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104. [Texas] Jamie Hart & Carolyn Casey · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Hey, everywhile, I'm welcome to bless this mess in the True Grum Podcast.
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I don't care who was Stuca hasty? Hey, all right, so
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we're back. We're going to Texas this episode as our stew and I so
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well, Stu and I. If there's hubs hostility during this recording, it's
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because we bought a new recording studio. No oh, we are so not
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everybody knows this, but because like we've told you guys, for no one,
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none of our friends and family know we do this podcast. This is
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our little secret situation and would like to keep it that way. But uh,
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well, our family, our family does know we're moving. So we
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as some of you know, we do live in Louisiana and we are.
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Actually my job, I was able to get a job. I traveled a
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lot for work a lot, and so a new opportunity opened up. But
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it's going to require us to relocate to Texas. So that's what we're doing.
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So anyway, so we're in the we're team stage. We're in a
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high stress level right now. And today and today I was I was ready
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to like leave the family, but I'm here, I'm recording. So there's
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any hostility it's because stud's an idiot. So anyways, so we'll keep you
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guys updated on that. I would not have planned the vacation had I know
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when were moving, because that just added the stress. The company I workfore
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does provide relocation services, so that does take quite a bit of the stress
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off because they'll like pack us and move us and things like that. But
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it's still like buying a home and see the current home, and we were
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in the middle of updating this home, so we're going to still have to
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do that kind of stuff after we move out. And anyways, anybody cares,
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I don't have anything else Stewart, Stop, you're on thin ice, okay,
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and you're still carrying the holiday weights when you're on thin ice. Wow,
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So it's not gonna hold much longer. You told me you gained a
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bunch of weight on the cruise. I didn't because I have other things going
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on with me that we haven't spoke about yet. But I didn't. I
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get full really fast. So anyway, so I didn't eat as much,
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but Stu Stu ate a lot. Stu enjoyed himself on the cruise anyways,
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But the cruise also was not for me though, the cruise, but we
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talked about that last time, so we'll move on, all right. So
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yes, going to Texas? Okay. You know how like you get an
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attitude with me about the entry intro, I get an attitude with you about
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the y'all need Jesus. So I don't want to hear about anybody being rude
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to Stew because Stew's rude to me every intro, and I'm rude to Stew
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every I say. End of the podcast. Anybody there that wants to be
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abused by having to listen to us, is there of their own volition?
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Well, they're here of their own volition, Stewart, or they're fast forward
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and going. Man, well these people shut up, okay whatever Stewart.
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Yeah, I want to fight, all right, Press Paul, I will
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leave this family just like today, Just like I didn't Salem. I did
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threaten to quit the family. You left us, you went shopping without us,
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and Salem was that when I went to get the broom. Yeah,
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you're like, I'm out. I did quit the family and Salem for a
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little bit. I went and bought a which is brew to make it home,
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which I still haven't put together. It's all ready to go, though,
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we'll put it together in the new house. The new house is real
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nice. So anyways, we also had to buy this house over FaceTime because
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obviously I've been traveling back and forth to my new work location, but I'm
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not there right now. So in this house popped up and it was going
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to go fast. So anyways, we also had I don't know if anybody
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else, I'm sure other people have had to do the same. Anybody care,
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No, but I can talk about whatever I want. Stuart, your
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past yeastcast, You're just a yes the truth coming. Yeah, I know,
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I'm just the talent. Okay, No, all right, So to
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Texas we go, all of us, Me, stew the two and soon
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to be Jamie So. Jamie Glenda Hart was born November fourteenth, nineteen seventy
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seven, in Saint Louis, Missouri, Missouri. As some people call it
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Stu they do, yes. Jamie was described as funny and outspoken, Oh
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just like me, ste very pretty girl. When her college boyfriend, Chuck
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Cruise, I would never date someone named Chuck. That is an awesome name.
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That's fighter pilot name right there at Chuck Cruise or a race car driver,
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Chuck Cruise. So Chuck Cruise met her for the first time he was
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smitten with her immediately now. While attending Texas A and M University, Jamie
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studied engineering Stewart very similar and worked at a local restaurant to earn money for
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college. I think she was a terrible waitress like him. No, I
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was a great ways waitress with a terrible attitude. Like no, I didn't
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let the customers see the terrible attitude. I got great tips, and then
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I just went and yelled in the walk in freezer, in the Christopher walk
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in freezer. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, so she was a hard
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worker, who focused on completing school and following her dreams of being an engineer.
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On May first, nineteen ninety nine, Jamie's roommates could not find her,
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so they started calling her friends, as well as boyfriend Chuck Cruise,
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but no one had seen her. At the same time, the Brazos County
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Sheriff's Department was responding, Brazos pronounced Brazos, just FYI, Well I'm not
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going to live there, Okay, Well it's fine Brazos. Yeah, that's
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wow. I've learned to pronounce it growing up in Texas, Brazos County.
