza]: yeah 635 00:35:40,975 --> 00:35:42,558 [julia_rucklidge]: that you if you if you 636 00:35:42,956 --> 00:35:43,826 [zaza]: yeah 637 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,867 [julia_rucklidge]: take them you go into a supermarket and start you know really indulging in the 638 00:35:47,887 --> 00:35:51,573 [julia_rucklidge]: things that all say gluten free you should turn them around and look at the 639 00:35:51,614 --> 00:35:56,684 [julia_rucklidge]: packages and look at how many things are in there that are made in a 640 00:35:56,905 --> 00:36:02,300 [julia_rucklidge]: factory and things that you would recognize on the backs of that package i'm guessing 641 00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:02,500 [julia_rucklidge]: that 642 00:36:02,705 --> 00:36:02,726 [zaza]: m 643 00:36:02,741 --> 00:36:05,123 [julia_rucklidge]: probably not a lot of things and yet you think you're 644 00:36:05,036 --> 00:36:05,056 [zaza]: m 645 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:10,188 [julia_rucklidge]: doing a good thing by taking gluten out of your diet but maybe it's something 646 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,744 [julia_rucklidge]: i would i mean one thing that some people get feel a little bit better 647 00:36:16,084 --> 00:36:19,607 [julia_rucklidge]: when they take gluten out of their diet is that one of the things that 648 00:36:19,788 --> 00:36:25,321 [julia_rucklidge]: people are suggesting that might be happening for some people people is that they are 649 00:36:25,361 --> 00:36:30,069 [julia_rucklidge]: reacting to the herbacides and the tokens that we put 650 00:36:29,906 --> 00:36:30,593 [zaza]: the pastesides 651 00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:38,102 [julia_rucklidge]: on the pesticides that are put on those those crops and that that's what is 652 00:36:38,243 --> 00:36:41,949 [julia_rucklidge]: irritating your gut lining and causing a problem as 653 00:36:41,996 --> 00:36:42,257 [zaza]: yeah 654 00:36:42,029 --> 00:36:46,176 [julia_rucklidge]: opposed to glutton so it could be glutton but it could be the 655 00:36:46,196 --> 00:36:46,216 [zaza]: m 656 00:36:46,216 --> 00:36:53,528 [julia_rucklidge]: way where it could be the way we we are you know dealing with crops 657 00:36:53,969 --> 00:36:55,612 [julia_rucklidge]: and now growing 658 00:36:55,496 --> 00:36:57,236 [zaza]: oh 659 00:36:55,672 --> 00:37:01,102 [julia_rucklidge]: our crops and we're taking so many short cuts at the moment in our food 660 00:37:01,182 --> 00:37:06,290 [julia_rucklidge]: so if you wanted to go really like if you seriously were celia and you 661 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:10,637 [julia_rucklidge]: couldn't you shouldn't be eating gluten that i would say never eat anything that says 662 00:37:10,677 --> 00:37:15,813 [julia_rucklidge]: that it's glue and free on a packet because they're just there to try to 663 00:37:15,894 --> 00:37:17,697 [julia_rucklidge]: make money out of you so 664 00:37:17,846 --> 00:37:18,028 [zaza]: okay 665 00:37:17,857 --> 00:37:20,802 [julia_rucklidge]: if i was having to go glut and free i wouldn't need bread but why 666 00:37:20,902 --> 00:37:24,448 [julia_rucklidge]: would you eat something that if i throw it at a wall it's like a 667 00:37:24,608 --> 00:37:29,116 [julia_rucklidge]: brick break you know window is that something that you want to eat it tastes 668 00:37:29,276 --> 00:37:30,058 [julia_rucklidge]: awful right 669 00:37:30,406 --> 00:37:32,229 [zaza]: this is amazing advice but 670 00:37:32,247 --> 00:37:32,388 [julia_rucklidge]: so 671 00:37:32,409 --> 00:37:35,154 [zaza]: as you can see this is a good example because i feel like it's a 672 00:37:35,254 --> 00:37:36,255 [zaza]: mind field out there 673 00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:36,894 [julia_rucklidge]: it is 674 00:37:36,736 --> 00:37:37,077 [zaza]: i'm going to 675 00:37:37,116 --> 00:37:37,197 [julia_rucklidge]: and 676 00:37:37,117 --> 00:37:37,237 [zaza]: read 677 00:37:37,278 --> 00:37:37,358 [julia_rucklidge]: so 678 00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:37,878 [zaza]: an article 679 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:37,843 [julia_rucklidge]: i want 680 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,484 [zaza]: that's going to say milk is poisoning poisoning you 681 00:37:41,633 --> 00:37:41,916 [julia_rucklidge]: of course 682 00:37:41,865 --> 00:37:41,965 [zaza]: and 683 00:37:41,957 --> 00:37:42,058 [julia_rucklidge]: you 684 00:37:42,025 --> 00:37:42,165 [zaza]: then 685 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:42,220 [julia_rucklidge]: do 686 00:37:42,326 --> 00:37:44,109 [zaza]: next the next day i'm going to read an article 687 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,265 [julia_rucklidge]: of course you 688 00:37:44,169 --> 00:37:44,449 [zaza]: of milk 689 00:37:44,366 --> 00:37:44,447 [julia_rucklidge]: are 690 00:37:44,509 --> 00:37:47,494 [zaza]: is now poisoning you and then you know on top of that we have these 691 00:37:47,554 --> 00:37:48,816 [zaza]: marketing tricks like 692 00:37:48,721 --> 00:37:48,945 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 693 00:37:48,856 --> 00:37:52,483 [zaza]: i'm going to look at a box of cereo and it's going to say included 694 00:37:52,543 --> 00:37:53,304 [zaza]: vituminzink 695 00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:53,894 [julia_rucklidge]: exactly 696 00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:54,948 [zaza]: added vitam and see 697 00:37:55,271 --> 00:37:55,960 [julia_rucklidge]: absolutely 698 00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:58,580 [zaza]: so i'm just like standing here i'm like what's going on and what 699 00:37:58,567 --> 00:37:58,731 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 700 00:37:58,641 --> 00:37:59,423 [zaza]: should i really do 701 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:05,108 [julia_rucklidge]: exactly so so we i really i really want to keep the simple it is 702 00:38:05,289 --> 00:38:12,421 [julia_rucklidge]: simple it really isn't hard eat what your great grandmother would recognize his food and 703 00:38:12,682 --> 00:38:17,454 [julia_rucklidge]: that should take you a long way so did your great grandmother have those ultra 704 00:38:17,534 --> 00:38:25,552 [julia_rucklidge]: process serial products available no but i might have had eggs and bacon and some 705 00:38:25,672 --> 00:38:32,334 [julia_rucklidge]: real sour dough bread that was you know baked locally at the at your local 706 00:38:32,635 --> 00:38:38,524 [julia_rucklidge]: bakery of meat that would have been grass fed grown in your past years rather 707 00:38:38,565 --> 00:38:44,374 [julia_rucklidge]: than corn fed and in this you these feed lots that we have now so 708 00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:51,706 [julia_rucklidge]: you're if you start if you embrace that concept of eating food that aren't in 709 00:38:51,767 --> 00:38:55,212 [julia_rucklidge]: a