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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Sinstein Rasmus in a UK column. I am
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  Speaker 1: also a member of the Common Knowledge Edinburgh Executive Committee.
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  Speaker 1: On the thirteenth of June twenty twenty sixth Kammonela Jenburh
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  Speaker 1: was honored to host a conference that took place both
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  Speaker 1: online and in person called Jeffrey Epstein, How Deep and
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  Speaker 1: Why Does It Go? We featured two highly knowledgeable journalists
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  Speaker 1: on this topic, Sonya Polton and Kirby Summers. Kamonel Jenbra
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  Speaker 1: was founded to bring people's attention to truths that the
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  Speaker 1: mainstream media and other institutions were either ignoring or concealing.
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  Speaker 1: Areas that Commonology Enbra have covered include health, politics, criminal activities,
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  Speaker 1: and other conspiracies. The Jeffrey Epstein Conspiracy is one of
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  Speaker 1: the largest conspiracies that has come to the attention of
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  Speaker 1: the public. Since twenty twenty, Epstein has gained recognition as
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  Speaker 1: a genuine conspiracy and has entered our culture as a
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  Speaker 1: motif of how power and corruption operate in the world.
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  Speaker 1: If we rely on the mainstream media, large parts of
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein conspiracy remain unreported. Sonia Polton used little introduction.
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  Speaker 1: She has long been a public figure who has mind
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  Speaker 1: the hidden narratives and their authors to influence the world,
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  Speaker 1: whether as a print journalist, a documentary filmmaker, or a
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  Speaker 1: YouTube broadcaster. On her popular channel hip with Sonya Bolden,
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  Speaker 1: her work has brought new understanding to many of us,
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  Speaker 1: particularly her work on the Madeleine McCann case and Diddy.
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  Speaker 1: Sonya introduced her interest in the Epstein case, explained the
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  Speaker 1: background and some of the details that she has uncovered
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  Speaker 1: in Part one of this conference. In Part two, our
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  Speaker 1: other guest, acclaimed author and investigative reporter, Kirby Summers, gave
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  Speaker 1: her talk. She has authored twenty four books. She is
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  Speaker 1: a survivor of the cabal to which Jeffrey Epstein belonged,
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  Speaker 1: not of Epstein himself, but another member of this long
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  Speaker 1: running ring. She writes a top ten best selling Substack
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  Speaker 1: newsletter and he podcast. Her works include a memoir called
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  Speaker 1: The Billionaires Woman, Jeffrey Epstein, Predator, Spy Julane Maxwell, an
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  Speaker 1: unauthorized biography, and others. These can be found on her
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  Speaker 1: website Kirby Summers dot com. We hope that the audience
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  Speaker 1: will learn from the important information these two fearless journalists
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  Speaker 1: shared at this conference just how much, how deep and
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  Speaker 1: how wide the Epstein conspiracy goes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Sonya, you're very well known to all of us.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps we can just dive in and you could explain
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  Speaker 3: your interest in the case and then start to fill
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  Speaker 3: us out on the background and the details, and we'll
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  Speaker 3: just begin from there.
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  Speaker 4: Hello to you all. I'm sorry I can't be there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure some of you know, certainly Zoe, I can
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  Speaker 4: see in the audience knows that Edinburgh is one of
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  Speaker 4: my favorite cities in the world. And I'm not just
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  Speaker 4: saying that to make you feel good. I love Edinburgh's
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  Speaker 4: a wonderful city. You've always been so well coming to me,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm very grateful to be part of this. And
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  Speaker 4: also hello to people around the world who will be
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  Speaker 4: tuning in or watching on playback. So yes, as Matthew said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm an investigative journalist. I'm very interested in the corruption
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  Speaker 4: within the establishment, how it works, how it functions, how
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  Speaker 4: they enable each other. And I have to say immediately
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  Speaker 4: for Clean Hands, I was late covering Jeffrey Epstein. I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was a uniquely American operation and that primarily
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  Speaker 4: I was so focused on uncovering corruption within the British establishment.
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  Speaker 4: To do with royalty, to do with politicians, until I
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  Speaker 4: got to the point when I realized actually all crossed over.
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  Speaker 4: But it took me a long while to realize that.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the first time that I sort of
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  Speaker 4: actively acknowledged something about Jeffrey Epstein was around twenty ten,
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  Speaker 4: and that was when I first saw a picture of
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  Speaker 4: then Prince Andrew. Obviously he's now had those titles removed
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  Speaker 4: from him, but then Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein they
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  Speaker 4: were caught by a photographer walking through Central Park. And
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  Speaker 4: this was interesting because this was after Jeffrey Epstein's conviction
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  Speaker 4: after a sweetheart deal, and so that in itself was
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  Speaker 4: really curious to me. And one of the reasons it
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  Speaker 4: was curious to me is I have a lifelong dislike
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  Speaker 4: of royalty. I think that we absolutely should abolish the monarchy,
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  Speaker 4: and I've never hidden that. So the moment that I
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  Speaker 4: saw this man with Andrew, I was like, what's that
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  Speaker 4: all about?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Who is he and why is he walking with Andrew
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  Speaker 4: in the park? And I was actually shocked what I
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  Speaker 4: was then to discover. And the more I started to
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  Speaker 4: look into Epstein's background, the more I realized that This
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  Speaker 4: was not an ordinary money man. And the question that
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  Speaker 4: kept arising for me was what was it about Jeffrey
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  Speaker 4: Epstein that seemed to attract the attention of royalty, of politicians,
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  Speaker 4: of billionaires and more. So I started to dig into it,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that it's always useful to go back
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  Speaker 4: to the beginning. Where does that person come from? What
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  Speaker 4: could have been the influence is working on them? So
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  Speaker 4: I discovered that Epstein was born in Brooklyn, New York,
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  Speaker 4: in January nineteen fifty three. His parents, Pauline and Seymour Epstein,
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  Speaker 4: were Jewish. Pauline worked as a school aid, Seymour worked
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  Speaker 4: as a grounds keeper and a gardener. So he was
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  Speaker 4: working his way up the ranks with these quite powerful,
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  Speaker 4: very wealthy men, and it was like, what was it
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  Speaker 4: that attracted them to Jeffrey Epstein. So then another man
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  Speaker 4: who has become incredibly prominent in his life and significant
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  Speaker 4: was Leslie Wexner. Now Leslie Wexner is somebody who's kind
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  Speaker 4: of been on my radar for a long time, and
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  Speaker 4: not least because he was involved with Victoria's secrets. And
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  Speaker 4: Victoria's secrets I'd always had a problem with because it
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  Speaker 4: seemed that these were really, really kind of infantalized women
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  Speaker 4: with almost childlike bodies that were dressed up in very
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  Speaker 4: childish clothes, and I just always found that quite interesting.
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  Speaker 4: They reminded me of the brat styles. So all the
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  Speaker 4: time there were all these sort of flags going off
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  Speaker 4: in my mind that something was a little bit awry.
