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Week Thirteen · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  And welcome back to the Boundary Corner podcast along with my
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  partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton
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  Moss. I am Curtis Wilson.
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  We are a part of the College Heddle network.
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  And this episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down
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  at Counts Family Pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy
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  Three O 1 S Main St. Blacksburg, VA.
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  Well look, everybody decided to show up this week.
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  What y'all doing? Hey, full force, baby, full
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  force. Like Voltron came together.
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  Came together ready, ready, ready to go.
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  Fuck some shit up. Right, let's go.
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  Let's go figure it out. We had a week off.
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  Not we didn't have a week off, but the Hokies had a week off.
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  Yeah, no, we definitely didn't have the week off and you know,
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  and you got a promotion, right? I I did, I did.
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  We're not. We're not going to go too in
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  depth on that yet because it still hasn't been officially
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  announced. On some channels but.
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  Yeah, we're, we're we're excited though.
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  It's it's, it's a, it's a good thing.
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  It's a very good thing and I'm very excited about it.
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  So we'll, we'll make that officially official next go
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  round. But yeah, it's been a it's it's
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  been a much needed buy, as Steven said there.
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  I think, I think the team needed to buy.
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  I think the fans needed to cool off a little bit because we were
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  hot after that last one. And and it doesn't really get
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  any any easier this week. So, you know, we we got a got a
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  road trip down to Durham 7 and 3 Duke.
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  It's going to be, it's going to be a test.
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  It is Wallace Wade Stadium Saturday night, 8 O clock, get
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  everything ready. At least it's at night.
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  Maybe I can enjoy a little bit of the day.
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  Maybe not tonight, but at least a little bit part of the day.
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  I can enjoy it. I hate three 30s.
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  I'm going to tell you, for my health, a 330 game is the
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  absolute worst. If I'm at the game, I love 3:30.
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  If I'm watching it at home I hate 330.
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  Crew at 3:30. So yeah, Shelton, you're awful
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  quiet down there. How's everything going in the
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  new apartment and the new in the new digs?
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  It's been great, man. I'm here in the Berg, the the
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  East Coast Berg, Williamsburg, VA.
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  So kind of getting settled in here to the new job, new place.
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  So I like it a lot. Got some downtime.
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  So I will be in attendance this weekend at Wallace Wade Stadium.
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  I've never been to a game there. I've been to the campus once,
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  but I've never been to a game there.
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  So that'll be that'll be pretty exciting.
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  I can't wait to go. BCP on site.
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  Shelton, are you going to be in the booth?
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  No, I'm just going as. I'm going as.
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  A fan and as a fan this week going to sit in the fan or in
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  the stadium, not up in the booth.
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  That is awesome to hear. Well, as Brian said a few
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  minutes ago, we did not have a game last week.
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  Again, much of the detriment are good to your everybody's
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  healthier. So there are no truths to tell,
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  maybe some lies later on, but no truths to tell right now.
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  So what we're going to do is we're going to kick it right
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  off. We have a good a, a, a podcast
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  colleague of sorts you can say who's going to tell us a little
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  bit about know the enemy with Duke and we've got pull them on
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  here. We've got Ben Bird who is with
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  Duke Bull city coordinators. Ben, how are you doing tonight,
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  man? Ben, you're on mute.
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  I got you here. Control.
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  There we go. Sorry about that.
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  I'm doing well. How are you guys doing?
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  Doing great man, glad to glad for you to join us.
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  And and as we were chatting offline here before we punched
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  live, we found out that that Ben knows one of our good buddies,
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  our our music man, Jason Long. So it's it's funny how small the
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  world can get when you, you know, reach out and, you know,
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  connect with different people in the sports world and all of a
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  sudden, you know, somebody that was your neighbors with somebody
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  you've known since middle school.
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  Yeah, that's right. Jason and Liz and my wife, we
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  all knew each other, used to live next to each other, saw
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  each other a couple weekends ago, had a good time.
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  And so one of the good things about being in Roanoke is you
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  get to know everybody. There you go.
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  Jason advised me and Brian here in a text that it was a porch
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  picking party where y'all called up a little music there.
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  That's correct. We played some old time tunes.
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  There were 123 and maybe five of us.
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  Nice. Good.
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  What do you play? I play guitar.
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  I play rhythm guitar. OK, nice.
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  Very nice. So Ben, obviously you know we
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  were talking a little bit before you've been doing this about
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  five years, give a little background about yourself and
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  how because you're a one man operation, right?
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  Yes, so the website's Bull City coordinators and you can find me
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  on most social media accounts at Duke FB coverage.
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  I started doing this in 2019 when the Cutcliffe era started
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  going off the rails after the jump pass against North
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  Carolina. Over time, it evolved into a
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  podcast because I got tired of writing angry, frustrated
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  complaints on the Internet. I just didn't think that was
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  really productive. So I tried to be a little bit
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  more positive, a little more upbeat, and that resulted in
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  podcasting where I was interviewing former players.
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  After that, I got to a point where I started interviewing
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  last season, more journalists and having other bloggers and
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  podcasters who cover team come on, which led into being on the
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  part of the College Huddle network, which you guys are as
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  well. So that's kind of what it's
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  evolved into, altering the format again, because of the
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  unplanned evolutions of things. My podcast has a spin off called
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  the Classical Antiquity Side Quest in which I interviewed
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  professors various periods of time throughout ancient ancient
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  Rome and Greece in the accounts for those on social media.
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  I deleted the Twitter account for it because it was just
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  getting spammed by bots. It's really annoying.
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  But on blue sky it's antiquity pod and I've gotten a lot of
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  traction over there. So if you want to find me, go
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  check out antiquity pod on blue sky.
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  And the the blue sky classics thing is real.
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  It's big and there's almost, I'm not getting barraged by
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  pornography bots like I was on Twitter.
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  It's it's worked out pretty well.
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  So you can you can subscribe, like and subscribe at our
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  YouTube channel to both podcasts.
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  Nice, nice. So you got a, you got a couple
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  history majors on here as well. So that definitely, you know,
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  you got some interest piqued with that.
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  So always fun to like kind of mix a little bit of everything
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  in in in your social media persona there and kind of bring
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  in all your all your passions into one place.
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  So I can appreciate that. So so we got a game this weekend
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  and you know, we got with you were like, Hey, you want to come
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  on, talk a little bit about what your team does well, you know,
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  some areas that they can improve and kind of help us preview what
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  to expect this Saturday. So we'll, we'll kick it off with
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  defense first. You know, you got defensive
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  coordinator Jonathan Parker, you got Manny Diaz's obviously got
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  his, his fingerprints, his DNA all over that defense.
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  Tell us a little bit about what the defense is about from a
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  scheme perspective and you know, kind of what some of the
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  strengths and weaknesses are of that scheme.
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  Well, as far as the scheme, what Jonathan Patchy does and Manny
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  Diaz do is they get after the ball aggressively.
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  They bring pressure at the right time.
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  They kind of confuse their blitzes and their coverages.
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  But I think primarily what you see is a lot of the plays that
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  they have had a lot of success on or more coaching, small
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  techniques like punching the ball out, generating turnovers,
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  things like that. Tackling is really good.
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  You see in a lot of four, two base defenses, the secondary has
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  been a lot. I thought they were going to be
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  OK, but it's been a lot better than I've I've expected,
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  primarily because Terry Moore, who's a converted running back
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  at safety, just has been in the right spot a lot.
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  And I know they say you can coach that, but really you can't
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  because the ball's got to happen to go there too and then deflect
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  the right way and land in his hands.
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  It's just been for the Blue Devil fans out there and the
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  guys who might remember Devon Edwards 2013 season where he was
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  always in the right place at the right time.
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  That didn't get repeated. He still had great plays, but it
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  wasn't like that again. OK, Chandler Rivers has been a
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  big help. So is Kendi Charles, the
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  linebackers, Nicholas Bergeron, Howard Freeman, all those guys
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  have been playing great. But this is a defense that just
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  brings pressure, is aggressive on every down and likes to get
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  after either the quarterback or the running back behind the line
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  of scrimmage. I think we're leading the nation
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  in tackles for loss. We're right up at the top.
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  Against NC State, the 1st 2 plays of scrimmage for the
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  Wolfpack were tackles for loss, one of which was the safety.
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  I mean, this unit's going to get after you.
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  And I like a lot of teams. You have a running quarterback,
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  it's going to cause problems. But overall, Dukes and Ben don't
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  break defense and we'll make plays.
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  All right, let's, let's talk about that pressure because when
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  I started looking at it and the games I watched, plus just
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  looking at the stats and data, Wesley Wilshams jumped out.
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  You know, he had a great game against MC State coming off the
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  edge. They're creating pressure sacks.
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  You're also right. Duke is stirred in the nation
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  and tackled for loss. When you watch him, what do you
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  feel his best pass rush move is? Yeah, it's hard to say because I
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  mean, I I don't, I don't pay to subscribe to watch and break the
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  videos down and really slow it down.
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  But what those guys do generally is they're just fast.
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  They're in great shape. And I think it's primarily
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  through coach feely the what most places call strength and
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  conditioning. I think Duke calls it athletic
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  performance. I don't know, whatever you want
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  to call. I mean, who cares?
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  I mean. Yeah.
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  I I mean, I don't want to upset the Duke football account that's
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  following me on my blue sky account now, but who gives a
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  shit what terminology we use for it, OK?
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  I mean, really. So that is what it is, right?
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  Right. They're just really fast and
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  really strong. And one of the things they talk
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  about in the fourth quarter is dragging teams into the sewer,
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  which is not a reference to It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and
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  Charlie and those guys going down on the sewer, OK?
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  It's a reference to we are going to bring you down here.
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  We're going to get dirty, we're going to get physical, we're
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  going to beat you, OK? And So what you have to look out
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  for is a lot of Duke teams historically as the season went
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  on and late in games would tire out, OK?
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  They would tire out because they were exhausted, because they
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  didn't have a lot of depth, the strength and conditioning wasn't
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  as good, and they wouldn't be able to compete through all four
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  quarters, much less all four parts of the season, Right?
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  But that's not the case now. I mean, I was talking to Steve
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  Weissman at the News and Observer on our podcast
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  recently. This team's got like 7 guys who
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  can play on the line. And that's unheard of for a Duke
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  team. I mean, they rotate guys in and
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  out, give them chances to play. So I'm way off of your question,
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  but I think what Williams is really good at in the rest of
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  the line is that just being physically strong and fast and
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  not tiring out and getting worn out.
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  Good stuff. So you got Williams out there.
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  Who else should we kind of look out for on that defensive line
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  for Duke? One guy who's come along real
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  well as the season has gone on is is Candy Charles.
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  Not that he started slow or anything, but you could tell he
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  was making his presence felt there it early.
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  It may not have been shown up in the stat line, but the last
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  several games the guy's just been doing really well.
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  He is a guy that you have got to control right there in the
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  middle. He was a transfer coming in from
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  Liberty and he has really, really played well.
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  I mean, he he would be a guy that you've got to find a way to
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  slow down and double or something to keep him from
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  getting at getting at the at, at the quarterback or getting into
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  where the running backs going to be getting the hand off on, on
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  any RPO you're trying to run. Nice.
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  We'll pivot on the linebackers here.
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  Oh, go ahead, Curtis. What you.
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  Got Oh, no, no, I was going to actually last about the
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  linebackers, too. Go ahead, Brian.
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  Yeah, I was going to say. So you kind of talked about, you
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  know, transfers there and yeah, I want to talk to you a little
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  bit about that because it looks like, you know, Duke, at least
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  over the last several years, you know, going back to Elko and
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  now. So with Manny Diaz really
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  hitting the transfer portal pretty heavy to to feel the the
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  the depth pieces kind of those first and 2nd lines on the on
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  the roster there. And you got a couple more at the
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  linebacker position there with with what Howard and and
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  Nicholas, correct. So, you know, looking at those
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  guys and just thinking about how Duke has has done has been
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  pretty successful in the last few years with kind of
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  backfilling these positions through the portal.
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  And then you, you know, compare that to to what's happened
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  elsewhere. A lot of success considering the
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  number of replacements there. But you know, these these
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  linebackers, along with Bergeron and Freeman, from a statistical
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  standpoint, they're all kind of, you know, jumbled in together.
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  They're a little bit kind of who's the the biggest key to a
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  successful game from the linebacker position.
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  Well, I think you got to be looking at a guy like Ozzie
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  Nicholas. He has played really well.
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  He came in from Princeton. He's really smart.