packet that aren't in a shiny get that i've got a thousand ingredients on 710 00:38:55,232 --> 00:38:59,279 [julia_rucklidge]: the back things that you know your fruits and vegetables things that you get at 711 00:38:59,299 --> 00:39:06,992 [julia_rucklidge]: your farmers markets our nuts your seeds your real you're healthy fats things like your 712 00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:13,443 [julia_rucklidge]: magayour things that are high and your maga three fade assets like your fish your 713 00:39:13,783 --> 00:39:20,454 [julia_rucklidge]: olive olive oil is your main oil that you would use in cooking simplify it 714 00:39:20,755 --> 00:39:26,324 [julia_rucklidge]: and don't be bought in by someone who wants to make a lot of profit 715 00:39:26,565 --> 00:39:31,272 [julia_rucklidge]: off of selling you something that isn't a real food so if you take that 716 00:39:31,373 --> 00:39:36,241 [julia_rucklidge]: simple advice that it shouldn't be hard that most of us shouldn't have a dairy 717 00:39:36,301 --> 00:39:41,269 [julia_rucklidge]: in tolerance there are some but it may well be that you're reacting to something 718 00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:45,698 [julia_rucklidge]: com pletely different and that you know there are you know there's an advantage to 719 00:39:45,798 --> 00:39:50,387 [julia_rucklidge]: the to the food industry to make you think that you shouldn't eat a real 720 00:39:50,528 --> 00:39:56,020 [julia_rucklidge]: food right let's start you know oatmeal oat milk oh god 721 00:39:55,886 --> 00:39:56,046 [zaza]: oh 722 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,915 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean it's just concept is just unless you honestly have been tested and you 723 00:40:03,076 --> 00:40:04,699 [julia_rucklidge]: have a dairy intolerance 724 00:40:05,825 --> 00:40:05,846 [zaza]: m 725 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:06,301 [julia_rucklidge]: there i mean 726 00:40:06,236 --> 00:40:07,346 [zaza]: oh 727 00:40:06,401 --> 00:40:07,565 [julia_rucklidge]: i would be i bet i'm 728 00:40:07,496 --> 00:40:08,202 [zaza]: oh 729 00:40:07,665 --> 00:40:14,754 [julia_rucklidge]: guessing in germany you may well be able to get real raw milk completely unalterated 730 00:40:14,854 --> 00:40:15,115 [julia_rucklidge]: straight 731 00:40:14,915 --> 00:40:14,936 [zaza]: m 732 00:40:15,155 --> 00:40:18,142 [julia_rucklidge]: from the cow but tested to make sure there's no path agens 733 00:40:17,996 --> 00:40:18,986 [zaza]: yeah 734 00:40:18,804 --> 00:40:20,448 [julia_rucklidge]: that's the way we should be drinking milk 735 00:40:21,416 --> 00:40:25,019 [zaza]: i love how with your blessing now i'm going to be able to dominate my 736 00:40:25,139 --> 00:40:27,341 [zaza]: friends you know with your knowledge all 737 00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:27,561 [julia_rucklidge]: well 738 00:40:27,381 --> 00:40:27,622 [zaza]: of those 739 00:40:27,621 --> 00:40:27,641 [julia_rucklidge]: i 740 00:40:27,662 --> 00:40:27,862 [zaza]: friends 741 00:40:27,681 --> 00:40:27,822 [julia_rucklidge]: would 742 00:40:27,882 --> 00:40:28,062 [zaza]: who are 743 00:40:28,083 --> 00:40:28,344 [julia_rucklidge]: i would 744 00:40:28,202 --> 00:40:31,205 [zaza]: ordering oatmeal capachinos i'm going t be like wait a minute 745 00:40:33,141 --> 00:40:39,867 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah i personally haven't embraced those those what i would 746 00:40:39,758 --> 00:40:39,959 [zaza]: what do 747 00:40:39,927 --> 00:40:40,128 [julia_rucklidge]: call 748 00:40:39,999 --> 00:40:40,240 [zaza]: you think 749 00:40:40,348 --> 00:40:40,828 [julia_rucklidge]: they're not even 750 00:40:40,802 --> 00:40:40,942 [zaza]: yeah 751 00:40:40,908 --> 00:40:41,529 [julia_rucklidge]: milk right 752 00:40:42,667 --> 00:40:48,018 [zaza]: what do you think of this organic bia sticker things you know 753 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:48,071 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 754 00:40:48,399 --> 00:40:48,719 [zaza]: like if 755 00:40:48,774 --> 00:40:48,975 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 756 00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:51,364 [zaza]: i go buy milk should i buy i 757 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:51,440 [julia_rucklidge]: m 758 00:40:51,424 --> 00:40:55,691 [zaza]: mean should i go for the extra option with the organic and buy and pay 759 00:40:55,811 --> 00:40:59,680 [zaza]: more or is the regular store you know bought milk 760 00:40:59,691 --> 00:40:59,872 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 761 00:41:00,162 --> 00:41:00,503 [zaza]: completely 762 00:41:00,355 --> 00:41:00,697 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean that's 763 00:41:00,564 --> 00:41:00,925 [zaza]: sufficient 764 00:41:00,878 --> 00:41:01,019 [julia_rucklidge]: that 765 00:41:00,965 --> 00:41:01,126 [zaza]: because 766 00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:01,160 [julia_rucklidge]: is 767 00:41:01,146 --> 00:41:01,226 [zaza]: you 768 00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:01,502 [julia_rucklidge]: tricky 769 00:41:01,266 --> 00:41:02,632 [zaza]: did mention farmers markets 770 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,649 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah i mean the organic sticker has you know gives you the ability to sell 771 00:41:08,709 --> 00:41:12,956 [julia_rucklidge]: it for a profit right and and really did it cost more to grow it 772 00:41:13,237 --> 00:41:17,905 [julia_rucklidge]: it could it could there's the post believe that but also you know something that 773 00:41:17,945 --> 00:41:18,005 [julia_rucklidge]: we 774 00:41:18,086 --> 00:41:19,016 [zaza]: yeah 775 00:41:18,165 --> 00:41:22,372 [julia_rucklidge]: kind of go i've heard organic is good so i'll pay more for something that 776 00:41:22,412 --> 00:41:27,140 [julia_rucklidge]: says it's organic so there's there's a useful website and it changes every year but 777 00:41:27,481 --> 00:41:37,097 [julia_rucklidge]: it's if you just google um clean the dirty dozen clean fifteen and you'll find 778 00:41:37,517 --> 00:41:43,607 [julia_rucklidge]: the foods that you real should be purchasing as organic because the benefit of organic 779 00:41:43,688 --> 00:41:48,676 [julia_rucklidge]: is that it hasn't been sprayed technically by pest sides and we should be worried 780 00:41:48,696 --> 00:41:52,943 [julia_rucklidge]: about the amount of pestisides that we're eating we're consuming because we do think that 781 00:41:52,963 --> 00:41:56,509 [julia_rucklidge]: they're having an effect and a lot of different ways first of all there are 782 00:41:56,549 --> 00:42:02,439 [julia_rucklidge]: some that are identified carsonagenics carsonagems others are we know they're having an effect on 783 00:42:02,499 --> 00:42:07,247 [julia_rucklidge]: our micro i am so that's your you're lining and it's irritating it and it's 784 00:42:07,347 --> 00:42:11,754 [julia_rucklidge]: inflaming it and it's leading to you know a whole bunch of gastro intestinal symptoms 785 00:42:11,874 --> 00:42:16,803 [julia_rucklidge]: so i b s is on the rise you know irritable alisendrum and so those 786 00:42:16,903 --> 00:42:21,631 [julia_rucklidge]: are things that may well be exascervated by the pesticides that we're using on our 787 00:42:21,711 --> 00:42:24,475 [julia_rucklidge]: food so we need to be mindful of those things and that might be a 788 00:42:24,536 --> 00:42:30,025 [julia_rucklidge]: reason to buy it organic but there some foods that you don't need necessarily need 789 00:42:30,065 --> 00:42:35,975 [julia_rucklidge]: to eat them organic because the amount of residue that's is being identified as being 790 00:42:36,035 --> 00:42:38,599 [julia_rucklidge]: present there is far lower than 791 00:42:38,546 --> 00:42:39,236 [zaza]: yeah 792 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:43,066 [julia_rucklidge]: and other products so that's why i just recommend that you get the most up 793 00:42:43,167 --> 00:42:46,853 [julia_rucklidge]: to date knowledge and go and have a look at the clean the dirty dozen 794 00:42:46,973 --> 00:42:51,581 [julia_rucklidge]: clean fifteen dirty doesn't meaning the vegetables and fruits that you should probably i organic 795 00:42:52,242 --> 00:42:56,248 [julia_rucklidge]: versus the ones that are probably okay for you to eat even regardless of whether 796 00:42:56,289 --> 00:43:01,517 [julia_rucklidge]: or not they've been treated with pestisine so um it's unfortunate that it's so hard 797 00:43:01,617 --> 00:43:07,748 [julia_rucklidge]: to navigate our way through food environment but because there's so so many competing messages 798 00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:08,509 [julia_rucklidge]: as you 799 00:43:08,456 --> 00:43:09,326 [zaza]: yeah 800 00:43:08,609 --> 00:43:12,255 [julia_rucklidge]: say so you know one day they'll tell you don't eat milk or don't drink 801 00:43:12,335 --> 00:43:17,134 [julia_rucklidge]: milk and other days they'll say it's the one of the great foods around so 802 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,261 [julia_rucklidge]: so there's you know 803 00:43:19,237 --> 00:43:19,379 [zaza]: yeah 804 00:43:19,342 --> 00:43:21,906 [julia_rucklidge]: and the you know some people say don't eat meat and others will say you 805 00:43:22,026 --> 00:43:26,413 [julia_rucklidge]: absolutely and all of these different messages and we also have to acknowledge that we 806 00:43:26,554 --> 00:43:32,584 [julia_rucklidge]: are all different you know we're all individual people and some of us do react 807 00:43:32,664 --> 00:43:36,871 [julia_rucklidge]: to certain things as a consequence of of our history and other people can get 808 00:43:36,951 --> 00:43:42,099 [julia_rucklidge]: away with eating foods that don't seem to irritate them but i think if you 809 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,709 [julia_rucklidge]: start with the principle of just eating real food you might find that anything that's 810 00:43:47,729 --> 00:43:54,120 [julia_rucklidge]: been causing you problems will disappear so that really is the first step just eat 811 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:01,231 [julia_rucklidge]: real food and um and then if that's still not helping that's when you might 812 00:44:01,291 --> 00:44:07,641 [julia_rucklidge]: decide let me start eliminating certain things from my diet like luton or like dairy 813 00:44:07,821 --> 00:44:13,567 [julia_rucklidge]: but start with the eating real food first principle and as hopefully you know what 814 00:44:13,607 --> 00:44:14,849 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean by real food 815 00:44:16,948 --> 00:44:17,569 [zaza]: by now i think 816 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:18,180 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 817 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:18,250 [zaza]: i got it 818 00:44:18,381 --> 00:44:18,582 [julia_rucklidge]: okay 819 00:44:18,431 --> 00:44:22,758 [zaza]: but unfortunately i think most of us go the opposite way you know we read 820 00:44:22,818 --> 00:44:24,120 [zaza]: an article and then we just 821 00:44:24,151 --> 00:44:24,232 [julia_rucklidge]: no 822 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,264 [zaza]: eliminate a random thing instead 823 00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:26,134 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 824 00:44:26,344 --> 00:44:27,345 [zaza]: of just reset 825 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,602 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 826 00:44:28,408 --> 00:44:33,499 [zaza]: but this is this is great this is fantastic advice um now we talked about 827 00:44:33,539 --> 00:44:36,945 [zaza]: this already a little bit but during your talk you quoted somebody 828 00:44:36,991 --> 00:44:37,012 [julia_rucklidge]: m 829 00:44:37,025 --> 00:44:40,731 [zaza]: i think when you said there is no such thing as cheap food the price 830 00:44:40,902 --> 00:44:41,182 [julia_rucklidge]: michael 831 00:44:40,911 --> 00:44:42,033 [zaza]: is paid somewhere 832 00:44:41,864 --> 00:44:43,008 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah michael pollen 833 00:44:42,754 --> 00:44:46,799 [zaza]: so is it reasonable to say then that or do you do you do your 834 00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:53,997 [zaza]: studies support the hypothesis that this kind of crappy process food is actually a cause 835 00:44:54,998 --> 00:44:58,722 [zaza]: um or one of the causes of the development of mental illnesses 836 00:44:59,261 --> 00:44:59,463 [julia_rucklidge]: right 837 00:44:59,483 --> 00:45:00,484 [zaza]: in general or 838 00:45:00,542 --> 00:45:00,724 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 839 00:45:00,584 --> 00:45:01,525 [zaza]: is it just worsening 840 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,330 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 841 00:45:02,506 --> 00:45:03,679 [zaza]: illnesses that are already there 842 00:45:05,191 --> 00:45:10,460 [julia_rucklidge]: i think it is deferently a culprit it's not as i said earlier it's not 843 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:16,149 [julia_rucklidge]: the only culprit but it's one that we've ignored and so we have you know 844 00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:20,817 [julia_rucklidge]: a way a luxury of being able to say oh my goodness the food environment 845 00:45:20,837 --> 00:45:24,543 [julia_rucklidge]: is clearly playing a role we should we should really start here because we would 846 00:45:24,604 --> 00:45:30,233 [julia_rucklidge]: make such a big difference at a population level if we stopped eating ultra processed 847 00:45:30,533 --> 00:45:36,063 [julia_rucklidge]: products or limited them as a treat as something that you ate on occasion and 848 00:45:36,123 --> 00:45:39,829 [julia_rucklidge]: it didn't matter that it had no nutrients in it it just tasted really good 