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Rams and Patriots WIN, Harbaugh in a New York State of Mind · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff Three
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Speaker 1: and Out podcast. How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is
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Speaker 1: doing well. We had a massive day. The Rams and
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Speaker 1: the Patriots advance to the final four. They will take
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Speaker 1: on obviously the Broncos, who don't have a quarterback, well
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Speaker 1: they have George Didham, but now they're starting quarterback. And
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks next Sunday, so that's exciting. I haven't talked
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Speaker 1: about so we'll talk about both games today. Big stories, situations,
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Speaker 1: the Bears, the Patriots. I mean, these franchises were dead.
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Speaker 1: Now they've been resurrected. CJ. Stroud's performance, Sean McVeigh and
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Speaker 1: the toughness that his team displayed. I do need to
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Speaker 1: talk about John Harbaugh, who signed a massive contract with
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Speaker 1: the New York Giants, and the good and the bad
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Speaker 1: miss an episode. For the video standpoint, but let's talk
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Speaker 1: some football, So let's start with the Bears in the Rams.
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Speaker 1: Obviously the Rams get a massive win, and I big
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Speaker 1: picture thought before we talk anything specific with football, as
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Speaker 1: someone that does this for a living. Who since I
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Speaker 1: graduated in as an undergrad from cal Poly, who's now
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Speaker 1: being led by my guy Tim Skipper and is going
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Speaker 1: to resurrect that program, And even at cal Pauly, I
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Speaker 1: helped out with the football program through what I'm doing now.
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Speaker 1: Football has been a massive part of my life. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I played in high school. I wasn't any good, but
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Speaker 1: I've loved football since I was a little kid, since
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Speaker 1: I was probably seven eight years old. They say when
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Speaker 1: you're eight years old. I read this in a study once.
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Speaker 1: I actually hit my buddy Guy read this in a study.
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Speaker 1: He was on the podcast last week and told the
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Speaker 1: story when we were on air one day, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, ah, that makes sense somewhere between like eight
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Speaker 1: to ten. But starting at eight, whoever your favorite team is,
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Speaker 1: whoever your favorite player is, usually shaped you as a
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Speaker 1: sports fan the rest of your life. Like usually the
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Speaker 1: team that you rooted for as an eight year old
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Speaker 1: as a team you take the rest of your life.
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Speaker 1: And when I was eight ninety ten, my favorite team
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Speaker 1: was the forty nine ers. They had Steve Young, Jerry Rice,
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Speaker 1: and they were playing the Cowboys and going to the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and winning it. So that just led me
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Speaker 1: to my love of football. And then right there Brett
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Speaker 1: Favre comes and I was hooked for life and still am.
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Speaker 1: And I was just pacing up around this office watching
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Speaker 1: the final stretch of that game and the regulation through overtime,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's really really cool when a brand
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Speaker 1: that should matters, that historically has mattered, that's been down
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Speaker 1: and out matters again. And I think the one thing
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Speaker 1: about and I've told I said this to Coward, I
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Speaker 1: feel like I watched more Bear football this season start
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Speaker 1: to finish fifteen or sixteen games and obviously the last
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Speaker 1: several months you didn't miss a snap. And it is that.
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Speaker 1: The difference of the NFL and college is obviously the pageantry,
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Speaker 1: but more specifically like a college, a lot of the
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Speaker 1: big teams, their stadiums are bigger, the the I don't know,
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Speaker 1: theater around the game right, the pregame, the tailgating, the
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Speaker 1: experience with the alumni is just pretty special. I always
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Speaker 1: said when I worked in radio and it was around
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Speaker 1: the Raiders I thought it was really really cool, and
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Speaker 1: Al Davis was dead by then, but Mark was there
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Speaker 1: that they were so good with their former players. I
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Speaker 1: mean their statement was once a Raider, always a Raider.
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Speaker 1: It had like a collegiate feel, and they were always welcome,
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Speaker 1: and guys from the seventies the eighties they were always around,
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Speaker 1: and it was just obviously the Raiders were bad, but
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Speaker 1: the passionate fan base. They just wanted to win so bad.
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Speaker 1: And obviously the Bears are a lot like this. They're
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Speaker 1: one of our best and biggest cities in this country.
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Speaker 1: I went there for the first time this year and
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Speaker 1: obviously stayed in the in the Burbs with Coward, and
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Speaker 1: it was like, this place is fucking beautiful. You know,
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Speaker 1: in a different life, I could have lived there. I've
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Speaker 1: always said this about Philly. The thing I loved the
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Speaker 1: most about Philadelphia in my time there. Didn't love the cold.
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Speaker 1: I love like the character of the people. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think their fans get a bad rap. I liked
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Speaker 1: it their people. I don't know, there was just like
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Speaker 1: a defined individual. You know, they get stereotyped and there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of truth to it. But I kind of
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Speaker 1: resonated with those people, and I think a huge reason
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Speaker 1: was the Eagles were the number one thing in their
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Speaker 1: life besides like their family, right, or their job, Like
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Speaker 1: the Eagles meant so much to that city, and like
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Speaker 1: football means a lot to me. And I talk about
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Speaker 1: football because I love it, and obviously I'm lucky a
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Speaker 1: lot of people do. Right. I remember when I first
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Speaker 1: got into this business and I'm like, I want to
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Speaker 1: I want to work in I'm a radio host. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about all sports. And I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: got pigeonholed as a football guy. And someone told me
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Speaker 1: early on, it's like, if you're gonna get pigeon holed
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Speaker 1: as anything, that that's the best thing to get pigeonholed.
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Speaker 1: Ass And watching this Bears franchise not just be resurrected,
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Speaker 1: but host these games in these frigid, cold camp situations,
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Speaker 1: right in these frigid cold conditions where there's no way
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Speaker 1: you could feel your hands, your feet, you could barely breathe.
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Speaker 1: Guys today were getting blasted, Like obviously New England hosted
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Speaker 1: a game again today that they had been down and
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Speaker 1: out for what three four years? I mean for twenty
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Speaker 1: years of my life. I'm forty years old, I watched
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Speaker 1: that stadium host games that looked exactly like that in
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Speaker 1: the Patriot win. I have seen that game with Belichick
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Speaker 1: and Brady more times than I could count on my
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Speaker 1: hands and my toes, right, but with the Bears like
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Speaker 1: I haven't, and watching that city, watching that place rock
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Speaker 1: and I was someone that didn't think the Caleb Ben
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Speaker 1: Johnson thing would work. It's still to me a little weird,
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Speaker 1: like I don't think they're on the same page always,
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Speaker 1: like when they cook is when Caleb just bails them out.
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Speaker 1: And I think Ben Johnson is a fantastic play but
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Speaker 1: so many times use to Night one. I'll get into
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Speaker 1: this in a second about going for but let's just
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Speaker 1: say the play calls. I do think Sean Payton, but
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson even more. They are consumed with their way
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Speaker 1: of doing things. Because the way that Ben did it
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Speaker 1: for years in Detroit in terms of his offense made
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Speaker 1: him a star. And then he comes here and he's
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Speaker 1: clearly a good football coach. He's good with players, he's
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Speaker 1: clearly high end right, but like the way he wants
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Speaker 1: to coach offense, Caleb's best skill by far is his
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Speaker 1: playmaking ability. Honestly, he's the best playmaker right now in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean that play he made to send
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Speaker 1: it to overtime was I mean, there's probably less than
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Speaker 1: ten guys in the history of the NFL that could
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Speaker 1: make that play. But part of his thing is you
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Speaker 1: kind of gotta let him cook, especially with his legs.
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Speaker 1: Like listen, I'm not saying you treat him like Lamar Jackson,
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Speaker 1: but there were times a day when he ran It's
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Speaker 1: like he's way faster than these guys, Like why not
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Speaker 1: institute quarterback power? Why not get him on the move.
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Speaker 1: Things that you could never even drop for Jared Goffson
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Speaker 1: might not be in the playbook. They should be instituted now,
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Speaker 1: and that they go forward on the short yarded situations.
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Speaker 1: It's not working. It's like, let Caleb's strength excel here.
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Speaker 1: McVeigh doesn't have that option was with Stafford. He's thirty eight,
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Speaker 1: thirty nine, can't move he is He's basically you know
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Speaker 1: Eli Manning or Philip Rivers right now, right in terms
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Speaker 1: of athletic ability doesn't exist. He once was a decent athlete,
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Speaker 1: again relative to NFL players, relative does high end athlete,
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Speaker 1: but relative to NFL players like mass Afford is now
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Speaker 1: immobile right doesn't move, which is fine because he's an
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Speaker 1: MVP level thrower. But Caleb is an elite movement guy.
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Speaker 1: I've actually underestimated when he was coming out of college
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Speaker 1: how great of a foot athlete he is, how high
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Speaker 1: end to speed is. But Ben Johnson, who is There
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Speaker 1: had to be a meeting of the minds once upon
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Speaker 1: a time years ago in the Detroit Offensive meeting room
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Speaker 1: where they got together. It's like amblers do this, you know,
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Speaker 1: investors like people with investing strategies that this way is
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Speaker 1: going to work and nothing else matters. Typically people you
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Speaker 1: know in some sort of like math vocation right where
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Speaker 1: this is what the numbers say and no matter what,
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Speaker 1: this is always going to be the case. And you
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Speaker 1: cannot talk whoever led that meeting. It might have been Ben,
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Speaker 1: it might have been Dan Campbell, but they both believed
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Speaker 1: it and you could not talk him out of it,
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Speaker 1: because I'm a big believer. If I owned the team,
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Speaker 1: or I had any juice, like the team president or whatever,
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Speaker 1: we would have a rule. If the game is zero
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Speaker 1: zero and it is fourth and more than I don't
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Speaker 1: even care what it is, and you are in field
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Speaker 1: goal range, you kick the field goal the game is
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Speaker 1: zero to zero. You could make the argument that if
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Speaker 1: the game is in the first half and your opponent
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Speaker 1: has less than ten points, saying that it's not a
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Speaker 1: great offensive outpouring of points all over the place kick.