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  He can knock the ball loose. He can make some plays.
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  He's been hurt a couple of times this year.
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  Nick Morris, I can't remember the last time he played and
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  there was some concern about not having him available, but the
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  other guys have stepped in and played very, very well.
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  And Freeman, not that Freeman has played poorly or anything,
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  but it was to some extent A1 1 1/2 man show last year with him
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  and everybody was kind of looking at Freeman as he was
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  going to be the guy to do everything.
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  And I'm not knocking him, but the other folks have really done
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  a lot more as far as noticeable impact plays.
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  But Freeman's a guy that can go in and get you 10 tackles easy a
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  game. I think it's just part of the
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  system that that's designed and nobody's upset about it.
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  But you know, those guys can play really, really well.
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  Bergeron too. But but Nicholas is a guy that
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  you've got to watch out for if you're Virginia Tech.
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  All right. Note taking.
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  That'd be Ozzie Nicholas. So you gave us a lot of good
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  points about the defense there. You took my question away on
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  Moore and Rivers because obviously those two guys popped
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  out and you telling me I'm worried about Terry Moore
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  because of the way you talked about how he gets in there and
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  the way when I think of that and I know Terry's a safety, like
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  that's the guy coming up in the line doing that, knocking it
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  loose. And you know, he's already I
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  believe I'm not mistaken. He's already got a couple forced
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  fumbles this year along with picks.
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  So you you answered my question for me in your monologue there
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  at the beginning, Ben. So let's kick off.
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  Obviously we know y'all got a really good defense because
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  that's Manny's 48. I want to go to the offensive
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  side of the ball, offensive coordinator Jonathan Brewer
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  scheme, What does he do? What do you like?
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  What do you dislike when you look at this offense?
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  The one thing before we get to that, I do want to say watch out
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  for Chandler Rivers in the secondary.
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  He he will do something in this game on Saturday, at least one
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  play. If you throw to him, he will
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  find a way to make you pay for it.
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  But to turn to the offense, Brewer runs a system that's very
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  similar to what is run at SMU with one critical exception,
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  which is Malik Murphy does not run the ball.
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  He does not run much, just it's not who he is.
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  So he did get a rushing touchdown.
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  It was ugly, but it was still a rushing, rushing touchdown
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  against NC State. He's run a little bit more as
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  the season has gone on. Earlier this season, there was a
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  lot of get the ball out and get it out fast.
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  But there have been injuries at the tight end position which
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  have slowed things down as far as how quickly the offense would
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  like to go because some of those routes over the middle are not
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  there. I'm not trying to critique a
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  third string guy, but he's third string for a reason and you
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  can't expect him to be as developed and talented as well.
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  Talent's not the right word, but you can't expect him to put on
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  the show that Nikki Dalmolin was capable of putting on.
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  I think Dalmolin was a fifth year returning senior before
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  unfortunately, his college career came to an end with a
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  with a bad injury, so that slowed things down some.
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  They do like to throw to the tight end.
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  Jake Taylor's getting more comfortable, so we'll see.
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  He's he's, he's gotten a lot better.
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  He didn't play much last year and honestly, he wasn't slotted
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  to play a whole lot this year. So how fast you can bring them
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  along. You know, next year he could
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  take that big leap. He's just got a lot he's got to
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  learn. It's a new system, new coaching
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  staff. It's a lot for the guy.
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  But the rest of the offense, you've got really good receivers
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  at with Eli Penkel with. Obviously Jordan Moore who made
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  a great catch against Miami, that one handed grab and then
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  the catch against NC State for the touchdown.
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  Those guys are really, really good.
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  And then to keep with an inside Duke football online joke, don't
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  sell your Samir Hagen stock. It's rising, OK?
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  He's really fast. He can get on some underneath
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  routes, he can burn you, and he can be right where he needs to
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  be. I don't want to say the ball's
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  been spread around a whole, whole lot this year because
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  Jordan Moore's been had been on a pitch count for a long time,
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  which impacted the rest of the offense and what could happen.
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  But as long as he's healthy, I expect the ball to be thrown
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  around a lot because the offense is going to gravitate or the
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  defense, excuse me, is going to gravitate towards Jordan Moore,
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  which is going to open up Eli Pankel, which is going to open
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  up Samir Hagens and some of the other guys to perhaps get some
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  touches. And then it's going to come down
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  to the running game and how successful that can be, which is
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  a little bit of a longer discussion.
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  All right. You, you, you highlight Jordan
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  Moore there. What is he?
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  What is his best attribute? What is he?
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  Look at him. What?
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  What, What's the thing he's going to do that's going to hurt
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  you the most? Well, with Jordan Moore, it's
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  his, you know, one of the things that I like about what Brewer is
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  doing, because I didn't really fully answer that question and I
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  apologize. I think Brewer's doing a really
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  good job and how you utilize Jordan Moore is a good example
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  of that. Even with the injuries this team
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  has had to navigate, what Jordan Moore can do is get down the
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  field. He can get open and he can go up
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  and get the ball. If it's thrown high, he's hard
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  to defend. He is a converted quarterback.
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  Years ago in a spring game under Cutcliffe, I saw him with the
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  offense and I said this guy's going to be special.
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  He's got it. There's just something about it.
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  I didn't think he was going to be this good, mind you, but I
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  thought he was going to be a good player to Duke, and he
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  turned out to be. He's hard to defend.
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  He can go up and get the ball. And that's what Brewer likes to
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  do. And you know, there's been some
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  complaints about Brewer this year, but I think when Jordan
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  Moore is healthy, this offense looks a lot better.
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  And you can see what Brewer wants to do with the ball, which
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  is spread it over the field, take shots down the field to
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  open up the run game and really let the quarterback air it out
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  at times. So if you see man coverage, if
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  you see single man coverage, watch that ball go deep.
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  Kelly, go ahead, man. You're, you're freezing.
• 22:52
  Is you're about to ask your question?
• 22:55
  Oh yeah, you know how it is. Internet crazy now here, but I
• 22:58
  was just going to ask about the offensive line.
• 23:00
  When you talk about the running game, you know, Murphy's had a
• 23:04
  pretty good year. Offensive coordinator has really
• 23:07
  utilized, you know, you guys as talents that you have there.
• 23:11
  So how does your offensive line kind of work?
• 23:14
  And who's the key to the offensive line?
• 23:18
  Yeah, that is a really good question.
• 23:20
  I don't know how best to answer that.
• 23:23
  The the offensive line has been a little bit of a work in
• 23:27
  progress because there were a lot of new guys coming in.
• 23:31
  But there's been guys like Pickett on the line who've been,
• 23:35
  who've been very good, who've been playing very well.
• 23:37
  Bruno Fina's been there as well. And there's a good number of
• 23:41
  other guys. And actually what we saw against
• 23:42
  NC State was the line went to, they had six guys on the line to
• 23:48
  help with pass blocking and some of the down the field routes and
• 23:53
  it it worked. I don't know how much we're
• 23:55
  going to see that again. I think that was more of a
• 23:58
  calculated choice just to throw the ball against State, but
• 24:01
  we'll see. The offensive line, I don't want
• 24:04
  to say has done poorly, but what we saw for a good part of the
• 24:07
  season was this focus on shutting the run game down and
• 24:13
  making Murphy beat you at the pass.
• 24:16
  So * Thomas has done well at times.
• 24:20
  Peyton Jones, who I think is going to play at times.
• 24:23
  Jacques Moore may actually play this game.
• 24:27
  It's unclear. He's going to red shirt, but
• 24:29
  he's got one more game of eligibility.
• 24:31
  So it'll either be this game or Wake.
• 24:34
  If he plays. It could just be fluff from the
• 24:38
  coaching staff, who knows, But I think for the offensive line to
• 24:43
  do well, it's going to depend to some extent on what Virginia
• 24:46
  Tech decides to do. If Virginia Tech says we're just
• 24:49
  going to load up the box, put eight guys in the box, OK, and
• 24:54
  we're going to bring our safeties down, you know, it's
• 24:57
  going to be hard to run against that.
• 24:59
  I don't care how good of a line you are.
• 25:01
  But if if the safeties drop back like Carolina, like in the
• 25:05
  Carolina game where that there were two high safeties * Thomas
• 25:10
  and Peyton Jones, who should be back from his injury that he
• 25:14
  suffered against State. Excuse me, I expect, you know, I
• 25:20
  expect some success there running the ball, especially if
• 25:28
  if Murphy keeps it on one or two RP OS.
• 25:31
  If he keeps it and then the hokey defense has to be honest,
• 25:35
  that's going to really help the offensive line.
• 25:37
  If he decides he doesn't want to run, then they just key in on
• 25:40
  the running back. You know, we'll see.
• 25:41
  So I think how well the offensive line is going to do is
• 25:45
  going to be more a focus of what the Hokies defensive strategy is
• 25:49
  going to be. If the Hokies say we're going to
• 25:52
  make you throw to beat us, the offensive line will pass block.
• 25:57
  They're very good at that, that unit's good at that.
• 26:00
  But how much they're going to be able to run out of that if
• 26:02
  you've got 7 or 8 guys in the box all night, I don't know.
• 26:05
  Sheldon, you had some you wanted to add, right?
• 26:08
  Yeah. So you know, typically when
• 26:09
  we're playing a team like to look at kind of the the stats,
• 26:11
  advanced stats and kind of see what they do well, what they
• 26:13
  don't do so well. So looking at Duke, the one
• 26:16
  thing that stands out to me on offense, 3rd and 4th down
• 26:21
  conversion rate put together, they rank 132nd, just 29% on
• 26:25
  those late downs. Now, as we know, a lot of it has
• 26:28
  to do with the the, the distance that you're facing on 3rd downs.
• 26:31
  You know, if you're in 3rd lung, obviously much less likely you
• 26:34
  convert the down from your perspective.
• 26:36
  I know the online struggle a little bit.
• 26:37
  Running game hasn't been super efficient.
• 26:39
  What do you think has been the big bugaboo on 3rd downs and
• 26:41
  why? Duke has just been so incredibly
• 26:43
  inefficient there. I think a lot of it probably
• 26:46
  early in the season has been struggling to get the field
• 26:54
  position that you'd like. There was a lot of incomplete
• 26:57
  run for two yards and then you're in 3rd and eight.
• 27:00
  A run for three yards, you're in 3rd and seven.
• 27:02
  That's had a lot to do with it. I also think, again, Murphy is
• 27:06
  still pretty darn young and he he's developing.
• 27:14
  He's developing and growing as a quarterback and he's looking
• 27:18
  more comfortable with each game. So I think that's had a lot to
• 27:21
  do with it. I don't think historically Duke
• 27:24
  has been particularly good on those yards for a while.
• 27:29
  I I'd have to go back and look because I'd I try not to get too
• 27:33
  crazy into those kind of statistics, but I think that
• 27:38
  that has a lot to do with it. I'm looking at the box score
• 27:41
  from last game. I'm trying to pull it up here,
• 27:45
  but this might be accurate. Duke was zero of nine on 3rd
• 27:49
  down. That's hard to believe, but wow,
• 27:52
  no, it's not. I think it's probably more a
• 27:55
  game of of an issue of field position more than anything
• 27:59
  else. And as far as where they are on
• 28:02
  those down in distances they can when they want to.
• 28:08
  Well, I could go on a long tangent about not putting
• 28:11
  quarterbacks under center. I'm not going to do that, I
• 28:16
  won't, but I do think some of that plays into it.
• 28:18
  Although they did put Murphy under center a couple of times.
• 28:22
  That could change a little bit this week though on some of
• 28:26
  those third down plays because last game Grayson Loftus came in
• 28:32
  for a play and a play or two and ran the ball.
• 28:37
  It would not surprise me if we see a small Loftus or Bealing
• 28:42
  package for backups. Loftus is going to red shirt
• 28:45
  this year. He can play these next two games
• 28:49
  and he can come in and be like a Thomas Sirk or Brandon Connect
• 28:52
  type. And if that happens then you're
• 28:56
  looking at a very different dynamic.
• 28:58
  Loftus is a little bit of a gunslinger too.
• 29:00
  He can throw better than Sirk or Connect good I think, but he can
• 29:06
  run real well too. Let me ask this, Ben, and does
• 29:11
  it give you pause for concern that the only game this year
• 29:17
  that Duke played against the top five pass rush was against
• 29:20
  Carolina, A top 25 pass rush was Carolina allowed five sacks in
• 29:24
  that game. When you start hearing APR, you
• 29:29
  start hearing the names of Virginia Tech, currently 10th.