849 00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:43,856 [julia_rucklidge]: and that we should still be allowed to indulge in something like that but you 850 00:45:43,936 --> 00:45:45,719 [julia_rucklidge]: shouldn't be eating that as your main meal 851 00:45:45,866 --> 00:45:45,886 [zaza]: m 852 00:45:46,580 --> 00:45:51,268 [julia_rucklidge]: so that's the problem is that we went from a place of something being good 853 00:45:51,428 --> 00:45:55,335 [julia_rucklidge]: for you know fine if you had it on an occasional once in a while 854 00:45:55,526 --> 00:45:56,186 [zaza]: oh 855 00:45:55,816 --> 00:46:00,463 [julia_rucklidge]: to it being what you eat three times a day so and just you know 856 00:46:00,664 --> 00:46:07,635 [julia_rucklidge]: and so that's that's what's happened unfortunately we've been over indulged in foods so i 857 00:46:07,695 --> 00:46:11,161 [julia_rucklidge]: don't think there's i don't think we need to do any more research to make 858 00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:18,133 [julia_rucklidge]: a point that our food environment is a miss match with with human around what 859 00:46:18,173 --> 00:46:22,460 [julia_rucklidge]: they need so you can look at it from a physical health perspective that there's 860 00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:29,572 [julia_rucklidge]: all so much research that's showing that our this food environment is really massively contributing 861 00:46:29,632 --> 00:46:37,826 [julia_rucklidge]: to the obesity fcapdemic diabetes cardiovascular risk and all we're doing is putting the brain 862 00:46:37,906 --> 00:46:45,318 [julia_rucklidge]: in there as well and that shouldn't surprising because the brain is the hungriest organ 863 00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:52,009 [julia_rucklidge]: so when you eat you are predominantly feeding your brain so think about it that 864 00:46:52,049 --> 00:46:56,477 [julia_rucklidge]: way that every time you're putting something in your mouth you're making a choice to 865 00:46:56,597 --> 00:47:01,946 [julia_rucklidge]: offer your brain something nourishing or nutrient depleted offering your brain what it needs to 866 00:47:02,046 --> 00:47:07,020 [julia_rucklidge]: function for you to be able to sleep well um manage your day well not 867 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:13,603 [julia_rucklidge]: get distracted that your mood is stable it's not all over the place you're not 868 00:47:13,663 --> 00:47:18,033 [julia_rucklidge]: erratic and irritable your food is going to be able to help you with all 869 00:47:18,093 --> 00:47:24,604 [julia_rucklidge]: of those symptoms so you should really be thinking about food first and and that 870 00:47:25,025 --> 00:47:31,516 [julia_rucklidge]: yes it's absolutely ntributing to our health issues and its it surprises me that governments 871 00:47:31,596 --> 00:47:38,447 [julia_rucklidge]: haven't kind of gone we should really take this seriously because we are paying for 872 00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:42,814 [julia_rucklidge]: it in our tax dollars so when you know when even if you think about 873 00:47:42,854 --> 00:47:49,004 [julia_rucklidge]: it from a covid perspective the last two years who were the people who were 874 00:47:49,746 --> 00:47:56,096 [julia_rucklidge]: who ere most likely to end up in hospital why was this convernationation never had 875 00:47:56,777 --> 00:48:03,489 [julia_rucklidge]: it was people with co occurring co morbid problems it was people who had underlying 876 00:48:03,629 --> 00:48:10,180 [julia_rucklidge]: health issues and what with those underlying health issues they were lifestyle related right to 877 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,669 [julia_rucklidge]: do with your life to either being sedentary not exercising and not eating eating real 878 00:48:15,909 --> 00:48:21,338 [julia_rucklidge]: whole foods so we could have had a huge impact on the number of people 879 00:48:21,418 --> 00:48:25,986 [julia_rucklidge]: who are hosts al ized simply by addressing lifestell issues it's not to say that 880 00:48:26,006 --> 00:48:30,874 [julia_rucklidge]: the vaccine didn't play a role and that wasn't important but we could have tackled 881 00:48:30,934 --> 00:48:36,444 [julia_rucklidge]: this from so many directions but for whatever reason as a society we decided 882 00:48:36,086 --> 00:48:36,414 [zaza]: oh 883 00:48:36,544 --> 00:48:42,253 [julia_rucklidge]: to just jump on one intervention and not embrace other things and i don't know 884 00:48:42,293 --> 00:48:48,050 [julia_rucklidge]: if it's because we didn't want to confuse the public um m we didn't want 885 00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:53,275 [julia_rucklidge]: people to be you know selling snake oil or whatever i mean i don't know 886 00:48:53,335 --> 00:48:57,138 [julia_rucklidge]: what happened but i found it a really sad time in our history to see 887 00:48:57,218 --> 00:48:58,851 [julia_rucklidge]: that there was no 888 00:48:59,066 --> 00:48:59,269 [zaza]: yah 889 00:48:59,372 --> 00:49:05,128 [julia_rucklidge]: discussion of the life still factors that were contributing to the severity of your illness 890 00:49:05,810 --> 00:49:07,980 [julia_rucklidge]: it's a bit of a worry that's 891 00:49:07,886 --> 00:49:09,446 [zaza]: oh 892 00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,444 [julia_rucklidge]: where we are again history in history 893 00:49:10,616 --> 00:49:10,857 [zaza]: oh 894 00:49:10,945 --> 00:49:12,368 [julia_rucklidge]: maybe in a hundred years we 895 00:49:12,288 --> 00:49:12,348 [zaza]: ay 896 00:49:12,869 --> 00:49:12,969 [julia_rucklidge]: are 897 00:49:13,796 --> 00:49:14,726 [zaza]: oh 898 00:49:13,991 --> 00:49:17,657 [julia_rucklidge]: future generations will look but look back at us hopefully and go what the hell 899 00:49:17,697 --> 00:49:19,792 [julia_rucklidge]: is wrong with them i can 900 00:49:19,699 --> 00:49:19,961 [zaza]: fingers 901 00:49:19,852 --> 00:49:19,993 [julia_rucklidge]: only 902 00:49:20,041 --> 00:49:20,302 [zaza]: crossed 903 00:49:20,074 --> 00:49:24,847 [julia_rucklidge]: hope yeah because we really have messed up in a lot of ways 904 00:49:26,257 --> 00:49:26,517 [zaza]: here's 905 00:49:26,274 --> 00:49:26,416 [julia_rucklidge]: so 906 00:49:26,577 --> 00:49:31,925 [zaza]: a bit of a tricky question since the results of your studies are so promising 907 00:49:32,746 --> 00:49:38,462 [zaza]: did you perhaps receive any sort of push back from conventional medicine that relies heavily 908 00:49:38,583 --> 00:49:38,984 [zaza]: on drugs 909 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,086 [julia_rucklidge]: of course i have oodness of course 910 00:49:43,055 --> 00:49:43,076 [zaza]: m 911 00:49:43,386 --> 00:49:48,455 [julia_rucklidge]: yes i've had it's been a constant battle every step of the way so if 912 00:49:48,495 --> 00:49:52,862 [julia_rucklidge]: you look at my tadxtok you may or me i've noticed that there's a flag 913 00:49:53,002 --> 00:49:58,231 [julia_rucklidge]: on there that says don't watch this and she's spoken outside of curatorial guydlines because 914 00:49:58,271 --> 00:50:03,640 [julia_rucklidge]: she simplifies legitimate studies well who hell else has got a flag on there head 915 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:09,129 [julia_rucklidge]: talk that says you know she you know this person has simplified legitimate studies i 916 00:50:09,149 --> 00:50:13,456 [julia_rucklidge]: mean that was after a big battle because they they had said before that there 917 00:50:13,476 --> 00:50:16,421 [julia_rucklidge]: was no evidence there was another flag on there i had to fight to get 918 00:50:16,481 --> 00:50:21,450 [julia_rucklidge]: it taken down and changed and that was the wording that they would agree to 919 00:50:22,571 --> 00:50:25,897 [julia_rucklidge]: but they wouldn't take the flag down and that was you can just google that 920 00:50:25,977 --> 00:50:29,743 [julia_rucklidge]: and just have a look at you know julia tex flag and you'll see a 921 00:50:29,783 --> 00:50:35,653 [julia_rucklidge]: whole bunch of controversy on that issue so um it upsets me that it's on 922 00:50:35,713 --> 00:50:40,623 [julia_rucklidge]: my on my tetaxstalk that there's this flag that says that um but at the 923 00:50:40,683 --> 00:50:44,252 [julia_rucklidge]: same time you're kind of like well whatever i mean who doesn't simplify in an 924 00:50:44,312 --> 00:50:50,465 [julia_rucklidge]: eighteen minute talk so you know it's not the end of the world any more 925 00:50:50,525 --> 00:50:54,933 [julia_rucklidge]: but it was really upsetting when that happened so that's just one example very public 926 00:50:55,033 --> 00:51:01,483 [julia_rucklidge]: example of where i've been you know where they're trying to discredit me so that's 927 00:51:01,544 --> 00:51:06,131 [julia_rucklidge]: a way of discrediting you but i've had over and over and it's difficult to 928 00:51:06,211 --> 00:51:11,961 [julia_rucklidge]: publish this studies it's been difficult to get the studies through ethics i've had people 929 00:51:12,281 --> 00:51:13,724 [julia_rucklidge]: challenge me on my conflicts 930 00:51:13,346 --> 00:51:13,366 [zaza]: m 931 00:51:13,784 --> 00:51:18,612 [julia_rucklidge]: of interest i get no money from the companies that make the products that i've 932 00:51:18,732 --> 00:51:23,921 [julia_rucklidge]: studied and yet people don't believe that a kind of like she must be making 933 00:51:24,001 --> 00:51:27,946 [julia_rucklidge]: money out of this i'm like no i am not i mean we now now 934 00:51:27,966 --> 00:51:31,511 [julia_rucklidge]: that i've written a book you know you can get book royalty is it's not 935 00:51:32,533 --> 00:51:38,563 [julia_rucklidge]: massive amount money but you could say i get royalties now and that could be 936 00:51:38,944 --> 00:51:44,413 [julia_rucklidge]: deemed as a conflict of interest around selling books but at the same time some 937 00:51:44,433 --> 00:51:49,842 [julia_rucklidge]: of that money goes back into research so you know it's it's hard to hard 938 00:51:49,882 --> 00:51:54,610 [julia_rucklidge]: to get grants to do this research and so that's a way of over sing 939 00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:58,977 [julia_rucklidge]: money but you know i'm squeaky clean when it comes to 940 00:51:59,546 --> 00:52:00,476 [zaza]: yeah 941 00:51:59,698 --> 00:52:05,568 [julia_rucklidge]: those conflicts that drug companies you know people who have studied who published about drugs 942 00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:10,336 [julia_rucklidge]: they have complex of interest in the sense that they've been funded by the drug 943 00:52:10,396 --> 00:52:15,405 [julia_rucklidge]: companies that make the drugs that they're studying that has not happened here and that's 944 00:52:15,985 --> 00:52:22,476 [julia_rucklidge]: really really hard for people i believe that i really don't make money out of 945 00:52:22,516 --> 00:52:27,825 [julia_rucklidge]: the sale of the products that we studied we publish the studies as they are 946 00:52:28,546 --> 00:52:34,077 [julia_rucklidge]: they're always messy it's never like a completely clean you know in every measure that 947 00:52:34,137 --> 00:52:39,687 [julia_rucklidge]: we used there was benefit of the micronutrianc over placebo we tell you the whole 948 00:52:39,808 --> 00:52:45,296 [julia_rucklidge]: story um around some things there were no group differences and those are put in 949 00:52:45,357 --> 00:52:48,902 [julia_rucklidge]: you can just go and look at the the original studies and you will see 950 00:52:48,963 --> 00:52:49,083 [julia_rucklidge]: that 951 00:52:49,046 --> 00:52:49,169 [zaza]: ye 952 00:52:49,103 --> 00:52:55,694 [julia_rucklidge]: that's what we've done so hard to believe in but you know i have a 953 00:52:55,734 --> 00:52:59,720 [julia_rucklidge]: good job i don't need you know i don't need to be selling supplements on 954 00:52:59,761 --> 00:53:00,261 [julia_rucklidge]: the side 955 00:53:00,116 --> 00:53:00,136 [zaza]: m 956 00:53:01,523 --> 00:53:02,325 [julia_rucklidge]: you know a university 957 00:53:01,976 --> 00:53:02,666 [zaza]: yeah 958 00:53:02,405 --> 00:53:05,410 [julia_rucklidge]: professor is reasonably paid in new zealand and 959 00:53:05,546 --> 00:53:06,386 [zaza]: yeah 960 00:53:05,570 --> 00:53:08,375 [julia_rucklidge]: so there's no need for me to be making any more money i mean i 961 00:53:08,475 --> 00:53:10,098 [julia_rucklidge]: just but but then i 962 00:53:10,136 --> 00:53:11,306 [zaza]: yeah 963 00:53:10,158 --> 00:53:14,064 [julia_rucklidge]: don't want to really feed into this capitalism that you know that we all 964 00:53:14,486 --> 00:53:14,506 [zaza]: m 965 00:53:14,525 --> 00:53:22,114 [julia_rucklidge]: and materialism that sadly is enough i think plague of our current environment so 966 00:53:22,076 --> 00:53:26,303 [zaza]: i mean it will be extremely amusing since you're advocating for us to eat real 967 00:53:26,443 --> 00:53:31,973 [zaza]: food that your quote unquote sponsors were real food i mean doesn't make 968 00:53:31,945 --> 00:53:32,107 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 969 00:53:31,993 --> 00:53:32,494 [zaza]: a lot of sense 970 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,647 [julia_rucklidge]: well some people do actually get sponsors to be surprised from you know the beef 971 00:53:37,556 --> 00:53:37,859 [zaza]: oh 972 00:53:37,748 --> 00:53:39,490 [julia_rucklidge]: industry or the lamb industry 973 00:53:39,196 --> 00:53:39,438 [zaza]: okay 974 00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:43,297 [julia_rucklidge]: of the dairy industry so you could get funding from those companies as well i 975 00:53:43,357 --> 00:53:48,326 [julia_rucklidge]: mean everyone makes money so our needs you know can make profit so there are 976 00:53:48,446 --> 00:53:52,835 [julia_rucklidge]: there are some people who will be their work will be funded by by industry 977 00:53:52,915 --> 00:53:53,516 [julia_rucklidge]: in some way but 978 