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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-28-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 1: Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Friday! Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show once again.
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  Speaker 2: We are happy to have you here. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: air our grievances at the end of the show. It's
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  Speaker 2: been weeks and weeks since we've had an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: do so together because, let's see, I had PFL shows
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  Speaker 2: on five out of six summer Fridays, and on the
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  Speaker 2: sixth of those, I had a kid in the hospital.
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  Speaker 3: So....
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  Speaker 2: We've been grinding, baby, but it's time to air our
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  Speaker 2: grievances at 1.30 today. Before we get there, Bill Riley
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  Speaker 2: is going to join us. The voice of the Utes
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  Speaker 2: haven't caught up with Bill for the same reasons in
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  Speaker 2: many weeks. Carlos Mauricio Ramirez, who is now with NFL International,
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  Speaker 2: still working MLS on Apple TV, is going to join
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  Speaker 2: us in the noon hour. The Daily Dump, as always,
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  Speaker 2: JT Wistersell is going to come in studio with us,
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  Speaker 2: host of the Locked on Utes podcast, publisher of Ute
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  Speaker 2: Authority on 24-7 sports, is going to hang out and
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  Speaker 2: we talk Utah football six days now from the start
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  Speaker 2: of the 2026 campaign. And, man, don't we all need...
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  Speaker 2: some fresh football to talk about FCS games in action tonight,
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  Speaker 2: week zero games in action this weekend, including tomorrow morning,
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  Speaker 2: TCU North Carolina in what I think is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a nice little intro for the big 12 conference
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  Speaker 2: to the national slate. I think North Carolina is in
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  Speaker 2: a state of disarray for the most part. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you've got GM under investigation and on suspension and Bill Belichick,
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  Speaker 2: who was kind of the hot topic of the day
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  Speaker 2: this time last year has, and this might actually be
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  Speaker 2: an advantage, I suppose, for North Carolina that he's not
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  Speaker 2: being talked about because of his girlfriend nearly as much,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just not a believer in anything that's going
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  Speaker 2: on there. There are certain coaches who are right for
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  Speaker 2: the pros, certain coaches who are right for college and
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  Speaker 2: don't have a profound crossover ability. Also Last time I checked,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think North Carolina has any Tom Brady's waiting
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  Speaker 2: in the wings. So we'll see what it looks like
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  Speaker 2: in Dublin, Ireland, of all places, Aviva Stadium hosting the
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  Speaker 2: first game of the season featuring a Big 12 team.
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  Speaker 2: Our guy James Peterson is out of the office today,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got... Is it safe to say a rookie
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  Speaker 2: behind the glass? Introduce yourself, young man, to the listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us the story. Why did you decide you wanted
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  Speaker 2: to subject yourself to this misery today?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty, it's probably pretty safe to say I'm,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a rookie, at least to this audience. I've been
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  Speaker 4: working with Ben Crittle over on our, our other station
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  Speaker 4: for the past year or so.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So I have some experience, but.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to Utah fans, I, I, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: usually on the air for them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so the BYU folks might be more familiar with
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  Speaker 2: young Andrew, but for us.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been on a few.
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  Speaker 4: I've been the producer for a few of the women's
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  Speaker 4: basketball games, a men's game here and there, but by
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  Speaker 4: and large, Utah fans haven't heard my voice.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show for the
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  Speaker 2: first time. If I am being mean to you, it's
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  Speaker 2: out of love. That's just the way I, that's my
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  Speaker 2: love language, ridicule, which is not on the normal, like
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  Speaker 2: it's usually quality time, gifts, physical touch, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: The one that they leave out that is important for
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  Speaker 2: me and the people in my circle is harsh ridicule.
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  Speaker 5: Trash talk. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A little trash talk.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Not a love language in the official love language book.
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  Speaker 5: But it should be.
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  Speaker 2: It should be.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: For the sarcastic idiots amongst us. All right. So welcome
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  Speaker 2: Andrew and 877-353-0700. I always want to hear from you
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  Speaker 2: out there listening. I can't wait till we have real
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  Speaker 2: football to talk about again, because the off season storylines
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  Speaker 2: are starting to get tiresome for me. And you'll be
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  Speaker 2: relieved to know that today I am not jumping on air.
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  Speaker 2: and bringing any sec, big 10, big 12 rules against
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  Speaker 2: pro players returning to the college ranks. We talked about
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  Speaker 2: that plenty this week, unless we get a significant change today,
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  Speaker 2: I'll leave that one in the dust. The salt Lake tribune,
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  Speaker 2: our guy, Jason Pataki out from the salt Lake tribune,
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  Speaker 2: who does a really good job. He, he, he, he
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  Speaker 2: came out with an article that's drawing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: reaction today. And it says this, the headline is exclusive
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  Speaker 2: Former Utah football players say they felt pressured to play
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  Speaker 2: through injuries. He was able to get six different players
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  Speaker 2: on record talking about how they felt as though they
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  Speaker 2: were pressured to play when they were less than 100%
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  Speaker 2: healthy and that maybe that pressure led to some negative
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  Speaker 2: outcomes for them. In other news breaking exclusive, Utah football
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  Speaker 2: players felt pressured to play through injuries. Also, sky is blue.
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  Speaker 2: Water is wet. There are seven days in a week.
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  Speaker 2: Gravity exists. I do not want to criticize Jason Batacchio
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  Speaker 2: because I think I understand what he was getting at here.
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  Speaker 2: But anyone who has been around high level athletics in
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  Speaker 2: any form can tell you that there is constant and
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  Speaker 2: serious pressure to perform when you are less than a
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent. I am not going to dispute the fact
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  Speaker 2: that there is a point of diminishing returns on having
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  Speaker 2: your best players play hurt. And that's in football. That's
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  Speaker 2: in basketball. That's in every individual sport that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: That's everywhere across the landscape of college athletics, pro athletics,
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  Speaker 2: high school athletics, little league athletics, if your coaches actually care.
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  Speaker 2: Playing hurt, playing less than 100% is a ubiquitous pressure
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  Speaker 2: and reality across the sporting landscape. Jason Batacchia knows this.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew behind the glass knows this. All of you out
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  Speaker 2: there listening, know this. I know this firsthand. This is not,
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  Speaker 2: this is not a story. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a story.
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  Speaker 2: What this is, and we are not going to do
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  Speaker 2: this Utah fans. All right. We're not going to do
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  Speaker 2: this here on my show on the home of the Utes.
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  Speaker 2: We can do the tongue in cheek thing. We can
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  Speaker 2: do the complaining about Kyle Whittingham thing. The he who
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  Speaker 2: shall not be named. I did that for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks. You can acknowledge the flaws of the previous
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  Speaker 2: regime and you can, you can even feel some relief
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  Speaker 2: that the perpetual off season sagas of, is he going
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  Speaker 2: to stay? Is he going to go? What is the coach?
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  Speaker 2: What is the coaching? succession plan look like? How many
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  Speaker 2: players are committed to play for Kyle Whittingham versus to
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  Speaker 2: play for the university of Utah? We could go through
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  Speaker 2: all that. You can have that. What we are not
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  Speaker 2: going to do, at least not on this show is
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  Speaker 2: we are not going to start revising history and saying, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you see, remember all the bad stuff that that guy did.
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  Speaker 2: Remember how he did everything wrong. There were plenty of
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  Speaker 2: things that Kyle Whittingham did not handle correctly. Injuries are
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  Speaker 2: on the very, very short list of things that could
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  Speaker 2: have been improved in the way that they were handled.
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  Speaker 2: This article is further Testament to that. I suppose most
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  Speaker 2: of what we're talking about with injuries being handled poorly
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  Speaker 2: centers on the cam rising debacle that spanned two seasons
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  Speaker 2: at the university of Utah. By all means, let's criticize that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look back on that with anything but fondness. What
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  Speaker 2: we are not going to do on the home of
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  Speaker 2: the youths on this show is we are not going
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  Speaker 2: to say, Oh yeah. And can you believe the way
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  Speaker 2: that they treated van Fillinger? I can't believe this. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I treated van Fillinger wrong on the air. Okay. Because
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  Speaker 2: he came in as this highly touted, all everything, local product.
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  Speaker 2: When you look at him, the eyeball test, nobody passes
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  Speaker 2: the eye test like van does. And then his production
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  Speaker 2: every year would be like hot start, fall off, hot start,
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  Speaker 2: fall off, inconsistent. Look at a little slow off the edge.
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  Speaker 2: Where's the bend. How did he become so stiff?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I treated him wrong on the air. I was more
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  Speaker 2: critical than most people needed to be because I was
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  Speaker 2: not fully aware of how severe his injury problems were.
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  Speaker 2: I have I have begged forgiveness for that from the
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  Speaker 2: Phil and your family from van himself. I have said, look,
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  Speaker 2: I was wrong to say, to be critical. And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I have flipped that criticism into admiration for a player
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  Speaker 2: who did, who suffered mostly in silence until this article,
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  Speaker 2: he suffered in silence basically and said, nothing about, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: that sucked, man. I was playing her every single week
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't want to in some situations, but I
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  Speaker 2: did what was best for my team. I admire that. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That is being a good teammate. That is being the
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  Speaker 2: guy you're supposed to be to fill out the expectation
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  Speaker 2: of your teammates, the guys in your position room, your
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  Speaker 2: position coach, your head coach. Unfortunately, the unfortunate reality of
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  Speaker 2: having an old-school, traditionalist, hard-nosed coach, which all of us,
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  Speaker 2: until about six months ago, eight months ago, we celebrated.
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  Speaker 2: That that was how Kyle Whittingham was, and that's how
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  Speaker 2: Utah football's culture and fabric had been established and rooted.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone was like, oh my gosh, isn't it so refreshing
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  Speaker 2: that you've got this guy who's not like a pop
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  Speaker 2: culture fiend, he's not a social media guy, he's not...
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  Speaker 2: Hollering at interns like his predecessor at Michigan. Aren't we
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  Speaker 2: lucky to have this old school traditionalist guy doesn't even
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  Speaker 2: watch TV, right? The quirks of that personality were appreciated
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  Speaker 2: for the most part up until it all came crashing
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  Speaker 2: to a, to an end. And that's fine.
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to love the guy anymore. You can
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  Speaker 2: now go back and you can pick through the things
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  Speaker 2: and cherry pick the things you didn't like. And you
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  Speaker 2: can only focus on those if you're a bitter Utah fan.
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  Speaker 2: But what I am not going to do on my
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  Speaker 2: show is that I'm not going to say, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: can you believe this? I had coached in college football,
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  Speaker 2: wanted his scholarship players, his highly recruited players, his well-compensated players.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted them To come back from injury three weeks early?
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  Speaker 2: He wanted them to be on the field competing? How
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  Speaker 2: dare he? Knock it off. We're not doing that. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: It's not the correct stance to have as a fan.
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  Speaker 2: And don't give me your, well, I'm just concerned about
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  Speaker 2: player safety. No, you're not. You're not. Don't pretend that
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  Speaker 2: you are. You're mad that he's gone. And now you
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  Speaker 2: want to go back and cherry pick the things that
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  Speaker 2: were unlikable about him or about his regime, or you
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  Speaker 2: want to favorably compare your new guy because you're not
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  Speaker 2: a hundred percent sure that the new guy's actually going
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  Speaker 2: to be better. So let's cling to the things that
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  Speaker 2: we think are better. And I'm happy that there's improvements here.
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  Speaker 2: At least as far as we could tell Morgan Scali,
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  Speaker 2: the players they've talked about They've talked about altering the
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  Speaker 2: practices and making sure that people's bodies and Devin damp
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  Speaker 2: here joined us on the show yesterday. We did another
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  Speaker 2: half hour with death. Dev is looser and happier now
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  Speaker 2: than he was this time a year ago. Is that
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  Speaker 2: because of Morgan Scali and he's in the way he
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  Speaker 2: compares favorably to Kyle Whittingham? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Is it just because the quarterback is now a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more firmly established? Is it because his body is healthier?
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  Speaker 2: Probably all of those things. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, what we're doing is we're saying, see, this
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  Speaker 2: is how Morgan Scali is better because he's taking care
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  Speaker 2: of the guy's health better.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you're right. I hope this article is right.
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  Speaker 2: I hope the players are right. I hope Morgan is right.
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  Speaker 2: But we don't actually know yet. All right?
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot be part of a fan base who becomes
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  Speaker 2: petulant and ungrateful for something, something that was great for
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  Speaker 2: 21 years or for, you know, 16 of those 21
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  Speaker 2: years was something you could be really, really proud of.
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  Speaker 2: And then because of how it ended and because you
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  Speaker 2: feel jilted or you feel like the kid that got
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  Speaker 2: left behind in the divorce is that you say, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And look at this.
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  Speaker 2: There were six guys in this article.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: And aside from Jalen Glover and van Fillinger, the guys
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  Speaker 2: that they talked to were mostly guys who are, dare
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  Speaker 2: I say it disappointing players. If you had talked to
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  Speaker 2: me about Kyle Whittingham three or four years after I
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  Speaker 2: transferred out of the Utah football program, Three or four
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  Speaker 2: years after I was basically cut in not so many
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  Speaker 2: words because I cut myself, but it was because I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to get on the field.
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  Speaker 5: I was not going to see anything that resembled action.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't good enough. They had determined that I had
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  Speaker 2: refused to accept that about myself. But if I'm being honest,
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  Speaker 2: I started to internalize that a little bit also. If
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  Speaker 2: you had asked me two or three or four years
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  Speaker 2: after I walked away from the program, hey, what's Kyle
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  Speaker 2: Whittingham like as a head coach? It would have looked
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  Speaker 2: a lot like this. It would have looked a lot like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe what a jerk he was. I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe how he just overlooked every good thing I did.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe that he didn't think I was better.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe that he gave this guy and this
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  Speaker 2: guy and this guy and this guy scholarships, even though
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  Speaker 2: I was better than them. And I'm 43 years old almost,
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  Speaker 2: and I still believe some of those things that I
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  Speaker 2: just gave you as examples, but I'm more mature. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, this maturity happened a decade plus ago
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  Speaker 2: for me in realizing that at that time, when I
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  Speaker 2: walked away from the program and when I had these
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  Speaker 2: bad feelings and when I was disgruntled like the players
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  Speaker 2: in this article, I was fresh off of disappointment of
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  Speaker 2: my own. And I wanted to point a finger and
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  Speaker 2: say that was because of somebody else. And look, Van
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  Speaker 2: Fillinger probably has a case. All right? Everything I know
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  Speaker 2: about Tevita Fotu is that he has no case at
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  Speaker 2: all to complain about what he was or was not
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  Speaker 2: in a Utah football uniform. And there are guys that
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  Speaker 2: played on the team with him that could correct me
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  Speaker 2: or tell me I'm wrong or whatever that know a
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  Speaker 2: hell of a lot more than I ever will about
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  Speaker 2: that individual situation. But that's not the person I want
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  Speaker 2: to hear from about the legacy of a coach. That
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  Speaker 2: is a hall of fame, talent, hall of fame, legacy,
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  Speaker 2: hall of fame, contributor to the university of Utah. And
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  Speaker 2: that whole like bridge is being burnt over and over
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  Speaker 2: and over again and crumbling. You're not going to get
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  Speaker 2: a statue until the man is dead. If you ever
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  Speaker 2: get one because of the fact that, you know, he's
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  Speaker 2: a spiteful, petty individual on the way out the door,
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  Speaker 2: the people that are left behind, including a huge portion
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  Speaker 2: of the fan base are feeling that spite and feeling
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  Speaker 2: that pettiness themselves. And the exit is unceremonious and ugly
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  Speaker 2: instead of being what I hoped it would be, what
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  Speaker 2: you hoped it would be. A ride off into the sunset.
