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KAKÁ _ CANNAVARO - Podpah _998 · Luke's English Podcast

• 1:56
  Speaker 1: Check it out. Where are we? I don't know if
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: you already understood.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Mítico Jovem.
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: What is this, man?
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: They closed Maracanã for us.
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: We can do some crazy stuff like this, but this
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: one was the biggest.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: And you saw, right?
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: I'm ready for a baptism.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 2:26
  Speaker 4: Man, you're beautiful, man.
• 2:28
  Speaker 3: You see? Damn. It didn't even match, but it's white.
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: It's balanced, right?
• 2:32
  Speaker 3: Alright.
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: Young, young. Young.
• 2:34
  Speaker 5: Look.
• 2:36
  Speaker 6: Before we start our wonderful episode, my God, a legendary
• 2:39
  Speaker 6: meeting here.
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: No, say that we are in Maracanã, man.
• 2:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you understand, but we are at
• 2:44
  Speaker 6: the football temple, we are in Maracanã, my God, the
• 2:47
  Speaker 6: most iconic stadium in Brazil. Mítico Jovem, a lot of
• 2:50
  Speaker 6: things have already happened here. Even I was champion last
• 2:53
  Speaker 6: month here, but I don't want to talk much about.
• 2:54
  Speaker 4: It now, right? Now it's time to talk about who
• 2:56
  Speaker 4: brought us here, who, my.
• 2:57
  Speaker 6: God, closed Maracanã for us. This guy here, do you
• 3:01
  Speaker 6: know him? Malbec, Mítico Jovem.
• 3:06
  Speaker 4: Malbec Black Legend.
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 3:07
  Speaker 6: Limited edition that is coming now with a more striking fragrance.
• 3:12
  Speaker 6: Do you know that amadeirado of respect, Mítico Jovem?
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 3:16
  Speaker 4: It's that unmistakable amadeirado.
• 3:17
  Speaker 6: Wow, there's a Nero Amaro wine chord to make this
• 3:23
  Speaker 6: fragrance even more legendary.
• 3:25
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Once, I swear to God, Mítico, I broke one
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: of my father's.
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: He killed you.
• 3:31
  Speaker 4: It's better to put details.
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: When you evolve in life, you have to launch a Malbec.
• 3:35
  Speaker 5: You launch a Malbec.
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 3:36
  Speaker 6: And look, with the Podpah coupon, you don't win any,
• 3:39
  Speaker 6: not even two. There are three special gifts. It's the
• 3:43
  Speaker 6: favorite brand of the masculine perfumery, because this is a
• 3:46
  Speaker 6: legend of the perfumery, right? Cacá is the first global
• 3:50
  Speaker 6: ambassador of the brand, including the movie, congratulations.
• 3:54
  Speaker 5: What is this?
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  Speaker 4: Did you see when he gave the lightning there?
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: I said, what is this? Marvel? At the time of
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: the burrifada, I never knew.
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: Did you see that perfect burrifada?
• 4:00
  Speaker 7: It's true, we went to the director to know. He
• 4:02
  Speaker 7: said he recorded almost first this burrifada.
• 4:06
  Speaker 6: Malbec, Black Legend, one legend always recognizes the other. And
• 4:10
  Speaker 6: let's talk to them, okay, Mítico Jovem?
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 4:12
  Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Boticário, we're together. My God, except you,
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  Speaker 6: we have two other wonderful, world-class legends. World champions and
• 4:20
  Speaker 6: the best in the world.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: That's not easy, Mítico.
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  Speaker 7: But before you announce it, guys, follow Boticário on social media.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: Please.
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  Speaker 7: For us to keep doing it. Look at this crazy
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  Speaker 7: thing we did here. Imagine the next ones. Continue with us, Boticário.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go. Meet them too.
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  Speaker 6: Receive them. With a lot of affection. Make a lot
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  Speaker 6: of noise. Clap your hands.
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  Speaker 3: Scream.
• 4:40
  Speaker 6: We're in the stadium for our guests today. Kaká and Canavaro.
• 4:44
  Speaker 6: I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: Clap your hands. What is this?
• 4:48
  Speaker 4: That's it, man.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go.
• 4:54
  Speaker 4: Good afternoon, how are you?
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  Speaker 5: Captain.
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  Speaker 1: No, you go.
• 5:00
  Speaker 5: Good afternoon, good afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be here with you again, recording.
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  Speaker 4: Here at the office, right?
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 5:07
  Speaker 4: This office.
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  Speaker 6: Kaka was playing with us. He said, today is work day,
• 5:09
  Speaker 6: I'm here at my office.
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  Speaker 3: Very cool, man.
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: How do you say good afternoon in Italian?
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  Speaker 5: It's buongiorno, right?
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: It's buongiorno.
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  Speaker 2: In Italy, we don't use buongiorno. Buongiorno would be buon pomeriggio,
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: but we don't use buongiorno.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, Canavale.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for this invitation. I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 1: It's the second time I come to this stadium. I've
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: never played here, but it's always exciting. You already started
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: talking about this.
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  Speaker 7: I was going to ask you how many times you've
• 5:38
  Speaker 7: come to Brazil, if you've already enjoyed Brazil.
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: What do you.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: Know about Brazil, apart from the stages? During the World
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: Cup in Brazil, I was here in Rio for a month.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to ride it a lot. It's
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: a fantastic country, wonderful people. I come from Naples and
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: it's a bit like Rio. And then today I was
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: lucky enough to... I have a passion which is cycling.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: Today I was lucky enough to ride it on a
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  Speaker 1: bike and I appreciated it even more. The only thing
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: is that I went the wrong way. I came to
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  Speaker 1: a hill and I worked too hard.
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  Speaker 3: But do you like Rio? Do you like Rio?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I like it a lot. Every time I come,
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: I like it. It's always in the city, which has
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  Speaker 1: a crazy energy. And so it's very nice to come back.
• 6:32
  Speaker 6: Kaka, you speak several languages. When you speak Italian, do
• 6:35
  Speaker 6: you feel that you are more elegant? Do you feel
• 6:37
  Speaker 6: that you are more... Damn, he speaks Italian for free.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, fuck!
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  Speaker 5: It's cool, right? To know how to speak other languages.
• 6:45
  Speaker 5: Where I went.
• 6:47
  Speaker 5: I think communication is very important.
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  Speaker 2: You are from the communication area, you understand what I'm saying. So,
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  Speaker 2: where I ended up playing, I wanted to understand the language,
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: which I think is part of the culture of the place,
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: and to communicate with the people there.
• 7:01
  Speaker 5: What was the most difficult for us?
• 7:03
  Speaker 3: English.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: English was the most difficult for me because I speak Portuguese,
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: Italian and Spanish. Italian and Spanish are Latin, so... They
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: look alike, let's say. It's similar, the organization, the grammar,
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: the way you build a sentence. So it's very similar.
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: English has some things that are very different. Some different times,
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  Speaker 2: a different way. There was a moment when it didn't
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: make sense for me. And it really can't be translated,
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: it didn't make sense. But it's cool, I really like communication.
• 7:38
  Speaker 6: I want to know from you two, especially from our mister,
• 7:41
  Speaker 6: from the Bextão.
• 7:42
  Speaker 4: First time that Bextão goes to a World Cup.
• 7:46
  Speaker 6: How does this euphoria of the locker room control the
• 7:48
  Speaker 6: fact that it's the first time they're playing the World Cup?
• 7:51
  Speaker 6: But we're also going to compete, there has to be
• 7:55
  Speaker 6: a certain seriousness.
• 7:56
  Speaker 4: How does this control it?
• 7:58
  Speaker 6: And I also want to know, after Kaká, about his
• 8:00
  Speaker 6: anxiety of reaching the World Cup and seeing a friend
• 8:03
  Speaker 6: playing as a.
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: Coach.
