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Beautiful young joggers brutally raped, killed. 'Don't Be A Victim' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I didn't realize what I
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Speaker 1: was dealing with when I first worked on a case
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Speaker 1: where a jogger goes missing. I remember her name, Julie
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Speaker 1: Love in Atlanta. At the time, I was a felony
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and inner City Atlanta. She had been out jogging.
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Speaker 1: She was a kindergarten teacher, and she couldn't be found.
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Speaker 1: The investigation was fierce, and at one point, finally her
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Speaker 1: glass eye was found. To look at her, you would
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Speaker 1: never even though she had a prosthetic eye, but she did,
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Speaker 1: and that cracked the case wide open. Since that time,
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Speaker 1: over and over and over we hear about usually women
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Speaker 1: who go missing or end up murdered while exercising. Julie
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Speaker 1: was murdered, and there have been thousands of women who
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Speaker 1: go missing or are murdered since that time. When I
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Speaker 1: first encountered that case, I did not realize that her
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Speaker 1: disappearance and death was just the tip of the iceberg. Now.
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Speaker 1: So one of the reasons I wrote don't be a
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Speaker 1: victim Fighting back. I guess America's crime wave. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. One of the first chapters I worked
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Speaker 1: on was safe While exercising and joining me today is
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Speaker 1: the man whose daughter inspired me to spend months and
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Speaker 1: months researching and cultivating the information. Not to scare you,
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Speaker 1: but to arm you, to arm you with knowledge to
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Speaker 1: protect yourself and your family. My proceeds from this book
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Speaker 1: going to the National Center for Missing Unexploited Children. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. Give me a sense for the
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Speaker 1: timeline that day. That's a day that I will never forget.
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Speaker 1: I started to worry, which was unusual. I had a feeling,
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Speaker 1: so I called her three times, didn't answer, and I
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Speaker 1: went out looking for her. The panic just immediately set in.
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Speaker 1: It didn't seem to make sense to me. There was
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Speaker 1: no sign of her. Four hours after Phil's phone calls,
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Speaker 1: pings from Karna's cell phone led him and police to Karina,
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Speaker 1: you found your daughter. I did, with the help of
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Speaker 1: the PD. As a parent, I have a hard time
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Speaker 1: even getting my arms around them. I think as a parent,
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Speaker 1: you would rather you find a child than someone else.
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Speaker 1: It's the last act of protection you can give you
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Speaker 1: a child. No parent should ever have to go through
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Speaker 1: what Phil Vatronto has been through with the death of
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Speaker 1: his beautiful daughter Karina. With me today is Phil Vatronto
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Speaker 1: along with an all star panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. Doctor Bethany marsh psychoanalyst, joining
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Speaker 1: me out of LA. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Kurknurmi, renowned defense attorney and author
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Speaker 1: of Trapped with miss Arius Parts two and three on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Online dot com investigative reporter. And Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon and now the new star
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Speaker 1: of Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. To everyone
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Speaker 1: joining us, thank you. I want to go first to
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Speaker 1: Karina's dad, Phil. You and I taught and talked and
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Speaker 1: talked when we were pushing the acceptance of familial DNA
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Speaker 1: to be used across the country, and you inspired me
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Speaker 1: to work on a brand new series coming out called
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Speaker 1: Bloodline Detectives, which deals with cracking cases with familial DNA. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm no I idea. How much do you have affected
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Speaker 1: my life and the lives of so many other people,
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Speaker 1: particularly writing this book. Thanks to you, Phil. I know
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Speaker 1: you don't enjoy talking about this, but in this book,
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Speaker 1: one of the main chapters is safe while exercising. Please
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Speaker 1: tell us about the day Karina went missing. Well, she
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Speaker 1: went alone. She went alone in a secluded area. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there were many factors that should have told me and
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Speaker 1: should have told her not to go, not to go
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Speaker 1: where she went, but she did. And I had a
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Speaker 1: little intuition before she went. I told her, I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's a good idea, and she said, don't worry, Daddy,
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Speaker 1: I'll be okay. And she went off, you know, a
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Speaker 1: hundred yards from my house. She went into a trail
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Speaker 1: and it was a trail you had run many many
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Speaker 1: times with her. In fact, you guys normally ran together
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Speaker 1: like I would exercise with my dad for years and
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Speaker 1: years and years together. Yes, yes, we ran that trail
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Speaker 1: just the Saturday prior to the tours day when when
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Speaker 1: she was murdered. So what three days three days before?