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  Speaker 2: This is a beautiful thing. We are less than a
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  Speaker 2: week away from the season kicking off. Jason Batacchia, I
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  Speaker 2: love you, dog. This is not the time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm wondering here, because I come from obviously a different perspective.
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  Speaker 4: It seems to me like this is one of those–
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  Speaker 4: you could compare it to what was a long-term relationship
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  Speaker 4: that was really, really good for the most part, and
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  Speaker 4: then you broke up at the end, and you're going
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  Speaker 4: through the stages of grief and denial and anger. It
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  Speaker 4: seems like the fan base and the university, they're not
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  Speaker 4: to acceptance yet, and it seems like maybe there's a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of taking advantage of that and writing these
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  Speaker 4: articles and seeing if you can get a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of– You can benefit a little bit from that.
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  Speaker 5: That's a great point, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: What we're getting here is we're getting anger clicks.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: And this is also a thing we don't like about him.
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  Speaker 7: Not only did he leave us and he'd take coaches
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  Speaker 7: and players with him and he got paid $ 13 million
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  Speaker 7: from the university that he should have given back. And
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  Speaker 7: his brother, his brother that he took with him, we
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  Speaker 7: had to sue him to get money.
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  Speaker 2: Not only that, but look what he did to Van. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not telling you Kyle Whittingham is any kind of angel,
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  Speaker 2: or I'm not telling you that Kyle Whittingham is a
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  Speaker 2: perfect coach by any stretch of the imagination, but he's
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  Speaker 2: better than any other option you had the last 21 years.
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  Speaker 2: Beyond the shadow of a doubt, that is factual. Perhaps
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  Speaker 2: if you got lucky and the timing worked out, you
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  Speaker 2: could have had Kalani Satake at the University of Utah instead. Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 4: Is Utah in the position they are now? I've had
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  Speaker 4: a front row seat to Kalani Satake and his growth,
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  Speaker 4: and he is exactly what BYU needs right now, and
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  Speaker 4: he's a very good coach, and he would do very
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  Speaker 4: well at the University of Utah. I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: he would have done as well as Kyle Whittingham did
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  Speaker 4: at the time Kyle Whittingham was here.
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  Speaker 2: None of us will ever know that. I think Kalani
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  Speaker 2: is a wonderful coach. I think he's a great person.
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  Speaker 2: I'm jealous that BYU has a coach like that, except
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  Speaker 2: we have a coach like that at the university of
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  Speaker 2: Utah also. So jealous is the wrong word for it.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm jealous of is the fact that Kalani Satake,
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  Speaker 2: who is a great coach and a great person now
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: has resources that magically coincide with him having what 23
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: wins in the last two seasons. The fact that Those
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: two things are happening concurrently in NIL era an enthusiastic
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and wealthy booster base helping Kalani, right? I mean, you
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: could revise history and you can revise the present however
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: you want, all right? To make yourself feel better, but
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this is not the way, ladies and gentlemen. Go to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: every program in every state and in every city in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the country and there is a head coach who is
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: pressuring players to get their butts back on the field
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: as soon as they can. Are there rare occasions on
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: which the communication between a medical staff and a coaching
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: staff breaks down or is inadequate in the first place
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: and that player feels victimized by it? Yes, sure there is.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It does not mean what you think it means. It
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: does not mean what these comments. I'm not even the article.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I want to be fair to Jason Battaglia with these
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: comments and these reactions are saying just like, oh yeah, see,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: this guy was bullying players and threatening players into getting
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: back on the field.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I hope he was. That's the job of a coach.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Do you know how many guys in that room, in
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: that meeting room and on that roster, do you know
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: how many of those guys would die to get on
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the field as much as they wanted van Fillinger on
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the field? How many guys would just be like, please, please,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: please let van stay hurt. And let me go take
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: his reps. You know, how many guys want to be
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: in that position? And when you are the guy in
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that position and your ankle hurts, your leg doesn't work.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The grass is greener on the other side. The grass
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: is greener on the walk on side who doesn't have
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to do Jack. If you're Van Fillinger, he's probably the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: only guy built like him with a scholarship like him
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and NIL like him that ever looked at a walk-on
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: who got to sit around on game day and sit
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: around for most of practice and say, man, I'm jealous
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of that guy because he's in pain. He's hurting. He's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: forcing his way through. And you know what, Van, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: am now after being critical of you for years, I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: am grateful that you gave it your best and that
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you tried real hard. I don't love the fact that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That part of the story now is you having to,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you feeling like you have to go out there and say,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, by the way, this coaching staff bullied me
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: into getting back on the field.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: And what the article's not telling you is that I
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: would bet, I would bet a decent amount of money
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: that every single one of these players wanted to go
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: out and play.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: What you're frustrated with is the injury itself. That's the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: first thing that you're mad about when you're a player.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And then you're mad that your body doesn't work the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: way that it's supposed to. And then you're mad that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: the recovery doesn't go as smoothly as you thought. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: then you're mad at the people that you think are
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the reason for the recovery, not going all that smoothly.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And that is where this thing with the coaches comes
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: in because you're like, well, wait, if I would have
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: been given my full six weeks, or if I would
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: have been allowed to red shirt as van disputes that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: he was not allowed to red shirt. The way that
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we were told was like, hey, man, he probably should
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: have redshirted last year, but he wanted to play. There
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: are no heroes and no villains in this college football game.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Not in an absolute sense, all right? I wish it
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: were as black and white as that. I wish it
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: were as binary as that. But you cannot separate one
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thing from the other. You cannot separate Utah's physical, hard-nosed,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: We're going to beat you up. We're going to run
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the ball down your throat. We're going to stop you
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: from running the ball. Death taxes in Utah football. If
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: you were celebrating any of that, which all of us were,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: when Joel Klatt was saying it and Kirk Herbstreet was
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: saying it and Kyle Whittingham has one of the toughest
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: teams in the whole nation, when you were clapping about
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that and you were patting yourself on the back for
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: being a fan of that, you have to accept that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: this was part of it. that there were guys in
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that locker room who were expected to be tougher than
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: they wanted to be maybe on rare occasion to their
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: own physical detriment at the expense of their own health.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. I like all of you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: get a little uncomfortable when I see these 50 and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: 60 year old football players walking like they're 80 and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: 90 years old. So who, man, they really, they really
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: sacrificed a lot for our entertainment, didn't they? But I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: stopped short of chastising the system and saying, how dare
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham pressure that guy into playing. Oh, but also
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: by the way, have you seen Ben Fillinger since he
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: stopped playing football at the university of Utah? I don't
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: know if he could run fast. I don't know if
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: his ankles better, but the guy's doing okay. Physically also,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: he voluntarily decided he wanted to be part of a
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: bull riding challenge. So You can't, and I'm using van
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: as the example here because he's the headliner, but like
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you can't talk about how your body is broken down
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and destroyed from your football career. And not because of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: my own choices, but because the coaching staff bullied me
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: into this and then sign up to ride a bull
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: for fun. You can't do those two things. That's like
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the workers comp claim that the investigator comes and finds
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: you putting shingles on your own roof. but you're like,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I have to, I'm bedridden. I can't like
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: those two things can't be true. You're not going to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: get me to revise history and say, oh yeah, listen,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: look at this guy. And I know a lot of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you are probably mad that it sounds like I'm defending
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: everything that Kyle Whittingham does or Kyle Whittingham did.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: That's not what I'm doing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: But Acting like this is outside.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Of the norm in college football, that players felt pressure
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: to get back on the field because of some unique
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: evil emperor named wit. And nobody else does that. That
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Kalani is not doing that. That Morgan won't be doing that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: That Sonny Dykes isn't yelling at guys. Get your pansy
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: behind out of the training room and onto the field.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Even Lincoln Riley's soft ass is telling USC players, Hey,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: put some tape on it, rub a little dirt on it,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and let's get back on the field. This is football
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: culture that is being described in the article. And if
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you don't like it, that's fine. If you want to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: shake a finger at it and poo poo it and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: not buy a ticket because of it, that's also fine.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But if you're going to act like this is unique
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to the university of Utah under Kyle Whittingham's leadership, you
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: are completely delusional up in the night outside of your mind.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: And that's, I didn't even yet address the fact that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: when coaches are asked for comment about this, what do
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: they do? They deflect. They say, well, hold on a minute.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: We don't make decisions on whether players are available or not.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: That's on the medical professionals. That's on the training staff.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That's on the team doctors.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. You know who else feels pressures from coach to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: let players back on the field, medical staff, team doctors. Again,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: this is part of the whole deal in football. And
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: if we were talking about players from the 1990s and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Ron McBride used to do this to us, I'd be
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: saying the same thing, but I'd also be going, you
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: know what? And these guys were doing it for free.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: These guys were doing it for nothing. A lot of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the guys mentioned in this article are Well, all of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: them were on scholarship, free education, better housing and meal
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: plan than any other college student up there, and plenty
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of them had extra money on top of that from
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: an NIL front. If you don't want to be part
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of a football culture, if you don't want to be
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: part of an athlete warrior culture, you can join... the 65,000
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: people in the stands at Lavelle Edwards stadium. You could
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: join the 50,000 people in the stands at rice Eccles stadium.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You could join the 75,000 people in the stands at
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: your favorite NFL stadium. You could join the a hundred
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: thousand fans in the stadium at the big house. If
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you're willing and able to take it upon yourself to compete,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: part of what you're accepting is that you're going to
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: do so when you're in pain. I was never a
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: good enough college football player to compete on the field.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: When I was less than a hundred percent, my a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: hundred percent was barely good enough to get on special
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: teams in division one football. So if I was less
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: than a hundred percent, they're just like, Oh no, just
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: put somebody else in. Right. When I moved on to
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a professional fighting career, do you know how many fights
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: I had where I felt good? How many fights I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: had where I was a hundred percent, how many fights
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: where going into the second round, uh, My coach is
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: just like, you better get your ass up and move
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: your head and block the next punch instead of chewing
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: on it and spitting it out. That's part of being
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: an athlete. That's part of being a competitor. That's why
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: you get the scholarship and why you are paid the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: big bucks. If you want to complain about it after
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the fact, do it somewhere else to someone else. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: let's not platform this in this way. Yes, it's convenient. Yes,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you're going to get your clicks. Yes, you're going to
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: get your reads. Jason Bataki out my dog. You're really,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: really good at the job. This article, this subject is
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: The way that this is framed as just a great
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: opportunity to pile on the hatred that Kyle Whittingham is
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: feeling from the state of Utah, from this Utah football community,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this is not the right thing six days before the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: season kicks off. And I just gave it 30 minutes,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: which probably is also not the right thing on the
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show. We'll take a break. We'll come back
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: with the voice of the Utes, Bill Riley. I will
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: probably ask him a question about this, but I won't
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: make it too big of a thing. CSPN 700, 92.1 FM.
• 30:30
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• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the show. How are you, sir?
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Hi, Sean.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: I'm good.
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: Doing a little, maybe do a little scouting of those
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: Idaho Vandals a little bit later on this evening as
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: they play the Mustangs of Cal Poly down in Southern California.
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: But yeah, I'm ready to go.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You got to see more of camp than all of
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: us regular blokes in the media did. And, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of questions heading into this one.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: What's the offensive line going to look like? Primarily the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the pressing one for the offense on defense. You had
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: to figure out what the pass rush is going to be,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: what the defensive interior is going to look like. There's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: questions at safety. I think that's a good answer one
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: way or the other because you've got four guys who
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: can really play the position. Seeing what you saw and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: talking to who you talk to, how do you grade
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the preseason, if that's a thing, for Utah football?
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: I don't know if I could put a grade on
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: it because it was practice.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: You don't know.
• 31:35
  Speaker 9: Until you get in game situations. But the concerns about
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: the offensive line, I get it. I've said this about
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: a million times since the season ended and everybody pointing
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: at those. I didn't see it a lot in the spring,
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: talking to coaches, watching fall camp. I think they're going
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: to be good. I think they're going to be good.
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: They're going to be fine. There was talent in the
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: program already. There's more talent that was brought in through
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: recruiting in the offseason. Good coaching in Jordan Gross. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: think the offensive line for Utah is going to be good.
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: Is it going to be generational like it was last year?
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: Are they going to be second in the nation in
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: rushing the football? I don't know about that. but I
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: don't think that there's going to be a market drop-off
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: up front this year. I think it's going to be
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: a good offensive line. Defensive line, there's a lot of
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: guys there. It's one of those things, though, that you're
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: not hitting quarterbacks. You're not doing as much of that
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: stuff physically as you would in a game situation. So
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: that's probably where I'm going to watch a lot on
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: Thursday night when Idaho comes to town, just the rotations
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: and who stands out on that defensive line because they've
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: got a lot of bodies there. but they don't have
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: a lot of bodies that have done it for Utah
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: at a high level. Cash Dillon was a reserve last
• 32:55
  Speaker 9: year that had some moments. Lance holds claw had to
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: play behind John Henry Daly, who was an all American
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: last year. Paul Fitzgerald was hurt last year. So I,
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: Ethan Day was in North Texas last year. They brought
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: in three, four new defensive tackles through the portal. But
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: you've got a couple of young players who showed some
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: nice flashes in Cepalona and Kapusi last year. So for me,
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: I don't have much concern about that offensive line. I
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: don't have a lot of concern about the defensive line.
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: I just want to see how that plays because it's
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: a lot easier to rotate on the defensive line and
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: guys can earn more snaps. You're going to go with
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: your five guys on the offensive line and those are
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: your five guys. Of the two spots, I'm more anxious
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: to see what the defensive line does than the offensive line.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So right or wrong, whatever happens this year is going
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: to be looked at through the comparative lens, but you know,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: what Morgan does in his first year versus what we've
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: had in the last 21 years and for better or worse,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you know, we're, we're going to hold up, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the injury report and all these things to like, is
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: this better or worse than it was before with camp
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: in the rear view now and a week or so
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: of game prep going, Those two guys are more similar
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: than they are different as coaches, as people, but there
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: are differences. Were those things noticeable to you out at
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: camp when you were able to watch practice, you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: based on conversation with players and assistant coaches? What are
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: the major differences through the eyes of the voice of
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the youths?
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: I just, there's a different energy that Morgan brings and
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: just the approach that they have. He wanders the field
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: a little bit more, I think, than Kyle did. Kyle
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: moved around a little bit. You know, Morgan would be
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: here one minute, then he'd look over there, he's gone,
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: he's at a different point of the field. I really do,
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: and maybe because I was up there just a lot
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: more this year, the sports science side of things is
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: something that Scali and this staff have are really, really
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: leaning heavily into. That sports science staff, they've beefed up
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: that staff. It's been really interesting to watch and track
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: and see how they're leaning in, not just analytically, which
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: they're doing a lot of that with the new general manager,
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: Joe D'Orazio and his staff, but on the sports science
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: and strength and conditioning side of things, that's been a
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: little bit different this year too. And I think I
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: think that and that approach and the way they approach
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: fall camp could really pay dividends as this season goes along.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: O'Reilly is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: talking all things Utes. As I want to do, I've
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: been throwing out some over-unders regarding my predictions for this
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: upcoming season, the statistical predictions. And one of the ones
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that intrigues me the most that we had a good,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: robust conversation about with some of the listeners is whether
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: or not there's a double-digit sack man on the roster
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: this year. Is there a John Henry Daly who, this
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: time a year ago, most of us were not expecting
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: John Henry Daly to be an All-American?
