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Bonus Episode: Talent vs. Craft, Meatloaf, and Another Look at Nookie · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one episode
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Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into
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Speaker 1: the dirt. On this episode, we are talking about Sonny Rollins,
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Speaker 1: some of the most talented musicians alive, Tom Petty, somewhere
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Speaker 1: you feel free and of course your voicemails, texts, dms
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Speaker 1: and more and as always, a whole lot of roast.
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Speaker 1: All right, Discos, let's get it to Hey, let's go
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Speaker 1: Disco's it Sonny Rowlins week here in Disgraceland, Sonny Rollins
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Speaker 1: was a badass in the purest sense of the word.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about all the bad things
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Speaker 1: Sonny Rollins got up to pickpocketing, heroin, couple stints, and
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Speaker 1: rikers Island, all things you can hear about in the
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Speaker 1: full episode of Sonny that we just released, but more
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Speaker 1: specifically talking about in his dedication to his craft. At
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Speaker 1: the height of his fame, when he'd already made it,
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine, Downbeat magazine, the authority on jazz music,
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Speaker 1: ranked Sonny Rollins as the number one jazz saxophonist in
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Speaker 1: the world. It's a big deal. When that happened, Sonny disappeared,
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Speaker 1: and he just dropped out of the scene. No one
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Speaker 1: knew where he went largely, and he went to practice,
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Speaker 1: disappeared to go practice. Okay, let me say that again.
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Speaker 1: After conquering his field, after ascending at least critically higher
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Speaker 1: than Miles Davis John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins decided it was
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Speaker 1: time to stop performing and to start practicing. So for
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Speaker 1: two years, Sonny Rollands squirrelled himself away and dedicated himself
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Speaker 1: to becoming even better than he was before, better than
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Speaker 1: everyone in his field already knew that he was. And
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Speaker 1: this was because, I mean not only because of the
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Speaker 1: highly competitive world of jazz music, but Sonny Rowlands just
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Speaker 1: he knew how good his contemporaries were, specifically the aforementioned
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Speaker 1: Miles Davis and John Coltrane. But they're wildly inventive playing
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Speaker 1: these albums there they had or were making or were
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Speaker 1: about to make kind of blue giant steps, respectively, just
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Speaker 1: phenomenal records. So Sonny Rowlands is like, I'm out, I
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Speaker 1: gotta do better. I'm gonna go. I know, I can
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Speaker 1: basically play what I want, do whatever I want creatively,
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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go just not do any of that,
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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to practice constantly for two years.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's weird, but it's compelling the
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Speaker 1: idea of walking away from the stage at the peaky
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Speaker 1: your popularity and your acceptance as a performative practice to
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Speaker 1: get better. There's something about it that's maniacal that I love.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the rest of the
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Speaker 1: story here. You're you have to check out the episode
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Speaker 1: if you have not already to find out what happens.
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Speaker 1: But I am going to use this as a jumping
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Speaker 1: off point to talk about talent and craft in music
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Speaker 1: and to get to a very stupid but fun question
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Speaker 1: for us to answer. So I was watching the bo
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Speaker 1: Jackson thirty for thirty episode with my youngest son last night,
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Speaker 1: and you know, Bo Jackson, that's talent. Bo Jackson had
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Speaker 1: raw athletic talent that no athlete probably in modern history
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Speaker 1: ever displayed up until that point. The things Bo Jackson
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Speaker 1: could do were just otherworldly, both on and off the baseball.
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Speaker 1: In football fields, he could donk at twelve years old.
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Speaker 1: Supposedly he could hurdle volkswagons like literally just jump over
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Speaker 1: the top of a car. He could do all kinds
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Speaker 1: of crazy shit. Okay, that's just raw talent. And then
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Speaker 1: there's craft. Blues musician Robert Johnson, like Bo Jackson, had talent,
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Speaker 1: not as much, but he was talented. And then supposedly
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Speaker 1: the devil taught Robert Johnson his craft. The story goes
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Speaker 1: as you know, that Robert Johnson went away interned at
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Speaker 1: the Crossroads or whatever, learned his craft in the Delta,
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Speaker 1: and re emerged on the blues party scenes sounding like
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Speaker 1: he was playing three guitars at once, And that, of
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Speaker 1: course makes for a nice story, but it isn't likely true.
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Speaker 1: What is more accurate is that Robert Johnson played that
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Speaker 1: guitar of his night and day, stopping only to slip
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Speaker 1: into bed with different women in every town. But I digress.