00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:53,960 [zaza]: m 979 00:53:54,037 --> 00:53:55,920 [julia_rucklidge]: my work isn't it means 980 00:53:55,788 --> 00:53:55,908 [zaza]: yeah 981 00:53:55,940 --> 00:53:56,020 [julia_rucklidge]: that 982 00:53:55,969 --> 00:53:56,169 [zaza]: i mean 983 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,666 [julia_rucklidge]: it's harder to do because you don't have as much luxury of funding but it 984 00:53:59,686 --> 00:54:00,127 [julia_rucklidge]: just means that 985 00:54:00,056 --> 00:54:00,217 [zaza]: yeah 986 00:54:00,167 --> 00:54:02,732 [julia_rucklidge]: it's been it's been fun to be creative 987 00:54:02,546 --> 00:54:03,566 [zaza]: yeah 988 00:54:02,912 --> 00:54:03,994 [julia_rucklidge]: and find out and figure 989 00:54:04,046 --> 00:54:05,126 [zaza]: yeah 990 00:54:04,054 --> 00:54:06,297 [julia_rucklidge]: out ways of running studies without a lot 991 00:54:06,218 --> 00:54:06,279 [zaza]: to 992 00:54:06,338 --> 00:54:10,205 [julia_rucklidge]: of money and you can it's not it isn't 993 00:54:10,016 --> 00:54:10,826 [zaza]: oh 994 00:54:10,466 --> 00:54:15,958 [julia_rucklidge]: necessarily a problem to run a study without a lot of money 995 00:54:17,356 --> 00:54:23,261 [zaza]: yeah and also you didn't advocate for us to adopt a carnivore diet or something 996 00:54:23,422 --> 00:54:26,445 [zaza]: just you know eat beef or something you just said eat real food 997 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,601 [julia_rucklidge]: eat real food 998 00:54:27,626 --> 00:54:27,647 [zaza]: a 999 00:54:27,701 --> 00:54:27,781 [julia_rucklidge]: and 1000 00:54:27,727 --> 00:54:28,270 [zaza]: variety 1001 00:54:27,821 --> 00:54:29,624 [julia_rucklidge]: that can include though mate and 1002 00:54:29,777 --> 00:54:29,817 [zaza]: of 1003 00:54:29,845 --> 00:54:30,005 [julia_rucklidge]: so 1004 00:54:29,878 --> 00:54:30,101 [zaza]: course 1005 00:54:30,506 --> 00:54:38,379 [julia_rucklidge]: i'm not i worry about currently that we are going down this rout of what's 1006 00:54:38,459 --> 00:54:44,052 [julia_rucklidge]: called plant based but but if you were if you go and look at the 1007 00:54:44,112 --> 00:54:53,760 [julia_rucklidge]: ingredients of an impossible burgher you tell me how many ingredients are listed there so 1008 00:54:54,381 --> 00:54:58,167 [julia_rucklidge]: and then start to ask the question that i asked you before are these a 1009 00:54:58,227 --> 00:55:01,453 [julia_rucklidge]: whole bunch of things that are made in a lab do we really want to 1010 00:55:01,493 --> 00:55:07,411 [julia_rucklidge]: go down that route of that we are entirely dependent on eating things that have 1011 00:55:07,431 --> 00:55:08,276 [julia_rucklidge]: been made in a low 1012 00:55:10,826 --> 00:55:11,028 [zaza]: oh 1013 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,024 [julia_rucklidge]: think about it so we need to really be careful about 1014 00:55:13,886 --> 00:55:14,636 [zaza]: oh 1015 00:55:14,104 --> 00:55:15,567 [julia_rucklidge]: what's happening right now which is 1016 00:55:16,316 --> 00:55:17,336 [zaza]: oh 1017 00:55:16,769 --> 00:55:27,026 [julia_rucklidge]: under the guise of climate change and supporting reduction of carbon emissions there's profit 1018 00:55:27,356 --> 00:55:27,376 [zaza]: m 1019 00:55:27,427 --> 00:55:29,874 [julia_rucklidge]: always to be made be careful 1020 00:55:29,877 --> 00:55:31,226 [zaza]: hm m so 1021 00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:31,290 [julia_rucklidge]: and 1022 00:55:31,347 --> 00:55:31,427 [zaza]: you 1023 00:55:31,371 --> 00:55:31,451 [julia_rucklidge]: so 1024 00:55:31,467 --> 00:55:31,687 [zaza]: wouldn't 1025 00:55:31,612 --> 00:55:31,914 [julia_rucklidge]: a little 1026 00:55:31,728 --> 00:55:31,988 [zaza]: say that 1027 00:55:31,934 --> 00:55:32,014 [julia_rucklidge]: bit 1028 00:55:32,048 --> 00:55:32,209 [zaza]: we're 1029 00:55:32,055 --> 00:55:32,296 [julia_rucklidge]: of meat 1030 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:37,569 [zaza]: eating that are our current diet is too rich with meat and they were eating 1031 00:55:37,630 --> 00:55:39,092 [zaza]: too much of this store 1032 00:55:38,882 --> 00:55:39,102 [julia_rucklidge]: i mean 1033 00:55:39,172 --> 00:55:39,994 [zaza]: bought cheap meat 1034 00:55:41,927 --> 00:55:45,673 [julia_rucklidge]: i personally only eat you know i make an effort to make sure that 1035 00:55:45,596 --> 00:55:46,406 [zaza]: oh 1036 00:55:45,713 --> 00:55:50,201 [julia_rucklidge]: if i'm eating meat then it's grass fed meat and it's ethically grown that's important 1037 00:55:50,401 --> 00:55:57,513 [julia_rucklidge]: is that you're treating the animals with great care um so that that's something that 1038 00:55:57,713 --> 00:56:01,860 [julia_rucklidge]: i would consider but that i'm not i certainly wouldn't say well don't don't eat 1039 00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:05,626 [julia_rucklidge]: meat and just eat plants because the way we've been treating the animals because we 1040 00:56:05,666 --> 00:56:09,533 [julia_rucklidge]: can change the way we treat our animals that can be that's something that's addressable 1041 00:56:09,713 --> 00:56:12,077 [julia_rucklidge]: it's not something that we just kind of go well then just stop eating meat 1042 00:56:12,999 --> 00:56:15,735 [julia_rucklidge]: the research i was said a little bit of meat seemed to be good for 1043 00:56:15,816 --> 00:56:20,114 [julia_rucklidge]: us there are some people who seem to be able to get away without eating 1044 00:56:20,154 --> 00:56:25,223 [julia_rucklidge]: meat like you know but you know they're healthy vegetarians and vegans and that i 1045 00:56:25,283 --> 00:56:31,273 [julia_rucklidge]: would say fantastic great but so many people have met our ill as a consequence 1046 00:56:31,333 --> 00:56:35,680 [julia_rucklidge]: of eliminating meat and fish from the from their diet and dairy so you know 1047 00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:42,692 [julia_rucklidge]: that all of these things that we have evolved to use and to consume and 1048 00:56:43,073 --> 00:56:48,241 [julia_rucklidge]: it's some of the nutrients that are available in those products you can't get them 1049 00:56:48,281 --> 00:56:52,809 [julia_rucklidge]: out of a vegan vegetarian diet so you have to supplement and so again i 1050 00:56:52,889 --> 00:56:57,917 [julia_rucklidge]: would be kind of questioning a diet where a corner stone of it is that 1051 00:56:57,957 --> 00:57:02,265 [julia_rucklidge]: you must supplement with b twelve for example because you can't get that out of 1052 00:57:02,325 --> 00:57:06,620 [julia_rucklidge]: a vegan diet so again you kind of have to you have to start looking 1053 00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:11,956 [julia_rucklidge]: at this and go is that logical to embrace a diet where i have to 1054 00:57:12,036 --> 00:57:16,724 [julia_rucklidge]: take a supplement in the morning in order for me to have the full array 1055 00:57:16,784 --> 00:57:22,554 [julia_rucklidge]: of nutrients that my body needs every and it's kind of nonsense it's absurd i 1056 00:57:22,594 --> 00:57:25,659 [julia_rucklidge]: know that there'll probably be vegans of vegetarians listening to you who will probably be 1057 00:57:25,699 --> 00:57:28,844 [julia_rucklidge]: very angry with what i have to say about that but i just think we 1058 00:57:28,904 --> 00:57:35,220 [julia_rucklidge]: need to be careful about just going to these extra ms of the limination of 1059 00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:41,530 [julia_rucklidge]: things that we know contain a really nutrient rich and contain nutrients that you can't 1060 00:57:41,751 --> 00:57:45,858 [julia_rucklidge]: get out of some of these other restrictive diets it's not that you should be 1061 00:57:45,938 --> 00:57:51,267 [julia_rucklidge]: eating you now car or is an ex as another extreme and there are people 1062 00:57:51,367 --> 00:57:57,156 [julia_rucklidge]: who i've approached me untandi've talked to who are you would say they embraced the 1063 00:57:57,197 --> 00:58:01,724 [julia_rucklidge]: carnivore diet and they feel great and i would be again going great that's fantastic 1064 00:58:01,764 --> 00:58:06,712 [julia_rucklidge]: but i don't think that's necessary for everyone so i think moderation in general is 1065 00:58:06,793 --> 00:58:10,118 [julia_rucklidge]: a good principle to go with and eating some meat 1066 00:58:11,486 --> 00:58:11,747 [zaza]: oh 1067 00:58:11,622 --> 00:58:18,098 [julia_rucklidge]: lots of plants so you know lots of those healthy fats things that our ancestors 1068 00:58:18,258 --> 00:58:20,361 [julia_rucklidge]: ate i think it's a really good place to start with 1069 00:58:20,816 --> 00:58:21,320 [zaza]: ye 1070 00:58:21,022 --> 00:58:23,246 [julia_rucklidge]: um and you know again like 1071 00:58:23,156 --> 00:58:23,481 [zaza]: yeah 1072 00:58:23,346 --> 00:58:28,335 [julia_rucklidge]: even with the omega three son and getting an adequate amount of make threes out 1073 00:58:28,355 --> 00:58:31,580 [julia_rucklidge]: of your diet it is very hard to get d and e p a out 1074 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:38,051 [julia_rucklidge]: of a fully vegetarian being a diet without supplementing so whereas you can get d 1075 00:58:38,532 --> 00:58:45,696 [julia_rucklidge]: and e p out of you know omnevor diet through eating consumption of fish for 1076 00:58:45,736 --> 00:58:46,798 [julia_rucklidge]: the most part so 1077 00:58:50,478 --> 00:58:56,869 [zaza]: understood really quickly time is running out i just have this one question actually two 1078 00:58:57,089 --> 00:59:02,238 [zaza]: but we're gonna go quick number one in the world of popular nutrition these days 1079 00:59:02,739 --> 00:59:07,447 [zaza]: the thing that everybody is talking about like all the time on all podcasts and 1080 00:59:07,987 --> 00:59:11,814 [zaza]: all articles mentioned it is fasting or intermittent fasting 1081 00:59:12,284 --> 00:59:12,445 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 1082 00:59:13,180 --> 00:59:13,869 [zaza]: what do you think of that 1083 00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:22,752 [julia_rucklidge]: m um i have delved into that to see what has been done with in 1084 00:59:23,313 --> 00:59:26,338 [julia_rucklidge]: the mental health arena because there's a lot of people who will say there's a 1085 00:59:26,378 --> 00:59:31,467 [julia_rucklidge]: lot of physical bet fits from following the fasting intermit doing intermit and fasting but 1086 00:59:32,208 --> 00:59:34,752 [julia_rucklidge]: i try to sort of at least stay a little bit in my line which 1087 00:59:34,792 --> 00:59:40,362 [julia_rucklidge]: is that i'm a psychologist and i know so studying a physical is something that's 1088 00:59:40,402 --> 00:59:44,609 [julia_rucklidge]: outside if i was teased outside of my expert so i've heard about the physical 1089 00:59:44,669 --> 00:59:49,337 [julia_rucklidge]: benefits but i haven't seen anything that has really looked at those mental health benefits 1090 00:59:49,357 --> 00:59:54,105 [julia_rucklidge]: you hear about it anecdotally that people feel like just they report feeling better and 1091 00:59:54,205 --> 01:00:02,218 [julia_rucklidge]: mentally better or the thinking is clearer so i've heard those types of anecdotal stories 1092 01:00:02,278 --> 01:00:07,607 [julia_rucklidge]: but i haven't seen studies that have really directly used the intermittent fasting principles and 1093 01:00:07,647 --> 01:00:11,033 [julia_rucklidge]: applied it to try to help with somebody with a mental health issue i would 1094 01:00:11,133 --> 01:00:11,293 [julia_rucklidge]: say 1095 01:00:11,516 --> 01:00:11,536 [zaza]: m 1096 01:00:12,335 --> 01:00:17,203 [julia_rucklidge]: from a mental health issue perspective let's really to the basic which is eat real 1097 01:00:17,383 --> 01:00:21,791 [julia_rucklidge]: food when you start to make it complicated it's hard to follow so if you're 1098 01:00:21,851 --> 01:00:25,898 [julia_rucklidge]: taking someone who's really mentally unwell and not only are you saying you learn how 1099 01:00:25,958 --> 01:00:29,704 [julia_rucklidge]: to cook that's what you have to do when you eat real food and you 1100 01:00:29,744 --> 01:00:32,989 [julia_rucklidge]: know you really have to go back to again some of the concepts that our 1101 01:00:33,110 --> 01:00:37,577 [julia_rucklidge]: ancestors knew about that that we've forgotten and lost in this current generation and then 1102 01:00:37,637 --> 01:00:42,245 [julia_rucklidge]: on top of that your between the window in which people can eat or you're 1103 01:00:42,325 --> 01:00:47,053 [julia_rucklidge]: suggesting that you shouldn't eat for certain parts of the day or reduce your caloric 1104 01:00:47,153 --> 01:00:50,539 [julia_rucklidge]: and taken that you're getting all focused on calories and all of that i just 1105 01:00:50,579 --> 01:00:54,265 [julia_rucklidge]: think that's me life a little bit too complicated when it comes to mental health 1106 01:00:54,285 --> 01:00:58,452 [julia_rucklidge]: and i don't think that's necessary so unless there's a study that comes out that 1107 01:00:58,532 --> 01:01:01,978 [julia_rucklidge]: says this is really the curl for mental health problems is to 1108 01:01:02,036 --> 01:01:02,756 [zaza]: oh 1109 01:01:02,398 --> 01:01:07,286 [julia_rucklidge]: is to follow these intermittent fasting principles i'm going to just at this stage just 1110 01:01:07,406 --> 01:01:09,489 [julia_rucklidge]: stick with stick with saying eat real food 1111 01:01:10,539 --> 01:01:11,936 [zaza]: yeah 1112 01:01:10,841 --> 01:01:13,194 [julia_rucklidge]: and you can eat it at you know you should you should be 1113 01:01:13,226 --> 01:01:13,467 [zaza]: oh 1114 01:01:13,234 --> 01:01:17,444 [julia_rucklidge]: sleeping properly and getting eight hours of sleep so you'll have your fast 1115 01:01:17,467 --> 01:01:17,548 [zaza]: ah 1116 01:01:17,545 --> 01:01:18,007 [julia_rucklidge]: at that point 1117 01:01:19,416 --> 01:01:23,862 [zaza]: dr ruklege