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Okay, Brasos, all right. Stupid Louisiana people, stupid. A woman
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had been out jogging on a country road when she discovered a other woman's body.
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This is why I don't go chalking. Yes, it's a risk.
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I could kill you. Well, no, you could find a dead body,
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or you could end up being killed because yea, a bear attack.
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This is something. She immediately called nine one one and police showed up on
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the scene. Upon arriving, they found a young woman lying naked in the
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ditch. She appeared to have been thrown from or jumped from a vehicle.
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Upon examination of the body. It appeared that she had been hit over the
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head several times, as she had a fractured skull. Her skull had been
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cracked, and she was bleeding. Thank you for those details to you are
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welcome. I just did all that so that you would say details. Oh,
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but then you didn't say drink after wards. That's your job. That's
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whoever didn't say it's supposed to Whoever said it is supposed to say, the
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other person's supposed to say, drink, say what details? See, that's
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how it works. Yes, and so getting back to the case, Yes,
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we have to stop talking. We can't. We can't joke around while
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we're describing the scene because we're gonna get in trouble star it. So let's
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just focus, Okay, laugh or laugh uncomfortably. I'm not laughing at the
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situation. I just I automatically laugh. I make and I don't handle uncomfortable
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situations very well, So I make inappropriate jokes, off colored comments, giggle,
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uh, just like get uncomfortable. And I don't know what to do
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one time one time at work, one time at works. So what I
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work, and sometimes we have like these like we'll do like a we have
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to have like safety courses or we go to a training and there's like safety
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involved and stuff. So this actually, this had nothing to do with safety.
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This was just us going around and telling we had to go in around
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in the train, you know, and the trained classes are always trying to
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get you guys to get to know each other and all this stuff. So
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this was mainly like my team that I work with on a daily basis,
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that we were in this training, most of us, it was. The
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class was filled with mainly us, so I knew everybody pretty well. So
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they had to go around and tell a story that maybe nobody had heard before.
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So of course I tell a story about how I caught a armed robbery,
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of course, the same one that we've heard a thousand times. Yes,
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it's my go to story. But the guy next to me, who
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I work with a lot like so I know him really well, he tells
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a story about he had his mom and she struggled like with mental health,
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and the casts me out she struggled with like mental health and all these things,
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and he got real emotional about it, and so he starts like tearing
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up, and then I'm sitting next to him, which I'm the worst person
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and I like, know the person really well. I've worked him a long
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time, but I get very uncle. I know I'm a female, but
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I get very uncomfortable. I don't have any natural motherly instincts. I don't
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get. I mean, I do towards my children for the most part,
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except for when I threatened to quit the family, but I don't. It
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makes me uncomfortable. I don't know what to do. So somebody's like watching
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him, like tear up and stuff like that, and then they're like,
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my boss goes like, well, Carol, you're give him a hug or
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something. I'm like, oh, just uncomfortably start patting. And I said,
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I said, And someone said, care's the worst person that I'm sitting
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next to you in an emotional situation. And I was like, I'm sorry.
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I was like, that's I didn't know what to do. Stude.
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Anyways, I don't think I ever told you that story. You should call
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him a puss and guy up and walked out. I didn't know, I
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said, anyway, So yeah, I'm you should have done that. I'm
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saying that would have been better than what you did. I know, I
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was just like weird. I was just anyway, So I'm not just here.
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I'm not like this. I'm like this all the time. It's not
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because someone got murdered. I'm over here like laughing or something. I'm just
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uncomfortable with mechanism sucks, Yes to anybody looking at it. Yeah, I'm
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a I'm a terrible People think I'm like a heartless person. I just don't.
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I freeze up in situations like that. I think you are a heartless
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person. Or I would have made an inappropriate joke to him, but that
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was also not the right move, Like that would have been inappropriate, an
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inappropriate joke, me just sitting there with like not knowing what to do all
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of it. So anyways, go on. I know that was a detour,
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but it was. It's just it reminded me of this situation right now
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that that happened to me. Did that happened to me? Not happened to
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him? So you're trying to cover your ass no for being weird. It
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is what it is. I am weird. They know I'm weird. They
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know I can't handle something like that, And then who's that people? To
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people I work with, they know me well enough to be like, yeah,
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Carrie is emotionally stunted. She can't everybody else like give him a hug
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or something. I'm like, I don't even like him that much. Oh,
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but he is a nice guy. I do like him and everything like
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that. He's a real nice person, and I like buddies with him at
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work. But I'm not equipped for that type of behavior. Hugs stranger.
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It's hugging and stranger too. Yeah, I barely give us to a hug.
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I don't think you did. Whenever do when you come home? Like,
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hey, well I used to get flowers when I came home too,
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but I used to get from a work trip. But now, no,
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don't start. Can you just go on? Let's get back on track anyway.