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  Speaker 4: And then I discovered that Wexner had given power of
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  Speaker 4: attorney to Epstein. I think it was around nineteen ninety one,
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  Speaker 4: and the power of attorney was astonishing because it gave
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  Speaker 4: authority to Epstein over Wexner's private affairs, authorizing Epstein to
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  Speaker 4: sign tax returns, higher staff, borrow money by or sell
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  Speaker 4: assets on Wexner's behalf, and without any direct oversight. And
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  Speaker 4: I thought that's really curious stuff. So then over the
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  Speaker 4: intervening years and the men did fall out following Epstein's
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  Speaker 4: first indictment or indictment rather and but again I kept
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  Speaker 4: coming back to the question, what was it about Epstein
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  Speaker 4: that attracted these powerful, wealthy men. And one of the
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  Speaker 4: things that I realized about Epstein in my research was
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  Speaker 4: that he was clearly a social climber. He liked the
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  Speaker 4: idea of high society and in many respects, none more
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  Speaker 4: so than English high society. And he became friends with
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  Speaker 4: Glen Maxwell. And Glen Maxwell had met Epstein through her
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  Speaker 4: very crooked father, Robert, who was friends and acquaintances with Epstein.
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  Speaker 4: And Robert Maxwell, of course, a spy of fraud and
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  Speaker 4: media boss, died, we were told, in a boating accident
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  Speaker 4: on his yacht, the Lady Glen named after Glen in
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  Speaker 4: November nineteen ninety one. And shortly after Robert Maxwell's death,
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  Speaker 4: we also heard that four hundred and I think it
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  Speaker 4: was four hundred and sixty pounds was missing from his businesses,
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  Speaker 4: pension funds, and he was Mirror Group newspapers, so quite
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  Speaker 4: clear that Glen had come from, you know, quite a
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  Speaker 4: dark background. These were very deeply unpleasant and dark people.
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  Speaker 4: And Glen Maxwell was known on the London scene as
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  Speaker 4: a sort of high society party girl. She was friends
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  Speaker 4: with royalty, she was friends with politicians, even presidents, and
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  Speaker 4: she brought some very interesting contacts into Epstein's life and
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  Speaker 4: was his opening really to entrancing many well connected people
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  Speaker 4: and supplying them with young girls and more. And during
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  Speaker 4: all of this I was just like, once I started
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  Speaker 4: to look into Epstein, So I think I seriously started
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  Speaker 4: to look into Epstein around twenty eighteen. I put out
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  Speaker 4: my documentary Pedophiles in Parliament in twenty eighteen, but it
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  Speaker 4: was very focused on the last forty years of allegations
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  Speaker 4: within the British establishment, and that included royalty, and that
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  Speaker 4: included politicians, and I was always so angry that so
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  Speaker 4: very little had been done, and yet in the UK
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  Speaker 4: the police had arrested one seventies entertainer after another, and
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  Speaker 4: yet was getting absolutely nowhere near the power of politicians
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  Speaker 4: or royalties. And we've actually seen, haven't we over the
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  Speaker 4: last few years. I think anybody now who doesn't realize
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  Speaker 4: what's going on, it has to be through choice, because
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  Speaker 4: we've seen clearly that the royal family have been surrounded
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  Speaker 4: by pedophiles for a very very long time. Charles from
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  Speaker 4: birth and you know, still is to a degree, and
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  Speaker 4: we've seen him, you know, protect his pedophile friends, like
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  Speaker 4: he did at the child abuse inquiry when he wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: go and give a testimony, but he sent in a
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  Speaker 4: letter that wouldn't then need to be questioned, and that
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  Speaker 4: was about his relationship with a pedophile. What am I
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  Speaker 4: looking for a church Man, what am I looking for?
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  Speaker 4: But you know what I mean? A pedo file priest,
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  Speaker 4: that's exactly kel. I'm not religious or I can't even
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  Speaker 4: find the terminology for it. So it was all starting
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  Speaker 4: to make sense. But I just felt that there was
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  Speaker 4: a real gap in my knowledge, and that gap was
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  Speaker 4: clearly to do with Epstein and all the stuff that
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  Speaker 4: had his involvement and his mark over it in terms
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  Speaker 4: of the UK, And so again I started to delve
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  Speaker 4: more and more into it and what was really going on.
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  Speaker 4: And we heard so much about Epstein's Little Black Book
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  Speaker 4: as one example, which was chock full of famous names. Now,
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  Speaker 4: like the Epstein Files that have been released in a
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  Speaker 4: kind of stuttering rate over the last year or so,
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  Speaker 4: just because somebody was in his book didn't automatically guarantee
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  Speaker 4: that they were a predator or a pedophile or any
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  Speaker 4: of those six. But there were lots of interesting people
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  Speaker 4: in his book. Obviously it was extensive. Actually, it was
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  Speaker 4: a real insight into his network, whether they were involved
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  Speaker 4: in trafficking or not. And his network was extensive. It
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  Speaker 4: went across from presidents like Bill Clinton and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: to actors like Bill Cosby and Woody Allen and then
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  Speaker 4: Britt's you know, businessmen like Richard Branson and royalty like
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  Speaker 4: Prince Andrew and Moore. And I was like wow. And
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  Speaker 4: the more that I delved into it, the more I
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  Speaker 4: was like, how have we all missed this? And I
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  Speaker 4: don't mean we've all missed this, because clearly there were
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  Speaker 4: there were survivors, there were trafficked women, there were activists
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  Speaker 4: who had been fighting for a very long time. And
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  Speaker 4: then when you start to delve deeper, you realize the
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  Speaker 4: pressures that were emanating in the States to keep this
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  Speaker 4: as undercover as humanly possible so that the dots couldn't
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  Speaker 4: be joined. Then we heard about Epstein's Island, Little Saint
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  Speaker 4: James's Island in the Virgin Isles, said to be a
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  Speaker 4: regular escape for many successful people, said also to include
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  Speaker 4: miners who were trafficked there, rituals that took place there
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  Speaker 4: and via his airplane, which be came known, I think
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  Speaker 4: quite crudely as the Low Leader Express. And there have
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  Speaker 4: been numerous famous people who went to that island, famously
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  Speaker 4: Elon Musk, who yesterday was announced to be the world's
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  Speaker 4: first trillionaire. Don't know how you can have a trillionaire. Well,
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  Speaker 4: there are many, many, many starving people in this world.
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  Speaker 4: But that's a conversation for another time. But Elon Musk
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  Speaker 4: famously sent Jeffrey Epstein an email on the morning of
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  Speaker 4: Christmas Day and he wanted to go on to the island.
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  Speaker 4: But Elon Musk had come out prior to that being released,
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  Speaker 4: and he was like, you know, he wanted me to
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  Speaker 4: come to his island and I never wanted to. And
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  Speaker 4: then we see what is essentially appears to be something
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  Speaker 4: of a begging letter. So you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these people they try to they behaved in one way,
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  Speaker 4: but tried to convince us that other it was another
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  Speaker 4: situation and that wasn't the case. And some of these
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  Speaker 4: people associated with Epstein are still in power, probably most
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  Speaker 4: famously as Donald Trump, and there were very long term
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  Speaker 4: rumors around them. They were friends for at least a decade.
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  Speaker 4: Trump has done everything he can to distance himself from
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  Speaker 4: Epstein over the last few years. But you know what,
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  Speaker 4: for victims and survivors, it always seemed like Epstein was
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  Speaker 4: a lucky man. He somehow seemed like just to fly
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  Speaker 4: under the radar enough that he wouldn't be imprisoned and
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  Speaker 4: none more so than two thousand and five, he was
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  Speaker 4: charged with unlawful activity with four miners, and suddenly the
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  Speaker 4: investigation was removed from them assigned to a grand jury.