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: He had one sack in 2024, Sean. He had one
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: sack and played limited snaps. Nobody in their right mind
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: would have predicted what John Henry Daly did before the
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: season last year.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Which informs this question even more, right? Because Lance Holtzclaw
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: is a sack and a half, right? And a lot
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: of people think that he is the next big thing.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And you already made a great point about Cash Dillon.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: When he had reps, he made... good use of those
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: reps in live action. Ethan day is a game wrecker
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: at the North Texas level. Will he be at the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: big 12 level and a healthy Paul Fitzgerald has already
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: showed us. He can have eight sacks for Utah state.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: So maybe a little extra weight room, a little extra coaching,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and that eight becomes 10. Is there a double digit
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: sack man on this year's roster?
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: I think there's a chance to be all four of
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: those guys you mentioned. If I was betting if I
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: was a betting man, which of course I'm not, this
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: is for entertainment purposes only. I would bet we have
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: four of those guys that have between five and eight
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: sacks each. I would bet we have that, you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: maybe Holtzclaw grabs nine, maybe Fitzgerald grabs five, maybe day
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: grabs seven, maybe cash. Dylan has seven or eight, which
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: by the way, I, if I'm, Inoki Brechterfield, I might
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: rather have that because that's producing me close to 40
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: sacks versus one guy that might get 11 and a
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: half and one guy that might get three. So I
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: think there's a possibility. I certainly think somebody could, but
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: I would bet you probably have four guys that have
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: between five and 10 sacks between them each more than
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: one guy that's double digits.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Another stat that when I took a look at it again,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: it started to rehaunt me over last year because like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: this was an 11 and two football team last year
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: of really excellent year. But there were a couple of
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: games where even in wins, a lot of us felt
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: sick in the pit of our stomach with how bad
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the run defense was. Utah finished 110th overall in the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: country in run defense when it was all said and
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: done last year. So I lopped 60 yards a game
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: off of what they gave up last year. And I said,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: can this team stay under 125 and a half in
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: yards surrendered on the ground to their opposition? There were
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: only four games last year where they managed to keep
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: the team, the opposition under one 25 and a half.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: If you're in that range, you're kind of top 30
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: in the country. I think that's where you need to
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: be to stay competitive. Unless you have a crazy offense
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: like they did last year. The larger question is of course,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: about improving the run defense, but can they improve 50
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: or 60 yards over what they did last year in
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: your mind?
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: Well, I think that goes to those guys we were
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: talking about a minute ago, those tackles. They brought a
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: lot of guys in like Moe and Samsula and Wallace
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: to be space eaters up front, to eat up those blocks,
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: to allow the linebackers like Reynolds and Hall and Palu
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: to kind of do the work behind them. So, yeah,
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: I think they can't. And to be fair, I mean,
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: They they didn't really get beat last year by teams
• 39:20
  Speaker 9: that ran the ball down their throat. I mean, I
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: know they gave up those yards in the K state
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: game and it could have lost that, but they didn't
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: lose the K state. They gave up some big, the
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: two games they lost, they were kind of beaten by
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: quarterbacks in their legs. Bear Bachmeier made big plays with
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: his legs in the BYU game. LJ Martin wasn't the
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: guy that beat Utah in that game. Utah beat itself and, and, and,
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: and Bachmeier made some nice runs. And to be fair,
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: as good as a running game as Texas Tech had
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: last year, the tiny back, I think it's Williams, Jacoby Williams,
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: he had one long run, but Utah got beat by
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: Will Hammond. It was Will Hammond scrambling with the football
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: when he came in for the starting quarterback last year
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: that was what beat Utah. So I think Utah and
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: the K-State game really skewed it badly, but I thought
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: they were pretty good against the run most of the year, Sean.
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: except quarterback scramble. So you've got to be able to
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: account for quarterbacks that can run. Houston's Connor Wegman can
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: run the football. BYU's Bear Bachmeier can run the football.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: We'll see what some of these other quarterbacks have. Arkansas
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: is probably going to have a quarterback that can run
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: the football a little bit. So I think for me,
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: it's when you get those, when you're playing those mobile QBs,
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: can you keep them from hurting you with their legs?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: ESPN put out their list of the top 100 players
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: in college football. No Utes in the preseason were named.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Last year, obviously, you had Spencer Fano all over these
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: types of lists. And I think it's okay to look
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: at the roster now and to not put anyone in
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: the top 100 of all great college football players. But
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: if there is somebody who appears on that postseason list,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: who would that be?
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: I think Devin Dampier is the easy answer to that
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: because if Devin takes another step, I mean, he was
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: newcomer of the year, the big 12 last year. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: as we have found out subsequently, he was playing through,
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: he was playing hurt much of the season last year.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: So to have the kind of production he had, And
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: in the condition he was physically shows one, his toughness,
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: but two, what kind of a gamer he is. So I,
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: I think the easy answer to that is Devin Dampier.
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: I will throw another guy out there. I think Jackson
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: Benny has a chance to be that guy. I think
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: he flashed some of that last year. He's got great
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: ball instincts. And I think Benny could be a playmaking
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: type of guy too. I think way Sean Parker will
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: have a big year, but there's so many good running backs.
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: There's just so many good runs, not just in the
• 41:58
  Speaker 9: Big 12, but in the country, that it's hard, unless
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: you're having a huge, huge year. And maybe if you
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: play in big games, maybe if he pops against a
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: Houston or a BYU or an Arizona in some of
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: those games, you certainly get on that list. But I
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: would say Dampier is probably the easy answer with how
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: dynamic he can be and the weapons at his disposal
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: this year. But I think Jackson Benny might be a
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: sneaky guy on that list, too.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Bill Riley for another couple of minutes here on the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show, talking all things Utah football. As you
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: get ready for Idaho, I mean, look, respect to the Vandals,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: but these games are what they are. It's supposed to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: be a tune-up for Utah. It's supposed to be an
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: opportunity for you to get your actual game speed and
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: your playing legs under you. What is going to look
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: like a successful outing, in your opinion?
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: Well, one, you're healthy. You come out of that game healthy.
• 42:50
  Speaker 9: And there aren't any major sort of issues or injuries there.
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: But two, I think I said this with Spence, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: I think I've said it on my podcast. Are your
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: lines of scrimmage, where people have some questions about you
• 43:04
  Speaker 9: right now, offensive and defensive lines, can you control those
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: lines of scrimmage? You're playing a 1AA program that's middle
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: of the pack in their conference. That's a good conference.
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: Big Sky's a good conference. But there's not a lot
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: of expectation for Idaho Vandal football this year. So at
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: your house, with a lot of talent coming back, can
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: you go and do what you need to do, and
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: that's own the lines of scrimmage against a team like Idaho?
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: Because to me, if you're able to do that, you're
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: doing what you're supposed to do as Utah football. You'll
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: get a much better test that second week against Arkansas,
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: and Again, not highly touted this year in the SEC,
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: but they're going to bring in SEC caliber athletes. But
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: how do you look in the trenches and do you
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: control the lines of scrimmage? And if you do that,
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: final score, whether it's 28-7 or 63-0, whatever, that doesn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: mean as much to me. But can you control the
• 44:06
  Speaker 9: lines of scrimmage? Can you protect the football? And can
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: you get out of there healthy? That's what it is
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: to me. What about you?
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I think you hit all the main points here. I'm
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: also curious about whoever the starting five on the offensive
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: line are against Idaho, do we see them for the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: whole game or will the experimentation continue on that line
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage, on the offensive line of scrimmage especially? Because
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: rotation on the defensive line of scrimmage is a natural thing.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Most of the time you want your same five until
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: mop-up time when it comes to the starting O-line. But
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I'm getting conflicting reports on just how settled those battles are.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: And I want to know if Jordan gross and company
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: are going to be like, all right, first quarter, it's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you guys. Second quarter, it's you guys. Cause you can
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: kind of afford to do that against Idaho. Not so
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: much against Arkansas or probably even Utah state.
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: No, I don't think you're going to experiment. I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 9: you're going to pick your five and then you're going
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: to say you're playing two quarters or you're playing two
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: and a half quarters together, because I think you want
• 45:06
  Speaker 9: those guys in sync. And once you're done with whatever
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: their snap count is or however long that might happen
• 45:13
  Speaker 9: to be two and a half, three quarters, then you're
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: getting them out of there and you're getting some of
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: those other guys some experience because you and I both
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: know the odds are of all five offensive linemen playing
• 45:24
  Speaker 9: every snap of every game together for 12 games, maybe 13,
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: maybe 14 or more is pretty rare. So you probably
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: want to get some of those other guys behind those
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: starters some game experience. But I would be surprised, and again,
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: I've not talked to Jordan about what the rotations are
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: going to look like, but I would be surprised if
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: they're intermixing starters and reserves. I would think once you
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: pick your five guys, you want to just get them
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: as many reps together as you possibly can.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: How will you handle the week zero slate? Because, you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: you're all in on football for the next 12 plus.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: So do you use this one as you get to
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: go fishing one last time or how do you treat
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: week zero?
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: No, I'm going to watch some football, maybe a little
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: Idaho Cal Poly tonight to do a little advanced scout,
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: a little San Jose State, USC, perhaps tomorrow on NBC.
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: Maybe catch a little, was it UNLV Hawaii tomorrow night? No,
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: I want to soak a little football in. I've been
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: waiting for this. Preseason pro football doesn't do anything for me, Sean,
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: because it just doesn't mean anything and no starters play.
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: You're going to see starters playing in all these games,
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: but especially that Idaho Cal Poly game, just so I
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: can put my eyeballs on Josh Wood and Demonte Bias
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: and Ferrari Miller and some of these guys from Idaho
• 46:47
  Speaker 9: who we'll see on Thursday. By the way, that's a
• 46:50
  Speaker 9: tough back-to-back for the Vandals. You've got to open on
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: the road against, you know, Cal Poly's not a juggernaut,
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: but then you have a short week to go to
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: play in Salt Lake City. That's not easy.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: A big picture question for you. And it's been dominating
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the storylines earlier in the week. Not so much today.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Will we have a guy or multiple guys that were
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: in training camp with an NFL team or did OTAs
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: or appeared at a preseason game or any of that?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Will any of those people actually play college football because
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of a temporary restraining order or an injunction or anything
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: else in 2026?
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: I don't think so. I mean, the leagues have come
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: out pretty strongly against this. I mean, the SEC, the
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, some of the
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: group of fives, they're all saying they don't want this.
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: And if some of the threats by some of these
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: conference commissioners are true, do you want to really risk that?
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: Do you want a judge to rule in your favor
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: and then have another judge overrule it? And then you're
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: fined a half a million dollars and have to sit
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: out four or five games? I, I, I understand. I
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: don't approve of it, but I understand why guys like
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: Kiffin do it. The, the old thought, if I don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: do it, somebody else might plus Kiffin coach Dequan, right?
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: Last year at old miss. So I get that a
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: little bit too, but I think we need to remove
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: this loophole from the game. I think we just need
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: to pull this loophole and say, no, no, no, no.
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: You've made the effort. You decided to declare to go pro.
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: The eligibility is what it was, but you chose to
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: do that. You're not able to come back to college football.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: So I don't think we'll see that. I think we're
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: too close to the season. I think it would cause
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: too much distraction. Plus, you know, some of these guys,
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: then they have to come in and learn a playbook.
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: What kind of a distraction does that bring into your
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: locker room? So, yeah, I would highly doubt it. You,
• 48:53
  Speaker 9: you're going to, you'd think we'll see one.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think we see any. What about in basketball?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Obviously you tell disappointing news with the Noam Yakov situation.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Jackson Kohler at BYU, his future now up and up
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: in the air because of all this stuff. What do
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you think in basketball?
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: Well, we, we, we've, we've seen LSU again in on
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: the mix with the guy that was the former St.
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: John's player that was on the jazz roster for a minute. Luis, uh,
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: I think it's more likely we see it in basketball
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: because there's more opportunities and there's a little bit more time.
• 49:29
  Speaker 9: I just think we're too close to the college football
• 49:31
  Speaker 9: season now, but we're still two months away from the
• 49:34
  Speaker 9: start of college basketball. So that wouldn't surprise me as much, but,
• 49:40
  Speaker 9: I hope it doesn't happen. At some point, Sean, we
• 49:44
  Speaker 9: have to draw the line in the sand that is
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: actually a permanent line. It's not something that can be moved.
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: It's not a chalk line. It's a painted line, a
• 49:54
  Speaker 9: line that can't be just brushed away and readjusted.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: Hope we don't see this. We've got enough issues that
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: we're dealing with. To add this another new layer to it,
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: it just seems like more– I don't know. It just
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: seems like more than we need to have at this
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: point in time.
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  Speaker 2: International is going to join us. We'll talk maybe a
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  Speaker 2: But Carlos, in three minutes, well, more like five, it's
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  Speaker 5: Carlos, welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Good.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the introduction. Happy to be here again.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: So what's wrong with our RSL squad. They have not
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: won an MLS match since may. They got $ 15 million
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: for selling gozo and everyone's waiting to see how that's
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: going to be deployed to help this roster. But it
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: was such a hot start and they've gone ice cold.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, first thing is you mentioned Gozo.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: They sold him.
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: So whenever you sell your best player, you're going to suffer.
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: No matter what team it is, it could be Real Madrid, Barcelona,
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: or Real Salt Lake. When you sell an asset like
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: Xavier Gozo, your team will feel it. And then when
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: a player that was producing at a high level like
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: Zach Booth gets hurt in that same spot.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Then you're in scramble mode.
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: And then when you have two fronts like Leaks Cup
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: and MLS simultaneously, and you don't have the depth to
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: withstand the rigors of both competitions, then the problems just
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: pile up. I see, I think Russell Lake has a
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: really good team. I mean, with injuries like the RPO injury,
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: the Annelli injury, now the Zach Booth, which you cannot
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: control or, you know, budget for. But when you look
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: at the completion or the totality of the roster, I
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: see a really, first of all, I think you have
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: one of the greatest coaches in MLS. Pablo Mastroianni is
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: a football or soccer savant.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing. Gozo is the.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Evidence of that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: And then I.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: Think has our Connie is, is turning.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Back into shape, recovering from the injury.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: You have a wealth of, of homegrown young Utah based
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: talent like hazard Connie who are making their strides and
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: major league soccer goes, though, is the latest example. So
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: I think it's, it's a combination of bat luck, which
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: comes in the shape of injuries Being, to a degree,
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: a victim of your own success in being able to
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: qualify to the next round of League's Cup, then you
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: lost the game.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: To Lyon, which I understand.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: But honestly, it's just that, I think. It's bat luck, injuries,
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: the selling or the sell of departure of Gozo.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Some players underperforming.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: I think Victor Ella tune G I'm concerned about here's
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: a guy who has scored eight goals in champions league
• 55:11
  Speaker 6: and is nowhere to be seen as your backup nine,
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: who should be fighting for your starting nine spot against surgery.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: So once.