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Speaker 1: The field goal points matter. And I get Ben coach
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Speaker 1: in Miami. I think he played at Carolina and he
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Speaker 1: coached in Detroit in a dome for a while. Well,
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Speaker 1: you were playing in conditions where no one can feel
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Speaker 1: any parts of their body. Sean McVay look like a
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Speaker 1: lumberjack from Alaska. He was wearing the gloves that the
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Speaker 1: dude from home alone. Usually when you see guys wearing gloves,
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Speaker 1: they cover their entire hand. He's wearing the gloves so
10:15
Speaker 1: his fingertips are sticking out, so clearly he wanted to
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Speaker 1: feel his play sheet. When does Sean McVay ever put
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Speaker 1: anything over that great head of hair? And the answer
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Speaker 1: is never. It shows you how cold it was. I
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Speaker 1: saw seventy degrees seven degrees on the field, felt like
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Speaker 1: seven degrees. That that is frigid temperatures. So even going
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Speaker 1: into the game, I don't care that you're playing Stafford
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer DeVante Hall of Famer, Puka chance to
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Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer. They're not going to score
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Speaker 1: thirty points in that weather. It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Nobody does. That's not the way the game's played. It's
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Speaker 1: going to be. It's gonna have a stretch in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the game where people are punting and it's
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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Why cause it's cold. No one can
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Speaker 1: think it's hard to catch, it's hard to play. So
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is obsessed with going for it always and
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Speaker 1: even the night a couple of his runs in short yards.
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Speaker 1: He's running up the gut, which I'm pro running the ball,
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Speaker 1: and the thing I respect most about Ben Johnson is
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Speaker 1: his willingness to run the ball. Though tonight he had
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Speaker 1: more pass attempts than rush attempts. Now, part of that
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Speaker 1: is the end of the game they need to throw
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Speaker 1: with Caleb, so it probably would have been slightly more
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Speaker 1: rush attempts. Manung Guy and Swift had a combined twenty
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Speaker 1: thirty one attempts for it looks like a little over
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Speaker 1: one hundred yards, which again is fine. So he's he's
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Speaker 1: getting thirty plus carries with those two guys which operate
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Speaker 1: as one back, I would say, when you got two
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Speaker 1: backs like that, but why not use Caleb's legs? Why
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Speaker 1: not run a quarterback power? Why not just run some
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Speaker 1: sport of sprint option where here's your first option. If
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Speaker 1: it's not there and the defender doesn't bite, fucking take off,
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Speaker 1: walk to the first down. I get Ben Johnson hates
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Speaker 1: quarterback runs. He despises them. I can't imagine guys, you know,
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Speaker 1: the Todd Munkins of the world that can do both,
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Speaker 1: are going Why aren't you utilizing this guy's skill set?
12:01
Speaker 1: And while Ben had a great season, he resurrected a
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Speaker 1: historic franchise, deserves his flowers. For some reason. Hates McVeigh
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Speaker 1: and all of his friends, Lafleur McVeigh, Lafour's brother probably
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Speaker 1: hates Kevin O'Connell because they're friends just in weird relation.
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Speaker 1: Hates the Shanahans, Kubiak's probably can't stand that tree, which
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Speaker 1: I also respect. I like it when people don't like
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Speaker 1: other people. It's like, what's your reason? I don't really
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Speaker 1: have one that just don't like that guy. You need
12:30
Speaker 1: some of that in sports. Can't have everyone being buddy
12:32
Speaker 1: Buddy needs something like that. I just can't stand that
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Speaker 1: fucking guy. Like that's just entertating to me, Like we
12:37
Speaker 1: need some just more hatred that used to happen a
12:39
Speaker 1: lot in sports happens way less, at least publicly, because
12:42
Speaker 1: we're all human beings. There are always peoples like, yeah,
12:44
Speaker 1: they don't really like that guy, right, Especially as you
12:47
Speaker 1: get older, you just you meet people through your wife
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Speaker 1: or your friends, and you just people that you haven't
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Speaker 1: known that long. Some people you just gravitate toward too,
12:54
Speaker 1: and some people you gravitate the other way. And a
12:56
Speaker 1: lot of times in pro sports, because it's so corporate,
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Speaker 1: there's so much money on the line, no one ever
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Speaker 1: wants to admit to anything. And you know, Peter Schrager
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Speaker 1: is saying that McVeigh knows that they hate each It's like, like,
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Speaker 1: I want more of that. We need that. I want
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Speaker 1: some hatreds. So I like Ben Johnson mixing it up
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Speaker 1: kind of like that he's a tight ass that just
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Speaker 1: hates the McVeigh tree, Like, sign me up. This is entertainment, baby,
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Speaker 1: Like we don't need everyone to be friends. So Ben
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Speaker 1: Johnson tonight like and I think throughout the season they
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Speaker 1: had all these crazy comebacks because of what Caleb just
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Speaker 1: started cooking makes him plays kid, but throughout the middle
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Speaker 1: of the game, he just like makes him play like
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Speaker 1: a pocket quarterback. Obviously he can do it, but like
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Speaker 1: I think part of his strength is just get a
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Speaker 1: moving and there were some big spots tonight where he
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Speaker 1: just didn't allow him to do it. And the crazy
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Speaker 1: part is, for the first time in forever, I guess
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Speaker 1: last week they had a half. Their defense was awesome,
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Speaker 1: like throughout that game. The Rams to start the season
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Speaker 1: was viewed as not a Super Bowl contender, like one
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Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl favorites, one of the teams AFC
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Speaker 1: and NFC you thought was gonna win the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: And then going into that Seattle game, especially when they
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Speaker 1: were up sixteen points, like this is the team that's
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Speaker 1: gonna represent the NFC kind of ended weird. So people
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Speaker 1: got off the scent. But now they're sixteen minutes away
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Speaker 1: from going to the Super Bowl and the Bears look
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Speaker 1: like they're equal to I from a physicality standpoint. Their
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Speaker 1: defense was fantastic. Part of the problem for the Bears,
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Speaker 1: their defense has been so shitty all season long. The
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Speaker 1: Calebs had to play like Lway or had to play like,
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Speaker 1: you know, four and just do crazy stuff constantly. Well
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Speaker 1: he didn't really. I mean they were good tonight. Stafford
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Speaker 1: threw for two hundred and fifty eight yards, no touchdowns.
14:36
Speaker 1: Kieren Williams had two touchdowns, and you know the one
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Speaker 1: thing that Caleb clearly. I think the meeting of the
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Speaker 1: mines right no different than once upon a time in
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Speaker 1: Detroit when they decided we go for it all the time.
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Speaker 1: It's like, coach, we're up twenty four to seven in
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Speaker 1: the second half of the NFC Championship. Go for it,
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Speaker 1: So coach, you don't want to take some points here,
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Speaker 1: go for it. Coach at zero zero with three minutes
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Speaker 1: to go, or three minutes the first quarter, go before it.
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Speaker 1: There's no rhyme or reason. It's just a universal no
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Speaker 1: matter what we're going, which I'm sorry I'm out on
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Speaker 1: which I respect. People have tried different things. I remember
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Speaker 1: years ago Tomlin was like always going for two. Remember
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Speaker 1: I might have been like five six, seven years ago,
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Speaker 1: maybe toward the end of Roethlisberger. It might have been
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Speaker 1: like Rudolph's year gap year. I don't remember when it happened.
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Speaker 1: I remember the Steelers had a stretch, so they went
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Speaker 1: for two constantly, they'd score like the first touchdown the game,
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Speaker 1: like six to nothing, you go for two. And he
15:32
Speaker 1: clearly got away from that. Remember Jahrball had a stretch
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Speaker 1: where he's just always going for to maybe early Lamar,
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Speaker 1: but like you try things out, you pivot like that's life,
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Speaker 1: that's business. The Ben Johnson, Dan Campbell, there's no this
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Speaker 1: isn't trying it out. This is what we do no
15:48
Speaker 1: matter what. Well, if that's what you're gonna do in Detroit,
15:52
Speaker 1: like Jared ain't moving, there's no ad libbing there. You
15:55
Speaker 1: got the best ad libber in the league. Right, Josh
15:58
Speaker 1: Allen's clearly a little banged up not move in as well.
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Speaker 1: Same thing with Lamar Jackson. This guy in terms of
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Speaker 1: just speed, power and the playmaking, like let him mixed
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Speaker 1: it up because whenever he did, that's when the positive
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Speaker 1: stuf would happen and the game was there to be played.
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Speaker 1: Like if you would have told me this was gonna
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Speaker 1: be a low scoring game, very physical, I would have
16:16
Speaker 1: been huge advantage Ramps. Right, they got Jared versus land Man.
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Speaker 1: This is the mentality because this is an organizational game, right,
16:24
Speaker 1: especially Lesnee deserves a lot of credit. Like we talk
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Speaker 1: a lot of coaches, but the personnel staff building this roster.
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Speaker 1: When you can go as a West Coast team and
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Speaker 1: go to fridgid conditions and set the tone physically, you're
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Speaker 1: a well built team because you have acquired a lot
16:41
Speaker 1: of guys who are wired the right way. Because you
16:44
Speaker 1: have to be obsessed with football and the violence which
16:49
Speaker 1: comes along with football to play in that environment, it
16:51
Speaker 1: is not fun at all. I can't even imagine being
16:55
Speaker 1: there as a fan. So the level in which the
16:58
Speaker 1: Rams look at my Miami, they haven't been able to
17:02
Speaker 1: figure that out in decades. Look at CJ. Stroud today.
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Speaker 1: They've gone to cold Weather two weeks in a row
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Speaker 1: and just I mean no pun attended. Gone the other way,
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Speaker 1: They've melted, right, But this is a situation where they
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Speaker 1: went and the physical tone was mashed, and you go
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Speaker 1: like got the Bears aren't a very physical team today.
17:22
Speaker 1: It was the DB's making plays, Dennis Allen dialing up blitzes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Stafford was a sitting duck on multiple blitzes.