• 29:32
  How much does that give you concern?
• 29:34
  Because I look at Duke's numbers, it's like, wow, that's
• 29:36
  a great pass rush. And I looked at the Carolina
• 29:38
  game and it's like, that's the best pass rush they've seen.
• 29:42
  Malik Murphy was on his back a lot during that game.
• 29:46
  I have a hard time believing North Carolina's pass rush was
• 29:49
  that good. Is that accurate?
• 29:51
  I'm not doubting you, but I just.
• 29:53
  North Carolina ranks, I'll get it for you right here in team
• 29:57
  sacks they are. I got to get it back to it
• 30:01
  because it was on another screen.
• 30:02
  Of course they are the 5th rated pass rush or team sacks in the
• 30:07
  country. Text 10th.
• 30:14
  On on the Carolina one, I think, I think we got to get a recount
• 30:18
  on that. Jump pull the data for me man.
• 30:23
  No, no, no. I'm not questioning it, I'm not
• 30:26
  questioning it. I just that just kind of speaks
• 30:28
  to. It doesn't feel like it.
• 30:31
  I I I agree with you from that respect.
• 30:33
  Coordinator there it was at Georgia Tech.
• 30:35
  We call him a can of tuna online Jeff.
• 30:37
  Collins, Oh, Jeff Collins. It seems like yeah, the can of
• 30:42
  Tunas team should be doing a little bit better with that soft
• 30:45
  schedule that they've had all season.
• 30:48
  You know, the thing that worries me about playing Virginia Tech
• 30:52
  is Virginia Tech always has a lot of talent.
• 30:54
  They always have tall guys in the secondary.
• 30:59
  I think though, Murphy, what we were at that game, the offense
• 31:06
  struggled early but picked it up late and he's a different
• 31:12
  quarterback I think now than he was at the beginning of the
• 31:14
  season. I'm not too worried about the
• 31:19
  Carolina game as a reference point for it, but I am worried
• 31:22
  about anytime you play Virginia Tech, there's always a good deal
• 31:25
  of talent there that you have to be worried about, right?
• 31:29
  That's what that's what worries me about it more than anything
• 31:32
  else. It's just the talent level that
• 31:34
  Virginia Tech will always have or should always have.
• 31:38
  You know what it's it's always fun to have someone on that can
• 31:42
  shit on Carolina with you. So thank you.
• 31:46
  I'm just going to. I'm going to say it, You know,
• 31:49
  look, this was a year you people are talking about.
• 31:53
  Oh, Carolina's turned a corner. They're back.
• 31:55
  If they don't win 8 games, there's no excuse for it.
• 31:58
  They haven't played. I mean, if they had Georgia Tech
• 32:02
  schedule right now, they would not have won it.
• 32:06
  They would not have won a game. We know this.
• 32:08
  Come on, let's be real. Yeah, when when our friend from
• 32:11
  Georgia Tech from rec talk was on here, he, he he got the whole
• 32:15
  Jeff Collins thing rolling. So it's, it's it's been a fun
• 32:19
  year to kind of shit on the UNC defense despite them apparently
• 32:23
  being a, a fairly good team when it comes to team sacks, though,
• 32:27
  apparently most of those came against UVA and I guess Duke at
• 32:31
  this point, if we're if we're looking at the the the
• 32:34
  accumulated sacks, though. But you talked a lot about Malik
• 32:36
  Murphy and, and kind of what he does with his legs, or in this
• 32:39
  case doesn't do with his legs. I mean, he looks like he's he's
• 32:42
  a pretty good athlete when he does decide to run, but it just
• 32:45
  doesn't look like it's it's motivated part of his game.
• 32:48
  So talk about that a little bit. I wouldn't quite put it that
• 32:53
  way. When he runs, it's not pretty.
• 32:59
  I'd say a little bit of wiggle. I'm not necessarily saying he
• 33:01
  looks like he's going to go out there and and you know, put a
• 33:05
  track meter or anything. I.
• 33:06
  Appreciate that you're trying to put a positive spin on it, but
• 33:09
  but it does not look, you know, you remember when Charlie Batch
• 33:13
  couldn't. Slide.
• 33:14
  OK. All right.
• 33:16
  That's fair. It's like that, except Charlie
• 33:19
  Batch had a more natural run in motion to him so.
• 33:23
  Yeah, it'll hit you in the giddy up.
• 33:25
  Well, I don't want to quite say it's like Luigi and Mario 2 with
• 33:30
  the weird jump legs, but it never looks good when Murphy is
• 33:34
  running. So.
• 33:37
  But that's not what he's there. That's not what he's there for.
• 33:39
  OK, that's not what he's there for.
• 33:41
  But what what he can do. He can throw the ball deep.
• 33:46
  He can put touch on it. You know, he can He can move the
• 33:49
  ball all over the field. He can hit short routes, He can
• 33:51
  hit wrong long routes. He's very good at throwing, at
• 33:57
  throwing the football. And if he sees single man
• 34:01
  coverage, he's going to give his receivers a shot.
• 34:05
  So he's a guy you got to worry about and he has run some.
• 34:10
  And I think that that is something that if he does just a
• 34:14
  couple of times a game, the defense is going to have to keep
• 34:16
  honest. But you know, he's been a it's,
• 34:20
  it took him a little bit to get his sea legs under him.
• 34:22
  And I think he's got them under him now these last several
• 34:25
  games. So I think we're all excited
• 34:26
  about it. And if you look at how he
• 34:29
  played, the Florida State game was more by design.
• 34:33
  He didn't do a lot. But SMU, Miami and NC State,
• 34:36
  he's had three really good games.
• 34:38
  I know with Miami, he had the picks.
• 34:40
  I think one or two of those might have been bounces,
• 34:42
  deflections off hands of receivers.
• 34:46
  That happens sometimes. So he's looked a lot better of
• 34:50
  of light. Yeah, and he, you know, looking
• 34:56
  at him throw the ball, I mean, he's got a cannon of a right
• 34:58
  arm. So the the ball definitely gets
• 35:00
  out there and he can make all those throws.
• 35:02
  So if he, if he can give us, you know, any, any sort of trouble
• 35:07
  with the with the decoy, with his legs there, I think that
• 35:10
  that could be interesting and open some things up for you
• 35:13
  guys, both in the running game and the passing game.
• 35:17
  And then as, as we kind of wrap it up here and you kind of look
• 35:21
  to Saturday night, what's your one big key like as you're
• 35:24
  sitting here, it's probably going to be 11/11/15.
• 35:29
  And the big key one way or the other is.
• 35:34
  Not to simplify it, but turnovers and field position, I
• 35:41
  think the team that can control the turnovers, again, this is
• 35:45
  ground breaking stuff. No one will tell you this,
• 35:47
  right? This is football's a lot simpler
• 35:51
  than we like it to be. But I think the team that
• 35:54
  controls the turnover battle and the particularly the field
• 36:00
  position, the field position can come in a number of different
• 36:02
  ways. It can be done by pushing the
• 36:08
  Hokies back by tackles for loss or it can be done by the kicking
• 36:12
  game. So those are the two things I'll
• 36:15
  be watching come Saturday primarily.
• 36:17
  I mean, if if Duke's in that backfield causing havoc, I think
• 36:21
  it's going to be a good good evening.
• 36:23
  It's going to be a good night for the Blue Devils.
• 36:24
  Not not so much of a good night for my buddy Chris, who's coming
• 36:28
  down to the game with me, but we'll see.
• 36:30
  He's a he's a Hokie. Hey, you're, you're in Hokie
• 36:33
  country there in Roanoke. So it's probably probably a
• 36:36
  bunch of your buddies wear the maroon and orange on a regular
• 36:38
  basis. Good number of them.
• 36:42
  We're here, man. Well, listen, I mean you, you
• 36:45
  tell the truth about that man. Because you know Duke, you guys,
• 36:48
  your turnover margin is top five in the country.
• 36:51
  Your turnover gained is top five in the country.
• 36:54
  So you know, I, I, I don't think you're lying about that
• 36:58
  whatsoever. But Ben, man, it's been a
• 37:00
  pleasure talking with you tonight.
• 37:03
  Real quick, give you one more time.
• 37:05
  Tell everybody where they can find you, social media,
• 37:08
  websites, all that good stuff. All right, before I do that, I
• 37:11
  just want to say one thing about comparative schedules for North
• 37:14
  Carolina and and Georgia Tech. Go back to my point for this
• 37:18
  fraud Tar Heel team. They played Minnesota, Minnesota
• 37:22
  whoopty frickin do OK Charlotte, North Carolina Central.
• 37:26
  I'm not going to knock those guys.
• 37:28
  I love them. James Madison in a program
• 37:31
  transitional year, OK. In a basketball game.
• 37:35
  Oh, exactly. And some Carolina fan before the
• 37:37
  Duke game tried to talk smack to us about it.
• 37:40
  I said we're going for 71, shut your mouth.
• 37:43
  And then the only the only games that they have had to play that
• 37:48
  are tough this year, OK, that you look at the schedule are
• 37:52
  Duke, Pitt, Georgia Tech. OK, now, Georgia Tech had to go
• 37:58
  to your house, right, To play Virginia Tech?
• 38:01
  Yeah. Who?
• 38:02
  Who does North Carolina get instead?
• 38:04
  Virginia, The Cavaliers, not a real football team.
• 38:07
  Come on, let's. Get things we can.
• 38:10
  Agree wearing pants. Things we can agree on.
• 38:13
  All right, I mean for real, just compare those schedule.
• 38:16
  This was all the ACC helping Mac Brown out, Brown out.
• 38:19
  Pathetic. Just disgusting.
• 38:21
  Anyway, all right, so where can you find us?
• 38:24
  You, you or find me? You can find me at
• 38:26
  bullcitycoordinators.com. Check out the YouTube channel
• 38:30
  which I think is at Duke FB coverage.
• 38:32
  Most all the socials are there. You can get both the podcasts,
• 38:35
  the Bull City Coordinators Duke Football coverage podcast, and
• 38:39
  the Classical Antiquity side quest which covers topics from
• 38:42
  ancient Greece and Rome. Do about one episode a month.
• 38:46
  I've got 2 I need to edit and a couple more I need to record.
• 38:50
  That'll get me into next year and on the socials for that one.
• 38:55
  Primarily just blue Sky at Antiquity pod.
• 38:59
  For the three of you who are decentralized weirdos who hate
• 39:05
  over over control of technology, I'd have Mastodon accounts.
• 39:09
  I don't really do a whole lot with it, but at Duke FB coverage
• 39:12
  on Mastodon and at Antiquity Pod on Mastodon as well.
• 39:16
  And the Instagram account for Duke football coverage just has
• 39:22
  both. I don't, I don't have two
• 39:23
  Instagram accounts. So that if you just just check
• 39:27
  out pretty much any social that Duke FB coverage or at antiquity
• 39:30
  pod, it's a great, a great merging of football and the
• 39:35
  classics. So you can hopefully find
• 39:40
  something that you enjoy. I got interested in ancient Rome
• 39:43
  later in life. So it's just kind of something
• 39:46
  I've picked up in my 30s. Nice.
• 39:48
  It's always good to have a little bit of a passion project,
• 39:50
  especially when you pick up a little bit later in life.
• 39:53
  Especially when you deal with the typical misery of Duke
• 39:56
  football over the years. Ben, we again appreciate you
• 40:02
  having on. Thank you for making us laugh.
• 40:04
  Thank you for making us say fuck you VA, fuck Carolina, because
• 40:10
  we appreciate that. And maybe the next time when we
• 40:12
  roll through Roanoke, we'll hit up Jason, We'll hit up you and
• 40:16
  go to what is it, the food truck?
• 40:18
  Mama Jeans is Mama Jeans the food truck.
• 40:21
  Oh man, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 40:24
  Yeah, I, I that stumbled them on Facebook one day and their food
• 40:28
  looks amazing. So I'm going to find that truck
• 40:30
  next time I go to Roanoke. There you go.
• 40:32
  Well, that'd be good. I'd love to catch up with you
• 40:36
  guys and Shelton. You said you were coming to the
• 40:39
  game. That's correct.
• 40:42
  I'll. I'll be there.
• 40:43
  Let me check real quick, see where I'm sitting.
• 40:46
  I think I'll be in. Yeah, I'll be in Section 30 near
• 40:52
  the top. 30, OK, yeah. So if you want to swing by, I'll
• 40:56
  say hello will do all right. Awesome, Ben.
• 41:00
  Well, appreciate the time and you have a good evening.