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: Well, the World Cup is the dream of everyone. the players,
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: those who start playing football as a child. For me
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: it was something extraordinary. I made four as a player.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: This year I will be lucky enough to make one
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: as a coach, which is completely different because as a
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: player you have to think about yourself, as a coach
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: you have to think about everything around you and it's
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: not easy. Making it to a small national team like
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Uzbekistan is even more difficult. Because you go with players
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: who play in a lower level league. On a emotional level,
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: it will be very important to be close to them,
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: to give them a hand. Because when you play the
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: World Cup for the first time, you enter the field
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: and say, oh shit, where am I? And so, on
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  Speaker 1: my part, it will have to be.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: My job will be to make them feel good. But
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: the World Cup is everyone's dream. The problem is that
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: you play against players like that and you have to pray.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: You entered the national team after the qualifiers. When you received.
• 9:25
  Speaker 7: The invitation, did you accept the proposal? Did you think
• 9:29
  Speaker 7: about it? Did you talk to your family?
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: Well, certainly you don't go to the World Cup with
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: a national team that you say you already have experience with.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: I had a bit of uncertainty, but the fact that
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: you go to the World Cup made me overcome all
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: the uncertainties. It's just a stimulus. And then I was
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: lucky to meet my players. I was lucky to meet
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: my players and they gave me a lot of positive energy.
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  Speaker 1: Because even though I'm not a first-class player, But they
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: are players who give everything, they are players who play
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: for the national team, they are players who feel the
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: jersey of the national team, which maybe today is not
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: easy to find, because, rightly, players who play at certain levels,
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: when they go to the national team, sometimes they even slip.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: And instead, my players are extraordinary from this point of view,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm very happy. Nice, nice.
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  Speaker 4: What about you, Kaká?
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  Speaker 6: When are we going to see you at the edge
• 10:44
  Speaker 6: of the grass? It's a driving course here, I see
• 10:48
  Speaker 6: him over there, always in a daze at FIFA events.
• 10:51
  Speaker 6: I say, man, Kaká can't let go of the grass, brother.
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: I can't stop, man.
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  Speaker 5: No, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I really can't let go of football. I'm always around, right?
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: I joke with my brother that we are orbiting, right?
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: There around the football, but directly I think it's not
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: my time yet.
• 11:08
  Speaker 5: To be in a club or in a national team.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to?
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  Speaker 2: As a difficult coach, it's not my greatest desire.
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: You suffer a lot, right?
• 11:18
  Speaker 5: It's a great dedication.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: I think the guy has to really love this function
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: of being a coach.
• 11:24
  Speaker 5: And it's not my great love. But with feats, it
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: doesn't happen.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: No, it happens.
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  Speaker 5: I did the coach course here at CBF.
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: I have the license A. I could be a coach.
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  Speaker 2: I did some sports management courses.
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: This is what I like the most. This part of management, strategy, business.
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  Speaker 2: To organize the club, this is something that I really like,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: but it's a very big area of dedication, so you
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: need a very big sacrifice, and today my time with
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: my family is very important to me. So, four children,
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: my wife, I like to have this time with them,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: and when you go to football, even dedicated there, you
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: need to give up a lot of things that today
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be willing to make this sacrifice. I can
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: balance it this way, I can be with my family,
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: which is what I like today, and I can be
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: in the middle of soccer, in the FIFA, UEFA events,
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: here in Brazil too, following São Paulo, following the clubs
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: where I played. So it's the way I get closer,
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: I get closer to the field, it's enjoying it.
• 12:28
  Speaker 5: But you can't.
• 12:29
  Speaker 6: Have that cold in your stomach, like, my God, I
• 12:31
  Speaker 6: want to participate in some effective way. Or being a driver, even,
• 12:37
  Speaker 6: being in the backstage, because that... I don't know, I
• 12:40
  Speaker 6: think it's your life since you were kids, right?
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: I never.
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: I imagine Cannavaro, since he stopped, didn't stop.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's that... I was like him at the beginning.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: As soon as I finished, I did all the courses.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: The course as a sports director, the course as a coach.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: I also wanted to do the course as a physiotherapist,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: but they didn't let me do it.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Wow, sir!
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: You did everything!
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: But they didn't let you, why?
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do everything. Why? Because I wanted to
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: stay out. Then one day I went to see a
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: game of my team and I didn't agree with the coach.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: So instead of going down and arguing with the coach,
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: I said, ok, perfect, next year I'll be the coach.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: Let's say I fuck with myself. From that day on,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: being a coach is a passion. As they say, a
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: lot of people suffer because being there... You know, the
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: player finishes the game and goes home. How do you
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: finish the game? You have to start working, you have
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: to start studying the game you played, but at the
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: same time you have to study what happens after the game.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: And so it's complicated. But it's also true that when
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: you win as a coach, And you enjoy it forever.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: You enjoy it forever. This is definitely something that gives
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: me the strength to go on. Of course, there are
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: many commitments. I found that the beauty of the national
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: team is that. Maybe I recommend you to do the
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: national team. Because you have much more free time than
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: to dedicate to the family, to the events, to the
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: things we do. But then there are the FIFA periods
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: that you have to find the solution in those 10 days. So,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a suggestion for Ricardo to think about the
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: national team.
• 14:44
  Speaker 7: I see you're preparing the field for him, but let's
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: say you're in these two worlds. Which one did you
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: find the best, the most pleasant, let's say, on the.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Pitch or on the field too, but coordinating the whole thing?
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I think he was already a player playing. Yes, but
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: as a footballer, fortunately, we have reached our maximum goals.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: As a coach, it still takes a lot of work. Then,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: it's normal. We were born to stay in the middle
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: of the field. We were born to stay in the
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: middle of the field. The problem is that the career
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: of a footballer lasts too little. I was reading an
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: interview by Canigia where he said that singers can sing
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: up to 80 years old. Actors can sing up to 80,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: 90 years old. Football players are 35 years old because
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: football is old. That's true, man. That must be.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: Different for them, right?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Like, he's old.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: But he's young.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: And his body is still very good. 33 years old.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: His mind is still better, right?
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: You're old for the sport and new for life. Man,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: it's not easy.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Stopping playing is a very delicate moment.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: It's a challenge.
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: It's very funny because we've talked to many players in
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: Brazil too.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: In Brazil, I think I'm... We're.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Listening to the Italian, right?
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
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  Speaker 7: And it's very funny because half of the players say, man,
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: I didn't want to stop.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: I stopped, confused.
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: And there are players who really, no, I wanted to stop,
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: it was enough for me, I couldn't take it anymore
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: to train.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't want that anymore.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I think training is the worst.
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: I realized that when it comes to training for the players,
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: there comes a time when they say, I can't take
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: it anymore, training with you was kind of like that too.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: So, no, I'll give you the example of Fabio here.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: The guy brought the bicycle from Italy.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: There will be a bicycle here, I swear.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: No, today in the morning. He told you here that
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: he pedaled this morning. He brought the bicycle and went
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to do his training.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: So we miss it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: Many athletes miss training.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: When I stopped playing, I went to do a marathon
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: because I wanted the routine of training, but with a goal.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: My goal is to run a marathon, but I wanted
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: that routine there. Today I do other sports to have
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the routine of training. So, for many, training was a weight,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: for others, no. In my case, when I stopped, I
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: was of everything, of the whole context. I wasn't so
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: happy there anymore. Football for me has always been a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: great pleasure. And the professional athlete lives with a balance
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: of pleasure and pain. And not only physical pain, of
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: muscle pain, but pain of sacrifice, of defeat, of emotions.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: The day that this balance was reversed, the pain became
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: greater than the pleasure, was when I understood that it
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: was time for me to.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Wow, but.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: How bad is that when you realize it? It's bad,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: but in my case.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'll say, It's a blessing that I chose, what you said,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: there are many guys who didn't choose, the guy for
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: an injury had to stop, or the market itself starts
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to discard the guy, anyway, there are moments and situations different,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: in my case I had this blessing of being able
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: to choose, but it was challenging, the moment to stop
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: is really challenging, because as an athlete, as a player,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: we live a level of emotions so great, I still
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: can't replicate it. I have a lot of family emotions.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: My children are great emotions.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: But not in that degree, in that level, right?