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  Speaker 4: They came back with an indictment charging him with one
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  Speaker 4: count of adult solicitation, and despite efforts of the local police,
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  Speaker 4: which was the Palm Beach Police Department. And that was
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  Speaker 4: one of Epstein's properties, because he had properties all over
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  Speaker 4: the world, not just the island, but the ranch in
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  Speaker 4: New Mexico and his New York townhouse, and he also
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  Speaker 4: had his property in Palm Beach. So the Department of
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  Speaker 4: Justice in the US had a list of I believe
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  Speaker 4: it was thirty two victims. But this resulted in what
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  Speaker 4: became known as a sweetheart deal, and which was cut
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  Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight. And we were told that
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  Speaker 4: he had eighteen months in county jail, which he served
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  Speaker 4: thirteen months, And that was what we were officially told.
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  Speaker 4: And it's really important to understand that. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: that people listening to this are savvy enough to understand
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  Speaker 4: that what we are told and what is reality are
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  Speaker 4: often two very different things. We simply don't know the truth.
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  Speaker 4: Oftentimes they will feed us a narrative and that will
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  Speaker 4: get backed up by their oligarch friends in mainstream media,
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  Speaker 4: and that's it, and that goes down as this is
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  Speaker 4: what happened. This is history, and my job is to
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  Speaker 4: do as much as I humanly can to cut through it.
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  Speaker 4: Which is why I'm absolutely delighted today that Kirby Summers
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  Speaker 4: is going to be joining us, because while I can
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  Speaker 4: tell you my exploration into the more kind of journalistic,
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  Speaker 4: factual side of what's going on, Kirby has a intimate
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  Speaker 4: understanding that I simply don't have. It's when you're an
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  Speaker 4: outsider like me, it's possible to penetrate that stuff. You
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  Speaker 4: can talk to the people involved, you can do massive
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  Speaker 4: amounts of research, you can do all of these things,
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  Speaker 4: but nothing beats actually knowing what goes on inside. Which
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  Speaker 4: is absolutely why I'm so delighted that Kirby agreed to
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  Speaker 4: join us today. So because it is my feeling, it
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  Speaker 4: is my sense, it is my understanding that the full
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  Speaker 4: story is yet to be told. We've been fed, you know,
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  Speaker 4: something of a gatekeeping operation of a story, but there's
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  Speaker 4: so much more to it. Anyway, just to go back
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  Speaker 4: to that sweetheart deal, because it's really important. What happened
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  Speaker 4: was the Department of Justice and Epstein they colluded on
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  Speaker 4: a deal, a sort of non prosecution agreement for him
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  Speaker 4: pleading guilty providing compensation to victims. And one of the
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  Speaker 4: lawyers involved was Alan Dershovitz, and Donald Trump would later
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  Speaker 4: enlist Alan. I just say anal Drshavitz. That would be
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  Speaker 4: a very interesting Freudian slip, wouldn't it. Anyway? Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: was later to enlist Alan Dershavitz to be part of
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  Speaker 4: his legal counsel during impeachment proceedings. So this is a
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  Speaker 4: very small circle of people. And Virginia Jiffray probably the
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  Speaker 4: most famous Epstein trafficked victim, and Kirby knew her personally,
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  Speaker 4: had alleged originally that Alan Dershovitz was a participant in
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  Speaker 4: Epstein's sex trafficking operation. Virginia alleged that Drshevitz was very
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  Speaker 4: much part of that, that she'd had sex with him,
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  Speaker 4: and she also made similar allegations in court filings as well,
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  Speaker 4: and Drshavitz repeatedly denied the allegations. Countersued Virginia Giffray and
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  Speaker 4: Virginia and Alan Dershovitz eventually settled, Virginia retracted what she
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  Speaker 4: had said. She said she may have been confused a
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  Speaker 4: lot of pressure going on. And most recently, I saw
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  Speaker 4: a British podcaster who had told me that Alan Dershovitz
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  Speaker 4: was guilty, and I saw him interview him like they
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  Speaker 4: were besy mates. And so you can never never tell.
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  Speaker 4: And of course, as I say, Alan Dershowitz has always
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  Speaker 4: been very clear that's not me. I'm not involved, and
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  Speaker 4: so I'm just going I'm going to say that, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to put that out there because it's important to
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  Speaker 4: say that. So essentially, that sweetheart deal allowed Epstein to
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  Speaker 4: carry on trafficking young people for at least another decade
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  Speaker 4: until he was further arrested for trafficking miners. And it
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  Speaker 4: was after that arrest that we were then told that
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  Speaker 4: he killed himself. And I mean, I don't I've yet
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  Speaker 4: to meet anybody who's knowledgeable who truly believes that Jeffrey
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  Speaker 4: Epstein killed himself. That seems vaguely fascical to me. But
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  Speaker 4: the details of it were that we are expected to believe.
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  Speaker 4: He was said to have died in his prison cell
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  Speaker 4: at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York on August tenth,
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  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, and the guards on duty were later charged
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  Speaker 4: with multiple counts of falsifying records actually give you some insight.
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  Speaker 4: There were numerous issues, including the camera not working, and
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  Speaker 4: then what they did last year when Trump got back
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  Speaker 4: into power in January twenty twenty five, and the big
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  Speaker 4: build up to this. The whole thing was, you know, Margat,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to release the files. We're going to blast
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  Speaker 4: open the whole story. Oh how I laughed. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: but I not laugh in a humorous way because this
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  Speaker 4: obviously involves horrible, horrible, dark happenings, but laugh in an
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  Speaker 4: ironic way that I never thought for a second that
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  Speaker 4: it was going to be what they were promising. But
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  Speaker 4: I digress. So what happened was last year the Department
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  Speaker 4: of Justice, they kept giving us piecemeal information and they
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  Speaker 4: released a video and they put out a doctored jail video.
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  Speaker 4: Really important to note that, and in it we see
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  Speaker 4: Epstein apparently being escorted to his cell at around seven
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  Speaker 4: forty nine pm on August ninth, and guard took him there,
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  Speaker 4: and for the remainder of the night, the only recorded
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  Speaker 4: activity near the cell was a guard scene walking toward
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  Speaker 4: it around ten thirty nine pm, and that was followed
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  Speaker 4: by another appearance on camera around ten forty one pm.