• 41:03
  All right, you guys too. Thanks for having me.
• 41:04
  On appreciate it, Ben. Yes, Sir.
• 41:06
  All right, Ben, thank you. All righty guy there was Ben
• 41:10
  bird with bold city coordinators, so go check him
• 41:15
  out again. Small world.
• 41:18
  It's really hilarious. You start talking to somebody
• 41:20
  and they know somebody even own literally your whole life.
• 41:23
  We know we probably could point deaths.
• 41:26
  It is. That's why Jason's going to take
• 41:28
  us there next time. We're down and rolling up, but
• 41:32
  but to be for real now, like that's that's the funnest part
• 41:37
  about doing this. We always run into people that
• 41:39
  somehow know somebody we know in some way, shape or form.
• 41:43
  And that's why I love doing it. Ben was great.
• 41:46
  A lot of good info there. So as we normally do after we
• 41:50
  get to know the enemy and Ben did a great job talking about a
• 41:52
  lot of key players. So maybe little wrinkles we
• 41:55
  might see from Duke. We've got to talk about the
• 41:57
  Hokies keys on Saturday night down in Durham and Shelton.
• 42:02
  I'm going to start with you first.
• 42:05
  What do you have? What is the key to this game at
• 42:08
  A5 and five Hokies attempt to get bowl eligible in the Bowl
• 42:11
  City. I mean, well, the biggest key, I
• 42:14
  guess is motivation because you know, you're playing, you're a
• 42:18
  500 football team playing for bowl eligibility.
• 42:20
  If you lose this one, you never know what can happen next week
• 42:22
  in CVA. So, you know, just come be, show
• 42:25
  up motivated, you know, show up like, you know, you you want to
• 42:28
  play and and this is what you know, you're getting paid to do
• 42:29
  because, you know, these guys are getting paid now.
• 42:33
  And as far as the game itself, I mean, I don't know, I think I
• 42:36
  don't think tech will have trouble stopping the run because
• 42:38
  I don't think Duke's been very good at all running the
• 42:41
  football. So I'd say just, you know, if
• 42:43
  they could stop fast, I think that make Duke pretty
• 42:45
  one-dimensional offensively. It's going to be a low scoring
• 42:48
  game. So just, you know, don't get
• 42:49
  beat with a deep ball. That should should be a pretty
• 42:52
  good strategy. All right, Tally.
• 42:56
  What about you, man? Man, I don't just see it.
• 43:00
  Just. Kind of the piggyback on what
• 43:02
  Sheldon said, You got to coach and play for your job.
• 43:05
  You're getting paid. As far as coaches, definitely
• 43:08
  getting paid. But you know, players NIL,
• 43:12
  you're getting paid as well. So when I say coach and play for
• 43:15
  your job, coaches, somebody got to go.
• 43:18
  Somebody got to follow on the knife.
• 43:20
  If you like being here, fucking do something right and hope it
• 43:24
  ain't you because somebody got to go.
• 43:26
  At the end of the year, players, I'm players are playing four
• 43:30
  position, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:32
  Because coaches if they're coaching for the job and you're
• 43:34
  not getting the job done, they're looking to put somebody
• 43:37
  else in that spot to go well, we could have been better if we
• 43:40
  would have had a better blank, you know, whatever the case
• 43:43
  might be, or if this person wouldn't have got hurt and we
• 43:46
  had somebody to back him up, we could have done this.
• 43:49
  So players, if we get an opportunity to play when
• 43:51
  people's hurt, you got to play, you know, or if you're playing
• 43:55
  for, if you're playing for film, to go somewhere else.
• 43:59
  Like you got to have that. You got to get in here and you
• 44:02
  got to act like it means something and you got to play
• 44:05
  for your job. Yeah.
• 44:07
  All right, Brian. Tally makes a great point there
• 44:11
  is that you know regardless of what next season holds, whether
• 44:14
  you're here, they are anywhere else, You, you, you.
• 44:19
  These still matter because your tape matters.
• 44:23
  What you do from a coaching perspective matters.
• 44:26
  Everything is still, I think, big from that perspective.
• 44:30
  So don't lose sight of the fact that just because you're only
• 44:34
  playing for a bowl at this point that you don't have anything to
• 44:37
  play for from a big picture standpoint.
• 44:41
  But the thing I will talk about it and actually Robbie put it in
• 44:43
  here, but I had already had it on my notes.
• 44:45
  You already had a. While ago, Robbie, So I didn't
• 44:48
  steal it from you. No, he didn't have an identity
• 44:51
  on offense, have an identity on offense.
• 44:54
  And and to piggyback some on on what Ben was talking about is
• 44:59
  within that identity. You can't be the offense that
• 45:01
  turns the ball over in your own territory.
• 45:05
  You got to make sure that you're you're taking care of field
• 45:07
  position, but you also need to to make sure that you're an
• 45:10
  offense that is efficient moving the ball down the field.
• 45:14
  It doesn't get bogged down in these long periods of just
• 45:18
  looking completely inept, not leaning on the strengths of your
• 45:22
  offense and forgetting the weapons that you have on your
• 45:25
  offense. We we love to see Kyron out
• 45:29
  there doing Kyron things, but you don't have to run Kyron into
• 45:33
  a wall to to have an offense. We've we've got to have.
• 45:36
  We got other weapons out there. We need to lean on those other
• 45:39
  weapons and that's whether Kyron plays or not.
• 45:41
  I know we've got a bunch of questionable designations.
• 45:43
  Again, again, we don't really know what that means.
• 45:47
  You know, when they were probable, they didn't go.
• 45:48
  When they were questionable, they did and they probably
• 45:51
  shouldn't. So yeah, we'll, we'll see who
• 45:55
  lines up on Saturday for the Hokies at quarterback and
• 45:58
  running back. But whatever they do, we need to
• 46:00
  lean on the running, the rushing attack because that is the
• 46:03
  identity of this football team from an offensive standpoint.
• 46:07
  Yeah, I'm going to throw a couple pieces in here.
• 46:09
  Some folks putting their thought processes up.
• 46:13
  Robbie again, office on the defensive side.
• 46:16
  Yep, Pressure, pressure, pressure.
• 46:18
  Hey, this is a big one. Oh, you grabbed one?
• 46:20
  I grabbed another one. Go for it.
• 46:22
  Yep, look at that. Didn't take long, did it?
• 46:26
  I see you out there, Chris. We see Chris Kelly been saying
• 46:30
  it like these guys that damn good, let them play.
• 46:34
  Josh Young. Yep, Josh, you had two on here
• 46:36
  because there you go. The only thing what's my key?
• 46:41
  Well y'all, we're freaking game 10 of this year and.
• 46:44
  We Curtis, hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 46:46
  Before you go with your with your I want no, I just want to
• 46:50
  say this so you can wrap it up when we talk about everything we
• 46:54
  talked about to the Hokie Keys shirt that we got sent, said 37.
• 47:00
  Seven and. Then there's a question mark.
• 47:03
  These next two games are important.
• 47:06
  Very. The bowl game is important if
• 47:08
  you make it because you still can sell the program if that
• 47:14
  number is a certain number. You go with your you go with
• 47:17
  your keys are Curtis. I just want to say that.
• 47:20
  There you go, there you go. What do I do that?
• 47:23
  But like I said, we have played 10 games.
• 47:28
  This is game #11 as Dwight's putting on the screen there and
• 47:32
  I sit here and it's like I have no more hokey keys to give.
• 47:36
  Why? Because I've seen 10 games this
• 47:39
  year in an all 10. This team could have won every
• 47:43
  single one of them. Every single one of them.
• 47:46
  People say, well, Clemson was no, they could have won that
• 47:50
  Clemson game. They could have.
• 47:52
  People can say, well, it was a shut up.
• 47:54
  They could have won that game. Look at the passion, how hard
• 47:57
  that defense was playing that game.
• 47:59
  Look at every game this year. And that's what irritates me as
• 48:02
  a fan because if we were five and five and we were an average
• 48:05
  team, it's last year, right? This is good.
• 48:09
  Hey, we're back on the right track.
• 48:10
  This is not an average team. This is an above average team
• 48:14
  with good players. How many Senior Bowl invites APR
• 48:18
  didn't get one. You know why APR didn't get one?
• 48:20
  Because APR is going in the 1st 2 rounds and those guys don't go
• 48:23
  to the Senior Bowl to get your stock numbers up.
• 48:25
  Don't need to they. Don't need to.
• 48:28
  And that's what irritates me. And like when I say, what's the
• 48:30
  key play to your ability, coach to your ability, because if you
• 48:35
  do, you wipe the floor with Duke on Saturday night.
• 48:38
  And I know Ben, I love to having you here.
• 48:40
  But if the Hokie a game and the Duke a game both show up, the
• 48:43
  Hokies are winning by 17 points. The issue is we brought a bunch
• 48:47
  of C and a bunch of D games this fucking year and that's why
• 48:49
  we're five and five. And the bad part about it is a
• 48:53
  lot of those games, the season DS didn't show up until the last
• 48:56
  five minutes. Hey guys, did you know we were
• 48:59
  getting a Curtis rant? We needed it, holding it.
• 49:05
  It's been we had a we had a feisty Curtis who owned it and
• 49:08
  think about it. Yeah, we had a about week to
• 49:12
  kind of Stew on it and think about it and need you, right.
• 49:16
  I mean, if you plan a team and they just better than you, you
• 49:23
  lose. It happens.
• 49:25
  Oh, we got to do better. We got to coach better.
• 49:28
  We got to play better. If somebody's hurt, don't
• 49:31
  fucking play them. Let them go to you.
• 49:33
  Put somebody else in. If they're on scholarship,
• 49:37
  they're on scholarship for a reason.
• 49:39
  Yeah. Don't put a running back in and
• 49:42
  never fucking run the ball. It makes no sense.
• 49:46
  That pisses me off. Yeah, real quick.
• 49:48
  I'm glad you put this up, Brian. On a very serious note, not only
• 49:52
  Gabe's, Gabe's leg injury by all means.
• 49:55
  That looks like that's just your normal injury.
• 49:57
  He's going to be OK. If y'all were not aware Gabe put
• 50:00
  it up young man. I consider close to his podcast.
• 50:04
  When he first committed we got to interview him.
• 50:06
  It was awesome. We communicated with the
• 50:08
  numerous times his father fell significantly I'll after he got
• 50:12
  hurt his father as of the other day and somebody might have to
• 50:16
  keep this up because if anything has changed, his father was in
• 50:21
  very serious condition down at Roanoke Hospital.
• 50:24
  So, you know, Stephen, thank you for putting that in there.
• 50:27
  Do you know, say a prayer, forgave his whole family as they
• 50:31
  go through this time because that's, I know, you know, no one
• 50:36
  gave in his passion, You know, that comes from somebody in the
• 50:40
  family. And it's very likely his dad
• 50:42
  about how much he loves the sport and everything.
• 50:44
  So yeah. I mean talk, talk about a, a, a
• 50:49
  very composed and mature person. Damn.
• 50:54
  When when we spoke with him, I mean, but definitely well beyond
• 50:58
  his years in terms of his composure and his passion for
• 51:03
  the game and, and just his ability to kind of understand
• 51:08
  kind of where he fits in the puzzle and, and, and the drive
• 51:12
  and, and like you said, that that's got to come from
• 51:14
  somewhere. So, you know, prayers up to him
• 51:17
  and prayers up to his family, you know, for, for healing
• 51:20
  during this time, man, because that was that was definitely a,
• 51:23
  a, a big struggle. And I'm, I'm hoping that he's,
• 51:26
  he's making some progress. His dad is and obviously Gabe
• 51:29
  with the with the surgery, you know, on his leg there so.
• 51:33
  Yeah, Chris just put in the chat, put that up.
• 51:36
  Chris just put in the chat. He said that his dad's doing
• 51:39
  better and Gabe had a successful surgery today, so that's
• 51:42
  awesome. That's great to hear man.
• 51:44
  Appreciate it, Chris, for keeping us updated.
• 51:46
  Yeah. Definitely, definitely that.
• 51:48
  And like I said, man, I mean, of course, prayers up for his
• 51:52
  family, prayers up for the young man while we on here talking
• 51:58
  about coaching and playing and things like that.
• 52:02
  This is also what sports is about.
• 52:04
  Not people being hurt, but coming together after a tragedy,
• 52:09
  you know, and that is a is a big thing, a huge thing for that
• 52:13
  young man to go through. And when we talk about him being
• 52:16
  composed and mature, he was the one who came online and put, you
• 52:21
  know, hey, this is what's going on with my family.