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: There's continuity issues because of the rotation. So But I
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: see a really good team when the squad is healthy
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: and you can depend on just that. That's the skeleton,
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: the base skeleton of the team. I think it's a
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: very competitive team with a couple of additions, maybe another
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: nine perhaps. And I think a winger, a right side
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: winger to replace goes, Oh, we do wonders for this
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: squad as well.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: A lot of the, you know, headlining moments, a lot
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: of the headlining goals have been a product of the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: goes those mastery and Diego Luna being a finisher and
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: things like that. When you, when you take a Pippen
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: away from Jordan or Jordan away from Pippen or whatever,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, we've, we failed to recognize how
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: costly that could be for your other best player. When
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: now a lot of the defensive pressure is applied in
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: one spot.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: And it's a great point.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: A player that I think what I've seen from him
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: is encouraging is Lineker Rodriguez. Here's a young guy who
• 56:25
  Speaker 6: you didn't form. He's not you to native, but he's
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: now spent, I would think enough time with, with the
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: team that he understands what the, what the tactics demand
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: from Pablo. He, so far he's been used as another
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: 10 and, But in that scheme, you only need two.
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: You need a left 10 and a right 10.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Left side is Diego's.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: He's using Gilivogi as the.
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: Right side 10. And that's where Lineker plays. I wonder,
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: and that was Gozo's spot before he got played back
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: into the wingback spot on the right side.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I guess I wonder if at.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Some point with Booth being out, that spot usually goes
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: to DeAndre Yatling, but he's 33 and a different kind
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: of player. I wonder if Lineker would be an option
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: at some point to play that right-hand wingback spot and
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: replace Gozo. And then you would have three backs, whether
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: it's Junko or Arias or Quinton or whoever you want
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: to play.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: In the back on the three-back line.
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: And then you have Lineker would be that right winger
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: with any combination of Ruiz or Spearings. or Kaliskan or
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: whoever you want to play in the middle when an
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: alley comes back and then Sanabria.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Plays the left side.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: And then you have your structure with Gilavogi Luna and,
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: and so you salons up top.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Switching gears. If you don't mind a little bit to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: the NFL, because obviously the, you wear that hat sometimes
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: and NFL international. Now you've you're in Miami instead of
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: San Francisco. Is that correct?
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: I just moved from, I actually drove from San Francisco
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: to Miami, a grueling mind, a challenging endeavor.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: From San Jose to Miami.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: I'm now based out East in Florida.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: That's a long, that is a long, long drive.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: As we marched towards San those week one games and
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: every T every team kind of wraps up their pre-season.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Is there any, any squad or any storyline that has
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: captured your attention in this sort of weird final week
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: of not real football before we get to the good stuff?
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: Speaker 5, I guess Cleveland, right? I mean, what the
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: hell are they doing?
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean Watson.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: It's the Sean Watson. It's it's when you have two quarterbacks,
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: you have none.
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: And I would have thought that would have gone with,
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: with Shadur just to know really what they have.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: And I understand it's easier.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: To go to the older quarterback first. If he doesn't work,
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: you ship back to the young guy and shift that man.
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: That might be the case, but if they're talented, just,
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: just not there. the worst place you can be in
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: the NFL is mediocre.
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, in between like.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: A nine and eight and eight and nine and eight
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: and 10, seven and 10 team, which they could be.
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: But if I would have started should urge to know
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: what I have. And if we tank, we tank. And
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: then you go get Manning that, but I have no
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: idea what they're doing in the QB spot. It's a
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: great question.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: And to me, that's a fascinating one. We'll see what happens.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Last thing, and I know we've got to let you go,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: but that was going to be my next question. College
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: football starts week zero this weekend, and then obviously we're
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: off and running next week in earnest. As you're looking
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: at college football through the NFL lens, which players are
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: you watching for that top draft spot in the 2026-2027 cycle?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: Because I have to go, I'll give you a one-word answer.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Manning.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: I'm out.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: That's good enough for us. Thanks for the time. Carlos
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Mauricio Ramirez, NFL international MLS on Apple TV and a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: friend of the program who is now a drive from
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: San Francisco all the way to Miami cross country for real.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: That's a rough one. I appreciate him giving his thoughts
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: on the RSL situation. Like I was in the building.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: We went and watched last week when RSL battled all
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: the way back against Dallas. They go down early. They
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: battled back, even it up at three, three. And then
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: with like no time left on the clock. In fact,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: it was to be very beginning of extra time. Just
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: allowed the most little league. My best player is better
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: than your best player. He's just going to take it
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: from the corner, dribble around. three guys and put it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: in the back of the net type goal. And that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: ended up before three loss. And since then it's been
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: lost to one to Orlando, the aforementioned leagues cup loss
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: to Leon. And tomorrow night it is Colorado and real
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake at Dick's sporting goods park in Colorado. So
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: after that, the next home game, September 5th at America
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: first field against LAFC. Hope to see this squad get
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: back on track after losing some momentum post-World Cup. Tough
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: stuff to deal with. All right, so Carlos, I wanted
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: to pick his brain a little bit more about the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: rising talents in college football as it pertains to these
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: NFL rosters because you're going to see that conversation happening
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: around college football where You know, there's the Trinidad shambles
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: of the world. There's the arch Mannings of the world,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: the Julian sayings of the world, these top quarterbacks in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: college football, then become the top targets in NFL football.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: These NFL teams that are going to kind of figure
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: it out in the first four to six weeks, whether
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: or not they have anything. And beyond that, you're potentially
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: racing toward the bottom. As we saw in the NBA
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: for so many years with Utah jazz, you're racing toward
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: the bottom to try to get yourself the best draft
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: position and the best draft pick. I don't know that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: we are super clear yet on who that's going to be. Now,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Manning arch Manning's name is obviously rising to the top
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: of many, many lists because his last name is Manning
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: and the low hanging fruit. And you've heard this question
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: asked by every radio guy in the world already is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: if his name was arch Johnson or arch Jones or
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: arch shambles, would his, star be rising the same way?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Would people be talking about him the same way? And
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the obvious answer is no, but because he's Arch Manning
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and because people see the flashes and the glimmer of, uh,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: you know, that dynasty of quarterback play, they feel like
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: it's lower risk. to go in on, hey, Arch Manning's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: going to be that guy. Texas obviously felt like it
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: was low risk to go in on Arch Manning being
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: that guy. I think he's an awesome athlete. I think
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: he's got a great arm. I think that it's completely
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: unfair to expect him to be either of his uncles
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: when they're both Super Bowl winners. They're both Hall of Famers.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Peyton obviously is thought of on another tier even than
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Eli is, but Eli had an insane amount of success
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: at both the college level And the pro levels. And
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: then you go all the way back to grandpa. And
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: so you're being expected to carry this forward. We have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: some version of that at our local universities, right? Our
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: local schools. You've got like the Ellis's now at the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: university of Utah, by the way, at Idaho before the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: older Ellis brothers were Idaho guys, university of Idaho guys
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: that are now killing it in the NFL. Obviously dad
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Luther was a great player for the university of Utah
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: before relocating to Idaho. And then the younger brothers ended
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: up being part of this Utah football roster.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Both.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Well, not just both. I think all, I think Southern Utah,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Weber state, Utah state, Utah, and BYU have all fielded
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: one or more Cal Fousey at some point, Andrew.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: Would, I would agree. Kalfusi is everywhere.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: The Kalfusi is, and it's a big clan, right? There's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of offshoots. There's cousins, but I think every
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: one of them has had a Kalfusi and most of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: them have had a Kalfusi on the staff as well
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: as on the field.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Right. So we, we get some version of this. The
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Glaskers are at BYU right now. You've got a bunch
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: of the Hannemans have got rolled through BYU. The it's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: a family affair. in a lot of these Utah and
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: BYU football rosters, the same is true with Utah state,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: but it's a, it's a wildly different animal when we're
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: talking about national football league royalty, when we're talking about
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: what Arch Manning is dealing with and what the NFL
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and everyone who watches both college football and NFL football
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: are doing in judging that player and judging Arch Manning specifically.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a question about this because to me,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: just from maybe an outsider's perspective on Manning, it feels
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: a little bit like Shador Sanders.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: A couple years ago.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: He's a good player, but maybe the media is more
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: in love with him than the actual GMs are going
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: to be. Do you think that could happen where the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: media is just all over Manning, Manning, Manning, and the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: GMs are like, Hold a minute.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: We'll, we'll take him a few rounds later.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I actually think you bring up an interesting question and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's a decent one to ask. I think
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: it's going to go the opposite way. I think that,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: so what happened with Shador and look at the GMs
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: are kind of being proven, right? So far, what happened
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: with Shador is he was an unbelievable playmaker in college football,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: like as unlikable as any college football athlete that we've
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: ever seen. But as a playmaker, especially at the lower level,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: and then when he went to Colorado, with the right receivers,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: he didn't have the right offensive line, he didn't have
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: the right run game, he didn't have the right defense.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: He had great wide receivers, and he had his own ability.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: He was wildly talented. He was so dang good. Painfully,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: obnoxiously in some situations. And I think that because of...
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: the way that his public persona was out there, the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: way that his dad's public persona has been out there
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: for decades and the way that, you know, his brother's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: legal troubles and all these things. I think that people
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: looked at Shador and, And they were just like, that's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: a mess waiting to happen for us. If you just
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: take his football in a vacuum, he's not a first-round
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: draft pick. He's not the number one overall pick. But
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: if you just take his football in a vacuum, you're
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: just like, holy cow, this kid's got something. He's got
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: a crazy live arm. I mean, the problem is when
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: your name is Shador Sanders and you are very publicly
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: outwardly forward-facing the equally cocky son of the cockiest player
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: that's ever been in the NFL... You put yourself into
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: different conversations from a comparison standpoint. Instead of being like, hey,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: this guy's a good second, third, fourth round draft pick.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: The NFL was just like, he thinks he's the number
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: one overall draft pick. His talent says he's a third rounder,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: which for me does like a reverse multiplier and drops
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: him all the way to the fifth or the sixth
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: round because I don't want to deal with the trouble.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I think Arch Manning will be treated in an opposite manner.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I think because he has been Such a consummate professional.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: He has been probably, if we're being honest, he'd been
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: like falsely humble in a lot of, like, I think
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: he's been trained to be outwardly humble when quarterbacks are
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: not humble. Peyton Manning is not humble. Eli Manning is
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: not humble. They are not supposed to be humble, but
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: they have that all shucks kind of thing about them.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: And arch carries himself the same way. So let's say
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: that arch has exactly Shador Sanders film. And of course
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: he won't. But if he had exactly Shador Sanders. film,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I think arch gets treated better by the NFL than
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Shador was. And Shador is because optics are everything. Expectation
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: is everything. And If you think as an NFL GM,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: as a coach, you're inheriting a headline and a headache
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: instead of a player who's going to put his head
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: down and work. Shador puts his head down and works. Nobody,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: even his biggest detractors, his biggest haters, nobody was out
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: there saying that Shador Sanders doesn't put in the time
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: to master the craft of being a quarterback. He likes
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the flashy stuff about it. He likes the watches. He
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: likes the cars. He likes the interviews. He likes to
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: be like the guy that people talk about arch. to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: be determined. Seems like he doesn't necessarily love it as much,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: but it's the optics. It's the, and like some people
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: will say it's racially different. Some people will say it's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: culturally different. What it is is one guy's dad is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: the Manning that didn't end up playing in the NFL.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: So they judge him by his uncles instead of his dad.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: The other guy's dad is the on bleep and Sanders
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: who has never met a camera. He So these GMs
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: come to that with a frame of reference, with a
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: judgment standpoint, consciously or subconsciously, where they're just like, oof.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Shador had to be damn near perfect as a football
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: player for people to want everything else that came with Shador.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: And he wasn't. He's a flawed football player. He's a
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: flawed quarterback. Arch Manning. Could be equally flawed, but he'll
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: be given the benefit of the doubt instead of punished
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: for all of that extracurricular stuff, in my opinion. Does
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: that make sense?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense. The GMs had to kind of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: hedge their bets with Shador, essentially.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: Because of all the risks that comes with the publicity
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: with him.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: They're just Shador is. And I wish I've said this
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: so many times. I actually wish that D I think
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Dion is like, like so many of us, he is
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the dad that just has a blind spot specifically for
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: his kids. I think that he's the right coach for
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of the other guys that went and played
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: at the university of Colorado. a lot of guys that,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: you know, he, he would deliberately talk about guys who
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: didn't have a father figure at home. He wanted to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: be that he wanted to like, especially for African-American young
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: men who came from backgrounds similar to his own, he
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to like bring those guys under his wing and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: teach them. Kind of his way, and it might not
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: be everyone's right way, but his way made sense, right?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: He's a very outwardly faithful type person. He wanted it
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: to be a Christian type atmosphere. He wanted God to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: be a big part of people's lives. He was forcing
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: that or pressing that onto players. I think for a
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: lot of players, that was a good thing. I think
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: that Deion... like teaching guys what the NFL was going
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: to be about while they were in college was exactly
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: what a lot of these young men were looking for
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: in their environment. And I think that he had a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: certain level of accountability in his program that a lot
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: of guys, especially guys that were going to like the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Jackson states of the world didn't necessarily expect, but his
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: own sons, he did not do that too. And he
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: did not do that with, and we haven't talked about
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: this a ton on the show. Cause I think people
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: have primetime fatigue, he's getting like summons to court and subpoenas. to,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: to go testify in not Shador's case, but Shiloh's case,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Shiloh's legal cases, because his son's like his son beat
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: somebody up at school, a staff member at school when
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: he was in high school and got sued and had
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: to file bankruptcy. He's got like an $ 11 million bankruptcy
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: filing situation that Dion has to be a part of.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: And he's being called to court, testify in court during
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: the football season. Like Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: That's not going to go great for Colorado. It's not
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: going to go great for Colorado.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: And also if you're in the NFL, if you're an
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: NFL GM, or if you're an NFL franchise, you're just like,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You've got 52 other players that also generate headlines.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: You can't have one. That's going over the top. What
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: kind of other stuff are we doing here?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Because like, you know, like the, and again, like Shador
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: just doesn't do himself any favors because a lot of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: guys don't want to talk to the media and that's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: totally fine. They treat people respectfully when they don't want
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: to talk to the media. I don't want to paint
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: with a blanket brush here. The media day experiences we
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: had with Dion. Dion was great. Travis Hunter was great.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Shador was a pain in the ass. Was a jerk
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: to everybody. And like, again, that's anecdotal. I'm only speaking
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: from my own experience. But I also talked to a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: lot of people who had the same experience, right?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: So it's like, okay. You could fake it.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: It's very, very easy to be a fake likable person.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: You know what it's supposed to look like. He didn't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: do that. And I think it hurt him in the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: NFL and it's still hurting him in the NFL to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: some extent. I pulled up the Shador Sanders pro stats.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I need to find his college stats. Arch Manning is
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: coming off a season at Texas. Remember, this is his
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: fourth year at Texas now. He's coming off a season
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: at Texas where he had three 3,163 yards, 26 touchdowns,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: seven interceptions. That by itself is a pretty dang good season.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: If you gave anybody those numbers who wasn't named Arch Manning, everyone.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: Would be like, okay, that's a solid year for your quarterback.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: 61% is not the completion percentage I'm looking for. I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: need that to be closer to 65, 70. We'd probably
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: look at it and be like, all right, cool. but
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: it's not good enough when it's Arch Manning. And now
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: that lens doesn't just get focused on expectations for his
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Texas career. It's also going to be a dual examination of, okay,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: what is he in next year's draft? His running ability,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: his athleticism, his arm, his processing speed, all of those
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: things come into even more hyper-focus because teams want Arch
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Manning to be near the top of the draft. They
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: want They want what we hope is true about him
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: to be true about him. They want a Manning. It's
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: a low risk proposition for any GM, any coach. If
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: you're at the top of the draft, if you're in
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: the top five and you select a quarterback named Manning,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: your fan base is going to be like, I like that.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I like that. That's a good pick. I don't know.