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The young woman in question who was found had abrasions all over her body
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and road rash. She had been hid in the face several times and her
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neck was fractured. I mean, that is pretty brutal. She had also
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been raped. They did not know her identity since she was nude, so
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obviously she didn't have any picture ID on her, no wallet, no nothing.
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They began searching around the crime scene and at another location they found clothing
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scattered on the ground. This is where the young woman's clothes, her shirt,
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pants, underwear, and shoes had been removed and tossed before she was
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taken to the place where police had found her. While the police were processing
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the crime scene and collecting whatever evidence they can get from the young woman and
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the clothes, they received a call about an abandoned car in the middle of
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the road in College Station. The car was just sitting in the middle of
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the road, straddling the yellow lines. It looked initially as if somebody had
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car trouble and left it. Upon inspection, they found the car was still
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running and the lights were on. With this finding of the young woman's body,
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they suspected that the car and her were connected, so they send officers
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to process the car, and upon entering the vehicle, they find a driver's
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license, and this license belongs to twenty one year old Jamie Hart. They
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dusted the car for prince and found Jamie's and one other set of unknown prints.
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Now, since the crime was so brazen to abandon the vehicle in the
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middle of the road by the killer, it doesn't look like he was trying
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to hide what he had done. Like he's just he's just doing brazen ships.
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Yeah. Sorry, stew was saying, Oh, that's all you have
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to say. I got distracted because I got a text about my flight.
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I have to Flyshower tomorrow, and there's like they canceled my middle flight,
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you know, my connecting flight, and they're just like, oh, here's
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the three and a half hour layover. Sorry enjoying. Yeah, that's it's
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anyways, Stewart, you'll find something today. Yeah, I'll go, but
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so spend money. I don't have so anyway, so Please begin their investigation
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by talking to Jamie's roommates. They told Please that Jamie got off work from
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her waitressing job and was home around midnight that night. Now, she spoke
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to her roommates and they were all going out and invited Jamie along. Oh
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my god, getting going out at midnight? Lord, no, thank you.
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Even when I was young, I was like, uh no going out
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past eight pms to regret. Yeah, we're not doing that. So she
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declined and said anyway, she declined and said she was headed to a friend's
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house to watch a movie. Also not going to do that. They then
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go to talk to the friend, who says that Jamie left their home around
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four am. She never made it home. Her car was found just one
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block from her house. This put the time at Jamie's abduction and murder between
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four am and seven am when her body was found. With the timeline and
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place, they talked to Jamie's family. She had sisters and they all take
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like talk to each other about their lives, keep in touch and everything like
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that. So they were able to get they get all gasping and in depth
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about what they telling you. Yeah, they're in constant contact with each other,
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so that police this was a good source for police. And they didn't
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know anyone that would want to hurt Jamie, which of course, I mean,
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she's a twenty one year old engineering student. It's a waitress. I
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mean, what kind of enemies can you create? You know, just other
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waitresses that man that you're getting more tips than them. Possibly, but I
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don't think they're going to kill you. No, No, that no.
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So her sisters and everyone were just in complete shock that someone could do this
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to her. They mentioned Jamie's college boyfriend, Chuck, and they also mentioned
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that he was much more into her than she was into him. Her sisters
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also said that Jamie talked about breaking up with him. She was working up
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the courage to actually do that, because she just wasn't sure how he would
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react to the ending of the relationship, because, like they said, he's
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like super obsessed with hers, was smitten with her the minute he met her,
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in love with her, and she's just like, man, Chuck Cruise,
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you're not as cool as your name. We got it in this.
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So she's she's trying to figure out how she's gonna tell him. Not when
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he say how he's react, it could have been is he going to react?
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I don't know what she thought, how he was gonna rerect What was
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he going to react violently or he was just going to be so super emotional
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and make her uncomfortable and beg for her to stay and all that stuff.