• 52:23
  Hey, hokey nation, can y'all, you know, pray for us and, and
• 52:27
  keep us lifted up. So to have that mindset and to
• 52:31
  know he has a, you know, know, he has a outlet that he can turn
• 52:36
  to and a community he can turn to is big.
• 52:39
  You know what I'm saying? Because some people feel like
• 52:41
  when stuff like that bad happens, they have nobody.
• 52:43
  So for all the bad things that we talk about on the field and
• 52:47
  what it is, I know that hokey nation's got the back.
• 52:50
  I know that God's got the back. So keep setting them up, man.
• 52:54
  Keep on praying. Keep on, you know, uplifting
• 52:57
  these players, especially during times like that.
• 53:00
  So whoever put that up, thank you because that definitely
• 53:04
  needed to be said. And I had forgot all about it
• 53:07
  when we started to get into the podcast, just rolling through
• 53:10
  things that we're talking about, rolling through things in our
• 53:13
  life. So whoever put that up, man,
• 53:15
  thank you so much for that. Steve, appreciate yourself.
• 53:22
  Let's go here. We got to make predictions
• 53:25
  whether we feel good or bad about them, but we got to do
• 53:27
  them. Shelton, I'm going to let you
• 53:29
  kick it off cuz you are going to the game.
• 53:31
  You will see it in living color. In living what?
• 53:35
  Do you think happened Saturday night?
• 53:36
  Great. For whatever reason, I think
• 53:39
  tech will win. I'll take Vt 24 to 20.
• 53:43
  I think they'll get a little bit bounce back.
• 53:45
  Rest off the bye week. I think Drones will play have
• 53:49
  kind of mentioned him pretty well and Tech will escape with a
• 53:51
  close W for the first time since the 2022 Liberty game.
• 53:56
  Jesus, 3 two years to the day tally.
• 53:59
  What about you? I was going to go first because
• 54:02
  I I know Shelton like most of the time I'm like, why you make
• 54:06
  me go 1st and being Shelton goes after.
• 54:10
  But I was going to go first because I want people to think I
• 54:12
  was copying it because like while being was talking, I was
• 54:16
  actively changing my my prediction on the rundown and
• 54:22
  I'm going Hokies, I'm going Hokies.
• 54:25
  I think we get a 10 point win this week.
• 54:29
  Being disconnected from football for about two weeks was great,
• 54:33
  but I still didn't like have time to myself.
• 54:36
  But here and being talk, being thank you again for coming on.
• 54:40
  I think that we match up well with them.
• 54:44
  I don't know if Kyron will be healthy enough to play, but I do
• 54:46
  know we have a capable backup and I think our defensive play
• 54:51
  inspired enough to get us to some things and get us in some
• 54:54
  positions. It's going to be positive for
• 54:56
  us. And what I forgot about was
• 55:00
  people's legacy game. Let's go.
• 55:04
  That's a good. Point.
• 55:06
  That's a good point. I forgot about the People's
• 55:08
  Legacy game. I like that.
• 55:10
  I like that. I'm going 2720 good guys here.
• 55:16
  I think this is the first time that me, Tally and Sheldon have
• 55:20
  picked the Hokies in a long time.
• 55:22
  I know Tally was was trying not to break the streak there with
• 55:25
  the picking against the Hokies when they when they started
• 55:28
  winning, but that's that's burned now.
• 55:30
  That's burned now. Burned that to the ground.
• 55:33
  So I'm going 2720 good guys. I much like Tally.
• 55:37
  I think we match up well. I think their defense is good,
• 55:40
  but I think we'll be able to to do some things to to move the
• 55:43
  ball down the field. And I I think our defense is
• 55:47
  going to play well in this one. I don't think that they're
• 55:51
  they're going to burn us on on 3rd down like some other teams
• 55:54
  have. And I and I don't think that
• 55:56
  they're going to be able to run the football as effectively as
• 55:59
  they will need to to be effective in this game.
• 56:04
  All right, Well, well, well, you know, Leave it to me, huh?
• 56:10
  You got to. Beaver, you got to leave it to
• 56:12
  me, huh? Bring it home, Curtis.
• 56:16
  Let's go. Bring it home.
• 56:17
  Well, you know what? I'm much like Tally.
• 56:21
  I was leaning the other way and hearing Ben talk and Ben gave
• 56:24
  some good information. But I think the Gabe Williams
• 56:29
  thing, forgetting about that and then being reminded of it, I
• 56:33
  think it's going to be a rallying cry for this team.
• 56:35
  And I do think they go down to Durham.
• 56:39
  I think they take care of business.
• 56:40
  And I'm agreeing with Shelton on here.
• 56:42
  I think this is going to be the first time in two in two years.
• 56:45
  I think it's two years to the day if somebody gives that
• 56:48
  because it's it's damn close if it's not.
• 56:50
  The math is mashing. It's going to be within a couple
• 56:53
  days if. It's not.
• 56:54
  It's the same week, two years to the day Hokies take this 1/28/20
• 57:00
  Effectively that is A1 score game.
• 57:03
  Technically, that's a one score game.
• 57:06
  Pride, pride gets off on the hook 2820.
• 57:08
  Hope he's come back. Gabe Williams rally cry and
• 57:12
  letting some of these young guys eat.
• 57:14
  So there we go. There are our predictions.
• 57:17
  Got a few people throwing them here.
• 57:20
  Got Steven and we'll throw you up here.
• 57:23
  There we go, Josh, Saying that I'd love to see some other
• 57:28
  predictions as we get up here, as we move on.
• 57:31
  And as everybody knows, by the way, y'all know, we got
• 57:34
  back-to-back 8:00 games. We do.
• 57:36
  They just made the announcement well yesterday about the UN
• 57:39
  feel. About that, I don't know how I
• 57:40
  feel about that. I'm gonna be nervous.
• 57:44
  I'm gonna be nervous all day. Nervous all day?
• 57:48
  Yeah, all day. Like I said, I can enjoy it like
• 57:53
  the nerves getting married me. As you all know, we are brought
• 57:56
  to you by the Count Stanley Pharmacy, your friendly
• 57:59
  neighborhood pharmacy, Three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
• 58:03
  He leads. It's in every Tuesday night when
• 58:05
  we're here. So normally we do know the enemy
• 58:09
  would get over to big screens. We talk about the games.
• 58:12
  But since we've been a lot of pissed off the last few weeks,
• 58:16
  we really haven't had a chance to talk about some other
• 58:19
  dealings in college football, primarily College Football
• 58:22
  Playoff. And I know that's going to be a
• 58:24
  sore subject for some people, but still, I still love college
• 58:28
  football. I still watch college football.
• 58:31
  Even though when I'm pissed on Saturday nights and I'm
• 58:33
  listening to tally ran on a on a space occasionally, I'm usually
• 58:37
  still watching football and I have all my screens up here.
• 58:40
  It's just what I do. So we wanted to talk about it.
• 58:44
  And here's the first thing I wanted to bring up to all three
• 58:46
  of y'all. There were certain media members
• 58:50
  that swore to God this is going to make games matter less.
• 58:55
  People aren't going to care as much.
• 58:57
  Well, first of all, I think they're wrong.
• 59:00
  But what about y'all? How are y'all feel?
• 59:02
  Do you feel because of the playoff that it makes games
• 59:05
  matter less? No, I don't.
• 59:09
  I definitely don't think it matters less.
• 59:11
  I think people are tuned in every week like they always have
• 59:14
  been and I feel like the college playoffs along with the transfer
• 59:19
  portal brings in some chaos. You know kind of what college
• 59:24
  football needed because we were getting to the point where you
• 59:27
  feel like this team, team mate, team B, team C and Team B are
• 59:32
  going to be at the finish line every year.
• 59:34
  Occasionally you had you flip flop a couple of them, but that
• 59:38
  top six teams to 8 teams, you thought that's all we'll see at
• 59:44
  the end of the year and there's no way for anybody to catch up
• 59:47
  with them. Well, this year you got people
• 59:49
  watching teams like BYU or Colorado.
• 59:53
  You know, you got team, you got, you got SMU, you got people
• 59:57
  watching other teams as a, as a collective to see if this team
• 1:00:04
  makes it, will they pair up with them if this team pairs up with
• 1:00:08
  a? Blank.
• 1:00:10
  How does that look? So no, I don't think it makes
• 1:00:12
  it, you know, less meaningful. I think it makes it more
• 1:00:16
  enjoyable for somebody like us. It fucking sucks sometimes.
• 1:00:21
  But as a college football fan, I think it may.
• 1:00:24
  I think it, I think, I think it's done what it's supposed to
• 1:00:27
  do. Sheldon, you were in agreement
• 1:00:29
  with Tyler. I can see you shaking your head.
• 1:00:32
  Why do you feel this way? Well, I, I just think it's, it's
• 1:00:36
  at a lot more excitement. It makes it so that you know, if
• 1:00:39
  you lose one or two games, maybe in three, your season isn't
• 1:00:42
  over. You can still compete for a
• 1:00:43
  conference title. You can still compete for in
• 1:00:45
  that large bid. I would say for me, I, I get
• 1:00:48
  kind of annoyed by the anti playoff discourse because you
• 1:00:50
  know, I I'm someone who grew up watching FCS football and the
• 1:00:52
  FCS. Playoffs is like. 2014 So for me
• 1:00:55
  it was always like, well, how is it that that the FCS can have an
• 1:00:58
  expanded playoffs, D2 can have playoffs, D3 can have playoffs,
• 1:01:01
  but the FBS shouldn't have playoffs.
• 1:01:02
  Like it just doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1:01:03
  So I, I think I think having the 12th team playoff wasn't
• 1:01:06
  necessary expansion. You know, it'll probably expand
• 1:01:09
  more in the future, but I just think having it at 4 was just so
• 1:01:12
  limited. There was only a handful of
• 1:01:13
  teams that realistically, realistically could compete for
• 1:01:16
  a title. And I also think it may
• 1:01:18
  recruiting a little bit more concentrated at the top because
• 1:01:20
  you know that there's, you know, if recruits, you know, know that
• 1:01:23
  the only four teams can play for a title.
• 1:01:25
  It's more likely you want to play for a big school and and Al
• 1:01:28
  as well. I mean, guys get paid so you can
• 1:01:29
  go to different schools, transfer portal, you can leave
• 1:01:31
  them everyone. I think there's been a lot more,
• 1:01:33
  a lot more competitive balance. Yeah, you you went from having,
• 1:01:37
  you know, 6 to 10 teams in play for the major recruits because
• 1:01:41
  those are the teams that had a realistic shot at competing for
• 1:01:45
  that four team playoff. Now you got 12 spots.
• 1:01:49
  You've got really probably 20 to 25 teams that at any point in
• 1:01:54
  the season had a legitimate shot.
• 1:01:55
  So you're you're spreading that wealth around.
• 1:01:57
  I mean, and I agree, but I'm saying minimum 252025.
• 1:02:02
  So you're, you're spreading that out a little bit.
• 1:02:04
  And when, when you look at what we have here, I, I, I just, I
• 1:02:10
  love this because I mean, when we look at just the SEC, right?
• 1:02:13
  So how many times have we put Vandy on a big Screener?
• 1:02:17
  Because they're, they're kind of playing upset dog at the SEC
• 1:02:21
  this whole damn year. And they're giving every team
• 1:02:25
  that has a number next to their, their, their name a run for
• 1:02:28
  their damn money week in, week out until they ran up against
• 1:02:31
  South Carolina. And that was the first team that
• 1:02:33
  I've seen really put Vanderbilt away in a this whole season, you
• 1:02:38
  know, one way or the other, right?
• 1:02:41
  They definitely kind of been a team that's played to their
• 1:02:43
  competition throughout the season.
• 1:02:45
  But it it's making those games interesting because you you've
• 1:02:48
  got these teams that have played well, that can play spoiler.
• 1:02:51
  You've got so many other. It's like, it's like poker,
• 1:02:55
  right? You got a lot more outs when
• 1:02:58
  when you're looking at this. So there's a there's a lot more
• 1:03:01
  of a domino effect with a loss and there's a lot more of a
• 1:03:04
  domino effect putting yourself back into contention with a
• 1:03:06
  really good win. So it's it's making games more
• 1:03:10
  interesting in November and it's making more games more
• 1:03:12
  interesting in November and not just those handful that are
• 1:03:16
  taking place in one or two conferences where the the
• 1:03:20
  conference championship is still undecided.