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Speaker 1: Had no chance. The tackling from the Bears I thought
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Speaker 1: was fantastic, and they just got into a run a
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Speaker 1: little bit with the offense where they just didn't let
17:37
Speaker 1: Caleb run around and listen. I'm a proponent, and I
17:41
Speaker 1: understand over the course of the season he got a
17:43
Speaker 1: plan in rhythm and listen. Caleb's accuracy is something he
17:46
Speaker 1: has to work on for him to be a top
17:49
Speaker 1: five quarterback in the NFL, which he clearly has the
17:52
Speaker 1: physical capabilities to do. He's got to be elite at
17:55
Speaker 1: the basic stuff. You know, an out route, any sort
17:59
Speaker 1: of short to intermediate route that the top guys from
18:04
Speaker 1: Brady to Manning to Rogers to now Allen to Lamar
18:08
Speaker 1: and Mahomes when they're playing well, they hit with their
18:10
Speaker 1: eyes closed. You have no clue if he's gonna hit
18:12
Speaker 1: that or miss that. So that is an area that
18:14
Speaker 1: he can that he needs to if he's gonna take
18:17
Speaker 1: the next step, because if he does that, he would
18:19
Speaker 1: be a dominant player. And I think Ben Johnson has
18:21
Speaker 1: to meet him in the middle and start instituting some
18:24
Speaker 1: just movement plays because that's what his skill set is.
18:28
Speaker 1: This is the issue with the Eagles is you know,
18:31
Speaker 1: Petula got blamed and clearly he wasn't any good, but
18:34
Speaker 1: Jalen they got to get together, like we gotta run
18:37
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know. I heard someone say that
18:40
Speaker 1: in his best season, Jalen's he averaged eleven carries a game,
18:44
Speaker 1: and this season I think he was averaging like three.
18:46
Speaker 1: Now is Caleb ever going to average eleven carries a game?
18:48
Speaker 1: Of course not. But today I mean he had five,
18:52
Speaker 1: But how many of those I didn't track? It are
18:56
Speaker 1: past plays from the pocket in which he takes off
19:00
Speaker 1: and think of three off the top of my head.
19:02
Speaker 1: So I would just have a basic like quarterback power run.
19:05
Speaker 1: They run it for Josh Allen. You can treat Caleb
19:08
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen, and there are some similarities to Josh
19:10
Speaker 1: early in his career, pretty inaccurate, physically gifted and could move.
19:14
Speaker 1: And Caleb's better probably at the same spot than Josh.
19:19
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think Ben Johnson, the going for it,
19:24
Speaker 1: the not using his legs, win his defense. I mean,
19:26
Speaker 1: for the first time, if you're a Bears fan, you're
19:29
Speaker 1: like god, Dennis Allen had us dialed in and then
19:33
Speaker 1: Sean McVeagh at the end of the game, with two
19:39
Speaker 1: minutes and seven seconds left, they have a time out
19:42
Speaker 1: and there's a two minute warning, so it's guaranteed the
19:45
Speaker 1: clock is gonna stop at two minutes. Why not pass
19:49
Speaker 1: the ball? You have them if you're a past happy guy.
19:52
Speaker 1: It's like the it'd be the equivalent of Ben Johnson
19:55
Speaker 1: kicking the field goal. It's like that. That was the
19:57
Speaker 1: opposite of everything that I thought what you would do
20:00
Speaker 1: would be. You have I mean a legendary guy in
20:04
Speaker 1: his era at DeVante, who's still an elite player. What
20:06
Speaker 1: Davante do today? He only had the two catches for
20:09
Speaker 1: twenty four yards and one of the biggest catches of
20:11
Speaker 1: the game. And Puka had kind of a light game
20:14
Speaker 1: two five fifty six, but he definitely had two carries
20:17
Speaker 1: for six yards. One of them was a big first down. Again,
20:19
Speaker 1: this is a game where you're not gonna see like
20:21
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson's well, I had eleven for a two ten
20:23
Speaker 1: and three touchdowns. Like, that's not gonna be the operation here,
20:26
Speaker 1: even the Bears four for fifty six, two for forty four,
20:30
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that couple catches here and there. Where
20:33
Speaker 1: do they come in what big spots? McVeigh is in
20:36
Speaker 1: this spot and he runs the ball. It's like you
20:39
Speaker 1: got Puka Nakua and Devonte Adams and Parkinson who's a
20:42
Speaker 1: really good tight end, and how worst case scenario dumping
20:45
Speaker 1: down to the back, maybe the guy breaks a tackle.
20:47
Speaker 1: You are playing the Bears and my guy slips and
20:49
Speaker 1: you get a first down. And he just kind of
20:51
Speaker 1: did and maybe Stafford changed to play at the line.
20:54
Speaker 1: But I thought that was pretty head scratching and put
20:58
Speaker 1: them in a position where then they punted and the
21:01
Speaker 1: Bears get the ball to fifty. Do you know what's
21:03
Speaker 1: crazy also about Ben Johnson is they get the ball
21:06
Speaker 1: to fifty, they drive the field Caleb makes. I mean,
21:11
Speaker 1: it's not a better play, it's a more freakish play
21:15
Speaker 1: than the uh was that last week? Yeah, the fourth
21:20
Speaker 1: and sixth against the Packers. Like, to me, that still
21:23
Speaker 1: is the best player of the year. That is just
21:26
Speaker 1: the freak year kind of there was some element of
21:28
Speaker 1: luck involved. I mean, Durant, you can't let a guy
21:32
Speaker 1: I'm no dB coach here, but I'm pretty sure I
21:34
Speaker 1: got a couple coaching points that I'll never forget. Don't
21:37
Speaker 1: throw the ball high over the middle of the field CJ. Stroud,
21:40
Speaker 1: And don't let a guy get behind you in a
21:43
Speaker 1: goal line, you know, hail Mary type situation. Right, That's
21:47
Speaker 1: pretty basic like you don't need to play for Nick
21:49
Speaker 1: Saban or Bill Belichick to get those coaching points, but
21:52
Speaker 1: obviously the throw to be able to backing up, you
21:54
Speaker 1: start doing the yardage like he threw that from the
21:56
Speaker 1: forty Comet caught that five yards deepen in the end zone.
22:01
Speaker 1: And the first thing I thought of that moment and
22:04
Speaker 1: they showed some kids, you know, probably teenagers in the stadium.
22:07
Speaker 1: That's something you tell your friends till the day you die, right,
22:10
Speaker 1: I just had a child. I will tell him moments
22:12
Speaker 1: that I saw. I was there when Navarro Bowman had
22:14
Speaker 1: a pick at the stick and I was standing at
22:15
Speaker 1: the sideline to win the or make the forty nine
22:18
Speaker 1: ers made the playoffs off of you're at some moments
22:21
Speaker 1: that you just never forget and you tell your friends
22:24
Speaker 1: about the rest of your lives. And that's the type
22:26
Speaker 1: moment these last couple of weeks. If you're a Bears
22:28
Speaker 1: fans and you attended the game, that is priceless. And
22:33
Speaker 1: there's nothing like being a sports fan that it's it's,
22:36
Speaker 1: in a weird way, a very communal thing to do,
22:40
Speaker 1: but it's also not that fun. It's stressful, it's exhilarating,
22:45
Speaker 1: highs and lows. I mean the high of that play
22:49
Speaker 1: to the low of them hitting the DeVante play and
22:52
Speaker 1: then in them kicking the field goal. But I do
22:56
Speaker 1: think the Bears being back is one of those that's
22:59
Speaker 1: really cool for the league, and in a weird year
23:02
Speaker 1: where there were a lot of injuries and the Chiefs
23:05
Speaker 1: have been nowhere to be found for a couple months,
23:07
Speaker 1: and you know, the Ravens didn't make the playoffs and
23:10
Speaker 1: Lamar was mia for a while with injuries and Burrow
23:12
Speaker 1: was out. You know, the Bears in the business model
23:16
Speaker 1: really helped pick up the slack they did, and they
23:20
Speaker 1: put themselves in a position to do it, and ultimately
23:24
Speaker 1: I thought they should have gone for the kill shot
23:26
Speaker 1: in the two point conversion. Like when I think Ben Johnson,
23:28
Speaker 1: I think crazy balls, crazy willingness to push the envelope,
23:34
Speaker 1: and he scores touchdown, he doesn't go for two. Now,
23:36
Speaker 1: I get you're at home. I get it's the second
23:39
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs, but it's, like I the one
23:42
Speaker 1: thing he is in like specific situations, typically has pretty
23:45
Speaker 1: good plays. Now, maybe some of his short yardage plays
23:48
Speaker 1: from earlier in the game had been really bad, and
23:51
Speaker 1: they had been stuffed in the backfield. Maybe he was torn.
23:54
Speaker 1: Like to me, it's like, hey, just let Caleb cook.
23:57
Speaker 1: I mean, he's cooked in this moment over and over
24:00
Speaker 1: and over again. You go into overtime. There's kind of
24:03
Speaker 1: a randomness to it there just is right. This is
24:07
Speaker 1: not like it's just weird because both teams touch the ball.
24:11
Speaker 1: But it's football, Like you could just have a drive
24:13
Speaker 1: where you go three and out. You could have a
24:14
Speaker 1: drive where dude fumbles. You just never know, Like you know,
24:17
Speaker 1: this overtime it's more equitable now because you're guaranteed a touch,
24:22
Speaker 1: But there's still that football is not a situation that's
24:26
Speaker 1: played in that type of you know, a sudden death
24:28
Speaker 1: moment that that's not really the way the sport is.
24:31
Speaker 1: So it's like you go to that anything can happen,
24:34
Speaker 1: and you're playing a team that has really good players.
24:36
Speaker 1: Obviously this great offense that like in one play, Pooker
24:40
Speaker 1: Devonte can hit like a forty yard bomb. Now so
24:42
Speaker 1: could you. But I don't know, man, I wonder if
24:45
Speaker 1: he could do it over like just run a play
24:47
Speaker 1: and that's where to me, like run quarterback power. Would
24:50
Speaker 1: anyone say have an issue if you're a Bears fan
24:54
Speaker 1: that to win the game, they just ran quarterback power
24:57
Speaker 1: in that moment, and they just had Kaylea pulled the
25:00
Speaker 1: guard and just tried to hit the edge. I don't
25:04
Speaker 1: think they would have I really don't. But he didn't
25:07
Speaker 1: do it, and now he's at home. You know. I
25:12
Speaker 1: was also kind of hoping he beats McVeigh to piggyback
25:15
Speaker 1: off the Schreker thing that he hates Laflor's and McVeigh
25:19
Speaker 1: in turn now hates him. And he doesn't really like
25:21
Speaker 1: McVeigh because he's not some Nepo baby like him and Shannan.
