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Embracing Adventure: Juliet Elliott on the Thrills of Cycling · Zone2Speak Podcast

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Welcome to ZONETOSPEAK. Today, we are joined by none other than Juliette Elliott,
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a hugely influential figure in the cycling world, a YouTuber,
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content creator, and all-around two-wheeled adventurer.
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Juliette has captured the hearts of the cyclists everywhere with her passion
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for all things biking, whether it's on a fixie bike, gravel grinding,
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hitting the trails on her mountain bike, or bikepacking around the globe.
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With a background as a pro snowboarder, Juliette brings a unique perspective
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to the sport, blending performance, creativity, and community.
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In this episode, we dive into Juliette's journey from the snow to the saddle,
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her rise as a leading voice in the cycling community, and how she uses her platform
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to inspire, educate, and entertain riders of all levels.
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We also chat about her recent accident in the Canaries and how her recovery
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is going and what's next.
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Get ready for an inspiring and fun conversation with one of the most dynamic
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personalities in the cycling scene. Juliette, welcome to Zone to Speak.
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Thanks, Julia. So happy you are here. So you have such a diverse career from
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professional snowboarding to cycling, plus all the amazing creations that you do online.
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Can you tell us a little bit about your journey in the extreme sports,
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how it began and what led you into cycling? Okay, sure.
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Well, the cycling came about because
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I was living in London and I had previously been a pro snowboarder.
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So I spent a lot of time in the mountains and then I joined a band and we toured quite a bit.
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After all that was over, I settled in London and I guess I felt like I was missing something.
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Well, something active or creative, I don't know.
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But I wasn't, I was just conscious of the fact that there was a bit of a gap in my life.
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Anyway I started commuting by bike and that
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did not fill that void it was just a mode
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of transport I wasn't particularly inspired by it at all but
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when I got into riding fixed gear bikes that's
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when I was like oh this is fun
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this is something I you know I just immediately loved
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it it was so fun and playful such a different way of
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you know almost like skateboarding you know
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the city's kind of like your playground and you have to spot lines
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and look ahead and you feel more it's such
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a cliche but you feel more at one with the bike you have to anticipate things
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and I just really really loved it so that's what sparked
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off the whole love of ever cycling fixie it is
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fun I have done a few times but when you
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race for me felt like it was an FTP
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test I was just dying yes
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well that's great racing for you yeah but I
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mean when I first started riding fixie bikes I
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wasn't crit racing I mean I smoked and drank a
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lot and was wow yeah I
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was not interested in health and fitness that's only something
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that's really happened as I've got older I suppose all the sports that I've
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done they were not for being fit or healthy they were purely for fun it's only
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now that I train and I take care of what I eat and stuff so yeah when I first
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started riding fixie bikes we were just goofing around and learning tricks and
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hanging out and drinking.
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I mean, that was a big part of it. We'd all meet up after work and,
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you know, have a few beers and play on our bikes. It was just really, really fun.
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But yeah, absolutely nothing to do with health and fitness.
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Oh, but that sounds fun. And, you know, that was what, 20 years something ago?
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I think it was like 2007.
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Oh, okay. Okay. Well, yeah, about 20. I'm about. yeah getting there oh my god.
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And and how did the ultra how did
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it evolve that you got interested into ultras oh okay
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well I guess I'm just I'm just
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really into cycling so obviously I follow all aspects of it and I do like looking
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at social media I'm watching people's YouTube videos and reading blogs and websites
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and stuff so I'm just aware of what's happening in the cycling industry And when Red Hook Crit,
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the biggest fixed-gear crit series, finished...
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Like when I was in London and I was looking to fill a gap I
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needed something new so the fit skill racing was kind
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of dead in the water people weren't doing that anymore but people
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were gravitating towards gravel biking and so
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like loads of other people I did the same and it
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felt like there was a similar sort of community you know
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like serious racing but fun parties
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nice people so I just
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that felt like a good fit for me so I started
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doing more gravel riding and that led
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into more bike packing and then I saw
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people doing ultras and I thought well that's a cool way of combining
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the two so I got the challenge of racing
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with the logistics of bike packing and
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you know my love of exploring it all sort of seemed to make sense that that
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would be something I would like so I just thought there's only one way to find
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out so I entered I entered one and of course I I loved it so yeah yeah it's
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addicting and yeah and you know you said something and it's.