• 1:03:23
  I know what else I think, go ahead, Curtis, go ahead.
• 1:03:26
  I'm going to say this and I'll get it back to you, Tally.
• 1:03:28
  We have picked six games this week for big screeners.
• 1:03:31
  Every single one of the games we have has playoff implications.
• 1:03:35
  Every single game. And there's more.
• 1:03:39
  Their games we didn't pick that have implications.
• 1:03:42
  Go ahead, Tally. I was just going to say 2 and it
• 1:03:45
  comes down to kind of what you want it to be about is the
• 1:03:49
  players. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:50
  Like when you look at a player like Gente, right?
• 1:03:57
  So I've heard more high school students talk about him this
• 1:04:01
  year. Of course, he's having a great
• 1:04:03
  year. But when you have a committee
• 1:04:06
  that looks at a team, it's kind of like what they do with the
• 1:04:10
  the March Madness. If a player is hot and his team
• 1:04:14
  is starting to get hot, you kind of want them to be in that
• 1:04:18
  playoff discussion because that's going to bring views, you
• 1:04:22
  know what I'm saying? So for the players to be able to
• 1:04:27
  put their skills on display, it's a possibility to get them
• 1:04:32
  to the next level, which is the playoffs.
• 1:04:33
  So I've absolutely loved what it is to have the expansion.
• 1:04:39
  And I'm kind of like Sheldon said, I mean, when you look at
• 1:04:42
  D2D3, even go into high school, then you go into pro, like
• 1:04:47
  there's been a playoff. So this wasn't a foreign thing.
• 1:04:51
  Everybody who's a football fan grew up with it.
• 1:04:54
  And then when you got here, you just accept it.
• 1:04:56
  This is the teams that we want to see.
• 1:04:58
  This is the teams that you should watch.
• 1:05:00
  No, we want to watch some of them.
• 1:05:01
  Other teams too. We want to see can, you know,
• 1:05:04
  the the underdog beat the beat the, you know, the top dog.
• 1:05:09
  So exciting, exciting man. All right, I'm I'm going to do a
• 1:05:13
  couple things here because I'm the one that wrote the question.
• 1:05:16
  All the media said it wouldn't matter.
• 1:05:18
  They're fucking wrong. And I love it because now they
• 1:05:20
  got to go back and somehow turn back around and say, well, and
• 1:05:24
  no, you were wrong right Now, do you all know how many teams that
• 1:05:28
  have at least a chance to make the playoff?
• 1:05:32
  Just just guess how many teams that they're mathematically
• 1:05:36
  saying are not eliminated yet. 32.
• 1:05:41
  Not that many. That 32 was probably last
• 1:05:43
  weekend. Yeah, it's 23.
• 1:05:46
  There are 20. Three teams that can still make
• 1:05:48
  the playoff. This is the next to last week of
• 1:05:52
  the regular season and there's 23 teams that can make the
• 1:05:55
  playoff. And and I'm going to come from a
• 1:05:57
  Hokies perspective because as we rolled into November, y'all, we
• 1:06:00
  were like, listen, we just keep winning.
• 1:06:03
  You just keep winning games and you just get to Charlotte right
• 1:06:06
  now. That's why we're probably more
• 1:06:07
  pissed off because we go lose to Syracuse and it's like that
• 1:06:11
  irritated you and it's like, well, now more shit's got to
• 1:06:13
  happen. But but think about this for all
• 1:06:16
  of us, not the best season, right?
• 1:06:19
  Five years ago, well, maybe we win the ACC, but we ain't going
• 1:06:23
  to playoff. We ain't got no chance to win a
• 1:06:25
  national title. And I know some people will say,
• 1:06:27
  well, nobody has a chance to win this little title.
• 1:06:30
  Hush about that. But at the beginning of
• 1:06:33
  November, we literally sat here and said if we can just win, we
• 1:06:38
  have a chance. That's all you got to do.
• 1:06:41
  You just got to give people hope.
• 1:06:43
  And there's still 23 teams that have hope out there.
• 1:06:46
  And I'm hoping in the near future we're one of those 23
• 1:06:48
  teams at this late in the season where it's just like, keep
• 1:06:51
  winning, get to Charlotte, get in Shelton.
• 1:06:56
  You have something you want to discuss that kind of piqued your
• 1:07:00
  interest. So I'm going to let you kind of
• 1:07:02
  leave this next little section here.
• 1:07:04
  Yeah, so we obviously, you know, if you're on Twitter chronically
• 1:07:08
  like me, I saw a lot of discourse about the SEC.
• 1:07:11
  Some people, it seems like a lot of the media, the media people
• 1:07:13
  are, are trying to hype up the SEC that are pro SEC.
• 1:07:17
  And that's led to some inevitable pushback because
• 1:07:19
  people are saying, well, you know, why should an undefeated
• 1:07:22
  or 1 less Indiana team be left out of playoffs in favor of, you
• 1:07:25
  know, 3 or 4 SEC teams? And there's been kind of a back
• 1:07:28
  and forth. I will say I, I I see a lot of
• 1:07:30
  people really misinterpreting stats and kind of making some
• 1:07:34
  bad arguments. As much as we'd like to show in
• 1:07:37
  the SEC, and believe me it is fun, they have objectively been
• 1:07:41
  the best conference this year in football by almost any metric,
• 1:07:44
  like advanced metrics. They have the best win
• 1:07:46
  percentage overall in non conference.
• 1:07:47
  They've got the best win percentage against power four
• 1:07:49
  teams. So I do, I do think two things
• 1:07:54
  can be true at one time. I think the SEC can be the best
• 1:07:56
  conference in football, but we don't need to hype it up too
• 1:07:59
  much and it needs to be a case by case basis.
• 1:08:01
  I don't think Indiana, if they finish eleven and one and don't
• 1:08:04
  make the the big 10 championship game, there's no reason they
• 1:08:07
  should be left out, especially with how good their their
• 1:08:09
  metrics are. I know they played a bad
• 1:08:11
  schedule, but they've still got a a few decent wins and at some
• 1:08:13
  point like the games have to matter on the field.
• 1:08:16
  So I just wanted to kind of get that, get that off my chest.
• 1:08:18
  Yeah. I mean, you got to look at
• 1:08:19
  strength of schedule, but you also have to look at, like you
• 1:08:22
  said, the games and also the losses.
• 1:08:24
  Like, you know, if losses still have to matter, and we had this
• 1:08:27
  discussion last year, we're having it again this year.
• 1:08:32
  You still need to have take into account the games that are
• 1:08:34
  played on the field, who won, who lost, what are the common
• 1:08:37
  opponents. You got to still look at those
• 1:08:39
  things as well as just the raw strength of schedule and and
• 1:08:44
  whatever metrics are are feeding into that.
• 1:08:46
  So I'm I'm, I'm with you, I do. I definitely think the SEC is
• 1:08:52
  the strongest conference out there, but I don't think it is
• 1:08:57
  this head and shoulders monster, especially compared to a big 10.
• 1:09:01
  But even more so, I think, you know, they're, they're still on
• 1:09:04
  the, you know, not, not a, a big jump from, you know, a Big 12
• 1:09:09
  that's having a pretty good year.
• 1:09:10
  And you know, you look at an SMU that's that's, that's played
• 1:09:13
  some really good football as well.
• 1:09:15
  So I mean, there's a, there's a lot of opportunities out there
• 1:09:17
  for these teams that I think compared to getting, you know,
• 1:09:20
  four, in some cases five teams from the SEC in this thing.
• 1:09:26
  Cal, you got anything you want to say on this or I go off?
• 1:09:29
  No, man, I'm good. I'm gonna pass it on to you.
• 1:09:32
  He's gonna pass it on to me. He don't want to because they,
• 1:09:34
  because they know where he works at down there, y'all?
• 1:09:36
  That's why he's got to keep it quiet sometimes.
• 1:09:39
  I agree the SEC is the best conference, but I keep going and
• 1:09:43
  this is what I'll always say. Wins and losses have to matter.
• 1:09:47
  Well, you know, they're a great three loss team.
• 1:09:49
  It's like they lost three games. They lost 1/4 of their schedule.
• 1:09:54
  That has to matter. I don't care what's tough.
• 1:09:58
  There's some tough loss. I don't get shit.
• 1:10:00
  You lost, I don't care. Losing games happens, it
• 1:10:06
  continuously happens. It tells some about your team
• 1:10:08
  regardless of competition or not.
• 1:10:11
  Like right now the discussions Ole Miss is currently in, Ole
• 1:10:14
  Miss likely LSU is not. Is it probably an average team?
• 1:10:19
  I'm sure Sheldon could pull up the data and Kentucky is a below
• 1:10:23
  average team and they lost at home and on the road to those
• 1:10:28
  teams. So why are they considered a
• 1:10:31
  temple? They beat Georgia, so they're
• 1:10:34
  one win overcomes 2 not so great losses, like it wasn't a great
• 1:10:40
  loss like right, No losses have to matter.
• 1:10:44
  And by all means, if you want you want to see like somebody
• 1:10:48
  like me catch hell, let Indiana get left out at 11 and one
• 1:10:54
  Robbie's putting on there. He thinks there there's going to
• 1:10:56
  be a three loss SCC team that gets left that gets put in over
• 1:10:59
  them. So that's where you let's.
• 1:11:01
  Let's say this and I'll and I'll, I'll, I'll let you finish
• 1:11:04
  if you need to finish there, Curtis.
• 1:11:05
  But go ahead. Let let's let's tell you where
• 1:11:08
  I'm at. So let's pretend that we we
• 1:11:11
  reset the last two last three weeks, right?
• 1:11:15
  We go back to pre Syracuse, we go up to Syracuse.
• 1:11:18
  We take care of business, we take care of Clemson at home.
• 1:11:20
  We run the table against Duke and UVA.
• 1:11:22
  We're sitting at 3 losses. We're going to Charlotte because
• 1:11:25
  things fell the way they needed to fall for us to go there.
• 1:11:29
  I as a hokey fan would say if we don't win this fucking game in
• 1:11:34
  Charlotte, we do not belong in this mother fucker.
• 1:11:37
  No, I'm with you on that 100% there's.
• 1:11:39
  There's teams with a similar win, loss and and and strength
• 1:11:43
  of loss as a Vandy loss, a Miami loss and a Rutgers loss that
• 1:11:49
  people are putting in this conversation.
• 1:11:52
  So that that's where my problem was.
• 1:11:55
  There you go. So yeah, that's where I am
• 1:11:57
  again. I do think the SEC is the best
• 1:11:59
  conference. I think 4 is their number.
• 1:12:02
  I think 5 would be one too many in this case.
• 1:12:05
  All right, I know some of y'all got to see it, Some of y'all
• 1:12:09
  didn't. They did release the playoff
• 1:12:12
  standings and here are the four first game matchups.
• 1:12:17
  If it were to happen today, I want to know which one intrigues
• 1:12:20
  you the most. Everybody listen up.
• 1:12:22
  So the first game we've got BYU traveling to the Horseshoe,
• 1:12:26
  playing Ohio State, Georgia, and the Penn State Happy Valley in
• 1:12:33
  the middle of December, where the high is 36° as a average.
• 1:12:39
  Alabama would head to Notre Dame, also another state where
• 1:12:43
  the high is 35°, and then oldmouth to Indiana, similar.
• 1:12:48
  Which of those game intrigues you?
• 1:12:50
  Whoever wants to start. I mean, I'll, I'll start Georgia
• 1:12:56
  going to Penn State for a a night game whiteout in December.
• 1:13:02
  Like 8°. Yeah, that, that that to me
• 1:13:06
  would be a very intriguing matchup.
• 1:13:10
  So yeah, count me, Count me in favor of that one.
• 1:13:14
  Tally What about you? Yeah, it's kind of, you know,
• 1:13:17
  that game, of course, just because I think just me
• 1:13:21
  watching, I think Georgia's the best team.
• 1:13:23
  I think they can beat anybody but Alabama.
• 1:13:25
  But you put in those conditions, you know, and things do change a
• 1:13:31
  little bit. But also you talk about like
• 1:13:33
  Obama, Notre Dame matchup, you know, like just a historical
• 1:13:38
  piece of it. I think last time they played we
• 1:13:44
  had a fake girlfriend and all that type of stuff.
• 1:13:48
  So 12 years ago, yeah. Yeah, things like that, man.
• 1:13:51
  And all the. And I tell you, shout out.