25:25
Speaker 1: I kind of like this anger in Ben Johnson seems
25:27
Speaker 1: kind of like my type guy. We probably wouldn't be
25:30
Speaker 1: friends because people like that don't really talk to other
25:33
Speaker 1: people that often. But I do think that we're you know,
25:37
Speaker 1: there's a respect level I have for that type mindset.
25:39
Speaker 1: I was really wanted to see a postgame of what
25:42
Speaker 1: he would have said. I don't even think. I kind
25:45
Speaker 1: of waited before we recorded this to see if we
25:47
Speaker 1: got a handshake between the two guys, and we did not.
25:51
Speaker 1: But the Rams are off. They're an underdog on the
25:53
Speaker 1: road against Seattle. You know, I think one deficiency they have.
26:00
Speaker 1: It is very hard in the way this modern day
26:02
Speaker 1: NFL is played when your quarterback can't really move. You know,
26:06
Speaker 1: Stafford was twenty to forty two tonight, so he's under
26:09
Speaker 1: fifty percent. He's sacked four times. There is like, you know,
26:14
Speaker 1: Cousins had this even when And obviously I'm not comparing
26:18
Speaker 1: Stafford to Cousin. Stafford's a better player, but Goff has
26:21
Speaker 1: this little bit too. I say, Goth's a better athlete
26:23
Speaker 1: than Cousins. When you cannot move, they these guys don't exist.
26:27
Speaker 1: They're just are not starting quarterbacks. I mean, look, you
26:30
Speaker 1: know Denver should have Bo Nicks, Seattle of Sam Darnold.
26:33
Speaker 1: New England has Drake May. You saw today Kayleb Williams.
26:36
Speaker 1: CJ can move, doesn't really know where he's going, and
26:39
Speaker 1: not great. You see a lot of these quarterbacks, you know, Purty,
26:44
Speaker 1: these guys that have mobility. He has none. So it
26:47
Speaker 1: does like you better block form and these guys better
26:50
Speaker 1: get open. And obviously they're timing and precisions in the
26:53
Speaker 1: routes have to be key because they kind of play
26:56
Speaker 1: an old school game, and I think is going to
27:00
Speaker 1: be really, really hard for him. Now, if they beat Seattle,
27:03
Speaker 1: they will be favored in the Super Bowl. And I'd
27:05
Speaker 1: be kind of stunned if they didn't win it, because
27:06
Speaker 1: then it would be pretty conducive for them, you know,
27:08
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, you know, in a warmer weather place.
27:12
Speaker 1: But I think that you know, Sean McVay, this was
27:16
Speaker 1: a big night, and this was a big season, and
27:18
Speaker 1: he's had two really good teams the last couple of years.
27:20
Speaker 1: They've won a bunch of games, they just didn't really
27:22
Speaker 1: advance far in the playoffs. At one point in time
27:25
Speaker 1: when it thought that he might lose this game. That
27:28
Speaker 1: gout's pretty big kick in the nuts. To lose back
27:32
Speaker 1: to back years on the road in cold weather where
27:35
Speaker 1: you're right there, it's like you have a team that's
27:38
Speaker 1: capable of not just winning that game, but clearly, you know,
27:41
Speaker 1: winning the whole thing, and you lose in the second round, right,
27:45
Speaker 1: I say this whole time, like in these other sports.
27:48
Speaker 1: The Warriors won a championship one year and lost I
27:51
Speaker 1: think by fifty to the Memphis Grizzlies in a playoff game.
27:53
Speaker 1: Like individual playoff games unless they're like six or seven
27:56
Speaker 1: or elimination games don't make or break you In football,
28:00
Speaker 1: you're on the edge of your seat living with every down,
28:03
Speaker 1: especially a game like this that you know it's ten
28:06
Speaker 1: to ten right at halftime, no one scores in the
28:10
Speaker 1: third quarter, You're like, this is fucking nuts. This is
28:13
Speaker 1: the Bears game. This year have just been theater. The
28:18
Speaker 1: Rams have played in some great games that The game
28:20
Speaker 1: against Seattle was awesome. The game earlier this year against
28:23
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers against mac Jones was awesome. So
28:27
Speaker 1: these teams that there's something, you know, the characters with
28:30
Speaker 1: their coaches that was doesn't get any better as a consumers.
28:36
Speaker 1: That's his entertaining. I don't need I've said this forever
28:40
Speaker 1: back in the day when Mahomes hit the scene and
28:43
Speaker 1: he played golf in that game. It was supposed to
28:46
Speaker 1: be in Mexico City, but like I don't know, the
28:48
Speaker 1: cartel sold the grass or something, so they had to
28:50
Speaker 1: play in the Rose Bowl because the Rams that year,
28:54
Speaker 1: remember they hadn't built so far yet, so they were
28:56
Speaker 1: playing at the Rose Bowl and the final score was
28:58
Speaker 1: like fifty eight to fifty f or It's like it
29:01
Speaker 1: was fun, But I don't like football like that. I'm
29:04
Speaker 1: not into watching, you know, big twelve football. I honestly,
29:07
Speaker 1: that's the conference I watched the least. Might have changed
29:10
Speaker 1: a little bit with the additions of some of their schools.
29:12
Speaker 1: Now Arizona State, Utah BYU Texas Tech is more of
29:16
Speaker 1: a defensive team, but historically they were always just a
29:18
Speaker 1: bunch of points, no defense. Like I don't I don't
29:20
Speaker 1: enjoy that. I enjoyed this game to night, the physicality
29:25
Speaker 1: of it, how important every first down was, how important
29:28
Speaker 1: every decision was, like you can't afford to, you know,
29:32
Speaker 1: make a poor decision, and it was. It was a good,
29:38
Speaker 1: just entertaining kind of throwback game with just some Obviously
29:42
Speaker 1: Caleb's pass will I mean he's had I would say
29:46
Speaker 1: the craziest stretch of last minute passes. And like I
29:49
Speaker 1: don't know the history of the NFL, I've never seen
29:52
Speaker 1: anything like it. I never have. And for Bears fans
29:56
Speaker 1: that are I know so many people just living here
29:59
Speaker 1: in Arizona that are from that general region that I've
30:02
Speaker 1: gotten to know, people I see at the gym that
30:04
Speaker 1: just come up to me and just start wearing me
30:06
Speaker 1: out because they love it. This season has meant so
30:09
Speaker 1: much to them. The how much fun the ride of
30:12
Speaker 1: that year was it doesn't get any better. So it's
30:14
Speaker 1: why we love It's why we love sports because even
30:18
Speaker 1: early on you get a little optimistic. Then you look
30:20
Speaker 1: if I would have told you you're hosting a game
30:23
Speaker 1: in the second round of the playoffs against McVeigh and
30:26
Speaker 1: Stafford and you are gonna be in position to win
30:29
Speaker 1: the game in overtime, You're gonna get the ball and
30:30
Speaker 1: have a chance to win the game. But are you
30:32
Speaker 1: sign me the you know what up for that? So
30:36
Speaker 1: Grass the Bears on a hell of a season and
30:38
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30:42
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30:44
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33:01
Speaker 1: I think big picture on Vrabel and the Pats. Remember
33:06
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when Belichick's last year offensively,
33:10
Speaker 1: they had Patricia and like Joe Judge running the offense
33:14
Speaker 1: and it did not go well, but their defense actually
33:16
Speaker 1: was pretty good. And so the next year when Gerd
33:19
Speaker 1: Mayo took over and their defense fell apart. Remember Belichick
33:22
Speaker 1: was had like seventeen shows on the internet and was
33:25
Speaker 1: taking some shots like our defense was pretty good last year.
33:28
Speaker 1: This is kind of on you, very bitter, but it
33:30
Speaker 1: just reality of curmudgeon Bill but he wasn't wrong. Like
33:34
Speaker 1: they did have some good defensive players, and then they
33:37
Speaker 1: get Drake May, Josh McDaniels comes back, and they've created
33:40
Speaker 1: an offense. There is a grittiness and a toughness to
33:43
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Like this team that has some similarities to
33:47
Speaker 1: a lot of those Bill and Brady teams. Then when
33:50
Speaker 1: you watch them, like the group is better than the
33:54
Speaker 1: individual some of their parts. Now, obviously Drake May has
33:57
Speaker 1: a chance to be I don't know, like one of
33:59
Speaker 1: the best players in the league right is excellent. Christian
34:02
Speaker 1: Zalaz when he's healthy is an elite corner. But like
34:06
Speaker 1: they got a lot of guys. You know, a lot
34:08
Speaker 1: of people can add Diggs. You know, a lot of
34:12
Speaker 1: people passed on Butte from the draft. Who's Booty I
34:16
Speaker 1: think his name is. I call him Boute because like
34:17
Speaker 1: New Orleans, he is making incredible plays down the stretch
34:21
Speaker 1: of this season. But pretty sure he was in the
34:23
Speaker 1: first round pick. Like, they got a lot of dudes
34:26
Speaker 1: on that team that could have been had by a
34:28
Speaker 1: lot of people. Now, they paid quote unquote some people
34:31
Speaker 1: say overpaid Milton Williams. They went pretty aggressive in free agency.
34:35
Speaker 1: But there is like a cohesion to that group and
34:38
Speaker 1: a toughness that clearly starts with Mike, and I think
34:41
Speaker 1: there's some similarities with Mike and Bill. Not physically Mike
34:45
Speaker 1: looks like, you know, former NFL player, Bill looks like
34:47
Speaker 1: a guy you'd see at the deli on Tuesday, but
34:50
Speaker 1: the way they fundamentally think about football, the toughness, the details,
34:55
Speaker 1: the just like unfazed by anything. And the Patriots have that.