• 1:16:02
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  Speaker 2: mammoth fans. We're still a couple of months away from
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  Speaker 2: where this team needs to be talked about in earnest,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: but would you support bill Armstrong and company being a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: hyper aggressive and trying to solve your goaltender problem? And
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: when I say goaltender problem, I mean, your backup goaltender problem.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Veggie was the most active in the entire league last year.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: He played more games than any other goaltender in the league.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: He is a grinder. This is a guy who was,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were 12 and 13 game stretches where
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: he did not get any rest. And part of that
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: was because there was not a ton of trust from
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: coach bear and the rest of the front office that
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: your backup was going to be any kind of any good. Now,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: veggie was supposed to be the backup when he arrived.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: And obviously the Connor Ingram mental health situation became a thing.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Veggie stepped up, did everything that you were, that he
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: was asked and he became your bonafide number one goaltender.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: He became a guy that, uh, I think the fans
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: kind of rallied behind.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: He needs help.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: You need a better backup goaltender in this mammoth pipeline or, uh,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: not just in the pipeline on the big league roster
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: on the NHL roster. And you need it now made
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: the playoffs last year. You want to win some playoff series.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: You probably need to make sure that veggie is not
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: fading at the end of the season. And they did
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: not lose the playoff series to the Vegas gold Knights
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: because of veggie. But The point stands that you still
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: need to fix that. Well, one of the biggest names
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: in NHL goaltending has requested a trade out of Winnipeg
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: and Connor Hellebook is now available on the open trade market.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Most of the publications that are looking for his, his
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: next landing spot are not even mentioning the Utah mammoth,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: but I think what this does is it potentially creates
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: a domino effect where you probably don't end up with
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: hella buck. I don't even think you want to end
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: up with hella buck because then it's one of those
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: like two quarterback situations. You got two starting goalies. You
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: don't want to starting goalies. You want there to be
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: a pretty clear pecking order. At least for now, he's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: probably going to end up in Buffalo or heaven forbid.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: He ends up with San Jose. I don't think San
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Jose wants to mortgage any of their young talent. to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: try and acquire him. If you're Winnipeg, you would demand
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: that they do that. No one's getting Macklin Celebrini out
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: of there, but the supporting cast is going to be
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: important for San Jose to terrorize the West and including
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: the Utah mammoth for the coming years. I think the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: more likely outcome here is that like, let's say he
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: ends up in Buffalo or he ends up in Carolina
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: or he ends up in one of these places. I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: hope he ends up in the East. He ends up
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: in one of these places that feels like they're a,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: a goalie away from either another Stanley cup or real
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Stanley cup contention. To be clear, Utah does not feel
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: like they are a goalie away. They feel like they
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: have their guide, their contract and the extension that they
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: gave to veggie indicates as such. But if somebody else
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: goes out and gets hella buck, that's going to shuffle
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: a deck in another position room, right? Another franchise's position room.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: And if you're not, confident in your young pipeline coming
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: from Tucson and other places for Utah, for the Utah mammoth,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: then maybe some of that trickle down effect ends up
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: freeing up, you know, another veteran goaltender who's got, who
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: can give you 30 games a year and allow for
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: veggie to have a more rested season in 2026, 2027
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: than he had last year. But that was, It's something
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that really interestingly that, you know, Hellebuck, he is the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: team USA goaltender. He's a guy that at his very
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: best can be the best in the entire league. Didn't
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: have a great statistical year last year. He was actually
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: 23 and 23 as the starter for, for Winnipeg. He
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: was veggie was statistically a better gold, better goaltender than
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Connor Hellebuck was. If that matters to you, apparently he
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: made this trade request and, privately to Winnipeg a long
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: time ago, months and months ago. And because the season
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: is approaching and things are kind of ramping up and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: reporting is getting a lot more aggressive, especially on the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Canadian hockey front. He, he went to his own social
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: media and released his own statement saying like, look, I
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: tried to do this in the most respectful way, but
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: it is time for me to move on. I did
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: submit a trade request and you know, that, It's a
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: heartbreaker for some Winnipeg fans. Others have wanted him out
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: of there. So hella buck on the move. What does
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: it do for the goalie situation around the league? What
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: does it do for the mammoth? We'll keep an eye
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: on it. Andrew, are you a card collector of any kind?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Do you like, do you collect your young chap? What
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: are you like 19?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: I'm 23.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: You're 23.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Are you into the rip in the packs? Are you
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: collecting cards?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: I've never actually been a card collector. It kind of
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: fascinates me from a different, like a distance, but I've
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: never been like, I've never collected cards.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: So I did when I was a kid, I have
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: not jumped back into the hobby. We talk about it
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: on the show a lot because I'm like you, I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: get kind of fascinated when you see these crazy stories.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: We talked a couple of weeks ago about the Cooper flag,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: one of one rookie debut patch card.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: That was pulled out of a pack. It was pulled
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: out of a pack.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: In Rhode Island that somebody in North Carolina actually owned
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: the card because of, did you hear about this?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. I'll explain it to you again because it's fascinating
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: to me. This is apparently a way that things are
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: done in the, the hobby, like the elite level hobby
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: card collecting. So there's a company, there's several of these,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: but there was a company, uh, in Rhode Island, uh,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: that their whole thing is they do like live streams
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: of them opening boxes of cards and they get the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: fancy hobby boxes that are like a thousand dollars to buy.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: If you want, or if I want, or if anyone wants,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: they can go when this, this box of cards is
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: going to be open. They can say, all right, I'm
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: going to buy the rights to all of the Dallas
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Mavericks card out of that box or all the Utah
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: jazz cards. or all the San Antonio Spurs cards or
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: all the 49ers cards. That's my team out of this box.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: So you pay like 200 bucks or 50 bucks or
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: a hundred bucks or whatever. And then you get the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: rights to whatever team that you just paid for. Does
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: that make sense?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Okay. So some guy in North Carolina paid 500 bucks
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: to have all the Dallas Mavericks cards out of this box,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: hoping for this one card to get pulled the one
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: of one rookie debut Cooper flag, which is projected to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: be the best card in this season, this cycle. I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, now the equivalent card to this that
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: sold last year at a similar auction, this is going
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: to be auctioned off next month and it's going to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: be fanatics collect. It'll be It's a gem mint 10,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: one of one autograph debut tops. Chrome rookie card will
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: be auctioned off on its platform. That in itself was
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: a sweepstakes. All of these auction houses wanted to be
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: the one to auction this thing off. Fanatics collect gets
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to do it. The owner still has not
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: touched the card. He has not seen the card in
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: like a physical form. He has not had it in
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: his hands, which is wild to me, but it has
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: been verified. It is real. It is now the auction
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: house has it. They're going to sell it. The equivalent
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: to this card from last year's class was, or I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: guess it would be two years ago. Now was Victor
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: women Yama, the equivalent to this sold. Did you want
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: to know how much the Victor women Yama version of
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: this card sold for?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: $ 5.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: 1 million. That's insane to me. So updates on a
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: story we gave you in the daily dump a couple
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: of weeks back, the Cooper flag projected price is three
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: and a half million plus.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: You taking the over under.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm taking the under, well, see, I shouldn't, I shouldn't
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: take the other. I should take the over because Cooper flag,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: he's not quite as hyped as Victor women, Yama. He's
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: not living up to the hype. quite the same way
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: that Victor women Yaba, but it's close.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: I'll say I would take the under just because he
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: smashed between Wemby and the AJ and Darren Peterson that
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: they're just so close together. I wonder if that decreases
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: the value.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start. I'm going to start buying my
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: way into these, these boxes of cards with the Utah
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: jazz stuff to try to get the Darren Peterson one
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: of one.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: I'm probably not going to do that with the AJ
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: to box. Although I bet I could sell that card
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: for a pretty penny to like Ryan Smith or something.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: By the way, the owner was offered the owner of the,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: the one of one Cooper flag card. He was offered
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of money by the Dallas Mavericks to just,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: they wanted to buy the card, I guess, to put
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: it in the stadium or something. I don't know what,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: like if you're the franchise, you have the player. You like,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: why do you need the card of the player? You
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: have the player. Why are you buying his collector cards?
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: But anyway, the Dallas Mavericks gave him like a pretty
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: fancy offer. And he said, no, and he's putting it
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: up for auction. It says, let's see here. A Paul
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: skeins version of the same card fetched $ 1. 1 million last year.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: That that's reasonable.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: $ 1 million for a card.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: That's a heck of a lot better than five. I'd see.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: This is why these headlines are why the card collecting
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: just fascinates me because I cannot imagine. I mean, obviously
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: I'm 23 and college student broke as can be. I
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: cannot imagine spending a thousand dollars on a card, much
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: less millions of dollars on a card. Like it just,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: That level of hobby is is crazy.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Here's another crazy thing. So the Victor Wimbanyama, it was
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: a Panini prism black card. Okay. Sold for $ 5. 11 million
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: in a private sale via this same auction site. Fanatics collect.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: All right. It's the most ever spent on the Wimbanyama card.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: It's the fourth best. It's the fourth most ever spent
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: on a basketball card, which means there's been three cards
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: that someone paid more than $ 5 million for. It's the
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: 11th most expensive sports card ever. 10 people have paid
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: more than $ 5 million for a single sports card. That's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: crazy to me. Previous to that one being sold, the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: most expensive Victor Wemba Yama card that had ever come
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: out was... $ 860, 000. So you more than five X on
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: the Victor Wimben Yama, the second one that rolled around
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: that big. So if you're, if you're a Cooper flag fan,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: if you're a Cooper flag believer, you think that there's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: probably significant upside to this one in this auction.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Just insane to me.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: If you see that, that, that is the crazy thing
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: is the person who's buying this for three and a
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: half million dollars probably is thinking that they can get
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: They're doing this so that they can sell it for
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: $ 7 million five years down the road.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: I will say this. I'm all for people spending their
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: money how they want to spend their money. But if
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: you spend $ 5 million on a trading card, you should
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: make yourself donate another $ 5 million to charity or something.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: See, the Andrew Peterson Foundation is open for business. Helping
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: Andrew Peterson's all around the ESPN radio station.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: This is specifically for Andrew Peterson's who also work on
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: the Utah ESPN radio affiliates.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: That's a very narrow focus of that charity, Andrew.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: It can, it can be used in other ways for
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: Andrew Peterson's all around the station.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to, I'm going to see if I
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: can follow this fanatics collect auction that's happening. And we'll
• 1:30:50
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  Speaker 2: the leaderboard looks like.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Are you aware of this?
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  Speaker 5: I was not aware of this.
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  Speaker 4: So we've got the leaderboard pulled up on the PGATour.com.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: It says that Cameron Young is in first at Minus eight.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Tied with Minwoo Lee. So they're both tied for first.
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  Speaker 4: Then we've got four players tied at third. Jacob Bridgerman.
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  Speaker 4: Sam Burns. That's a difficult name. Akshay Bhatia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Akshay Bhatia. Okay.
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  Speaker 10: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: That'll sneak up on you. That'll get you. That's minus seven.
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  Speaker 4: It's ironic that I'm doing this given that the highest
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  Speaker 4: level of golf I've ever played is Wii Golf.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So this is lovely because... I am also not
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: a golf guy, right? Like at some point you're still
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: young enough that it's fully acceptable for you to not
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  Speaker 2: be a golf guy yet because your body is young
• 1:32:58
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  Speaker 2: to my age, everyone's just like, dude, golf, that's the
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  Speaker 2: only thing you have. You have to play golf. You
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: have to golf. And I'm just like, I, I guys, I,
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  Speaker 2: I like to go out to the golf course with
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: my friends so I can hang out with my friends.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm a terrible golfer. I'm the worst golfer that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: you will ever find. And as such, I have a
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: hard time being in love with watching golf.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: We always do this where I throw the leaderboard updates
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  Speaker 2: to James or whoever's behind the glass, because that person
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: is always more of a golf person than I am.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: But right now we have two non golf guys.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: I think here's the thing is I think you're more
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: of a golf guy than I am. I've never even
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: been out to a course.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: Like I went to top golf once and I actually won.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: This is the funny story.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 4: And here's why I don't know how to swing a
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  Speaker 4: golf club. I was with guys that were just, swinging
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: stuff all over the place and just sending it way
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: out there. I had this, like, Charles Barkley-type golf swing
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  Speaker 4: where I was, like, right before the ball, made sure
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: I hit it, and just flung it off.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: And I, like, it went to, like, the closest hole
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: every time. The other guys are just swinging away, and
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: they're missing. I was like, wow, I am by far
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: the worst golfer with the best score here.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: They're hitting for distance and missing the target, and you
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: were just playing for average.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: I just wanted something.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: I can appreciate that.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: Anyways.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: So cam young and Min Woo Lee sitting at the
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  Speaker 9: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: I will be joining. So I told you guys, this
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  Speaker 2: the Sean O'Connell Show with JT Wistersell. He's here in
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  Speaker 2: publisher of Ute Authority over at 247 Sports. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, sir? Hold on. We got to get
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: his mic on. Fired up here. Try again. How about now? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there he is.
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  Speaker 5: There's JT. I was complimenting the studio. It's a nice studio.
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  Speaker 5: It's a very nice studio.
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  Speaker 2: We got a little Britton Covey jersey hanging right behind me.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Got a couple bobbleheads over there, including the late, great
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Steve Klauke. We miss Klauke. That red on red on
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: red helmet is my favorite Utah helmet ever. Really? It's
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: my favorite one.
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  Speaker 8: I like the, was it 2019 hand-painted helmets they did
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 8: when they just throttled UCLA?
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  Speaker 5: If you remember those.
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  Speaker 2: Which ones were those?