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: The field emotion, you know?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: To play a cup, to lift a cup, to win
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: a Champions League. And then many manage to replicate it
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: as a coach. even if it's not going to be
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the same as the player's day, you can somehow keep
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that emotion.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Keep that, right? Keep that somehow.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: It must be crazy, with today's world, you can't keep calm.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: But how was it for you when you decided to stop?
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: Was it kind of like that?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: How was your feeling? No, me too. My knee told me,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it's time to stay.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Home.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: My knee.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Right or left? Left, left, left. But fortunately I found
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the bike that helps me not to train, the bike
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: helps me to eat. Because here, riding a bike I
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: can eat anything, because I go so much and I burn.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And so for me it was definitely something that helped
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: me a lot. And for this reason I carry it everywhere.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Wherever I go I try to bring it. But here,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I finished.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Let's say that I was already in Dubai, where the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: league was not an important championship, I was sick, so
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I decided to quit. But the nice thing is that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: when my president went to talk to him and I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: told him this, he told me, look, don't worry, stay here,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you have two years of contract, I'll take care of you.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a contract as a sports director and so let's say
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that I didn't suffer so much the transition. But also,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: like Riccardo, you arrive at a moment where you don't
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: do it anymore, where your body, however, for years has
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: played at certain levels so high that, here, you arrive
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that you are shaken, you arrive that you are shaken.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Is this the fault of Italian football, brother? Because Italian
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: football was caught, you know?
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: When.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: People always said, you know, Cacá, it won't work in
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Italian football, Italian football is very crazy.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: And the guy, my God, I was.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Every time I get close to him, I say, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: need to see that goal against Manchester.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: He showed me a couple of times in there. Damn,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: it's very absurd, but I wanted.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: To know, both from Cacá, when he arrives in Italian.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Football, skinny, young, Italian football being all that we've seen.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: And also Cannavaro, when he went to play Italian football,
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: what did he have to do to stand out in
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: that sport that was going on in the court, very, very,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: very competitive, very high level, really good.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: When I went to Italy, I had the dream of
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: playing in a big European club, and this opportunity from
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Milan appeared at the time, and I decided to go.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: In my position, at the time, I played Riva, Rivaldo
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: and Rui Costa.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, only them.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Only them.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And, man, in my head, just to get there, just
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to be with these guys, I'm going to learn a lot.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: So I had a lot of this head to go,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: to learn, to get to know a new culture, to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: learn a different language. So in my head it was
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of that. And then I got there, Ancelotti
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: gave me the opportunities, I took advantage and in my
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: first year I finished as a starter.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: And Italian champion.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: So, this adaptation for me was cool because I was
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a little open-minded and the Italian championship is extremely tactical,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: it is very studied, very tactical, well organized. So, for
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: me it was very cool because I left Brazil with
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: our football with a lot of creativity, a lot of
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: improvisation for a football that was extremely studied, strategic, tactical.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: You have to be in this play here to win Juventus.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: You have to be like this to play against Inter.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And this competition that you're talking about, which was really cool,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to get to Italy and have Juventus, a great team,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: with Fabio, with Thuram, with Del Piero, Nedved, a great team, Trezeguet,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Roma with Totti, Cassano and the whole team.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: At that time, the Italian championship was wonderful.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Wonderful, Inter, Quadriano, with the Argentines, Veron.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Davids.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Ibrahimovic, who arrived later.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: I remember a quote from Antjelotti saying that we hired
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: a young university student.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: And how was your arrival with Antjelotti?
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: I know you have a lot to talk about him,
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: but he really is out of the curve, he really
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: is a father, let's say. Was it very easy because
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: it was with him that you were going to work?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: He has a lot of this ease of managing people. So,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Carlos has this great advantage of this ability. And then
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: we end up talking a lot about this issue, of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: his management of people, which ends up thinking.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: That he is not very good in the other parts.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: The tactical part.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Tactical, technical, strategic. And he is very good in that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: part too. It is possible that it is not.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: But this management of the athletes, of the locker room,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: of the president.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Man, he has to have a great ability.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Do you realize that he can be kind of personalized?
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: To talk to Kaká, he will talk in one way.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: To talk to Cannavaro, he will talk in one way.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: With Mítico, with one.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: With me, with the other. He's kind of like that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: That's exactly it. So, he knows how to understand these things.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: He knows when Berlusconi comes and says like this. No,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: this guy who has to play. No, president, calm down. Anyway,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: he knows how to do this belt game. He knows
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: how to have this ability. Really, this is a.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: It's a great advantage of him.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Did he help you with this introduction to the Italian championship?
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: A championship, going back to the previous question, very strong
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: and you.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: With a very fast football too?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: So, he helped a lot, but again, his ability that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think made the difference. Because when I arrived in Italy,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Milan played in a 4-4-2 scheme. So, two lines of
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: four and two strikers. And he started putting me open
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: on the right. In the second line, open on the right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And I played there. But I came from Brazilian football, man,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: from improvisation.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Circling around the field.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And he put me on the field and I went
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to the middle and broke all his scheme. And he
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: shouted the whole game for me to come back and recompose.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: And there came a time when he understood. He said, man.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: This is his football.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: This is his football. And he changed Milan's scheme.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Milan started playing 4, 3, which is Pirlo, Gattuso.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: And Seedorf.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Almost no one, right? And me, a little bit ahead.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: So, I formed a lozango in the middle of the field.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: And not a line of four. He formed this lozango.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And left me a little bit ahead, where I ended
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: up moving. This lozango that everyone used afterwards, right? It
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: was a formation that ended.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Up being used a lot afterwards.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: And you, Canavaro, to become a player in the most
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: competitive soccer of the time.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: And stronger, brutal, let's say. Gattuso, every shot he made, bro,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: went up to the minhoca.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: You know, in those days, playing as a defender in
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Italy wasn't easy. Because Riccardo made you a list of
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: players from the first six or seven teams. But the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: problem was also when you went to play with the others,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: because you still met players of a very high level.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: If you went to play at Reggio Calabria, you met, anyway,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: first it was Pirlo who played at Reggio Calabria, or
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you met Amoruso, players who played in the national team,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: or you went to play at Parma, which was considered, anyway,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and you found Adriano, you found Morfeo, talented players. So
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it was very complicated. Then I always say it, once
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to play in Italy, an attacker had to have one
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: opportunity and make two goals. Why? It was like that
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: because it was such a high level, not only of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: players but also of coaches who were used to it
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in a certain way and it was a very, very
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: complicated championship. But the nice thing is that everyone came
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to Italy, everyone understood how it was done and then
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: they went out and exported it. The problem is that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: in those years we didn't understand that we had to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: update ourselves, we didn't do it and now we're a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: little behind. But in the end, then we want the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: blows of luck, because I listened to Riccardo Di Carletto,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of the management of Di Carletto, that everyone still says,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: but Carlo is good at management. Then it almost seems
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: as if he was not good as a coach, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: then In critical moments, he found it in Milan with Riccardo,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: he is good at changing. I had Carlo at Parma
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and this is very strong because when I arrived the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: year before I was already playing central. But he comes
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to me and says, hello Fabio, this year I have
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the intention of having you play on the line because
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he was 4-4-2, he didn't want to change anything. Zola
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: went away from Parma because he couldn't find space and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he said to me, OK, so I'll put you third right.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I looked at him and said, look, coach, I'll try.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: If you can't do it, you can do it. The
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: fact is that we were in a bad situation in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the first eight games and we were playing against Milan.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: If we hadn't won against Milan, he would have gone home.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So Carlo's career would be over. But in that match
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: he did something, because he not only put me on
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the right, but also on the left. And the right-back
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: had Lillian Thuram. So we played Lillian Thuram, right-back, Senzini
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and Apolloni, who were two already experienced players, and I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: was on the left. Before that match, what did he do?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: He put Thuram in central and Cannavaro in central. The
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: fact is that we won that match. and the career
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of Carlo Ancelotti. This is his bravery. This is his bravery.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: It's not just Carlo's management, it's understanding the moments and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: getting the players in the best positions to express themselves
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to the maximum.