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Speaker 1: It was the repetitive, constant attention to playing to his
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Speaker 1: craft that made his guitar a new physical appendance to arm,
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Speaker 1: something as familiar to him physically as a limb. That's
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Speaker 1: what made him so damn good. The playing no disrespect
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Speaker 1: to Satan's powers, But I believe it was Robert Johnson's
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Speaker 1: attention to his craft actually that made him so great,
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Speaker 1: not some mythical foust bargain, so talent and craft, which
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Speaker 1: is more important when it comes to music. Sonny Rowlins
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Speaker 1: obviously doubled down on craft, but to what end. If
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Speaker 1: you ask the average person who Sonny Rollins was, I
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Speaker 1: doubt they'd know. Not that that really matters, but most
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Speaker 1: people don't know who Sam Fuller was, and that doesn't
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Speaker 1: make him any less of a great director who Raymond
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Speaker 1: Chandler was, And likewise Chandler is still one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest authors of the twentieth century. But still, if you're
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Speaker 1: going to dedicate nearly every moment of your life to
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Speaker 1: your craft, and you would hope that it would result
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Speaker 1: in some real recognition, do something for twenty minutes every day.
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Speaker 1: It'll be better than ninety percent of the people in
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Speaker 1: the world at that thing. I don't know if that's true,
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Speaker 1: but I believe it, and I preach it to my kids.
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Speaker 1: My sons, and we practice that too. My youngest hits
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Speaker 1: baseballs for at least twenty minutes every day, my oldest
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Speaker 1: reads and draws. Sonny Rawlins practice saxophone on the Brooklyn
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Speaker 1: Bridge every day, not just for twenty minutes, for hours,
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Speaker 1: And surely that made him one of the greats at
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Speaker 1: his craft. But what did Prince do to practice? Or
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Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra or Stevie Wonder or Paul McCartney or Brian Wilson,
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Speaker 1: What if anything, does Taylor Swift do to practice? Or
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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga or Dave Grohl. These are some of the
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Speaker 1: biggest entertainers in the history of modern pop music. How
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Speaker 1: much of their success was due to talent and how
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Speaker 1: much was due to craft? I remember reading that Frank
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Speaker 1: Sinatra would swim to prepare for recording sessions, and that
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Speaker 1: while swimming laps, he would hold his breath for long
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Speaker 1: stretches at a time, and he'd think about the phrases
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Speaker 1: that he would later sing in the studio. And this,
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Speaker 1: of course resulted in Frank's unique phrasing, those long phrases
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Speaker 1: that go uninterrupted by the singer's need to breathe, those
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Speaker 1: phrases that sound so fluid and so smooth and so
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Speaker 1: unique to Frank, It's hard to imagine Prince or Stevie
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Speaker 1: Wonder or Paul McCartney, or even Brian Wilson practicing. Sure,
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Speaker 1: I can see them recording, I can see them composing, writing,
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Speaker 1: sitting around putting songs together, but practicing practice. Quote iverson,
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Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia would sit in front of the television for hours.
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Speaker 1: Jerry Garcia from The Grateful DA would sit in front
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Speaker 1: of his television for hours at a time and just
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Speaker 1: run scales on his guitar, just constantly, just over just
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Speaker 1: watching TV, but aimlessly physically, just practicing, just moving those hands,
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Speaker 1: doing those scales, those bluegrass scales from when he was
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Speaker 1: a kid. He did this right up until the end.
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Speaker 1: He never stopped practicing. I'm sure that for Taylor Swift,
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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, Dave Grohl, modern performers, performers who are out
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Speaker 1: there on the road for the most part, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that for them, practice is just built into their daily routines.
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Speaker 1: In his secondary, while they're on the road sound checking,
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Speaker 1: you're playing with your band. When you're sound checking, you're
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Speaker 1: warming up your voice, you're rehearsing the band. They're dancers.
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Speaker 1: That's all preparation. It's not necessarily practice. It's hard to
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Speaker 1: imagine Taylor Swift or Dave Grohl practicing every day with
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Speaker 1: their instruments in the manner that Sonny Rowlins did. But
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Speaker 1: the point I'm getting to is it doesn't matter really.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned Lady Gaga and Frank Sinatra purposefully amongst Prince
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Speaker 1: and Stevie and Brian Wilson. That's because Gaga and Frank
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Speaker 1: are more in the bo Jackson mode. They play, or
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Speaker 1: in Frank's case, played on two different fields, both in
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Speaker 1: music and on screen, and are insanely talented in both cases.