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Bethany Marshall, Phil who I consider not
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Speaker 1: only as a colleague but a dear friend. Now he
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Speaker 1: and his wife who have just been to Hell and back.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said, Bethany, Because he said,
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Speaker 1: and you know what I want to ask you, because
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Speaker 1: I've asked you this before, he said, I had an intuition.
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Speaker 1: I told her I don't think you should go today,
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Speaker 1: and she said, I'll be fine, daddy, and left that
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Speaker 1: intuition And I can't explain it, but maybe you can, Nancy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we have a certain way of knowing that bypasses the
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Speaker 1: right lateral part of the brain, the part that is
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Speaker 1: responsible for language and speech and reading and all of that,
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Speaker 1: there's a whole other part of our consciousness that is
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Speaker 1: what we call prescient. It can help us to look
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Speaker 1: into the future and see what might happen. We could
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Speaker 1: call it psychic or having good judgment, intuition, whatever you
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Speaker 1: want to call it. We all have it. And this
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Speaker 1: book you're writing, you know safe while exercising. I would say,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what your research showed, but that following
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Speaker 1: your intuition is the number one thing that you need
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Speaker 1: to do. Phil had a bad sense. He did tell
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Speaker 1: his daughter and she went anyway. And the sound who
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Speaker 1: played earlier about him finding wanting to wishing that he
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Speaker 1: could have found his daughter. That it's a final act
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Speaker 1: of safety. I mean he had it from the moment
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Speaker 1: she went to exercise. And wait till you hear this
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Speaker 1: Bethany Pheel Carina had been gone for I don't know,
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes, and you had another overwhelming feeling. What
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Speaker 1: was it? Something was wrong. I was just sitting in
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Speaker 1: the are and just watching the lose my dinner, and
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Speaker 1: then this feeling just came over me. First it was slight,
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Speaker 1: and then it got stronger and stronger, like something was amiss. Now,
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Speaker 1: it was only twenty twenty five minutes after she left.
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Speaker 1: She shouldn't even been back yet. But I called her
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Speaker 1: and she didn't answer. I called her one minute later
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Speaker 1: and she didn't answer. I called her two minutes after
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Speaker 1: that and she didn't answer, and I gave out a yell.
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Speaker 1: Was a curse on the end of it. And my
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Speaker 1: wife had just came back from a dollar moret surgery.
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Speaker 1: I just picked her up at the hospital and she
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Speaker 1: was up in bed as she heard me yelling, she said,
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Speaker 1: what's the matter, And I said, Couena is not answering
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Speaker 1: the phone. I'm going out. She didn't even know care
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Speaker 1: anyone out. Oh how is that? You know? She didn't
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Speaker 1: even know what she went out last time she saw her.
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Speaker 1: She just came home from the hospital. She went upstairs
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Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, she hears She's dead.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance and the murder of a beautiful, beautiful and
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Speaker 1: brilliant young woman, Karina v Toronto. But she is not
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Speaker 1: the only one. I'm not saying that women shouldn't go exercise.
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Speaker 1: I do it every day if I can. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying don't wear a sports bra, don't wear tides. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's so miss Bogenists. But there
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Speaker 1: are ways for you to protect yourself. Don't be a
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Speaker 1: statistic I talk about it after so much. Took me
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Speaker 1: two years to research and write this book for you.
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Speaker 1: This is based on cases I investigated, thousands of them,
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Speaker 1: cases I personally tried, in cases I have personally covered,
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Speaker 1: including Carina Vatrano's case. Listen to this. Her body was
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Speaker 1: discovered just fifteen feet away from a trail that she
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Speaker 1: and her father ran together nearly every day, but back
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Speaker 1: pain forced him to stay at home the afternoon she
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Speaker 1: was killed. The retired firefighter now has a message of
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Speaker 1: his own for the attacker. Justice will be served. On Friday,
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Speaker 1: detectives discovered a sneaker and headphones near the crime scene
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Speaker 1: and sent them in for testing in the hopes of
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Speaker 1: finding fingerprints or DNA evidence. Meanwhile, the Toronto's devastated parents
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Speaker 1: lead their daughter to rest Saturday. Her casket was met
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Speaker 1: with salutes as hundreds gathered for the funeral. Even actor
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Speaker 1: Donnie Walber took a moment this weekend to remember her,
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Speaker 1: writing on Twitter, I've met thousands of amazing New Yorkers
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Speaker 1: while filming Bluebloods. None were as kind as Karina Vatranto.