• 1:13:53
  Yeah, man, when you got all that kind of stuff, looking at it, it
• 1:13:57
  it's it's very intriguing. But I mean, the Georgia, the
• 1:14:00
  Georgia and and Penn State is probably the most intriguing to
• 1:14:06
  me just because of how I feel about Georgia's team.
• 1:14:11
  What about you, Shelton? Yeah, I feel like Georgia
• 1:14:16
  playing PSC would also be like a a fever dream.
• 1:14:18
  Just doesn't feel just kind of feels weird.
• 1:14:21
  But I don't know, I mean, looking at it, I would say
• 1:14:25
  that's probably the the most hypothetically intriguing
• 1:14:28
  matchup I saw. Well, it's not a question that
• 1:14:34
  Boise State could get a buy, in which case they play the winner
• 1:14:36
  of BYU Ohio State, which would be also kind of crazy.
• 1:14:41
  So I don't know, man, I, I, I'm just, I like that there's a, a
• 1:14:44
  competitive balance of teams like BYU has, you know, a good
• 1:14:48
  shot and, and Boise and all these teams, Indiana, like, I
• 1:14:52
  mean, I'm something like, you know, interesting matchups.
• 1:14:54
  I like teams that haven't played each other historically, teams
• 1:14:57
  that don't make sense geographically, teams that maybe
• 1:14:59
  aren't historically a great program, just kind of throwing
• 1:15:01
  them all together in this big, big pot and just, you know,
• 1:15:03
  seeing what all the crazies that happened.
• 1:15:05
  So I'm going to be, I'm going to be entertained by the way.
• 1:15:07
  Yeah, that's going to be the best part of it is.
• 1:15:11
  Robbie thinks Indiana or paper Tigers man.
• 1:15:14
  Put up what? What?
• 1:15:15
  What, Jim said. James Gilmore put up there.
• 1:15:17
  You put it up there a few minutes ago.
• 1:15:20
  Them boys from Ole Miss going to be stuck to the bleachers.
• 1:15:22
  They ain't going to know how to move in like 7° weather.
• 1:15:25
  That's that's one of the big things people aren't taking into
• 1:15:28
  account is when if a if a southern team Callie mentioned
• 1:15:33
  in in the state of Alabama, it's in the 50s in in the middle of
• 1:15:37
  December. It's nice not game of Notre
• 1:15:40
  Dame. It's like 8°.
• 1:15:42
  There's kids that ain't never seen below 40° in that place.
• 1:15:47
  But for me, Brian, let it off. It would be Georgia at Penn
• 1:15:50
  State, because I think that would be an A the scene would be
• 1:15:53
  unbelievable and to be for real. I think like you said, tally
• 1:15:59
  Georgia is one of it's probably the best team.
• 1:16:04
  I think they're the only to me, they're the absolutely the only
• 1:16:06
  deserving two loss SCT men. You can like they they're
• 1:16:09
  deserve to be in. They deserve to be in over
• 1:16:11
  anybody else. But I think with that said,
• 1:16:16
  everybody still shitting on Penn State, Penn State does a couple
• 1:16:19
  different things in the red zone.
• 1:16:21
  They beat Ohio State. It's not like that.
• 1:16:24
  That gap was so far. Like it wasn't like it was a 28,
• 1:16:29
  seven game. It was literally a touchdown
• 1:16:31
  game that game. So I think that's the most
• 1:16:33
  intriguing. Obviously this is going to
• 1:16:35
  change. Obviously when it does, we will
• 1:16:37
  be talking about it a little bit more.
• 1:16:41
  I think it's been decided. I think is everybody pretty much
• 1:16:44
  of the first eight, first four teams, Georgia right now is the
• 1:16:49
  one that can make the run. I.
• 1:16:52
  Don't think so. It's, it's either Georgia or
• 1:16:54
  Ohio State. I, I don't really trust any of
• 1:16:58
  the other ones with any with any great confidence.
• 1:17:04
  You know, the, the only thing I'd say is that, you know, when
• 1:17:07
  you look at Georgia, you know, right now they're going to
• 1:17:09
  probably be on the road unless things change in the next, you
• 1:17:13
  know, three weeks. But that's really the only thing
• 1:17:18
  that's probably handicapped in them week 1 is, is having to be
• 1:17:20
  on the road versus the other. The other teams that are
• 1:17:23
  probably in that discussion are playing at home.
• 1:17:28
  I'll actually go. I'll go out-of-the-box.
• 1:17:30
  I'm actually kind of a Georgia skeptic just because their
• 1:17:32
  offense has been kind of so schizophrenic.
• 1:17:35
  I am actually a big believer in Ole Miss.
• 1:17:37
  I know that people cannot sleep on them because they, they lost
• 1:17:39
  two games, but metrically they have been pretty much a top five
• 1:17:43
  team in the country this year. You know, it's just those two
• 1:17:45
  losses to Kentucky by three and then LSU by three.
• 1:17:50
  Other than that, they have pretty much wiped the wiped the
• 1:17:52
  floor with everyone. So I, I think people are really
• 1:17:53
  sleeping on them. I think they're a really good
• 1:17:54
  team. They forgot to play offense for
• 1:17:56
  two weeks and. They didn't earn them and it
• 1:17:59
  cost them and it cost them big time, big time.
• 1:18:01
  By the way, everybody is like you said, Ohio State, Brian,
• 1:18:05
  that would be the scariest game. And I think the 512 is going to
• 1:18:08
  be the scariest game because if you're the 12 C, what do you
• 1:18:12
  have to lose? Like Kalani Sataki, if y'all
• 1:18:15
  ever watched him Coach B, he already does some funky things
• 1:18:18
  in games. Yeah, I mean.
• 1:18:21
  You so tell you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:18:22
  He will throw curveballs. If you're a 12 and like you got
• 1:18:26
  to go high state, you ain't got a shot.
• 1:18:28
  Like we going to pull out every trick in the book.
• 1:18:30
  We're going to do funky stuff all night.
• 1:18:32
  Why not? Why not?
• 1:18:34
  And I think the year at 12 beats A5 and maybe that's the first
• 1:18:39
  year. It's going to be one of those
• 1:18:40
  things where we told y'all for years, settle it on the field
• 1:18:45
  with the damn Paper Tiger rankings because Brian Siegler
• 1:18:47
  loves pre rankings. All righty, let's move on.
• 1:18:52
  And we are going to get to our big screeners pick.
• 1:18:55
  Like I said earlier, every single game we have selected has
• 1:19:02
  massive implications on the playoffs.
• 1:19:04
  Some are elimination games, some are effectively I'm trying to
• 1:19:09
  look at 1 here. One of those games could be
• 1:19:14
  played for a potential buy depending on what happened.
• 1:19:17
  So let's go to it. Brian Siegel, start us off Where
• 1:19:21
  are we going? We're going to Notre Dame, baby.
• 1:19:26
  We're going to South Bend. No, you're not.
• 1:19:29
  This game's in the Bronx. This game is in the Bronx,
• 1:19:33
  You're right. This game is in the Bronx.
• 1:19:36
  I forgot about this. So I like my pick even better
• 1:19:40
  than because Notre Dame's getting 14 points here and that
• 1:19:50
  seems like just a little too much.
• 1:19:51
  I like what Arby's been doing this year, so I'm taking Army
• 1:19:53
  here. I think Notre Dame will win this
• 1:19:56
  game, but it's not going to be by two touchdowns.
• 1:19:59
  Yeah, I'm with you. Being in the Bronx, night game
• 1:20:02
  start, 7:00. Yankee Stadium. 14 is just too
• 1:20:06
  big a number to lay the way Army's been playing.
• 1:20:11
  If this had been like 10, I'd take Notre Dame because I think
• 1:20:13
  that's what they wanted by like 3121.
• 1:20:16
  But give me Army as well. I think, I think Navy's due for
• 1:20:20
  a big time cover. Excuse me, Notre Dame, sorry.
• 1:20:23
  I think, I think they'll cover pretty easily.
• 1:20:25
  They typically do pretty well at the service academies and I
• 1:20:28
  don't think this will be an exception today.
• 1:20:31
  Same. Notre Dame, give them to me.
• 1:20:34
  He said give them to him. Miranda is going with us and
• 1:20:39
  Jason is going with us. So there we go.
• 1:20:44
  Big playoff implications, why Notre Dame wins out.
• 1:20:48
  Notre Dame's in Army this. If they get this victory, it
• 1:20:54
  could propel them potentially to be in right there and all they
• 1:20:57
  need is a Boise State slip up, a Boise State slip up and they're
• 1:21:01
  in. So there that is, I got the next
• 1:21:04
  one. I got the big game of the week.
• 1:21:06
  I got #2 versus #5 Indiana goes and visits the Horseshoe, the
• 1:21:11
  biggest game in Indiana football history.
• 1:21:14
  There is not even a single doubt in my mind about this and they
• 1:21:21
  are getting 13 1/2 points versus Ohio State.
• 1:21:26
  I know Indiana does not have as much talent as Ohio State, I
• 1:21:31
  know that. But when it's 13 1/2 points in
• 1:21:35
  every good team that has come across Ohio State this year,
• 1:21:40
  they ain't exactly beat shit out of them.
• 1:21:42
  So I think 13 1/2 is too big. I think Ohio State wins.
• 1:21:46
  I think it's a hell of a lot closer than 13 1/2.
• 1:21:49
  I am taking Indiana to cover. Yep, I'm riding with you there.
• 1:21:57
  You know it's it's 13 1/2. If you, if you gave me even 10
• 1:22:02
  1/2, I might would have taken it, but the 13 1/2 that I can
• 1:22:08
  see this being a 13 pointer when it's all said and done.
• 1:22:13
  I know we got Robbie in here. Robbie is definitely thinks that
• 1:22:16
  IU is a big, big paper tiger right now.
• 1:22:21
  I, I don't, I don't, I don't feel that quite that way.
• 1:22:23
  I definitely think they're probably a little inflated
• 1:22:26
  relative to where their talent level is, but I think they're
• 1:22:31
  going to keep it close enough in this one.
• 1:22:33
  So I'll, I'll take the Hoosiers. Sheldon.
• 1:22:38
  Yeah, I'm taking the Buckeyes. I think this is what I call a
• 1:22:40
  worst case scenario game for Indiana.
• 1:22:42
  I think they're going to get destroyed and that's going to
• 1:22:45
  start the discourse about if they should be in the playoff or
• 1:22:47
  not. So I could be hilariously wrong,
• 1:22:49
  but I think that's how it's going to play out.
• 1:22:52
  Tally yeah, I'm going to go Indiana on this one.
• 1:22:56
  I think that Ohio State wins, but I think that Indiana will
• 1:23:00
  cover. It's just too big a number.
• 1:23:03
  Miranda's riding with with Sheldon, and so is Jason.
• 1:23:07
  Split house on this one, it's just to me, it's just too big.
• 1:23:11
  And I've seen Indiana score. I've seen him in some low fights
• 1:23:13
  as well. Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  All righty, Shelton. Let's go.
• 1:23:25
  This is this is going to be a cool game.
• 1:23:27
  So I think Arizona State is a program that people aren't
• 1:23:29
  really talking a lot about this year.
• 1:23:30
  They've had a great season, 8 and two kind of out of nowhere.
• 1:23:34
  But so too is BYU. So match of two really
• 1:23:37
  interesting Big 12 teams. I will take the Cougars to cover
• 1:23:40
  -3.5. Ron.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm with BYU here as well.
• 1:23:48
  I think they're going to go and handle business.
• 1:23:49
  It's really going to put them a very good place playoff wise.
• 1:23:53
  So I think they're going to go out there and take care of
• 1:23:55
  business. And that's despite ASU really
• 1:23:58
  having been putting together a a very unlikely season even
• 1:24:01
  relative to to BYU. I think BYU we thought was going
• 1:24:04
  to at least be a factor. I think ASU just kind of came
• 1:24:09
  out of nowhere. ASU comes out of nowhere,
• 1:24:13
  unranked in the playoff, 8 and two, BYU coming off a big loss
• 1:24:18
  to a surging Kansas team. But ASU coming off, I mean, we
• 1:24:23
  all got a bunch of us got the ASU game wrong last week with
• 1:24:26
  Kansas State. Brian, I'll let you find that
• 1:24:29
  for me. I'm with me and me and me and
• 1:24:32
  Josh are together on this one. Put that up here, that up here.
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  Which one? The storm and Mormons to cover
• 1:24:41
  because they're going to win the game outright.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah, I believe BYU too. You know, big loss last week.
• 1:24:50
  I mean, most of their players are probably 32 years old.