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Speaker 1: Watch Gaga on A Star Is Born and tell me
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Speaker 1: you're not down to watch her and anything else she
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Speaker 1: appears in From Here to Eternity. And speaking of From
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Speaker 1: Here to Eternity, the film that is Sinatra is maji
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Speaker 1: character proves that he's nearly as talented an actor as
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Speaker 1: he is a singer, and that is saying a lot,
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Speaker 1: because Sinatra's likely the greatest pop singer of all time.
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Speaker 1: But here's what I'm getting at. Here's the stupid question
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Speaker 1: whether it was craft that got them there or raw
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Speaker 1: god given skills. Which musician is the greatest of all time?
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Speaker 1: Is it? Prince? I remember I remember thinking this when
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Speaker 1: Prince died, I was like, Wow, did we just lose Jordan?
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Speaker 1: Was he the best ever? He could play nearly everything,
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Speaker 1: he could write, he could sing, he could produce. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't act. But I'm just talking about musicianship amongst
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Speaker 1: pop stars. Put the acting aside, and then look at
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Speaker 1: the results. Look at the hits, the albums, look at
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Speaker 1: the cultural impact the guy has had. Stevie Wonder everything
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Speaker 1: I just said about Prince I can say about Stevie too,
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Speaker 1: pretty much. Maybe not as culturally impactful. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he is. I'm younger. It's hard to know, is it.
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Speaker 1: Dave Grol You're shaking your head now when you think
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Speaker 1: about Dave Grohl compared to Prince, And I guarantee you
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Speaker 1: Dave Grohl would be shaking his head if he knew
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Speaker 1: he was being compared to Prince as well. But dude
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Speaker 1: played drums in Nirvana and now he fronts the food Fighters.
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Speaker 1: And go ahead and check the stats on the Food
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Speaker 1: Fighters in terms of albums sold and successful singles, and
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Speaker 1: even that aside. Just you know, drive down the road,
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Speaker 1: turn the radio on. It's like listen to a food
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Speaker 1: Fighters song. It's just great. It's incredible. It's still incredible.
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Speaker 1: It's been incredible our whole adult my whole adult life.
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Speaker 1: It's still incredible. Brian Wilson from The Beach Boys is it?
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift? Her talent is massive, it's undeniable. And when
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Speaker 1: it comes to cultural impact, there isn't anyone I've mentioned
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Speaker 1: so far who can compare. What about Paul McCartney. He
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Speaker 1: wrote teeny bopper hits that made the world burst at
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Speaker 1: the seams and excitement over his cute looks, and then
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Speaker 1: he wrote fucking eleanor Rigby not to mention everything on
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Speaker 1: ram basically in his garage, and he's still going into
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Speaker 1: the eighties. The dude isn't a musician. He's an alien.
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Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six sixty six three eight.
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Speaker 1: Who is the greatest musician of all time? I know
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Speaker 1: it's a dumb question, but that's what makes it fun.
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Speaker 1: Who is the greatest? You can pick one the greatest
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Speaker 1: I want to know who you think, I want to
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Speaker 2: There for a bit, so I thought that was kind
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Speaker 2: enjoy the stories all right later.
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Speaker 1: Dude, amazing story. Your paternal grandmother sounds like a smart
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Speaker 1: the call, man, appreciate it. Let's check in with Curtis.
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Curtis. Thanks for the kind words. I had
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Speaker 6: Hey, this is Matthew from the seven seven oh and
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Speaker 2: Give it a try.
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Speaker 6: Thanks for everything you do.
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Speaker 2: Bye.
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Speaker 1: All right, Matthew and the rest of the guys and
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Speaker 1: Your bosses are treating you right. Thanks for listening. Thanks
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Speaker 1: was sad when Meatloaf died. He was a part of
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Speaker 1: my youth. Those songs were everywhere, even though they were
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Speaker 1: old when I was young, they were still everywhere. They're
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Speaker 1: love the messages, guys. Put the call it a couple
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Speaker 1: I don't know, all right. Two eight one has an
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Speaker 1: interesting take, Okay.
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Speaker 4: Jacob Disgracelant's renee back out Houston saw this post on
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Speaker 4: the Old Graham that let's talk about like how rockers
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Speaker 4: back in the eighties looked like middle age men and
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Speaker 4: how it was like much better. I don't know what
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Speaker 4: this could be a subject matter for you at all,
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Speaker 4: but I just found the hysterical. They made Trie columns,
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Speaker 4: and I started thinking about like huel Lewising the news,
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Speaker 4: the cars, and I guess first brings me kind of
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Speaker 4: fits in there. But it's kind of funny how like
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Speaker 4: the look has changed a lot. You know, it used
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Speaker 4: to be all these sometimes middle age, rocking looking dudes
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Speaker 4: who look kind of like they could still work as
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Speaker 4: a mechanic or something, as opposed to like today where
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Speaker 4: a lot of these guys just look like young kids. Anyways,
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Speaker 4: just late night thoughts man, love the show, dudes, listen
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Speaker 4: Don't want to get your logo tattooed on me.