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: You see, there's almost no difference between crazy and genius,
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: because if he misses, the guy will say he was crazy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: For sure. Yes, but in his simplicity, In his simplicity,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: because in terms of relationships he's extraordinary. He's a very
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: good person. As a player, you can't get angry with Carlo.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: You can't send him to hell. Because he's too good.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Football is made of these things. But after that game,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you only stayed in that position.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Was it in that game that your position changed forever? Yes,
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: because in that year we came second and with Lille.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And Thuram we made an important pair. So I stayed
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: in the central. But initially, not being very tall, In Italy,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to Milan because Braida said, no, Cannavaro
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is small. Then later he told me, in the years,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in the years he came close to me and said, look,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I have to apologize to you because a few years ago,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: when I came to see you, you were a little
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: small and so you couldn't play in Milan. So I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: had to work twice. Who told you? Braida. Braida.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Braide was the club's sports director at the time. He
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: said that Fabio was small, that he wouldn't hire him
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: because he was.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: A short player.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: These stereotypes get me.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: But then he apologized.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: No, please, he was humble, right?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: But, look, football is made of episodes. It's a train
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that passes and you have to try to jump on it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, because the Italian Championship was very difficult
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: at the time. But when you finish and turn around,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: we can say that it went well. It went all right.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: You're crazy. By the way, I think you said something
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: in 1997 when you played at Parma. You said you
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: thought I was strong, that I.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Was fast, that I was the best. Then Ronaldo arrived.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Dude, like.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: How was it to face these legends?
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: You were a defender and you said, OK, I have
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: to stop Kaká, then I have to stop Ronaldo, who
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: arrived here.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: At that time, from where you looked, it was genius.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: It was three golden balls for each player. How was
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: your phase, having to run.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: A lot? You had to prepare well. You really had
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: to be very focused, because for me, being a defender
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: means being focused. The striker can make a mistake, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: midfielder can make a mistake from the point of view
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of concentration because the strikers are good because they make
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: a goal and they are happy. The defender, in addition
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to playing the game, must be focused. It is better
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to have a focused defender than a good defender but
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: not focused. At the time I had to be very
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: focused because every Sunday the three Golden Balls arrived. Then
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Ronny rocked the whole Serie A. Because as I said,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we thought we were fast and he was faster than you.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: We thought we were strong and he was stronger than you.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You thought you could anticipate it and he anticipated you
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: with thought. It was definitely difficult, but we're talking about
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a generation like Ricciardo, Batistuta, Ibrahimovic. In Italy, if I
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: tell you, the only Italian strikers were Montella, Del Vecchio, Inzaghi,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Bobo Vieri, Francesco Totti, Del Piero, Baggio and Turidi.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: And he only talked about the attack. If he goes
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: to the midfield, Pirlo... But how were you when you
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: were on the field?
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: What did you think of each other? I was like Ronaldo,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: don't worry.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: In my interviews, I always said this.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: The most difficult defender I faced was Fábio.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Why, man?
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: What was he like?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Was he very annoying?
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: It's very difficult to.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Normally, we never talk about individual, we always talk about
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: defensive system, because teams end up having this characteristic. But
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the individual player was him, mainly because of the speed
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and the ability he had to read the play. So
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: his intelligence to read and anticipate the play was very difficult.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: It must be horrible for a defender to do that,
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: because when you think about.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: It, you're already there.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But that's also cool about high-level competition, because I have
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: to keep thinking about something, to try to pass him,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and he has to think about something.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: And that makes you grow.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: It's very psychological.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You have to keep trying all the time, and it
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: makes you concentrate more, prepare more, feel better. So this
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: level of football in Italy at that time, really, I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: have no doubt that made.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Me grow a lot as a player, because of the
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: level of competition.
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: I have no doubt either, and I also think that
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: when we have good teammates by our side, I don't know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: a good duo, I think there are many.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I can't say just one, there are many. Again, I'm
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: very blessed because my teammates were amazing. That Milan doesn't
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: exist in Play 2, Mítico.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Milan, the team of Milan, the Brazilian team.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: My Real Madrid period too. They were great players.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: As excellent teammates, and at the level of competition against others,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: also excellent. So it was a very good time for me,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: growth and professional learning.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Did you have a specific teammate, Cannavaro, that made you
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: go even further? You said, wow, this guy gives me
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: a tranquility.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I really liked to observe. When I arrived
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: in the team, I really liked to observe the old people.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the most experienced players, not the old ones. I arrived
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: at the national team and there was Paolo Maldini, who
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was already the best defender in the world, an extraordinary player.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Seeing Paolo train every day was what made us grow.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Because when you look at an athlete who had already
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: won almost everything, who was already playing for the national team,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: training in that way, they are the people who make
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you grow. So I looked at the old people a lot.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: When I arrived in the first team in Naples, there
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: was Maradona, so I was attracted to Maradona. But then
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I saw Ciro Ferrara, who.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: He always says that when I was in the youth
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: sector in Naples I used to play raccattapalle, you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the guy who picked up the balls off the pitch.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: And he said, look, you've never done raccattapalle to Maradona,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: you've done it to me. He said, because Maradona never
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: threw the ball out. But it was, look, looking at
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: these people, the most experienced, helped me to grow. So
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I always tried to take something from the elderly to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: be able to improve myself. Every time, every day I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: always looked for something to grow.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: And they were solicitous with you to the point of saying, no,
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: come here Fabio, it's like this, come here, do this.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: So it's normal, Ciro came from Naples like me, so
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a difficult city. He gave me advice in the management, like...
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to try to train, but also outside. With Paolo, it
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: has always been something from afar, because Paolo is a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: very impactful and very serious person. When you see him,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you know... So, initially, there was no such relationship when
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: we went to the national team. So, it was just
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to watch him, it still allowed you to grow. Very,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: very cool. And you talk about.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: The Italian championship to be updated, and then I have
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: a question that maybe hits you, which is, since 2014
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Italy has not been able to be in the World Cup,
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: and the Italian team has always been very classic, we
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: always wait for the Italian team, we always wait for
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: the great teams in all the World Cups. Is there
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: any fundamental point that you two think, I imagine that
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: Kaká has a huge affection for Italy, that the team
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: can no longer reach the World Cup and a world
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: champion team?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you thank you because it's true that you know
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: if you think that Italy has 4 world championships and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: has made 6 finals the only two that we lost
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: we lost against you and you are the best in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the world you are a huge country and you won
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: against Italy but imagine if we had won one of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: us So it makes you understand a country that for
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: so many years.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: It makes you understand.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: A country so small that still lives on football and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: at a certain point has no more talents. One, in
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: my opinion, is because we are not hungry anymore. Just
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like in the country, we struggle to find Italians who
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: want to work in restaurants, we struggle to find Italians
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: who want to go to the bakery, we struggle. And
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: so automatically, not having any more hunger, and football historically,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: we know that players come from places where there is hunger,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: So that's something that doesn't make us do the quality
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: jump anymore. And then, just as a system, our companies
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: today no longer believe in the talent of Italian to
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: go and dig. Today, with the prosecutors around us, it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is easier to take, even at the fiscal level, it
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: is easier to take an outside player who is an
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Italian player, to make an Italian player grow. So all
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: but there are many others, because then you no longer
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: play on the street, young people want to play video games,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and all these things have made our nation go down, down, down.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And no one has realized this, Now we are at
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a high draw, hoping that our friend Rino can do
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the miracle for us. I am convinced that once Italy
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: unlocks and returns to the World Cup, then whoever will
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: play against Italy will know that it will always be difficult.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Because our DNA is always the same. We are a
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: national team. who has strong players, because we have Donnarumma,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: we have Tonali, we have Calafiore, there are players, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: now it's not like before. And also one thing, our championship,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: when we won the championship in 2006, Lippi could choose
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: between 70% Italians and 30% foreigners. Nowadays Gattuso can choose
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: on 30% because 70% are foreigners. So, let's say the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: situation is not easy, but we have to be confident. So,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: forza Rino! Hope! I imagine that the Italians, the football fans,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: will be crazy.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: For this moment because One day, Mítico and I made
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: a connection.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: In Rome, we took an Uber there and Uber saw
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: that we were Brazilian, he was a fan of Rome, right?