• 1:24:54
  And just like us, when you go to work, something bad happens one
• 1:24:58
  day at work. You just, you just go back the
• 1:25:01
  next day and do your job. You know, they they grown man.
• 1:25:05
  They got to go home and put the kids to bed.
• 1:25:07
  They ain't going, you know, they ain't going to get all upset
• 1:25:10
  about it. They're just going to come on
• 1:25:11
  back to next week and make something happen.
• 1:25:13
  So BYU. Yeah, Miranda's riding with BYU
• 1:25:18
  and Jason is the only one we. Got to be difficult.
• 1:25:23
  Yeah, he's the only. One hanging there with with
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  Arizona State. By the way, if y'all didn't know
• 1:25:33
  Robbie was here picking last week, probably win O 1/6.
• 1:25:37
  Shell, That might not bode well for that Ohio State pick.
• 1:25:40
  Exactly. All right, let's move on.
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  Jonathan Talley, what is your game, my friend?
• 1:25:48
  My game is SMU versus UVA. The reason I picked this game is
• 1:25:56
  because again, SMU is in the hunt right now.
• 1:26:00
  And I mean Virginia's in the hunt as well.
• 1:26:05
  They're trying to figure out if they're going to come to Lane
• 1:26:09
  Stadium and win and get into a bowl game.
• 1:26:12
  So it's going to be pretty interesting to watch watch this
• 1:26:15
  game. But I'm taking SMU because I
• 1:26:17
  think SMU is going to beat the dog shit out of them.
• 1:26:20
  I don't even, I don't even think Virginia cares for real.
• 1:26:23
  I think that they're just focused on if we get to Lane and
• 1:26:26
  we beat them because they're down, then we'll go to a bowl
• 1:26:29
  and whatever we'll sport that season.
• 1:26:32
  Yeah, I mean, we're, we're, we're hearing things like, you
• 1:26:35
  know, Calandria has been running the locker room and all this
• 1:26:37
  stuff. And I'm, I'm not, I'm not really
• 1:26:41
  sold on what, what UVA is, is doing down the stretch here.
• 1:26:45
  I think you're right, Tally. I think they are pretty much
• 1:26:48
  playing for the the Hokey Bowl at this point.
• 1:26:52
  So I'm taking SMUI think they're going to roll.
• 1:26:54
  I don't think it's going to be close.
• 1:26:55
  I think it could be 3 scores. Oh yeah, I'm, I'm with you.
• 1:27:00
  This is SMU kind of had a struggle against Boston College.
• 1:27:02
  I watched a lot of that game. And and.
• 1:27:06
  Like we played Boston College, they had those moments against
• 1:27:08
  us, they had good moments against SMU and I think they're
• 1:27:12
  going to beat the dog shit out of them.
• 1:27:13
  I think this is going to be a get right game for SMU as they
• 1:27:17
  kind of get into the end of the season and net it towards the
• 1:27:20
  ACC Championship game. Yeah I agree, I just don't like
• 1:27:24
  to advise with UVA right now and I do think they're going to be
• 1:27:26
  overlooking SMU in favor of tech next week.
• 1:27:29
  So SMU big. Miranda, Miranda and Jason are
• 1:27:34
  riding across. Look at the Little Pony.
• 1:27:36
  Go across the thing there. Look at that.
• 1:27:39
  We're colonial downs, man. We're Colonial Downs all righty
• 1:27:44
  so here we go. We got Miss Miranda.
• 1:27:48
  I almost picked this game because what Florida did beaten
• 1:27:53
  LSU a they got hope again there because they lost LSU and
• 1:27:58
  they're like we'll bring Bill and Napier back and like he just
• 1:28:00
  fucking lost another game fire his ass.
• 1:28:03
  But this is big for Ole Miss. We've already discussed Ole Miss
• 1:28:08
  of all the two lost teams, they have the most 2 unimpressive
• 1:28:11
  losses. If they go down to the swamp,
• 1:28:14
  lose this game, there should be absolutely no discussion.
• 1:28:18
  I don't give a shit if they beat Georgia.
• 1:28:20
  That would be 3 losses. Yeah, but anyway, Ole Miss,
• 1:28:26
  Florida's getting 10 1/2. Brian, what are you thinking?
• 1:28:29
  I'm going Ole Miss here. I think this is going to be at
• 1:28:31
  least a 2 touchdown victory for the Rebels there.
• 1:28:35
  I I really don't like what I've seen out of Florida.
• 1:28:38
  I know they've had a couple games where they've looked a
• 1:28:39
  little better than they did kind of the start of the year, but I
• 1:28:43
  think it's still a very middling team and and a team that really
• 1:28:48
  struggles to kind of put four quarters together.
• 1:28:49
  So I'm going to take Ole Miss in this one.
• 1:28:52
  I'm taking Ole Miss too because much like what UVA is doing for
• 1:28:55
  SMU, Florida is licking their chops at play in Florida State
• 1:28:59
  next week because they know they're going to get to a bowl
• 1:29:02
  and they go absolutely beat the dog shit out of Florida State.
• 1:29:04
  Ole Miss wins by 17. They keep the playoff folks
• 1:29:07
  alive. I think Florida's going to be in
• 1:29:10
  for a big time hangover, so I got Ole Miss.
• 1:29:15
  Give me all Miss Wayne gone. Do what he do, stay in his lane.
• 1:29:21
  Hey, back-to-back, back-to-back across the board.
• 1:29:26
  Across the board and see where we're wrong.
• 1:29:29
  All right, the one more game from the Music Man.
• 1:29:34
  He is traveling to Lawrence, where the Colorado Buffaloes are
• 1:29:38
  playing the Kansas Jayhawks. Buffalo Soldier Drilling Rasta,
• 1:30:01
  who bought the Buffalo Soldier in the heart of America storm
• 1:30:08
  from Africa and brought to America.
• 1:30:25
  Yeah. Hey, welcome back to another
• 1:30:38
  week of guitar licks and gambling picks.
• 1:30:41
  I'm Jason Long. Now for today I'm going all the
• 1:30:44
  way back to my week one pick, which was of course the
• 1:30:46
  Buffaloes of the University of Colorado.
• 1:30:49
  Now how's their season been going?
• 1:30:50
  Pretty good. They probably hit it to the Big
• 1:30:53
  12 championship game, maybe the College Football Playoffs.
• 1:30:56
  Chador's probably going to be the number one pick in this
• 1:30:59
  year's NFL draft. Travis Hunter's looking like the
• 1:31:02
  Heisman winner, and Coach Prime might even be headed to Dallas.
• 1:31:06
  More on that in a moment. Now this week, Colorado's hit it
• 1:31:10
  to Kansas to take on The Jayhawks.
• 1:31:13
  And Kansas did have a big win this past weekend, but so did
• 1:31:16
  Colorado. And Colorado is currently only
• 1:31:19
  laying 2 1/2 points against Kansas.
• 1:31:22
  So I'm going to take Colorado -2 1/2 versus The Jayhawks on
• 1:31:26
  Saturday. But first, let me talk to Dion
• 1:31:28
  for a moment. Now, you're probably not going
• 1:31:32
  to hear this, but we do know you do follow social media stuff, so
• 1:31:35
  who knows. Rumor is you want to take that
• 1:31:39
  Dallas Cowboys job. Well, really, you really want to
• 1:31:44
  go back to Jerry World and deal with that clown show because it
• 1:31:47
  seems like you got a pretty good gig where you're at.
• 1:31:49
  Colorado is a chill place to live.
• 1:31:51
  Queso Benito's back, the best player in the NBA, the Joker,
• 1:31:54
  and he's hanging out in Denver and, well, we've legal.
• 1:31:57
  So even when you lose, everybody's going to forget
• 1:31:59
  about it anyway. So you might want to think about
• 1:32:02
  it before you make that jump back to Texas.
• 1:32:05
  But don't take my word for it. There's another Colorado
• 1:32:07
  institution that has a song that, well, goes a little like
• 1:32:11
  this. This.
• 1:32:13
  Whole world is getting to me. There's no trust, no integrity.
• 1:32:23
  So I loaded. Up the kids, took the wife out
• 1:32:26
  of the home and I moved on out to Colorado farm hurting rice
• 1:32:37
  crops are all brownies. Those fries here sitting folks
• 1:32:40
  by the dog and that's cold beer bigger truck country and listen
• 1:32:53
  shit, we gotta tear and keep us warm.
• 1:33:00
  Well, that's what you get on. Hey Dion, you do you, but I
• 1:33:12
  would stay in Colorado. Most importantly, let's go ahead
• 1:33:15
  and take care of Kansas, Colorado -2 1/2 this Saturday.
• 1:33:20
  I'll see you all next week. Jason put a lot of time and
• 1:33:26
  effort and thought into that recording a.
• 1:33:29
  Little 2 for one special too. One special Oh my God, I'm about
• 1:33:34
  crying over here, especially using a South Park song.
• 1:33:39
  All right, so it is Colorado getting 2 1/2 points against
• 1:33:45
  Kansas at Kansas. Brian Ziegler.
• 1:33:48
  For every single reason that Jason just laid out, I'm going
• 1:33:51
  with the Buffaloes. Line of the year is weed is
• 1:33:56
  legal there, so even if you lose they're going to forget about
• 1:34:00
  it. Give me Colorado, they're not
• 1:34:01
  losing this one. They covered it 2 1/2 easy.
• 1:34:05
  Kansas has actually been one of the unluckiest teams in the
• 1:34:07
  country this year, which is why there were only 2.5 dogs to BYU
• 1:34:10
  last weekend. Turns out they won.
• 1:34:13
  So I I like, I like Kansas a lot better than some people do, but
• 1:34:16
  I just think Colorado has too much skill talent and they're
• 1:34:17
  going to they're going to find a way to win the game.
• 1:34:21
  Give me Colorado. Hey.
• 1:34:26
  Miranda and I would cross the ball.
• 1:34:28
  That's. Three in a row, man.
• 1:34:30
  Three in a row, Oh Lord. Oh, there it is.
• 1:34:37
  There it is. There it is.
• 1:34:38
  Look at. The bottle work there a lot of
• 1:34:39
  sheeps a. Lot of sheeps.
• 1:34:42
  We're all sheeps. Hey, you got to give Jason some
• 1:34:47
  props here. This that ASU pick.
• 1:34:50
  He went out on the ledge. He did go out on the ledge
• 1:34:53
  there. Not.
• 1:34:54
  Not a lot of parody this week. Not a lot of parody fellas.
• 1:34:57
  Anything Additionally y'all want to add the 9 before we wrap this
• 1:35:00
  show up? I like.
• 1:35:05
  Gently for the Heisman. Gently for the Heisman, all
• 1:35:09
  right. I think if it's not Hunter, it's
• 1:35:12
  gently so. I like gently, man.
• 1:35:14
  Ain't no lie, dude. But Hunter is just he's he's
• 1:35:18
  different. So we'll see.
• 1:35:20
  It'll be fun to see how it shakes out, yeah.
• 1:35:23
  Sometimes I need the junior to. Win a football game, that's what
• 1:35:26
  I need. I feel like Hunter is the the
• 1:35:29
  popular selection, whether it's going to, you know, go that way
• 1:35:32
  or not. Well, but he but he's doing it
• 1:35:34
  though. I mean, if he wasn't doing it,
• 1:35:37
  then you could say why. But he's making picks, he's
• 1:35:40
  making plays on the offensive side of the ball.
• 1:35:43
  You know what hasn't he done? Yeah, that's the whole piece.
• 1:35:46
  And and it's again, you know, the only 9.
• 1:35:49
  What is it? Woodson 27 years ago and Woodson
• 1:35:52
  did very minimal on offense that year.
• 1:35:55
  Yeah. So I I think it's Hunter.
• 1:35:57
  The the only way it wouldn't be Hunter would be the following if
• 1:36:01
  the next three games, the next three games, because Boise I
• 1:36:04
  think is automatically in the Mountain West.
• 1:36:07
  If if Gente gets to 2500 yards and 30 plus touchdowns then
• 1:36:13
  because that's Barry Sanders type shit.
• 1:36:16
  Yeah. You know, somebody said he's on
• 1:36:18
  Barry's pace, like Barry went for 2600 and like 11 games.
• 1:36:21
  He is not on Barry's pace. That was, I mean, I was 5, but I
• 1:36:26
  can remember going back and reading that and it's like, how
• 1:36:29
  do you have 2600 yards in 11 games?
• 1:36:33
  Do that math. All righty.
• 1:36:37
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• 1:36:39
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