35:00
Speaker 1: And to go from back to back seasons after the run,
35:03
Speaker 1: they had to be drafting third overall. They got Drake
35:07
Speaker 1: May then fourth overall, Like, you know, should Will Campbell
35:11
Speaker 1: be playing guard? You could also make the argument like
35:14
Speaker 1: Will Anderson makes everyone look like that Will Anderson was
35:17
Speaker 1: eating his lunch today, Will Anderson. It might have been
35:20
Speaker 1: hard for Orlando Pace to slow that guy down. Today.
35:23
Speaker 1: Will Anderson looked elite. But what the Patriots do? The
35:26
Speaker 1: quarterback can run. They fumbled the ball a couple times,
35:29
Speaker 1: and obviously you know the ball was on the ground constantly,
35:32
Speaker 1: but there's just an impressive kind of cohesion to that team. Now,
35:36
Speaker 1: do I think this is some loaded, super great talent
35:41
Speaker 1: to group. I don't. But when you got Mike Vrabel,
35:44
Speaker 1: who is a high end NFL coach. You have Josh McDaniels,
35:49
Speaker 1: who's probably the best offensive coordinator in the league, who's
35:52
Speaker 1: not a head coach, and because of how weird it's
35:55
Speaker 1: been in his career, will never be a head coach again.
35:58
Speaker 1: They're a motherfucker and obviously with bow Knicks being injured,
36:01
Speaker 1: they are favorite on the road in Denver. So, like,
36:04
Speaker 1: my initial thought is I have a hard time seeing
36:07
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback beat this team because when you're the
36:09
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, you don't get any reps in practice. You
36:12
Speaker 1: obviously don't play any of the games in the regal
36:15
Speaker 1: season because their young starter gets them all. You're just
36:17
Speaker 1: gonna show up in the AFC championship game. Obviously it's
36:21
Speaker 1: easier at home, but still, I mean against a Mike
36:24
Speaker 1: Vrabel team, I have a hard time seeing that. I
36:27
Speaker 1: really do. Now he's not playing the Houston Texans. Like
36:30
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say Will Anderson and Neil Hunter are coming
36:33
Speaker 1: off the eds for the Patriots, but there is just
36:37
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to say it. They just
36:38
Speaker 1: feel like very fundamentally fundamentally tough and kind of boring.
36:42
Speaker 1: You know, there's an element to that, so I think
36:46
Speaker 1: New England resurrecting this franchise is just pretty remarkable. Again,
36:51
Speaker 1: they had back to back draft picks in the top
36:53
Speaker 1: five and now they're going to the AFC Championship as
36:56
Speaker 1: a favorite. Now, obviously, if bo Nicks hadn't been injured
37:00
Speaker 1: and be favored by one or two points, like, they
37:02
Speaker 1: would be less than a field goal underdog on the
37:05
Speaker 1: road in the AFC Championship. That's how fast he flipped
37:07
Speaker 1: it around. They had the easy schedule to benefit them
37:10
Speaker 1: and they took advantage of it. They also beat the
37:12
Speaker 1: Bills once, right, so today was impressive. And to have
37:17
Speaker 1: your quarterback under that much duress from those two just
37:21
Speaker 1: dominant players. I remember when Casario signed daneil Hunter and
37:28
Speaker 1: he gave it's pretty rare, right, it was almost like
37:30
Speaker 1: a baseball contract. Why I saw Kyle Tecker, the Dodgers
37:34
Speaker 1: gave him four years, two hundred and forty million, like
37:37
Speaker 1: every penny's guaranteed. Someone else who just signed with the Cubs,
37:42
Speaker 1: Ohza Bregman, like all these guys just get like three
37:44
Speaker 1: four five year deals with these opt outs, huge guarantees,
37:48
Speaker 1: huge yearly averages. They gave Daniel Hunter two years. I
37:51
Speaker 1: think it was forty nine million and guaranteed forty eight
37:53
Speaker 1: Like that's just a throwback con Like you just don't
37:55
Speaker 1: see those type contracts. He's worth every penny and those
37:58
Speaker 1: two edges were all all over everyone today and Will
38:03
Speaker 1: Campbell was fighting for his life. But they figured out
38:07
Speaker 1: a way and a huge reason was is the other
38:10
Speaker 1: quarterback on the other side was a disaster. Like, let's
38:13
Speaker 1: face it, the story of the game was, well, it
38:16
Speaker 1: was twofold to me. For Houston, their defense is pretty incredible.
38:20
Speaker 1: They had the best defense in the league. Like Seattle's
38:23
Speaker 1: defense is elite, I think Houston's is better. I think
38:26
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any better in Houston's defense. The amount
38:28
Speaker 1: of times that they were able to get off the
38:31
Speaker 1: field after CJ. Stroud literally tried to hand the game
38:34
Speaker 1: to Vrabel and Drake May. They had a stretch in
38:36
Speaker 1: the second quarter where they went interception one play, interception
38:40
Speaker 1: four plays, so they ran five plays, two interceptions, punt
38:45
Speaker 1: that was seven plays, and then an interception. He threw
38:49
Speaker 1: three interceptions in a stretch of like ten plays. He
38:53
Speaker 1: was the one reason I liked the Houston Texans tonight
38:58
Speaker 1: in this game was love their defense anyone with the
39:02
Speaker 1: brain does. I thought their quarterback after the game he
39:06
Speaker 1: just had against Pittsburgh, and I had a buddy on
39:09
Speaker 1: the text and say, you know what, Obviously the bad
39:11
Speaker 1: plays were really bad, but he made a lot of
39:14
Speaker 1: high end plays in that game which were true. So
39:17
Speaker 1: I thought, listen, you get in the lab, you take
39:19
Speaker 1: a deep breath. We're gonna play. We're not gonna play
39:22
Speaker 1: hero ball. You're not Aaron Rodgers. You're not Caleb Williams,
39:26
Speaker 1: even though you tried to sun him last year and
39:28
Speaker 1: tell him advice, which is kind of funny now looking back,
39:31
Speaker 1: But he did it because CJ's a good guy. CEJ
39:33
Speaker 1: means well, people like him, but he also has this
39:37
Speaker 1: thing in the way he plays, and Aikman was crushing
39:39
Speaker 1: him today, is that he's like trying to justify he
39:42
Speaker 1: was the number two overall pick and make plays like
39:45
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna make two hundred million dollars one day.
39:48
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a Josh Allen. I'm gonna be a Mahomes,
39:50
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a Lamar, I'm gonna be a Joe Burrow.
39:52
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be an elite. It's like, bro we don't
39:55
Speaker 1: need that right now, maybe one day. Right now, we
39:58
Speaker 1: need you to play like Trendill for we need you
40:00
Speaker 1: to play like Brad Johnson. We need you to play
40:02
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty nineteen manage the motherfucking game,
40:07
Speaker 1: and the plays he made today were I mean, I'm
40:12
Speaker 1: not one to act like this shit is easy. I
40:14
Speaker 1: worked in the NFL. I've been to these NFL games.
40:17
Speaker 1: I'm on the sideline. I know these coaches and personnel people.
40:20
Speaker 1: It is really hard to do this, and I've said
40:23
Speaker 1: forever it is way. It's why I'm way more critical
40:27
Speaker 1: of front office and coaching that profession that I am
40:31
Speaker 1: the players, because it's way easier to become one of
40:33
Speaker 1: those than is a player. It is way more difficult
40:36
Speaker 1: to ever find yourself strapping up in an NFL game,
40:40
Speaker 1: let alone the second round of the playoffs. C J.
40:43
Speaker 1: Stroud's a very talented player. He's a touch thrower. Though.
40:47
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud's comp is really much closer to Jared Goff.
40:51
Speaker 1: That's his style of game. He is not some power
40:54
Speaker 1: player like Calber Josh. He is Jared Goff touch passer. Well,
40:58
Speaker 1: what happens in the freezing cold, can't feel your hands.
41:02
Speaker 1: Why did Jared Goff suck for a long time in
41:04
Speaker 1: the cold. He's gotten better as he got older. Is
41:07
Speaker 1: his passes. He had no touch on the ball, he
41:09
Speaker 1: had no clue where it was going. And you watched
41:12
Speaker 1: CZ today, he could not control the ball. Even the
41:15
Speaker 1: touchdown he threw to Kirk in the corner of the
41:18
Speaker 1: end zone. Kirk, who's kind of an underrated NFL player,
41:22
Speaker 1: made a great play kind of boxing out the dB
41:25
Speaker 1: and catching the ball. It was behind him. So you're
41:28
Speaker 1: watching CJ. Just his accuracy in that environment is not good.
41:33
Speaker 1: It is actually terrible. And then he, you know, I
41:39
Speaker 1: would say, makes it even worse, like magnifies the issues
41:45
Speaker 1: by trying to play outside of his own skill set.
41:49
Speaker 1: He's like, run around doing crazy shit that is just
41:52
Speaker 1: leading to him getting sacked and throw picks in the air.
41:55
Speaker 1: Boss's flying up twenty five feet. It's like, what is
41:58
Speaker 1: going on? And do you know what's really rare in
42:02
Speaker 1: the NBA? You turn on I mean, I don't consume
42:06
Speaker 1: any of these, but we all see the clips these
42:08
Speaker 1: former players. We'll talk shit about everybody. It's actually one
42:11
Speaker 1: thing I kind of respect is like I think part
42:14
Speaker 1: of the reason NAY podcasts with the former players have
42:17
Speaker 1: had a lot of success that there you turn on
42:19
Speaker 1: a mic, there they will say whatever, which I respect
42:23
Speaker 1: because a lot of former players like just kind of
42:25
Speaker 1: beat around the bush and stuff. You get some of
42:27
Speaker 1: these guys that they will just be taking shots at everybody.