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  Speaker 4: But there was missing minutes from the video, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: people are wise to that sort of stuff now. And
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  Speaker 4: I also thought it was interesting when we heard what
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  Speaker 4: was apparently Epstein's last communication. So he was in communication
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  Speaker 4: with the journalist Michael Wolf, and Michael Wolf has recently
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  Speaker 4: been involved in a lawsuit with Milannia Milania Trump, but
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  Speaker 4: judge dismissed it. Michael wolfe journalist, and he'd been communicating
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  Speaker 4: with Epstein, and it is largely believed, whether it's true
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  Speaker 4: or not, that Michael Wolf probably had the last communication
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: with Epstein, and Epstein's last words to Michael Wolf were
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Michael Wolf was like essentially you know you okay, everything
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: all right? And Epstein's last words were still hanging around.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: And then we are told that he then hung himself
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: and then he was found hanging apparently in his Manhattan cell.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: And anybody who knows this stuff knows generally these things
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: aren't coincidental. You get, you know, somebody who's then gone
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: on to apparently hang themselves, and some of their last
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: known words were I'm just, you know, still hanging around.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I think we all can agree that sounds slightly odd.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: So anyway, as a result of Epstein's death or charges
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: against him obviously were dismissed. And you know, not only
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: do I not believe for a second that he killed himself,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: but I think that, you know, I think there is
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: some legitimacy when people question whether he's whether he's dead
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: at all, because when you start to realize, you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: the sheer volume of people involved in this, the whole
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Epstein class, you realize we're talking extraordinarily powerful people. They
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: can do anything. They can make people vanish, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: they can move them somewhere else. He might well be
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: some bathing on a beach in Tel Aviv at this
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: moment in time. I don't know. All I know is
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I'm absolutely certain he didn't kill himself, and neither does
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: his brother. I think he killed himself, But the Department
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: of Justice under Trump, they put out this information that
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: he did absolutely kill himself. And it's honestly, the whole
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Marga thing has really been fascical and actually an insult
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: to our intelligence. And then what happened was glem Maxwell
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: after Epstein's death quote unquote glem Maxwell then was then
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: arrested and indicted, and she was convicted on five sex
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: trafficking related counts in December twenty twenty one. And then
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: there was another predatory associate of Epstein's, Jean Luke Brunew,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: who was arrested by French authorities in twenty twenty later
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: died by suicide. How convenient that these men who were
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: at the center of a trafficking operation and more it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: not just trafficking, a trafficking and more operation suddenly wind
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: up dead. Very convenient. So for me as a journalist,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: that's just it's incredibly murky. This is very very murky stuff.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: And it was clear there was much intervention and probably
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: corruption that was taking place in the background that we
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: didn't know about. And so as I say, Trump's people, Margot,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: they promised much. They were like, you know, you get
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: into what, get Trump back into the White House, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to make sure to release everything.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: And they were all as bad as each other, cash
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Ptail Pambondi, Dan Bong Gino, jd Vance. They were just
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: all absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous people, and they've shown themselves to
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: be ridiculous, not serious people. Not one of them was
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: ever serious about getting to the bottom of what was
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: really happening with Jeffrey Epstein. And that again is why
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I want to say, I'm really glad that Kirby is
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: with us today because the people who've been out there
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: fighting for the most part, have been the survivors, have
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: been women who have been trafficked and have been through
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: this and have been on the front line, and they're
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: the ones who have been fighting this all along. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: that's where a lot of my information came from. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: that was, oh, was the best information, And of course
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I fact checked it and I did due diligence, but
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the best information was coming from the survivors. And the
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: whole Marga thing was an absolute con and it really
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: was a con to keep the Marga base on side.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: And one of the first things they did fasccle absolute fascical.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: They released what they called Phase one, and what you
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: had was a group of I think it was like
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: fifteen influencers Margat influencers, and they visited the White House
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: in February twenty twenty five. They emerged with binders labeled
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: the Epstein Files Phase one and they'd obtain that from
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Pam Bondy, and PAMBONDI should be really ashamed of her
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: very brief stint as the attorney general. And because it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: really pathetic. These people claimed to be anti establishment and
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: then nothing of the sort. They talked about draining the swamp.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: But they are the swamp. And that doesn't mean that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the people before them weren't the swamp as well. No, absolutely,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: they all were. And some people were like, well, if
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Trump's that bad, why did he release the Epstein files.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: He didn't want to release the Epstein files. And people
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: are like, why didn't Biden release him? Why didn't you
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: know Clinton or any of them? Well, because they're implicated,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: and Biden was implicated by dint of in many respects
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the people in his party. Bill Clinton famously close to Epstein.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: You are close to someone and if they've commissioned a
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: painting of you dressed in a blue dress and hang
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: it in their New York townhouse, which was the case
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: with Bill Clinton. Jeffrey Epstein had a picture of Bill
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Clinton in a blue dress.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: He had a picture of.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: George Bush on the floor with aeroplanes. I think you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: in reference to nine to eleven small circle people were
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: very very close to each other, and so there was
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: a lot to lose by them releasing information to do
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: with Epstein. And I don't buy it when people are like, well,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Trump is playing whatever it is he's up to now
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: five to three DS, five DS, or I don't. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: just simply don't buy it because I go by the
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: actions of a person and I know that Margo is
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: absolutely desperate to believe that Trump is some sort of savior,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: but far from it. And all the American presidents sat
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: on the Epstein information, including Barack Obama, as I say,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: George Bush, Bill Clinton, and so that. Yeah, so they
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: had that phase one. It was absolutely pathetic. It was
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: all the kind of Margert influences, and they look stupid
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: because it was information that was already had long been
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: in the public domain, and a lot of it was
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: kind of redacted as well. It was just really stupid,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: pathetic stuff. But it was it was the show. It
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: was a performance. And so the Epstein files have been
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: very interesting. We've seen millions of documents that have been
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: released over a period of the month, and that is
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: due in part to the Epstein Transparency Act, which Thomas
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Massey for Massy has now been essentially booted out of
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: the American Parliament. And absolutely it's because he railed against this.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: And also I love with the fact that Kirby may
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: have a different take on events than I do. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I think that's also important because this is about gathering
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: knowledge and information. Again, as I say, I'm an outsider,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: but I've done as much research as I humanly could
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: in order to be able to understand what it was
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: that attracted these people to Jeffrey Epstein, someone who wasn't
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: put in my opinion, someone who wasn't particularly charismatic, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: yet all these people seem to love him, and you
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: had to wonder why. And so I think Trump's arrogance
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: has been astonishing, because first of all, he wanted to
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: wanted people to believe that there was nothing, there was
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: not an issue here. And I remember him attempting to
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: humiliate a reporter in the White House and the reporter
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: was asking about it, and Trump was like, we're still
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: talking about it, what about these other things that I've done.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: The reporter wanted to talk to Pam Bondi, and Trump
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: was not happy at all. He was like, you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: that's old it's always so there's no way, in my mind,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: my understanding I've had over thirty years as a journalist,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: people don't behave like that when they want to release information.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I don't care who they are. And it just seemed
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: absolutely ridiculous. So, yes, Epstein's connections are absolutely legendary. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think for a second that Trump tried to
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: help at all. I think he was eventually forced into
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: kind of fessing up to some of it. And even
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: then the files were problematic. So what we got was
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: million millions of documents, as I say, released over a
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: period of months, and they did things like they redacted
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: names of men involved, but they let the world see
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: the names of the alleged victims, stuff like that, and
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: it was like, what the hell is going on here?