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: He started talking about Cafu, he almost cried, man. Talking
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: about Cafu, I was shocked, because I listen to you
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: guys talk, but I say, no, Adriano, if you get
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: to Italy, people cry, stop everything. And then I saw this,
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: without Cafu being there, we had never even talked to Cafu,
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: he just said, Brazilian? Cafu, and he started talking about Cafu, so...
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: The passion of Italians for football is very great. And I,
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: as a Brazilian, am crazy to watch Azurra again in
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: the World Cup.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Because I.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: The 2006 World Cup, Mitko, I watched all the games.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Because it was the first World Cup that I was
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: old enough to remember and watch.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Wow, and it was.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: And we thought we were going to be champions, okay?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: In 2006, a lot.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: He said, for sure we were going to be champions.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: I wasn't even worried. I wasn't even worried. But then
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: he saw all those guys playing, and even I wanted....
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: That you could talk about, especially Cannavaro, about this World Cup,
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: about that semifinal against Germany, and also some details about
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: the final against France, because you look at the two teams,
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: you say, my God, you looked at Portugal, Figo, anyway,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: I have the album of the World Cup, of that
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: World Cup, that I was like, my God, where are
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: these guys? There will never be guys like these.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: No, and that was your year too.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Exactly, what can you talk about this World Cup, Cannavaro?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: When you look at those teams, and you know you
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: won that World Cup, it has an extra value. Because
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: if you look at Brazil, if you look at Portugal, France,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: if you look at all the teams, they had 7, 8,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: 10 top players. It was really a generation of gold,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a crazy generation. At some point we were lucky enough
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to go to the other side of the table and
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: we met teams that were strong at the time, Australia
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and Ukraine. They were the Ukraine of Sheva, the Ukraine
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of extraordinary players. Then the semifinal happened in Dortmund You
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: played a lot.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: In the semi-final.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did. I saw only one other defender play
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a game like that in a World Cup. It was
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Barisi against Brazil in 1994. The game against Brazil was
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a perfect match. as a defender. And I think that
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: in 2006 my game was perfect. It was perfect because
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: from the first minute to the penalty kicks, because I
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: always say that I was the sixth penalty kicker.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: And then it's not true.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: In that final against France, that emblematic final, I think
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: one of the biggest finals of the World Cup, You
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: got to see... No, first when you see Zidane digging,
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: you get.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Pissed, what do you say?
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: He's crazy, son of a bitch, against me, but.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: He's crazy, in the buffoon.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: And then, if you saw Zidane's head on Materazzi, you
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: knew your teammate and said, no, Materazzi is going to
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: arm him to Zidane.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: No, I was there, and I remember this rumor of
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: this test. I was two meters away from them. I
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: heard this noise and I said, oh, what happened? Then
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I saw Marco on the ground. And, you know, then
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I saw Buffon. And he said, no, no, no, he
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: gave him a headshot, Fabio broke it, he destroyed it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: How is it a headshot? I mean, it's not normal.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: It's a live view.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, initially no one understood. And I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: think it was the first time that the VAR was
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: used in modern football. Because thanks to the images that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: they then saw, there was the expulsion of Zidane. You know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: we all know Zidane. He's an extraordinary person, a fantastic player.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And no one expected a gesture like that. And so,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Marco was on the ground. Then later, the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: first thing that... I asked Marco and he said, what did.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: You tell him? We all want to know!
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: What did you tell him? I said, no, Fabio, you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I pulled his shirt and he turned around and said, look,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: if you want the shirt, I'll give it to you
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: later in the laundry, because normally it was done, the
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: joke like that. And Marco says, no, look, I also
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: read in the newspaper that it came out, so you
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: can say it. Look, if you're in the locker room,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: your sister is better. And I'm certainly sorry because Zizou
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: didn't deserve to end his career like this. But maybe
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: in that final we were tired because we had given
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: too much against Germany. We lost the Euro 2000 final
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: against France, playing better than us, and they won the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Golden Goal. In that final, France started playing better than
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: us in the second half, but we won the penalty. So,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: in the end, the balance... Fabio Grosso. Fabio Grosso. And
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: think that every time.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I see Fabio Grosso's penalty, I say.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Let's hope he doesn't make a mistake.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: And Kaka, what happened in 2006?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Do you remember Brazil? Do you remember? I remember. A
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: lot of confidence? The team was very confident there. They
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: talk a lot about the 1982 team, but I think this.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: 2006 team will be one of the most talented. It
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: hurts to remember, because that team was so amazing.
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: It hurts to remember that we could have done better
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: than what was done.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: But if you win a World Cup like this.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Say you're the champion. We didn't lose to anyone. We
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: lost to France, Zidane, Maestro, Comandante.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: And we played just a little bit.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Just a little bit.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Henrique scored against us in a stop ball, in a detail.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: We competed.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: There's this feeling, because of the talent that the team had,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: that we could have gone further. And we could have prepared.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of things that have been discussed.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: It's everyone's fault. There's no one to blame. It's the organization,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: it's the player, it's the commission, everyone has their share.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: But there's this feeling of... It's because I.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Imagine for the player it must be very difficult. The
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: whole country is very confident. Everyone says, man, it's us,
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: 2006 is us. And when you lose, you say, man,
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: it must be a feeling of.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: It's frustrating, isn't it? The feeling is this, of frustration.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Because the World Cup is a detail, it's very fast
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: for such a long time. I have to wait four
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: years to see in what conditions I will be, if
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I will have the conditions to play a World Cup.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: And in what conditions my team will be. It's a
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: lot to be together for you to play a World Cup.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: And there was a lot of good things happening.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: A very good team, a very good coach, a very
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: good technical commission, everything walking so that if we could
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: have a good result, we were already champions in 2002,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: so the Brazilian team came with this aura, with this
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: credit to compete in another World Cup, and then we
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: end up falling in the quarters with France, in that way,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: there is this feeling of frustration, but anyway, it was
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: a spectacular World Cup, Italy deservedly champion.
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: In these last times, we only do well when the
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: preparation for the World Cup goes wrong.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's like.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: When everything goes right... I'm too superstitious, so... I'm watching,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: I'm balancing.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Say, like.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: This one we're gonna win. It's now. It's now.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: But after this cup, your life... changed a bit, too.
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: Because the world was watching you, right? I wanted to
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: know how it was after this cup. It was real, right?
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Ball of gold.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: What's that?