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Speaker 1: So many people attended Saturday's funeral service, so they had
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Speaker 1: to set up speakers outside where people were standing. Anyone
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Speaker 1: with information will now get a ten thousand dollar reward
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Speaker 1: for information that leads to an arrest. If we can stop,
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Speaker 1: if we can prevent one person from being attacked while exercising,
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Speaker 1: this will all be worth it. Now you can hear
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Speaker 1: with us today feel Vatronto speaking so calmly, so coherently,
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Speaker 1: but as it always been that way. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend Lindsay Davis at ABCGMA, just one day
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Speaker 1: laying their thirty year old daughter Karina to rest. Both
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Speaker 1: of her parents spoke publicly, but it was her mother
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Speaker 1: who had some especially blistering words. To stress her point.
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Speaker 1: She started off by taking off her sunglasses and telling
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Speaker 1: everyone to look in her eyes as she could address
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Speaker 1: the man directly that she called a coward. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: you you will pay forever a mother's unbridled pain and
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Speaker 1: anguish on full display done. We're going to have a
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Speaker 1: faith to the piece of garbage that you are. On
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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, Kathy Patrono shared this chilling message to the
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Speaker 1: person who killed her daughter, Corina. The whole entire world
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Speaker 1: knows what a pathetic, puny, weak piece of filth that
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Speaker 1: you are. These words are the first we've heard from
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Speaker 1: Viatronto's family since thirty year old was found dead less
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Speaker 1: than a week ago. You were hearing Karina's mother speaking out,
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Speaker 1: lashing out. But I can tell you during the trial
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Speaker 1: of Karna's killer, an attacker, there were times she had
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Speaker 1: to be helped to carry, to almost carry her, lift
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Speaker 1: her to walk out of that courtroom. She was so
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Speaker 1: racked with pain hearing the evidence. I remember she was
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Speaker 1: actually holding onto I thought she was kissing a crucifix
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Speaker 1: for strength to get her through the trial. Now you'll
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Speaker 1: hear her father, Phil Vatrono, describe how healthy, how physically fit.
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Speaker 1: And if you go on crime online dot Com, look
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Speaker 1: at Karna Vatronto. She looks like she works out every day,
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Speaker 1: very strong. Listen to Chris Hanson Crime Watch, Deli and
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Speaker 1: Boys tells me what they found made even a hardened
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Speaker 1: detective turn away. Give me a sense for the injuries
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Speaker 1: Karina summer facial injuries. She also had bruising on her body.
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Speaker 1: We believe from being dragged through those weeds LB area.
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Speaker 1: So that's who we believed where that bruising on her
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Speaker 1: body came from. And when you found her, she was
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Speaker 1: still grasping to the weeds. She had the weeds, stems
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Speaker 1: of the weeds in her hands. What does that tell
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Speaker 1: you she thought not to go into those weeds. Karina's
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Speaker 1: dad took me to that jogging trail and Howard Beach
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Speaker 1: where police found his beautiful daughter. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: this person was waiting for her. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: this person was following her. Philips Rono, your daughter. You
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Speaker 1: would think, because she was so physically fit, she could
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Speaker 1: have fought back and won. Right. Well, man, shoot, I
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Speaker 1: have to tell you Karina. For those who don't know
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Speaker 1: it was four eleven, one hundred pounds. She looked extremely fit,
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Speaker 1: and she was. But when someone outweighs you by fifty
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Speaker 1: pounds and as a foot toiller, and this is the key,
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Speaker 1: he sucked punched her. He hit her from behind. She
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Speaker 1: was passing him, you know, not probably giving her second thought,
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Speaker 1: and then he turned on her. So she was definitely
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Speaker 1: if I was a fan fight, she would definitely have
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Speaker 1: gotten away. But he suckered her, and he did outweigh
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Speaker 1: her and was a foot toiller. Then her four eleven's
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Speaker 1: a little baby. The man who attacked and killed her.