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: And in those Epstein files's correspondence between Epstein and his friends,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: and you start to get a real understanding of how
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: deep some of his friendships were. I did a report
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: on Richard Branson and in it I looked into Branson's
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, Richard Branson is a perfect example.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Obviously multi millionaire, if not a billionaire, business owner started
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Virgin Records has An island not even that far from
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, but Branson's people wanted the world to believe that.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I think the first meeting that he had with Jeffrey
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Epstein was around twenty thirteen. I might have that year wrong,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: but it's thereabout. But in actuality, they had been meeting
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: for years before then, and Epstein had even taken girls
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: over to the island with him. But Richard Branson has
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: always done everything he can to create this whole idea
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: that he's like just a hippie, you know, just a
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: hippie happens to have been very fortunate with his businesses, etc.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: Etc.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: But we were starting to see a much darker and
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: deeper side, and so Branson's people, as I say, had
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: done everything they can to distance themselves. But those emails
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: between Epstein and Branson were really interesting and really revealing,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: and revealed quite a lot about the other people who
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: were involved as well, such as Peter Mandelson. There was
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: one email where Branson and Epstein were talking about how
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: they wanted to do this African project together, and it
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: all sounded really creepy, because once you start to know
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: the people involved, it is creepy. It sounds creepy. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: so they were all sort of teaming up together. They
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: were all taking care of each other. And I don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: care what Richard Branson and his people say. Richard Branson
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: was a close friend of Jeffrey Epstein, and Richard Branson
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: still has to account for why these women were taken
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: over to his island, why Richard Branson talked about the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: girls in email correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein's That's just one example,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: and the other stuff that was in the Epstein files
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: included FBI tip offs as one example, and lots of
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: people named. It's really important to acknowledge, as I've already said,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: as with the phone book, and that is just because
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: you're named in the Epstein files, it doesn't mean you're guilty.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: And I say that because I'm named four times in
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the Epstein files, and actually I believe that I'm named
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: for all the right reasons. And you go, well, how
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: can you be named for all the right reasons if
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: you're in the Epstein files. Well, actually, I'm in the
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Epstein files, and it's where they've got cuttings of me
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: talking about Andrew and Epstein being predators. And I think
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: if you're going to be in the Epstein files, then
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: it's a good thing to be in the Epstein files
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: talking about what a predator he was with his mates.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'm in there. And I'm also in
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: there because a man who is a survivor was to
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: approached me and had sent an email to to I
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: think the FBI saying if anything happens to me, then
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: talk to Sonya Potland. She knows. So again, I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: that these are good reasons to be in the Epstein file.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: So oddly enough, I have some pride in that. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I don't say that lightly because obviously, when you look
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: at it, and that's why I always found the first
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: phase of the Marga thing really and edifying, because when
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: you look at it, we're talking about really dark, horrible things.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: So it's not something that I'm like puffing at my
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: chest about. It's just like, if I'm going to be
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: named in there, let it be for these reasons, so
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: I can live with that. So there's lots of obviously
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: there's lots and lots of names in there, and that
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: includes lots of British people. And I think I'm coming now,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I'm coming kind of back round to where I started,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: and that was it was the crossover between what was
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: happening in America and what was happening in the UK
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and the people involved and have to look over the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: last year, it's been an incredible fallout of what's taken place.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: So Prince Andrew, the man formerly known as Prince Andrew,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: also formerly known as the Duke of York. Virginia Geffrey
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: had said that she was raped by Andrew on three
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: occasions I believe, one including a trip to London in
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: two thousand and one when she was seventeen. Now, the
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: reason that's not illegal in the UK is because the
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: age of consent in the UK is sixteen, but in
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: America that would be illegal, that would be rape. And
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: then Virginia said he also had sex with her in
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: New York and on Little Saint James Epstein's Ireland, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: she said that she was paid fifteen I think it
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: was fifteen thousand dollars as opposed to Stirling to have
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: sex with him at Glenn Maxwell's Mayfair property and flight
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: logs show that Andrew and Virginia Giffrey were in the
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: places that she alleges that this sex took place. Anyway,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: What we had was this extraordinary situation where the Queen
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of England became involved and we were told paid off
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Virginia Giffray and some of the money went to Virginia
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: and some of it was to go to her charity
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: for survivors. And the amounts varied, but it kind of
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: rests roughly at twelve million dollars. Now, I don't know
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: whether that's true or not, but we can be absolutely
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: certain that, however much money, it was the Queen that
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: not everybody, The Queen that many people considered to be
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: their grandmother, paid money to shut down these really important
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: disclosures about a international trafficking ring. That's what the queen did. Now.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I was never a fan of the queen, but when
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: you realize that, you're like, this is not okay. Almost
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: certainly came from taxpayer money as well. But none of
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: that was enough to say Andrew, of course, because over
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: the last year he's been supposedly cast out. He was
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: living very nice in Windsor Royal Lodge and now he's
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: been shoved off to Norfolk. But this is not He's
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: not been shoved off to a Council of State, right
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: this is still one of the royal properties. It's still
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: very very nice. Indeed, it's just that because William and Kate,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: they are so very keen to ascend the throne with
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: as little controversy as humanly possible, they need him out
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: of the picture. They need him out of the picture.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: He's currently under police investigation. I believe he's lost, as
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I say, his Prince and Duke of York titles and
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: all of It's very interesting, but obviously, very famously, there
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: was the image of Virginia defray and Andrew taken at
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Glen Maxwell's Mayfair property. And that was on the night
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: that Virginia said she went to a nightclub in Mayfair
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: with him, came back and then was paid to have
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: sex with him. And as I say, in America, that
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: would be raping in the UK, it wouldn't be as
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, it's still rape it it was
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a traffic victim. And so there was all that with Andrew,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: and then you start to realize that there was all
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: the stuff with Peter Manderson. Peter Manderson goes very deep
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: into the British establishment. Peter Mandelsson was a minister when
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: he was good friends with Jeffrey Epstein, very close to
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: the whole kind of new labor project with Tony Blair.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Peter Mandlsson is also currently under police investigation. Peter Manderson
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: was made UK ambassador to the US that's since been
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: taken from him, and when you look in even into
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: the details behind that, it's so incredibly grubby. He was
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: vetted and he didn't pass vetting, but they still gave
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: him the job, and it was a job that had
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: to be approved by Donald Trump. And what was it
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: that Peter Manderson and Donald Trump had in common. Jeffrey
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Epstein as one example, and you start to see how
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: this horrible it's a horrible web all links up together.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: And Peter Mandlsson very troubling individual. And both Peter Mandelsson
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: and at Prince Andrew are under investigation for the potential
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: that they were passing state secrets and information pertaining to
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: the UK to Jeffrey Epstein for him to use. That's troubling.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: That's a criminal act if proven to be the case.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: And there were other very influential British people who were
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: close to Epstein and Glen Maxwell as well. Claire Hazel
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: was one example. Claire Hazel became the Countess of Ivy
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: and she married Edward Guinness from the very famous Guinness family,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: the fourth Earl of Ivy in two thousand and one.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: And she was heavily linked to Epstein and Glen Maxwell.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Claire Hazel was on the kind of London society party
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: scene at the same time as Glen Maxwell. She was
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: almost certainly a woman that they were using for the
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: same purposes that they use other women. But of course
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: again she had that society kind of glow around her,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: as you know, as if her excrement didn't stink that
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: sort of thing. And we were told that she actually
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: died of brain cancer last year December twenty twenty five.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: She was only fifty one, and she died taken with
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: her a whole lot of secrets because she was also
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: involved with the UK children's charity, the NSPCC troubling stuff.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: And so again why were all these people linked to
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: this man and to Glenn Maxwell. And of course in
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: all of this we cannot forget the role of blackmail
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: of Israel, of the massade, and the US and the
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: UK are absolutely compromised in terms of Israel. And this
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: is another area that I've covered quite extensively over the
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: last year to do with the infiltration of the UK
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: at the hands of Israel. And there's long been evidence
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: of Epstein's connections to Israel and their secret services, the Mossad.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even sure why people still argue
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: about that, not least because of Robert Maxwell and his
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: associations with the Mossad. And there's been some brilliant books
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: written about this. And Epstein invested in Israeli businesses, security
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: businesses actually in fact, had lots of extensive dealings with it,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: and some people are like, how could this all have
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: worked together? Were really simple? First of all, Epstein had
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: installed concealed cameras in numerous places on all of his properties,
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: and many people acknowledged this. Maria Farmer, an artists who
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: worked for Epstein, also a victim. She noted that Epstein
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: showed her a media room in the New York mansion
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: where there were individual monitoring but kind of monitoring the
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: and there were pinhole cameras. That was one example. So,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: and this is where it's no different to what's been
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: going on in the UK. Because in the UK we
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: had lords who for many years were blackmail They were
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: pictured in very compromising situations, either with traffic victims, with
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: prostitutes or with young children, and they were filmed and
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: that was used against them. The comprom out. This has