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: A goalkeeper, a ball of gold, it's not... It's not anything.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It changed, yes, because... I went to Serie B because
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: of the Juve problem and I went to Real Madrid.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: When I went to Real Madrid... I suffered a lot
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: in the first few months. I came from a completely
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: different football. I was organised, I was focused. before the games,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I was used to playing, we in Italy are used
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: to playing ball in space, in Spain we are used
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to playing ball on foot, so the first 3-4 months
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I struggled and in those 3-4 months I arrived in Madrid,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a house, I lived with my family
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: in a hotel, I lived in a hotel, I traveled
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: a lot because I had to go and get prizes
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: around the world. And at some point I arrived at Christmas,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: when I had already won everything, and I stopped at
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the Bernabeu, which is a stadium with a crazy history.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And I said to myself, what am I going to
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: do here? I was so empty, I was so empty.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I went to the coach and said, I'm tired, I
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: want to rest a bit. You know, you wait, you
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: go on vacation, you go somewhere with your kids. He says, ok,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: don't worry, we play on Wednesday, rest on the pitch.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: So your life was crazy at that time.
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: When we thought that everything would be fine now that
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: I was the world champion, the best in the world,
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: going to the biggest club in the world, I was lost.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Did this process take long?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: No, because from that period when he told me to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: rest on the field, it was as if something new
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: had come out of me. That year we won the championship,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: we were seven points behind Barcelona. It was the year
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: of the remontada. We won the championship at the same
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: time as Barcelona because in the two direct matches we
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: made a draw and a victory. And it was from
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: January to June something crazy. But you had to understand
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that Spanish football is a little more individual, that Spanish
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: football is a little more cheerful. There is less stress
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: than there is in Italy because Sergio Ramos was used
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: to playing music in the dressing rooms and there was
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: no music with his hair on. After the games... It
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: was a different culture. Yes, after the games Ronny wanted
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to eat what he wanted and before it wasn't... I mean,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: it was a different culture, so initially I was tired,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: but that year It was hard for everything that was
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: going on around. And when you win the Ballon d'Or,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: as a defender, I was 33 years old and I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: played for Real Madrid. And playing for Real Madrid was
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: not the same as playing for a team. So everyone
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: thought that I should play every game like the one
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: against Germany. Because if I did it a little under
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the tone, they would say, no, but.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: It's not the best in the world.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: But it's also true that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Power brings responsibility.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Ricardo won the Golden Ball that everyone criticizes. Everyone criticizes.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: But when you win it... When you win it, you
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: Kaka, could you also share a little bit of what
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: it is to be the best in the world?
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Where you know, damn, this year.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: If you look in the mirror, there's only you and
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: the Golden Ball.
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: You say, I chose myself, I'm the best player.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: In the world.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Among thousands, millions of.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Players, I'm the best.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: And also tell a little bit about the difficulty that.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: Real Madrid is. It shouldn't be easy.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Winning the Golden Ball really is a very, very cool feeling.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: It's absurd, right? You're the only one, man.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: You look in the mirror and say, I'm awesome, man.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: You know....
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Millions of kids, of people who dream of being a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: soccer player, and at that moment you are chosen the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: best in the world.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Your life in one year was a chaos too.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: It is. It is a chaos, it increases responsibility, increases charge. Interviews.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Interviews. Everything that happens from then on, everyone comes back
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that year and says, no, I want that one.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: That shit.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: If you've performed that way, I want that one there. So, anyway.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: But it's too much, it's very, very special.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: But every time I talk about the Ballon d'Or, I
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: talk about the collective, because.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: There are very few players.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Who managed to win an individual prize, standing out, because
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: he was very out of the curve individually. And one
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: of these is Ronaldo, who wins with Inter winning a
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: UEFA Cup.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: And then he wins.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: No, but the other one won the Champions League. Man,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: it doesn't matter.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. Ronaldo won the... What is today the
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: Europa League, right?
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. At that time it was the UEFA Cup. He
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: won this prize. Because he was very out of the curve, right?
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: Then he wins the World Cup, anyway.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And then it already enters this collective criteria again. So
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's very cool. Because you are the protagonist
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: of collective achievements. And then, man, a little of what
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: we always talked about here.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: That Milan team, right?
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: At the time. I was able to be the protagonist
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: of that team because they had an amazing coach.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: Did you know you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Were going to win a game before?
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: It's hard to know.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know where Tio Vitico is going to be.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: All of this helps, but after what happened in 2005.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I lowered the question of the result a little bit.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I knew I was going to win. In football, anything
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: can happen. We won 3-0 in the first half, in
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: the end of 2005, Liverpool tied and we lost in
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the penalties. It was impossible to happen. That was so
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't face your São Paulo.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: That's right. Otherwise, I would have played against São Paulo
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: in the World Cup final.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: But then it ended a little bit this question of
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: thinking that it was already a win.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: And then, being the best in the world with this....
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: With a team like this, it was really spectacular.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: It was amazing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Even today, at home, I look at it and admire it.
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: I remember the moments. Where do you stay?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: In the living room, in the bedroom?
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: I stay in the living room.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Where do you stay?
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: I put it in a room with a few things.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I go there and touch it. It's like the
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: World Cup.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: You go there, you watch it, you do it. But then,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: after that, football is nice because the next day you
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: have to start thinking about something else. And then, I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: appreciate them more now than when we were footballers. The
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: problem is that. That now you appreciate what you've done
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: as a footballer. When you're a footballer, it's not the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: time to enjoy victories. And this is a shame. Because
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: football is too fast now.
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask you, in your head as
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: an athlete, is it not a weight, a responsibility, because
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: you as a player represented too much, you were even
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: the best in the world, and now as a coach,
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: how does it feel in your head? Is it a
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: pressure or not? When you enter a locker room, you
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: enter with your story. So, when you enter a locker room.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: With your story, when the player starts talking, he thinks
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he has to win the World Cup. Then they see
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you as a top player again and you have to
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: make them understand that you are a simple coach. Maybe
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: you got lost from your past, but for the player, initially,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I have players who don't look at me for weeks
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: because they're afraid to come close to me. So I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: go close to them the first few days, give them
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: my hand, the next day I hug them, then I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: give them a kiss. Then I have to make them
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: understand that in the end we are normal people. But
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: our story certainly weighs on the beginning. It was like
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: that in China, when I trained in Italy, and now
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: in Uzbekistan. Because Pato came to China and was with us.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: And initially he and I became friends. What do you
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: think about today's.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Show?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Everything is known, everything the player does, everything is news.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: And both in 2006 and 2002, they were two very
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: closed teams.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: Do you think that reaching that level of concentration and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: closed group, nowadays, is not possible anymore?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's not possible anymore. I think it's not
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: possible anymore, and this question is wonderful. Because what we did,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: our level of focus and concentration, nowadays you can't do it.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Damn cell phone!