42:30
Speaker 1: Yet in the NFL, you know, JJ Watt said this,
42:33
Speaker 1: Tom Brady said this. Peyton Manning didn't want anything more
42:36
Speaker 1: than the Manning cast because like, I'm not I don't
42:38
Speaker 1: want to be critical. I know how hard this is,
42:40
Speaker 1: which I which I do understand. And when they came
42:43
Speaker 1: to halftime and they went right to Kelsey, who's a
42:45
Speaker 1: pretty uplifting positive guy, was like, I think you gotta Benjamin,
42:49
Speaker 1: and I think everyone kind of looked around like hell yeah,
42:51
Speaker 1: you don't have a choice. And Demiko former player you know,
42:55
Speaker 1: who's also a positive guy, which is kind of rare
42:59
Speaker 1: because he's like this defensive middle linebacker, ass kicker, but
43:02
Speaker 1: Demko's energy is very positive. Had to have the thought
43:05
Speaker 1: but also like, hey, seas he's giving me my quarterback
43:07
Speaker 1: next year. We can't ruin his confidence. In the seventies,
43:11
Speaker 1: the eighties, the nineties, probably the two thousands a player
43:14
Speaker 1: of CJ stature, meaning hasn't really accomplished that much. It's
43:18
Speaker 1: not like he's some all pro. It's not like he's,
43:20
Speaker 1: you know, one of the best players in the league.
43:22
Speaker 1: He's he's not on a contract extension yet, he's on
43:24
Speaker 1: his rookie contract. Would have got the hook at halftime
43:27
Speaker 1: basically just like yanking, you know, your number one starter
43:30
Speaker 1: out of a playoff. He don't have it. And listen,
43:33
Speaker 1: we all go through that. I thought Saturday night, after
43:35
Speaker 1: not sleeping at all, if you listen to my podcast,
43:38
Speaker 1: I thought I was throwing about sixty miles an hour.
43:41
Speaker 1: I didn't have much. I was like, that was a
43:42
Speaker 1: terrible podcast. It happens to us all no matter what
43:45
Speaker 1: you do, it is inevitable. He did not have a
43:48
Speaker 1: good game, his confidence was lost, and he was a
43:52
Speaker 1: gigantic liability. And I do think and Casario's very involved.
43:57
Speaker 1: I do think they made a mistake by leaving him
43:59
Speaker 1: in there, because I don't think, and maybe they know
44:01
Speaker 1: him better, that he'll lose his confidence. You won't be
44:03
Speaker 1: able to get him back. But you had to throw
44:05
Speaker 1: a curveball. You could not look Will Anderson, daneil Hunter
44:09
Speaker 1: Petrie all those guys in the face and saying we're
44:11
Speaker 1: doing giving ourselves the best chance to win with throwing
44:14
Speaker 1: him out there. He couldn't play. And right now, Coward
44:17
Speaker 1: asked me this tonight, would you give CJ. Stroud an extension? Like,
44:22
Speaker 1: to me, it's not even a I wouldn't even have
44:24
Speaker 1: the conversation if I'm Casio, if his agent called me,
44:27
Speaker 1: It's like, this is not on the table, Like, well,
44:31
Speaker 1: you're gonna give one to Will Anderson. Well, yeah, he's
44:33
Speaker 1: one of the best fucking dudes in the league. Your
44:36
Speaker 1: quarterback just had a two game stretch in the playoffs
44:38
Speaker 1: with like twenty seven interceptions and fumbles, So like one
44:43
Speaker 1: I need. In this conference, we're lucky in our division
44:47
Speaker 1: we play in a dome, the Colts playing a dome,
44:49
Speaker 1: the Jags playing ninety seven degrees, and the Titans are
44:53
Speaker 1: irrelevant and suck. But in this conference, the Chiefs, the Bills,
44:58
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the Ravens, the Steelers. I mean, there are
45:02
Speaker 1: a lot of teams in this conference Denver that play
45:06
Speaker 1: in cold weather, like cold, like freezing cold, frigid weather.
45:11
Speaker 1: If anyone with a pulse ever resurrects, the Jets like
45:14
Speaker 1: this is a place where you're gonna go on the
45:16
Speaker 1: road in cold ass games? How many times over the
45:20
Speaker 1: course you know, the last twenty five years, mahomes Brady
45:23
Speaker 1: Manning outside, I need you to play well in the cold.
45:26
Speaker 1: He can't and to me, like, you're not playing well
45:29
Speaker 1: enough in the regular season for me to overlook that.
45:31
Speaker 1: So we got to have a massive jump next year.
45:34
Speaker 1: And part of it's on us, right. We have a
45:39
Speaker 1: massive offseason to improve all our offensive line. We have
45:43
Speaker 1: our own first round pick. We have the Washington Commanders
45:45
Speaker 1: first or second round pick, which I think is in
45:48
Speaker 1: the top forty. We got to hit on some players
45:50
Speaker 1: free agency. We got to figure out how to keep
45:52
Speaker 1: Denil Hunter around here. But we need you to like
45:57
Speaker 1: you're not Josh Allen, stop trying to do that. You
46:01
Speaker 1: need to become more Jared Goff and play smart. And
46:05
Speaker 1: I think CJ thinks he's like this ad liber and
46:08
Speaker 1: you saw to night it was like earlier today was
46:12
Speaker 1: a nightmare. I mean, that's, let's face it, for a
46:14
Speaker 1: guy who was drafted high, he's been a multi year starter.
46:17
Speaker 1: That's as bad of a game as you can ever see.
46:19
Speaker 1: It doesn't get any worse and I think one downfall
46:23
Speaker 1: of Tamiko is I don't think that would have flown
46:26
Speaker 1: with Rabel. I think he's yanked historically, all the defensive coaches.
46:30
Speaker 1: He's out of the game. They just wouldn't have tolerated
46:33
Speaker 1: it because it's not okay, like this is my defense
46:38
Speaker 1: is I mean, they looked incredible. I actually with every
46:43
Speaker 1: interception that happened, and they would force them a punt,
46:46
Speaker 1: I mean interception, punt, interception, punt. I'm just reading those
46:51
Speaker 1: are CJ interceptions. And then the defense like is forcing
46:54
Speaker 1: three and outs and Drake may is just it's like
46:59
Speaker 1: getting just destroid from all angles. But it's a tough
47:04
Speaker 1: one and I think part of that is, like obviously
47:07
Speaker 1: your skill set, you're not gonna be Tom Brady or
47:10
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger thrown through the wind. No one expects you
47:13
Speaker 1: to do that, but to be a high level quarterback
47:16
Speaker 1: in the NFL, to be a guy like our organization
47:19
Speaker 1: is too well run. We're not going to give a
47:21
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray contract. We'd rather get thrown off a bridge
47:25
Speaker 1: than give it to a contract that's not gonna happen here.
47:27
Speaker 1: We're not getting rid of you, but next year is
47:30
Speaker 1: a massive, massive year in his career. It really is,
47:33
Speaker 1: and honestly could define is he one of those guys
47:36
Speaker 1: getting a huge contract or does his career kind of
47:39
Speaker 1: derail because, let's face it, if it doesn't go well
47:43
Speaker 1: and he has some more moments in these colder weathers,
47:46
Speaker 1: even the shitty teams in the cold weather, how could
47:49
Speaker 1: you pull the trigger and sign him if he one
47:50
Speaker 1: day became available if he can't play in those conditions.
47:54
Speaker 1: So I've always been a fan everything I've heard about him,
47:57
Speaker 1: Like I become fans of people when I find out
47:59
Speaker 1: about them off the field and kind of what they
48:01
Speaker 1: stand for, And like, I like everything I've heard from
48:05
Speaker 1: my people that know, But like there is also a
48:09
Speaker 1: skill set that comes along with it. And you saw
48:12
Speaker 1: tonight Stafford and Caleb playing in these conditions. Then you
48:14
Speaker 1: saw CJ. You're like, what is going on? California kid
48:17
Speaker 1: playing in a dome. I saw one of the basketball
48:22
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connor used to work for Simmons tweet out some
48:25
Speaker 1: quotes you have about the things he likes the least
48:27
Speaker 1: about football, and one of them was playing in the cold.
48:30
Speaker 1: Like you can't have that mindset, Like what's Will Anderson
48:35
Speaker 1: from Bama went to Bama, plays in a dome. You
48:38
Speaker 1: think that guy gives a shit. He he'd play in Iceland,
48:41
Speaker 1: he'd play in Alaska, he'd play and he did. It
48:44
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter he play in the parking lot he played on,
48:47
Speaker 1: you know, a turf field, rocks, it doesn't matter. And
48:51
Speaker 1: I think anytime that's kind of in your head, you
48:53
Speaker 1: kind of play like that and you could see it happening.
48:55
Speaker 1: So just a disaster. And listen, maybe I'm more excited
48:59
Speaker 1: about this because I had money on the Texans, But
49:02
Speaker 1: even as I'm watching the game, it's like, twenty one
49:04
Speaker 1: to sixteen, like you're right there, it's there to be won.
49:09
Speaker 1: And it wasn't because he was that bad. He was.
49:13
Speaker 1: I just don't remember anything quite like that, not when
49:15
Speaker 1: a defense has been playing that good. Really, not when
49:18
Speaker 1: a defense has been playing that good. And I think
49:19
Speaker 1: it also gets back to this unwillingness to pull guys. Now.
49:24
Speaker 1: I saw Davis Mills bring them back for it in
49:25
Speaker 1: a twenty nine to ten game against Jacksonville went how
49:27
Speaker 1: many games Jacksonville went thirteen fourteen. They were one of
49:31
Speaker 1: the best teams in the league. He brought them right down. Now.
49:33
Speaker 1: I get if I remember correctly, I think that game
49:35
Speaker 1: was indoors. But still the Yeah, they won thirteen games.
49:40
Speaker 1: So it's just that one's tough, man, that one's really tough.