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Speaker 1: Channel Lewis had been spotted in the neighborhood before, walking
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Speaker 1: around with I think it was a crowbar, looking in
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Speaker 1: cars and homes. A police officer saw him. There wasn't
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Speaker 1: enough cause to arrest him for anything, but he made
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Speaker 1: a note in his police notebook, and because of that note,
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Speaker 1: when the trail went dead and finding Karna's killer, that
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Speaker 1: notebook was resurrected, and that person, Chanelle Lewis turned out
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Speaker 1: to be Karina's killer. You are hearing her dad describing
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Speaker 1: how physically fit she was, but she was no match
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Speaker 1: for a guy that snuck up on her and Sucker
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Speaker 1: punched her. Would you say, let me go out to
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Speaker 1: Kirk Nurmi. This is or now defense attorney that very
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Speaker 1: often in cases like this, the woman is taken by surprise.
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Speaker 1: It's more like a crime of opportunity. You don't always
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Speaker 1: think of the defendant lurking waiting on an empty stretch
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Speaker 1: of road, waiting for somebody to run by. They see
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Speaker 1: the person and attack, right, I mean, I think you're right, Nancy. Sadly,
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Speaker 1: we have a lot of people in the of this
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Speaker 1: mindset that are looking kind of looking for that crime
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Speaker 1: of opportunity. He right, this is why he's lurking around
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Speaker 1: the cars, This is why he has a crowbar, this
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Speaker 1: is why he's doing this. He's looking for these opportunities,
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Speaker 1: and when it came, he decided to take advantage of it,
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Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, is to play out
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Speaker 1: his sick, twisted game. And this is exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: Because we have to be and this is why we
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Speaker 1: have to be aware that there are people like this
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Speaker 1: all around us that require us to be conscious of
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Speaker 1: everything and every place that we're at. And as it
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Speaker 1: turned out to doctor Bethany Marshall, this guy Chanelle Lewis
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Speaker 1: had a very deep seated hatred of women. But how's
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Speaker 1: Krona is supposed to know that she passes a guy
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Speaker 1: and has no idea who this guy is. Just like
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Speaker 1: when I go walking or jogging or biking, I don't
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Speaker 1: know who I'm passing. Nancy, a deep seated hatred for women.
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Speaker 1: Probably a serial killer in the making, serial rape fist,
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Speaker 1: somebody who actually has a compulsion to torture and to kill.
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Speaker 1: That who's who Chanel was. And if you think about
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Speaker 1: the fact that he was walking around the neighborhood with
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Speaker 1: a crowbar looking in cars, that speaks to somebody who
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Speaker 1: is so preoccupied with doing damage to another human being
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Speaker 1: that that is their only motivation in life. So Corina
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Speaker 1: didn't have a chance once she passed this guy on
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Speaker 1: the trail. He had been practicing for this moment for
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Speaker 1: months and perhaps even for years. They practiced, they think
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Speaker 1: about it, they fantasized about it. So the victim has
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Speaker 1: no chance. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we've been talking
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Speaker 1: about Karina Vatrano and how to protect yourself when you're exercising.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the name Molly Tibbitts, I do listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at w o I TV five Des Moines.
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Speaker 1: This is not like her. Dalton Jack is living in
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Speaker 1: a nightmare. I figured i'd speak to her in an
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Speaker 1: hour or so, and right now it's one he can't
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Speaker 1: wake up from. I came home as soon as her
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Speaker 1: mom said that she called the hospital and she wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: The last time the twenty year old saw Molly was
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday at ten pm when he opened a snapchat
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Speaker 1: from her. It was just a selfie with the caption
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Speaker 1: and I don't remember what the caption said, but it
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Speaker 1: looked like she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: hear from her again. When he said her early Thursday morning,
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Speaker 1: he didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her
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Speaker 1: friend called late that afternoon. One of her co workers
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Speaker 1: called me, said Molly had not called in to work
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Speaker 1: that day and she hadn't showed up. And then I
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Speaker 1: looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or read
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Speaker 1: any of them. So I started getting in contact their
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Speaker 1: friends and her family, saying, hey, have you seen her?