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: We were going from.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: The training center of Milan is outside the city of Milan.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: It's in Milanello. It's in a small.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Town, 40 minutes from Milan. This trip for us, man,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: it was wonderful. You were... Concentrated, thinking about the game.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Flying the plane.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: In silence.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: In silence. Some were talking, others were silent. nothing happened,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: just thinking about the game. Today, at this time, the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: guy is deciding the entrance, if his wife entered the stadium,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: if she didn't, if the guy arrived, saw the message
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, saw I don't know what on Instagram.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: If the photographer is well positioned to take a.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Picture, it's great, right?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Dude, there's a lot of things happening in the guy's
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: head and the game is one more thing that's there. So,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many people can do it today,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: you know? I'll turn off my phone for an hour
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and it's over. If I go to the stadium or not,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: my wife with the kids will fix it and I'll
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: think about the game.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's like that today, I.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Don't follow this routine of the athletes, but I think
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: it's very difficult.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: I've seen athletes saying that they entered after the first
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: half in the locker room, picked up the cell phone,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: read the comments, got upset and came back. I'll say, no,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: but you can't pick up the cell phone.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: He said, dude.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: I'm there like a fool, I'm going to get the ball.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: Brazilian national team, soccer club, it has to be like
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: Neymar's party.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Without cell phone. Without cell phone.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Without cell phone. Do you think so too, nowadays?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: No, it's impossible. I agree with Ricardo. Nowadays it's impossible. Unthinkable,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: because social media, nowadays, are much more important than many things.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Beyond the family, right, but you know, the family... A
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: coach can say, guys, give the number to your families
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: of the team manager, whatever happens, he is responsible. So,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you know, some problems you can... But the player who
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: arrives in the locker room, the first thing he does
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: is the phone. And you tell him, ok, perfect, don't
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: answer the messages, but then there are the notifications. They
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: have to have the last moment before going on the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: pitch because then they have to post it on Instagram.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: And the fact that you have to put your whole
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: life on social media is a problem. Nowadays it's unthinkable
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: to have our discipline.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: And how would you solve such a problem? Athletes nowadays say.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 7: Barra o meu celular, pelo amor de Deus. Deve ser
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: difícil controlar isso no dia de hoje. O jogador mesmo.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: Eu ia ser um técnico muito chato.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Uma hora antes, todo mundo coloca o celular ali no armário.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Eu ia ser tipo chato, mas também deu bom. Eu
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: sei o que agrada.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: Pode postar stories, fica à vontade.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Eu sei o que agrada.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Mas há solução para esse problema? Vocês acham?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: Pergunta para o treinador.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: Acho que tem que vir mais dos jogadores.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Não concorda, mister? Eu, ecó... Coming from a culture like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the Italian one, where we would go to the gym
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: for an hour, no one would call. Nowadays, as a coach,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you can't do anything. Today, the athlete is already used
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: to these things. So you have to make them understand
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: You have to tell him the things, because if you
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: don't tell him, you go to a superficial level. But
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you have to make him understand that the difference between
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: a great player who plays for 15 years... Riccardo, why
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: was he a great athlete, a great player? Because for
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: 15 years his career has been at a high level.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Nowadays they can't have this high performance because Their lives
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: are full of distractions. So you have to make them
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: understand that if you want to be a great player,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: but not for a year, for 15 years, you have
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to have a question of mind. You have to tell them.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Then maybe there is the smart guy who understands it
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and limits it. And there is the one who instead
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: continues to do. He will be a great player for
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: two years, three normal years, two years like this and that.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: and at 10 already stopped playing football because we think
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: that the career of the footballer is long but we
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: who have played we know that the career of the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: footballer is very short compared to then the time you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: have after and therefore in those 10 years there 15
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: years there you have to be a hammer you have
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: to be a top professional because then.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: After Then you have a lot of time left to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: do the rest.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: We have a lot of time left to do the rest.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: But it's true, we don't realize it, because we've stopped now.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I have the time to go on the snow, I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: have the time to come to Brazil by bike, I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: have the time to go to Australia tomorrow, I have
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the time to do everything.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: But it must be very difficult, it's very egoistic, also
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: nowadays with social media you can earn money in other
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: ways too, so how do you get to the player
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: and say, no, man, but my contract is almost the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: same as my salary here in football with this brand,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: and besides that I'm also handsome at events, I'm more
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: stylish in my pictures, so it must be complicated to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: hold the player so as not to make this money out,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: or not to be handsome.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: In the media.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: It's a management, from the club, from the coach, from
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the athlete himself.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: Today, the athletes, let's.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Talk about big clubs, the athlete is a small company
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: within a company. Because the guy has social networks, has
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: his business, has the lawyer, has the press advisor.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: Has a lot of factors.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: He is a small company, another big company, you can
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: imagine that there is an athlete who is.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: Bigger than the club.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: That's crazy, man.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: How do you manage this? I think it's a great skill,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: whether it's from the coach, the sports director, the presidents,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: the owners of the clubs, you have this ability to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: do this dynamic management because it has changed, the world
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: has changed, today we have the telephone, we have the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: social network, technology has helped a lot, brought a lot.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: Of good things, as well as not so good things,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: it's part of it, it's how it will.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: To deal with it.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: To deal with it and manage it.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Now, the fact that we are more out of focus,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: that's true. Less focused on what the result is, even
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: because that's what you're talking about.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: I don't need to.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Be so focused on the field anymore, if the performance
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: is the same in other areas.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: So, it's a big challenge.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: I have another question for you, another thing that they
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: say a lot out there, that today everything is a system,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: a tactical system, the tip has to mark the side,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: it has to follow, and it is said a lot
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: that there is no more freedom or space for the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: natural talents to emerge, the rare ones, you know, that
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: will pass the ball over the foot, do you believe
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: that this is true or not? Our football as a whole,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: not only Brazilian or Italian, is still full of craques.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I think this issue has changed a lot. Today I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: think this issue of data, of information, they limit you.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: They give you a lot of.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Information, but they limit the game a lot. It's all
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: about math, right? It's all about math. There are clubs...
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: In these courses I did, there are clubs that the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: guy hires by computer. He puts on the computer the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: characteristics of the player he wants.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: What is that? I didn't know that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: A prompt.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Then the app gives a list of players. This characteristic,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: this height, with the right foot, with this one. There's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: this list here, within the values you want, there are
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: these here. And the guy lives from that.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: A virtual pen.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: A virtual pen.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: And the guy buys and builds.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: His team based on that.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: So there's a lot of this question. The guys are.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Not seeing more Asphyto, the player's DVD.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Winnie the Pooh.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: The question of talent itself, right? Who sees and who
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't see. But I think it continues, it continues with talent.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I just think that in our time, and here it's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: not to be sadistic, but... you had a very large
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: number of talents. In our case, it's even very good
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: because today, in the situation that we are in as legends,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: there is only this legend because in our time it
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: was very good. So you take in Italy, it's the Carnival,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: it's the Totti, it's the Del Piero. So when I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: go to places with the legends, it's with these guys.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: You go with.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: France, you go with Zidane, you go with.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: In Spain, you go.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: With Casillas, you go with Xavi, you go with Iniesta,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: you go with... So, I think that at that time,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: there was this number of great names and great athletes
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: a little bigger than.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: What there is today. So, it's more at that point.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: But I love football, I love to watch it, and man,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I still enjoy watching football.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Me too, me too.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: I even judge a little that, obviously, I agree with
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: what you said, I think that, in the past, Naturally,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: there will be more stars and legends. But today, I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: think there are still players who make the difference.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: But we are very demanding.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: We wait to get to the highest point. And he
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: gets there for us to say, now?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Now, yes.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: Because my father talks to me directly, sometimes exchanging ideas
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: with people who have followed soccer a little before me.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: He tells me, oh, Rivaldo was cursed a lot. I say, no,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: it's not possible.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: He says, what? He was very cursed.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: Only after he won the World Cup did the crowd
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: calm down. But before that, there were a lot of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: good players and they weren't even there.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: What do you have to say about this talent? Does
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: football still give space for this natural talent or are
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: you killing it at the base?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to you as a coach now, because nowadays
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: the player finishes a game and the first thing he
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: asks How many kilometers.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: Have I run? And I say to him, what.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Are you, a horse? Excuse me. I, as a coach,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: go and see how many steps he has missed. I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: go to analyze these steps, why he missed them. Because
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: the position of the body was wrong, because... you thought before,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: you didn't scan the problem is that nowadays many coaches
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: prefer to have players technically not top but players physically
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: physically wow and it's the direction that football is going
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: in Europe in a few years we will try to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: to return the technique as the main thing, because if
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: we don't, we'll have a lot of problems on the pitch.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: That's a good one.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: The player's concern is how much I ran. It must
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: be tough for the coach.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: How many goals?
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: How many passes did you make?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: What did you do? One more question.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: You two were the last Ballon d'Or before the Cristiano
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: Ronaldo and Messi era. We talked a little bit about concentration.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: Do you think that Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi were these
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: two aliens in the current times that managed to say
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: no to social media and concentrate? Obviously they have a
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: talent above average, but to concentrate beyond the others too,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: because what Cristiano Ronaldo does with his career is absurd.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: He leaves the point and comes to the center forward,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: even more goalkeeper. And Messi, people think he's just a
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: pure talent, but obviously he's not, that's it. What do
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: you think about that? And before we stopped having other
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: golden balls, was it only Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: They stole Papai Cris several times, I won't say anything.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Well, in my case, it was very cool.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: You're the last Brazilian!