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 8: I forgot exactly. They looked a little Ohio State-ish off
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 8: the top of my head.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: But those were my personal favorite. Obviously, the U.S. Salt
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 8: Lake ones were great, too. I don't think they've announced
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: what we're doing with the hand-painted ones this year yet, though.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Not yet. Not yet. The guy who does, or who
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: has done, Armando, who's done the hand-painteds, he's now, like,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: the best in the business in every school is having
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: him do their hand painted. Um, I've been following him.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: He's doing the King of Mardi Gras two lane ones
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: this year. They're having a hand painted for that are
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: a Mardi Gras theme for two lane. And it is
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: the 50th year, I think of the blue, the Smurf
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: turf at Boise state. So he did a, an homage
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: on the helmet. It's painted like Smurf turf, very subtle,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: but really cool for Boise state. And that one actually
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: made it into the NCAA football game, that helmet, that
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: special edition helmet. So fingers crossed that we get another
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: great hand painted from the university of Utah. I, I
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: think they gave us the announcement on what like the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: stadium theme is going to be like where red, where black,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: where whatever. And usually I think the open date, that
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: might be the hand painted date. We'll see.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway, to more important things, I started the show today.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: fired up ranting pretty hard about an article that look,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: this is what happens when you're just, Oh, so close
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: to football season. You don't have any real football to
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: talk about yet. Our guy, Jason Pataki, who does an
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: excellent job for the salt lake tribune caught up with
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: some former players. And I think there's six that are
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: cited in the article who have made claims that they
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: were pressured into playing while they were injured. at the
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: university of Utah. And this was of course, in the
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham tenure. And there are various accounts of whether
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: or not they were threatened to like with the loss
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: of a scholarship. The, the one sentence is they, they
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: said they would take away my scholarship or put somebody
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: above me on the depth chart. Yeah. That's what happens
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: when you're not playing anyway. And I was like, look,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: I don't like the timing of it. I don't like
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: The general sort of piling on notion of trying to
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: dig up everything that was bad about the Kyle Whittingham
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: era now that he's gone. I feel like it's a
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: bad reaction that we're all having somewhat collectively on different
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: levels to his absence. But I know you read the article.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: I know you took a look at it. What are
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on what came out in the Salt Lake
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Tribune today about players being pressured to play while injured?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 8: This is a college football problem across the country. This
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 8: isn't a, Oh my gosh, this is just a Utah.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 8: I have family members that have told me whether it's
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: swimming or various other sports, they felt pressure to play. So,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 8: and this happens at every level. So yes, it's out there.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: It's Utah.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 8: It's players putting their names on it, which is also very,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 8: very interesting. A couple remained anonymous, but this happens everywhere
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: where you have guys that basically are going to try
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: to put a bandaid over it to push through and play.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: You're going to have players that want to do that and, Yes.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: It is unfortunate in instances where players probably should sit
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 8: out that this happens, but this does happen everywhere. This isn't,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, I can't believe Kyle Winningham did this.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 8: And every other college athletic department is never doing anything
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 8: like that. This happens everywhere. So I will see what
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: happens under the Scali era. I know Utah is trying
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 8: to move away from certain things like this. That's the
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 8: reporting in here too, that we're hearing. So we'll see
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 8: what happens. As I said, I read this and I
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: was like, oh yeah, this is how, this is what
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 8: happens across everywhere in college athletics. Just interesting to see
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 8: the players put their name on it. I know Van
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 8: Fillinger's mom, I think they had the audio of like
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 8: a doctor visit in there too. So it's extensive, it's deep,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 8: but it wasn't shocking to me because as I mentioned,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: I've heard many stories like this from other college athletes
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 8: at various levels.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: I want to say, I'm not putting words in JT's
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: mouth here. I want to say this. I, FOTU said,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: they threatened to take away my scholarship. I have a
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: really hard time with this. I have a really hard time.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: This is Tevita FOTU, not Leckie FOTU. This is Tevita FOTU,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: who had a disappointing run at the University of Utah.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: He kind of underperformed in a lot of areas of
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: football in his life that made it so his path
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: to the University of Utah was not as direct as
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: had to do the Juco thing to get grades and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: all that kind of thing. And that's neither here nor there.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: A lot of guys do that. Some of the great
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Utah football players have come through the Juco ranks. Garrett
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Bowles and Starr and all these guys have come through
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: the Juco ranks and ended up being unbelievable players. They
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: threatened to take away my scholarship. Now, this is something
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: I would like to get a little bit more robust
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: of a conversation about, a little bit more significant of
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: an investigation on, because... There's a tacit agreement in the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: older version of college football that your scholarship was good
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: for four years. Now we know that's not the case
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: with the transfer portal because, Hey, we want you here. Great.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: And then the next, you know, transfer window rolls around. Hey,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: actually we want another guy to have your scholarship. We
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: think you should go now players, as far as I'm aware,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: and this is every school all over the country. I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: don't know of a single instance in which a coach
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: has said to a player, you no longer have a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: scholarship here. I'm taking it away from you. And that
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: player staying at their school. Right. And that player like
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: testing that out and saying, Oh really? I'm on the team.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: I'm under scholarship right now. Yes. You're encouraging me to transfer.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I don't want to, you're going to take away my scholarship.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: I have a really hard time believing that like Luther
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Ellis or Lewis Powell came up to, to Vita photo
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: and said, we're going to take your scholarship away. I
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: don't want to call a young man, a liar. I'm just,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: we all, when we feel victimized and we feel like
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: we're on the wrong end of a conversation or we're
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: on the wrong end of some kind of treatment, we
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: have a tendency to exaggerate. We have a tendency to embellish.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: And even if they said something to the effect of
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: your own scholarship, you need to play. you could interpret
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: that as, oh, you're saying if I don't play, then
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: I'm off scholarship. I don't know, but I have a
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: really hard time just taking it face value that coaches
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: were going around threatening to take away guys scholarships with
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: any level of seriousness, maybe during the play, like you
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: screw up, you've, you've, you get a pet, a stupid penalty.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: We're going to take your scholarship away. Like whatever. I
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: just have a hard time with this JT because these are,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, These are legal documents. These scholarship offers to
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: tell a kid, well, if you're, you're not going to
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: play through that rolled ankle, then I'm going to take
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: your scholarship away. I have a hard time with that one.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: I think it's a lot.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 8: And as you kind of mentioned too, there's different variations
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 8: and degrees of this stuff of, Hey, a guy might
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 8: be somewhere for four years. And then he plans on, Hey, Oh,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 8: I have my 50 or I want to spend it
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 8: at this school. And the school has other plans because
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 8: that player hasn't performed. I know of a player who
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: was at an sec school that he went through his
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 8: four years. He was a top 300 recruit. he was
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: a disappointment. He thought that he was going to be
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 8: able to continue there. The SEC coach that came in
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 8: there was, had only been there for a year. And
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: he basically said, Hey, you know, we're not going to
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 8: do that. We're going to have, we're going to go
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: in another direction and have this poppy open up.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: So you do see it happen.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 8: But once again, that was something, what they do, they
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 8: fulfilled the four-year obligation as well. If we talk about
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 8: with some of these scholarships too. So yeah, I have
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 8: a hard time with it too. I totally agree with
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: what you're saying. I just look at these instances, these situations,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 8: like These are big, major things. So, I mean, the
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 8: title of the article itself is, right, is the former
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: Utah football players say they felt pressure to play through injuries.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 8: That's what we talked about last time. That happens everywhere.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 8: I just have a really hard time seeing these coaches
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: going up to guys being like, do this or we'll
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 8: revoke your scholarship. I mean, we've gotten to talk to
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 8: a lot of these coaches, too. And, you know, we
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 8: also hear about what a great family culture Utah has.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 8: If this is how they are operating with everyone. Is
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 8: that the case? I don't think so. And that's where
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: this is also hard because a lot of these guys
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 8: are disgruntled players. It's not like, oh, this Utah legend
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 8: who had a great career, and then he's going back
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: and looking and saying, hey, I felt pressure to play
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: through this injury. It's a lot of guys who didn't
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: probably have quite the career they wanted to, and now
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 8: you look back and see and make these comments, and
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 8: I hear what they're saying, but at the same time,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 8: some of this stuff just doesn't add up with other
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 8: aspects we know about this Utah football program.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Look, we have to be fair to everyone here. And
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: the correct thing to state is that Utah football, specifically
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: the Kyle Whittingham era of Utah football did have an
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: issue with handling not only injuries, but the, I think
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: more importantly, the narrative around injuries and, the cam rising situation,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: you look no further than that, right? Cam rising is
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: one of the three best quarterbacks to ever play at
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: this school. I don't know that the next time we're
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: going to get cam rising, saying nice things about Utah
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: football or saying anything about Utah football, because his experience
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: was compromised by that whole situation. He felt a little
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: bit betrayed. He felt a little bit thrown under the
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: bus because he was trying to get his leg, right?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: It wasn't happening at the pace And Kyle Whittingham was
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: trying to hide, you know, the starting quarterback being injured
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: from the media. And so this narrative perpetuated for literally
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: a whole season. Like he might be available this week.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: He might be available this week. Hey, maybe we'll see
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: him this week when Cam knew and everyone knew. And
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: he was kind of, you know, he had the gag
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: order put on him. You're not going to tell people
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: that your knee was totally destroyed and that you're not
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: going to play this year, whatever. Like, so yes, the
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: previous staff deserves criticism. about the way they handled injuries
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: and the narrative around injuries, six players talking about, Hey,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: I was pressured to play football when I was hurt
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: is it's not news. I mean, that's, that's, I love Jason,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: but tacky of the, the, the stuff in here, the sensationalized, Hey,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: you know, The doctor said I could miss. And then
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: the coach said I couldn't. Well, coaches don't get to
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: supersede doctors anymore in college football. If this was an
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: article from the 1980s and somebody said, yeah, the doctor
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: said I shouldn't play, but coach made me. All right. Ultimately,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: like these decisions come down to, yes, coach wants you
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: to play. That's always going to be the case. If
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: you're not physically able to, a doctor has to stop
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: you from doing it. They can't like they're risking their
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: licenses and things like that. If they're And if they
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: were wrong about how severe an injury was, I suppose
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: there's a gray area there, but I just have a
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: really hard time with the framing of a lot of this.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: And more, more importantly, the timing of everyone saying now
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham is a villain. Now we hate Kyle Whittingham.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: So let's show everyone what a bad guy he was
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: and how he forced me to play when I was hurting.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: He didn't care about player safety. You as a fan
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: do not care about player safety. So pretending otherwise is silly.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: That's a great point.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 8: And Yeah, the Whittingham part of this is just what
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 8: makes it, and I understand he's not here anymore, so
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 8: maybe that's why the players feel like, okay, now we
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 8: can come out and talk about it. But Kyle Whittingham
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: did a lot of great things for this university, and
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: the reason that Utah is the type of program where
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 8: they're at the point where fans feel slighted that Kyle
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: Whittingham would go to Michigan, even though we know a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 8: lot about the whole exit and everything that even happened there.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 8: But the fact that fans even feel the fact that
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 8: they have a right to feel slighted in their eyes
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 8: that someone would choose Michigan over Utah shows how much
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: Kyle Whittingham did for this football program, did for this university,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 8: elevated them to the heights that they are at now.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: So it's just really strange. I mean, we're a week
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: away from kickoff, as you mentioned, too.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 8: So the timing of all this is really strange, too.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 8: And yeah, it's unfortunate that we're not kind of focused
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 8: on more of the game, the team next week. And instead,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 8: we're hearing from disgruntled players, and it's just another thing
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 8: in the Whittingham era, at least on the exit. I
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 8: actually said this on the radio earlier this week, Sean.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: I think this is one of the messiest exits we've
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 8: seen from a legendary head coach, and stuff like this
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 8: only piles onto it.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 5: Now he's going to be remembered.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: That's probably why the biggest problem I have with it
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: is because there's a low-hanging fruit situation here where if
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: I say, if I throw a Whittingham name into anything
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: right now, people are going to have to, because it's
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: polarizing very right. And I don't think Kyle Whittingham should
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: be a polarizing figure at all in Utah football. I
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: I've been on record saying that we joked and we
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: had this tongue in cheek thing for the, a couple
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: of weeks after he was gone, we treated him like Voldemort.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: I said, he, who shall not be named because we
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: were talking more about wit for three weeks in January.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: Then we talked about anything else and he was already
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: at Michigan. Right. And we're still doing this. Like this
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Utah football team under Morgan Scali with all these questions
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: and all these great players returning, both of those things
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: are true. They're playing a game in six days. And
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: we're talking about Kyle Whittingham again. That's my problem. That's
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: the issue I have. And I don't begrudge Jason Bataki
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: or anyone else. Who's a big J journalist reporting what
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: they think is a story. But I, my umbrage is
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: with the fact that I think this is a story.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: I it's not, If you go to BYU and you
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: ask every player who has ever had a bump or
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: a bruise or an injury, whether or not they felt pressure,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: negative or positive or good or bad, to get back
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: on the field, the true answer is yes. If you
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: go to USC, the true answer is yes. If you
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: go to Oklahoma, every coach wants their best players on
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: the field. And one of the most difficult things, the
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: most difficult decisions that coaches have to make is... figuring
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: out what percentage of my starter is still better than
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: my backup. In this case, I keep using Van Fillinger
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: because he's the headline name from this story. He's your
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: leading sack man in 2024. He started off the season
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: on an absolute tear. He finished the season with six sacks.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: Five of those six were the first three weeks of
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: the season, right? That's what we're talking about here. He
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: got hurt, and he tried to play through it, maybe
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: because of pressure from the coaches, maybe because of pressure
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: from his own self, whatever he tried to play through it.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: And at some point, a decision probably needed to be
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: made that the backup was better than a 50% van
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: fillinger or a 75% van fillinger. It's one of the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: hardest things that coaches have to do. They don't want
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: to have to do it. They want the best guy
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: out there. They want the best guy playing. And so
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: sometimes they make the wrong decision. They let the starter
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: who's heavily compromised play instead of a healthy backup play.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: That is something that is more worth criticism to me
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: than pressuring a player to be out there.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 8: Do you remember the 2024 Utah-Arizona State game, the final
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 8: game that Cam Rising ever played?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: I was there. I filled in for Sly on the sidelines.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: Sly was in the Pac-12 booth, and I got to
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: come out of the bullpen, and I was working the
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: radio sidelines in that game. And I was down on
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: the field on what snap number two, when cam rising
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: got rolled up on and couldn't walk the rest of
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: the game. And that was a failure. Like that is
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: something we can be critical of. That was a failure
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: by this coaching staff to be accountable to the other
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: 10 guys on the offense and the other 11 starters
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: on the, on the defense and everyone else who played
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: in that game. They were like, we're riding with cam rising,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: even though he's not good.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 8: Does he, didn't he might've given them a better chance
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: to win though, than Isaac Wilson for the rest of
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 8: the season?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: What was the playoff beat?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Speaker 2, Cam rising was immobile in that game. He
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: couldn't step into his throws every ball. I mean, they
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: had a chance to win the game. If it wasn't
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: for the pick play, they win the game. You remember
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: the penalty?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: Where Pittman was called for the illegal block, the crack
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: block or whatever. And it was ruled a pick play.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: If that doesn't happen, that play goes for a touchdown
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: and they win, right? You barely, barely squeak by in
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: that one, if not for that penalty. But despite the
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: fact that you had a heavily compromised quarterback, he could
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: not complete passes. And because the narrative had built up
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: to be this huge monster surrounding the program for years,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: for two years, right? When is Cam rising back? When
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: is Cam rising back? When is Cam rising back? Cam's
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: got to play. Cam's got to play. Cam's got to play.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Everyone felt like, look, Cam's got to play. Cam's our guy.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: We're riding with Cam. It was clear at halftime that
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: he could not play. And Kyle Whittingham said in the
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: post game, we asked Cam, he said he wanted to go.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: Cam rising is never going to tell people. I don't
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: want to play a game for sure, because everyone had
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: been building this narrative around him, cashing his NIL checks,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: not actually wanting to be on the field.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 5: These guys hear stuff. They try to mute it out.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: They try to to plug their ears on it.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: But he had been basically, he'd gone from being the
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: most popular pro the popular player in the program to
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: escape goat for some of the programs problems because he
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: was injured and people didn't realize how injured to when
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: he's back, they were like, Oh yeah, he doesn't even
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: want to play. He's not tough. He's not working hard
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: to rehab. That's what he's in that Arizona state game
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: on one leg. Knowing he's a bad player at this
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: point because he can't throw and he can't run. Those
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: are the two things he was good at. And the
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: coaching staff said, do you want to play? Of course,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: he's going to say yes. There's no other answer for
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: a player. If I ask Van Fillinger, right, we go
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: back to the 2024 season. that I think he's alluding
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: to in this article, I was pressured to play. They
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: said I should take six weeks off three weeks later.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: They're like, get yourself back on the field. If I
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: ask him in week three, do you want to play?