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Speaker 1: Have you heard from me? Of course, the boyfriend is
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Speaker 1: always the first place you look at when a woman
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Speaker 1: goes missing. That was not the case with Molly Tibbots.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at ABC, Alex Perez.
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Speaker 1: The search for missing Molly Tibbots has come to a
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Speaker 1: tragic end today. A body was discovered early this morning
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Speaker 1: in a farm field southeast of Brooklyn, Iowa. We believe
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Speaker 1: it to be the body of Molly Tippots. She was
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Speaker 1: found in a cornfield and there were cornstocks placed over
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Speaker 1: the top of her and tonight a suspect in custody,
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Speaker 1: twenty four year old Christian Rivera. Police a Rivera led
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Speaker 1: them to her body this morning and confessed to her murder.
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Speaker 1: The case will be prosecuted by the Iowa Attorney General's
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Speaker 1: Area of Prosecution Division, and first degree murder carries a
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Speaker 1: penalty of life without the possibility of parole. According to authorities,
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Speaker 1: Rivera encountered Molly Tibbots near the intersection of Boundary and
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Speaker 1: Middle Streets in eastern Brooklyn while she was out Johnkie.
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Speaker 1: He actually tells us that he ran alongside of her
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Speaker 1: or behind her, and then at one point he tells
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Speaker 1: us that Molly grabbed a hold of her phone and said,
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Speaker 1: you need to leave me alone. I'm going to call
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Speaker 1: the police. And then she took off running. He in
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Speaker 1: turn chased her down. This shows that no matter where
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Speaker 1: you are, there are people around predators. Just like out
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Speaker 1: on the serengetti. When you think of the gazelle joining
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Speaker 1: each other at the water, the side of the water,
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Speaker 1: and in the distance, there lurks a predator waiting for
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Speaker 1: one gazelle to be the slowest. We're talking about safe
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Speaker 1: while exercising, and I want to go to you, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I also say, as much as I've done
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Speaker 1: it because of my schedule, try not to run at
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Speaker 1: night or at night fall. Molly Tibbots was running around
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Speaker 1: night fall. Also, I say take id, whether it's your
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Speaker 1: driver's license, library card, a scrap of paper stuffed down
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Speaker 1: your sports brawl with your name, address and number when
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Speaker 1: you need help. This helps first responders identify who you are.
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Speaker 1: I also tie my key into my shoelaces in my
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Speaker 1: hands are totally free. And don't put earbuds in your ears.
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Speaker 1: Don't do it. Phil was Karina jogging with earbuds? Yeah
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Speaker 1: she was, and she always did you know she had
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Speaker 1: a music playing. She was oblivious to what was going
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Speaker 1: around around her situation. She often described in her writings
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Speaker 1: how she would put her earbuds in and hit the
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Speaker 1: pavement and all the bs that happened during the day
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Speaker 1: would all fade away. So she was actually in a
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Speaker 1: very spiritual place at that time, you know she was,
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Speaker 1: she was with gone. You know, we're not happy. You know, Phil,
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Speaker 1: I do it too. I wrought jog or run or
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Speaker 1: walk with earbuds, and I've quit since I met you
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Speaker 1: and learned about Karina because one of the last video
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Speaker 1: surveillance it was her jogging by and you can distinctly
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Speaker 1: see I think it was a chord from earbuds. All
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Speaker 1: of this so important to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics.
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Speaker 1: When Molly Tibbitts was found, no ID, nothing on her.
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Speaker 1: We know the perp came up beside her, kept kind
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Speaker 1: of jogging beside her. She said, go away or I'll
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Speaker 1: call police. That pushed him over the edge. Why is
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Speaker 1: it so important to have some kind of ID on you. Well,
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Speaker 1: obviously you want to, you know, have have proof of
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Speaker 1: who you are relative to the people that you're going
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Speaker 1: to encounter on the road. But in Molly's case, you know,
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Speaker 1: I sit there and I think about this guy was
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Speaker 1: literally laying in wait for her. He is a predator.