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It just resonates because it's I think that's the coolest thing about the bike
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because you can do so many different things with it you know like mountain biking, graveling,
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fixie and then road I mean it's endless you know and with the mountain bike
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there are so many different disciplines and And so many things you can do or
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just ride, just for fun. That's what I also love about cycling.
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So tell us, I know you had a big setback with your accident when you were doing
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this stage race, right, in the Canary.
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Can you tell us what happened on your accident and how has your recovery been progressing so far?
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Okay, sure. Well, I was in the Canaries for an event called Gravel Grounds,
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which is not a race, but a supported event where they give you a stage each day.
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Essentially, you ride to a different camp spot and they take care of you and
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stuff. So it's like a challenge, but it's not actually racing.
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I mean, everyone races it. You know what these things are like.
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Officially, it's not a race. But anyway, I was out there and it was in La Palma
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and the first day, oh, it's just so annoying.
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The very first day there's this huge climb all
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the way up to the very very very top to the top of
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the volcano so we climb and
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climb and climb we climb for hours and I mean really hours
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and I got to the top I saw this amazing view and then it was time to descend
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and I thought yes this is the bit I really enjoy I mean climbing yeah okay I
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could take it on even it's a means to an end obviously there are aspects of
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it I like otherwise I wouldn't ride my bike up mountains but But the descending is the bit I like.
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And I was on a mountain bike, so I was just ready to shred, I suppose.
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So I grabbed some snacks from the aid station and then a set-off.
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And I passed a few girls on their gravel bikes.
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And I was going a fair bit quicker than them, thinking, this is great.
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I'm on the right bike for this. I'm on a mountain bike. I can go faster. Yeah.
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But just something, it was just bad luck. Just something went wrong. I lost traction.
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Obviously, I'm replaying it in my mind and I'm like, did I have too much pressure in my tires?
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Is it because I've not ridden my hardtail much before? It was a new bike.
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And normally when I'm riding mountain bikes, I'm riding, you know,
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more like a trail enduro bike. And maybe I should have taken more time to get used to that bike.
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Obviously, all these things go through your head. But anyway,
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the long and short of it is that I lost traction and I hit the ground very, very hard.
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Got an open fracture on my elbow, injured my ulnar nerve and got airlifted.
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And then I spent 12 days in hospital in La Palma where they operated.
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And now I'm back home. It's been five weeks, five weeks, I think, since the operation.
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And I would not say the recovery is going great, unfortunately.
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I'm having to see a bunch of different people. So I'm finally starting to get
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together this nice kind of whole group of people who are helping me and who
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know each other and are able to sort of work together.
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So a consultant, elbow specialist at physios and getting a nerve conduction
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test to find out what's going on with my nerve damage.
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And then aside from that, I am back on the turbo, but it's just,
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it's just not on linear process.
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I was literally just writing a caption for a reel before I
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spoke to you and it was a montage of
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all the training I did last week where I felt so positive and really productive
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so I'm like okay I did this this day this that day and I filmed the whole thing
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and I made this little reel this week I've just done nothing I was just everything
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felt so shit and I'm like I don't want to do it I don't want to do it I.
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So, yeah, it's very up and down at the moment whilst I, yeah,
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try and, I don't know, I think it's because although I'm turbo training and
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I like turbo training, I need to be outside.
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So that coupled with the fact, you know, I'm missing, I think this is going
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to sound so bleak, but I'm missing a bit of hope at the moment.
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So it's making me feel a bit down and then I'm not getting outdoors and then
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I'm quite grumpy at home. So it affects your relationship. so yeah it's been
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pretty tough basically.
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I'm sorry I mean you had big plans as well I mean I'm sure you can get this
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in your schedule you know next year but it's just a setback and I,
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understand the recovery road it's not linear and it's not easy you might have
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good days and then you have bad days but I don't know what to say just using
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it as my therapy session Viviana.
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Later on me it's all good it's all good i'm here for you you know i just i just
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feel so bummed that this happened because we had a conversation about what a
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month ago and you were so excited because you were going to nepal and then you
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had the mountain bike grangosh butchering then i can I can never pronounce that word.
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But I don't know. Grand Gatchay.
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And you're also so well known for the descents, but accidents happen, you know?
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Accidents happen and you can try to analyze and think over and over.
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We'll never know why that happened. So I think now you have to just focus on
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the recovery. And it's easier said than done, I know.