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So they weren't sure, but they said she definitely wanted to end the relationship
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and he did not. Now with this information, police go and talk to
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Chuck Cruise, who is their new prime suspect, because he's the only one
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that they think has any type of motive. I don't know if he has
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any type of motive other than being overly obsessed with her, because I don't
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think he knows the breakup and he couldn't even overly obsessed. He just is
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really in love with her. That doesn't mean he's obsessed with her. No,
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I mean, if he's following her own that's all they got. They
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all they got is the boyfriend. That's all I got. Now. He
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had also been exhibiting strange behavior leading up to the murder. According to witnesses,
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he had been known to follow her around. They said he was somewhat
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obsessed with her. Okay, my bad, I didn't write this, but
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it's it's been a bit. Yeah, maybe you should have gone to the
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next sentence. Oh whatever, you're wrong all the time. Okay. Now
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for his alibi, he said he was at home at the time playing games
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online Loser what maybe it was nine times? She's like it was nineteen ninety
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nine. This was the birth of the online gaming situations. That was all
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new. And if your girlfriend won't go out with you, what else are
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you gonna do? Yeah, she's at work and then whenever she gets off
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work, she goes to a friend's house instead of come and hang out with
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you and take the hint, Chucks, you don't like you, Jesus,
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poor chruck. So they're unable to police are unable to confirm his whereabouts the
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entire night. He had friends that said that they saw him some of that
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night. Yeah, but he's probably at home by himself online Like, yeah,
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there might seem in passing, but there's no one to vouch for this
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big block of time. Yeah. Now, during the interview with police,
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Chuck continued with strange behaviors. Yeah, this is kind of weird. He's
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asking police to pray with him, and he's saying that he had done something
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terrible. Now with no confession, but odd behavior. They asked Chuck for
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a DNA sample, and they asked him to take a polygraph. He agreed,
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and he took two polygraphs. He failed both times, which we don't
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care about those results. As you've heard in the previous episodes. Your first
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episode would go back, We cared not about the tests. Now, Chuck
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remained the main suspect until the DNA evidence came back and he was cleared based
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on DNA. So now we know why Jamie wanted to break up with him
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because he's fucking weird. Yes, he's a weirdo, and she was worried
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about telling him because he's a fucking weirdo. So police continued to look for
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Jamie's killer, but this case would be difficult. It appeared it was just
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some random attack, which is the hardest to solve because there's nobody in her
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life that would do this to her. Some stranger just coming in see in
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her at that time and then just doing our jacking her and the mill road
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at four am. Yeah, that's crazy. That's very difficult to solve.
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They collected DNA from any sexual or violent offenders that were rested in the area.
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Over seventy DNA samples were ran with no match. They were afraid it
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would be just a matter of time before there was another victim because they knew
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this killer wouldn't stop with Jamie. I mean, he had a taste for
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this. This is what he was going to continue to do. The case
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stalled. All they could do is hope for more evidence or a match to
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have been in hope that nobody else was murdered in the process that they had
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to get more evidence that way by finding another victim. Yeah. Unfortunately,
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sometimes it just that's all they can do, Like, they can't if they
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have nothing, they're just waiting. Yeah, so while we have the investigation
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going on in that Okay, we're going to introduce you to Carolyn Diane Casey
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born July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy eight to Larry and Anita Casey. She
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grew up in Lawton, Oklahoma, with her sister Amanda. Later the family
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would move to College Station, Texas, where Carolyn attended and graduated from Timber
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Academy. After graduation, she started working at the First Baptist Church daycare in
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College Station. On May twenty eighth, two thousand, a call came into
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nine one one and there was a fire at an apartment complex in College Station.
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Fire department extinguished the fire and the origin was the master bedroom of the
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apartment. They found the body of a young female at the end of the
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bed. It was apparent that the fire was not the cause of death and
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that the woman had been murdered prior to the fire. She was nude from
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the waist down and the fire started from a can that had been filled with
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gasoline and was placed between her legs. They searched what was left to the
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apartment and found the victims driver's license, which belonged to twenty one year old
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Carolyn Casey. Other items found in the apartment pointed to a sexual assault.
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Her underwear had been ripped off, and the fact that she was nude from
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the waist down. While processing the crime scene, they found that the scene
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had been staged to looked like a robbery gone wrong, but when looking into
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the scene, they found the main motive was the actual rape and murder of
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Caroline. Carolyn. Sorry, while the fire destroyed the DNA from the rank,
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Carolyn had fought the attacker and there was DNA from where she had scratched
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his skin. Great, now we're going to get a one start of You
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can't even pronounce the victim's name, right, Well I didn't twenty times anyway,
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So detectives they began talking to friends and family of Carolyn. Her parents
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had spoke to her and had invited her to come visit that weekend, but
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she had declined. Some friends of hers in the apartment complex said that Carolyn
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had attended a party that night in the building and left alone around midnight to
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walk back to her apartment. Police believe that this is when someone accosted her
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as she entered it apart her apartment and forced their way in, Because,
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like we said, there was no signs of four centuries, so she either
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knew the person and let him in, or they caught her while she was
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actually entering her apartment. Now, this seemed to be another random attack.