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Speaker 1: Just like with Phil's beautiful daughter, This guy, the scumbag,
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Speaker 1: was a totally incomplete predator. And what happens, unfortunately many times,
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Speaker 1: is you have what's referred to as asymmetry with these
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Speaker 1: with these attacks, you've got people that are in a
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Speaker 1: dominant position over somebody that's in a very weakened state.
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Speaker 1: They see them, they go after them, and unfortunately they
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Speaker 1: wind up ripping them to shreds. Another out of pages
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Speaker 1: and pages of pages of tips for you that I've
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Speaker 1: gleaned from cases, some of which you're hearing about today.
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Speaker 1: Don't leave home. Don't get angry, because nobody ever tells
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Speaker 1: us to men, But don't leave home without letting someone
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Speaker 1: know you're heading out, whether it's day or night. Texts,
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Speaker 1: call email, somebody you trust. I'm going jogging. I remember
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Speaker 1: so many nights before the twins were born. I would
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Speaker 1: get home from doing my program at h l N
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Speaker 1: plus Larry King. After that, that would be ten o'clock
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Speaker 1: at night. I would get home and then go jogging
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Speaker 1: on the East River in New York at say eleven
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Speaker 1: ish o'clock. That is crazy talk, but nobody could tell
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Speaker 1: me different. I would, however, take my phone with me,
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Speaker 1: not use earbuds, and would text somebody and let them
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Speaker 1: know where I was going. Do you remember, Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: When Molly first went missing, a lot of people thought
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Speaker 1: she was last at the home of her boyfriend who
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Speaker 1: was out of town doing online homework, because she had
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Speaker 1: posted a picture or something like that of her there
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Speaker 1: doing homework. So a lot of people thought she had
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Speaker 1: gone jogging and come back because no one knew where
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Speaker 1: she was or that she was going jogging. You remember that,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott? Yeah, I do, Dancy, and I remember at
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Speaker 1: the time you and I were actually covered in this
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Speaker 1: case together when Molly disappeared, And do you recall also,
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Speaker 1: there were all of these signs she was Do you
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Speaker 1: remember people were spotting her in like four or five
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Speaker 1: different states, far flung areas, and all the while there
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Speaker 1: her body lay in that cornfield after weeks, after weeks,
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Speaker 1: where this guy had placed her there, and no one
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Speaker 1: had any idea where she had wound up. You know.
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Speaker 1: Phil Vatronto, father off Karina Vatronto, often called the Long
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Speaker 1: Island Jogger. Phil. When I think about Chanel Lewis and
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Speaker 1: his hatred of women, and the guy that murdered Molly Tibbitts.
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Speaker 1: Remember he had put Molly in his trunk, yes, and
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Speaker 1: then he said he looked down and saw blood on
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Speaker 1: his hands and went, oh, yeah, she's in my trunk
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Speaker 1: and went and hid her in a cornfield. That guy's
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Speaker 1: not in sign that his total b s. He murdered
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Speaker 1: her and he had the wherewithal to go hide her
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Speaker 1: body and stay quiet as a search for her raged
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Speaker 1: on around him. And my point being, you look around,
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Speaker 1: you don't know who's legit and who was like Chanelle Lewis, Well,
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Speaker 1: there were signs. There were a lot of signs. I
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Speaker 1: mean he was he was, excuse me. And when he
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Speaker 1: was in high school, you know, he actually got put
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Speaker 1: into a special school for a troubled students, for troubled children,
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Speaker 1: for troubled kids because he had behavioral issues and he
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Speaker 1: was doing well in high school. But when he got out,
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Speaker 1: his family dropped the ball. He no longer went to therapy,
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Speaker 1: he no longer took his medication, and they just used
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Speaker 1: to let him roam the streets at night. He was
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Speaker 1: a chicking time bomb. That's exactly right. You said it
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Speaker 1: exactly gree Way, that's where he was, and you mentioned
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Speaker 1: it before. He was definitely a serial killer. In the
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Speaker 1: making Crime Stories with Nancy Grace guys two years and
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Speaker 1: literally thousands of individuals, whether they were part of investigations,
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Speaker 1: prosecutions or cases that I covered. People I met that
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Speaker 1: changed the course of criminology, like Phil Vatrano, are all
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Speaker 1: in this book. My proceeds going to National Center Missing
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Speaker 1: Exported Children. Don't be a victim. Fight back against America's
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Speaker 1: crime wave. Fight back against the Chanel lewis Is of
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Speaker 1: this world lying in wait. You have heard about Carina,
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Speaker 1: You've heard about Molly. Listen to this. A murdered Midlothian
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Speaker 1: woman was remembered as a devoted mother who motivated others.