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: No, because I won in 2007.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: After 2007, they started playing for 10 years. Until Modric won.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Every year that one of them won, they remembered mine
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: from 2007. The last one who won was Kaká. 10
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: years remembering mine.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: That's very good.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: It was very cool, super deserved what they did.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But I think it's a little bit of what we're
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: talking about here.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: This number of talents that competed more.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Bola de Ouro was a competition with 10 big names.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: And it's not without merit, because they deserved what they did.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: They are in the history of football forever. But with
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: whom did they end up competing over these 10 years? Zidane, Totti,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Del Piero, Cannavarro, Iniesta, Xavi, Neymar, Ney, who are the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: names that were in this competition. And then I think
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: one has to thank the other too.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: One raised the other.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: For sure, man.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Seeing this competition between the two, I want to win
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: from Messi or I want to win from Cristiano. And
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: then it made them have this competition, this competitiveness again.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: I really like competition when it encourages you to improve
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: and grow.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: And I think that one has to thank the other
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: a lot, because they came where they came, because one
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: was pushing the other in that direction. But it's too much.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: So for us, who won the Ball of Gold, with
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: these guys winning too, it.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: Really values more and more.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: So every year that one of them won, mine won
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: a Ball of Gold.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: They won one more. With an even greater value. It's expensive,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: this Ball of Gold.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: Do you think we'll see another goalkeeper, Ball of Gold, Canavara?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Well, if there's Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, no.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: You know, I analyze.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Surely I did a great World Cup, then I won
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: it as captain, together with my team, we were perfect.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: So my victory comes from, then one starts to think,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: without Zidane's test, Would they have given it to me
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: or Zidane? Zidane.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: Even if he was losing, could it be?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: It was Zidane. Between a defender and an attacker, it's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: a prize that always goes to an attacker. Historically, I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: went to take the golden ball. I think it's the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: first time they've shown slip, head shots, saves on the line.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: which has certainly given value to a category of defenders
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: who also play football. But you realize that you win
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: the Ballon d'Or, especially the strikers. It will be very
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: difficult because I think that if Paolo Maldini as a defender, Baresi,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: but also Sergio Ramos, who for me is an extraordinary player,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: We will hardly see another defender win a golden ball.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: I agree with you.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: I think our last question to finish, I want to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: know how it was to face each other, both Cannavaro
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: facing Kaká and Kaká facing Cannavaro. This legacy of the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: two of you, what was left for football, and also
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: to have a brand like Malbec, which is already 20
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: years old, positioning you, remembering this.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Legacy, you know?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: And bringing you to a very cool campaign and saying,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: you know, these guys are legends. Because I think it's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: also important for these guys to remember what has already
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: been done.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: You know? No, well, certainly the advertising has been legendary
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: for me. because having the opportunity to tell a story
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Riccardo and I have never talked that much, but there
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: was such a great respect on the pitch that it's amazing.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: He's a person who, anyway, humility... He used to talk
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: about the Ballon d'Or, rightly, he used to talk about
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: the group, but he won it because he was the strongest. But, here,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: telling him through this advertising, which is from the skin
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: of Okan, because, anyway, you have to congratulate everyone for
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: how they organized it, for the voice, for the images,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: when he... It's really... It's a fantastic advertising. So, for me,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: having the opportunity to be part of this sport... He's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: really handsome in the ad.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: He's a model, right?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: I think he shaved his hair when he played.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Just to scare people, because he's so cute.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: He has a very beautiful campaign. They brought us here
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: to Maracanã. What is this, guys? It's really cool.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: He's really handsome, you know? It's cool to say that.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: It's a friend. It's true. I said, no, he doesn't
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: have hair. He doesn't have what?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: You can say, Cacá.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: It was really cool. As I said, Fábio was the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: hardest opponent I've ever faced.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: And he always had a lot of respect, a lot
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: of admiration. And after he stopped playing, we ended up
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: living in this environment of legends, be it at FIFA,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: him as a coach, we are always in this.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: Environment around football.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: And then, when this campaign opportunity came up, when they
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: told me what it was, how it would be, They
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: said they were looking for a voice to narrate their
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: moment and to be a protagonist in the campaign. I thought,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: who could it be? When they said Fábio Carnaval, it
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: was perfect. For the elegance, for the Italian.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: It matches. It matches a lot.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: It was very cool. It was very cool to do
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: the campaign, very cool to do it with him.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: I'm really happy to be with Malbec now.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: You guys are wearing matching clothes.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: They look great.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Look at the number on the back.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: It's a lie, there's number 22.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: There's number 22? That's awesome.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: Kaka, show us. It's number 5.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Kaka, how did you do that?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: Even the stadium jersey. Against Juve it wasn't many times,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: but it happened.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Belong to Jesus. That's awesome.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 7: Adam Albeck would gather this thing here and make this happen.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Right, brother? Absurd, absurd.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: I even wanted to say to Kaká and leave it
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: here recorded. You guys don't know what this guy played
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: with the ball, right? For God's sake. Sometimes I see
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: you guys talking some crazy things. For you, good players,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: it's the player who is.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: Crazy, folkloric. When the guy is only on his own.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: Because Kaká is very humble.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: So, that's it. Kaká is very humble. It's very humble,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: people forget how much a person played with the ball.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: You have to put it in the bag. Yeah, you
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: have to curse the others.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: It seems that.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: You see that sometimes, don't you, Kaka?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: Kiss, kiss.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Did you shake to score the penalty in the Kings League?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: It gives you a little chill in your stomach. Nobody
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: wants to be a meme on the internet.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's true.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: Look at Michel, Michel Bastos. I like Michel a lot.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Wow, you like him a lot.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: I like Michel a lot. I like him. So I said, man,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: I can't miss.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: Speed, if I see you in any beneficial game, I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: won't catch you.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, bro.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: I won't catch you, bro.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: It's true, it's true, it's true. No, say it right,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: just before it's over. Speed took... No, no.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: People know, the internet knows. Speed, your days in Brazil
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: are numbered.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: Remember, we saw this and said, Speed, for the love.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: Of God, we're going to catch you.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: Jokes aside, my brothers, thank you very much. I hope
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 6: you really enjoyed it. For me, it was an honor.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: I still don't believe that these things happen. Kaka treats
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: me like a friend.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like... What is this?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be here with you. And congratulations.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Your success is deserved too.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: Thank you. for what you did, for what you conquered.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: It's very cool. I hope you.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Have a wonderful year, a year of World Cup.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: Let's go. I hope for Italy, but for Brazil to
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: be the champion.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, please.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: And for Bextão to make a beautiful World Cup.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Bextão is a big surprise. If Italy wins the World Cup,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Brazil is the champion.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: Wow!
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: I'll sign it now.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: I'll sign it now. Cannavaro is us, man. Cannavaro is us.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: I hope you liked it. If you liked it, leave
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: your like, subscribe to the channel. The social media of
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: Canavaro and Kaká will be in the description. Just check
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 6: and follow.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: And that's it.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you very much for
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: this moment. That's us, Boticário.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: We're together. We're together.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Kiss, dad. Sorry for breaking that one-back.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: No, take this one for him.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: This one is elegant.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Limited edition, okay?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: The young legend. Do your honors.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: Bye, guys. Dignity already.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: No, finish showing the field.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Here, look.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: Who's ever done a Maracanã podcast?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: No one!
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Who's ever done a Maracanã podcast?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: This is to keep it as a legacy!
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you!
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you!
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much!
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you!
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you! Thank you!