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Carolyn had no enemies and no one would want to hurt her. They obtained
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the guest list from the party and began interviewing everyone who was there. They
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believe whoever killed Carolyn saw her at the party and took advantage of her leaving
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alone. You know, they see her, she came alone, she's thinking
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something might have been a little tep scene or you know, and she's just
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walking. She's probably not on hile Okay, storm what those are all factors
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that someone could have seen and said, I'm going to try to take advantage
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of this. But she was also probably even if even if she hadn't drink
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anything or done anything, she's not on high alert. She's in her own
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apartment complex. She just left a big group of people that live in the
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apartment complex. She feels safe. I would I wouldn't be on I mean
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I would, okay personally, but most people would not be on high alert
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walking from one apartment to another in the same apartment complex. They're probably not
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even looking out for their surroundings because they feel safe. You're on high alert
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going from the side of the house. I am. You never know when
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this is one of these children might attack. Now, as they're interviewing people,
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they come across a twenty four year old man named Whenoby Matthews. Probably
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pronouncing that wrong and actually I think I am pronouncing a right. Whenoby stuck
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out to police due to his behavior during the interview. He was very nonchalant
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about the questions, playing his video games during the whole interview, which is
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weird to police, like not even paying attention. He's just continues to look
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at the TV. We're investigating and murder and you don't see ye give two
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shots. So when detectives told him Carolyn had been murdered, he had no
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reaction. He told investigators that he had met Carolyn that day before and they
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both spoke about going to the apartment party that next night. That was the
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extent of their relationship. He told police he never saw Carolyn leave. He
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had gone back to his apartment to check on his brother, who was sick,
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and when he returned, Carolyn had already left the party. He said
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that he returned to the party, he had a few more drinks and then
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went to with some friends to a gas station to get cigarettes. Still suspicious,
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they requested he hand over the clothes he had worn that night, and
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he did so without hesitation, so police began running down his alibi, and
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his brother did confirm that he had stopped in to check on him that night.
25:33
They also found video of him at the gas station at around three am.
25:37
However, there was a discrepancy. He was not wearing the clothes that
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he had handed over to police that he said he wore that night, so
25:45
he'd been lying about his clothes. Police confront Youobi and about the clothing,
25:52
and he acted like it was not a big deal. He said that he
25:53
had changed clothes a few times that night and that he couldn't be sure of
25:57
the clothes that he had worn, but he welcomed them to search his apartment
26:02
for the clothes they thought he was wearing. Why would you change clothes a
26:06
bunch of times in one night? Some people change clothes, Okay, what
26:11
in one night? Going to a party? If you're act your own thing,
26:15
some people are weird. They just want to show off their clothes.
26:18
I'm not that person, but I know people who are this. Well.
26:21
I think he's lying anyways, because he looked like a slob in the video.
26:26
So well, I mean, oh well, I mean, if he's
26:29
not wearing nice he's not wearing nice clothes. He was wearing like a like
26:32
an old sweatshirt in like shorts. He's not wearing. It's not dressed to
26:36
impress over here. Well, then he's a weirdo. Yeah, well he's
26:38
lying. So he's not a weirdo. He's just lying. I'm saying.
26:41
If he is changing sweatpants from more sweatpants, than he's either lying or he's
26:45
a weirdo. Now. They did search for and were able to find the
26:51
clothes that he was wearing in the video, padled up on the bottom of
26:53
a stack of clothes. They brought him into the station to make an official
26:57
statement, and he started talking to the police more and more, but he
27:03
still did not seem nervous. He told them that he had been in trouble
27:07
with the police before, and he said he had a warrant out for his
27:10
arrest, but that it would be cleared up soon, of course, like
27:14
a little bench warrant speeding or something. Oh yeah, I'll take care of
27:15
that now. He acted like it wasn't a big deal, but when police
27:19
looked into the charges they were kind of serious. He had been arrested.
27:25
I didn't put kind of in that when I wrote this up at very serious
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and stud so change it to kind of So it's very serious. Yes,
27:32
they were leading, leading the listeners into a direction to shock them, to
27:38
shock them for shot guy. He had been arrested for unlawful restraint of another
27:45
young woman. When looking into the details of that case, they were very
27:49
similar to the circumstances that led up to Carolyn being murdered. They asked him
27:55
for the NA sample and police were surprised that he agreed to it. So
28:00
they spoke to the victim in the unlawful restraint case and she described a very
28:04
traumatic series of events. Six months prior to Carolyn's murder. Kristen Needlin was
28:11
only eighteen years old when she met Whenoby at a party of her that her
28:15
friend was throwing. Now she thought he was nice and she had spoken to
28:18
him quite a bit at the party. They hit it off, and so
28:22
when the party was ending, Whenoby offered Kristen his phone, which was upstairs
28:26
in his room, she said okay, and she follows him up the stairs.
28:32
Once she enters the room. He then locks the door behind her.
28:34
She tells police that he then turned up the volume on his stereo very loudly
28:38
and told her to get undressed. So things changed. His personality completely changed
28:42
as soon as he got her isolated. Now she refused and this enraged him.
28:48
He then threw her on the bed and began raping her. He started
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choking her as she fought back, and she begged for her life. She
28:55
also started stomping on the ground as loud as she could, hoping that someone
28:59
downstairs would hear her. Well, her plan worked and they heard a knock
29:03
at the door and it was the police. Now, I don't know when
29:06
they were describing it, it sounds like maybe this was a not an apartment
29:10
downstairs, but a just a home with a second story, and then his
29:14
room was upstairs or something, is what they kind of sounded like, so
29:18
then they might have been able to more easily hear and access his room.