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Speaker 1: Forty five year old Missy Beavers was found dead inside
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Speaker 1: Creekside Church of Christ's last Monday. Police say she was
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Speaker 1: ambushed and died from a blow to the head. At
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Speaker 1: her funeral yesterday and walks a Hatchee. Family and friends
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Speaker 1: described Beavers those she loved her for fitness. First, she
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Speaker 1: was alom, she was just she was a mom, and
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Speaker 1: she loved everybody, and she loved her husband a babysit
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Speaker 1: when they had date night, and this is just very difficult.
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Speaker 1: Police are still looking for the person who killed Missy Beavers.
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Speaker 1: Midlothian Police released more surveillance video Friday of the person
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Speaker 1: walking around Creekside Church of Christ wearing police tactical gear.
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Speaker 1: That person is believe to be the one who killed Beavers. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course it is here. You've got Missy Beavers, a
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Speaker 1: mom of several little, beautiful little girls. She was teaching
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Speaker 1: gladiator training classes. This woman is so fit and where
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Speaker 1: else could you be safer. She's in a very small town, Midlothian, Texas,
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Speaker 1: and she goes to teach the class at the church
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Speaker 1: at about four or five o'clock in the morning so
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Speaker 1: other moms can come and work out before they take
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Speaker 1: their children to school. She is attacked in the church
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Speaker 1: and murdered. You were listening to our friend Justin Shannon
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Speaker 1: Murray at KDFW Fox four talking about the death of
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Speaker 1: this mom, Missy Beavers, straight out to Dave Mattcrime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, what happened in the Missy Beavers case.
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Speaker 1: It's still open, Nancy. It's one of those I hate
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Speaker 1: to call a murder a mystery, okay, like it's some
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Speaker 1: kind of entertainment. What happened here is there was surveillance
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Speaker 1: video inside the church. As you mentioned, Missy Beavers was
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Speaker 1: there to teach a class. She arrived at four twenty
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Speaker 1: that morning to the church. By five oh six she'd
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Speaker 1: been murdered. On that surveillance footage, police were able to
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Speaker 1: see some person I can't even say it's the man.
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Speaker 1: It was an individual approximately five foot two to five
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Speaker 1: foot six, dressed in tactical gear. Police swat tactical gear
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Speaker 1: at about three fifty that morning, roaming the hallways of
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Speaker 1: this church. We know that Missy got there at four twenty,
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Speaker 1: and we know at some point in time Missy came
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Speaker 1: in contact with this individual walking around that church, breaking
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Speaker 1: windows and doing other assorted things. And by five oh
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Speaker 1: six that morning, her students taking her exercise class called
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Speaker 1: nine one because she was dead. Ye. That goes back
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Speaker 1: to when Carina or Molly they were jogging on their
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Speaker 1: own an isolated area. Here, Molly, Missy Beavers is going
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Speaker 1: into a completely empty church at a very odd hour
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Speaker 1: when no one is out in about four o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning, This does not mean you have to stop
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Speaker 1: living the life the way you live it, but be careful.