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: been going on for a very long time. This isn't
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: anything new, and the whole operation links up, and so
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: the Epstein operation is expansive, it's worldwide. But two for
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: people like to conveniently ignore the role of Israel and
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: what was going on there. But I want to talk
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: about Virginia Giffray before I finish. And Virginia Giffray, we
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: were told, was found dead at her farm in April
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, and I did an extensive review into
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: her book. It broke my heart actually to read it
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: because Virginia and I always had I didn't know her
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: very well, but we'd had a bit of a not
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: a great relationship when she was live alive, and that
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: was in part because of some of the stuff that
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I'd heard about her, but also she kind of took
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: against me because of some of my friends online that
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: she was arguing with. And you know how the melly
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: kind of happens, where you often get swept up with
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: people who you're not necessarily involved with, but you get
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: kind of tired with the same brush. Anyway, when I
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: actually read her book after her death, I was heartbroken.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Clearly she'd had a very very troubled life. She made
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: very serious allegations about her father, about how she was,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of like a sort of towel girl
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: at Mara Lago at Trump's place, and that was when
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: she'd been picked up by galem Maxwell and Virginia Jeffrey. Really,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: I think touched my heart so deeply. I think there's
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: still a When she first died, I was like, absolutely,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: she has killed herself, no question about it. This woman
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: has had a great deal of hardship. She's been dealing
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: with what we heard was domestic violence. All of this incredible,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: very very powerful, horrible stuff we saw just weeks before
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: she had apparently taken her life, that she was all bruised,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: that she'd apparently been hit by a bus, all this horrible,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: horrible stuff, all question marks. But I don't know whether
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Virginia Jeffrey took her life. And I'm sure Kirby will
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: be able to again illuminate us there as well, because
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: what has come out over the last year is so
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: interesting and she's one of the main she would have
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: been one of the main witnesses to it, or the
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Epstein files release and everything. Her role would have taken
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: on a whole And she was already powerful. What she'd
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: done had already been incredibly powerful, as hard as it was,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: but with the Epstein files coming out into the public
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: domain and like mass knowledge of it, her role would
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: have been greatly amplified. So it would have served a
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: lot of people to get rid of her. So this
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: was a gatekeeping operation that took place of that. I
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: mean no doubt whatsoever. I don't believe that the truth,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: the full truth, has yet come out, and because obviously
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: the focus has been on apparently teenage girls giving sages,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: and we know there was so much more to it
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: than that. And I think, really what I want to
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: finish by saying is that we've not heard half the story.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: There's all the stuff that apparently went on at Zoro Ranch,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: and we know that they've been that the police have
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: been in there investigating and looking for bodies. We've been
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: told lots right about organs being harvested, about cloning. We
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: know that Epstein was a transhumanist, and over the years
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I heard many, many dark things about Epstein. Of course
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not able to evidence them. I simply can't. But
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: we do know that he was deranged, and we've seen
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: plenty of information in the Epstein files, such as, for example,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: pertaining to torture that took place in front of and
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: involving Prince Andrew allegedly. So this stuff is out there,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: and so they had every reason to get rid of Virginya,
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: whether she took her own life or not. And I
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: can see why because when I first said no, I
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: absolutely believe she's taken her own life, people really came
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: out against me saying no way, no way, But either way,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: rest in peace, Virginia. She was a very strong voice.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: She did everything she could to amplify and put a
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: spotlight on this cabal, and I think that it's our
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: job as observers and witnesses to continue that until we
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: get the full truth. So that's kind of what I
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: wanted to say, really.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: So, we have several people who have joined us online
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: as well as in person and Edinburgh. So those of
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you on mind, if you would like to ask questions
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: or it may comments, please either type them into the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: zoom chat or feel free to unmute yourself and ask
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: questions as well as I see. We have several people
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: up in the pub in Edinburgh, so if anyone would
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: like to start, I certainly have several but I won't
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: take up all of the time for everyone. So if
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: anyone would like to start, please go ahead.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Thanks Sonya. We know that I've had to wrate this down.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: We know that most of.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: The heir very adapted sections, often re reading fails, often
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: get geek keeps under the gales of national security.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: Well, those of us who have been looking deeply into this.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: For many years and we realize that this basically goes
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: beyond blackmail and is very elite esoteremic, occultish spiritual warfare.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: And do you feel that that is what they're going
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: to try so hard to keep closed off from all
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: of us because that they're not ready for that. A
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: lot of people are not ready for the spiritual side
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: of them. But I feel that it's a huge part
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: of the Epstein fields, Epstein failed Sudy.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: What do you feel about that?
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I agree with you. I don't actually have
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: any great evidence to support that other than what people
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: have told me, but I think that that's always been
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: a taboo area of it. So no, I agree with you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: So I mean that the reality is and you know this,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: I've always said that they've given us the lightest story
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: possible to do with Epstein, It's always been apparently about
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: young teenage girls who are getting given I don I
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: can't remember now, two hundred dollars away whatever a pop
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: to massage him. And on the surface it sounds like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: oh like, it's not nice and it's a bit seedy,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: but it's not huge, it's not so problematic for society.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: So I've always felt that it was a gatekeeping operation anyway.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: So I'm in I'm almost in no doubt whatsoever that
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: what you're saying is accurate and true, which is why
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I wanted to very briefly reflect on what has gone
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: on at Zoro Ranch, because we've heard so much there
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: about cloning. We know he was interested in transhumanism. Now
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I come from a spiritual background, them was the medium.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I have some understanding of this world, and you know
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: the light and dark sides of it as well, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's almost impossible that they weren't linked up
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: by something else other than, like you said, other than blackmail. Right,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: there was other stuff going on, because you only have
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: to look at human nature, and that is you don't
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: you don't want to spend time with people who you
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: find pugnant. Okay, so birds of a feather do indeed
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: fly together in these sort of situations, which is why
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I found it fascical that somebody like Richard Branson has
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: done everything that he possibly could to distance himself when
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: the truth was they were actually very close and women
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: were taken to his island as one example. And we
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: do get brief glimpses, don't we in the files? You know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I talked about the alleged torture that was apparently taking place,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: and I don't know whether it was at Windsor Castle.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: I think it was in Windsor or As around that area.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: So we get brief glimpses, but it's almost impossible for
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: us really. Obviously, as a journalist, I work with evidence
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: as much as possible, but that doesn't mean I don't
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: allow for the more esoteric. And I think that in
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: a situation like this we must do. We have to
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: because these people are not like us. I often say this,
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: These people are clearly not like us. They have different morals.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: You only have to look at Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's former
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: wife might as well still be his wife. But you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: the fact is, and when she was talking in correspondence
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: to Epstein about her own daughters, you know, and about
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: their youth and everything. So you know, these people are
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: not like us. They will go to lengths that are
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: not like us, and that may well involve demonic entities.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: It may well involve Satanism and all those other areas.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: But whether I have proof or I simply don't now,
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: it could be if you ask Kirby this, she'll be
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: able to tell you stuff that I don't know, because,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: as I say, I work with things that I can
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: fact check, because that's the way that I make sense
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: of the world. But I also allow for the fact
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: that when it comes to these these are dark entities.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: We know that they're dark entries. You need have to
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: look at some of the symbology that you see in
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: the Epstein files, some of the symbology that he had
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: around him in his office, as one example, and that
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: actually leads me to another thing just to say, and
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: that is the amount of people, the sheer volume of
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: people who knew what Epstein was about and did absolutely
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: nothing about. It also tells me that there was they
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: were complicit in something else which was deeper and darker
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: than a few girls giving massages. Right, So I don't
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: know if that's a complete answer, But do ask Kirby
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: the same question, because I think you'll find she's probably
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: got more to add to that than I have.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Prabe, did you have anything to add?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you do.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of as Sonia so aptly put it,
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: there is a lot of sort of there are symbols
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: on Little Saint James that I think everyone has seen.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: Oh what I want to say is that, like Sonia,
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I don't speculate, I have heard from victims because this
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: so called Epstein ring, as I will be explaining further
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: when it's my time to speak to the audience, extends
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: beyond just Epstein. It existed before Epstein, it continues to
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: present day. But I find interesting, and Sonya, I'm going
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: to share this while you're on because while you mentioned Wasade,
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: you know there's plenty of evidence that CIA was involved,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: that Russia was also involved, and we have to remember that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Leslie Wessner, as you, I'm so happy you brought him
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: up and you spoke about him the CEO of Limited Brands.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Later we branded as l Brands because his involvement with
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein and giving him that power of attorney that
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: gave him that access to billions of dollars. Well, my
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: abuser was his father was they were partners, So I
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: know that.