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So curiosity, you said you were airlifted. what
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happened to your bike was it airlifted with you no the organizers came and got
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it so because it was an organized event there were some other women there and
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they helped me they called the organizers waited with me looked after me which
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was just oh gosh could not have been,
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better it would have been so much worse if these lovely women hadn't been there
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to help me um so the organizers came down and were with me as well but unfortunately
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realized that the ambulance couldn't get down there so that's why they phoned
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for the helicopter and they took the bike and the bike just doesn't it doesn't
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even have a scratch only it can you believe.
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You know I had yeah I had an accident about five years ago and I wasn't even
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thinking about my bike but I remember this guy stopped and he was patting me
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you know like on my head and giving me water And then he said, your bike is okay.
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I wasn't even thinking about the bike, but I was like, okay, thank you.
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That was sweet so just going back to ultra what has been your favorite event
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so far and why okay um a couple of favorites all for different reasons so of
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course my favorite is the one i did with you juliana even though we dns.
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Yeah so when we went to race around rwanda and we had an absolute hilarious
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time lots of Oh my gosh, so much fun.
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You were in a lot of pain with your knee, which is less good for you.
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Despite all these setbacks and the fact we didn't even finish, it was just hilarious.
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A roller coaster of funny, weird moments and strange places that we slept and
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the food. It was so, so fun.
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So that's got to be my number one. But apart from that, I've had a really fun
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time doing Istra Land last year.
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So that's kind of short when it comes to ultras. I think it was about 450 kilometers,
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something like that. Yeah, yeah.
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Slovenia, Italy, Croatia.
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Yeah, that's it. Right. Yeah. So that one was really fun because it was hot
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and sunny and beautiful and kind of short. So I originally wanted to do that
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in one go without stopping.
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I didn't manage that but I still managed to do it
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pretty quick which I was pleased about so I think we set off at
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about 10 o'clock on Friday morning and I finished in the afternoon on Saturday
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so that felt pretty good considering I slept I'm still sort of undecided about
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where the balance is in you know how much to sleep and how how like are you
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quicker if you sleep more because you're more recovered?
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Or is it better to stop less? I don't know. So anyway, I'm still kind of figuring
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these kind of things out.
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Well, I was so excited.
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Dot watching you, Anistra, race. You were doing so well.
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I remember I was like, oh, my God, oh, my God, she's top, you know,
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she's second, she's third, she's top five. It's amazing. Oh, she's top five.
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No, you did really well. I'm super proud. And Rwanda, yeah, we had so,
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so much fun. It's also, I think, my top. Yeah.
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And, I mean, I just love racing with you. Like there's, even when we are in
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tough situations and hard times, we deal really well together and always with positivity.
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And I think if either of us are feeling grumpy, I think we never discussed this,
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but I think the cold word is I'm going to put my headset on my headphones and that's it.
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And then we're back and yeah, but on this leap, you know, as I've been talking
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to people now with the podcast, I've been getting mixed reviews.
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Like Justine Slebeka's, it's, you know, huge ultra cyclist.
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And he usually doesn't sleep much, but he said once, I don't remember what happened,
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but he was, oh, his battery, he forgot to charge his battery.
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So he had to stop to charge the battery. So he had a sleep and he performed so much better.
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So he was thinking, well, maybe I should sleep more because he did perform better.
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And then I was talking to Uba the other day, and he also
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thinks that sleep is not something that you can train but I
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think it's really finding what works for you yeah also
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the other thing it depends on what your goal is
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I suppose so I mean a big thing for me even more so now with the after the accident
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is that I want to stay safe you know I've got kids at home stuff so I I that's
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a priority above where I finish on the podium or in what whatever you know.
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So I definitely wouldn't go super sleep deprived for that reason,
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whether it affects my position or not.
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Yeah, I don't know. I thought also about like when I was in Brazil,
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I thought, okay, I'm going to try to do two days without sleeping.
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But when I got to CP1, it was around 270 kilometers.
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I could continue, but I thought, I think I'm just going to crash and die at some point, you know?
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Yeah, so I decided to sleep. I did sleep just two or three hours,
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and it was good just to keep going.
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But I don't know. I don't know if I can go. I think after two days,
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I'll probably just sleep another 20 hours, and we'll defeat the purpose of not sleeping.
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We didn't wake up, did we? Do you remember? Right? Yeah.
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We didn't hear both of our alarms. Woke up, nobody was there.
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So fun. And you are going back, right, now in 2025? Hello, we're in kindergarten.