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Speaker 1: You have a going man, bye, brother, I hear you.
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Speaker 1: This is something that I didn't know was real, or
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Speaker 1: if it was my perception, this idea that men today
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Speaker 1: look like babies compared to men from decades past. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's funny to think about in terms of pop stars.
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Speaker 1: Young Bruce Springsteen at twenty eight looks like he could
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Speaker 1: be twenty eight year old Justin Bieber's dad. But here's
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Speaker 1: the reason why this isn't my idea. Someone said this
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Speaker 1: to me. Actually, it wasn't that long ago, a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I heard this thing where you
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Speaker 1: turn into a man the moment you become fully responsible
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Speaker 1: for yourself. So, in other words, you're no longer in
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Speaker 1: college or whatever you or maybe you are in college,
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Speaker 1: but you're just fully responsible for yourself. In college, your
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Speaker 1: parents have no claim over you. They're not helping you out,
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Speaker 1: you have nothing to fall back on, and something clicks
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Speaker 1: in your face apparently where you just adopt this look
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Speaker 1: that is just more grown up. It's an attitude, it's
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Speaker 1: an expression. It's a physicality that comes with the mental
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Speaker 1: part of it behind the scenes. And if you think
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Speaker 1: about if you think about generation's past, and you think
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Speaker 1: about what kids at eighteen did. I've been talking about
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Speaker 1: the World War two generation. You see those pictures, and
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Speaker 1: I look at pictures of my grandfather when he was
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Speaker 1: just graduated high school, and he's a full grown man,
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Speaker 1: and compared to kids now who are twenty eight, twenty nine,
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Speaker 1: thirty years old, it's they look like children. I used
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Speaker 1: to think it was my perception. The older I got,
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Speaker 1: the harder it was to see younger people as being older.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that's it. I think there's something
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Speaker 1: to do with you know, previous generations you had to
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Speaker 1: become more responsible for yourself earlier than you do nowadays.
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Speaker 1: And I think that has everything to do with it,
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Speaker 1: or something to do with it, not everything. Anyways, That's
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Speaker 1: my half assed take on that subject, all right. Thanks
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Speaker 1: to the voicemails. Keep them coming, guys, six one seven,
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Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: read some texts. I'm gonna read some dms. Alrighty. So
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Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago we released this episode on New Order.
19:46
Speaker 1: I think in one of the after parties, I said
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Speaker 1: Joy Division and people are like, where's the Joy Division episode?
19:52
Speaker 1: There isn't one. It's a New Order episode. I made
19:54
Speaker 1: a mistake. But we did post a question what were
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Speaker 1: the top post punk bands England that came after nineteen eighty?
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Speaker 1: Got a lot of incoming on this this one from
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Speaker 1: the six to one nine just right to the point,
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Speaker 1: Smith's Cured, Depeche Mode, Oasis, Joy Division, question Mark, all Time, Timeless,
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Speaker 1: Holy Trinity of Music, though Miles Monk and Train Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Tough to argue with either of those lists on the
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Speaker 1: same subject. To two five six rights in top English
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Speaker 1: bands of the nineties, number two, Blur number one, Bush
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Speaker 1: two words fuck Oasis. I don't know, dude, you're putting
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Speaker 1: Bush over Oasis. I cannot get with that. Let's see
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Speaker 1: what else we got, all right. Sharon from the nine
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Speaker 1: oh five Rights in Hey Jake loved the podcast. It
20:39
Speaker 1: was a little before my time, but I was in
20:40
Speaker 1: a conversation with a bunch of people about seventies music.
20:43
Speaker 1: In the chat turned to David Cassidy and the Partridge
20:45
Speaker 1: Family in the Dark years before he died. I think
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Speaker 1: it would be an interesting episode. That is interesting. I
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Speaker 1: don't know anything about that, but I will check that out.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even realize David Cassidy was dead. That's kind
20:56
Speaker 1: of ridiculous. I should know that. The five to four
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Speaker 1: to one Rights in Hey love hearing the show three
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Speaker 1: times a week. Best music movie is high Fidelity. That's
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Speaker 1: a great choice, she says. The Lollapaluza I saw in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four Gorge Ampitheater, Washington was Green Day, Breeders,
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Speaker 1: l Seven, Nick Cave Tribe, p Funk Piects, Smashing Pumpkins.