29:22
Now, due to the party being loud, police had already been called,
29:25
and then they believed that they heard Kristen banging on the floor and that's when
29:32
they went up there and knocked on the door. Kristen told the police what
29:36
had happened to her, and she clearly, clearly stated that he had sexually
29:38
assaulted her and tried to choke her to death. She even had the bruises
29:41
on her neck where his hands had been wrapped around her. She was in
29:45
complete shock when detectives did not believe her. One of the detectives asked her
29:51
to wrap her own hands around her own neck, and when she did,
29:53
he said she could have done that to herself, Like this is how terrible
29:57
these people are, these detectives, So they're completely disregarding everything she said.
30:06
She's saying, I was raped, I was almost murdered. I had bruising
30:07
around my neck, and they're like, well, you did that to yourself.
30:11
So they ended up releasing when Noby, despite her trying to file charges
30:15
against him, and that is why he was out and free on an unlawful
30:18
restraint charge because they didn't charge him with the rape or the attempted murder.
30:22
No, they ended up charging because I guess he locked her in the room.
30:26
But they're saying that he didn't actually do the bruising on her neck or
30:29
anything like that, which is completely disturbing that they just let this guy out.
30:33
So these patrol officers are just trying to No, it's not just patrol
30:36
officers, it's the detective. Detective showed up to a noise complaint. No,
30:41
whenever she's tried to file charges, it was a detective that actually came
30:44
an interviewed her and said that it had her reached around her own neck and
30:48
say, you did that to yourself? For what purpose? Why would she
30:52
she had she didn't even know this guy. Really, why would she try
30:55
to stick him with the did him in trouble? You know, watch what
31:00
your stays do. Stop. She didn't know him, She had no reason
31:08
to try to make false claims on him or do anything like that. And
31:11
they did not believe her, and he was released. And now here we
31:17
are. Police are sure that they have their suspect. Now, while they're
31:22
awaiting the DNA results to come in, they have Oh, Whenoby take a
31:27
polygraph test which he failed, which we don't care. They interview when Stewart,
31:33
We do care, now, oh, we did care. Now he
31:37
failed, We have double steers. He's so guilty. I can't believe he
31:40
failed that. They interview Whenoby again, and he tells them and they the
31:45
police tell him that the DNA from him was a match to the murder.
31:52
Now, this is when his demeanor does change and he becomes agitated and he
31:56
confesses to killing Carolyn. He said that he had gone to her apartment and
32:01
everything was fine until she upset him and he snapped how she upset? They
32:07
always blamed the woman. She upset him like, she like, he doesn't
32:10
have you made me upset? Yes, so thus I had to Yes,
32:15
it is your fun hill you. Now. Police do not believe that this
32:20
is what happened. They believed that he had pushed his way into her apartment
32:23
and that when she would not willingly have sex with him, he did the
32:29
same thing that he did to Kristen, but this time he was able to
32:31
murder Carolyn. The DNA did finally come back and it was a match to
32:37
the murder of Carolyn. Yeah, they just lied to him before to getting
32:40
rolled up, getting going see if he can because Kristin would have been murdered
32:44
had they not interrupted. Should be dead right now. And police also found
32:50
out that he had been a match to the murder of Jamie Hart. So
32:54
he's like a serial rapist murderer. At this point, he's on his way
32:59
if he'd got his way with Kristen how he wanted to this U Carolyn would
33:02
have been his third, although he would have killed Kristen in his apartment room
33:07
or whatever, so that would have he probably would have gotten caught with that
33:09
one. I would think. No, you know, if he's the only
33:13
one in there, he would have removed her body and dumped it somewhere.
33:15
I'm sure. Yeah, but he would have the other ones he killed in
33:17
other locations. That one he took. He was pretty risky with that one,
33:22
with the witnesses knowing that he had taken taken her upstairs and then killing
33:25
her in his If she had been able to murder her, it would have
33:29
happened in his room, and then they would have someone would have said,
33:31
well we saw her go. Yeah, he took a real big chance,
33:35
and he just unfortunately lucked out with some asshole detectives not believing Kristen that she
33:43
was attacked, and that's why he was allowed to sit in jail. Yeah,
33:45
Carolyn wouldn't have been murdered had they fully pressed charges against him like they
33:50
should have. I mean, if he would have bonded out still, if
33:53
there would have been in kind of bell set he might have got out and
33:57
still done it. But okay, well Stewart, why I'm telling you that,
34:00
what odds are he might have probably been in jail and I got an
34:05
opportunity to kill Caroline. He might have been on house arrest or something.
34:08
Now, with this information, they confront Winoby about the murder of Jamie.
34:14
He tells Blie that he did attack her, but he didn't kill her.