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Sorry. Oh, damn it. Okay. No, you can swear. Yeah. No, no, no.
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Yeah, it's the beginning of February and I'm not even back on a bike. Oh, yeah.
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Again, I'm pulling out of that. I mean, I've got quite a few plans for next
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year, but the first one is not until, well, your birthday.
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But in terms of racing, it will be Gravel Birds in Portugal. Woo.
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Yeah. Reunited.
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I can't wait. and that should be beautiful too which also on this leap another
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point is I also want to see things yeah exactly you know yeah oh yeah I'm sorry
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yeah so February you're still recovering so hopefully strong enough to start
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getting outside as the weather gets better,
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and how do you usually prepare for these ultra cycling events both in terms
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of training and mindset?
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Well, obviously, the more you do them, the easier it gets. So I was really stressed
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before about the equipment side of things.
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But now, I mean, you have a list, right? You have a list and you know what works and what doesn't.
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And obviously you have to adapt it depending on the climate or,
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you know, that sort of thing.
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But I feel like I've kind of got that dialed. I know what stuff works.
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So I'm less fearful of making an enormous mistake with that.
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But in terms of training, well, long rides are the best thing,
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obviously, aren't they?
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But that can be a bit tricky because of
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my home life and stuff so I do do quite a lot of turbo training and
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to try and get me better at riding hills my coach often sets me
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kind of extended periods in zone three just
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and sort of leg strength stuff to try and build up climbing
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stamina and stuff but the nice thing
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about training for an ultra is the best thing you can do is just go and
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ride your bike for hours so that's really cool and
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then another way of preparing of course would be just to go on a
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long bikepacking trip and do loads and loads
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of miles and camp out and all that sort of thing so it's quite
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a nice thing to train for in terms of
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mindset I suppose you
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pick up techniques as you go along so I don't prepare in advance
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with my mindset it's more that whilst I'm racing
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I have little phrases or
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things that I can turn to so just things
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like I can't think of the exact phrase but I'm thinking
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of when I was at migration gravel race and there's this this
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horrible horrible washboard you just have to think to yourself it will not last
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forever it will not last forever around the corner there's something else because
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there always is like you're not going to literally be on washboard for 20 hours
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there's just no way so you learn to kind of.
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Yeah, deal with that, knowing that you've just got to get through this one section
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and then the next section will be different.
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There's always lots of ups and downs. So once you're kind of okay with that, you're all right.
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Then the other thing I do to prepare is I always download some podcasts and some audio books.
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And I like writing with those open ear headphones so that I can still hear what's
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going on and kind of keep myself entertained and stuff. So I have quite a specific,
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weird taste in audio books when I'm racing.
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It has to be something that's quite, I don't normally read books like this,
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but when I'm doing a race, it has to be almost a bit like a kind of novel that
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you would read on the beach, you know, like quite easy reading,
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quite sort of almost generic.
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I don't know, just something that doesn't take too much thought or concentration
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because you're also trying to navigate yourself and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, something that you don't have to pay attention 100% and focus.
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Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah.
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And I was going to ask next, and you touch on it a little bit on your family life.
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How is a typical day for you? Like, how do you balance everything?
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Because you are a huge YouTuber, content creator, you are a lot on the road,
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you know, bikepacking, doing events.
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And obviously, you have a family. how do you balance it all?
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Oh, so difficult because also you're just trying to keep everyone happy and yourself happy.
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And being a mom that does this sort of thing comes with a lot of guilt.
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I'm sure you've felt that as well.
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And you have to try and rationalize that and realize that you shouldn't feel
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guilty, but then obviously there's a limit.
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So my home life is.
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Slightly different to some families because we only have
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my daughter half of the time so we
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have my partner's kids the whole time and my daughter
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half the time so I do tend to try and do my trips when
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my daughter's not with us because at least it's fewer
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people for my partner to look after and
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also with me only seeing her half the time I don't want
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to go traveling and miss my week with her
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I want to be with her you know that's the most important thing so
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that's how I do most of the
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traveling I try and do it when she's not with us while
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still trying not to just abandon everyone the
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entire time in terms of home life and training oh
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god it's just so hard to fit everything in that's why I do so much turbo
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training and whilst I've been injured I
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am so amazed at how much extra time I've got like
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cycling is so time consuming but on
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a typical day I might get up at seven get
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I say I don't get four kids ready because we have
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a teenager he has he doesn't want me to get him ready
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three kids ready for school drive them to school get back here for like 9 30
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because the school run is so long and then I'll go straight on my turbo or straight
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in the gym because if I don't do that thing first, then that thing's probably not going to get done.