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Speaker 1: I saw that one too. Yes, nineteen ninety four is
21:19
Speaker 1: a great year for music, but not the best seventy one,
21:22
Speaker 1: seventy seven, eighty four to ninety one, get my vote. Wow,
21:24
Speaker 1: I need more on that. I need more on that.
21:27
Speaker 1: Why those years? And since you asked, I'm Tom. I'm
21:29
Speaker 1: a seed farmer in southern Oregon. I mostly like punk
21:32
Speaker 1: and metal and I listened to the podcast and music
21:34
Speaker 1: while in the field Peace. That is awesome to know.
21:38
Speaker 1: I love the idea that there's a seed farmer out
21:40
Speaker 1: there with Disgraceland in his ears. So cool. Five seven
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Speaker 1: ozer right saying, Hey, Jake, this is Mark from the
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Speaker 1: five to seven Oh. I was listening to the episode
21:50
Speaker 1: on Who's coud You and he talked about violent fems.
21:52
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you ever heard of the band called Flipper.
21:54
Speaker 1: I have not really criminal, but a strange band that
21:57
Speaker 1: got little played just because they couldn't play anyway. Please
21:59
Speaker 1: keep up the great content on your shows. And thanks
22:01
Speaker 1: for making me laugh out loud a lot. You got it.
22:04
Speaker 1: Five seven h thanks for saying I'm funny. I don't
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Speaker 1: think of myself as funny, but I dig it. Here
22:09
Speaker 1: we go, let's see what do we got. This one
22:12
Speaker 1: is from the three one two. Hey Jake, Sarah from
22:15
Speaker 1: the three one two and nine two oh, since I
22:17
Speaker 1: used to live in Chicago but moved back to Green Bay.
22:20
Speaker 1: I know I'm late to the party, but I have
22:21
Speaker 1: a fun sort of meet your hero story. My friends
22:23
Speaker 1: and I were at Summerfest in Milwaukee, which is a
22:26
Speaker 1: huge music festival, just in case he didn't know, and
22:29
Speaker 1: Ringo Starr was one of the headliners, and my friends
22:31
Speaker 1: and I were about three rows back from the front.
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Speaker 1: My one friend shouted a Ringo that we loved him,
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Speaker 1: and I kid you not. He looked directly at us
22:37
Speaker 1: and said he loved us too. We thought that was
22:39
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Anyway, love love, love the shows you make
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Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Keep doing what you're doing in RockA Rollo,
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Speaker 1: you got it? Three one two, That's awesome, God, Ringo Star.
22:50
Speaker 1: Can't imagine meeting a Beatle next level I've met. I
22:55
Speaker 1: have friends who have met Paul McCartney, one friend who
22:58
Speaker 1: met Paul, another friend who met Ringo once in a
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Speaker 1: wicked different situation, didn't actually meet him, but was in
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Speaker 1: the same room with him at this thing. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what I do. I think it would be different
23:11
Speaker 1: than meeting a stone a rolling stone, because though I
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Speaker 1: probably like the Rolling Stones more than I like the Beatles.
23:18
Speaker 1: The Beatles are just bigger, more impactful, and culturally just
23:24
Speaker 1: I don't even know. There's some sort of something extra there. Wow,
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Speaker 1: how in articulate was that I'm recording this first thing
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Speaker 1: in the morning. Can you tell hey, Jake it's Anthony
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Speaker 1: for the seven two four. I know he's sent you
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Speaker 1: an email about me. Well, hey Anthony, and some other
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Speaker 1: stuff this week after the pre episode. But listen to
23:42
Speaker 1: your other stuff today. I generally listen on fridays at work.
23:45
Speaker 1: Do an insurance accounting. Yes, it is that dry, I
23:48
Speaker 1: can binge it. Anthony goes out to say you asked
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Speaker 1: in disgrace, saying about top five post punk bands. Here's mine,
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Speaker 1: depeche Mode, in chot Boys, Oasis and Radiohead, and I
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Speaker 1: currently really like Bastile Bastile. All Right, there you go,
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Speaker 1: thanks Anthony. All Right the four oh one introducing herself here,
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Speaker 1: she says, I'm a hair stylist in Rhode Island. I
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Speaker 1: listened to all your podcasts on my commute to and
24:17
Speaker 1: from work. I'm all about the brit bands. The Smiths
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Speaker 1: and depeche Mode are my favorites from the eighties, although
24:23
Speaker 1: Depeche Mode were still making great music in the early nineties.