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: It's your choice. Are you going to play.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: Van?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Please come on the show and let's talk
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: JT.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 8: Do you think he's saying, no, I don't want to play.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 8: I think he was probably trying to be like, you
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 8: know what? I can try to be out there and
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: do it for my team. And then now, as he
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 8: looks back on it and goes, okay, wait a minute.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: Had I taken that year in red shirt and then
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 8: come back, probably have a better year rather than, as
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 8: you said, feasted against the bad competition. And didn't end
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: up that way. Things are always different in the heat
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 8: of the moment. And then you can look back as
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 8: you get further removed from stuff. So that's where it's
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 8: really tough. As you mentioned, this is what van is
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: saying now, but if we could go back in that time,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: in that moment, most college football players, especially with just
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 8: the dedication and everything it takes to get out onto
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 8: the field, they want to play every opportunity they can,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 8: especially if it means helping their brothers win a game.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: It's a, it's a bad look for an individual and
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: it's totally understandable. I said this in the first segment
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: of the show, when I was a walk-on at the
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: university of Utah, who felt like he was getting the
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: sour end of every stick, right? If you come to
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: me two years later as a reporter from the Salt
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Lake Tribune, is Kyle Whittingham a good coach? Does he
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: treat his players fairly? I'd have been like, no. And
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: here's 12 examples why my sorry, walk on ass wasn't
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: treated properly. You know what I mean? I was disgruntled
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: when I left the program because I thought I should
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: have been given a better opportunity than I ever got
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: or that I ever earned in the eyes of the coaches.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: I have since come to grips with the reality that like,
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen because I didn't do things
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: the way that I should have in order to maximize
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: those opportunities.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: But you have regrets. You look back on it. I
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: think that if we had the same conversation with Jalen
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: Glover and Miki Sukutaraga and Van Fillinger and Michael Pittman,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: all these guys, if we had these conversations with them
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: five years from now, they're going to be a little
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: bit different. If we have them 10 years from now,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: they're going to be a little bit different again right now.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: it's easy for those guys to look back and say, yeah,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: I got screwed by a coaching staff who told me
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: I needed to play while I was hurt. Dude, you
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: have four years to play college football. If you're not
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: out there on the field, you're not playing college football.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: And when you're working in a warehouse somewhere, or you're
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: sitting at a cubicle in an office and you're going like, Oh,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: that was pretty cool. When I had a play on
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: a broken ankle, but I just I heard 50,000 fans
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: cheering my name. I just, I don't know. It, the
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: whole thing bothers me that again, you and I should
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: be sitting here six days away from the games, kicking off,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: talking about our expectations for this number for that number.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: What does the Idaho game actually look like? And instead
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: we're revising history and figuring out whether or not the
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: coaching staff was too mean to the players.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: It's dumb. It is, and like you said, it's unfortunate.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, heck, Idaho actually plays tonight, by the way.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 8: Idaho plays tonight, so it was actually Utah's opponent is
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 8: in action tonight, and obviously there's a lot, as you mentioned, too,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 8: you could get into and talk about this Utah team,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 8: but instead we're focusing on disgruntled players, most of whom,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, actually almost everyone is named in this article,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 8: with the exception of maybe Van, didn't make a major
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 8: impact at Utah, I'd say.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, Mickey was okay at defensive end.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 8: That was one of the rare examples of them moving
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 8: into tight end. Usually when they change guys' positions, that works.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 8: Didn't work perfectly in Mickey's case, too, so really unfortunate
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 8: how this all ended up, and Yeah, we're almost there
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 8: to game, so then we can start focusing on that stuff.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 8: But very interesting timing on all this. Let's prognosticate a
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 8: little bit. Like you said, Idaho is in action tonight. Look,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to ask you, does Utah win this game?
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 8: They better damn well win the game.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: But when we have a conversation next Friday, what is
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: a success for Morgan Scali's first regular season game as
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: a head coach? What is going to be an indicator
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: of good health for this program based on a result
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: against Idaho?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Utah won against Cal Poly 63-9, so you get
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 8: another Big Sky opponent coming into your house this year.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 8: I think you have to hold them under 20 points.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 8: I think anything more than that's a disappointment. And honestly,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 8: I think any first-half touchdowns you could even argue are
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 8: maybe a disappointment, barring one wild and crazy play. I
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 8: think Utah, honestly, a big success is probably a 50-point
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 8: win for them. Idaho won four total games last year,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 8: only two of those coming against Big Sky opponents. And
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 8: they second year the head coach. So I think they'll
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 8: be a little better. I like their quarterback at the
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 8: FCS level. They have solid FCS linebackers. But what did
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 8: I just say? FCS level. This is powerful for a reason.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 8: I think Utah should win this one big. I think
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 8: a successful game for the Utes in this one should
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 8: be a 50 point win. I don't I think we
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 8: should see Brandon Rose in this game.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: That's a success to me. If Brandon Rose gets in
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: OK, I like that, actually. It would be nice to
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: see Brandon Rose back out there. You know, he's got
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: a live arm.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 5: It's fun.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: I want five different players to score touchdowns against that.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: That happens for sure. It's got it, right?
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 8: I mean, way Sean got in last year, Bert Ficklin
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 8: had some big plays last year, damp here. I'd be
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 8: shocked if it, we didn't have, I said, Utah should
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 8: absolutely hit 50 in this game to me. I think
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 8: they're that talented and we should be feeling great about
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 8: all the questions, the offensive line, defensive line, everything should
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 8: be awesome for Utah for this game.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: That's a success.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: Utah insiders brought to you by mountain home services. Do
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: you have any grievances you want to air? Because we're
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: going to take a break. We're going to go back.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: We're going to air grievances.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 8: Hearing grievances right now. I mean, honestly, I'm, I'm fired
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 8: up to be in studio with you. Glad we got
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: Utah football next week. And I'm actually a little bummed.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: This is our last week. Zero next year, the college
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 8: football season. all kicks off week one, all the games
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 8: at the same time. I kind of like the week
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 8: zero thing. I know we will always want a little
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 8: better matchups, but I think it's kind of fun. Like
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 8: the Dublin game next year is just kind of buried
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 8: amidst the week one slate. I wish they'd move week
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 8: zero back and have it be kind of this thing
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 8: where we get our taste of a little bit of
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 8: football rather than it all just coming at once in
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 8: full bore.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 5: So tiny grievance there.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: I actually think the scheduling thing is going to be
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: up in the air sooner than later because if we
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: expand the college football playoff and the coaches get their way,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: They want the playoff to begin like conference championship week.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: And that would potentially push week zero to being week one.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: And maybe what we call week minus one right now
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: would be week zero, whatever. We might start college football
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: in mid August. If these coaches get the schedule that
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: they want. So we'll stay on top of all of it. JT,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: thanks for coming in studio.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 5: Great being here.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: That's JT Wister. So check him out at Utes authority,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: the locked on Utes podcast. Airing of grievances is next, 877-353-0700.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: Get it off your chest. Tell me what's on your mind,
• 2:04:21
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• 2:04:25
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• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of
• 2:04:35
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• 2:04:37
  Speaker 5: The tradition of Festivus begins with the airing of grievances.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: I got a lot of problems with.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: You people. You're going to hear about them.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: 877-353-0700.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: The time for airing of grievances is now right here
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: on Utah's number one sports talk. I got a lot
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: of problems with you people. So we found out that
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: one of our favorite Utah jazz beat writer, Sarah Todd
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: has passed through the, the crucible of a layoff in
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: sports media. This is just, unfortunately everyone who's worked in
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: the business for any amount of time has experienced this.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: They downsize, they lay off, they restructure, you know, I've
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: had four shows canceled now and, You just hope that
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: there's greener grass on the other side. Sarah Todd was
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: really good to us. Sarah Todd, we had a great
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: time talking Utah Jazz with her. I will say this.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: My grievance is not even with a business having to
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: conduct layoffs because I know that's just part of things sometimes,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: and that would be the easiest grievance to air here.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: My grievance is, and I'm very serious about this part,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: There are people, and online is a place where we
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: all show the worst version of ourselves sometimes, but there
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: are people celebrating an individual who has a family losing
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: their job. My grievance is with you. 877-353-0700. If you
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: hate my radio show, don't listen to it. Don't celebrate
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: if I ever lose this job, though. I got mouths
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: to feed. I got a family. You got a family.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: I will never celebrate anybody losing their job and being
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: put on the unemployment line and trying to figure out
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: if they should apply for unemployment insurance or can I
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: land on my feet? Can I stay in this field
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: or can I not stay in this field? I'm questioning
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: whether my work was ever good in the first place.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: If you've ever been laid off or fired, you know
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: it's a terrible experience, right? If you don't like the
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: way that Sarah Todd covers something, don't read her stuff.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: Move on with your life. If you don't like the
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: way that Jason, but tacky I was writing articles about,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: about the Utah football team right now. Just don't re
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: don't click on his articles. Don't root for someone to
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: lose their job ever, ever, ever. That is bad karma
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: for you and everyone in your bloodline, man. Don't do that.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: I was First of all, I mean, you can't keep
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: everybody happy. So when inevitably this show gets canceled, I
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: don't know when it'll happen. Hopefully not anytime soon. There
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: will be people that are like, oh, good riddance. He
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: sucked anyway. Grievance preemptively. Don't root for people to lose
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: their jobs. Don't celebrate when people do lose their jobs.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: It is an awful thing to be a grown adult
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: and you're making money and you got health insurance and
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: you're feeling good. And then you don't. You don't have that.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: That sucks, man.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: 877-353-0700.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: Air your own grievances. on the Sean O'Connell show. Andrew,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: it's your first time on the airing of grievances. Do
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: you have any particular grievances you'd like to air?
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: Well, so is this, is this sports grievances or just life?
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: Any life, any life grievance, anything you want. That's the
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: beauty of the airing of grievances. You can just throw
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: it against the wall and see if it sticks. I
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: have a grievance. This might be a weird one, but
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: I have a one-month-old kid. Congratulations.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: Boy or girl? He's a boy.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: He's awesome. Best thing that ever happened.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: It's the best thing in the world.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: Quite literally couldn't be happier. My grievance comes with diapers.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 4: And it's not with changing the diapers. It's with the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: diaper themselves.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: The transition from the newborn diaper to the.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: The size one diaper, that is my grievance because he's
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: too big around his belly for the newborn.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: So whenever he poops, it blows up the top.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: If he wears that newborn.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 4: But his legs don't quite fill in the spot on
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: the size one.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 5: So now it comes out the way now it comes
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 5: out the other side. In fact, driving up, we, my.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: Wife was being picked up by her mom and she
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: brought the baby and, and they, So we drove up
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: to the studio.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 5: We parked.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: Her mom came, got her kid, just completely blew out
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 4: in the car. And we're just like, we're like, you
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: got to get bigger legs, kid. But my grievance is,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: how is there not going to get that baby doing
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: some squats? How do we not have diapers that fit
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: the belly and the legs?
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 5: That's my grievance. It's a great grievance, Andrew.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a phenomenal grievance because every parent has experiences.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: It is like the blowout is just the least convenient,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: most disgusting, terrible thing. You got to have two extra outfits.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: Anytime you leave the house with an infant because of that.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: And you're right.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 5: The big diaper.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: All right. The big diaper corporations. They're not helping you. No,
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: you know, it's, you know, it's crazy. As your kids
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: get older, you'll find that like, They get big. They
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: get to a certain point where it's just like, okay,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: this diaper doesn't even hold all the pee. If they
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: do like a normal amount of pee, it's like overloads
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: the absorbency of the diaper. Like, what are we doing here?
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, diaper company's grievance against you. I'll echo that
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, 100%.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: All right. That's a great grievance. I think I have
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: a fix, though, for you. Go super old school. Cloth diapers.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 5: Let's see it.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 4: I'm, I'm, I quite, does that actually like, is that
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: actually a good move? Cause then you have to wash
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: the diaper.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 5: It's probably not. It's disgusting. Like cloth diapers.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Obviously like your parents probably wore cloth diapers when they
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: were kids.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: Probably.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Your parents are probably pretty young.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: Well, no.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: So I'm the, I'm the seventh kid.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: You're the seventh kid?
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 5: Out of nine. So like my, my dad's in his sixties.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 5: You got nine kids in your family? Yeah. Seven boys,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 5: two girls.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. I love a big family story. Nine kids
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: is big. Even for Utah, that's a big family.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: So my parents are actually like, my dad's technically a
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 4: baby boomer.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: He's in his 60s.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So yeah, your parents wore cloth diapers when
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: they were kids. So talk to your grandparents or talk
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: to your dad's older siblings and see if they ever
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: had to change a cloth diaper. See if that fixes
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: your problem.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: My parents are just cheap. And they passed that on
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: to me. Uh, my youngest brother is now, well, he's
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: nine years younger than me. So he's, he's 33. Okay.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: And when he was little for like a two week period,
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: my parents were just like, ah, these diapers are too expensive.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: We're going cloth diapers. And we had cloth diapers and
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: safety pins because I guess that's what something that existed
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: back then. And for like two weeks, my youngest brother,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: I was nine years old helping my parents change diapers
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: and they were cloth diapers.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 5: That's horrific.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: So disgusting. So maybe don't actually do that. 877-353-0700. Sam
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: says previous grievance update. Door-to-door salesman, different person this time,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: stops by and tells me, They noticed it looks like
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: I had the original siding on the house.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: Me.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're a noticer. Did you happen to notice the
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: sign points at the prominently displayed? No soliciting sign. The
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: salesman admitted they did see it, but they were not
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: selling anything. Just giving me some information. I laughed at
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 2: him and closed the door. My point being, you have
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: been warned that I don't want to be disturbed in
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: my own home. If you ignore it, I can turn hassle.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: I can intern hassle you back. Correct, Sam.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: If you have a no soliciting sign, you are telling
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: anyone who's knocking on your door to give you information
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: that you didn't ask for to sell you something you
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: didn't ask for, that they should expect a frosty, dare
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: I say, even a hostile reception. If you have no
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: soliciting on there, that is like, it's like beware of dog.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: If there's a beware of dog sign on the fence
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: and I hop the fence and the dog bites me,
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: it's my fault.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: If there's no.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: Soliciting on the window or on the door and I
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: knock on the door and you're rude to me or
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: you insult me or you close the door in my face,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: that's on me. You got the warning. Don't ignore the
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: warning signs. That's what a no soliciting sign is. And
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: I know that there are a lot of door-to-door salespeople
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Here in Utah, so they're like probably mixed reactions to this,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: but the no soliciting sign is the polite way for
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: us who don't want to be solicited to tell you to,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: you know, skedaddle. Get on your way. All right. Jordan
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: on the text line airing this grievance. Stickers or labels
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: that are supposed to be temporary, but for some reason
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: it requires rubbing alcohol or a razor blade to get off. Absolutely, yes.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: Every time I try to get the sticker off my
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: windshield for my oil change replacement.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: That one they make hard because they don't want it
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: to come off. You're trying to get it off because
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: they always put it up in the corner and it
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: distracts you or whatever. They want you to notice it.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: But my car tells me.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: Like, it has the mile countdown to when I need
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: that oil change.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 9: See?