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The only exception would be if I have some other important deadline for a client
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I'm working with and I need to be at my computer.
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So then I'll try and get that done, try and get the training done,
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then get a bit of work done. And then 2.30, I have to go back on the school
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run and pick everyone up again.
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And then after that, it's all the kind of school run, gymnastics,
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after school clubs and stuff like that and I try not to do anything work-wise
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once I've picked the kids up but as a result I might then be on the turbo at
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9 30 in the evening if I hadn't managed to do it earlier,
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so you know the other day I was in the on the turbo everyone was in bed apart from our teenager.
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You just got to get it done how you can haven't you I mean the other thing is
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your advice because what I used to do in the past I would be like I haven't
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got time to do that workout so I just wouldn't do it and you're like well just
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doing something is better than not doing anything,
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so I have been doing that and that really helps with the whole family situation
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just do something Do what you can.
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Yeah, and I think psychologically too. When I don't have time,
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even if it's 15 minutes, just doing squats and lunges, I just mentally feel better.
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Because if I don't do anything, then I just feel so crappy.
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Yeah and yeah and i'm doing a lot of
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tour ball too because life is so busy and i'm tired
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of feeling guilty for missing workouts because
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i don't have the time you know to get outside because you have
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to get ready and then get the bike ready check the tires go
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outside and come back so i
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just told michael to during the week i just want to do the tour ball because
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i just don't want to be stressed of finding the time
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to go out exactly I
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mean with me as well like I can kind of gauge
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what's going on with the kids and then like for
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instance yesterday when I picked them all up from school and then I came back
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home people just not interested in hanging out with me that day some days they're
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all like mommy mommy mommy let's make cookies let's do this yesterday they're
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like we just want to watch tv mom so anyway they put on the tv and I'm like
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being around I'm thinking, I should make some time for my kids.
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And they were so not bothered that I was like, right, I'm going to go on the turbo.
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Good. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, you can play by ear and do something with them
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there and not feel guilty because they are into something else.
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But it doesn't work like that every time.
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And I know you're still recovering. And besides gravel birds in May,
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and we're traveling together in March. Yay.
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Anything else for the rest of the year or you don't want to think that
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far ahead well i made a
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list of things i was doing before i crashed so
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i do have a thing a few things penciled in
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oh yeah i see so i haven't
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entered the tracker which you haven't entered have you you
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still i have not okay i'll
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be i'm still thinking about it but i'll be our cheerleader oh great
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okay well I'm only doing 100 this time doing that with
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our good friend Anto and then the other
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things that I've got penciled in are mainly bike
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packing oh and so I
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put I have put question marks on a lot of these one of them is bright midnight
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you know Justina's oh yes yes yes that's in Norway so I'm quite tempted by bright
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midnight because obviously you'll be riding at night but it's still light,
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so that would be really cool and I love I think that one is amazing yeah yeah
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so I mean I think it'd be really difficult because of you know the climate and
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everything but I would like to be able to see like how long I can ride at night
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when it's not getting dark is it different how's it feel what's it like doing
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that I don't know I'm just curious.
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Then there's a new ground stage race in South Africa from the guys that launched Cape Epic.
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So that's called Gravel Burn. And I might try and do that. That's not till October.
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Then the other things that I've got penciled in, bikepacking with my good friend,
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Laura. We always do a trip. So that's got to go in there.
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Bikepacking Westfjords in Iceland. Bikepacking in Turkey.
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Yeah and then the other one
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is the slovenia west loop which is
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meant to be a cool bike packing loop in slovenia i've always wanted
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to go there and yeah that's it
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cool cool yeah the
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bright midnight is on top of my list but it's
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difficult because i have my daughter here in july
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so it's a month that it's i i want to really
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spend time with her but yeah i thought the same because
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it's daylight pretty much 24 hours
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it must be i mean of course
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norway it's super safe but it just there's a safety aspect of for me you know
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because being the dark i'm always a little bit scared so yeah and and it and
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the point you brought up on because you have daylight maybe you feel more awake
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and yeah you feel good so yeah keep me updated i want to hear more about that,
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it's a tricky one with the the kids isn't it because the other one that i'm
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interested in is silk road but that's in august i can't go away in august it's the school holidays.