49:44
Speaker 1: So congrats to the Patriots, Congrats the Rams. Always you know,
49:48
Speaker 1: a really big deal when you when obviously you win
49:51
Speaker 1: this round, you're sixty minutes away from being the super Bowl,
49:55
Speaker 1: which about as cool as it gets. This is gonna
49:59
Speaker 1: be better. We'll get into all the different angles of
50:02
Speaker 1: this game and some big picture thoughts. The other big
50:18
Speaker 1: topic that I wanted to touch on that I haven't
50:21
Speaker 1: yet was John Harbaugh. I do just want to say
50:24
Speaker 1: that the amount that there has never been a time
50:28
Speaker 1: and this is not gonna last forever. I've been saying
50:30
Speaker 1: this for a long time about football. It's not going
50:34
Speaker 1: to be this powerhouse, best business in America or one
50:37
Speaker 1: of them for the next forty years, for the next
50:39
Speaker 1: one hundred years. That's not the way the world works, right,
50:42
Speaker 1: Things EBB and flow, things are on top and then
50:44
Speaker 1: they're not. They're societal shifts. I mean, there's one going
50:48
Speaker 1: on right now with alcohol. Less people drink than ever
50:51
Speaker 1: that impacts like if you alcohol sales used to be
50:54
Speaker 1: recession proof. Now they're not, and now they get impacted dramatically.
50:58
Speaker 1: Younger people value their health now more than ever. That
51:02
Speaker 1: impacts certain industries more than others. Football will one day,
51:08
Speaker 1: I don't know when. I'm not making a prediction that's
51:10
Speaker 1: anytime soon, and I'm not rooting for this at all.
51:13
Speaker 1: I hope until I'm dead, and if my young son
51:18
Speaker 1: loves football, I hope he gets to live through the
51:21
Speaker 1: Golden Ages as well. But that's not the way things
51:24
Speaker 1: happen typically, right So one day football will come down
51:29
Speaker 1: and the money will change. But right now the money
51:33
Speaker 1: is a flowing and John Harbaugh just signed a contract.
51:37
Speaker 1: You know these college coaches like Signetti or Lane that
51:40
Speaker 1: signed for ninety one hundred million dollars, it's typically like
51:43
Speaker 1: nine or ten years or seven or eight years. Like
51:45
Speaker 1: it's long term contracts. Lincoln Riley was like ten for
51:48
Speaker 1: one oh five or whatever. John Harbot signed a hundred
51:51
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, five year deal. I mean, if this
51:53
Speaker 1: goes well in a couple of years, he will get
51:55
Speaker 1: an extension. John Harbbaugh's probably what do you think he's
51:58
Speaker 1: been making the last five years? Seventeen million dollars. John
52:01
Speaker 1: Harbad just in the last like from twenty twenty to
52:04
Speaker 1: twenty thirty, well of bank money, Like he's a fortune
52:08
Speaker 1: five hundred CEO. He's a man that shows up to
52:11
Speaker 1: the office with a whistle around his neck. So it
52:13
Speaker 1: is a great time to be a good football coach
52:17
Speaker 1: or a great football coach. You were paid incredible amounts
52:21
Speaker 1: of money, and John Harbaugh for the Giants made a
52:25
Speaker 1: ton of sense. I've only been to New York a
52:29
Speaker 1: handful of times, obviously lived in the general region when
52:32
Speaker 1: I lived in Philly, but I think it's pretty clear
52:35
Speaker 1: as just a sports fan, the best coaches in my
52:39
Speaker 1: lifetime in New York have been fatherlikes figures. Is almost
52:45
Speaker 1: an understatement that they had. There was just a swag
52:50
Speaker 1: and a boss like feel to him. Bill Parcells, Tom Coughlin,
52:54
Speaker 1: pat Riley coaching the Knicks, Joe Tory coaching the Yankees.
52:58
Speaker 1: You just knew that guy was a one. That guy
53:01
Speaker 1: in a two or three. He's a one. He's the
53:04
Speaker 1: leader of this operation. And I think the Giants have
53:07
Speaker 1: gone through a stretch where they've had a lot of
53:09
Speaker 1: twos and threes. And I've said this forever about the NFL.
53:12
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be a two or three. The NFL
53:14
Speaker 1: is a great industry to be one it because it
53:16
Speaker 1: pays millions of dollars. Now, if you're a great one
53:19
Speaker 1: in the NFL, John Harball, you get one hundred million dollars.
53:22
Speaker 1: But John's proven that his family is a family of elphas.
53:26
Speaker 1: Jack Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh. Those guys are badasses.
53:31
Speaker 1: Like I will spend a lot of time around Jim
53:33
Speaker 1: for a couple of years when he was coaching the Niners,
53:34
Speaker 1: going to those practices, there was a swag and a
53:37
Speaker 1: feel to him when he walked in a room, when
53:39
Speaker 1: you just saw them. I remember one time at the Combine.
53:42
Speaker 1: I was a young scout and we had a box
53:45
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis and we're all just like in the box
53:48
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know if I got sent on
53:51
Speaker 1: a sandwich run or someone got sent There was like
53:52
Speaker 1: this place that either Howie or Andy loved in Indianapolis.
53:55
Speaker 1: We ordered like twenty five of the sandwiches and we
53:58
Speaker 1: come back in with the bags of the sandwiches to watch.
54:00
Speaker 1: You know, some guys run routes on air or something,
54:03
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I'm kind of by the
54:05
Speaker 1: door and I see John and Jim turn in the room.
54:10
Speaker 1: I just and this is twenty ten or eleven, and
54:13
Speaker 1: I see coach read light up and they all hug,
54:15
Speaker 1: and it was just there's something about like these guys
54:18
Speaker 1: were born to be head coaches. Bill Parcells was put
54:22
Speaker 1: on this earth to be the boss. Pat Riley was
54:25
Speaker 1: put on this earth to be the boss, not like
54:28
Speaker 1: the VP of sales, not an assistant coach, to be
54:31
Speaker 1: the head fucking honcho. And the Giants have been desperate
54:36
Speaker 1: to hire someone who can be the head honcho, who
54:39
Speaker 1: can be the leader of the pack, and John fills
54:44
Speaker 1: that role. Now, my one concern is the Giants kind
54:50
Speaker 1: of like the Packers are a throwback organization. They have
54:54
Speaker 1: had an organizational hierarchy that had gone through the general manager,
55:00
Speaker 1: which is kind of rare, like John Schneider has that
55:03
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Like Mike Rabil ain't answering anybody. Sean Payton
55:07
Speaker 1: adn't answering anybody. Obviously Less is a powerful guy, but
55:12
Speaker 1: Sean probably makes three x's salary. Like if Sean wants something,
55:16
Speaker 1: he's getting it. You know. Typically these coaches like Kyle Shannan.
55:19
Speaker 1: If he wants something, he's getting it, like the lead
55:21
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson at this point in time, like you think
55:23
Speaker 1: he's if he wants a player in this upcoming draft,
55:25
Speaker 1: he's getting getting told. No. You think after that year
55:28
Speaker 1: what he just did with the Bears fucking high on crack.
55:31
Speaker 1: I mean, so typically coaches have a lot of juice.
55:36
Speaker 1: John Horribull has been very lucky. He got to work
55:38
Speaker 1: with Ozzie Newsom, who is gonna go down right there
55:41
Speaker 1: with Ron Wolf Al Davis short list of individuals, John
55:47
Speaker 1: Schneider maybe one day, Howie, I mean, is the great
55:50
Speaker 1: GMS in the history of this sport. And then to
55:53
Speaker 1: Eric Tacosta who had basically understudied under Ozzie, and their
55:57
Speaker 1: personnel department is elite. So I was told this about Demiko.
56:01
Speaker 1: You have the best part about Dimiko's job. Obviously he's
56:03
Speaker 1: a great coach and knows what he's doing. He don't
56:05
Speaker 1: have to worry about players. Texas personnel department's really good,
56:08
Speaker 1: like Casario can handle that. It helps, you know what,
56:11
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald doesn't need to worry about the roster. You
56:13
Speaker 1: know's got that handled. John Schneider, John Harbaugh now and listen.
56:18
Speaker 1: I respect it. He's just telling Ian O'Connor everything. He's like, hey,
56:22
Speaker 1: I just I had a steak, two potatoes, mac and cheese,
56:26
Speaker 1: and a glass of Pinot nineteen eighty seven from Napa
56:32
Speaker 1: tonight meeting with Themara's and three other people that I
56:35
Speaker 1: don't even know their name, and he's just like tweeting
56:37
Speaker 1: it out. So he was just telling it all. He's
56:39
Speaker 1: just quoting, like I answer to the owner. He put
56:42
Speaker 1: that out, not in a statement like through the team.
56:45
Speaker 1: He put that his own statement that he told the reporter,
56:50
Speaker 1: which I respect. And John has all the leverage in
56:52
Speaker 1: the situation. The Giants need him, he does not need them.
56:56
Speaker 1: He would get jobs if you wanted to take a
56:58
Speaker 1: year off travel with his family. He would teams lined
57:00
Speaker 1: up for him next year. He is in high demand
57:03
Speaker 1: right The Titans were ready to throw one hundred million
57:05
Speaker 1: dollars out him. Now. I wouldn't take the Titans job,
57:07
Speaker 1: and I would love to live in Nashville, But if
57:09
Speaker 1: I was a football coach, wouldn't touch that job. With
57:11
Speaker 1: the twenty football I think it's very risky. It's got
57:14
Speaker 1: a lot of issues going on. The Giants have had
57:16
Speaker 1: issues but it's still the New York Giants. It's one
57:18
Speaker 1: of the most prestigious organizations in all of sports. When
57:21
Speaker 1: it's right, you have all of New York, you're a
57:23
Speaker 1: massive brand, and you also get in at a great time.
57:26
Speaker 1: It's like when Saban took over Alabama. If you do
57:29
Speaker 1: resurrect this, you get extra credit because they've been so shitty.
57:31
Speaker 1: So when I saw that John Harbaugh won't answer to
57:34
Speaker 1: Joe Shane, I don't blame him. If I was John
57:37
Speaker 1: Harbaugh in what world, like I get the GM, Jerry
57:41
Speaker 1: Reese or God, I forget the guy's name. Who what's
57:45
Speaker 1: the guy's name, Ernie Corsi? Like you answer to the GM.
57:48
Speaker 1: That's not the way it's gonna work here. I'm not
57:51
Speaker 1: answering to that guy because he's Joe Shane. So if
57:55
Speaker 1: I'm the Giants and I get you have this personal
57:58
Speaker 1: relationship with him, I'm sorry you have to fire Joe Shane.