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: Situation very well.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: However, so that Wesner's people come from Russia, Okay, Epstein's
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: people come from Russia. We know that even Robert Maxwell
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: did some work for Russia. So that when we go
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: and we start looking at the symbology, there's something called
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: and you guys, you just shouted out if you've heard
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: this before, there's something called the Virgina Sun. Does anybody
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: know that term? Okay, I'm gonna tell you what it is.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: It is, and I'm gonna spell it for you. It's
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: V E R G I and a son. Now, what's
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: interesting about this is that it is also found on
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: the logo of the Cia, and it's an ancient sign.
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: Back from the days of the Macedonian royal family.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: Now it was found on Epstein's island, found on the
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: logo of the Cia, so that there there's always been
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: with CIA and with Masade, with m I six, with
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: all of these intelligence agencies, and then going back we
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: go to the UK and we go to Elizabeth the
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: First right and her connection with John Ded the Magician,
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: the Mystic Right. So, and I have that in one
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: of my books, Jeffrey Epstein Predator Spy, I've authored Believe
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: it or not, people, I won't fall over when I
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: say this, but I might. I have written twenty four books.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: So one of those books is Jeffrey Epstein Predator Spy.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: And I do delve into Queen Elizabeth the First her
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: relationship with John d the Magician, and why that's so important,
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: and it carries through all of everything that we're studying.
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: But it's not so for example, it's not just Epstein.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: So if you see that is called the Vagina Sun.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: And if you look at the CIA's logo, now they've
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: had various logo changes throughout the years, but it is
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: on the logo. It's also on Epstein's Island. So there's
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: there's like this connection to intelligence and magic, to the past,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: to the present because.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: It has mended. Guys, Johny and I are in for
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: a very long battle.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: It's it's incredibly hard. But you've also just reminded me
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: of something which which sort of follows on from what
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Zoe has asked as well, and that is to do
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: with obviously the queens and Queen Elizabeth the Ion famously
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: obviously was made a druid, and Fiona Barna has talked
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: about this very extensively. And again, obviously this is a
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: woman who was said to have given twelve million pounds
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: to shut down these these rumors, these allegations, and so
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: the royal family are in thick with all of this stuff.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, and yes you are. I agree with you.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Kirby Russia as well, and Robert Maxwell and those associations there.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: This is, this is a global thing, isn't it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: Yes, it is, it is.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: But Kirby, I just want to ask you some things again.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: I think this this lays into it. Do you feel
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: that we've we even know half of what has really
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: taken place?
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: No, And that's actually the reason I'm here, primarily because
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: I think that Epstein has become the poster boy of
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: a political blackmle operation that again is connected to several
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: intelligence agencies. He is now the via all and end all,
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: just like savile wasn't you know. I mean, they're all
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: connected there, They're part of the same thing. I think that, uh,
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: mainstream media has done a very good job in controlling
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: the narrative and keeping it keppt at Epstein died on
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: this day. Therefore we are now investigating. But to your point,
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: and if I might just add this, Sona, because it's
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: on my mind right now, when you talked about the
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: fact that, yeah, the Congress, you know, they're doing X,
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: Y and Z here in the United States, but they've
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: sort of, you know, done some things with the documents
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: and so on and so forth. What I want to
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: say is that while they have redacted and they should
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: never have readapted the names and the faces and even
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: the new bodies of the men, they did not do
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: the same for the victims. Yeah, until we are thirteen,
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: sometimes are thirteen, Okay. Now, I feel that it's an
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: intentional Yeah, now, I don't think it's a mistake.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: What do you think, Sonia, Do you think it was
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: a mistake.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: I think it was a message, a shot across the
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: bat for people to shut the f up. That's what
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: I think it was. I think it was a threat.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: You don't they don't make those sort of intentional mistakes. Like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: it's just ridiculous the idea that we're expected to believe
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: that these politicians and the Attorney General they released this
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: and made these sort of mistakes. No, absolutely not they.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: I think that was absolutely deliberate. But also it sends
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: us a message that these people will remain protected. Right,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: so not just we'll go after the people who are
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: making the allegations, but we will also protect the ones
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: that the allegations are made against. So I thought it
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: was very dark and it was very sinister. So yeah,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: I agree, absolutely, I agree. I think it's going to
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: be so good to hear what you have to say later.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: So yeah, is there another question that we should move
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: on to?
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Yees?
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: So we've got a few that have come in online,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: but just to come and do that, which kind of
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: leads into the sixt question from David that I'm going
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: to read off in just a minute. It's just it
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: was my impression when there was the first the big
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: dump that happened a few months ago, that that was
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: entirely intentional, that there was like this. To me, from
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: my own perspective of my own journalism, it was like
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: this information overload where you just dump things down to
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: people and then the mainstream media could pick and choose
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and think, oh look at this, Oh look over year,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: oh look over here. And in the meantime there's all
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: these things that you two are exposing. But it was
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: too much for any one person to figure out or
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: anything that the mainstream media would have taken the time
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: to actually properly investigate. That was just what I saw
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: I think that's a really important, actually thing to acknowledge
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: because it could have been so much. There were people,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: independent people who were creating their own files for people
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: to access, and it should never have got to that.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: And there is a sense of overwhelm. But there's also
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: a sense when some people when they saw them, was
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: like I can't face this, I can't take this. All
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: too horrible, is all too dark. So again I think
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: it was stage managed. It was handled in a certain
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: way in order to be able to reveal as little
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: as possible while making the public think that they were
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: getting full transparency. So again I think it was another tactic,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: another trick that was played on us. And I do
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: want to just go back to what Kirby said, and
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: that was what is happening existed before Epstein and it's
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: still existing now. There's this whole idea that has all
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: suddenly stopped. No, it's not. And I think that's why
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: I kind of do what I do, not necessarily to
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: go over history, although it's important to know what went
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: on in history in order to be able to change
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: the present, but also to alert to the fact that
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: there are still incredibly vulnerable people who are being abused,
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: and we all think that this is all belonging to
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: some kind of historic cabal, and I think that is
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: a danger. So I'm really glad that Kirby brought that
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  Speaker 4: point up.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, so that the next question, as I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: said from David, is this solution just material distracting us
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  Speaker 1: from the possibility. And do you think that this is
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: the case that Epstein and his associates were making money
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  Speaker 1: from currency manipulation?