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Speaker 1: That's for damn sure. They sure were. A younger me
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Speaker 1: was obsessed with Duran Durant as well. I was in
24:31
Speaker 1: a Duran Durant too, as a young child, wouldn't say
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Speaker 1: I was obsessed.
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Speaker 6: Though.
24:34
Speaker 1: My nineties picks would be Pulp and London Swede Stone
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Speaker 1: Roses would be a close second. Too many great brit
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Speaker 1: bands in the nineties to choose from. I would also
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Speaker 1: love some of these bands as subjects for your podcast.
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Speaker 1: Keep up the good work, Amy from the four oh
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Speaker 1: one Amy, I gotta find a band that's gonna allow
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Speaker 1: me to dig deeper into the Manchester scene of the
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Speaker 1: late eighties and nineties. That's on my agenda here. Hey
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Speaker 1: Jake Sandy from the six to two oh listening to
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Speaker 1: the After Party and you just talked about TCM, which
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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite channels, texted you about a
25:05
Speaker 1: Starsborn remakes and that same night the Barbara Streisand version
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Speaker 1: was on. I saw it too, Sandy, Sandy, I saw too.
25:15
Speaker 1: God damn it. I even talked about it. It's a
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Speaker 1: huge slice of evergreen cheese and ranks number three on
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Speaker 1: my list. Number one is Lady Gagat Number two is
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Speaker 1: Judy Garland. Have a great one, you too, Sandy, Thanks
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Speaker 1: for that. Uh okay. So apparently I asked what wrap
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Speaker 1: it up meant relative to the fabulous Thunderbirds. I know
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Speaker 1: that's a fabulous Thunderbird song. I guess I just didn't
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Speaker 1: make the connection. So all of you who texted in
25:42
Speaker 1: about that, I got the message. All right, let's do
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Speaker 1: one more here, nine one seven, Hey, Jake Deacon here
25:49
Speaker 1: from LA I would love an episode on, in my opinion,
25:52
Speaker 1: the greatest live band of all time, Fishbone and how
25:55
Speaker 1: they tried to break a band member out of a
25:57
Speaker 1: cult and ended up in court for assault. Angelo Moore
26:01
Speaker 1: is the most amazing front man I've ever seen, and
26:03
Speaker 1: recently I had a dream come true when he joined
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Speaker 1: my band Sailor Ripley on stage to play saxophone on
26:08
Speaker 1: a song I wrote. Unbelievable. Keep doing what you're doing, man,
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Speaker 1: rock a ROLLA hard to argue Deacon with that statement
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Speaker 1: that Fishbone is the greatest live band ever. I've seen
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Speaker 1: them as well and fucking incredible. Also, why is Truth
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Speaker 1: and Soul the Fishbone album so hard to find? What's
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Speaker 1: up with that. Yeah, they're on the list. They've been
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Speaker 1: on the list, and I'm sure we'll get into it
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Speaker 1: at some point. I see all your texts here, guys,
26:35
Speaker 1: I will get into them. I love it. Yeah, lots
26:38
Speaker 1: of Waylon Jennings. It's apparent to me that Waylon Jennings
26:40
Speaker 1: episode has to happen. We will get to that, all right.
26:44
Speaker 1: Let me do you some dms here as well. Let's see, Hey, Jake,
26:48
Speaker 1: greetings from the four to four UK plus four to
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Speaker 1: four UK, and I say it. Top two bands of
26:54
Speaker 1: the eighties, the Cure and Wham. Top two bands of
26:57
Speaker 1: the nineties, Blur and Pulp. A little bit about me
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Speaker 1: and my name's Kat. I'm thirty nine. I'm self employed
27:02
Speaker 1: and do classic car in marine upholstery as I work alone.
27:06
Speaker 1: I love listening to your podcast and recently started listening
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Speaker 1: to some other murder mystery shows. I listened to all
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Speaker 1: sorts of music lately. I seem to be stuck in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, but I'm cool with that. I'm cool
27:17
Speaker 1: with that too. Bringing it back to your after party
27:20
Speaker 1: about what music you seem to listen to the most.
27:22
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work with your team. Cat PS
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Speaker 1: here's a pick of my own car that I finished
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Speaker 1: earlier this year. Kat looks like doing some great work
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Speaker 1: over there. Good job, Kat, thanks for reaching out. What
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Speaker 1: else we got here? This one from Crystal Green says
27:39
Speaker 1: I recently went to the Netherlands for a huge techno
27:41
Speaker 1: music festival, which was a dream come true for me.