we're at the end which means i have to ask you something trashy 1118 01:01:23,962 --> 01:01:25,143 [zaza]: before you go since this is 1119 01:01:25,181 --> 01:01:25,302 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 1120 01:01:25,243 --> 01:01:25,764 [zaza]: our trash 1121 01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:26,172 [julia_rucklidge]: yeh 1122 01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:31,000 [zaza]: let's say you've had a couple of drinks with your friends it was a pleasant 1123 01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:36,230 [zaza]: evening and now you're walking home and there's this horrible realization that your froide is 1124 01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:41,699 [zaza]: completely empty and there's nothing to eat back home however there's many take away options 1125 01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:42,921 [zaza]: along the way 1126 01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:43,683 [julia_rucklidge]: yes 1127 01:01:43,602 --> 01:01:44,684 [zaza]: this is not an andorsement 1128 01:01:44,531 --> 01:01:44,715 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 1129 01:01:44,844 --> 01:01:48,130 [zaza]: obviously but which suboptimal fast food me 1130 01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:48,611 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah 1131 01:01:48,751 --> 01:01:52,301 [zaza]: are you going to get without feeling completely guilty the next day 1132 01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:55,795 [julia_rucklidge]: well i don't think guilt should be part of 1133 01:01:57,072 --> 01:01:57,476 [zaza]: that's a good 1134 01:01:57,337 --> 01:01:57,638 [julia_rucklidge]: eating 1135 01:01:57,496 --> 01:01:57,698 [zaza]: start 1136 01:01:58,359 --> 01:01:59,481 [julia_rucklidge]: yeah and 1137 01:01:59,996 --> 01:02:01,226 [zaza]: yeah 1138 01:02:00,062 --> 01:02:04,089 [julia_rucklidge]: if i indulged because of the circumstances because there's no other 1139 01:02:04,106 --> 01:02:04,766 [zaza]: yeah 1140 01:02:04,209 --> 01:02:10,259 [julia_rucklidge]: food bailable and i have to i accept that i eat so well most of 1141 01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:16,049 [julia_rucklidge]: the time that it doesn't matter that i have eaten something that is not going 1142 01:02:16,089 --> 01:02:20,356 [julia_rucklidge]: to be it for my brain at that point in time so i don't think 1143 01:02:20,616 --> 01:02:25,384 [julia_rucklidge]: there's a you need to feel guilty about it if most of the time you're 1144 01:02:25,464 --> 01:02:30,032 [julia_rucklidge]: eating really well and that's what i said before is then enjoy indulge enjoy it 1145 01:02:31,254 --> 01:02:36,703 [julia_rucklidge]: as long as you're you're generally feeding your brain well it can it can tolerate 1146 01:02:37,244 --> 01:02:44,380 [julia_rucklidge]: an occasional time where you may not feed at something that is that nourishing but 1147 01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:44,680 [julia_rucklidge]: it just 1148 01:02:44,666 --> 01:02:44,887 [zaza]: yeah 1149 01:02:44,741 --> 01:02:48,968 [julia_rucklidge]: means that most of the time you need to be mindful of what your your 1150 01:02:49,028 --> 01:02:54,417 [julia_rucklidge]: fedia brain and then under those circumstances that you describe where my fridge is empty 1151 01:02:54,537 --> 01:02:59,888 [julia_rucklidge]: which would be unusual but no no food in there but if that were the 1152 01:02:59,948 --> 01:03:07,525 [julia_rucklidge]: circumstances then you know that's you have to go with sometimes happen to compromise on 1153 01:03:07,906 --> 01:03:12,337 [julia_rucklidge]: on things and as long as you've been generally pretty good i think it's absolutely 1154 01:03:12,398 --> 01:03:12,658 [julia_rucklidge]: fine 1155 01:03:14,396 --> 01:03:18,261 [zaza]: dr ruggledge this was unbelievably informative and there i say hopeful 1156 01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:18,136 [julia_rucklidge]: oh 1157 01:03:19,622 --> 01:03:21,805 [zaza]: where can people get your book the better brain 1158 01:03:22,441 --> 01:03:27,148 [julia_rucklidge]: well i mean it is available in europe it's published under penguin random house so 1159 01:03:28,531 --> 01:03:32,017 [julia_rucklidge]: so if you google the better brain in my name you would definitely find it 1160 01:03:32,678 --> 01:03:36,865 [julia_rucklidge]: i've done i've all since that tex talk i've done there's a lot of talk 1161 01:03:37,045 --> 01:03:42,414 [julia_rucklidge]: on line that i've done a lot i don't try to you i think this 1162 01:03:42,494 --> 01:03:47,603 [julia_rucklidge]: kind of information should be freely available i don't personal don't charge people to hear 1163 01:03:47,643 --> 01:03:48,023 [julia_rucklidge]: what i have 1164 01:03:47,936 --> 01:03:48,039 [zaza]: ye 1165 01:03:48,063 --> 01:03:51,790 [julia_rucklidge]: to say you can get the book out of the library i really don't care 1166 01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:52,491 [julia_rucklidge]: if you purchase 1167 01:03:52,387 --> 01:03:52,610 [zaza]: yeah 1168 01:03:52,571 --> 01:03:57,499 [julia_rucklidge]: it or not borrow it from a friend as long as you get the information 1169 01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:02,107 [julia_rucklidge]: also done a free online course so that if you really wanted to delve into 1170 01:04:02,147 --> 01:04:05,032 [julia_rucklidge]: this and you could go into the t x platform which is t x e 1171 01:04:05,132 --> 01:04:09,739 [julia_rucklidge]: d x and you just look for the mental health nutrition in my name again 1172 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,820 [julia_rucklidge]: julia there's no one else out there with my name which is useful and so 1173 01:04:14,441 --> 01:04:17,887 [julia_rucklidge]: they can you could find that if you really wanted to do a full six 1174 01:04:18,068 --> 01:04:21,914 [julia_rucklidge]: module of course if you wanted to you can pay a little bit of money 1175 01:04:21,994 --> 01:04:22,695 [julia_rucklidge]: to edicts and 1176 01:04:22,766 --> 01:04:23,606 [zaza]: yeah 1177 01:04:23,076 --> 01:04:27,323 [julia_rucklidge]: get a certificate but you don't need to you can get all the information without 1178 01:04:27,383 --> 01:04:31,710 [julia_rucklidge]: having to pay so it's entirely free to people to do to learn and educate 1179 01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:36,558 [julia_rucklidge]: and learn about something that we've just forgotten that i just want to put it 1180 01:04:36,578 --> 01:04:37,199 [julia_rucklidge]: back on the table 1181 01:04:38,928 --> 01:04:42,475 [zaza]: this was amazing again thank you so much for taking the time and i hope 1182 01:04:42,716 --> 01:04:46,524 [zaza]: we had have the chance to do this again in the future thank 1183 01:04:46,522 --> 01:04:46,827 [julia_rucklidge]: welcome 1184 01:04:46,564 --> 01:04:46,664 [zaza]: you 1185 01:04:50,165 --> 01:04:50,686 [zaza]: m m