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: Those stickers have become, they're rendered obsolete by newer cars
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: because they count you down to your oil change. And
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: they tell you, my car right now is on, like,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: minus 63 days from an oil change. I need an
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: oil change. This one, multiple grievances. People filming themselves eating
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: or commercials of people eating makes me want to eat
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: that particular thing even less. Okay, is this true? Even
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: with like the old Carl's Jr. burger commercials that featured
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: like very attractive women eating those burgers?
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: I think it works for if it's a professional commercial,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 4: but if it's like the Instagram reel of that random influence, no,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: I can't do that.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: My problem with the Instagram influencer like eating a meal
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: is they all have the same reaction. I don't believe
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: it anymore, right? Because what they do is they take
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: a bite of whatever thing it is, like the crumble
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: cookie or the the amazing bite of ramen or something,
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: and every single one of them does this thing that goes,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh. They close their eyes and act like
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: they're having some out-of-body experience. I don't believe you. I
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: don't believe you anymore. I've been watching this on the
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: Travel Channel for 20 years now. You all react the
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: same way.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 4: Especially when it's the same person reacting the same way
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: every time.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 5: Terrible.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what?
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 5: Guy Fieri is.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: trash shows, but he doesn't react the same way every
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: time he takes a bite. So we believe him still.
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 2: What we can't believe is that he's still wearing those clothes,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: but we believe his reaction to the food infants that
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: cry when they're tired. You can't know Jordan. You cannot
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: air a grievance against the baby. Infants that cry when
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: they're tired. I understand all babies do this. It's the
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: one thing I have no control over. So just fall asleep, please.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's so good.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: You're right. You can't force a baby to fall asleep,
• 2:16:58
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  Speaker 5: Oh, that's so good, Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. That's wonderful. Derek says secondary grievance. I don't
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: care how cheap you are. Reusable cloth diapers are disgusting.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 5: Okay. Fair.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: Okay. Here we are with another grievance. Other bicyclists going
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: too fast or reckless on trails or on roads because
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: then everybody hates bikes. Even if you are being respectful,
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: that's from Spencer.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: Spencer, you're right. The bad actors in the biking world.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: have ruined riding a bike for everyone. We, we had
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: this a couple of weeks ago when I rode my
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: bike into work and I was basically airing a grievance
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: against somebody who was just mean to me for no reason.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: Cause I was on a bike and they were in
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: a minivan. I'm trying to obey the laws. I'm not
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: the guy who's just like, I'm also a car because
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: I'm on a bike on the road. I was like
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: trying to get out of the way and kind of
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But yeah, because there are so
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: many bicyclists who think they're better than the driver, of
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: the car or who act crazy on a trail and
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: ruin it for the hikers or run into somebody's dog
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: because they think they own the place, then all bicyclists
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: get bad reputations. In fact, this kind of factors in
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: for every group that you could ever be put in.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: If you are the bad example of that group and
• 2:18:25
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• 2:18:32
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  Speaker 2: What is your thing, Andrew? What are you? Radio producer? Dad?
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  Speaker 4: I guess the thing everyone comes to talk to me
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• 2:18:51
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to think that all of us sports media
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• 2:19:03
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  Speaker 5: I should be better. I'm sorry, guys.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: So you have to, you have to not ruin my
• 2:19:11
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Spence Checketts, host of The Drive. Andrew's got to turn
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  Speaker 5: Andrew. Hey, buddy. Hi, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew's done a great job today in the stead of
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: James Peterson.
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  Speaker 5: Have I met Andrew before?
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  Speaker 2: You have maybe met him, yes.
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  Speaker 5: We might have passed each other in the hallways. Good
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  Speaker 5: to see you, man.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: Seventh of nine, so bigger family even than the Checketts.
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  Speaker 5: Seventh of nine?
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  Speaker 10: You're the seventh child of nine kids?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 5: Congratulations for making it out alive, dog. Thank you. I'm
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 5: the oldest of six, so I thought we had a
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 5: big family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What's the range? Oldest is how old?
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 4: He's oldest is 35 this year. Youngest is he would
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 4: be 15 or 16.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 10: That's an acceptable range. Nine kids in 20 years. That's acceptable.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 10: I mean, that's chaos. But at one point we had
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 10: five under.
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  Speaker 5: The age of 11.
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  Speaker 6: Holy cow.
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  Speaker 5: You should have seen us traveling.
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  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 5: Everyone hated us so much. Yeah.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 10: Chaos for sure. So look, I've heard a little bit
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 10: tuned in here. They're, Um, to listen, you talk about
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 10: the story and I think there's some complexities that are
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 10: fair to acknowledge, but I feel like the wailing and
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 10: gnashing of teeth are coming from people that just have
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 10: never been in a locker room before. And I'm not
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 10: dismissing anything that, you know, um, probably is fair to
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 10: talk about and look at.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 5: I played for four different coaches. I had high school,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 5: a little bit of college.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 10: And certainly the oldest coach I had was the one
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 10: that didn't have any time for us talking about a
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 10: sprained ankle.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 5: He's like, you're fine. You're going to play.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 10: And then I had some coaches that were probably all the.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 5: Way on one coach.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 10: It was all the way on the other side of
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 10: things where it's like, oh, OK, you know, you're not
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 10: you're in a bad mood.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 5: It's all right.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: You can go home.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 10: So, you know, but the people out there, at least
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 10: that I've seen that are really angry. I don't know
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 10: that you've ever played a sport before, and I don't
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 10: want to be obtuse about this entire thing. On the
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 10: scale of, oh my gosh, and much ado about nothing,
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 10: where are you as somebody who played college football?
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like a half inch away from much ado about nothing.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I figured, yeah.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: And look, this is an opinion-based show. This is a column.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not a journalist, okay? I appreciate the work being
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: done by Jason, but tacky out to try to like,
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: there is something to be talked about with is the
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: communication with the coaching staff and the medical staff above board.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: And is it proper? And is it truly in the
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: best interest of the student athlete, but also as someone who,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, never achieved anything that these guys in the
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 2: article achieved and would have died for the coach to
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: even give a rip, whether you're on the field or not.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 5: I just have a.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: Hard time being sympathetic because if you're, if you feel
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: like you're being mistreated, when you are treated better than
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: every single student on campus, I just don't have a
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: lot of sympathy for you. I don't have like, there's
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: just not a lot of that in me where I
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: can feel bad for college athletes, especially in this like
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: era in this modern era where there's not only scholarships
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: and incredible food but there's also cash money that sets
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: you up in life better than all of your peers
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: and most people that are out of college for ten
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: years ahead.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 10: Of you and you just you brought up a point
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 10: that needs to be underscored because you know the longer
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 10: and longer you do the job and just simply the
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 10: older you get you have to pause for a minute
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 10: and question the motivation When it comes to something like this,
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 10: like why are these players speaking out right now? Why
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 10: does it feel like there are people at the U
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 10: that are fine speaking about Witt now that never would
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 10: have said anything while he was here?
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 5: The answer is obvious, that he's gone. And they feel
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 5: like they're safe to talk about it.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 10: But there was one player that straight up said he
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 10: came back for money and didn't get any of it.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 6: So.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 5: how much of this is setting up.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 10: For a lawsuit where it's like lost wages because I
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 10: was mistreated?
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 5: How much of this comes from players who.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 10: See the players now making hundreds of thousands of dollars
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 10: and are looking at their situation and thinking like, if
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 10: I can create a narrative that money was taken out
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 10: of my pocket, can I hire an attorney?
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 5: I'm just talking about possibilities. I have no idea.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 10: You just have to question what the motivation is, why
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 10: now Why are you coming to the table with this information?
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 10: I mean, the landscape of college athletics is littered with
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 10: guys who have tried to sue schools and the NCAA
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 10: in the name of lost wages because they're seeing how
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 10: much money these guys are making now. And some of
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 10: those court cases have been settled to the tunes of
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 10: millions of dollars.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 5: It's actually worked for some of these players, right? So
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 10: My antennas went up, and the question I had was,
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 10: why are we doing this right now?
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 5: What's the point?
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: For me, I didn't go quite as far down the
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole, and I think that the obvious reason why
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: you're doing this right now is right now it's cool
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: to hate Kyle Whittingham in Salt Lake City. There's a
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 2: lot of people who are mega disgruntled about the exit
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: and what he took with him and the way that
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: things went down and are pointing a lot of fingers
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: at Whittingham and are now calling into question the character
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: that we used to celebrate that was kind of like
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: defining factor of Kyle Whittingham. And, and I think the
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: biggest issue I have with this whole thing is you
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: cannot celebrate and pound your chest for 20 years because
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: you have a hard nose, tough football team, and then
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: moan about six players. And you could find 106, you
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: could find six maybe over the course of that time,
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: that would say some version of what these guys are saying,
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: but you can, you can then not moan about what
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 2: is one of the core tenants of being a hard
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: nose football team. Yeah. You play when you're hurt. You
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: don't complain.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: You just get back out on the field and you
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: do your thing.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: And nobody ever hears about like the Cam rising situation
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: was handled wrong.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. Cam rising didn't tell us for a year how
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: badly he was hurt. When he finally did, it changed
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: the entire expectation of what he should do, what he
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: should have done, how the coaching staff handled it. whether
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: he or not he should have continued to play in
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: that Arizona state game. That was so disastrous. I mean,
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: it changed everything, right? So it's not all perfect. It's
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: not all good, but give me a break. You can't
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: sit here as a Utah football fan, as someone who
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: graduated from the university as a season ticket holder and
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: be like, what I care most about is player safety.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: And are these kids being treated right? No, what you
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: care about most is that you had a respectable football
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: team for the last 21 years. And the guy who
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: is in charge of that and the culture that was
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 2: rooted in his personality sometimes has a downside. And this
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: is that downside.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's well said.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 10: And at the risk of sounding like the old guy
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 10: that's complaining about young people and yelling at a cloud,
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 10: I have a friend who has a beautiful young daughter
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 10: and hadn't seen her in a while. recently caught up
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 10: with him and asked how, how's everything going? And he's like, she,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 10: she stopped going to school. Cause she, and you know,
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 10: she had a bout of some sort of mental something.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 5: Right. And I, I, I want to stop here and
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 5: be very clear about one thing.
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 10: I think the progress that has been made about mental
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 10: health and the conversation around it is vital. And I,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 10: I don't, I'm not saying I want it to stop,
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 10: but if, if we bring it into a snare, like,
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 10: can remember being 15 and 16 and waking up and
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 10: feeling anxious and not wanting to go to school and
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 10: not wanting to go to seminary at 6 a.m. before
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 10: school and feeling like this this sucks and guess what
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 10: my my parents told me you're you're going to school
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 10: so you know if you're sick like legitimately sick don't
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 10: get the other kids sick you stay home but if
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 10: you feel anxious or if you feel nervous and Learning
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 10: to fight through those things when you're young to show
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 10: up to the things that you need to show up
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 10: to do is a really important part of being able
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 10: to develop as a fully formed human. And I think
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 10: lost in the whole mental health is health conversation is
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 10: and I've I've tried to do this with my son
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 10: who battled some things himself in high school. You want
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 10: to be very sensitive to the person and the human
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 10: to make sure they feel taken care of. And then
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 10: you got to go to work. And then you have
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 10: to go to school. And then you have to do
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 10: your homework. And some days that's really, really hard. And
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 10: when you get up and do that, especially in the
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 10: days that it's really, really hard, that builds character. Because
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 10: when you're in your mid-30s with a mortgage and two
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 10: kids and a job, and you wake up one day
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 10: and you say, I don't feel well. Well, okay, are
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 10: you sick? No, I just feel off today. Okay, call
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 10: your boss and tell him you feel off today. And
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 10: so you're just not going to work. Because that's not
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 10: how the world works. And maybe the world is working
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 10: differently than it did when we grew up. But in
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 10: this story, there's a little bit of.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 5: Entitlement, in a way.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: Do you understand what I'm saying? I understand 100% of
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. And again, as someone who tried so
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: hard to live this athlete life... And like, you just,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: you have to go through it. You have to push
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: yourself through and, and nobody ever made me fight. I
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: had people tell my parents never wanted me to do it.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 2: Of course I chose that. And that means I chose
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: to keep training when I was injured. I chose to
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: get knocked out a couple of times, expose myself to
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: a certain amount of risk. I chose indirectly. I chose
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: the fact that I have a 90 year olds lower back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like all of these things.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've come to grips with these choices. If you had
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  Speaker 2: interviewed me, I said this on the show many times.
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  Speaker 2: If you had interviewed me two or three years after
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  Speaker 2: I had transferred away from the university of Utah, and
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: you had asked me whether I was treated fairly there,
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  Speaker 2: I would have told you, I would have given you
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  Speaker 2: 10 examples of how it wasn't right. I think that
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  Speaker 2: part of it is just the maturity of realizing these
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  Speaker 2: are all products of your own choices, Van Fillinger and
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Glover. And these guys, no one made you be
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  Speaker 2: a college football player. You could have walked away at
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  Speaker 2: any time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And if you had made that choice, you would have
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: walked away from the special treatment and the NIL money
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  Speaker 2: and the scholarship and the chef Pete making you every
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 2: single meal and putting you on a diet plan and
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So like if we talk
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  Speaker 2: to these guys in five years or in 10 years,
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  Speaker 2: their reaction to even this is going to be a
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  Speaker 2: lot different than it is today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: It also makes you wonder, because the interesting part about
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  Speaker 10: some of these players is they were part of potentially
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 10: the most successful five-year run of Utah football history with
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 10: two Pac-12 championships and two Rose Bowl appearances. And then
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  Speaker 10: maybe Witt decided that he was just going to let
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 10: everybody who was hurt sit.
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  Speaker 5: And then for two years, he had nobody to play.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, we haven't heard really from many players that
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 10: were involved in the two-year cluster, you know what, where
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 10: they were playing Luke Batari at quarterback and they had,
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  Speaker 10: you know, fourth and fifth string dudes all over the field.
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  Speaker 2: There's a game in six days. We should not be
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  Speaker 2: talking about how players that were hurt three years ago
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  Speaker 2: felt like they were forced into service.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, I just find it. I find it really interesting
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  Speaker 10: that this came out today. And look, if we just
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 10: bottom line this and call it how it is, we
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  Speaker 10: all know that there's no love lost with certain people
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  Speaker 10: that are running the athletic department and the coach at Michigan.
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  Speaker 5: We all know that.
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  Speaker 10: So whether it's we're going to file a lawsuit against
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 10: Freddie or whether it's a, hey, we're fine providing access
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  Speaker 10: so players can spend something negative about Kyle.
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  Speaker 5: It's not that hard to add two plus two here.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone who knows Van Fillinger, text me his number, 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 2: What did you do today? I want to get him
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  Speaker 2: on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because Van Filger, he signed up to ride a bull.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know? I did not know that.
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  Speaker 5: That kid was a beast when he was younger, man.
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  Speaker 5: He was good.
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  Speaker 2: He was a beast when he was older. He was
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: a beast when he played through these injuries. He's a monster.
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  Speaker 2: You look at him now, because I watched his little
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: video of like, hey, I'm going to do this thing
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  Speaker 2: on social media. I'm going to ride this bull. He
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: looked scarier than he did when he was a player.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a really talented young man.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't really sob story about how your body
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: is broken and then go ride a bull voluntarily.
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  Speaker 5: Hard to argue with that.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned for the drive. I'm sure Spence Chickens will
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  Speaker 2: have more on this. ESPN 700, 92 on FM.