34:16
He said he was driving and there was a road rage incident. Oh,
34:20
I can see that. Yeah, he said he was driving fast and was
34:22
cussing at her, and that is when she stopped her car and jumped out.
34:25
So he's driving fast and telling her and cussing at her. But it's
34:31
her fault because she stopped her car and got out. Like what the if
34:36
she even did this? Who even knows what? Yeah, like she's gonna
34:40
get out at just we're gonna pause because the two year old did wake up
34:45
from her nap and she's knocking at the door. Okay, we got her
34:51
on a little she's obsessed with Mickey Minie Mouse. We got her own little
34:52
project. So she's she's good for them doing some color in her color.
34:58
She's good invested. They're more expensive, but always invest in the Washabul crayons
35:02
because it's well worth the money. Yes, I went, I cheeked out
35:07
one time and bought the Little Night and nine sent back and we still can't
35:09
get the crayons off of the no step stool. Anyways, I will say
35:15
she did not. She does not nap anymore. She has quiet time.
35:19
I said she woke up from her nap. She did not. She she
35:21
goes in her room to quiet time. But she sleeps really well at night.
35:24
Though that's neither here nor there it is now. So after he claims
35:30
that she jumped out of her car because he's, you know, speeding and
35:34
cussing at her, he said he then attacked her and raped her, but
35:37
says he did not kill her. Now they knew he was responsible for the
35:39
death of Jamie, but at that point they had a lot more evidence in
35:43
the Caroline Casey case. They chose to go to trial for her rape and
35:46
murder first Hey jury found him guilty and he was sentenced to death. God
35:51
blessed Texas. Now, during that sentencing, Kristin Kneeland was allowed to come
35:55
speak and tell the jury what he had done to her. So when his
36:00
dancing came back that he was sentenced to death and convicted of murdering and raping
36:04
Caroline. She actually felt like she'd finally been heard and what in her telling
36:08
her story and people they you know, they took that into account and it
36:14
really like probably cemented his So she was believable of court, unlike the detective
36:20
basically not believable. Stud Why do you say it like that, Well,
36:22
she was believed, she was. The detective had cast out on her story.
36:30
Yes, whenever she had told her she was believed because she was telling
36:32
the truth. She was because these things were happening. The detective was an
36:37
asshole. That's what it comes down to. She told her story to a
36:38
jury. They one hundred percent said, this girl's telling the truth. Why
36:42
would she ever make this up? And they probably took that into account when
36:45
they sentenced him, because she got to speak at his sentencing him because the
36:47
same thing happened to Caroline based on the evidence. Yes, Now, after
36:52
he did eventually plead guilty to the rape and murder of Jamie, and this
36:57
spared them, her family and everyone a lengthy trial. Now, Whenoby Matthews
37:01
was put to death on January six, two thousand and four by lethal injection
37:06
in Huntsville, Texas. Now members of both Jamie's and Carolyn's family were present
37:10
Whenoby was put to death much more quick quickly than others because he did not
37:15
want to file appills and ask others not to fight the sentencing, so he
37:19
basically volunteered to be executed on that date. He said, I don't try
37:22
to appeal this, don't lean kind of like Tramathy mcday. Let's let's spad
37:27
the process out. Yeah. So he's that's why he committed these in nineteen
37:30
nine and nine and two thousand and four years later he's put to death because
37:34
he said, yeah, I'll take that date. I don't want to pill
37:37
nothing, let's go. Yeah. So anyway, so that's our case out
37:39
of Texas this week. STU, do you have a y'all need Jesus?
37:45
Oh? Yeah, I got one, Okay, relates to me and you
37:47
and buying a house. I'll find a different one from Jesus. No,
37:52
you need no, Stewart, I told you that the emotions were going to
37:55
run high during this. It's a very stressful time. There's a lot we
38:00
have a lot of balls in the air, guts and it's not stews Okay,
38:06
there's there's a lot we have because we have pineapples on our door either.
38:12
I don't even know how pineapples relate this swinging banana. I don't know.
38:15
That was what we learned. Well, we had heard that before,
38:16
but it's true. On cruises, if you find a pineapple door, it's
38:21
like these people are cruising just to do like is a swinger city? Yes,
38:27
because they got a lot of pineapples there. Yeah, someone in my
38:30
cruise group said that the room next to him was a pineapple room. I
38:34
would have to let She said that. They said they could hear the goings
38:37
on in that room. That's disgusting. Like I would be like, no,
38:40
I gotta move. I'm not listening to this. This is nasty anyways,
38:46
I'm no fun as you can imagine. All Right, Well, you
38:52
two children, you married it, all right, Well, we'll be right
38:55
back with the y'all need Jesus. Because Stew's actually doesn't have as y'all need
38:59
Jesus. It is not called up, but I do have one. Okay,
39:02
all right, we'll be back. Yeah, okay, you ready,
39:06
Yes, Stewart, are you sure? I'm sure? Are you absolutely?