27:43
Speaker 1: While we were in Amsterdam, we went to a museum
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Speaker 1: called Our House. Our House is a history of dance
27:47
Speaker 1: music museum. It's fully immersive experience goes throughout the music
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Speaker 1: and culture from the beginning to now, shows all the
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Speaker 1: equipment instruments. I highly suggest that if any of your
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Speaker 1: listeners are at Amsterdam they check it out. All right,
27:58
Speaker 1: you got that discos. If you're in a NAMSA, go
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Speaker 1: check out this museum called our House. Crystal goes on
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Speaker 1: to say sorry for such a long message. Shit man,
28:07
Speaker 1: I love what I love and I enjoy talking about it.
28:09
Speaker 1: Keep it up, seriously, love, love, love everything you guys
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Speaker 1: put out, Peace, love, respect and techno. Xoxo Crystal. We
28:16
Speaker 1: all love what we love and you don't have to
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Speaker 1: apologize for loving it. That's what we're here for, all right, guys,
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Speaker 1: text me call me six one seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: six sixty three eight tell me what you Love at
28:26
Speaker 1: disgracelam pod as well on Twitter and Instagram. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: take a quick break. I'll be back in the flash
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Speaker 1: with some recommendations, all right, the recommendations part. This is
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Speaker 1: the recommendation's part, the part where we recommend the things
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Speaker 1: that need recommending, The recommendations part. What I've been listening to.
28:55
Speaker 1: So Fiddler, who we talked about a couple episodes ago.
29:00
Speaker 1: They have a new single out and it's a new
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Speaker 1: single of an old song. It's a song by a
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Speaker 1: band called Limp Biscuit. You may have heard of this before.
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Speaker 1: The song is called NOOKI. The song is awful, and
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Speaker 1: Fiddler is not awful. They're fantastic and their cover of
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Speaker 1: this song is a pretty honest goodness stab At doing
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Speaker 1: this song justice and it's fucking glorious. It actually made
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Speaker 1: me consider, you know. I was like, wow, is that
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Speaker 1: that is the original? Actually really good? And I just
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Speaker 1: hated Fred Durst so much that I couldn't let myself
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Speaker 1: like it. There's something about Fiddler doing this song that
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Speaker 1: gives you permission to like it again or for the
29:44
Speaker 1: first time. I should say so I highly recommend checking
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Speaker 1: this out. If you need a little shot of some
29:53
Speaker 1: It's okay to listen to this nineties cheese vibe Fiddler Nookie.
29:57
Speaker 1: You can get that wherever. Also, I don't know where
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Speaker 1: I saw it, just popped up. I was it might
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Speaker 1: have been Instagram. I saw Queens of the Stone Age
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Speaker 1: Joshua May on the Juwis Holland show, I forget what
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Speaker 1: the name of it is, the one where theyre all
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Speaker 1: playing the round, and it was this great queen song
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Speaker 1: that I love Make It with You and PJ. Harvey
30:20
Speaker 1: was singing the duet part with him, and it just
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Speaker 1: was so fucking cool and just one of those moments
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Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, yeah, did you just put two
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Speaker 1: of the coolest people in the world on microphones next
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Speaker 1: to each other? And it's gonna be interesting. And it
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Speaker 1: just got me thinking, like, God, when else has that happened?
30:40
Speaker 1: And I immediately thought of stop dragging my heart around
30:43
Speaker 1: the Tom Petty Stevie Nicks thing. But there's so many
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Speaker 1: great duets and this is a good one to dig into.
30:50
Speaker 1: And also there's more. There's more duets with just men
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Speaker 1: that are that I than I remember that are that
30:55
Speaker 1: are great, in particular Easy Lover talked about that before,
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Speaker 1: Philip Bailey, Phil Collins, The song is fucking on Fuego
31:03
Speaker 1: never gets old to me, Don't Go Break in My
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Speaker 1: Heart Elton John and Keiky d. The Girl is Mine
31:10
Speaker 1: by Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. Say Say Say, also
31:13
Speaker 1: by Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. You know where I'm
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Speaker 1: going with this? Who?
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Speaker 5: What? What?