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  Speaker 4: From what manipulation?
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Currency manipulation?
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  Speaker 4: Oh ooh, Kirby, can I bring you in on this?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: This is really interesting because you have also an understanding
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  Speaker 4: about the financial side and what was taking place there
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  Speaker 4: in the money men as well. How would you answer that, Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'll give.
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  Speaker 6: You an example.
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  Speaker 5: One of the there are victims. By the way, you
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: mentioned Maria Farmer who called the FBI.
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  Speaker 6: She was never raped.
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  Speaker 5: She was held against your will while on Westge estate.
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  Speaker 5: So there are some victims as youngest twelve from thirteen
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: fourteen who were raped. Now the sister of one who
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: has been you have to be authorized a victim, you know.
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  Speaker 5: That's how they get money from the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund,
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  Speaker 5: And that is the sort of the way that they
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: are presented to the public. Although there are many people
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: who are victims, real victims, who have not been allowed
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: to even participate. However, the sister of one of these victims,
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: and I wrote an article about it, is on my
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: substat who was taught purchasing stock and reselling and being
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: part of it pretty extensive stock fraud. Now for her
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: to have done this without the help of her sister's
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  Speaker 5: involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, Gilenn Maxwell and the group was
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: a little difficult to me to believe. Hence the reason
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: I wrote the article included her name.
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  Speaker 6: I've not seen mainstream talk about things like that.
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  Speaker 5: We do know for sure that Epstein is very connected
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  Speaker 5: to the crash in two thousand and eight the housing
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: market crash in two thousand and eight, so that we
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: know previous to that that he was part of a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: Ponzi scheme before, during the time that he started getting
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: involved with Leslie Wester, he was also involved with Stephen Poffenberg,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: who had something called Towers Financial. Later it was discovered
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: that Towers was nothing but a ponnte scheme considered to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: be the largest of its kind before Bernie Madeoff was.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: And everybody's heard about Bernie Madoff, right, And okay, so
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  Speaker 5: it is from my advantage from because I've been studying
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: this not since Epstein was arrested, but decades previous, because
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  Speaker 5: I am a victim of one of these men. And
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: by the way, the harassment never ends. Hence why the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: committee does not redact, because we continue to be harassed
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  Speaker 5: to present day. Why I'm not showing my face, but
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: rather a photo of me will appear when it's my
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: turn to speak. However, Towers Financial, I believe was very
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: much part of what the made Off Fontie scheme will
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: one day be exposed to be, and that is connected
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: to covert operations to fund covert operations, which is also
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: what the so called trafficking ring that appeared before Epstein,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: which was Franklin. It's called the Franklin Scandal, the Franklin
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: cover up, the Franklin's.
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  Speaker 6: It happened in.
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  Speaker 5: Omaha, Nebraska, but it also had tentacles everywhere, and we
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: have overlapping characters.
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  Speaker 6: But some of the money from these.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: Trafficking rings that include children, boys, I'll be talking about
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: boys as well. That money from these Panti schemes. And
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: I'm using quotes over that because it's not like one
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: person decided.
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  Speaker 6: To create a Ponti scheme.
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  Speaker 5: That money e then is bunneled up into these COVID operations.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry, Kirby, thanks for that.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot of questions coming in, so if
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: you can save any thoughts on that for the second
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: part of Q and A, we'll have plenty of time
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: later as well, if that's all right.
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  Speaker 4: Cool. And So it was David, I think who asked
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: that question, and I think so, I think it's possible
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: that there are operations operating in tandem. David, I think
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: that was the reality that clearly money was something that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: banned them together. It was he attracted money men, but
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: also people like this and I've met many of them,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: having been a music and entertainment journalist previously. But people
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: who become incredibly powerful, they have to often in order
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: to be able to get the kind of kicks, the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: highs that they require, they do stuff that is not
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: acceptable to the rest of society. So I think all
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: of these things bound them all together. So that's kind
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: of my understanding of it so far. And obviously the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: thing about intelligence and understanding is that it can always
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: change subject to new information, which is why I think
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: something like this is really really useful because I'm already learning.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: I'm already learning from Kirby. As I say, I entered
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: this as a journalist. Let me look at the facts.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: What can I prove? And then you start to realize
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: it's a much bigger animal than you could possibly have imagined. Right, Sorry, Diane,
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  Speaker 4: back to you.
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  Speaker 2: That's all right.
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  Speaker 1: We've got lots of questions coming in online, but I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: also want to get see if there's any other questions
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: in the room, So maybe one or two before we break,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: if that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Back to you, Matthew, anyone here, no questions, okay, just
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: go to online. Okay.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: So this is a question from Joanne Sonya. She's wondering
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: if you have any information or I guess Kirby as well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kathy O'Brien who stated she was trafficked to many
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: presidents in the US.
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  Speaker 4: I've never interviewed Kathy O'Brien, Kirby, do you know, Kathy.
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  Speaker 5: She and I have followed each other for a number
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: of years. Now I get conflicting information. Say, I have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: not personally spoken with Kathy O'Brien. I have spoken clearly
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: with the woman you mentioned, and I'll just keep ringing.
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  Speaker 4: I own him on it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, she and I have become friends friendly. I think it's.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's it has been said to me repeatedly by
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: different people that perhaps, and you know, not to disparage,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: and I could be cooked completely wrong, you know, I'm
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: just repeating what I've been told. That her story came
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: in to suppress another story. And I'm trying to remember
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: the woman's name, Bryce Taylor, to suppress Bryce Taylor's thanks
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: for the memory. So she wrote a book. Ah, And
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: I was told that Kathy was pushed forward in order
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: to suppress and her real name was Susan Ford. So Kathy,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: so Bryce Taylor, thanks for the memory. She was trafficked
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: to the president's bob Hole to a lot of very
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: famous people, just like we're seeing here with Jeffrey Epstein
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: and as we saw in the Franklin scandal. So I
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: can't really say the confidence much about.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: Say yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And it's very difficult, isn't it. Because we hear about
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: these different alleged victims, alleged survivors, and some of them
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: have more credibility than others. Some of them say stuff
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: that you can't is almost impossible to process. The Fiona Barnett,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: who I've interviewed and talked to and I've found her
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: in many respects an absolutely plausible individual, but the stuff
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: that she's saying is almost too much for the world
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: to accept. And I think that's also part of the problem.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: In answer to the question, is that some of the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: stuff that some of these people have witnessed, because we're
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: not like that, we've not been there, we've not been
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: subject to it, it's really difficult to acknowledge that this
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: could even be possible, which also goes back to what
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: Zoe is saying as well, and is again, if you're
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: not that way inclined, it's really difficult to imagine that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: there are people like that. But there are wicked, evil,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: dark satanic people out there, and there's no reason to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: believe that they aren't also part of this extended network
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: as well. But I'm sorry. No, I've not talked to Kathy,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: so I can't give you any a fuller answer than that.