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Speaker 1: For instance, if you have to run at night, minimize
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Speaker 1: your risks to a route you've run before so you
32:36
Speaker 1: know the pitfalls and the danger areas. If you can
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Speaker 1: run in a neighborhood of homes, why because most likely
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Speaker 1: people are home, not in a rural area, which I've
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Speaker 1: done many times, where there's nowhere to run too. I
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Speaker 1: remember when the woman I started this program with, Julie Love,
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Speaker 1: was out jogging. She realized she was being followed, so
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Speaker 1: she ran up to a house. It was in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the day, nobody was home, but she pretended
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Speaker 1: to be going in the home. Her purps waited until
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Speaker 1: she came out, and that's when they attacked her. But
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Speaker 1: you've got a better chance in a neighborhood of houses
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Speaker 1: that you can't approach. If long work hours make it
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Speaker 1: impossible to run during the day, just consider working home,
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Speaker 1: out at home or at a gym. To fill the
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Speaker 1: Toronto Karina's father. Here, you've gotten Missy Beavers, who, for
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, taught gladiator classes. Have you seen a picture
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Speaker 1: of her her biceps? I bet they're bigger than yours,
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Speaker 1: filled the Toronto and you are fit. I mean this
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Speaker 1: woman was so buff. If it had been a fair fight,
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Speaker 1: she would have won. I'm telling you, just like with Corina,
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Speaker 1: no matter how fit you think you are, you're not
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Speaker 1: a match for somebody that takes you by surprise, comes
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Speaker 1: up from behind, or sucker punches you. That's why the
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Speaker 1: only way you can fight Bat is to follow tips
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Speaker 1: and be careful. Now, speaking of your route, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if this name rings a bell to you, but
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Speaker 1: it does to me. Ali Bruger take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at w x y Z seven Detroit. It
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Speaker 1: was on a Saturday afternoon in July when thirty one
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Speaker 1: year old Ali Bruger was abruptly shot and left for
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Speaker 1: dead during a routine ten mile run on fish Lake
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Speaker 1: Road in Holly. Three years since her passing, and her
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Speaker 1: parents say the pain of losing their only child hits
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Speaker 1: just as hard today as the day they learned she
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Speaker 1: would never come home, and says happened our life. There's
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Speaker 1: no Jilly, just nothing. Her mother, Nikki, still drives her
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Speaker 1: daughter's old red Hundai as a way, she says, to
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Speaker 1: keep her close, while her father struggles to face a
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Speaker 1: new normal. You think maybe she's on vacation of something,
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Speaker 1: she's at work, and so on. Don't you don't really
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Speaker 1: think about it that she's gone for good. She worked
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Speaker 1: hard to be a nurse, she worked hard to Thomas
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Speaker 1: complete that master's um, and for somebody to just snuff
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Speaker 1: out her life like that, just for what reason? I
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Speaker 1: need to know why the case still unsolved. Ali had
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Speaker 1: gone running on a Saturday was July thirty, twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 1: and this is significant. It was a familiar route. She
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Speaker 1: had been jogging almost every day for the past ten years.
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Speaker 1: It was two thirty broad, a daylight, herself, no theft,
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Speaker 1: no rate that we know of. What was the motive
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Speaker 1: she was gunned down on this route? And that is
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Speaker 1: why I advise change your route. You know, every day
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Speaker 1: when I go jogging or running, I turn the same way.
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Speaker 1: I always turn left, I do the same loop. Once
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Speaker 1: in a while I take a different route home. That's
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Speaker 1: totally not a good idea. Explain it, Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: You know, people will become particularly if you you know,
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Speaker 1: I used the word predator a few moments ago, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The idea is that these people watch. They watch for
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Speaker 1: recurrent patterns. You know you mentioned the gazelle at the
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Speaker 1: watering hole. They watch to strike at any moment in time,
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Speaker 1: and by not readjusting, they can time what you're gonna do,
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Speaker 1: day after day after day, and no wait till it's
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Speaker 1: at their advantage to strike when no one else is around.
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Speaker 1: By varying that pattern, you throw them off. You don't.
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Speaker 1: They don't know where you are when you're going to
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Speaker 1: leave the house. This was a predictable route that Ali
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Speaker 1: Brugger took every single day. Now her parents not only
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Speaker 1: are left wondering what happened, but are waiting for justice
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Speaker 1: to play out. This book is not to scare you.
37:09
Speaker 1: This book is based on thousands of cases compiled together
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Speaker 1: to arm you with evidence that may save your life.
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Speaker 1: You know what, after my fiance's murder, my life didn't
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Speaker 1: mean very much to me. I would do anything, regardless
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Speaker 1: of the risk. But now that I have the twins,
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Speaker 1: I'm dedicating my life to protecting them as long as
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Speaker 1: I can, and that means having a mother. Don't be
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Speaker 1: a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,