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Speaker 1: Are the best duets in pop music? Though it's a
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Speaker 1: lot in country, but I'm here for the country once too,
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Speaker 1: Kenny and Dolly, But give me the pop music once,
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Speaker 1: Jay Z and Alicia Keys, John Travolta, Olivia Newton John
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Speaker 1: best Duet six one seven nine oh six six six
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Speaker 1: three eight. Also what I've been listening to a friend
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Speaker 1: of mine, my friend Hugo, my fishing buddy. He sent
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Speaker 1: me this copy of never Mind the Bullocks vinyl copy
31:47
Speaker 1: I never Mind the Bullocks by the Sex Pistols, And
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about this record. It's
31:52
Speaker 1: it's red vinyl. It's one of only a thousand press
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Speaker 1: so that was very cool, Thank you, Hugo. But it's's
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Speaker 1: incredible and it's not one of these remastered, you know,
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Speaker 1: on thicker vinyl. I don't know, maybe maybe just one
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Speaker 1: of these things where this record in particular, this slab
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Speaker 1: of vinyl in particular, just sounds fucking bananas on my
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Speaker 1: turntable with the needle I have and the receiver I have,
32:19
Speaker 1: and just something about it. It's like Wow, just jumps
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Speaker 1: out of the speakers, and I go back to this
32:26
Speaker 1: record at least once a year. I cannot believe how
32:29
Speaker 1: good it is. And in particular, I'm always, always, always
32:32
Speaker 1: blown away by John Maiden's vocals. Guy might be the
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Speaker 1: greatest rock and roll singer of all time.
32:38
Speaker 6: Just great.
32:40
Speaker 1: He's got one actually no, he's got two, two gears,
32:43
Speaker 1: but he knows how to drive with them. Man, fucking awesome.
32:46
Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta last week, down there doing some
32:50
Speaker 1: Dead content with my boy Payne Lindsay from Up and
32:53
Speaker 1: Vanished and listening to a lot of Dead. I'm always
32:56
Speaker 1: going back to Cornell seventy seven. You know, we've had
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Speaker 1: this commentation. Not in the after party, I don't think.
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Speaker 1: I think just on Instagram, you can listen to one
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Speaker 1: Dead album the rest of your life, from here to eternity.
33:08
Speaker 1: What record is it or what bootleg is it six
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Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight. I
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Speaker 1: need to break out of this Cornell seventy seven hole.
33:17
Speaker 1: It's a great hole. It's a glory hole. It's a
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Speaker 1: glorious hole. It's a glorious hole. But I need something else,
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Speaker 1: get me out of the dead Head glory hole, the
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Speaker 1: Cornell gloryhole. I also watched on the plane, actually on
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Speaker 1: the plane ride home, I watched Tom Petties Somewhere You
33:37
Speaker 1: Feel Free and this movie. This movie they put this
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Speaker 1: movie together. They found all this footage from the making
33:44
Speaker 1: of Wildflowers, which is my favorite Tom Petty record, one
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Speaker 1: of my favorite records of all time. And I've often
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Speaker 1: told my wife, like, when I die, play, I want
33:54
Speaker 1: you to play Wildflowers at my funeral. She's so sick
33:58
Speaker 1: of me saying this song is incredibly emotional to me
34:03
Speaker 1: for some reason, as it is I'm sure to a
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Speaker 1: lot of you and most people who hear it. And
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Speaker 1: there's so much that I have emotionally atomized in that song.
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Speaker 1: I can't even speak to it. I don't even know
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Speaker 1: what it is. And then by extension in Tom Petty,
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Speaker 1: and then by extension again Tom Petty's death right around
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Speaker 1: this time when there was a lot of death in
34:27
Speaker 1: my life, and there's just it's just something very heavy
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Speaker 1: connected to that record now for me, and seeing the
34:34
Speaker 1: making of it on film, you know, in you know,
34:37
Speaker 1: at thirty thousand feet, I was a freaking puddle there
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Speaker 1: sitting in my seat. It's so sad, but also beautiful,
34:46
Speaker 1: also beautiful portrait of a man on a mission to
34:50
Speaker 1: make his greatest creative statement ever and he went about
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Speaker 1: and did it, and it's just fucking phenomenal. If you
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Speaker 1: have not seen this film, somewhere you feel free with
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Speaker 1: Tom Petty and most of the Heartbreakers and Rick Rubin,
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Speaker 1: I highly recommend you check it out. All right, let
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Speaker 1: me know you're watching, let me know you're listening to
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
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Speaker 1: at disgracelam pod on the Socials. I'll be back in
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Speaker 1: a minute. All right, let's recap, shall we. Number one,
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Speaker 1: Sonny Rollins, is the latest episode of Disgraceland that is
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Speaker 1: in your feeds right now. Number two got a whole
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Speaker 1: new season of bad Lands coming up coming up quick
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Speaker 1: August ninth, season eight premiere. Mister Johnny Depp, you don't
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Speaker 1: want to miss that number three next week in the
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