58:02
Speaker 1: This is not an apples to apples situation. But I
58:05
Speaker 1: remember when Mark Davis hired John Gruden, gave him ten years,
58:08
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, which at the time was insane,
58:12
Speaker 1: but he had to do it because Tampa was offering
58:14
Speaker 1: a ton of money, and he really wanted John Gruden.
58:16
Speaker 1: He said, John, I'm giving you a hundred million dollars.
58:18
Speaker 1: You're in charge, but I really like Reggie McKenzie. Will
58:22
Speaker 1: you just work with Reggie McKenzie. John, because he just
58:26
Speaker 1: got a hundred million dollars, had to suck it up,
58:29
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'll give him a try.
58:30
Speaker 1: Reggie McKenzie was never going to survive with John Gruden,
58:34
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He was fired a year later. And
58:36
Speaker 1: then obviously I like Mike Mayock, but that was given
58:39
Speaker 1: at the time pretty risky, hied and kind of backfired.
58:42
Speaker 1: But why wouldn't the Giants go, hey, listen, John, we
58:47
Speaker 1: understand that you don't want to answer to Joe Shane Again,
58:50
Speaker 1: don't blame you. In what world would John Harbaugh take
58:55
Speaker 1: orders about the draft or personnel people to them. But
58:58
Speaker 1: we're also not that comfortable paying a coach one hundred
59:01
Speaker 1: million dollars and then just giving him the ability to
59:04
Speaker 1: pick all the players and make all the personal decisions
59:07
Speaker 1: when you've never done that and if anything, the most
59:09
Speaker 1: successful coach post Belichick, Andy Reid said when he left
59:14
Speaker 1: the Eagles and got his new job The number one
59:16
Speaker 1: thing he said is like I don't want to do
59:18
Speaker 1: this job anymore. It's it's I want someone to help
59:21
Speaker 1: me out that I know. And that's where I think.
59:24
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. Obviously, I don't think John Harbaugh
59:28
Speaker 1: wants to be the bad guy and go in there
59:30
Speaker 1: and fire him. But I also think the giants then
59:33
Speaker 1: need to step up and just hey, put it on us.
59:35
Speaker 1: I saw this clip on Instagram that this dad was
59:38
Speaker 1: doing an interview. Must have been a finance guy, and
59:41
Speaker 1: he puts in the will for his kids that it
59:46
Speaker 1: is mandatory for them to get a prenup when they
59:50
Speaker 1: get married or they will be kicked out of the will.
59:53
Speaker 1: And he said, part of it is when you get married,
59:57
Speaker 1: especially you know my kids, if they were gonna get
1:00:00
Speaker 1: married young, you're not always thinking straight. And if we
1:00:03
Speaker 1: have a family business, you get into this position where,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: even if you know you don't regret it later on,
1:00:09
Speaker 1: there is a pretty big risk. But also, I don't
1:00:12
Speaker 1: want to make you the bad guy in the relationship,
1:00:14
Speaker 1: so you can look at your significant other and be like,
1:00:16
Speaker 1: my father is the bad guy. Put it And the
1:00:19
Speaker 1: dad was like, put it on me. I don't give
1:00:21
Speaker 1: a shit, say I make it. If we're gonna work
1:00:23
Speaker 1: for this company, the prenup is mandatory for this operation
1:00:27
Speaker 1: to keep going. And I was like, that's kind of
1:00:29
Speaker 1: genius because think how many people have had this conversation
1:00:31
Speaker 1: over the years. I don't know prenup, But then again,
1:00:34
Speaker 1: I didn't have much to bring to the table in
1:00:36
Speaker 1: the first place. She technically had more assets than me,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: but I kind of understood. I was like, that's kind
1:00:41
Speaker 1: of genius. It takes the pressure off the person. The
1:00:43
Speaker 1: Giants could have easily done that. That would have been
1:00:45
Speaker 1: the number one thing. Chris and I don't know exactly
1:00:48
Speaker 1: John's situation of the cancer and fighting it is, but
1:00:52
Speaker 1: what do you need? We know you don't want to
1:00:54
Speaker 1: come out, And Diana Russini and Albert Brier are saying,
1:00:57
Speaker 1: like John Harbud demanded Joe Shane because I think he
1:01:00
Speaker 1: respects the profession and doesn't want like that blood in
1:01:03
Speaker 1: his hands. The Giant should have got the hint and
1:01:06
Speaker 1: figured it out and done it for him that this relationship,
1:01:09
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe that happens over the course of
1:01:11
Speaker 1: the next week. But if it doesn't, I think that's
1:01:15
Speaker 1: pretty crazy because clearly John wanted no part of the
1:01:18
Speaker 1: previous hierarchy and answering to Joe, But to force him
1:01:23
Speaker 1: then to work with him is just so stupid because
1:01:26
Speaker 1: you basically have Joe who has a year to be
1:01:30
Speaker 1: the greatest yes man of all time and do everything
1:01:32
Speaker 1: he can to prove his worth to this guy, which
1:01:36
Speaker 1: might never have mattered because you were never going to
1:01:39
Speaker 1: be his guy. And why didn't you just hire that
1:01:41
Speaker 1: guy right now? Now? You could argue that every once
1:01:43
Speaker 1: in a while it happens. It happened with Sean Payton
1:01:45
Speaker 1: and George Peyton in Denver, maybe it happens with Elliott
1:01:51
Speaker 1: Wolf and Vrabel now. The difference is Elliot Wolf has
1:01:54
Speaker 1: worked in the NFL for like twenty five years. He's
1:01:56
Speaker 1: Ron Wolf's son, pretty highly regarded. I don't know him personally,
1:02:01
Speaker 1: met him a couple times, never heard a bad thing.
1:02:03
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say he knows what he's doing.
1:02:06
Speaker 1: Patten was or Peyton always getting messed up. I used
1:02:09
Speaker 1: to call him General Peyton, but or Patten. I think
1:02:11
Speaker 1: it might be George Peyton, which would be like Sean Payton.
1:02:15
Speaker 1: But whatever, I'm sorry to screw up your name. I
1:02:18
Speaker 1: just talked about Sean Payton so much. If you're listening,
1:02:21
Speaker 1: which I hope you are, because I'd be pretty cool.
1:02:24
Speaker 1: I do believe that it's possible to figure it out.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: But he was another guy that was interviewing for GM
1:02:28
Speaker 1: jobs forever, and I think the Giant should be really excited.
1:02:33
Speaker 1: And if you're a Giants fan, this is a massive
1:02:35
Speaker 1: moment because it brings back credibility for a franchise that
1:02:39
Speaker 1: was kind of dead, and this situation is the only
1:02:42
Speaker 1: thing that could derail it. It's just being weird and
1:02:45
Speaker 1: kind of a waste of everyone's energy of trying to
1:02:47
Speaker 1: force feed something that doesn't need to be force fed.
1:02:51
Speaker 1: So that, to me is something I was gonna keep
1:02:53
Speaker 1: an eye on. I was gonna talk about this other thing,
1:02:56
Speaker 1: but we've been going for a while. Basically, would you
1:02:59
Speaker 1: rather lose like the Niners of the Bills? And my
1:03:02
Speaker 1: theory was, if you're the Chiefs or the Brady Patriots
1:03:07
Speaker 1: and you've won a lot of Super Bowls, you would
1:03:09
Speaker 1: rather always lose in excruciating, excruciating factor fashion, right like
1:03:15
Speaker 1: the Bears deny like and the Bears are you if
1:03:17
Speaker 1: you've sucked forever? You want to be in the game.
1:03:19
Speaker 1: You want to play a great game even if you lose,
1:03:22
Speaker 1: but when you haven't won, losing in the worst possible fashion,
1:03:28
Speaker 1: I just I feel for Bills fans. I really do that.
1:03:33
Speaker 1: Just I was thinking about that today, Like God, that sucks.
1:03:36
Speaker 1: I mean, their players are all in tears, their fans
1:03:38
Speaker 1: are in tiers, you know, when you just get beat
1:03:41
Speaker 1: like the forty nine ers, Because I think if you
1:03:43
Speaker 1: would have told forty nine er fans it's like, oh, yeah,
1:03:46
Speaker 1: we were playing with house money. True, but if you
1:03:49
Speaker 1: would have been in overtime with Seattle and then lost,
1:03:52
Speaker 1: today would have been rough. Because you've never won a
1:03:55
Speaker 1: super Bowl with Kyle, You've been really close, and now
1:03:58
Speaker 1: you've been really close again. I think sometimes either just
1:04:00
Speaker 1: to get your teeth kicked in, then just lose in
1:04:04
Speaker 1: the worst way possible, over and over and over again,
1:04:09
Speaker 1: as the Bills have. So both ways suck because you
1:04:14
Speaker 1: lose and the goal of the game is to win.
1:04:18
Speaker 1: But the Vikings have gone through this lot over the years,
1:04:22
Speaker 1: awful losses when you haven't got over the hump, I
1:04:26
Speaker 1: feel like sting really really hard. And then there's a
1:04:28
Speaker 1: category that bears where you're just so happy to be there.
1:04:31
Speaker 1: It's gonna sting, but within a couple of days you'll
1:04:33
Speaker 1: be able to hold your head high and be excited.
1:04:37
Speaker 1: Audios will see you guys tomorrow. I guess we got
1:04:40
Speaker 1: a college football game, Indiana playing Miami. Like Indiana in
1:04:44
Speaker 1: that game. Actually, the more I thought about it, probably
1:04:46
Speaker 1: gonna bet on Indiana wouldn't shock me at all. Stuck,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: you brought up a good point. Sometimes you look up
1:04:52
Speaker 1: at the end of the season that's happened with LSU
1:04:53
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow and they just blow everyone out, Like
1:04:56
Speaker 1: would it shock anyone if you just Indiana wins the game,
1:05:00
Speaker 1: you know, thirty eight to ten. I'm tempted, like I
1:05:03
Speaker 1: want to take Miami. And the more and more I
1:05:05
Speaker 1: thought about it, like I'm just no betting against this
1:05:07
Speaker 1: Indiana team. The volume