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Yeah yeah it's tough can't do it all but little by little we'll get we'll cross
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them off the list exactly and how do you stay motivated inspired and keep pushing
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boundaries cycling in life,
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Well, I think I'm just inspired by the people I see around me.
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Like I know there's a lot of negativity about social media and stuff, but for me, it's great.
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You know, like I'm sitting on my turbo trainer upstairs and I've just installed
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this huge TV because I knew that I spent so much time on this.
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And so I watch other women's, I normally watch women.
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I watch other women cyclists' YouTube channels and I see the events that they're
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doing and I get inspired by it.
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And it makes me try harder on the turbo when I'm maybe feeling a bit like I can't be bothered.
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So it's the other people that are around me that are doing cool things.
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And then also I do quite like looking at books and stuff. So I've got quite
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a lot of books on epic bike rides and bikepacking routes.
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And my dad's super into maps. So I'll mention to him that I want to go to Slovenia
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and he's posted me a map with a little list of points and stuff like that.
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So I suppose I get that from him. Oh, how cute.
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Yeah, but I just, there's so many, there's loads of people doing cool stuff
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in the world, aren't there?
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And I really enjoy consuming all that kind of media and, you know, written stuff as well.
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And it gives me ideas for my trips.
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Yeah, I agree. I think social media, if used properly, it's an amazing tool.
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I also get inspired. Sometimes I don't feel like doing anything.
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And then I open Instagram and I see a story, you know, you or someone else,
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you know, running or being outside on the bike or on the tour ball.
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And I'm like, okay, let me shake it off the laziness and do something.
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And yeah, yeah. So that's good.
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So I have just some fun rapid fire questions.
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Favorite post-ride snack? or a meal? This is quite a hard one. It changes.
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Something really quick. Normally, it depends what it got in the fridge.
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So I'm really into kaffir.
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You know that? What is that?
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Kaffir or something like that. Kaffir. Yeah. Kaffir. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the yogurt.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I quite like having kefir with like berries and oats and things
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like that that's a really good one but then my other one that I would have would
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be sourdough toast with marmite on it and then cheese on top,
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we just don't compare you there rather than uh rather than anything particularly nutritious,
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but yeah normally I just have normally I don't get back from a ride absolutely
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starving because I eat on the ride so I don't have to just do like a big fridge
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raid and stuff my face so I'm okay,
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I'll just have a little snack and then I'll have dinner,
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And after a ride, what do you do first? Eat, shower or wash the bike? Eat.
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Yes. Dream cycling destination? Oh, there are so many I want to go to.
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I actually have a list open on my, on my, so I'm going to go through because
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I'm trying, I'm trying to like nail down what I want to do next year.
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Because like we were saying, I have a limited amount of time.
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So I have to kind of, I have to be really picky.
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So on my list, loads of these I've been to before, but I want to go again.
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So Cornwall, Scotland, Ireland, Slovenia, Nepal, Norway, Iceland,
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Sweden, Switzerland, Tuscany, Squamish, because seven measure from there,
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Corsica and California.
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Yeah, I have some of those places on my list. Yeah, I'd also like to go to maybe
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Vietnam or somewhere like that. I don't know. No, there's a plane.
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Hawaii? Yeah, I would love. We should plan a bikepacking in Vietnam,
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Laos, those places, you know, like the beach, sunshine.
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Yeah. Okay. Road bike, gravel bike, or mountain bike.
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You could only choose one. Gravel, for sure. Because it's just the most versatile, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah. But then it would depend on your area.
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True. Yeah. Yeah, so that would be situation-dependent.
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And what's one thing you always carry on a ride?
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One. Food? Water. Water. Water. Yeah.
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And who would be your dream cycling partner for a day? For a day? Oh, you, of course.
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I was going to say you can't say Sam but likewise,
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anytime Sam and I get to go for a ride together it's such a treat because it
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doesn't happen so often so I'm hoping that he's going to come and ride Stone
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Circle you know the gravel event,
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so hopefully it will be me and Sam and you, maybe Miguel Anto and all our friends
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together it should be fun,
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yeah you'll be awesome McLeary I think also is going so
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it will be fun all right well
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so nice to chat with you thanks for making the time
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and i'm wishing you a speedy and
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full recovery so we can do all those
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dream plans next year and yeah no brilliant well nice talking to you as always
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and yeah have a good weekend thank you and that's all for today's episode i
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