39:10
Possible. Yes, Stewart all right headline from twenty fourteen, May twenty one
39:15
headline, woman sold flowers stolen from graves. That's not good. Florida,
39:21
not Florida, not Florida. Carrolton County, Georgia police say a woman has
39:30
been charged with stealing flower arrangements from cemeteries and reselling them for profit. Well
39:36
yeah, if you steal something, it's a prophet on the sale. Carroll
39:40
County Sheriff investigators arrested them for charity. I don't know that makes zero sense.
39:46
Shut up, Okay. They arrested Eleanor Ashley, aged fifty five,
39:52
and charged her with six counts of theft. By taking putting flowers on a
39:57
level ones grave after they've passed, and then actually going back and finding out
40:00
that they're missing infuriates people, said Carroll County Chief Deputy Brad Broke. Well,
40:06
yeah, I would think so. I would think so. But I
40:07
mean, flowers aren't cheap. I mean if you went out there five minutes
40:10
later and there we're gone, you're like, hey, what happens? Well,
40:13
so there a week later, and you would think the cemetery pea flowers
40:16
and toss them for you well, because some people maintain the flowers at graves,
40:22
like someone like sometimes a spouse or something will go every few days and
40:25
replenish because they want the flowers to always be there, to be fresh.
40:30
Yes, Judy, I'm just burning you up. So why are you burning
40:36
me up? Like cremating yourself. I don't have to do such things.
40:38
So you can take me places, take you with me, put me in
40:42
the person. Go. Yeah. Judy Simonton was replacing flowers that we're missing
40:47
from her father's grab in Carrollton City Cemetery on Tuesday. She didn't think much
40:52
of it until she learned that Ashley had been arrested. You come to a
40:57
cemetery and leave flowers for people you loved, and how anybody could be so
41:01
heartless to just go and take something that you left. I just don't understand
41:07
how anybody could do that. Well, she wasn't a body snatcher for me,
41:09
what's I know? It's just the flowers. I mean there's people that
41:14
actually steal, so, I mean it's still wrong, but I mean we're
41:19
not that level. So it's you go from ethical to just creepy. You
41:23
start stealing bodies. Now depends on what time you were alive whenever you stole
41:28
the bodies, because back in the day it was to get bodies for medical
41:31
research, and so they would beat body snatchers. Yes, nowadays they trying
41:36
to steal gold out of their teeth or something weird. I don't know.
41:38
Or medical research can't harvest any any organs, I guess. No, Well,
41:44
now it's not for medical research because they have proper avenues to obtain bodies.
41:49
Yeah, to blow them up, that was a different situation. Evidently,
41:54
you can go on cruise ships and get all kinds of bodies because there's
41:58
one dying just about ever cruise. Carol County Sheriff investigators received numerous complaints from
42:05
people who would placed flowers on graves only to have them disappear, and that
42:08
led them to Ashley's home because they probably were blaming the groundskeepers, you know,
42:15
like saying, oh, they're throwing the flowers away or something, or
42:17
somebody's taken them and just to be teenagers taking them just to be as shitty
42:22
teenagers. But according to the police, she was actually selling them from her
42:30
yard and it kind of became known that she was in She was the one
42:35
in the neighborhood that you could perch flowers from. So she's got these flowers,
42:39
they don't know where they're coming from. Questioned, I mean, no
42:43
one would think that someone would go in Still, a fifty five year old
42:45
onom would be stealing flowers from a grave. I would never even begin to
42:52
question them where she got these flowers. I would assume she went down to
42:55
the flower shop and bought em in bulk and then sold them in bunches.
43:01
Well, he also said that they were buying the flowers from Ashley for their
43:07
family's grave, so she was recycling. So these flowers are getting the stolen,
43:14
then getting sold and going straight back to the cemetery where she probably steals
43:16
them again. It's like the pharmaceutical company. They make the illness and they
43:21
treat, then they treat the illness. Robinson said that the people who bought
43:27
flowers from Ashley had no idea they were stolen. Well, I mean,
43:30
you wouldn't go to that originally, I don't guess. Well, that's what
43:32
I'm saying. You would never even think. We put her under surveillance.
43:37
And on one particular day following her, she visited six cemeteries and actually took
43:44
flowers from two of those. At that point we went ahead and made the
43:49
arrest. Robinson said they had received seventy five complaints from people who lost flowers
43:53
from grave sites, and the complaints just kept rolling in daily. So that's
44:00
our story about Eleanor Ashley, who needs a little Jesus, a little unethical
44:07
going there and stealing people's flowers, but didn't steal the body, so we'll
44:10
give her that, okay, or the headstones or yeah, whatever else she
44:15
could get her hands on anyways. All right, Well that's our y'all need
44:19
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44:30
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44:34
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